Things that need to be said at the beginning:
-I consider myself to be an independent centrist.
-I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide.
-While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts.
-I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line.

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?"

I will keep this short, to begin with.
"The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology.
"The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.
I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

Great stuff Steve, I'm much the same myself, centrist, but varying according to economic conditions

I've been a union co-delegate, and I've been a sole-trader. Both sides gave me valuable insight into labour and capital. I wasn't born just a lefty or just a righty

My mum was a Labor type person, and my dad was a Liberal voter all his life. I got to understand each of their political "stories", so my politics is a blend of both, but never taking sides

Therefore, I've never voted for the divisive major parties, they use only half their brains. The Laborites use one half, and the Liberals use the other half, both never using their whole brains

This "half brain" philosophy may have worked in the past, when constituents were ignorant, dumb and politically aggressive, but it's now past it's use-by date, evidenced by new discoveries in psychology that are surpassing old ways of conditioning of the mind, different voting patterns, and lower primary votes for the Lib and Lab parties

The original intent of "Progressive" ideology has been twisted by every political man and his dog, and in Australia, the two major parties have their own unique take on it, the ascent of homosexuality and women wearing the pants, the exact opposite to Islam, and how many muslims and mosques are there in Australia?, with more coming in. So you can see how the half brain works, it doesn't work, it only promotes conflict. "Conflict is healthy for democracy" they say, well, not any longer

The original intent of Progressivism was far more broad-ranging than what the "half brain" Libs and Labs will ever understand or apply

Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?

The US progressive anti corruption in politics and govern for the benefit of the people instead of corporate America type of Progressivism or something more associated with the corporate democrats who are just as corrupt as the Republicans ?

Policy such as $15 minimum wage, Fixing Health care, Education costs, sensible gun control etc.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:34pm:

Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to?

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover.

The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.

What is yours?  What collective do you call your own?
Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm: Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to? iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

Hey Frank-Steve. You OK today.


Frank does Steve have anything with more substance ? Should you be addressed to answer all his questions ?

What is it about anti corruption that is overly about feeling ? How does that make corrupt politics OK because there are no feelings only cash.

Why is having a sensible minimum wage not a critically thought out position?

Why is the government paying 10 X more for healthcare for less than 25% of the service anywhere else while healthcare is unaffordable to average people not to be addressed with well thought out policy changes?

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. What is yours?  What collective do you call your own? Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination?

Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'.

Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson.

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm: Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to? iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking.

As you know Frank from just a few days ago when you displayed your lack of understanding as to what progressive means that the question is well worth asking.

Steve may be able to tach us something - NO ?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. What is yours?  What collective do you call your own? Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination? Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'. Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson.

Yeah - all the ideology-free people.  For them only OTHER people have ideologies.
Or rich diverse cultures.

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 3:10pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 3:05pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:55pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. What is yours?  What collective do you call your own? Union of Lone Wolf Mystix of the Popular Imagination? Ah, Tautologies! The 'union of one'. Abandon Ideology - J B Peterson. Yeah - all the ideology-free people.  For them only OTHER people have ideologies. Or rich diverse cultures.

I don't think anybody lives ideology-free.

But there's a difference between a personal/private ideology and those that are published and prescribed to all and for all.

And then there's the visionary's corruption - the sort that kept Muhammed running up to that cave for the next 'this just in' as his ambitions and appetites broadened.

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 12:54pm:

Great stuff Steve, I'm much the same myself, centrist, but varying according to economic conditions The original intent of "Progressive" ideology has been twisted by every political man and his dog, and in Australia, the two major parties have their own unique take on it, the ascent of homosexuality and women wearing the pants, the exact opposite to Islam, and how many muslims and mosques are there in Australia?, with more coming in. So you can see how the half brain works, it doesn't work, it only promotes conflict. "Conflict is healthy for democracy" they say, well, not any longer The original intent of Progressivism was far more broad-ranging than what the "half brain" Libs and Labs will ever understand or apply

Two considerations:
1. I am still in the research phase about politics.
2. Many ideas for me came from an Amerikan context.

What do you see as the main features of the "Progressivism" we have here in Australia?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:34pm:

Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to? The US progressive anti corruption in politics and govern for the benefit of the people instead of corporate America type of Progressivism or something more associated with the corporate democrats who are just as corrupt as the Republicans ? Policy such as $15 minimum wage, Fixing Health care, Education costs, sensible gun control etc.

The majority of "Progressives" I have been communicating with emphasise things such as "Universal Health Care", wealth distribution, and social justice, particularly for the LGBQT+ community.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with this.

I do have a problem with such things as "Cancel Culture", Groupthink, "feelings being more important than the facts", race obsession, and misrepresentation designed to shut down discussing anything they disagree with.
"Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with.
"You are with us or against us" mentality.

I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left.
I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such.

I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right.
Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter.

Democrats: the Blue North Yankees (and Gay/Trans Woke)
Confederates: the Grey South Rebels (and Rednecks)

Republicans: the Red East
White Supremacists: the White and true 'Western' Party.

Why the Democrats will 'Suicide' in self-destruction, in opposition to their former Confederates who were defeated by 'War'? Because the North South combination is out-dated and of no longer any purpose to the future.

The Cherokee Indians had a Red War Party and White Peace Party and the Red Republicans of the East are merely waiting for the Blue North to 'hang' before opposing the emergence of the White Supremacists as the true 'Western' expression of Politics and ironically, against all 'expectations' - they will come to 'rise' by PEACEFUL means, not violence.

...the wheel, keeps turning and the Blue North Democrats will be held accountable for their INTERNATIONAL CRIMES.
Just like their Grey South Confederates were held accountable for their DOMESTIC CRIMES.

What goes around, comes around. ;)

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

"Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality.

Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy?

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left. I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such. I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right. Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter.

Exactly that.
Both political divides exist so that they can tell each other when they each screw up.  ;D

Extremism such as communism, nazism seems to not even have anything to do with what they stood up for in the first place on the closer to the middle left-wing/right-wing. It's also forced on the population which I don't believe in because where there is variation you cannot oppress the minority, there must be freedom for people even when they go wrong in terms of thinking, and it is better that they learn from their mistakes and do not get killed for thinking and existing: white supremacy and antisemitism. (But for breathing yes.) It is true that racists abide by the right, particularly the extremist right, but then again, normal left-wing people are more selfish in statistics.

Right extremism like anti-immigration are not sustainable, people like to have relatives join them sometimes, and for a small population like AUS it wouldn't be an issue, US is a disaster internally, so sewing its borders up would be useless. If either would move to the moon, I betcha people would still want to leave, as well as want to come to live there, it wouldn't make up a crisis situation. Trump should of focused on ruining the false popularity of the US because everybody thinks it's the land of freedom and where dreams come true but it's the poo hole of the world, being worse in some instances than other countries considered such, with the population being not only uneducated regardless of holding the most data and studies online in comprehensive form but also with people who are judgeful and a corrupt system where lying gets you further in life and rich, even in the acting career.

Milleniarian conspiracies that the second coming of Jesus is to be expected, when every year they announced it, and where the proof for it as well as religion itself is lacking, as religious extremism. Or the New World Qrder panic propaganda about Jews, Illuminati and the silly Freemasons taking over the world with communist regimes, another form of right-wing extremism that resides in emotionalism and what if it exists, belief based on nothing just like religion.

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 12:54pm:

Great stuff Steve, I'm much the same myself, centrist, but varying according to economic conditions I've been a union co-delegate, and I've been a sole-trader. Both sides gave me valuable insight into labour and capital. I wasn't born just a lefty or just a righty My mum was a Labor type person, and my dad was a Liberal voter all his life. I got to understand each of their political "stories", so my politics is a blend of both, but never taking sides Therefore, I've never voted for the divisive major parties, they use only half their brains. The Laborites use one half, and the Liberals use the other half, both never using their whole brains This "half brain" philosophy may have worked in the past, when constituents were ignorant, dumb and politically aggressive, but it's now past it's use-by date, evidenced by new discoveries in psychology that are surpassing old ways of conditioning of the mind, different voting patterns, and lower primary votes for the Lib and Lab parties The original intent of "Progressive" ideology has been twisted by every political man and his dog, and in Australia, the two major parties have their own unique take on it, the ascent of homosexuality and women wearing the pants, the exact opposite to Islam, and how many muslims and mosques are there in Australia?, with more coming in. So you can see how the half brain works, it doesn't work, it only promotes conflict. "Conflict is healthy for democracy" they say, well, not any longer The original intent of Progressivism was far more broad-ranging than what the "half brain" Libs and Labs will ever understand or apply

I would say I prefer the Centrist set of ideas, but I would think you mean you're not abiding by that but rather are independent in thinking which is the same as Steve. I value the truth as well, above a set of ideas and the lack of abiding by them that usually happens anyway in politics.

When it comes to Politics - the Left are really the anti-Political.
In that they belong to the Big Brother (1984) Media Team that is Europe, Africa, Asia and... Oceania.
The New World Order is more orthodox to Politics and that is where the Right fits right in with their Team being N.America, S.America, Sahul (Aust, Melanesia) and the Middle-East.

Currently the Left (Media induced Politics) are in Power in N.America (hence it's involvement in European affairs aka Ukraine), Sahul (Aust) and the UK (which is more Political than Germany (already defaulted), France and Italy.

Religion could be said that what the Germans did to the Jews (Because Jesus's last words to his Jewish people when they had him crucified was "Wait till me little brother Hitler gets yas ya bastards! >:() - the Moslems will soon do to the French (which is why Britain has 'stepped back' via Brexit).
When France burns like a Notre Dame Cathedral - the Moslems will get their 'Messiah' (to offset their Prophet Mohommed, like the Prophet Hitler offset the Messiah Jesus) and they will lay down their arms finally and end their existence as a military 'Empire' of Islam.
Then it will be Italy's turn - where the Mafia and all that Vatican Gold will genocide the now 'unarmed' Moslems wandering like the Jews of old (who are now 'militarised').
They will pray to Allah for help - but only the New Empire of Israel will come to their aid and destroy the Mafia-Vatican nasties.
Finally it will be Britain's turn, as Germany, France and Italy have given up their Political/Religious/Military empowerments to return to their 'true European' ways (Eurovision! :D). But Britain will now have to carry it's Union Jack Cross before a 'UNITED' Islam and Israel (known as Istari: I-star-I... the Star between the Two Pillars of Heaven) and Britain will be utterly destroyed 'crucified' to die for the sins of its 'successful' Colonies, where as Germany, France and Italy could not and thus why their colonies failed.

It's all just a 'process' of long ago eating from the Tree of Knowledge from the Middle-East, but it was the British via it's Colonies that ate from the Tree of Life (the New Worlds).

It's kinda complicated, but in a way pretty simple. We live in a very 'finite' small little world and there is only a limited amount of outcomes the world can adjust to.

The Right and Left are in essence via the Big Brother Media side and the NWO side - no different than just both hemispheres of the human mind.

Don't worry. All will not be lost in World War 3.
We still got a few more to go yet. ;)

This is progress.

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time.

Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!!

Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:34pm: Steve when you say progressive what are you referring to? The US progressive anti corruption in politics and govern for the benefit of the people instead of corporate America type of Progressivism or something more associated with the corporate democrats who are just as corrupt as the Republicans ? Policy such as $15 minimum wage, Fixing Health care, Education costs, sensible gun control etc. The majority of "Progressives" I have been communicating with emphasise things such as "Universal Health Care", wealth distribution, and social justice, particularly for the LGBQT+ community. To be clear, I don't have a problem with this. I do have a problem with such things as "Cancel Culture", Groupthink, "feelings being more important than the facts", race obsession, and misrepresentation designed to shut down discussing anything they disagree with. "Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality.

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"Cancel Culture"

- A game of the right - little to no meaning in terms of progressive beliefs.



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"feelings being more important than the facts"

The left in politics tend to have feeling where the right tend to lack them in many cases almost completely. Progressives are no more impacted than anyone operating in a normal range. I see the right excluding feelings often just  another way of saying morals is a bigger issue. Progressive policy tends to be well balanced and well thought out. It is true that it is mostly more targeted to help people than big business.


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race obsession

Do you mean fairness and equality ?


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misrepresentation designed to shut down discussing anything they disagree with.

See this an awful lot in the right. I don't see it as much with genuine progressives, they will very often have the answers on topic..


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"Binarism"

You mean the right - the Male Female Binary is their game as is the black / white binary ?


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"You are with us or against us" mentality.

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that.

None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left.

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles?



I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice.
What a life.

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life.

Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can.

It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way.

So if progressive is not left - what is it?
Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you?

What?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReasonedUK/status/1630308200451801088

The Progressive: a Bbwianesque, totally confused, incoherent twat.
A duck.

Frank wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What?

Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not.

Interesting that it wasn't always the case. Interesting that Lincoln and Roosevelt were both progressives.

The Lincoln–Roosevelt League was a group of republican progressives.

In current terms the Democrats have a progressive caucus. Interesting anyone can join so the result is that they have many members who are not progressive.

Moderate Democrats is a common name for Democrats who are not progressive - they are also not moderate. They are mostly corporate democrats. They take business bribes and are as legally corrupt as the vast majority of republicans. Progressives do not take corporate donations / bribes.

Corporate democrats include all of the leadership. Biden Harris Jeffries, Nancy etc. None of these are progressive. In corporate terms this group will support virtually all the same policies as the Republicans - they are both legally paid, owned and do the bidding of about the same business groups.

The major focus of Progressives is to remove corruption from politics. Give the power back to the people and take it away from the corporations that hold it today.

I don't see why anyone would prefer corporate corruption to Progressive policy for the benefit of the people.

In short it is the progressives who are really genuinely trying to fight against the swamp. It was never the fake guy from before.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not. Interesting that it wasn't always the case. Interesting that Lincoln and Roosevelt were both progressives. The Lincoln–Roosevelt League was a group of republican progressives. In current terms the Democrats have a progressive caucus. Interesting anyone can join so the result is that they have many members who are not progressive. Moderate Democrats is a common name for Democrats who are not progressive - they are also not moderate. They are mostly corporate democrats. They take business bribes and are as legally corrupt as the vast majority of republicans. Progressives do not take corporate donations / bribes. Corporate democrats include all of the leadership. Biden Harris Jeffries, Nancy etc. None of these are progressive. In corporate terms this group will support virtually all the same policies as the Republicans - they are both legally paid, owned and do the bidding of about the same business groups. The major focus of Progressives is to remove corruption from politics. Give the power back to the people and take it away from the corporations that hold it today. I don't see why anyone would prefer corporate corruption to Progressive policy for the benefit of the people. In short it is the progressives who are really genuinely trying to fight against the swamp. It was never the fake guy from before.

So Robespierre w as a progressive by your reckoning.

They called him The Incorruptible.
Guillotined thousands before he was guillotined himself.  Progress, that.

Progress or corruption:

men are saying they are *actually* women and, powerful institutions are validating that claim.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not.

Most are but most are not??

That sounds like your very own idea, duck.

;D ;D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there.

The right of politics is focused on individuality.
Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence.
Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs.
Small and big businesses are better catered for.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

What is it about anti corruption that is overly about feeling ? How does that make corrupt politics OK because there are no feelings only cash.

Both sides of the political divide are corrupt at times.
This is self-evident and indisputable.

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left. I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such. I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right. Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter.

I have no time for extremists.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. The right of politics is focused on individuality. Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence. Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs. Small and big businesses are better catered for.

Ideals of the past. You could not get much further from the current practise of right wing politics.

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 10:33am:

Progress or corruption: men are saying they are *actually* women and, powerful institutions are validating that claim.

Tools for voting. Synonymous with corruption. Some would say you need a doctorate of non-political type to validate that male fish take up the role of females to help their buddy convince the lady he is good in bed by observation, a phenomenon which happens in human beings, mice (through pheromones) too. Furthermore you're only supposed to gain money off your diploma, not power over states.

Fortunately by now we all know that male lions go together in the bush, though some rare cases will deny it. So it is not necessary to be validated by political parties, because political parties have always been more truthful than other institutions.  :-X

Furthermore, we must listen to Meghan Markle, because besides being a celebrity she has broken the royal family vows to none other than involve herself in political propaganda. Her focus is certainly, the people.

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 2:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:58pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not. Most are but most are not?? That sounds like your very own idea, duck. ;D ;D

Have you ever tried to fix your comprehension issue?

I will try to explain.

Say there are 90 Progressives in the House. of this say that 80 are Democrat and 10 Republicans. (there are not really 10). So most Progressives are Democrat.

Looking at the Democrats where we have about 80 Progressives but there are say 200 Democrats.

In this case most progressives are Democrat (80 to 10) but most Democrats are not progressive (80 of 200). 

Sorry for not keeping to fingers and toes numbering - my bad.

If you look at the progressive caucus you find about 100 members but at least 20 are not progressive likely many more. So these numbers are somewhat close to reality give or take.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:52pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 2:54pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:58pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not. Most are but most are not?? That sounds like your very own idea, duck. ;D ;D Have you ever tried to fix your comprehension issue? I will try to explain. Say there are 90 Progressives in the House. of this say that 80 are Democrat and 10 Republicans. (there are not really 10). So most Progressives are Democrat. Looking at the Democrats where we have about 80 Progressives but there are say 200 Democrats. In this case most progressives are Democrat (80 to 10) but most Democrats are not progressive (80 of 200).  Sorry for not keeping to fingers and toes numbering - my bad. If you look at the progressive caucus you find about 100 members but at least 20 are not progressive likely many more. So these numbers are somewhat close to reality give or take.

How do you know who is progressive?

What are you progressing TO? What is the goal?

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:59pm: What is it about anti corruption that is overly about feeling ? How does that make corrupt politics OK because there are no feelings only cash. Both sides of the political divide are corrupt at times. This is self-evident and indisputable.

At the current time corporate interests have legally bought the vast majority of them. At this time US politicians govern for the benefit of corporate interest. In other words they govern against the best interest of the voters.

At this time the majority of both sides are owned by the same corporate interests and are legally corrupt. They are legally corrupt because the supreme court ruled that it is ok for the corporations to pay the politicians.

The most successful politicians are those who raise the most money (Democrat and Republican) i.e the politicians who take the most corporate donations are the most successful. The corporations do not give donations to politicians who do not make the decisions that they want to be made.

I would say that Boris Johnson the Anglo, Donald Trump the Saxon and Scott Morrison the Protestant were pretty more progressive 'towards Politics' as a priority as the Right.

While Joe Biden the creepiest President, Albanese his leg humping dog and Rishi Sunak the "I'm different" are more progressive 'towards the Media' as a priority as the Left.

So there you have it. Both are very progressive. :D

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. The right of politics is focused on individuality. Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence. Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs. Small and big businesses are better catered for.

It is unfortunate that people who believe should be leaders are encouraged, and corruption and selfishness flourish. But  that has happened under any regime that allowed private business to exist.

"Quote:
race obsession

Do you mean fairness and equality ?"

It's not all rainbows. Can't wait for Steve to explain why this whitewashing of the concept is not fair, to right-wingers.

Is Joe Biden's 'Building Back(wards)' to the good old days as his dementia remembers it an influence on Putin to return to the more powerful USSR days of old?

Is this progressive?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:52pm: "Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality. Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy?

Not sure what you mean, but most of the "progressives" on the website I was on had zero tolerance for anyone who wasn't fully committed to "The Narrative".
If you aren't with them, you are a fascist.
Trying to have an intelligent conversation about climate change is virtually impossible there, for example.
Those on the right and centre were more tolerant of different reason-based opinions.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:40pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:52pm: "Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality. Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy?

Liberalism.  Unorthodox, in its very name.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:40pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:52pm: "Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality. Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy? Not sure what you mean, but most of the "progressives" on the website I was on had zero tolerance for anyone who wasn't fully committed to "The Narrative". If you aren't with them, you are a fascist. Trying to have an intelligent conversation about climate change is virtually impossible there, for example. Those on the right and centre were more tolerant of different reason-based opinions.

We have those here except they like "extreme or alt" right rather than nazi but they do that too in a pinch.

LucyFur wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

I would say I prefer the Centrist set of ideas, but I would think you mean you're not abiding by that but rather are independent in thinking which is the same as Steve. I value the truth as well, above a set of ideas and the lack of abiding by them that usually happens anyway in politics.

I look at every policy independently.
I have no ideological narrative.

Setanta wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm:

We have those here.

Hyperpartisanship on either side is a major problem with politics, unfortunately.

LucyFur wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:21pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. The right of politics is focused on individuality. Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence. Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs. Small and big businesses are better catered for. It is unfortunate that people who believe should be leaders are encouraged, and corruption and selfishness flourish. But  that has happened under any regime that allowed private business to exist.

One of the biggest problems I have with the right of politics is its inherent greed.
I was shocked at the findings of the Royal Commission into the banking industry.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 8:03pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:21pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. The right of politics is focused on individuality. Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence. Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs. Small and big businesses are better catered for. It is unfortunate that people who believe should be leaders are encouraged, and corruption and selfishness flourish. But  that has happened under any regime that allowed private business to exist. One of the biggest problems I have with the right of politics is its inherent greed. I was shocked at the findings of the Royal Commission into the banking industry.

I thought the results were well known and expected, much of it wasn't caught the reality is likely much worse. It cost me a lot of money.

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:52pm: Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 2:54pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:58pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not. Most are but most are not?? That sounds like your very own idea, duck. ;D ;D Have you ever tried to fix your comprehension issue? I will try to explain. Say there are 90 Progressives in the House. of this say that 80 are Democrat and 10 Republicans. (there are not really 10). So most Progressives are Democrat. Looking at the Democrats where we have about 80 Progressives but there are say 200 Democrats. In this case most progressives are Democrat (80 to 10) but most Democrats are not progressive (80 of 200).  Sorry for not keeping to fingers and toes numbering - my bad. If you look at the progressive caucus you find about 100 members but at least 20 are not progressive likely many more. So these numbers are somewhat close to reality give or take. How do you know who is progressive? What are you progressing TO? What is the goal?

In US politics they run as progressive (some lie about it) for example kyrsten sinema ran as a progressive.

Once elected she took the bribes and became a centrist, you know like voting in line with corporations along side Joe Manchin and co in opposition to her party and leaders supposed position. She then even left the democrats.

The genuine Progressives join the progressive caucus, they vote in line with other progressives on progressive issues.

The corporate democrats undermine their elections and do not fund them. They get the blame for anything that goes wrong. They are mostly ignored by the MSM.

In short it isn't rocket science.

Even you know who some of them are.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:58pm: Dnarever wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:52pm: Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 2:54pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:58pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:15pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. Oh?? It isn't,  duck?? Progressive centrists? Progressive conservatives? Progressive pea gobbles? I shouldn't laugh at you but it cannot be helped. You are hopelessly confused. Like a duck on ice. What a life. Do not worry Dear Frank - I know you do the very best you can. It may actually help that you don't know what you are talking about, less damage that way. So if progressive is not left - what is it? Centrist? Conservative? Nuffin to do wiv politics? Just progressive with no actual direction, like a duck? Waddling nowhere particular, like you? What? Currently most progressives are on the left but not all leftist politicians are progressive - most are not. Most are but most are not?? That sounds like your very own idea, duck. ;D ;D Have you ever tried to fix your comprehension issue? I will try to explain. Say there are 90 Progressives in the House. of this say that 80 are Democrat and 10 Republicans. (there are not really 10). So most Progressives are Democrat. Looking at the Democrats where we have about 80 Progressives but there are say 200 Democrats. In this case most progressives are Democrat (80 to 10) but most Democrats are not progressive (80 of 200).  Sorry for not keeping to fingers and toes numbering - my bad. If you look at the progressive caucus you find about 100 members but at least 20 are not progressive likely many more. So these numbers are somewhat close to reality give or take. How do you know who is progressive? What are you progressing TO? What is the goal? In US politics they run as progressive (some lie about it) for example kyrsten sinema ran as a progressive. Once elected she took the bribes and became a centrist, you know like voting in line with corporations along side Joe Manchin and co in opposition to her party and leaders supposed position. She then even left the democrats. The genuine Progressives join the progressive caucus, they vote in line with other progressives on progressive issues. The corporate democrats undermine their elections and do not fund them. They get the blame for anything that goes wrong. They are mostly ignored by the MSM. In short it isn't rocket science. Even you know who some of them are.

Never mind the US. You are not in the US. You are a progressive here.
Stop dissembling like a progressive.



iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

"Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 8:43am:

Never mind the US. You are not in the US. You are a progressive here. Stop dissembling like a progressive. iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. I think I clearly showed earlier that Steve's view is not in the ballpark of progressive in his criticism. It looks a lot like he views the term progressive as interchangeable with the left. [quote]Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth.

Funny that you pick traits synonymous with what is expected from and typical of the right of politics.

The appearance of feelings from the left in reality is emphasised by the complete deficte of feelings from the right. Many see a sensible balance of feelings as a benefit not a weakness. 

Supporters of "Progressive policies," are not necessarily motivated by ideology. Many follow fashion, others are swayed by socio-economic self-interest.

However, the first problem with progressive ideology is the fatuous assumption that having the greater good as the principal, their ideas must be right. This is attended by the conviction that those who oppose such ideas are not democratic political opponents, but enemies.

An important negative attitude is that towards profit. ABC comedians, who fall into the above groups, seem to think QANTAS's recent positive profit announcement was somehow a bad thing. Their attempt at humour, "ABC for all Australians" was a thinly disguised political critique, and a network attack on our fundamental economic system.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:04am:

Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 8:43am: Never mind the US. You are not in the US. You are a progressive here. Stop dissembling like a progressive. iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. I think I clearly showed earlier that Steve's view is not in the ballpark of progressive in his criticism. It looks a lot like he views the term progressive as interchangeable with the left. [quote]Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. Funny that you pick traits synonymous with what is expected from and typical of the right of politics. The appearance of feelings from the left in reality is emphasised by the complete deficte of feelings from the right. Many see a sensible balance of feelings as a benefit not a weakness.

Sooooo....  what's a non-left progressive like today?

issuevoter wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:48am:

Supporters of "Progressive policies," are not necessarily motivated by ideology. Many follow fashion, others are swayed by socio-economic self-interest. However, the first problem with progressive ideology is the fatuous assumption that having the greater good as the principal, their ideas must be right. This is attended by the conviction that those who oppose such ideas are not democratic political opponents, but enemies. An important negative attitude is that towards profit. ABC comedians, who fall into the above groups, seem to think QANTAS's recent positive profit announcement was somehow a bad thing. Their attempt at humour, "ABC for all Australians" was a thinly disguised political critique, and a network attack on our fundamental economic system.

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Supporters of "Progressive policies," are not necessarily motivated by ideology. Many follow fashion, others are swayed by socio-economic self-interest.

Yes but even at 85% it craps on the alternative of being locked into corruption.


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first problem with progressive ideology is the fatuous assumption that having the greater good as the principal, their ideas must be right.

Then you look at it in practise and see that Progressives are the first to consider alternate data and to change their position when they are wrong.

For example look at the Wuhan lab and covid. Many people originally said it had nothing to do with them then the right picked up the idea that the Lab is the source. Many on the corporate left took the opposite position.

The progressive position is that they don't really know but that it does look suspicious, originally they said it likely wasn't related, they reached this conclusion based on the WHO's official position. It was then found that the WHO group that came to this conclusion was stacked with Chinese researchers. Progressives looked at the facts and changed their position.

Your statement is the exact opposite of the truth, there is no political group more willing to admit when they are wrong.

So progressive = what ducky likes.

Peas are therefore progressive.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 11:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:04am: Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 8:43am: Never mind the US. You are not in the US. You are a progressive here. Stop dissembling like a progressive. iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. I think I clearly showed earlier that Steve's view is not in the ballpark of progressive in his criticism. It looks a lot like he views the term progressive as interchangeable with the left. [quote]Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. Funny that you pick traits synonymous with what is expected from and typical of the right of politics. The appearance of feelings from the left in reality is emphasised by the complete deficte of feelings from the right. Many see a sensible balance of feelings as a benefit not a weakness.  Sooooo....  what's a non-left progressive like today?

A polar Bear or maybe a Tasmanian tiger.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

Moit, you are showing your age.  ;)

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not.

The "right" is "a broad church".
The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;)

But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-)

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh..... Moit, you are showing your age.  ;)

R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur?

Grapps is a Pleisosaur. He likes to stick his neck out occassionally.

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:33pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:05pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh..... Moit, you are showing your age.  ;) R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur?

I'm one too.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. The "right" is "a broad church". The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;) But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-)

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right.

The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad.


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The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?

Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.

USA: Power to the Individual (The President)
Aust: Power to the Mass (The People)

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:35pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:33pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:05pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh..... Moit, you are showing your age.  ;) R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur? I'm one too.

You look like a puppy to me. But then again I'm a T-Rex.

LucyFur wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:43pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:35pm: LucyFur wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:33pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:05pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh..... Moit, you are showing your age.  ;) R u sayin we get to tLK to a dinosaur? I'm one too. You look like a puppy to me. But then again I'm a T-Rex.

:o Poor Steve-Steve!

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh..... Moit, you are showing your age.  ;)

Flo made pumpkin scones.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:45pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 2:46pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:50am: Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully. All ideologies are collective - they're all a low-resolution 'one thing to rule them all' - a final word on the vast territory they purport to cover. The air is thin in the stratospheric land of ideology - maybe you can visit, but you can't live there. The right of politics is focused on individuality. Ppl are encouraged to secure their own financial independence. Ppl are encouraged to become entrepreneurs. Small and big businesses are better catered for. Ideals of the past. You could not get much further from the current practise of right wing politics.

We will have to agree to disagree.

LucyFur wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:21pm:

"Quote: race obsession Do you mean fairness and equality ?"

I mean they bring race into most things.

Setanta wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:48pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:40pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 4:52pm: "Binarism" is another feature I have a major problem with. "You are with us or against us" mentality. Can you name an ideology worth being called one that does not bind you to orthodoxy? Not sure what you mean, but most of the "progressives" on the website I was on had zero tolerance for anyone who wasn't fully committed to "The Narrative". If you aren't with them, you are a fascist. Trying to have an intelligent conversation about climate change is virtually impossible there, for example. Those on the right and centre were more tolerant of different reason-based opinions. We have those here except they like "extreme or alt" right rather than nazi but they do that too in a pinch.

The centrist and conservatives tended to be more rational and less emotional on the other website I was on.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:41pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. The "right" is "a broad church". The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;) But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-) Quote: The "right" is "a broad church". The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right. The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad. [quote]The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?

Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed.

Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims.

Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies. [/quote]

I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:41pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. The "right" is "a broad church". The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;) But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-) Quote: The "right" is "a broad church". The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right. The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad. [quote]The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed. Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims. Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies.

I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.
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Even in Australian politics the right leans heavily towards authoritarianism. The US examples stand out more. Progressivism almost does not exist at the top level of Australian politics on either the right or left.

I am not sure if corruption in Australian politics is better or worse but it is certainly better hidden. It may be more dangerous.

Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for


Progressives in a nutshell.

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for Progressives in a nutshell.

The exact opposite of what is true.

If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. The "right" is "a broad church". The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;) But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-)

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The "right" is "a broad church".

The right have claimed to be a broad church for at least 50 years since they were a broad church if they ever were.

The Right currently have 2 factions the MAGA crowd who are neither conservatives of republicans and in fact are RINOs.

And the RINOS who are the failed sorry remnants of traditional Republicans.
Worse than that is the fact that there is no such thing as a religious right, its an oxymoron at best. There is little less religious than the right of politics in any form or in any place.

The term  The "right" is a "narrow sewer" seems more appropriate.

Progressive crusade to bend arc of history

The Australian Law Reform Commission wants section 38 of the Sex Discrimination Act, which allows religious schools to hire those whose lives and ideas accord “with the doctrines, tenets, beliefs or teachings of a particular religion or creed”, to be abolished.

When you lose the freedom to manifest your faith, abide by your beliefs and the liberty to ensure your children are educated in your creed, what is left? The commission is erasing the right of a religious school to organise around its own ethos.

This is an extreme form of laicism, driven by a fierce “progressive” crusade against Christianity. In a multifaith society that means all believers are on this battlefield, as the institutions of government are mobilised against them. Like many things dubbed progressive, it is the latest incarnation of the despotic tendencies of the Bureautoracy (n): the ubiquitous, unelected technocratic blob bent on imposing its notion of utopia on the mob. Its relentlessly mutating dogma has spread like Paterson’s curse through all the institutions.

The child has turned on a parent it does not recognise because the source code of this secular faith is the notion of universal human rights. That idea was born with the belief that each individual is valued by God, an avowedly Christian concept and part of a set of revolutionary beliefs that the early faithful simply called “The Way”.
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As historian Tom Holland demonstrates in his epic work Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind, “To live in a Western country is to live in a society that is utterly saturated by Christian concepts and assumptions.”

It is, of course, a heritage that the zealots of the New Way deny. To them their belief system is self-evident because it just is. It is neutral. It is agnostic. That is a delusion. The New Way exhibits some of the best and all the worst features of a proselytising religion. It looks to uplift, to guide, to build a better, more just world. It is also deeply intolerant of dissent and has established the institutions of inquisition to police heresy, in state and federal human rights commissions...

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What religious institutions don’t want is to be forced to submit to state diktats that deliberately undermine the ethos of their institution. Here let’s recall that the Labor Party pledge demands its members not be a part of any other organisation that is inimical to its ideals. Why shouldn’t religious schools enjoy the same right?


Chris Uhlmann

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/progressive-crusade-to-bend-arc-of-history/news-story/0dbb230e3fa6b1af49fd8a15aa27184b

**coughs** there are certain groups who will not abide by this - meaning the aim is to destroy Western culture including religious belief.  Clearly certain other groups will not accept or even tolerate such a move as this...

Remember, I hold no religious beliefs other than what I call a vague Buddhist/Plains Indian type of 'belonging' to the universe of which we are all part - Anglican/Catholic/Jewish remember - and way beyond any redemption.... and so I speak as an impartial observer.

Law Reform Commission - three lies for the price of one.... it doesn't operate legally under Law (not law)... it never seeks to reform anything, just create new problems from old .... and its only reference to a commission is in its title.....another unelected body that feels some right to dictate...... and you all wonder why I am re-visiting old tracts about the Nazis etc ... those 'leftist' national Socialists ....

If only I could wake you up - make you truly Woke instead of borderline fantasy woke.

Discussing with a 'tranny' last night and he said (wants to be a girl) that some things are not observable under a microscope but only in the mind..... I thanked him for his frank admission that this gender thing is a mind thing and has no physical reality .... he also referred to 'trans women and women', and I thanked him for understanding the difference, and explained that all this meant he was partly on the road to recovery.

I didn't mention the old truism that in head things, there is a chance to cure a psychological issue, but rarely any chance to cure a psychiatric one ... a 'disorder' as opposed to a psychosis.... here was a clear case where early intervention with proper psych procedures may well save a person from the lemming rush to ....

https://i.imgflip.com/8pv428.jpg

**THREE out of three kids over the weekend who wanted to be 'transgender' and argue against my stance admitted to serious underlying issues.....one had a terrible childhood.... one admitted to being autistic .... can't recall the other one off-hand - didn't take notes... and the 'adult' who reckons he has it all in front of him and 'the science' is clear and transgender positive - will NOT accept the challenge to go to one of these review committees and lay down his 'science', by which action he would clearly win the day for transgender ideology... IF that 'science was so solid and irrefutable (not like my Labrador with his Ming The Merciless face - that's Inscrutabre!!) ...

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Dnarever wrote on Sep 19^th, 2023 at 12:35pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am: Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for Progressives in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what is true. If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ?

you are wrong

even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for

they are defined by what they stand against

i was quite impressed

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:01pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:21pm: "Quote: race obsession Do you mean fairness and equality ?" I mean they bring race into most things.

Australia may be off target but remember:

The children overboard lie ?

The offshore solution ?

Turning the boats around?

The Aboriginal intervention?

They were all right wing race based dishonest election strategies.

aquascoot wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 5:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm: Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am: Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for Progressives in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what is true. If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ? you are wrong even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for they are defined by what they stand against i was quite impressed

US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board.

Medicare for all - 70% popular support.

Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters.

expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans

Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans.

Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters.

Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes.

And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy.

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm: Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am: Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for Progressives in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what is true. If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ? you are wrong even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for they are defined by what they stand against i was quite impressed US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board. Medicare for all - 70% popular support. Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters. expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans. Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters. Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes. And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy.

Give us free stuff.  Pwoggwessive, innit.

No. Moronic.

Frank wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on May 13th, 2024 at 5:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 12:35pm: Frank wrote on Sep 19th, 2023 at 11:02am: Study: People who define themselves by what they stand against, are usually afraid to tell people what they stand for Progressives in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what is true. If you were correct then how could you spend so much time complaining about progressive policy ? you are wrong even waleed ali was saying the problem with progressives is they dont have anything they stand for they are defined by what they stand against i was quite impressed US progressive policies are very popular in the community across the board. Medicare for all - 70% popular support. Prescription drug prices (negotiate drug prices)  - 91% popular support. Including 9/10 republican supporters. expanding Social Security 66% support including 2/3 of Republicans Americans favor increasing the minimum wage to a living wage including a majority of Republicans. Three-quarters of voters favor breaking up the Big Banks 2/3 of republican voters. Three-quarters say that the wealthiest and large corporations should pay more in taxes. And on it goes. The opposition to all these things are the corporate Republican and corporate Democrat politicians. The people of the US broadly support progressive policy. Give us free stuff.  Pwoggwessive, innit. No. Moronic.

No surprise Furta that you see removing corruption and providing sensible outcomes as free stuff. You favoured corruption is all about free stuff but just for wealthy people exclusively.

The mainstream corporate politicians are all about government for the few. The numbers show that the people support progressive policies for the people.

The American people do not support the most expensive health system in the world for a poor quality outcome and they don't support the most expensive drugs in the world because of a corrupt system and they don't support the lowest low wages in the western world to subsidise the wealthy few.

Its about fair and reasonable outcomes not free. Free is what the corporate leaners and wealthy currently enjoy - they are bludging on all of us.

If anyone thinks the right have any less of a 'collective' mindset then those on the left, then they're a fool.

Just look at all the 'right' that cheer for a convicted rapist and thief in the usa. Why? Because he's part of their collective. 

All political lemmings have a collective mindset.... the dead set Commos call them 'useful fools/tools' - since they actually despise them as being lesser human beings than they themselves are... as such they are only there to be used until their usefulness is at an end and then dispensed with/disposed of in some way .......

As I've explained about Hitler and the Voice - the Commos have also stated what they will do clearly - why should anyone be surprised when they go about doing it?

Wake Up, Australia!!

iSteveSteve wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:50am:

Things that need to be said at the beginning: -I consider myself to be an independent centrist. -I do lean more towards right-wing politics, but I have issues with both sides of the political divide. -While I am an Australian, I have been posting on an Amerikan political website for years, hence the possibility of more Amerikan-style terminology creeping into my posts. -I intend to create a "Why I have a problem with "Conservative Ideology" sometime down the line. "Why do I have a problem with "Progressive Ideology?" I will keep this short, to begin with. "The collectivist mindset" inherently in that ideology. "The emphasis on "feelings" rather than critical, rational thinking. Perhaps I mixed with an unfortunate left-wing group that lacked integrity and respect for the Truth. I guess I will find out here, hopefully.

Eat a dick you RuZZian disinformation troll.

"Ahhh... Houston - we've had a problem!"

"What is your problem, Apollo Thirteen?"

"It looks like we've had an implosion of the MARLA ... it's spinning wildly... venting into space ......"

"Have you tried to isolate it with the MOTHRA switch?"

"That's affirmative - MOTHRA switch had no effect.... we can't hold it with thrusters....."

"Have you tried repeated thrusts?"

"Affirmative - no response from the MOTHRA... still waiting on a diagnostic report from the MARLA... we can hear moans..... and I see smoke from the upper hatch....."

You know you think you're cool with your silly font and glib anti-everything that isn't right-wing fascism but you're not.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm headed to the WEED STORE. Right after I get gas and some breakfast.

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 1:37am:

You know you think you're cool with your silly font and glib anti-everything that isn't right-wing fascism but you're not. Now if you'll excuse me I'm headed to the WEED STORE. Right after I get gas and some breakfast.

I know you're not serious.  I'm way too old and too square to be cool in any way, and you wouldn't waste your life on weed... that's just a front to protect your sensitive being... you know you're intelligent, articulate and very spiritual in some ways..... weed destroys spirituality... but you know that, and I know you don't use it.

LucyFur wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 5:34pm: I'm a Centrist as well. Although I originated from the Conservative Left. I believe in both the Right and Left working together for a greater good for only a greater good can come of such. I do not like the Extremists be they Left or Right. Those tend to move as far from each other to the point they can't see their opposition for who they are and thus think they are the 'only ones' that matter. Exactly that. Both political divides exist so that they can tell each other when they each screw up.  ;D Extremism such as communism, nazism seems to not even have anything to do with what they stood up for in the first place on the closer to the middle left-wing/right-wing. It's also forced on the population which I don't believe in because where there is variation you cannot oppress the minority, there must be freedom for people even when they go wrong in terms of thinking, and it is better that they learn from their mistakes and do not get killed for thinking and existing: white supremacy and antisemitism. (But for breathing yes.) It is true that racists abide by the right, particularly the extremist right, but then again, normal left-wing people are more selfish in statistics. Right extremism like anti-immigration are not sustainable, people like to have relatives join them sometimes, and for a small population like AUS it wouldn't be an issue, US is a disaster internally, so sewing its borders up would be useless. If either would move to the moon, I betcha people would still want to leave, as well as want to come to live there, it wouldn't make up a crisis situation. Trump should of focused on ruining the false popularity of the US because everybody thinks it's the land of freedom and where dreams come true but it's the poo hole of the world, being worse in some instances than other countries considered such, with the population being not only uneducated regardless of holding the most data and studies online in comprehensive form but also with people who are judgeful and a corrupt system where lying gets you further in life and rich, even in the acting career. Milleniarian conspiracies that the second coming of Jesus is to be expected, when every year they announced it, and where the proof for it as well as religion itself is lacking, as religious extremism. Or the New World Qrder panic propaganda about Jews, Illuminati and the silly Freemasons taking over the world with communist regimes, another form of right-wing extremism that resides in emotionalism and what if it exists, belief based on nothing just like religion.

Wrong..... the current levels(numbers) of immigration to Australia is what is unsustainable.

Bringing numbers back to realistically sustainable levels is not "right-wing extremism".

We can't provide housing for our own citizens ... how can we house nearly 1 million immigrants per year?

Ask yourself is the push for Big Australia via immigration left-wing extremism?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Half-brain politics used to work when people were relatively uneducated - they used to say that Joh... JOH.. you mark my words... used to speak in half ... you know half sentences... well you know... that's how Queenslunders are... because half a sentence was about the most the average Queenslander could understand at a time. Those policies... you know... that's how it goes... they are there... and well they exist .... always for the best... the best for Queenslund!  That says it all!! Umm ... yes, Joh... excuse me SIR Joh.....

;D Now now Graps .... plenty of uneducated hicks  beyond the Blue Mtns/Great Divide in NSW in Johs era as well.

Despite Johs failings he got things done in QLD for QLDers.

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:01pm:

LucyFur wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:21pm: "Quote: race obsession Do you mean fairness and equality ?" I mean they bring race into most things.

Every race bar one

that race is to blame for all the worlds ills

that's self loathing progressive leftism

Dnarever wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:05pm:

iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:10pm: Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:41pm: iSteveSteve wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:44pm: Again you point at the right. Just look at their media beliefs. You see the Rights attitude is that you are with us or against us, A balanced position in the media the right consider to be against them. I don't know why but they have always been like that. None of these things specifically relate to being progressive in fact they belong at least as much if not more to the right and the corporate left. Are you sure that you actually mean progressive ? A lot of the right see progressive as an interchangeable term for the left - its not. The "right" is "a broad church". The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember?  ;) But as I said, I am an independent centrist and see good and bad on either side of the political divide.  8-) Quote: The "right" is "a broad church". The religious right is an oxymoron - there is nothing less religious than the right. The right have claimed to be a broad church for many decades - I don't know that anyone remembers a time when it was actually true. With all its faults the left have always been more broad. [quote]The left has no tolerance for dissent within its ranks. "Collectivism", remember? Look at the Republicans under Trump. Every member had to bow down to his wishes and support his lies. No descent was allowed no competing view was allowed. Everywhere you look you see the political facts dispute these types of claims. Look at the democrats in their last term where at the time Democrats like Sinema and Menchin spent the entire term blocking President Biden's supposed policies. I was talking about Australian politics when I said that.

Even in Australian politics the right leans heavily towards authoritarianism. The US examples stand out more. Progressivism almost does not exist at the top level of Australian politics on either the right or left.

I am not sure if corruption in Australian politics is better or worse but it is certainly better hidden. It may be more dangerous.
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Don't tell me you don't think that the current Labor Govt isn't acting in an authoritarian manner with the decisions they are making for us, the citizens?

Penny Wong/Albanese govt voting for the Palestinians(Hamas & the PLO) inclusion on the UN?

Supporting proscribed terrorist groups instead of abstaining & remaining with the status quo .... they have chosen to cause secular division & encourage anti-Semitism/Jew hating in Australia.

They should be ashamed of themselves and the stupidity of their decision. 

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 1:37am:

You know you think you're cool with your silly font and glib anti-everything that isn't right-wing fascism but you're not. Now if you'll excuse me I'm headed to the WEED STORE. Right after I get gas and some breakfast.

And how cool are you ey?

A progressive pothead with SFA ambition except
to go to the weed store and get high.

Good on ya Towelie

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