We were chatting away on Facebook tonight and some guy reckons that China is currently negotiating a deal with Russia about supplying them with weaponry/armaments.

USA —>  [ UKRAINE vs RUSSIA ]  <— CHINA

Pretty much. That's why our CCP stooges are attacking Ukraine. One of them posted here recently his idea that Ukraine voluntarily surrenders to Russia. He tried to equate it with Australia being a monarchy I think.

Neither China nor Russia are communist any more, and are talking very different paths to capitalism, but for some reason are still married to the old communist bloc alliance.

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:04am:

Pretty much. That's why our CCP stooges are attacking Ukraine. One of them posted here recently his idea that Ukraine voluntarily surrenders to Russia. He tried to equate it with Australia being a monarchy I think. Neither China nor Russia are communist any more, and are talking very different paths to capitalism, but for some reason are still married to the old communist bloc alliance.

Both China and Russia share a common ancestor and have followed similar (not identical) evolutionary pathways.

I have no idea why anyone would refer to Australia in such discussions because we’re not really a big player in all this.

Question (yep you know me .. I’m forever asking questions) :

Did the Cold War really ever end?

I don’t think it did.

Back at Sydney Uni in the 1990’s we were amazed and relieved to witness Perestroika etc. These events impacted course content in Political Economy and Government. We were living the dream of global change/reform and we even took time out to celebrate the end of the Cold War.

God we were so naive and stupid. We really had no idea.

China v Russia & India.  ;)
Just you wait and see.

It's funny but I've always thought of China and Russia—if not
actual enemies—of having no friendly relations way back when.

But they signed a treaty of "friendship and cooperation" in 2001
which runs until 2026.  How long will it last after that?

Recall though that the two countries were enemies during the Cold
War;  in fact it almost came to war in the late 1960s border conflict
at the Ussuri River.

I wouldn't trust either country's longer-term motives.

Exactly!

The Soviets more or less pounded China into becoming Communist - but now the 'power' table has turned and China is the more powerful in a way.
They are reclaiming the lands stolen by the Soviets with over 500,000 Chinese (military as well) living on Russian lands and expanding. Putin is too scared to do anything about it.

Yellow China is going to teach Russia and India that Asia is for the mass-production of Yellow people only, not Black (India) and White (Russia). There can be only one.

China's alliance with Russia is about as loyal as Darth Vader to his Emperor Palpatine. Russia's Siberia is resource rich - it presents a more viable option than direct conflict with the USA (presently) and will return the passage to the north back to the Yellow Man.

You have to remember that the USSR and Cold War was an expansion of White People into the east (Asia) with a default Cold War with the USA.
General Macarthur stated that the USA was in Korea to 'help' kick the yellow mongol out of Asia. That is, with the convergence from the USSR - turn the entire northern hemisphere 'all white' (yin/yang) and send the browns of the Middle-East to Australia and the yellows to Oceania.
Don't laugh - as ridiculous as it may sound to us here in Australia. It was a very serious thing indeed. A case of White Man wanting 'half the world' and was prepared to Nuke it all if he didn't get it (USSR v USA Nuclear War). Such was the 'blackmailing threat'.

...but of course, it was never going to work out like that.
The USA connection was never to be with Russia. The pathway leads straight down to Australia, rather than across to Russia.

And what we are now seeing is the failure of that Master Plan and China reclaiming its Asia with empowerment for the Yellow Man and the USSR now a rusted out Russia with nowhere to go and no reason to exist like the USSR.

So expect China to go Supernova and burn out its Military might (created for threats that have now defaulted) upon the likes of Russia and to a lesser extent India.

Russia has to choose between being Pro-European and joining NATO and EU or remaining Pro-Asia (China).
You know which way they will turn.  ;)
And when Russia does so - the WRATH OF KHAN will be upon them.  8-)

That's the good news.

The bad news is that after WW3 and all that was will be forgotten. The world will 'turn upon Australia' to pick up the new slack. This country, so far being a 'holiday' - will soon indeed 'go to hell'.

The China-Russia relationship is more like frenemies.

For example, China under the CCP has not forgotten the lost territories of its north to Russia.

It has constructed a facade of neutrality but does covertly aid Russia where it can get away with it.

However, the CCP has now realised its colossal mistake with its quixotic 'wolf warrior' diplomacy and its needling the US by its jousting over economic and regional military hegemony. It must now be, more clearly, wary of supporting Russia against Ukraine.

The US is still well in command of the world economy, global trade and its ability to militarily assert itself anywhere.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 9:05am:

The China-Russia relationship is more like frenemies. For example, China under the CCP has not forgotten the lost territories of its north to Russia. It has constructed a facade of neutrality but does covertly aid Russia where it can get away with it. However, the CCP has now realised its colossal mistake with its quixotic 'wolf warrior' diplomacy and its needling the US by its jousting over economic and regional military hegemony. It must now be, more clearly, wary of supporting Russia against Ukraine. The US is still well in command of the world economy, global trade and its ability to militarily assert itself anywhere.

I cannot believe what I’m about to say :

MeisterFutureGroggy is absolutely 100% correct!



(Thinks to herself : you might be running a fever. There’s no way you would EVER post something like that 😳)

Edit : He’s definitely Googled that info! Phew! I feel better already!

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:10pm:

We were chatting away on Facebook tonight and some guy reckons that China is currently negotiating a deal with Russia about supplying them with weaponry/armaments. USA —>  [ UKRAINE vs RUSSIA ]  <— CHINA

When you ask, "is this true," I don't think anyone on this forum actually knows. However, as we are talking about one police-state dictatorship to another, its a good bet.

I'd bet the US is not unhappy with China covertly supporting Russia.

The complete collapse of the Russian state would make the Russia-Ukraine war look like a friendly game of football.

I reckon we're being groomed for war against Chyna.

The balloons, apparently the best way to gather intel on them (which has always been done in he past) is to monitor them. Shooting them down is for show.

Ex generals are coming out and declaring (being asked nicely to say) war with China is 100% certain. That's how the administration can communicate that without owning it.

And last week, the news that Covid most likely came from a Chyneze lab. This was known on about day 2 of the pandemic but now it's politically convenient to voice it.

So either we're being groomed for war or being taken to the brink of for negotiating/posturing purposes.

Thanks, Biden's puppet master.

Gordon wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 1:13pm:

I reckon we're being groomed for war against Chyna.

Given the state China's in, I'd bet they wouldn't win a war against the Phillippines if the Filipinos were standing alone.

Well you might find that the Philippines and Vietnam will reclaim the South China Sea against China (busy fighting others as well) with the other S-E Asian nations in alliance against China's Supernova effect. Even Myanmar organised the need for such an alliance 10 years ago... about the same time NATO decided to stack its borders against Russia - by coincidence.

I wouldn't say the USA is an Economic top player. It's still in archaic Imperial and really a 4th World Economy with one of the biggest Debts in the world. Unlike Australia - it doesn't contribute $1 to the UN, it can't afford to.

When Russia, after capitulating to Capitalism, capitulates (to Pro-European economy) for a second time. That's when China will feel betrayed and get revenge -  will have no choice and obviously as Russia is invaded - Russia will cry for help to the USA.
But the USA will not 'involve' itself unless it is attacked itself 'directly'. Funny that, eh? ;) If paranoid North Korea cuts loose seeing China in full War mode - you can bet it will have a stupid go at anything that would involve the USA to reluctantly join the War against China.
Why would China want to War on two opposite fronts? It will have its hands full with Russia and its ally India as well. Let alone anything with the S-E Asian nations.

The only 'heir' to the World's greatest Military ranking is Israel (as Islam shall soon experience the 'fall from the garden'). Not China, not Russia, not Italy, not France and not even the USA who is more like a 'Cop' than a Soldier.

That's why even if China beats Russia (which it will) and other military things. It will have 'expended' its justified Military agenda and turn into the world's best Accountancy Firm ruled by a Black Man.  ;D
Black is the colour of Money you know and still the longest running and most successful 'market' since so long ago.  ;)



...the Battered Xav knows all because It_is_the_Darkness that tells the truth that you don't want to read.  ;)

issuevoter wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:10pm: We were chatting away on Facebook tonight and some guy reckons that China is currently negotiating a deal with Russia about supplying them with weaponry/armaments. USA —>  [ UKRAINE vs RUSSIA ]  <— CHINA When you ask, "is this true," I don't think anyone on this forum actually knows. However, as we are talking about one police-state dictatorship to another, its a good bet.

Good point ✅

issuevoter wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:10pm: We were chatting away on Facebook tonight and some guy reckons that China is currently negotiating a deal with Russia about supplying them with weaponry/armaments. USA —>  [ UKRAINE vs RUSSIA ]  <— CHINA When you ask, "is this true," I don't think anyone on this forum actually knows. However, as we are talking about one police-state dictatorship to another, its a good bet.

As Russia has almost entirely depleted its military supplies, a serious split has occurred between Russia's ministry of defence and the Wagner group, with the defence ministry undersupplying Wagner.

This split has been a little while in the brewing, and goes right to the top, with Wagner taking credit for successes and mocking the Russian army for its failures.

The Russian defense ministry denies it's deliberately undersupplying Wagner, claiming that it's experiencing temporary shortages and delivery issues, but will be back on track soon.

This is where the suspicion about China supplying Russia with materiel comes in.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't - the CCP is playing it down - but they could be covertly providing gold to Russia to pay for its needs from other sources, or acting as a middleman between Russia and a seller.

As the Spring fighting season will soon start, Russia is desperate to ensure its Spring offensive goes the way it wants, if not... this could be its last chance to seize the southeast of Ukraine and hold it - not likely at this stage.

Time will tell.