https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmtAZ7DPHNI&t=109s

What an idiot. She has no idea.

The Gas companies acted disgracefully but they did it when nobody was home. How would guns have helped?

Did they mention Karen's surname?

She is right

When people have guns they have power - and will not be pushed around

Without guns they can be pushed around - and that is not freedom

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 8:35am:

She is right When people have guns they have power - and will not be pushed around Without guns they can be pushed around - and that is not freedom

Yet in the country of the gun 100 people are killed a day. Not a lot of freedom in being dead.

Guns kill 40 people a day

Junk Food kills 800 people a day

Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day

Cars kill 117 a day

But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns

Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you

you are a dead set moron ::)

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you

In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month.

The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year.

While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate.

So what?

Freedom has a price.

Junk Food kills 800 a day

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Freedom has a price.

that price is 'no guns'

so go suck on an egg you moron

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/MfjrdPtKbodUe7uyVAZAmR6gcgg=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/guns-marriage-vaginas-58b8cdc43df78c353c216c72.jpg

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John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron

Freedom is protected by guns

With guns you are a Citizen - without them you are a slave

Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens

Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:24am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron Freedom is protected by guns With guns you are a Citizen - without them you are a slave Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron

I'm more free than anyone in America, and I don't need a gun to do it. You need to stop drinking the cool aid

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zvn_6hBJL2ceViKIjI04JtU_H9s=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg

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John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 11:35am:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:32am: John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:24am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron Freedom is protected by guns With guns you are a Citizen - without them you are a slave Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron I'm more free than anyone in America, and I don't need a gun to do it. You need to stop drinking the cool aid

A war is coming - you will need a gun

Jill Meagher needed a gun

Labor and the Greens are taking away our freedom

Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron

Citizens should not be afraid of the Government - Government should be afraid of the people

Guns kill 40 people a day

Junk Food kills 800 people a day

Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day

Cars kill 117 a day

But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day

SPOT ON!!! @Boris https://imgur.com/Vsl4YDj.gif

Freedom has a price, & unfortunately some will have to pay it.

Shydt happens.....it's an unfortunate fact of life.

In the end we Americans know Freedom & Liberty is worth the price!

Besides, guns save far more lives than take life. https://imgur.com/3m8TicF.gif https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif https://imgur.com/8HaR1LB.gif

John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you you are a dead set moron ::)

Coming from someone who can only muster the mental power to just type "You're a moron" every time. Even if Boris is wrong, at least he can type up something more interesting than what you've ever managed to think up.
*John Smith walks around his house talking to his painted walls "You're a moron and you hallway walls, you are morons too."

If Australian citizens had guns - they couldn't be enslaved to be conscripted to fight corrupt wars for Oil or some other pathetic excuse like politics and religion.
Simon Townsend wouldn't have been man-handled away to be raped in prison and bashed for not obliging their slavery.
Brian would be upset in not getting his troop of slaves to do his dying for him in 'his' war.

If someone breaks into your home and you clobber them with a length of wood - you get charged, not the burglar, in Australia.

Even with Australia's hardline on citizens having guns. There is more illegal guns in possession of grubs than there was during John Howard's wank to get rid of them.
The fact that the Government is failing to allow guns falling into the hands of people who intend harm on others for crime show's that Australian citizens need to arm themselves for their own protection.

I would gladly do time in prison for killing some hostile intruder into my personal space with intent for harm. Wouldn't think twice. It's amazing what I can do armed with a Spoon.  ;)

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day

Every other country with freedom likely more freedom does not have this issue. How are you experiencing freedom when you are frightened to send your child to school. In the US guns make nobody free.

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 11:52am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:35am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:32am: John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:24am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron Freedom is protected by guns With guns you are a Citizen - without them you are a slave Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron I'm more free than anyone in America, and I don't need a gun to do it. You need to stop drinking the cool aid A war is coming - you will need a gun Jill Meagher needed a gun Labor and the Greens are taking away our freedom Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks and sent for extermination you moron Citizens should not be afraid of the Government - Government should be afraid of the people

The only war coming is the one you are having with your sanity

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:03pm:

If Australian citizens had guns - they couldn't be enslaved to be conscripted to fight corrupt wars for Oil or some other pathetic excuse like politics and religion. Simon Townsend wouldn't have been man-handled away to be raped in prison and bashed for not obliging their slavery. Brian would be upset in not getting his troop of slaves to do his dying for him in 'his' war. If someone breaks into your home and you clobber them with a length of wood - you get charged, not the burglar, in Australia. Even with Australia's hardline on citizens having guns. There is more illegal guns in possession of grubs than there was during John Howard's wank to get rid of them. The fact that the Government is failing to allow guns falling into the hands of people who intend harm on others for crime show's that Australian citizens need to arm themselves for their own protection. I would gladly do time in prison for killing some hostile intruder into my personal space with intent for harm. Wouldn't think twice. It's amazing what I can do armed with a Spoon.  ;)

Quote:

they couldn't be enslaved to be conscripted to fight corrupt wars for Oil or some other pathetic excuse like politics and religion.

The US had all the guns they wanted and were still conscripted ?  FAIL.

Please try again.

If the law says you go into the army - you go

top ten countries in the 'freedom' rankings

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Human Freedom Indexes (2021):
Switzerland — 9.11
New Zealand — 9.01
Denmark — 8.98
Estonia — 8.91
Ireland — 8.90
Canada — 8.85
Finland — 8.85
Australia — 8.84
Sweden — 8.83
Luxembourg — 8.80



even with all it's guns, the US can't even make the top ten  :D :D :D :D

to many Americans have gotten rich selling cooolaid to that countries mental midgets ... now they're trying to export it to people like Boris :D

New Zealand is not free

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

New Zealand is not free

you're not sane.

John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:41pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:40pm: New Zealand is not free you're not sane.

That is a self evident truth.

amor fati

Nazi Germany and Japan were defeated by good men with guns.

Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens

I always laugh when someone heralds the country with the highest incarceration rate in the world as an example of a free country :D :D :D

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:50pm:

Nazi Germany and Japan were defeated by good men with guns. Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens

how many US soldiers that helped defeat the nazis bought their private guns with them to Europe?

your argument is as dumb as you are

John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron

Go back ta sniffin' your own panties......girlie

We Americans will never ever give up our Constitutional Right to Keep & Bear Arms, regardless  the of the number of lives criminals may take by using firearms illegally.....period!

https://imgur.com/LfHC5l3.png

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:37pm:

If the law says you go into the army - you go

I would have more fun in a prison than being enslaved by the ADF to fight for a 'privatised' and pro-Italian (see Asimov's The Fall of Rome aka Foundation comment on American Politics) anti-British, USA nation.

There is no honour in War. No honour when you can't even look your enemy in the eyes anymore. No honour - War is Racism.

Real Green Military should be protecting the Animals of this world from extinction, more than protecting the Monsters of Politics, Religion and War-Mongering for technological superiority.

Ever wonder why the ADF has the highest ratio of 'mental health' problems in all the industries?
It's because they're all a bunch of nutters in the first place thinking they are either British or American or 300 Spartans.  ;D
The ADF has been labelled by overseas nations as the 'Boutique' Military - because the top brass are all Gay and the lowest ranks are all grub Rednecks.
No thanks. I can think of a better way to be an Australian than selling my soul for the most insane existence on this planet. There is no honour in Military. Even the Americans raped, pillaged and plundered across Europe just behind the Nazis and Russians.


I would fight for the Animals as a Ranger though.

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The actual RIGHT of The People contained in the Second Amendment, which SCOTUS found does not depend on membership in any organization......government or otherwise.....it's an Individual Right of The People.


Quote:

The U.S. Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

John Smith wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 1:53pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:50pm: Nazi Germany and Japan were defeated by good men with guns. Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens how many US soldiers that helped defeat the nazis bought their private guns with them to Europe? your argument is as dumb as you are

They grew up using guns and needed guns to feed families so they knew how to shoot when they got there.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:42pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:37pm: If the law says you go into the army - you go I would have more fun in a prison than being enslaved by the ADF to fight for a 'privatised' and pro-Italian (see Asimov's The Fall of Rome aka Foundation comment on American Politics) anti-British, USA nation. There is no honour in War. No honour when you can't even look your enemy in the eyes anymore. No honour - War is Racism. Real Green Military should be protecting the Animals of this world from extinction, more than protecting the Monsters of Politics, Religion and War-Mongering for technological superiority. Ever wonder why the ADF has the highest ratio of 'mental health' problems in all the industries? It's because they're all a bunch of nutters in the first place thinking they are either British or American or 300 Spartans.  ;D The ADF has been labelled by overseas nations as the 'Boutique' Military - because the top brass are all Gay and the lowest ranks are all grub Rednecks. No thanks. I can think of a better way to be an Australian than selling my soul for the most insane existence on this planet. There is no honour in Military. Even the Americans raped, pillaged and plundered across Europe just behind the Nazis and Russians. I would fight for the Animals as a Ranger though.

Do you like what the Japanese did in Nanking and everywhere they went?

Just like the Moslems want a French sacrifice to die for their 'empire' sins.

The american people want a Democrat sacrifice to die for their 'armed' sins.

When both get their 'sacrifice' - only then will both drop 'the weapon'.  ;)

There is no escape from this. The Nazi 'redneck' (aka Confederate) phase is over. Now it is the French 'Gay' (aka Democrat) phase in progress.  ;)

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:42pm: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:37pm: If the law says you go into the army - you go I would have more fun in a prison than being enslaved by the ADF to fight for a 'privatised' and pro-Italian (see Asimov's The Fall of Rome aka Foundation comment on American Politics) anti-British, USA nation. There is no honour in War. No honour when you can't even look your enemy in the eyes anymore. No honour - War is Racism. Real Green Military should be protecting the Animals of this world from extinction, more than protecting the Monsters of Politics, Religion and War-Mongering for technological superiority. Ever wonder why the ADF has the highest ratio of 'mental health' problems in all the industries? It's because they're all a bunch of nutters in the first place thinking they are either British or American or 300 Spartans.  ;D The ADF has been labelled by overseas nations as the 'Boutique' Military - because the top brass are all Gay and the lowest ranks are all grub Rednecks. No thanks. I can think of a better way to be an Australian than selling my soul for the most insane existence on this planet. There is no honour in Military. Even the Americans raped, pillaged and plundered across Europe just behind the Nazis and Russians. I would fight for the Animals as a Ranger though. Do you like what the Japanese did in Nanking and everywhere they went?

I really couldn't give a rats arse what countries do to each other out of 'fear' and 'power' through the Military excuse.

Ramses II defeated his enemies by ART.
As did the Minoans.
The Arabs defeated the Mongols through superior Trade after opening their gates and welcoming them in without a fight.

I'm saying. If soldier boys like Brian want to go fight their glory wars for Political, Religious and Military 'Power' reasons - then fine. But they should not force other people to fight their battles for them.
Pathetic is a Military that relies on non-military people to do their fighting for them.

I'm in Australia for a reason, like millions many more.
And it isn't for Military reasons - that's a poor man's game in this part of the world.
I very much doubt 'Union' rights come into effect for those 'drafted'. Maybe they should call draftees as 'Scabs', no?
Ironic huh.

Simon Townsend was right. Vietnam was not a justified and good cause. America should stay out of Asia - no wonder North Korea is paranoid of being invaded again.
Imagine being drafted for the 'weapons of mass destruction' BS Iraqi/Desert Storm Wars... being killed by an unseen enemy just for friggin oil.  ::)

Panther wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:24am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Freedom has a price. that price is 'no guns' so go suck on an egg you moron [size=14][font=Georgia][i]Go back ta sniffin' your own panties......girlie

Because I'm opposed to seeing kids shoot each other I'm not a man like you?  :D :D

You Americans are buggered in the head. All you do is talk big ... newsflash, you're not as good as you think you are. A little country like Australia outranks you in every measurement except number of guns deaths, incarceration rates, and the size of the economy. But don't worry, a few more years and the Chinese will take care of your economy. Then you'll only be world leaders in shooting each other or locking each other up

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:53pm: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:50pm: Nazi Germany and Japan were defeated by good men with guns. Venezuela went door to do collecting all guns - now it murders it's own Citizens how many US soldiers that helped defeat the nazis bought their private guns with them to Europe? your argument is as dumb as you are They grew up using guns and needed guns to feed families so they knew how to shoot when they got there.

I know that you found it difficult, but for most people it's not that difficult a skill to learn to fire a gun

Let's take Brian (of the ADF) for example of how stupid the Military is.

He tells Panther and Morty that 'people' shouldn't have guns.

But welcomes the enslavement of Draftees for the Australian Defence Force (like Vietnam) so 'non-military' people can be given a gun and serve under him with his new Military promotion.

He doesn't want them armed for their own 'ammendment' accord, but will arm them as 'slaves' for his military agenda. ::)

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Treat an animal as a friend and not a captive pet and not with abuse to make it fear you - and it will fight for you willingly.

The Militaries of the world prefer the latter two and hence why they need to enslave other people's to fight for them - with fear of execution and with punishment.

History has shown that Men (and women) who fight with Choice and the Freedom to make that choice, fight better than Men who are of the latter two.

This silly woman, Katie Hopkins is an acknowledged moron, who
as a self-described commentator on all things American wouldn't
actually know if her arse was on fire until she smelt smoke!

The Guardian, HuffPost, and MTV have described Hopkins  as a
"professional troll".

Hopkins is a rabid right-winger, and strong GOP and Trump supporter.
On 19 July 2021 she was deported from Australia for violating the
conditions of her visitor visa—supported by both Labor and the Liberals.

In February 2016, Hopkins underwent surgery in which a portion of her
brain was removed to relieve the severity of her epilepsy.  It could be
that this has inadvertently caused the apparent decline of her other mental
faculties.       Maybe they took took too much of her brain LOL.

And as for Boris promoting the 2nd Amendment, we should just laugh
at the habitual ignorance he displays on most other topics as well. 

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

In February 2016, Hopkins underwent surgery in which a portion of her brain was removed

no wonder she appeals to Boris

Panther wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:15pm: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The actual RIGHT of The People contained in the Second Amendment, which SCOTUS found does not depend on membership in any organization......government or otherwise.....it's an Individual Right of The People. Quote: The U.S. Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

It's actually quite comical that whenever the 2nd Amendment, or gun
rights are mentioned here, poor old Panther is triggered. (is that a pun?)

He seems to think that oversized, fancy coloured fonts somehow
adds import to his comments, when in actuality it simply makes him
look like a 6th grade schoolkid LOL.    Sad really.

He also clings to the NRA/GOP myth that having a gun in the home
—purportedly for something called "self defence"—will protect homeowners.
This of course has never even been indicated with any viable statistics that
support this claim.


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Most American gun owners say they own firearms to protect themselves and their loved ones, but a study published last year suggests people who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home. “We found zero evidence of any kind of protective effects” from living in a home with a handgun, said professor David Studdert, a Stanford University researcher who was the lead author of the Annals of Internal Medicine study.  The study followed nearly 600,000 Californians between October 2004 and December 2016.

—The Guardian, 9 June 2022.

As the Democrats are only in power for themselves and Political people... oh, and the Media-Mafia. Trump has proved that their Politics is not for the 'people' at large.
Even though the 'people' voted NO for Brexit, the British Political 'Establishment' ignored it and exited anyway.

What if the Democrats want to go War Mongering in another country for some stupid reason of their own device and expected to 'draft' civilians to die for their Oil or whatever cash-cow went into their pockets - what if the 'People' refused to be drafted into their shonky War?
Would the American Democrat Government call them 'un-American', traitors, etc and then 'use brute force' and punishment?
What if the People of the America raised their guns and said "Back off Biden" we ain't gonna fight for your Dementia?

Boris wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day

You cannot murder a classroom of children with a hamburger....Dickhead!!!

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American kids need more guns.
Will sort the toughest from the weakest.
Only the best armed kids will survive.

Australians just don't want to accept 'death',
in order to 'live'.

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zvn_6hBJL2ceViKIjI04JtU_H9s=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg

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Zardoz speaketh: The Gun is Power

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

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There is nothing more effective at turning off the lights as an AR15.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:38pm: https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zvn_6hBJL2ceViKIjI04JtU_H9s=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg ::) ::) There is nothing more effective at turning off the lights as an AR15.

Actually, I'd have suggested a shotgun would be more effective, if there isn't any access to the light switch...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:38pm: https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/zvn_6hBJL2ceViKIjI04JtU_H9s=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg ::) ::) There is nothing more effective at turning off the lights as an AR15. Actually, I'd have suggested a shotgun would be more effective, if the isn't any access to the light switch...  ::) ::)

The only difference is the size of the sky light.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 7:14pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day You cannot murder a classroom of children with a hamburger....Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::)

The death rate per day is around 40 if you take suicides out of the equation - they will use other means if they have to - so 40 a day compared to 800 a day die from Junk Food because it is toxic and addictive.

Anti-gun nutters hate guns but take their kids for burgers and coke

There is no reasoning with idiots Dickhead

When are you migrating, Matty?  You obviously are unhappy in God Own country.  You'd be much happier in the US where you won't be bothered by  all the "leftists" and will be allowed to have a gun.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 9:53am:

When are you migrating, Matty?  You obviously are unhappy in God Own country.  You'd be much happier in the US where you won't be bothered by  all the "leftists" and will be allowed to have a gun.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Human Rights and Liberty mean nothing to you

Personally. I prefer a nice cutlass than a gun. It has more 'feeling' to it.

Boris wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 6:28am:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:14pm: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day You cannot murder a classroom of children with a hamburger....Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) The death rate per day is around 40 if you take suicides out of the equation - they will use other means if they have to - so 40 a day compared to 800 a day die from Junk Food because it is toxic and addictive. Anti-gun nutters hate guns but take their kids for burgers and coke There is no reasoning with idiots Dickhead

So eating yourself to death over many years is worse than being shot to death in a classroom or work....Why would anyone compare a health issue to indiscriminate murder unless they were trying to minimize the tragic murder of innocent people....You are a complete dickhead mate!!!

Boris logic....

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Sorry Johnny you cannot have a hamburger because it will kill you....Here have an assault rifle instead???

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Boris wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 9:53am: When are you migrating, Matty?  You obviously are unhappy in God Own country.  You'd be much happier in the US where you won't be bothered by  all the "leftists" and will be allowed to have a gun.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Human Rights and Liberty mean nothing to you

They mean a lot more to me.  Gun "rights" are neither an issue of human rights or mean anything for liberty they are false "rights".  When are you migrating to that place that doesn't even make the top 10 on Liberty House's ratings, unlike Australia or New Zealand?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Boris wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:28am: philperth2010 wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:14pm: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:26am: Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:18am: Boris wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am: Guns kill 40 people a day Junk Food kills 800 people a day Cigarettes kill 1,200 a day Cars kill 117 a day But you get your panties all in a bunch about guns Modern life has risks - Freedom is important to me and others but not you In the US Guns kill over 100 people a day. In every comparable western country the number is <1. Mostly less than 1 a month. The US currently average more deaths in mass shooting per day than most countries gun related deaths in a year. While other deaths do happen this is the one which is 90% fixable. There is no reason or justification for gun deaths at this rate. So what? Freedom has a price. Junk Food kills 800 a day You cannot murder a classroom of children with a hamburger....Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) The death rate per day is around 40 if you take suicides out of the equation - they will use other means if they have to - so 40 a day compared to 800 a day die from Junk Food because it is toxic and addictive. Anti-gun nutters hate guns but take their kids for burgers and coke There is no reasoning with idiots Dickhead So eating yourself to death over many years is worse than being shot to death in a classroom or work....Why would anyone compare a health issue to indiscriminate murder unless they were trying to minimize the tragic murder of innocent people....You are a complete dickhead mate!!! Boris logic.... Quote: Sorry Johnny you cannot have a hamburger because it will kill you....Here have an assault rifle instead??? ::) ::) ::)

You are impervious to reason - a complete leftie loonie.

In a nation of 330 million people 40 a day from guns is miniscule - less than car accidents - think about that - do you drive a car?

Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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You are impervious to reason

That you think stupidly comparing dying to heath issues caused by obesity is comparable  :Dto being shot  shows that you have no idea what reason is.

In a nation of 330 million people 40 a day from guns is miniscule - less than car accidents - think about that - do you drive a car?

In the USA you have a greater chance of being killed in a Car accident that by being killed by a gun.

So ban all cars?

Boris wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:56am:

In a nation of 330 million people 40 a day from guns is miniscule - less than car accidents - think about that - do you drive a car? In the USA you have a greater chance of being killed in a Car accident that by being killed by a gun. So ban all cars?

People all over the world die from car accidents....People all over the world die from health problems....People all over the world die of old age....Only in America do over 40 people a day die from gun violence....Only in America do we see mass shootings happen on a regular basis....Keep believeing a hamburger is more dangerous than a gun, that health issues are only a problem in America, that car accidents are unique to America or that old age is a bigger killer than guns....Only in America....Dickhead!!!

Life expectancy in America is third world despite having some of the best medical centres and doctors in the world if you can afford it???

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

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Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
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Boris wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:56am:

In a nation of 330 million people 40 a day from guns is miniscule - less than car accidents - think about that - do you drive a car? In the USA you have a greater chance of being killed in a Car accident that by being killed by a gun. So ban all cars?

Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

Boris wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:56am: In a nation of 330 million people 40 a day from guns is miniscule - less than car accidents - think about that - do you drive a car? In the USA you have a greater chance of being killed in a Car accident that by being killed by a gun. So ban all cars? Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Outlaw all cars and planes - no more tobacco and junk food

Boris wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 12:10pm:

Outlaw all cars and planes - no more tobacco and junk food

Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:10pm: Outlaw all cars and planes - no more tobacco and junk food Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You are clearly stark raving mad

Seek help

Easily eliminated? Criminals have guns - they print them with a computer and kill people.

People have a right to self defence - so what do they use?

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/2Vfc9bJhlxR-oWrmNO-MmY_UAII=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/gun-laws-meme-58b8f6d25f9b58af5cb5f2bc.jpg

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Jill Meagher needed a gun

In the US some 1 million lives are saved every years because someone had a gun for self defence

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

tell it to obama who has bombed yemen civilains into oblivion,
who dropedd more drones on weddings then any other president

thank god the noble donald came along and tried to stop the madness

America has a problem....They refuse to accept guns kill innocent people???


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Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list. Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

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https://www.google.com/search?q=indigenous+deaths+in+custody+vs+non+indigenous&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU853AU853&oq=Indiginous+deaths+in+custody+&aqs=chrome.6.69i57j0i13i512l8j0i22i30.17939j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

America has a problem....They refuse to accept guns kill innocent people??? Quote: Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list. Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). ::) ::) ::) https://www.google.com/search?q=indigenous+deaths+in+custody+vs+non+indigenous&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU853AU853&oq=Indiginous+deaths+in+custody+&aqs=chrome.6.69i57j0i13i512l8j0i22i30.17939j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So do cars and junk food

Boris wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:16pm: America has a problem....They refuse to accept guns kill innocent people??? Quote: Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list. Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). ::) ::) ::) https://www.google.com/search?q=indigenous+deaths+in+custody+vs+non+indigenous&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU853AU853&oq=Indiginous+deaths+in+custody+&aqs=chrome.6.69i57j0i13i512l8j0i22i30.17939j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 So do cars and junk food

Not at the rate of the USA....Every country has car accidents and health issues....America stands alone in the developed world in killing it's people with firearms....America also ranks 46th for life expectancy which is thirld world statistics....Remain ignorant dickhead!!!

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:27pm: Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) tell it to obama who has bombed yemen civilains into oblivion, who dropedd more drones on weddings then any other president thank god the noble donald came along and tried to stop the madness

Do you have anything to support your bullshit mate???


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Trump may have bombed Yemen more than all previous US presidents combined, new report finds

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Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more-than-bush-and-obama-combined-2020-10

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

The Government of Venezuela went door to door collecting all guns and now murders its own people.

You must love that

Police and security forces have killed nearly 18,000 people in Venezuela in instances of alleged “resistance to authority” since 2016. Interior Minister Néstor Reverol reported in December 2017 that there were 5,995 such cases in 2016 and 4,998 in 2017. Venezuelan security forces killed nearly 7,000 people in incidents they claimed were cases of “resistance to authority” in 2018 and the first five months of 2019, according to official figures cited by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR).

Nobody has yet compiled detailed information as to how many of these killings by security forces have been extrajudicial executions, but OHCHR concluded that “many” may constitute extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Watch documented several such killings in 2019.

Between 2015 and 2017, Venezuelan security forces swept through low-income communities during what was known as the “Operation to Liberate and Protect the People” (Operación de Liberación y Protección del Pueblo, OLP). Participating security forces included the Bolivarian National Guard, the Bolivarian National Police (PNB), the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (SEBIN), the Scientific, Penal, and Criminal Investigative Police (CICPC), and state police.

These raids resulted in widespread allegations of violations such as extrajudicial killings, mass arbitrary detentions, mistreatment of detainees, forced evictions, destruction of homes, and arbitrary deportations. In November 2017, Venezuela’s then-attorney general said security forces had killed more than 500 people during OLP raids. Government officials repeatedly said the OLP victims were armed criminals who had died during “confrontations.” In many cases, witnesses or families of victims challenged these claims. In several cases, victims were last seen alive in police custody. 

FAES, a special police force created in 2017 to combat drug trafficking and criminal organizations, replaced the OLPs in security operations. FAES officials have committed egregious violations, including killings and torture, with impunity in low-income communities that no longer support Nicolás Maduro. OHCHR reported that “authorities may be using FAES and other security forces as an instrument to instill fear in the population and to maintain social control.”   

Impunity for Abuses
Venezuelan authorities reported that, as of June 2019, 44 people were detained and 33 arrest warrants were issued for people allegedly responsible for killings during demonstrations in 2017 and 2019. Authorities claim five FAES agents were convicted of attempted murder and other crimes for events occurred in 2018, and that another 388 FAES agents were under investigation for alleged crimes committed in 2017 and 2019.

Impunity for human rights abuses, however, remains the norm. OHCHR reported in July 2019 that factors contributing to impunity include “lack of cooperation by security and armed forces with investigations,” “the tampering with crime scenes” by security forces, and de facto immunity of senior officials, and lack of judicial independence.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/venezuela

Boris wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

The Government of Venezuela went door to door collecting all guns and now murders its own people. You must love that Police and security forces have killed nearly 18,000 people in Venezuela in instances of alleged “resistance to authority” since 2016. Interior Minister Néstor Reverol reported in December 2017 that there were 5,995 such cases in 2016 and 4,998 in 2017. Venezuelan security forces killed nearly 7,000 people in incidents they claimed were cases of “resistance to authority” in 2018 and the first five months of 2019, according to official figures cited by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). Nobody has yet compiled detailed information as to how many of these killings by security forces have been extrajudicial executions, but OHCHR concluded that “many” may constitute extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Watch documented several such killings in 2019. Between 2015 and 2017, Venezuelan security forces swept through low-income communities during what was known as the “Operation to Liberate and Protect the People” (Operación de Liberación y Protección del Pueblo, OLP). Participating security forces included the Bolivarian National Guard, the Bolivarian National Police (PNB), the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (SEBIN), the Scientific, Penal, and Criminal Investigative Police (CICPC), and state police. These raids resulted in widespread allegations of violations such as extrajudicial killings, mass arbitrary detentions, mistreatment of detainees, forced evictions, destruction of homes, and arbitrary deportations. In November 2017, Venezuela’s then-attorney general said security forces had killed more than 500 people during OLP raids. Government officials repeatedly said the OLP victims were armed criminals who had died during “confrontations.” In many cases, witnesses or families of victims challenged these claims. In several cases, victims were last seen alive in police custody.  FAES, a special police force created in 2017 to combat drug trafficking and criminal organizations, replaced the OLPs in security operations. FAES officials have committed egregious violations, including killings and torture, with impunity in low-income communities that no longer support Nicolás Maduro. OHCHR reported that “authorities may be using FAES and other security forces as an instrument to instill fear in the population and to maintain social control.”    Impunity for Abuses Venezuelan authorities reported that, as of June 2019, 44 people were detained and 33 arrest warrants were issued for people allegedly responsible for killings during demonstrations in 2017 and 2019. Authorities claim five FAES agents were convicted of attempted murder and other crimes for events occurred in 2018, and that another 388 FAES agents were under investigation for alleged crimes committed in 2017 and 2019. Impunity for human rights abuses, however, remains the norm. OHCHR reported in July 2019 that factors contributing to impunity include “lack of cooperation by security and armed forces with investigations,” “the tampering with crime scenes” by security forces, and de facto immunity of senior officials, and lack of judicial independence. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/venezuela

Venezuela....What does this have to do with the topic???

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philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:27pm: Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) tell it to obama who has bombed yemen civilains into oblivion, who dropedd more drones on weddings then any other president thank god the noble donald came along and tried to stop the madness Do you have anything to support your bullshit mate??? Quote: Trump may have bombed Yemen more than all previous US presidents combined, new report finds [quote]Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more-than-bush-and-obama-combined-2020-10

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/[/quote]


There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:32pm: The Government of Venezuela went door to door collecting all guns and now murders its own people. You must love that Police and security forces have killed nearly 18,000 people in Venezuela in instances of alleged “resistance to authority” since 2016. Interior Minister Néstor Reverol reported in December 2017 that there were 5,995 such cases in 2016 and 4,998 in 2017. Venezuelan security forces killed nearly 7,000 people in incidents they claimed were cases of “resistance to authority” in 2018 and the first five months of 2019, according to official figures cited by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). Nobody has yet compiled detailed information as to how many of these killings by security forces have been extrajudicial executions, but OHCHR concluded that “many” may constitute extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Watch documented several such killings in 2019. Between 2015 and 2017, Venezuelan security forces swept through low-income communities during what was known as the “Operation to Liberate and Protect the People” (Operación de Liberación y Protección del Pueblo, OLP). Participating security forces included the Bolivarian National Guard, the Bolivarian National Police (PNB), the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (SEBIN), the Scientific, Penal, and Criminal Investigative Police (CICPC), and state police. These raids resulted in widespread allegations of violations such as extrajudicial killings, mass arbitrary detentions, mistreatment of detainees, forced evictions, destruction of homes, and arbitrary deportations. In November 2017, Venezuela’s then-attorney general said security forces had killed more than 500 people during OLP raids. Government officials repeatedly said the OLP victims were armed criminals who had died during “confrontations.” In many cases, witnesses or families of victims challenged these claims. In several cases, victims were last seen alive in police custody.  FAES, a special police force created in 2017 to combat drug trafficking and criminal organizations, replaced the OLPs in security operations. FAES officials have committed egregious violations, including killings and torture, with impunity in low-income communities that no longer support Nicolás Maduro. OHCHR reported that “authorities may be using FAES and other security forces as an instrument to instill fear in the population and to maintain social control.”    Impunity for Abuses Venezuelan authorities reported that, as of June 2019, 44 people were detained and 33 arrest warrants were issued for people allegedly responsible for killings during demonstrations in 2017 and 2019. Authorities claim five FAES agents were convicted of attempted murder and other crimes for events occurred in 2018, and that another 388 FAES agents were under investigation for alleged crimes committed in 2017 and 2019. Impunity for human rights abuses, however, remains the norm. OHCHR reported in July 2019 that factors contributing to impunity include “lack of cooperation by security and armed forces with investigations,” “the tampering with crime scenes” by security forces, and de facto immunity of senior officials, and lack of judicial independence. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/venezuela Venezuela....What does this have to do with the topic??? :-? :-? :-?

venezuela is your socialist utopia.

AOC is a huge supporter

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 3:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:28pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:27pm: Even one death, unnecessary is a tragedy, Matty.  Like all right-wing social justice warriors you misuse statistics badly to try and prove your case.  Any society that is willing to tolerate that rate of loss through such a means as easily eliminated as guns is obviously dysfunctional.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) tell it to obama who has bombed yemen civilains into oblivion, who dropedd more drones on weddings then any other president thank god the noble donald came along and tried to stop the madness Do you have anything to support your bullshit mate??? Quote: Trump may have bombed Yemen more than all previous US presidents combined, new report finds [quote]Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels :-? :-? :-? https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more-than-bush-and-obama-combined-2020-10 https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush.
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My post referenced the Noble Donald Trump who dropped more bombs on Yemin than all his  predecessors combined....Bush Jr started the war....I note you are no longer defending your bullshit!!!

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Boris wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:32pm: The Government of Venezuela went door to door collecting all guns and now murders its own people. You must love that Police and security forces have killed nearly 18,000 people in Venezuela in instances of alleged “resistance to authority” since 2016. Interior Minister Néstor Reverol reported in December 2017 that there were 5,995 such cases in 2016 and 4,998 in 2017. Venezuelan security forces killed nearly 7,000 people in incidents they claimed were cases of “resistance to authority” in 2018 and the first five months of 2019, according to official figures cited by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). Nobody has yet compiled detailed information as to how many of these killings by security forces have been extrajudicial executions, but OHCHR concluded that “many” may constitute extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Watch documented several such killings in 2019. Between 2015 and 2017, Venezuelan security forces swept through low-income communities during what was known as the “Operation to Liberate and Protect the People” (Operación de Liberación y Protección del Pueblo, OLP). Participating security forces included the Bolivarian National Guard, the Bolivarian National Police (PNB), the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (SEBIN), the Scientific, Penal, and Criminal Investigative Police (CICPC), and state police. These raids resulted in widespread allegations of violations such as extrajudicial killings, mass arbitrary detentions, mistreatment of detainees, forced evictions, destruction of homes, and arbitrary deportations. In November 2017, Venezuela’s then-attorney general said security forces had killed more than 500 people during OLP raids. Government officials repeatedly said the OLP victims were armed criminals who had died during “confrontations.” In many cases, witnesses or families of victims challenged these claims. In several cases, victims were last seen alive in police custody.  FAES, a special police force created in 2017 to combat drug trafficking and criminal organizations, replaced the OLPs in security operations. FAES officials have committed egregious violations, including killings and torture, with impunity in low-income communities that no longer support Nicolás Maduro. OHCHR reported that “authorities may be using FAES and other security forces as an instrument to instill fear in the population and to maintain social control.”    Impunity for Abuses Venezuelan authorities reported that, as of June 2019, 44 people were detained and 33 arrest warrants were issued for people allegedly responsible for killings during demonstrations in 2017 and 2019. Authorities claim five FAES agents were convicted of attempted murder and other crimes for events occurred in 2018, and that another 388 FAES agents were under investigation for alleged crimes committed in 2017 and 2019. Impunity for human rights abuses, however, remains the norm. OHCHR reported in July 2019 that factors contributing to impunity include “lack of cooperation by security and armed forces with investigations,” “the tampering with crime scenes” by security forces, and de facto immunity of senior officials, and lack of judicial independence. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/venezuela Venezuela....What does this have to do with the topic??? :-? :-? :-? venezuela is your socialist utopia. AOC is a huge supporter

I am not a supporter of Venezuela, Socialism or AOC (Any American politician for that matter)....What does Venezuela have to do with the topic???

:-? :-? :-?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

venezuela is your socialist utopia.

I don't think Venezuela is anyone's "Socialist utopia" except for a few lunatic Right-wingers like yourself, Aqua.   My Socialist utopia is Australia in the 1970s when Gough was PM.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:12pm: venezuela is your socialist utopia. I don't think Venezuela is anyone's "Socialist utopia" except for few lunatic Right-wingers like yourself, Aqua.   My Socialist utopia is Australia in the 1970s when Gough was PM.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

The Loans affair, also called the Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam government of Australia in 1975 in which it was accused of attempting to borrow money from the Middle East by the agency of the Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani (17 September 1920 — 19 May 1991) and thus bypass the standard procedures of the Australian Treasury and violate the Australian Constitution.

Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor and Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister Jim Cairns misled Parliament and were forced from the Whitlam Cabinet over the affair. This was a key precursor to the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, which led to the dismissal of the government in 1975.[1]


if it was trump, you'd want him jailed
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:12pm: venezuela is your socialist utopia. I don't think Venezuela is anyone's "Socialist utopia" except for few lunatic Right-wingers like yourself, Aqua.   My Socialist utopia is Australia in the 1970s when Gough was PM.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

See. You are an American suckjob! Specifically a Democrat American suckjob!

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:12pm: venezuela is your socialist utopia. I don't think Venezuela is anyone's "Socialist utopia" except for few lunatic Right-wingers like yourself, Aqua.   My Socialist utopia is Australia in the 1970s when Gough was PM.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif] The Loans affair, also called the Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam government of Australia in 1975 in which it was accused of attempting to borrow money from the Middle East by the agency of the Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani (17 September 1920 — 19 May 1991) and thus bypass the standard procedures of the Australian Treasury and violate the Australian Constitution. Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor and Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister Jim Cairns misled Parliament and were forced from the Whitlam Cabinet over the affair. This was a key precursor to the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, which led to the dismissal of the government in 1975.[1] if it was trump, you'd want him jailed ::) ::)

They were going to build Infrastructure and ultimately make Australia a lot wealthier. It was stupid and they could have been prosecuted had they done it.


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This was a key precursor to the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis

People should have gone to Jail over this one. The Drunk GG for a start and the opposition leader that he was conspiring with.

Australia's only successful insurrection.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Boris wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 2:32pm: The Government of Venezuela went door to door collecting all guns and now murders its own people. You must love that Police and security forces have killed nearly 18,000 people in Venezuela in instances of alleged “resistance to authority” since 2016. Interior Minister Néstor Reverol reported in December 2017 that there were 5,995 such cases in 2016 and 4,998 in 2017. Venezuelan security forces killed nearly 7,000 people in incidents they claimed were cases of “resistance to authority” in 2018 and the first five months of 2019, according to official figures cited by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). Nobody has yet compiled detailed information as to how many of these killings by security forces have been extrajudicial executions, but OHCHR concluded that “many” may constitute extrajudicial killings. Human Rights Watch documented several such killings in 2019. Between 2015 and 2017, Venezuelan security forces swept through low-income communities during what was known as the “Operation to Liberate and Protect the People” (Operación de Liberación y Protección del Pueblo, OLP). Participating security forces included the Bolivarian National Guard, the Bolivarian National Police (PNB), the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (SEBIN), the Scientific, Penal, and Criminal Investigative Police (CICPC), and state police. These raids resulted in widespread allegations of violations such as extrajudicial killings, mass arbitrary detentions, mistreatment of detainees, forced evictions, destruction of homes, and arbitrary deportations. In November 2017, Venezuela’s then-attorney general said security forces had killed more than 500 people during OLP raids. Government officials repeatedly said the OLP victims were armed criminals who had died during “confrontations.” In many cases, witnesses or families of victims challenged these claims. In several cases, victims were last seen alive in police custody.  FAES, a special police force created in 2017 to combat drug trafficking and criminal organizations, replaced the OLPs in security operations. FAES officials have committed egregious violations, including killings and torture, with impunity in low-income communities that no longer support Nicolás Maduro. OHCHR reported that “authorities may be using FAES and other security forces as an instrument to instill fear in the population and to maintain social control.”    Impunity for Abuses Venezuelan authorities reported that, as of June 2019, 44 people were detained and 33 arrest warrants were issued for people allegedly responsible for killings during demonstrations in 2017 and 2019. Authorities claim five FAES agents were convicted of attempted murder and other crimes for events occurred in 2018, and that another 388 FAES agents were under investigation for alleged crimes committed in 2017 and 2019. Impunity for human rights abuses, however, remains the norm. OHCHR reported in July 2019 that factors contributing to impunity include “lack of cooperation by security and armed forces with investigations,” “the tampering with crime scenes” by security forces, and de facto immunity of senior officials, and lack of judicial independence. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/venezuela Venezuela....What does this have to do with the topic??? :-? :-? :-? venezuela is your socialist utopia. AOC is a huge supporter

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AOC is a huge supporter

That was always a huge right wing lie. The only thing that AOC supported was the right of Venezuela to select their own government without US intervention.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 4:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 3:12pm: venezuela is your socialist utopia. I don't think Venezuela is anyone's "Socialist utopia" except for few lunatic Right-wingers like yourself, Aqua.   My Socialist utopia is Australia in the 1970s when Gough was PM.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif] The Loans affair, also called the Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam government of Australia in 1975 in which it was accused of attempting to borrow money from the Middle East by the agency of the Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani (17 September 1920 — 19 May 1991) and thus bypass the standard procedures of the Australian Treasury and violate the Australian Constitution. Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor and Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister Jim Cairns misled Parliament and were forced from the Whitlam Cabinet over the affair. This was a key precursor to the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, which led to the dismissal of the government in 1975.[1] if it was trump, you'd want him jailed ::) ::)

Of course you focus on the outcromes rather than the process that created them, hey, Aqua?  You fail to mention Joh's nominating a non-ALP Senator to replace Vince Gair.  You fail to mention the illegal act of dismissal perpetrated by Kerr and Fraser. Gough commanded the House and the House is what determines is Government.  Kerr and Fraser overturned that principle.   ::) ::)

The point is - the 2nd Amendment is there because the British took guns off the Americans so they could easier be ruled and killed before the War of Independence.

The British did that to their own people and the Americans seceded and became a new Nation.

The 2nd Amendment is there to guarantee that Tyrannical Governments cannot impose Tyranny on its people.

The first thing Tyrants do is disarm the people so they can easily be ruled and killed - Venezuela is only one of a long list of Tyrannical Governments in History who have done this - Nazi Germany is another.

Guns are power in the hands of the people. Without guns people are slaves. With guns people are Citizens who will not stand for Tyranny.

When you have the case that 800 people a day die in the USA from eating Junk Food and 35 die a day from guns, and Leftist Tyrants want to disarm people to make them powerless but let them fee MacDonald's Hamburgers and Coke to the kiddies.

I trust a Citizen with a gun before I trust a politician with power.

History bears that out.

Australia and Australians are not disarmed, Matty.  There are now more firearms in private possession than there were before the Port Arthur massacre.   Australians have the right to self-defence still.  They simply cannon possess a firearm for that purpose.  Several Australians have successfully used their firearms for self-defence when they feared their or their loved ones' lives were in danger.  Firearms are not central to Australians' society and freedom.  We hold our government in contempt ordinarily.  We do not fear our government, we basically for most things ignore it.  We rank higher than the US in most scales of "Freedom", just as New Zealand does.  We would all be much better off if you pissed off to the US where you can live the lie you want to.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Americans need to wake up and stop pretending guns are not killing innocent people at an unpresedented rate....Even the massacre of innocent children does not register there is a problem and America is ignoring it!!!


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How Gun Control Came to Britain

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https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160801

I doubt any gun nuts will pause to read that article in full, instead they will simply lapse back on the usual tropes - the "freedom is assured by a gun in every citizens' hands," the usual cry of, "Government is tyranny and all tyrants fear citizens' guns..." Such bullshit such a lack of thought.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Read the comments below the article, you two dick slapperz.... ;D

Although the article is seven years old it makes some valid points. However as can be seen by the comments these points are lost on some people.  I think it's too late to have any meaningful law change in the US. If regular school shootings don't get people wanting change then I don't think anything will.

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Belgarion wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Although the article is seven years old it makes some valid points. However as can be seen by the comments these points are lost on some people.  I think it's too late to have any meaningful law change in the US. If regular school shootings don't get people wanting change then I don't think anything will.

I agree with what you are you are saying....However do not underestimate the willingness of people to change once they are personally affected....More mass shootings will slowly erode the argument guns make people safe!!!

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Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 3:30pm:

Read the comments below the article, you two dick slapperz.... ;D

Just bullshit from wankers like you....The article sums up your stupidity perfectly!!!

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https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160801

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 1:17pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:26am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 9:53am: When are you migrating, Matty?  You obviously are unhappy in God Own country.  You'd be much happier in the US where you won't be bothered by  all the "leftists" and will be allowed to have a gun.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Human Rights and Liberty mean nothing to you They mean a lot more to me.  Gun "rights" are neither an issue of human rights or mean anything for liberty they are false "rights".  When are you migrating to that place that doesn't even make the top 10 on Liberty House's ratings, unlike Australia or New Zealand?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

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Q. Which is an Assault Rifle?

A.Neither are..... https://imgur.com/6tcmHQH.gif

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk... ::) ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 3:40pm:

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Hi, Panty Boy.  :)

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2023 at 3:40pm:

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If you truly believe than you should be reduced to communicating with quill pen and ink well. We should own weapons equivalent to the modern military for the safety of the general citizenry. The rifles the British used fired one or two rounds a minute in 1776, as they increase firepower we need to keep up. You nailed it, we don't own assault rifles but we should to be current with the times! Thanks, Brian.

You know its a Corrupt Government when the citizens DO need to arm themselves.

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The argument that criminals and lunatics do not follow laws falls down when they are allowed to purchase weapons legally....Background checks help to prevent criminals and lunatics getting access to deadly weapons!!!


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What Do Most Mass Shooters Have in Common? They Bought Their Guns Legally. From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/us/politics/legal-gun-purchase-mass-shooting.html

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What secret are you hiding from us, Mort?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

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In China it is illegal for a Citizen to own a gun

The Government collects people and murders them.

Armed Citizens will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks

Boris wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 2:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 8:24pm: https://i.postimg.cc/5ytYFHDQ/largestarmy.jpg In China it is illegal for a Citizen to own a gun The Government collects people and murders them. Armed Citizens will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks

Didn't stop the Jews suffering such a fate, Matty.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 2:14pm:

Boris wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 2:06pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 8:24pm: https://i.postimg.cc/5ytYFHDQ/largestarmy.jpg In China it is illegal for a Citizen to own a gun The Government collects people and murders them. Armed Citizens will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks Didn't stop the Jews suffering such a fate, Matty.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The first thing the Nazis did - extremists on controlling people - the same as you - disarm citizens.

So the Jews were loaded onto Cattle trucks because they were unarmed.

Armed people will not be loaded onto Cattle trucks.

I saw a Movie where only the Police and Military had guns - Schindler's List

Tsk, tsk, tsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8c2wKISv0o

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 12:25pm:

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Do you ever wonder why a vain ignorant and unmoored ijit like Bbwian has not been hit by a bus?

I do.

Frank wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 12:25pm: https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/dyKk7NBtB8vdgoxHFqXaScHBEcM=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/grenade-attacks-58b8f8095f9b58af5cb9628e.jpg ::) ::) Do you ever wonder why a vain ignorant and unmoored ijit like Bbwian has not been hit by a bus? I do.

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Poor, poor, Soren, such a silly sausage.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 10:40pm:

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True, true. You constitution was only written by liberals, dear.

So unfair, no?