Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located.

Question is how many Chinese and Russian agents had access to these docs.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located.

;D


Hunter's Laptop

Brunette Hospital Orderlies like Biden are allowed to steal documents and hide them in his house.

Ranga males like Trump on the other hand...

Unlike the failed former president, Biden’s White House lawyer
Bob Bauer said, “The President and his team are working swiftly
to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to
conduct a thorough review.”

Recall how obstructive Captain Bonespurs was in giving up the
thousands of classified documents—which he initially denied
possessing—that he misappropriated.  Plus it took court-ordered
subpoenas to allow the FBI to raid Mar-a-Lago.

And of course Captain Bonespurs is now under criminal investigation
by a special counsel for taking classified records and other government
documents from the White House when he left office. He's also being
eyed for possible obstruction of justice by stonewalling efforts by
government officials to recover those documents.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:42pm:

Unlike the failed former president, Biden’s White House lawyer Bob Bauer said, “The President and his team are working swiftly to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to conduct a thorough review.” Recall how obstructive Captain Bonespurs was in giving up the thousands of classified documents—which he initially denied possessing—that he misappropriated.  Plus it took court-ordered subpoenas to allow the FBI to raid Mar-a-Lago. And of course Captain Bonespurs is now under criminal investigation by a special counsel for taking classified records and other government documents from the White House when he left office. He's also being eyed for possible obstruction of justice by stonewalling efforts by government officials to recover those documents.

It's apples and oranges.

Trump committed a crime:

Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  Check.  Stole them after he lost the election.

With the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location?  Check.  Said they were his and had no intention of giving them back.

Moreover, he has confessed to doing this several times.

Open-and-shut case: he committed the crime.  We just need to see if he'll be charged.

But with Biden:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

With the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location?  No.  As soon as they were discovered he arranged for them to be returned, plus he collaborated with the FBI & DOJ in order to carry out further searches designed to locate and return any other documents that were still in his possession.

Apples and oranges, people.  You're clutching at straws.

More like Orange Trump eh Peccary
...and Biden the Lemon.  ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information".

"Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”"

https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshell-classified-documents-story/

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority. That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP.

He removed them when he was VP.

He removed them when he was an elected representative.

There is no crime there.

Plus, in order for it to be a crime he would have to have also had intent to retain them - he didn't.

He hasn't committed a crime, whereas Trump has.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority. That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information". "Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”" https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshell-classified-documents-story/

The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office.

Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview..

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

More like Orange Trump eh Peccary ...and Biden the Lemon.  ;D

The only slight difference is that Trump literally is Orange and Biden isn't lemon. Seems consistent for you.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority. That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information". "Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”" https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshell-classified-documents-story/ The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said.

Exactly.

But at the time they were removed, he did.

However, for the sake of the argument, let's just say that he removed them when he did not have authorisation - that's still not a crime.

There are two parts to the crime (the numbers in brackets were put in by me):

Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

(1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2).

That's why the word "and" is inserted into the legalisation.

It's not one or the other - it's both, and Biden clearly has no intention of retaining the documents.

They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home.
They found a big black dildo at Biden's home.
At least Biden took one for his wife and said it was his. ;D

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:46pm:

They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home.

What about Ivanka's?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MepkrmDIl28/maxresdefault.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office.

So now it is he didn't know he had classified documents. ::)


Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview..

That depends on when the documents date from. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:46pm: They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home. What about Ivanka's? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MepkrmDIl28/maxresdefault.jpg

They were safe in Donald's pocket.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:37pm: The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office. So now it is he didn't know he had classified documents. ::) Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:37pm: Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview.. That depends on when the documents date from. ::)

Lee, please pay attention:

For the sake of the argument, let's just say that he removed them when he did not have authorisation - that's still not a crime.

There are two parts to the relative legislation (the numbers in brackets were put there by me):

Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

(1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2).

That's why the word "and" is inserted into the legalisation.

It's not one or the other - it's both, and Biden clearly has no intention of retaining the documents.

Thus, no crime.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:37pm: lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority?  No.  He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority. That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information". "Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”" https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshell-classified-documents-story/ The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. Exactly. But at the time they were removed, he did. However, for the sake of the argument, let's just say that he removed them when he did not have authorisation - that's still not a crime. There are two parts to the crime (the numbers in brackets were put in by me): Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.” (1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2). That's why the word "and" is inserted into the legalisation. It's not one or the other - it's both, and Biden clearly has no intention of retaining the documents.

Quote:

But at the time they were removed, he did.

He was O/S when they were discovered and removed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:45pm:

(1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2).

So there was no intent, he merely forgot about them. Didn't know he had them. His memory is so shot he can't have intent. That about sums it up. ::)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:50pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:46pm: They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home. What about Ivanka's? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MepkrmDIl28/maxresdefault.jpg They were safe in Donald's pocket.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SillySlushyDungbeetle-max-1mb.gif

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:37pm: The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office. So now it is he didn't know he had classified documents. ::) Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:37pm: Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview.. That depends on when the documents date from. ::)

Quote:

So now it is he didn't know he had classified documents. ::)

No it was always that he didn't know he had the documents - as soon as they were aware of the documents they were returned. The story was never anything different.


Quote:

That depends on when the documents date from.

It is close to 100% that the documents were from when he was VP. Nobody has said anything different from this.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: (1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2). So there was no intent, he merely forgot about them.

Yes (see if you can find a lawyer who can prove otherwise).

And when discovered, he handed them straight back.

Quote:

FBI raid turns up more stolen docs

As is typical the title is a lie.

There was no FBI raid. The Biden team found the documents and returned them.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:01pm:

Quote: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs As is typical the title is a lie. There was no FBI raid. The Biden team found the documents and returned them.

Indeed.

And then Biden and his lawyers collaborated with the DOJ & FBI in order to carry out a more thorough search.

The FBI were invited in, and the documents weren't stolen so yeah, the thread title is a complete fabrication.




Hunter's Laptop 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:01pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: (1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2). So there was no intent, he merely forgot about them. Yes (see if you can find a lawyer who can prove otherwise). And when discovered, he handed them straight back.

This is the case here.

The bit I don't like about it is that it seems to apply to Presidents and x Presidents. The woman arrested for mishandling documents and locked up for 3 years had zero intent but this expectation does not apply so much to non politicians.

For normal people it is do the crime do the time - no excuses. not even ignorance.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located. Question is how many Chinese and Russian agents had access to these docs.

Yer as lying piece of dog crap Steampipe. There was no raid by the FBI.

There was a pre-arranged mutually consensual voluntary search.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:01pm: lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:57pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: (1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2). So there was no intent, he merely forgot about them. Yes (see if you can find a lawyer who can prove otherwise). And when discovered, he handed them straight back. This is the case here. The bit I don't like about it is that it seems to apply to Presidents and x Presidents. The woman arrested for mishandling documents and locked up for 3 years had zero intent but this expectation does not apply so much to non politicians. For normal people it is do the crime do the time - no excuses. not even ignorance.

She only got three months but yeah, I get ya.

Make no mistake, this is bad for Biden - he (or his team) was unacceptably careless.

But Biden's is a political issue, and Trump's is a legal one.

Trump broke the law (that's not even up for debate anymore - he committed the crime), whereas Biden was just extremely irresponsible.

Hopefully this will result in stricter security (give these guys a library card, FFS).

I wonder if Obama and Bush are "tidying up" their garages this weekend   ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:01pm:

And when discovered, he handed them straight back.

That's why it was the FBI who found them in his garage.

So one lot from when he has an office at the Uni and another at home that he completely forgot about. And you think it a good thing. ::)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:01pm:

There was no FBI raid. The Biden team found the documents and returned them.

The FBI found classified documents in his Class 6 (similar to Australia's Class A) classified garage.That sounds like a raid. ::)

Of course being "voluntary" probably means Biden's team didn't expect anything to be found. ::)

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:01pm: And when discovered, he handed them straight back. That's why it was the FBI who found them in his garage. So one lot from when he has an office at the Uni and another at home that he completely forgot about. And you think it a good thing. ::)

Read my previous post.

"Make no mistake, this is bad for Biden - he (or his team) was unacceptably careless."

"... Biden was ... extremely irresponsible."

But Biden's case is political and Trump's is legal.

Trump committed a crime, Biden did not.

Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different.

It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:01pm:

Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents.

Yes.  A collaborative search.

Biden invited them in.

The total is about 30 documents now.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:44pm:

Trump committed a crime, Biden did not.

Keeping classified documents insecurely is a crime. ::)

Poor old dementia Joe can't recall classified docs.

Aussie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:09pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 12:01pm: Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located. Question is how many Chinese and Russian agents had access to these docs. Yer as lying piece of dog crap Steampipe. There was no raid by the FBI. There was a pre-arranged mutually consensual voluntary search.

FBI searched Biden's home and found more classified documents, his lawyer says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-home-search-classified-documents-department-justice-1.6722258

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:44pm: Trump committed a crime, Biden did not. Keeping classified documents insecurely is a crime. ::) Poor old dementia Joe can't recall classified docs.

Put him into a rest home.    ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now.

The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home when they have staff that are paid to do that type of work. I can understand him inviting them over for a meal or even to a book signing but out of the blue he invites the FBI to come over and search his home.

Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, All you have to do is invite the FBI to search your home and if they find anything then obviously you didn't know it was there.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home when they have staff that are paid to do that type of work. I can understand him inviting them over for a meal or even to a book signing but out of the blue he invites the FBI to come over and search his home. Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, All you have to do is invite the FBI to search your home and if they find anything then obviously you didn't know it was there.

Quote:

The FBI do collaborative searches now,

They always have.


Quote:

Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches,

Yes - it isn't uncommon.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home when they have staff that are paid to do that type of work. I can understand him inviting them over for a meal or even to a book signing but out of the blue he invites the FBI to come over and search his home. Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, All you have to do is invite the FBI to search your home and if they find anything then obviously you didn't know it was there.

Does that include a close look at the panty drawers?


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/579/158/original/c68ba5aee365b141.jpg

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home ...

Not the only thing you're struggling with though, surely.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:44pm: Trump committed a crime, Biden did not. Keeping classified documents insecurely is a crime.

Can you quote/cite the piece of legislation that makes it a crime?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:38pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home when they have staff that are paid to do that type of work. I can understand him inviting them over for a meal or even to a book signing but out of the blue he invites the FBI to come over and search his home. Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, All you have to do is invite the FBI to search your home and if they find anything then obviously you didn't know it was there. Quote: The FBI do collaborative searches now, They always have. [quote]Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches,

Yes - it isn't uncommon.[/quote]

You don't get it do you.

Why would you invite the FBI, Biden has paid staff that take care of his documents, Why would you use the FBI to find documents in your home, were they secretly stashed in places that Biden could not find, did he have drawers that he didn't know were there. What could a FBI agent find that a paid professional office manager could not find in his own office.  Biden needs to sack some of his staff if they don't know what documents should or should not be in his home.

But I don't believe Biden "invited them" that's just a bit too far out there to be real.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:38pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home when they have staff that are paid to do that type of work. I can understand him inviting them over for a meal or even to a book signing but out of the blue he invites the FBI to come over and search his home. Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, All you have to do is invite the FBI to search your home and if they find anything then obviously you didn't know it was there. Quote: The FBI do collaborative searches now, They always have. [quote]Do the general public get the same deal on these collaborative searches, Yes - it isn't uncommon.

You don't get it do you.

Why would you invite the FBI,

[/quote]

They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing.

That's why.

Cut out the middle man.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:43pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home ... Not the only thing you're struggling with though, surely.

Correct, there is also if the FBI are invited to search your property who specifies where to search, did they search all Biden's house and take hard drives and ask for all CCTV.

Why would the FBI be a lapdog and accept an invitation to search part of a house and only look where they are told to look. Is this the type of control the Dems have.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Can you quote/cite the piece of legislation that makes it a crime?

So you don't believe it? Can't find it? ::)

"(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

A garage at home is NOT an authorised location. Unless of course you intend to mean that Joe Biden had no intent as he is non compos mentis. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:50pm:

They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man.

All Biden needed to do was have his staff go through his office and archives and return any documents that were classified.

Why did he invite the FBI, the FBI are not office assistants that help sort out your documents.

I know you will buy this but to others its a bit strange.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:44pm: Can you quote/cite the piece of legislation that makes it a crime? So you don't believe it? Can't find it? ::) "(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924 A garage at home is NOT an authorised location. Unless of course you intend to mean that Joe Biden had no intent as he is non compos mentis. ::)

I appreciate your effort, but you didn't read it properly.

First, Biden had authority to remove the documents and secondly, he had no intention to retain them (he gave them back).

Pay close attention to the word "and".

Even if, for the sake of the argument, he did intend to retain them in an authorised location it's still not breaking that particular law.

Why not?  He had authority to remove them.

Again, I urge you to pay particular attention to the word "and", highlighted.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:50pm: They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man. All Biden needed to do was have his staff go through his office and archives and return any documents that were classified. Why did he invite the FBI, the FBI are not office assistants that help sort out your documents.

They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing.

That's why.

Cut out the middle man.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:04pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:50pm: They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man. All Biden needed to do was have his staff go through his office and archives and return any documents that were classified. Why did he invite the FBI, the FBI are not office assistants that help sort out your documents. They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man.

Then they are being played as fools, firstly the first batch of stolen documents were found in Bidens office back in November last year, then the FBI did not get involved. More stolen documents turned up in his garage and the FBI wait another couple of weeks for an invitation to search his home.

They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing, wow they really know what they are doing don't they.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:03pm:

First, Biden had authority to remove the documents and secondly, he had no intention to retain them (he gave them back).

But he did retain them. In an insecure garage.  And of course the "at least a locked closet". ::)

Retain: To keep possession of; continue to have: synonym: keep.


greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Even if, for the sake of the argument, he did intend to retain them in an authorised location it's still not breaking that particular law.

He retained then in an UNauthorised location... a GARAGE. ::)

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 5:03pm: First, Biden had authority to remove the documents and secondly, he had no intention to retain them (he gave them back). But he did retain them. In an insecure garage.  And of course the "at least a locked closet". ::) Retain: To keep possession of; continue to have: synonym: keep. greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 5:03pm: Even if, for the sake of the argument, he did intend to retain them in an authorised location it's still not breaking that particular law. He retained then in an UNauthorised location... a GARAGE. ::)

Yes.

But he didn't break the law because he had authority to remove them.

Again, you must look at the word "and".

There are two parts to the crime - it's not two separate crimes.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 5:04pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:50pm: They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man. All Biden needed to do was have his staff go through his office and archives and return any documents that were classified. Why did he invite the FBI, the FBI are not office assistants that help sort out your documents. They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing. That's why. Cut out the middle man. Then they are being played as fools, firstly the first batch of stolen documents were found in Bidens office back in November last year, then the FBI did not get involved. More stolen documents turned up in his garage and the FBI wait another couple of weeks for an invitation to search his home. They're the ones who ultimately oversee this sort of thing, wow they really know what they are doing don't they.

No stolen documents have been found.

Not a single one.

Biden had authority to remove them.

When you have authority to take something, that's not theft - it's the exact opposite, in fact.

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 3:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:01pm: There was no FBI raid. The Biden team found the documents and returned them. The FBI found classified documents in his Class 6 (similar to Australia's Class A) classified garage.That sounds like a raid. ::) Of course being "voluntary" probably means Biden's team didn't expect anything to be found. ::)

What sort of cock head garbage is that?

You are telling me that a voluntary consensual invitational mutual seeking and find expedition suddenly becomes a 'raid' because of the nature of what might be found?

Idiot.

Aussie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:35pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 3:01pm: There was no FBI raid. The Biden team found the documents and returned them. The FBI found classified documents in his Class 6 (similar to Australia's Class A) classified garage.That sounds like a raid. ::) Of course being "voluntary" probably means Biden's team didn't expect anything to be found. ::) What sort of cock head garbage is that? You are telling me that a voluntary consensual invitational mutual seeking and find expedition suddenly becomes a 'raid' because of the nature of what might be found? Idiot.

They're clutching at straws, that don't exist.

"raid: a rapid surprise attack ..."

Mr. Biden invited them in, and they were there for 13 hours.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 4:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:43pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:14pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 4:01pm: Apparently there was a search done with the FBI yesterday and found a few more documents so this is different. It still wasn't a raid. They are saying another 6 possibly classified documents. Yes.  A collaborative search. Biden invited them in. The total is about 30 documents now. The FBI do collaborative searches now, is this in keeping with the new woke movement. I'm struggling to find sense in someone inviting the FBI to come and search their home ... Not the only thing you're struggling with though, surely. Correct, there is also if the FBI are invited to search your property who specifies where to search, did they search all Biden's house and take hard drives and ask for all CCTV. Why would the FBI be a lapdog and accept an invitation to search part of a house and only look where they are told to look. Is this the type of control the Dems have.

They had full access for a long time to search wherever they wanted to look. They are going to search other properties this has already been agreed to.

When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime.

When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime.

TDS gone mad again.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:24pm:

When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again.

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When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime.

They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue.

After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw.

Don't you know Steampipe.
It's not who's right or wrong.
It's who has the deepest pockets.

...makes you wonder where the Democrats get all their money from, eh? ;)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw.

How did they know Trump had documents?.

This will stump you won't it.

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

Don't you know Steampipe. It's not who's right or wrong. It's who has the deepest pockets. ...makes you wonder where the Democrats get all their money from, eh? ;)

Kids' cancer charities?

Oh, no - that was Trump.

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Donald J. Trump was forced to pay more than $2 million in court-ordered damages to eight different charities for illegally misusing charitable funds at the Trump Foundation for political purposes.

Why do you love this alleged child rapist so much, JaSin?

Are you a criminal too?

You condone stealing from kids' cancer charities - that makes you about the lowest form of life on Earth.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:39pm:

But he didn't break the law because he had authority to remove them.

At what point in time did he remove them? At what point in time did he forget about them? Did he "intend" to leave classifies documents in "at least a locked closet" in a building he no longer used? ::)


greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 5:39pm:

There are two parts to the crime - it's not two separate crimes.

And you haven't even proven one is not true. ::)

Aussie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

What sort of cock head garbage is that?

The sort to which you respond so well. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Aussie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

You are telling me that a voluntary consensual invitational mutual seeking and find expedition suddenly becomes a 'raid' because of the nature of what might be found?

It depends how"voluntary".  ::)

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 5:39pm: But he didn't break the law because he had authority to remove them. At what point in time did he remove them? ::) greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 5:39pm: There are two parts to the crime - it's not two separate crimes. And you haven't even proven one is not true. ::)

He removed them when he was VP, and he has voluntarily returned them.

Game, set, match!

No crime here old boy.

I suggest you take a course in learning how to interpret legislation.

Always, and I must stress this, always look out for the words 'and', 'shall', and 'may'.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:37pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw. How did they know Trump had documents?. This will stump you won't it.

No

This may surprise you but when they asked for documents to be returned it was because they knew that certain documents were missing. When some documents were returned the documents they expected were not all there. They also had Trump employees as witnesses who told the FBI that there were more documents.

An example of an expected documents that was not returned were the Xi Jinping love letters.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:01pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:47pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:37pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw. How did they know Trump had documents?. This will stump you won't it. No This may surprise you but when they asked for documents to be returned it was because they knew that certain documents were missing. When some documents were returned the documents they expected were not all there. They also had Trump employees as witnesses who told the FBI that there were more documents. An example of an expected documents that was not returned were the Xi Jinping love letters.

Stuck together, so I believe   :-/

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:01pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:47pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:37pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw. How did they know Trump had documents?. This will stump you won't it. No This may surprise you but when they asked for documents to be returned it was because they knew that certain documents were missing. When some documents were returned the documents they expected were not all there. They also had Trump employees as witnesses who told the FBI that there were more documents. An example of an expected documents that was not returned were the Xi Jinping love letters.

You do have some correct information but you have still mixed it up with media lies.


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TRUMP: A Trump representative told NARA in December 2021 that presidential records had been found at Mar-a-Lago, nearly a year after Trump left office. Fifteen boxes of records containing some classified material were transferred from Mar-Lago to NARA in January. https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-trump-side-by-side-fb2c4ebccdbdbb9039c1c5e227b1da53

Trump notified the NARA that he had documents and returned them.

The FBI went to Mar-Lago and inspected where the documents were held and advised Trump to put a lock on the door which Trump complied with.

After the inspection the FBI said that they did see some classified documents and then produced a search warrant to seize them. Even though they had access and did not take the files when they inspected the property.

Pure politics by the FBI. Just like Mueller ended up with egg on his face and his reputation destroyed for a few pieces of silver this is going to cost the FBI more than reputation.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:37pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw. How did they know Trump had documents?. This will stump you won't it.

Because there was a snitch in Humpty's camp. 

Why are you trying to re-write history?

Link.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:57pm:

He removed them when he was VP, and he has voluntarily returned them.

And  between the time he was VP and his election to President? He had no right to any classified documents. As he said in that video.

Game over.


greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:57pm:

I suggest you take a course in learning how to interpret legislation.

Since you don't know anything about me; that's laughable. Tax Office legislation. ::)

Some of these classified documents they just found date back to Bidens time as a Senator which he had no right to have.

I wonder how many more they will find
:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

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lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:57pm: He removed them when he was VP, and he has voluntarily returned them. And  between the time he was VP and his election to President? He had no right to any classified documents. As he said in that video. Game over. greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:57pm: I suggest you take a course in learning how to interpret legislation. Since you don't know anything about me; that's laughable. Tax Office legislation. ::)

The word "and" - do you know what it means?

I'm curious.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:15pm:

Some of these classified documents they just found date back to Bidens time as a Senator which he had no right to have.

He had authorisation as a senator.

You're not very good at this, are you dear?

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:57pm: He removed them when he was VP, and he has voluntarily returned them. And  between the time he was VP and his election to President? He had no right to any classified documents. As he said in that video. Game over. greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:57pm: I suggest you take a course in learning how to interpret legislation. Since you don't know anything about me; that's laughable. Tax Office legislation. ::)

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And  between the time he was VP and his election to President? He had no right to any classified documents.

He is now president and has the same mind powers as Trump had when he was president ? You would assume that all these documents are now declassified - no ?

The problem for Trump is not that he had classified documents at his golf club....It is the fact Trump and his Lawyers claimed they had handed over all the documents which a search proved to be false, despite Trump being given the opportunity to return the documents voluntarily....Trump's whole life has been about denial and obstruction....There is a patern of corrupt behaviour from Donald Trump that is being exposed and acted upon at last???

:) :) :)

Trump: Has declassification authority
Biden: Had ZERO declassification authority

Trump: One SECURE location
Biden: Multiple UNSECURE locations

Trump: National Archives was aware
Biden: National Archives wasn't aware

Yes, there's a difference.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Trump: Has declassification authority Biden: Had ZERO declassification authority Trump: One SECURE location Biden: Multiple UNSECURE locations Trump: National Archives was aware Biden: National Archives wasn't aware Yes, there's a difference.

Mr Trump was an ex-prez when he refused to hand back government records, dear.

What, do you think we're all as dumb as that?

Every schoolboy knows.

You?

Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 8:01pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:47pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:37pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 7:24pm: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. When Biden finds documents and notifies NARA its not a crime. TDS gone mad again. Quote: When Trump finds documents and notifies NARA its a crime. They knew Trump had documents and asked for them to be returned. Trump refused to comply with the requests and then refused to comply with the subpoena. Eventually he returned a few documents. After being chased further he returned a few more. Trump then declared that there were no more document. A search warrant proved this to have been untrue. After the warnings Trump confirmed that all documents were in the basement room, Trump then had some of the documents  re located in an attempt to hide them. Trump claimed there were no more document when everyone knew that there were. Some of the documents were found in Trumps desk draw. How did they know Trump had documents?. This will stump you won't it. No This may surprise you but when they asked for documents to be returned it was because they knew that certain documents were missing. When some documents were returned the documents they expected were not all there. They also had Trump employees as witnesses who told the FBI that there were more documents. An example of an expected documents that was not returned were the Xi Jinping love letters. You do have some correct information but you have still mixed it up with media lies. [quote]TRUMP: A Trump representative told NARA in December 2021 that presidential records had been found at Mar-a-Lago, nearly a year after Trump left office. Fifteen boxes of records containing some classified material were transferred from Mar-Lago to NARA in January. https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-trump-side-by-side-fb2c4ebccdbdbb9039c1c5e227b1da53

Trump notified the NARA that he had documents and returned them.


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;D ;D ;D

Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search.

It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:22pm:

Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved.

Yep, that's right.  No raid.  No stolen documents.

Here's a good explanation from an American attorney, a former U.S. Army prosecutor, and an NBC News/MSNBC legal analyst.

https://youtu.be/2gwUomiEgqw

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:22pm:

Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved.

And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::)

Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen.

He had authority to remove them.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30

So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?.

Weird question.

He had the authority to remove them, and then he forgot he still had them after all those years.

It's not acceptable that he forgot, and it needs to be fixed, but it's not a crime.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?.

It isn't exactly rocket science Steamy one.

He obtained the docs when he was VP. ( the VP was entitled to the docs) Someone likely packed the docs when he left office without his knowledge. You know what Trump could have said but didn't.

When he was VP he was entitled to have the docs. The other option would be that he broke into a secure facility after he left office and stole them. Note: this didn't happen.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:25pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?. It isn't exactly rocket science Steamy one. He obtained the docs when he was VP. ( the VP was entitled to the docs) [b]Someone likely packed the docs when he left office without his knowledge[/b]. You know what Trump could have said but didn't. When he was VP he was entitled to have the docs. The other option would be that he broke into a secure facility after he left office and stole them. Note: this didn't happen.

That raises more questions then.

He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people, is that protocol for handling classified documents, they are supposed to be secure, you make it sound like he didn't care who had access to these files.

Not just once either its about 5 different places and the last lot was six boxes.

Once is irresponsible but 5 times is criminal negligence.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:25pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?. It isn't exactly rocket science Steamy one. He obtained the docs when he was VP. ( the VP was entitled to the docs) [b]Someone likely packed the docs when he left office without his knowledge[/b]. You know what Trump could have said but didn't. When he was VP he was entitled to have the docs. The other option would be that he broke into a secure facility after he left office and stole them. Note: this didn't happen. That raises more questions then. He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people, is that protocol for handling classified documents, they are supposed to be secure, you make it sound like he didn't care who had access to these files. Not just once either its about 5 different places and the last lot was six boxes. Once is irresponsible but 5 times is criminal negligence.

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That raises more questions then.

No it doesn't.


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He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people

They would have been cleared government employees.

The major difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump deliberately took the documents Biden didn't.

Trump refused to return the documents for the best part of 2 years. Biden had the documents returned as soon as they were identified.

Trump lied about the documents he held and tried to hide them leading to a search by search warrant being issues as necessary to recover the stolen documents. Biden offered full access to the DOJ to conduct searches.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:50pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:25pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?. It isn't exactly rocket science Steamy one. He obtained the docs when he was VP. ( the VP was entitled to the docs) [b]Someone likely packed the docs when he left office without his knowledge[/b]. You know what Trump could have said but didn't. When he was VP he was entitled to have the docs. The other option would be that he broke into a secure facility after he left office and stole them. Note: this didn't happen. That raises more questions then. He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people, is that protocol for handling classified documents, they are supposed to be secure, you make it sound like he didn't care who had access to these files. Not just once either its about 5 different places and the last lot was six boxes. Once is irresponsible but 5 times is criminal negligence. Quote: That raises more questions then. No it doesn't. [quote]He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people

They would have been cleared government employees.

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So you don't know who packed them or who had access to them but you know they were security cleared.

I bet you also know that Hunter never access all these classified documents laying around his fathers house when he was getting millions from Burisma and millions from Chinese investors. Of course buying a genuine Hunter painting for $500,000 was purely for the art.

Hunter's laptop    ;D

Steampipe wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:25pm: Steampipe wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 6:22pm: Turns out that the search of Biden's home was done after Biden instructed his team to ask if the DOJ would like access to search. It has been confirmed that there was no warrant involved. And they keep finding more documents at Joe's places every day.    ::) Yes, which is highly embarrassing for him, but they aren't stolen. He had authority to remove them. 0   30 So he did not know he even had the files, yet you know he had the authority to remove them. How does that work?. It isn't exactly rocket science Steamy one. He obtained the docs when he was VP. ( the VP was entitled to the docs) [b]Someone likely packed the docs when he left office without his knowledge[/b]. You know what Trump could have said but didn't. When he was VP he was entitled to have the docs. The other option would be that he broke into a secure facility after he left office and stole them. Note: this didn't happen. That raises more questions then. He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people, is that protocol for handling classified documents, they are supposed to be secure, you make it sound like he didn't care who had access to these files. Not just once either its about 5 different places and the last lot was six boxes. Once is irresponsible but 5 times is criminal negligence. Quote: That raises more questions then. No it doesn't. [quote]He allowed classified documents to be handled by unknown people They would have been cleared government employees.

So you don't know who packed them or who had access to them but you know they were security cleared.

I bet you also know that Hunter never access all these classified documents laying around his fathers house when he was getting millions from Burisma and millions from Chinese investors. Of course buying a genuine Hunter painting for $500,000 was purely for the art.


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Eat Fish.

Some say it can kick start the brain.

People working in the Presidents and vice President office are required to handle secret documents and have clearance. The people who work in government office moves etc would also regularly come in contact with sensitive documents and would also have clearance.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:00pm:

Hunter's laptop    ;D

Now now, Greggery, why aren't the Deep State fake news media reporting on that?

I ask you. What's Tucker Carlson trying to hide?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:18pm:

Eat Fish. Some say it can kick start the brain. People working in the Presidents and vice President office are required to handle secret documents and have clearance. The people who work in government office moves etc would also regularly come in contact with sensitive documents and would also have clearance.

These documents were not stored in government offices, these documents were moved around by unknown people, you know like anyone.

Steampipe wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:02am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:18pm: Eat Fish. Some say it can kick start the brain. People working in the Presidents and vice President office are required to handle secret documents and have clearance. The people who work in government office moves etc would also regularly come in contact with sensitive documents and would also have clearance. These documents were not stored in government offices, these documents were moved around by unknown people, you know like anyone.

Just so. You know, like anyone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/25/chinese-trespasser-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-resort-sentenced.html

Chi-na, if you're listening...

;D ;D ;D


When you found out that the FBI found more document at Bidden premises, what fiur letter word did you use??



https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1617658198298853376

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1480206342740664323/Z8u5VdNO_200x200.jpg

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

;D ;D ;D When you found out that the FBI found more document at Bidden premises, what fiur letter word did you use?? https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1617658198298853376 https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1480206342740664323/Z8u5VdNO_200x200.jpg

I say, old boy. I, for one, was absolutely appalled.

The FBI searching through our first lady's panty drawers? Whatever has become of our once proud country?

I believe Bobby has the photo of the transvestite FBI agents who conducted this diabolical search.

Dirty little inverts, innit.