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Title: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:13am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzojkZJ2Zc

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:31am

Wait for the rush of blood to the head - the clowns coming in about troops..... adventure is somebody else having a hard time 2000 miles away...

Send in the troops, swear them in as special constables, and turn 'em loose.

Long term solutions? Well - it ain't in the 'voice'... we've already seen the kind of thing that happens when you have 'sovereign people' who reckon they are not bound by the laws of this land but can pick and choose.... you know - driving on Aboriginal rego, refusing to produce ID.. refusing a breath test...crying at the cop that he has no jurisdiction and they'd make a complaint to their boss - well an Inspector showed up... he didn't charge the cops ... threatening the cop but not being charged... jeez - how would you do doing that **....so I guess that idea nutted out over a VB case or two just didn't wash ...

Escalation says that first they declare their 'independence'... then slowly but surely the 'need' arises to enforce that... before you know it little old ladies will be defending home and hearth with their small white dog as backup ...

BTW - that 'sovereign person' didn't get bail... Coffs is the bottom edge on the map of the FEBA up there.. up north is increasingly Mau Mau country... stay on the highway....

** how do you reckon you'd go offering to go one on one with an arresting officer.....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:34am

The call is for the Army to send troops to put boots on the ground

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:47am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZU-ZJw50o

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:55am

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:34am:

The call is for the Army to send troops to put boots on the ground

My point is that simple civilian right of arrest etc is insufficient, and thus swear them in as special constables. Been over the situation in which the military can intervene in civilian matters - in this case it's a sort of half-way solution.... bringing them in to reinforce and support with the next level of police powers above simple citizen - but all are still bound by the law of the land. They won't be shooting looters on sight or anything.... just exercising the right to arrest and defend self.

Not quite the Iranian Embassy .... yet......

Damn - we need a Guantanamo Bay here somewhere... spirited off on a midnight dark in a black stealth helicopter..... handed over to a group of REAL elders for sorting out... maybe up in Capoyorki Aboriginal Province organised by the Pale Ass Chick (Anastasia the Unspellable so we'll go for phonetic spelling) in Queenslund for the Abos.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:58am

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:47am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZU-ZJw50o

Mau Mau country - it's a brushfire war zone up north of Coffs to the border and then out West.... sovereign people with no allegiance to the Crown etc...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:58am

Listen to this

Why is nothing being done?

https://www.2gb.com/get-your-arse-into-gear-ray-hadley-slams-pms-lack-of-urgency-in-alice-springs/

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:53pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:57pm

Ah - the grand old days - the empire knew how to handle 'em!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345aojByoGk

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:00pm

Alice Springs, a town on the edge of its wits

Daylight home invasions, car theft, vandalism and the constant threat of physical violence have made the CBD a no-go zone, plagued by out-of-control youths, often drunk.

The figures tell the story: a 25-50 per cent surge in assaults, domestic violence, home invasions and commercial break-ins in the past year alone. At least 300 people arrested in the town of 25,000 in the past seven weeks. Many of the perpetrators are Indigenous; so are many of the victims.

Todd Mall, once a thriving hub of Indigenous art galleries, restaurants, pubs and cafes is now a collection of dozens of boarded-up and shuttered shops.

Before Covid the town was heaving with backpackers; some businesses would have five to 10 backpackers a day looking for a job. Now, it is rare to see a single tourist.

Homes are being raided by youths armed with edged weapons including machetes, hunting knives, axes, tomahawks and sharp “number seven” boomerangs.

Locals – Indigenous and non-Indigenous alike – point to young men and women who have come to the town from “out bush”, fuelled by alcohol, as the cause of much of the recent trouble.

At 2pm, a steady stream of customers start entering the dozen or so bottle shops scattered around town. Sitting on stools at the entrance of one of the more popular stores in the heart of the town are two police officers, one sipping from a can of Coca-Cola.

Entering the store, one officer inconspicuously turns on his bodyworn video camera before asking The Weekend Australian: “Are you buying any alcohol for anyone?” Where will you be drinking? Who are you with? Where are you staying?” before we’re granted permission to proceed further into the store.

Takeaway liquor venues made a show of trying to limit sales on Thursday, banning the sale of bottles one litre or larger.

That simply prompted locals to buy two 700ml bottles instead of the single litre they had initially planned.

When The Weekend Australian visited a bakery on the town’s outskirts, almost every customer who entered had been affected in some way by the violence.

Owner Darren Clark has had his home, car and business broken into or damaged 36 times in the past 18 months. “We’re scared of the violence, we are scared to go to sleep overnight, to lay in our beds, we’re scared to go out to the CBD, to be in our cars,” he said.

“It’s only a matter of time before we have tragedies here and the repercussions of that, who knows what happens.”

Mr Clark said community issues were being brought into the town, with street fights occurring to settle disagreements from different regions.

“This is not a racial problem in this town, this is a behavioural problem,” he said. “It’s just a few that are making this bad, people coming in from the communities, they’re not coming in for the right reasons. They’re coming in to drink and drink excessively.”

Mr Clark said the violence had escalated since the Stronger Futures laws lapsed, making alcohol legal in many Aboriginal town camps for the first time in 15 years. “At the moment, I’ve never seen anything like it – it’s bad.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/alice-springs-a-town-on-the-edge-of-its-wits/news-story/1290f52d2d884b4e3d27357e4f266106

Smug, lying, poncy Bbwian's response? Wha'eva....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm

And what would be your solution, Soren? No, no cattle cars to the final solution is allowed. What would you do about this problem or are you like Matty, only too willing to criticise but never willing to offer a solution? The military isn't available and even if it was, they have limited powers in an "Aide to the Civil Power," situation. Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 4:56pm

Oh - it's ok to drag Civilians away to be enslaved by conscription for stupid military wars it can't fight for itself.
But the Military suddenly can't get involved in 'civilian' stuff?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 4:58pm

It's high time Albo paid The Alice a visit, he might get a bit of perspective of what is going on out there, his lifting of the alcohol ban on Boongs is crippling this place and many others.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:01pm

What the Aborigines are doing,
has worked for blacks in Africa.
The Whites are fleeing in droves.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:50pm

The locals want help but Albo doesn't seem to know Alice Springs exists, he is a piece of sh!t and he has caused the increase in crime and drinking etc there, it will get a lot worse.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:56pm

Boris wants Brian to come with his tank and sort Alice Springs out on Invasion Day Jan 26th. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:02pm

Cordon and search - detain the suspects of military age etc ... detain 'em until they are cleared... then put 'em in the strategic hamlets in CapoYorki New Aboriginal Province in Queenslund... a.k.a. The Homeland ... see how they go when they home invade some big ol' elder's house or beat up on some old lady in the tribe and take her purse ........

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:03pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:50pm:

The locals want help but Albo doesn't seem to know Alice Springs exists, he is a piece of sh!t and he has caused the increase in crime and drinking etc there, it will get a lot worse.

Yeah - but Rule TOB applies - They're Only Blacks... and any white stupid enough to live way out there is a token black anyway .....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:50pm:

The locals want help but Albo doesn't seem to know Alice Springs exists, he is a piece of sh!t and he has caused the increase in crime and drinking etc there, it will get a lot worse.

Yeah - but Rule TOB applies - They're Only Blacks... and any white stupid enough to live way out there is a token black anyway .....

The Alice is going down, it's an Abbo stronghold now, they can have the shithole, see what the stoneage peoples can do with it.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

So your yawning and tut-tutting and limp wristed enervated whatevering is a solution, you smug, lying, shitehead? Really? Tut tutting and ' answer my question first, fd' is your solution, you insufferable old prick?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sophia on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:08pm

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:13am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzojkZJ2Zc

That’s not a good thing to happen … I had heard a little about it but didn’t realise how bad it was.
If there’s no control or proper consequences for the feral terrorising action of a few… then obviously police or law or abiding citizens have no control…

Apart from Alice Springs cries for help… what’s the solution?
Seems in Victoria we had a tough show of red back police, shields, horses, rubber bullets and armour vehicles against peaceful protestors…

Why hasn’t Alice Springs? Where’s their “strong city” for show of public control?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, still no solution from you, Soren? Such a poor immigrant you are, what exactly have you ever contributed to make Australian society a better place? Nothing at all it seems.

Me? I wasn't aware that I needed to propose a solution, as I wasn't being asked for one, Soren. However, I'd suggest that perhaps a complete ban on alcohol in the NT for all members of the public, black and white, might be a start. Then perhaps a reinforcement of the tribal authority structures that colonialism have demolished? With perhaps some punishments being handed out by some tribal police? That might have some affect. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Silly fvkkwit.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:24pm

Sophia wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:13am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNzojkZJ2Zc

Red flares go up all along the front at The Alice..... and nobody responds..... the divisional artillery has packed up and run.....

You KNOW you're not allowed to touch the Noble indigenous.... what if they died in custody? What if one attacked a cop and was shot down like a dog?

Albo is a SNAG of the worst possible kind.... protected species like his Abo mates... never seen one thing nasty in his whole pharken life, and this is what runs our country..... living the dream while others live the nightmare brought about by their action and inaction.... Machiavelli would have been proud of this lot... and it will only get worse, not better, under the likes of Minns, Perrotet, The Pale Ass Chick (Queen Sland Of the North) and Demonic Dan Destroyer Of Worlds... and who is that clown in South Australia just working on a State Voice?

All frankly insane (apologies to Frank).

Ruddinski thought The Apology would be the end of it - I warned at the time that it would merely open the doors... and I TOLD YOU SO!

While dividie... sweet little dividie ...bless her butter cheeks.... carries on about the evils of Western reasoning with its robust independence and personal and national sovereignty (the latter the basis of every part of the UN that dividie loves to feel will make things Heaven On earth), and condemns that as long as it's a White 'privilege' ........... the moment we get an Albogator in the swamp to lift the ban on Aboriginal personal sovereignty over their use of alcohol ... he sails in with all guns blazing and tears down the wall and gives their personal sovereignty free rein..... and they piss all their money against the wall in traditional fashion and down goes all around them.... white or black or anywhere in between... and especially their kids learning the ancient trades of thievery and violent standover and terrorism.....

And these clowns rave about the 'ideology' of 'the right' who feel they have a right to make or break on their own efforts and merits.... and feel at the same time as liberating their chosen ones, that everyone else would be far better served by a despotic and controlling society....

One day my grand-children's children will look back on this era and I trust they do not, for one moment, imagine I had anything to do with it.... but that I fought it tooth and nail...

You know what's behind all this? What I have labeled 'wars of national inferiority complex' - in this case it is not the aim of the Abo 'nation' to actually win and march down Constitution Avenue in Cambrastan - they KNOW they can never achieve that - but they fully intend to rub Whitey's face in the mud for being clearly so superior as to bring them peace, law, easy access to food and healthcare, cash to live on, housing, and all the other goodies and by proxy tell them 'their way' was hopelessly inadequate and even wrong.... it's got nothing to do with their 'living in poverty' since they can fix that with some effort - and a bloke living on the beach with a house etc up on the Ning Nang Nong Coast is far better off than some poor Whiteboy paying rent and trying to attend Uni in a city with no family (been there) - it's got everything to do with sticking it to Whitey at any and every chance....

And it IS all about colour ...... and social group (call it race if you wish)..... not about real issues.

Childish in reality....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:36pm

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Silly fvkkwit.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Jealousy, Soren? Much better to work with people than to subject them to even greater oppression. Their society has been destroyed and we haven't replaced it with anything that works. Such a silly sausage, Soren, such an immigrant. Remember you flew here, I was born here and I want my society to be fixed, unlike your repressive wish to wreck everything. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:48pm

IoJu
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Silly fvkkwit.

It is all your making, silly fvkkwit. I have nothing to do with how you fvkked up the Aborigines for genererations, smug, lying Irish fvkkwit. Why did you do it? I didn't.

I migrated into the shite you made, cockwomble. I didn't make it.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

How about you? What's your solution? All waffle.

All you've got is piss & moan about discrimination when policy like Stronger Futures which banned alcohol & introduced a cashless debit card.

You can read the same reports & see the video evidence, yet to you it's not happening albeit because it's not happening to you.

In the stupidity of your tsk tsking & tut tutting with the use of the racist/bigot card you are a enabler & condoner of all the crime, violence , DV, rape, murder & child sexual abuse occurring in remote communities and larger towns like Alice Springs.

You're just a sanctimonious hypocritical old tosspot.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:49am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What a load of bullshyte Bwyan. Just your wet dream about the noble savage ey?

Condescending/patronising hogwash from an old Wet.

It's been tried before .... it doesn't work.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:51am

Johnnie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:50pm:

The locals want help but Albo doesn't seem to know Alice Springs exists, he is a piece of sh!t and he has caused the increase in crime and drinking etc there, it will get a lot worse.

Yeah - but Rule TOB applies - They're Only Blacks... and any white stupid enough to live way out there is a token black anyway .....

The Alice is going down, it's an Abbo stronghold now, they can have the shithole, see what the stoneage peoples can do with it.

Where are all you Whiteys going to go?
The Blacks and Yellows are taking over your Lands and Cities. More CCP Chinese in Sydney than any other group of people. Brownies (Moslems/Jews) everywhere also.

...no more room for Whiteys. Where do you Whiteys belong? Maybe join NASA and flee like chickens to Mars?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:52am

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What a load of bullshyte Bwyan. Just your wet dream about the noble savage ey?

Condescending/patronising hogwash from an old Wet.

It's been tried before .... it doesn't work.

Noble Savage?

What a lie and delusion - they rape murder and eat children - and still do.

Noble?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:56am

Aborigines call for help in Kalgoorlie from all the violence from drunken/drugged White People, a lot from over-payed unionised workers in the Mining Industry that sells its exploited resource from sacred ground to help build the CCP War Machine.
Kalgoorlie has just as high a crime rate of substance abuse and violence as Alice Springs. Whities on the rampage.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:01am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:56am:

Here's the opposite side of the Bwyanesque coin..

another dose of BS from a brown nose, leaner & scab.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:07am

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:01am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:56am:

Here's the opposite side of the Bwyanesque coin..

another dose of BS from a brown nose, leaner & scab.

Hey there Yankee-Union boy. Who said I'm from the other side? I merely point out both sides of any coin to those who only see just one side.
There are more than just one right answer to a problem.

Not my fault if Yankee-doodle-Unionists like yourself over-pay a bunch of losers who piss their money up against the wall in their spare time because they are in themselves nothing more than 'scabs' on this country. Kinda sums up the Unionised Worker - always a bundy-card for the beer down at the Wharfs wasn't it Gonads? ;) Yeah - real top quality workers. ;D Piss-heads.

...hows all those ice-junkies working in your glorious Sheep and Shearing Industry going Gonads? Even Backpackers are afraid to work in that industry - fear of all your Unionised junkies.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am

Calling for help in Alice sounds like the Colonial Free Settlers with their Freedom Right to own a gun and shoot the Tasmanian Aborigines demanding that the British Troopers come in a lend a hand for Genocide (HG Wells: War of the Worlds).

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:13am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:07am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:01am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:56am:

Here's the opposite side of the Bwyanesque coin..

another dose of BS from a brown nose, leaner & scab.

Lot of Aboriginals work in the sheep & shearing industry scab ..... have another go Bozo.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:14am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am:

Time to change hands tosser. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:15am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am:

Go to Alice Springs and enjoy being with people who rape murder and eat children

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:16am

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:14am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am:

Time to change hands tosser. ;D

When a Yobbo and Wanker want a girl.
The Wanker guy will get her.
Both of them are equally ugly.
But the Wanker hides it better.
-T.I.S.M
;D ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:18am

Boris wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:15am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am:

Go to Alice Springs and enjoy being with people who rape murder and eat children

White people do that in Kalgoorlie.
Go back to the early 70's and beyond and you will find that most domestic violence was drunken Whiteys bashing their subordinated wives, molesting children and if they could - probably eat them along with their 'Pub' culture watering holes.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:21am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:18am:

Boris wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:15am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:12am:

Go to Alice Springs and enjoy being with people who rape murder and eat children

Not at the same rate - not even close

Aborigines are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent crimes.

Go to the Alice and enjoy being with your special people you love so much

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:25am

I think you descendents from the Free Settler Colonialists are just gutless wonders afraid to admit that the Aborigines are just a reflection of who you are and what you have brought to this country.
Your undisciplined 'freedoms' and right to own guns and genocide the aborigines has brought you nothing but backlash.

Calling in the British Troopers to do your dirty work - won't work.
The violence and crime in Alice is just a reflection of who you white people are. Like attracts like. You get what you deserve.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:30am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:25am:

You "white people" - are you being racist?

Dream on fool

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:35am

'You' white people, as opposed to 'us' white people.
You Americanised Free Settlers as opposed to us British and Convicts.

Us Convicts may have committed crimes in Britain - but we know you Americans have committed the crimes here with your 'Freedoms'.

Suck it up - you deserve everything you get from the Boongs.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:12am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:35am:

So that some how excludes you? How's that?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:20am

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:12am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:35am:

So that some how excludes you? How's that?

Yes it does.
Sorry - but yankee unionists are not privy to secret Sahulian business. ;)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:31am

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:12am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:35am:

So that some how excludes you? How's that?

Yes - quite a few here think that they have 'made peace' with the Uprising of the Mau Mau here, and figure that all the things demanded with menace from everyone else aren't demanded of them and they will somehow float above all the carnage... nobody attacks good guys, eh?

All these people were nasties..... clearly ... or they wouldn't be there, right? No 'good person' has anything to fear from anyone, right?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59am

Well the Wiradjuri never attacked the Suttor Family out Bathurst way during the Wiradjuri war against other Whites who thought it ok to take land from the Wiradjuri and shoot any 'blacks' who took potatoes in return.
Maybe the Suttor Family were just 'nice people'?
While all the other 'colonists' were being attacked because the Colonists thought shooting 'blacks' was the only way to get ahead in this part of the world. The Suttor Family were not attacked.

That photo Grapps - shows Jews in striped pj's mingling with primitive germanic peoples of Europe of whom they converted to the ways of the Middle-Eastern 'civilisation' with all things Politics/Military/Religion.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:01am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59am:

Being fattened up for the last... bet they slept with loaded guns by the beds....

Recall which was the cart and which the horse? Who started the fighting... you know.. is this..... like ... the same as the Appin Massacre? Sixteen settlers including women and children killed before a punitive expedition cornered the perps and killed fourteen of them in a fight? You know.... Truthtelling.... we know it hurts ...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:02am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:01am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:59am:

Being fattened up for the last... bet they slept with loaded guns by the beds....

Fear is the mind-killer Grapps.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:08am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathurst_War

Doesn't sound like a pure white on black to me..... fear may be the mind-killer - but it also keeps you alive. Anyone who says he doesn't feel fear is a liar or a madman.

Clearly you are trapped in the 'white men did it all' phase of non-reasoning..... and choose to overlook the extreme provocation that lead to most retaliatory actions against Aborigines.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:36am

Of course White Men did it all.
The world knows that 'evil' will soon be eradicated from this world as Whitey Males and Darky Females are slowly out-bred from the Sapien Tree like a broken branch of primitive birth defects.
The writing is on the wall for you lot Grapps.
The future will be indeed for the Black Grooms and White Brides.
You cast your stone the moment you sacrificed your White masculinity through Jesus.

The Darkie Man and White Woman 'rise' to the future.
While Whitey Man and Darkie Woman 'falls' into the past.

Hell Grapps. You Whitey Men still can't colonise this part of the world properly - even after 235 years. ;D ;D ;D ;D
(You still suck American di*ck for 'protection' too ;D ;D)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:09pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:36am:

Gentleness and forebearance in not wiping out the Darkie totally should never be mistaken for inability or for softness... that's where you lot always go wrong..... push far enough and I fear that all you will do is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve... a few around the globe could learn that.... and soon will the way they are carrying on...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:19pm

Look for parallels....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT-cJC4EKAo

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:49pm

Deal with the bastards according to tribal law - flog them, spear them, kill them. That's all they understand.
None of this white man's bollocks about emancipation or any of that whitey hooey. Speak to them in the language of Aboriginal justice.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:51pm

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Deal with the bastards according to tribal law - flog them, spear them, kill them.

That's right, folks - Frank is encouraging murder.

I'm pretty sure that what he did there is a crime.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 8:07pm

Alice is a war zone and the elders are sending out their kids to do their dirty work while they drink until they drop, fkk them, fkkn bludgers.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:51pm

Boris wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:52am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

And what would be your solution, Soren? ... Mmmmm? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Not yawning and tut-tutting like an enervated geriatric Bbwianesque cockwomble, stuttering 'whateva'.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Soren. No solution. Oh, well what have we come to expect from an immigrant. Remember, you flew here, Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

What a load of bullshyte Bwyan. Just your wet dream about the noble savage ey?

Condescending/patronising hogwash from an old Wet.

It's been tried before .... it doesn't work.

Noble Savage?

What a lie and delusion - they rape murder and eat children - and still do.

Noble?

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sophia on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm

I’ve been wondering… why our Government has allowed this to happen … on purpose? Made as an example of why we should be feeling safe in our over policed “strong cities”?

It’s come to this… on our bucket list is a Ghan train trip to Alice Springs and also Ayer’s Rock…

Should I avoid this place now?
Maybe I could ask the travel agency later this week.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:47am

Sophia wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Because Labor hates white people

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31am

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:36am:

You're a dill ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:57am

Sophia wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Read the reports.... The Ghan train whilst in the Alice along with Railway workers in the rail yards have been pelted with rocks and assaulted on many occasions.

It's not just happening in Alice Springs either - Tennant Creek, Katherine & Darwin.

This site has been posted before - have a look before you decide.

https://www.facebook.com/Action-for-Alice-2020-111304870409274/

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:36am

500. Traditional Punishments or Responses. Aboriginal traditional punishments can take a wide variety of forms, depending on factors such as the locality, the sex, status and previous history of the wrongdoer, the sex, status and conduct of the victim and of the person(s) required or expected to respond, the community’s perceptions of the seriousness of the offence and the surrounding circumstances, and the extent of (and concern about) external intervention.[109] Traditionally they might have included:

death (either directly inflicted or by ‘sorcery’ or incantation[110])

spearing (of greater or less severity) or other forms of corporal punishment (eg, burning the hair from the wrongdoer’s body)

individual ‘duelling’ with spears, boomerangs or fighting sticks

collective ‘duelling’ (including specially structured encounters such as the makarrata or minungudawada)[111]

shaming or public ridicule

more rigorous forms of initiation or teaching

certain arrangements for compensation (eg through adoption or marriage)

exclusion from the community (eg to a particular outstation or another community, or more rarely, total exclusion).[112]

Some of these punishments are harsh and may be thought repugnant, although it should be said that they occurred within communities with few other means of disciplining their members (such as community work, fines or gaol), in which there were well-established means of moderating conflict or deterring excessive violence, and in which the ability to withstand pain and hardship was both a necessity and an acknowledged virtue.[113]

https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication/recognition-of-aboriginal-customary-laws-alrc-report-31/21-aboriginal-customary-laws-and-sentencing/aboriginal-customary-laws-and-the-notion-of-punishment/

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sophia on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00am

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:57am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm:

I looked at the fb site and it’s appalling all the savage damage done on a wide scale.
Looks like these turned-feral-teens etc are allowed to get away with it …. repeatedly!

As an exercise out of curiosity… I will still go into a travel agency to see what they say when I enquire about Ghan trips there.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:18am

Wouldn't it have been nice if those arseholes that screamed racist everytime an abo was disciplined actually took these troubled youths in and gave them a home?
Instead they tuned society to not act towards abos for fear of society being labelled racist. They held society to the times of yesteryear, when attitudes were extremely different to that of today's world, which in turn has granted us this cluster bugger we have here today.
How has that helped us at all?

Fair enough you want the best for them but if they're playing up then they're playing up.
Go in, take the little bastards from their child abusive parents and get them sorted.
Foster homes, boarding schools etc, hell, even the homes of these arseholes I speak of above, as they are part of this problem.
It's the only way the pattern is going to be broken, otherwise these little turds are going to procreate and spin the poor me wheel again.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:27am

They just want a job guarantee as nurses, teachers, cooks.

https://www.news.com.au/national/violence-in-alice-springs/video/c0e664df6261086fb9a0901e959c5b2d

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:31am

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:57am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Mau Mau Country - the Race War is on and most of you missed it....

Mau_Mau_002.jpg (37 KB | 12 )

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:33am

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:36am:

You're a dill ::)

Hey thanks Gonads.
Didn't realise that part of the problem why you Whiteys can't get your sh*it together after 235 years regarding colonisation where you can't even figure out the real Australia Day - I think a good part of it is because of Unions and Strikes (bludging for a pay rise, not working for a pay rise).

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:35am

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:27am:

They just want a job guarantee as nurses, teachers, cooks.

https://www.news.com.au/national/violence-in-alice-springs/video/c0e664df6261086fb9a0901e959c5b2d

Bloody White Baptists and Buddhists... always at it...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:37am

Sophia wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:57am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 10:11pm:

They want your money - you won't get any warning or travel safety information about what's going on in Alice Springs & other places on that route from them.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:47am

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:33am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:36am:

You're a dill ::)

The 26th of January is the "real" Australia Day phukknnuckle.

What would a leaner & scab who can barely hold down a job for more than a few weeks or months know about working for a pay rise?

And if you're currently on the dole then who's the bludger? Still being a leaner on the taxpyers of the country.

If you're not an Australian citizen - you've said before you were a kiwi you're a bigger leaner/bludger.

Quote:

Don’t rewrite history
VIKKI CAMPION
IF YOU are ashamed of Australia Day, don’t take a day in lieu to reflect the
holiday you don’t believe in.
Federal Labor has joined academia and enlightened corporates to tell
bureaucrats they can opt to “work” Australia Day if the occasion triggers
them and claim a day in lieu when airfares are on sale.
While Albo claims it’s “fine to have some flexibility”, Australia Day has
now been cheapened to an extra day off for academics, corporates and
bureaucrats, guilt-tripped into a mythical misnomer of what the day
represents, righteous about an erroneous view completely out of historical
context.
We should acknowledge a terrible, suppressed history but should not
commit the counter-crime of forgetting the truth of the man behind it,
whose remarkable tenacity birthed a free nation.
Thursday is not, as some
activists will tell you, the day when Captain Cook invaded Botany Bay but
the anniversary of Governor Arthur Phillip’s landing, who enlightened
beyond his contemporaries, actively sought Indigenous advisers, trade and
enforced law for convicts and Aboriginals to live harmoniously.

Australia Day is not, as some activists claim, a day that has been only
celebrated since 1994 but has been marked every year since Phillip arrived
with convicts and a garrison to guard them, woefully underresourced.

As far back as 1818, government labourers were given a day off and “one pound of fresh meat” as a “just tribute to the memory of that highly
respected and meritorious officer”.

To run down Australia Day, is to suggest we have nothing to be proud of in
the nation that we have created, that has given refugees a home and takes in hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. If you cheapen Australia Day to an extra day off for the laptop class, you forget Governor Phillip
who raged against the tide of the times of how Indigenous people were
treated in every other part of the globe during unrelenting colonisation. Or
you can rewrite history to get a day off when the airfares are cheaper.
Don’t let your triggered freebie get in the way of your hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Nemo on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57am

Some people suggested that ending the Cashless Debit Card would lead to an increase in drunken violence.

I reckon the proof is in the pudding. :-[

Or course, Albo will never think of sending in the ADF or AFP to settle things down, so we are stuck with this chaos it seems. ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:03am

The Voice will fix it all, don't you worry about that.

And Linda, of course, she's the Minister, innit.

Tribal war in Alice
https://mobile.twitter.com/australian/status/1617303296645136384

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:17am

I notice the sign says "Pool Rules" - is that the local pool?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:29am

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57am:

Section 119 of the Constitution.

But the NT Gov must ask - but they never will

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:32am

Of course the reason why the Abos do what they do is because your darling Media of whom you all suck up to now via Biden and Albanese - lets them do it. Peccary is there singing "You're a white supremacist racist if you do anything about it!" with his guitar.

Don't expect King Charles to do anything for you about them. He's about to tell Australia to bugger off for good and take back the Union Jack off your Flag - which you all stole.

The Americans (via the Media) will tell you to suck it up and take it like an extended international version of 'their' American Confederate South. I mean - do you think Albanese has the balls to tell the USA (Media) where to go?

Face it. You're all a bunch of Whingers and Whiners who do nothing but whinge and whine like a Unionised Scammer for another pay rise in the personal pocket. (Yep - the Union was in bed with the American Company in getting rid of the more expensive Australian Contractors in Chicken Sexing and bringing in cheap Asian alternatives via back-packer visas because they make good Union members).

Not one of you have admitted that the reason the Abos do what they do in a negative fashion is because the MEDIA undermines everything else that gets in the Aborigine way (Black way) and undermines Politics itself.

The Media put in a dopey President and you are all to blame for voting him in upon the Media's desire.

You are all to blame for the Aborigine violence - because you all do what the Media says and the Media undermines anything that would get in the Aborigine way of violence.

The Aborigines are NOT the problem.
The Media is the problem - but you're all too stupid like Dopey Joe Biden and gutless like Albasneezy to do or say anything about it.

Remember, your Darling Media Representative here Mr Peccary calls you all White Supremacists for exhibiting disdain for all the Aborigine violence.
You all take it up the arse by the Media. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:42am

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:32am:

And who do you take it up the arse from you leaner & scab?

Franklin Patrick Herbert Jr. ?

He's a Yank .... oh the irony ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am

Whos' the Scab?
Never worked a job that needed a Union.
Unions are associated with sh*it jobs. Just look at the beloved colonial darling Union industry of Shearing - nothing but junkies. Even backpackers wouldn't work that loser job. ;D

Dirty filthy Yankee Union - supports the American working way of life. Didn't want to pay the Australian Contractors their more expensive rate, so they brought in cheap Asian labour (half the quality too) because Contractors don't need Unions and cheap Asian labour makes good Union members.
The only SCAB on this part of the world is the Unions.
Going on strike not to work for a pay rise,
rather than working better for a pay rise.

Take your yankee-doodle Unions Gonads and f*uck off to where you belong. ;D ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:57am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am:

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

I have.
Even told them why they look so miserable and why they're always short staffed and in the case of the Firies - dependent upon volunteers and in the case of cops - why no-one likes them and they find it hard to socialise outside of work and after it.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:00am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am:

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

Federal government followed closely by the state gov and local councils.
Biggest unions in the country.....and not a word about their conditions ever get brought up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:02am

How's that Colonial all-Australian patriotic industry of Shearing going for you Gonads? Real Unionised quality stuff - but hey, money in the pocket eh? ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:03am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:00am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am:

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

Federal government followed closely by the state gov and local councils.
Biggest unions in the country.....and not a word about their conditions ever get brought up.

Yup - closed shops - make up their own conditions and pay...

Xavies has no idea that any pay rates he copped for not being a UM were there only because of the Union work to get them... otherwise he'd be on coalface piece rates without conditions. Go for it with your average rapacious nursing home owner who reckons their efforts are worth a few mill a year and you're worth ten durrah one hour part time casual on call 24/7/365-366....

He is THE argument for having different pay scales for Union members v non-members. If the Union pays for and gains a pay rise, non-members should be excluded from it and forced to negotiate alone.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:17am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:00am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am:

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

Federal government followed closely by the state gov and local councils.
Biggest unions in the country.....and not a word about their conditions ever get brought up.

Yup - closed shops - make up their own conditions and pay...

Xavies has no idea that any pay rates he copped for not being a UM were there only because of the Union work to get them... otherwise he'd be on coalface piece rates without conditions.

He is THE argument for having different pay scales for Union members v non-members. If the Union pays for and gains a pay rise, non-members should be excluded from it and forced to negotiate alone.

Agreed.

I would have no problem with removing holidays and sick entitlements from those that dispise unions.
They can negotiate their own way, and if their boss feels like moving the goal posts, again, I could not care less. Let them fight their own battles outside of their work hours.

Problem in this country is if it were to go down that road, our gov would step in and fill up the bank accounts of those that were effected.

As for working in an industry that does not require unions.
That's cool, but they should have no entitlements like holidays and sick pay, leave loading, overtime etc.
That is the true industry that doesn't need unions.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:35pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:17am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:00am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am:

Go tell it to the nurses, the cops, the firies and the ambos.... strongest Unions in the country.

Federal government followed closely by the state gov and local councils.
Biggest unions in the country.....and not a word about their conditions ever get brought up.

Yup - closed shops - make up their own conditions and pay...

Xavies has no idea that any pay rates he copped for not being a UM were there only because of the Union work to get them... otherwise he'd be on coalface piece rates without conditions.

He is THE argument for having different pay scales for Union members v non-members. If the Union pays for and gains a pay rise, non-members should be excluded from it and forced to negotiate alone.

Now you are off topic. graps doesn't like that...though he too is off topic.

The Alice was - and could be - a lovely town.

Step one requires reducing the long-term unemployment which adds resentment to the perception of cultural displacement among blacks.

in association with a temporary reduction in availability of alcohol, until responsible drinking can be inculcated.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:52pm

Alice Springs is like a Union.
All 'non' (union) Aborigines cop a belting and have their businesses ransacked.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

Liar liar pants on fire

You worked in hospitals ey Bed Pan boy?

That's a workplace where employees enjoy the benefits won by Unions.....

or did you work for free?

A more relevant statement from you would be -

"never worked a job long enough".

Nothing can change the fact that you take or took Union won workplace wages & conditions without contribution.

And if you're currently on the dole you are still taking a Union won social security safety net.

Going by the info you've proffered it's you who should f/**k off to where you belong coz it aint here.

Scab/Leaner.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

Liar liar pants on fire

You worked in hospitals ey Bed Pan boy?

That's a workplace where employees enjoy the benefits won Unions.....

or did you work for free?

A more relevant statement from you would be -

"never worked a job long enough".

Nothing can change the fact that you take or took Union won workplace wages & conditions without contribution.

And if you're currently on the dole you are still taking a Union won social security safety net.

Scab/Leaner.

No. You are right. My mistake.
I should have said, never worked a job where I needed to join a Union. You are right - Nursing does have a Union.
But I never went on strike. But hey, I sure did love sleeping with many a lovely fellow worker. ;) I mean, who needs a union for that, eh - gay gonads. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

Don't forget to look over your shoulder when you're back pedaling, you may trip & do yourself an injury.....

do you have private health insurance or would you be looking at making a Workers Comp claim?

You know coz Workers Compensation is also a Union won benefit.

Just yell out I've got an extension ladder so you can get out of that great hole you've dug for yourself. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:29am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57am:

Section 119 of the Constitution.

But the NT Gov must ask - but they never will

Section 119 of the Constitution - "The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic violence." It assumes that the Commonwealth will intervene to prevent "domestic violence" becoming a problem for the nation. This rests on the idea that "domestic violence" consists of "local uprisings, insurrections or internal unrest within a state". The unrest in Alice Springs is well within the power of the state, the Northern Territory, to quell or control. The commonwealth is constrained from calling out the troops, because it requires a request from the State to do so. Thus far it is a long way from "aide to the Civil Power," being required. Matty is as usual panicking and seeking the most oppressive means at his disposal to put down Indigenous people for Racist reasons. He does not value Indigenous Australians as anything other than, "untermensch". As the powers of the military are no greater than those of ordinary citizens, unless martial law has been applied. The military dislikes the idea of policing as a consequence. It is what the Police at there for, not the military. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:29am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57am:

Section 119 of the Constitution.

But the NT Gov must ask - but they never will

Good post, except for the highlighted.

The NT govt. does NOT have the capacity to finance the necessary measures to increase employment, reduce chronic alcoholism, and invest in social housing.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

You should go there and be with your special people

https://twitter.com/australian/status/1617303296645136384

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

Yes, but almost all thinking people, the police included, agree you can't arrest your way out of the problem.

So...give us some other ideas.....?

The NT govt. does NOT have the capacity to finance the necessary measures to increase employment, reduce chronic alcoholism, and invest in social housing.

The Commonwealth does.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:33pm

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

You should go there and be with your special people

https://twitter.com/australian/status/1617303296645136384

Did you even watch this?

See the man almost murdered with a wheel brace

Your special people you want in charge

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

Nonsense.

jobs in Alice Springs NT
775 jobs–Page 1 of 25
https://au.jora.com/j?sp=homepage&q=&l=alice+springs

These ferals are not homeless, either.

Also,
TERRITORIANS are the most heavily policed in the country, with about eight officers for every 1000 people.16 Aug 2022
https://www.ntnews.com.au › news-...
NT Police ratios highest in the nation, yet Territorians still feel unsafe

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

The answer is shotgun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suzm8thg13M

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:42pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

Did you just give me a death threat like a grub Gonads?
(C'mon - fess up like a real tough guy).

Only plebs go on worker's comp.
No-one hires someone with a worker's comp history. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:46pm

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

The answer is shotgun

Thanks for your 'offering'..... and for exposing your ideology.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:50pm

If only we changed Australia Day, it would all be fine. I blame Captain Cook and Arthur Phillip. They have made poor Aborigines what they are today. And we are no better. White people in capital cities are the cause. Not tinted immigrants, just the whites.

And look into your hearts. If we were Aborigines we would all neglect and abuse our children, too, make them roam the treets and night, we would all get pissed by 10 am and have running fights all day with each other, steal, rob, invade houses. It's only natural.

Tsk, tsk ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:55pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:50pm:

If only we changed Austra Day, it would all be fine. I blame Captain Cook and Arthur Phillip. They have made poor Aborigines what they are today.

Good point (allowing for the sarcasm).

Like the voice, changing the date won't change anything on the ground for blacks.

Any other solutions....?

Boris has suggested extermination, I'm hoping you have more 'constructive' ideas.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:50pm:

If only we changed Austra Day, it would all be fine. I blame Captain Cook and Arthur Phillip. They have made poor Aborigines what they are today.

Deportation to Xinjiang, Gansu and Ningxia work and re-education camps?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:06pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

Nonsense.

jobs in Alice Springs NT
775 jobs–Page 1 of 25
https://au.jora.com/j?sp=homepage&q=&l=alice+springs

Er....existence of available jobs does NOT equate to an increase in employment.

That's why public-sector intervention into the job market is required.

Quote:

These ferals are not homeless, either.

Apparently "home" is not a safe place for many young blacks.

Quote:

Also,
TERRITORIANS are the most heavily policed in the country, with about eight officers for every 1000 people.16 Aug 2022
https://www.ntnews.com.au › news-...
NT Police ratios highest in the nation, yet Territorians still feel unsafe

Is that correct; so the police are hamstrung by the magistracy who refuse to lock the offenders up, or are complicit in the revolving door.

And indeed the crime is real....

Solutions?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:09pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:50pm:

If only we changed Austra Day, it would all be fine. I blame Captain Cook and Arthur Phillip. They have made poor Aborigines what they are today.

Deportation to Xinjiang, Gansu and Ningxia work and re-education camps?

No, China won't take them.

Any more solutions? I love the Alice, it's a real shame.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:50pm:

If only we changed Austra Day, it would all be fine. I blame Captain Cook and Arthur Phillip. They have made poor Aborigines what they are today.

Liar - I never suggested anything of the sort

You filthy Liar

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:52pm

235 years and 'Westerners' still can't deliver on making this a successful colony.

...yep, the Aborigines are taking their country back and the white westerners can't do a thing about it. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:02pm

Poor, old, Matty, trying to claim his idea of a "shotgun" doesn't equate to a call he wants to exterminate Indigenous Australians selectively. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gordon on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:06pm

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/senator-jacinta-price-calls-for-children-wandering-streets-of-alice-springs-late-at-night-to-be-removed-from-their-families/news-story/df629fb801efaa7eb1c8a9a8c4d1b439

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:23pm

Gordon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Hooo-yah! Here we go with the next 'stolen generation'..... kids taken into protective care and in the future all you will hear is how dear old mum was heartbroken about their being 'stolen' while she was flaked out on the loungeroom floor again .... FFS ...

Sling the little pricks into a kid's prison and turn the beefy guards loose again..

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:30pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:52pm:

235 years and 'Westerners' still can't deliver on making this a successful colony.

...yep, the Aborigines are taking their country back and the white westerners can't do a thing about it. ;D ;D ;D

Only thing wrong with the colony is that they didn't make a proper job of it first time around....

Had the haircut today - the hairdresser said that being Irish/Aborigine he drove himself off his own land! On Australia Day he'll have the Australian flag, the Aborigine flag, and the boxing kangaroo flag up... take your pick.... safe on all grounds...

Them Aborigines are being handed things by the stupid politicians.... they're not 'taking it back' any more than feminists and such are 'fighting' for their 'rights' .... more like whinging until the idiots give in without too much real thought ....look for the hidden reason why this is the case... and it won't be for the general good.

It'll be to reduce the political and social power of the sovereign individual here... all these socialists on all sides are the same in that....they want to rule a totally divided and powerless country for their own benefit.

What you give away today you will never see again.... gone.... so stand now or lose it forever.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/absolute-carnage-in-alice-springs-is-heart-breaking/ar-AA16CheG?cvid=86439f259e864ae8e4762b88a13e2200&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Boris wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:24pm:

And Alice Springs is a disaster - the police do nothing

Nonsense.

jobs in Alice Springs NT
775 jobs–Page 1 of 25
https://au.jora.com/j?sp=homepage&q=&l=alice+springs

Er....existence of available jobs does NOT equate to an increase in employment.

That's why public-sector intervention into the job market is required.

Quote:

These ferals are not homeless, either.

Apparently "home" is not a safe place for many young blacks.

[quote]Also,
TERRITORIANS are the most heavily policed in the country, with about eight officers for every 1000 people.16 Aug 2022
https://www.ntnews.com.au › news-...
NT Police ratios highest in the nation, yet Territorians still feel unsafe

Is that correct; so the police are hamstrung by the magistracy who refuse to lock the offenders up, or are complicit in the revolving door.

And indeed the crime is real....

Solutions?
[/quote]

The Voice, obviously. Elders past and present are doing a wonderful job in Alice and other remote Aboriginal places. Give them elders more money and let them do more welcome to country, smoking and going blotto ceremonies. They are obviously respected and listened to by their Aboriginal communities.

It's the bloody Chinese and Arabs and Ibdians in the suburbs preventing them from being effective in remote Aboriginal shanty towns, the bloody running dogs of white supremacist colonialists.

Tsk, tsk ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:30pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:52pm:

235 years and 'Westerners' still can't deliver on making this a successful colony.

...yep, the Aborigines are taking their country back and the white westerners can't do a thing about it. ;D ;D ;D

Well I guess you need to draw the line Grapps from the Real Politics and Politicians to the Fake Politics/Politicians who serve the whims of all things 'Media'.

What do you think ScoMo the Protestant would do about it?
Compared to Media-suck up Albanese currently?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:52am

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:49am:

Did you just give me a death threat like a grub Gonads?
(C'mon - fess up like a real tough guy).

Only plebs go on worker's comp.
No-one hires someone with a worker's comp history. ;D

You're a deluded moron to boot.

Death threat? How you came up with that is unbelievably stupid.

Are you really that stupid?

You're a pleb - a dole bludging pleb.

Or is that Bogan? ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:14am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Perhaps some of the elders that want to see the culture survive could start up a boarding home and run it like a cattle station etc.
Abos are great stock man. Give them a horse to care for. They'll learn to drive, shyte, some may even become chopper pilots.

The elders can remove the kids without major backlash like the white community would get.
These kids could be schooled and working to keep them busy.
Not a lot to do on days off out there, but there would be activities to keep them off the piss and clear headed.
Perhaps training for rodeo bull riding etc, building sheds, fishing, general life skills.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:30am

Astounding that anyone would think a challenge from the opposition leader to actually go out there and look is met with howls of "it's all a right wing conspiracy to make the Abos look bad with the voice vote coming up"...

Maybe we need an OzPol bus to take a few out there for a first hand look..... there is seriously something very wrong with some of you...

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:32am

Astounding that anyone would think a challenge from the opposition leader to actually go out there and look is met with howls of "it's all a right wing conspiracy to make the Abos look bad with the voice vote coming up"...

They don't need any help to look bad ........

Maybe we need an OzPol bus to take a few out there for a first hand look..... there is seriously something very wrong with some of you...

black_privilege_2.jpg (48 KB | 19 )

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:50am

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

The Voice, obviously (is the solution to the crime problem). Elders past and present are doing a wonderful job in Alice and other remote Aboriginal places. Give them elders more money and let them do more welcome to country, smoking and going blotto ceremonies. They are obviously respected and listened to by their Aboriginal communities.

Now Frank please, so far you have suggested sending them to China, sarcasm about the voice is not a solution either.

Whereas listening to the Alice Spring Police Commissioner today on ABC RN, he correctly identified welfare dependency as the basic problem.

So how do you solve welfare dependency?

Quote:

It's the bloody Chinese and Arabs and Ibdians in the suburbs preventing them from being effective in remote Aboriginal shanty towns, the bloody running dogs of white supremacist colonialists.

The Police Commissioner also noted a side-effect of welfare dependency in the Alice's near-by camps: the practical need for the unemployed to get to the dole withdrawal machines in the Alice itself, to get access to cash, with long queues and alcohol in the mix...

Any ideas on ending welfare dependency in the camps?

But it's not only the Alice, Mt. Isa and Townsville, and many other localities, have the same problems.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am

I'llOP
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:50am:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

It's the bloody Chinese and Arabs and Ibdians in the suburbs preventing them from being effective in remote Aboriginal shanty towns, the bloody running dogs of white supremacist colonialists.

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't. Singapore-style public flogging and shaming for drunken and disorderly conduct. Instant alcohol ban for drunks. Zero tolerance for vandalism, shoplifting, kiddie fiddling, drugs. Remove children from families that don't look after them and control them, sending them to workhouses to be schooled, trained and taughg discipline.

Aborigines are either fully human and autonomous agents like everyone else and can tell right behaviour from wrong or they are not.
THEY must sort themselves, not you or me or Albo. Aborigines must take responsibility for how Aborigines behave. No frikken Voice until they can demonstrate that they are capable of reigning in theif own. They are victins of nobody but other Aborigines. Time they acted like responsible human beings.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't.

What would happen if the long-term white unemployed where cut from welfare? The same applies to blacks.

Quote:

Singapore-style public flogging and shaming for drunken and disorderly conduct. Instant alcohol ban for drunks. Zero tolerance for vandalism, shoplifting, kiddie fiddling, drugs. Remove children from families that don't look after them and control them, sending them to workhouses to be schooled, trained and taughg discipline.

Aborigines are either fully human and autonomous agents like everyone else and can tell right behaviour from wrong or they are not.

THEY must sort themselves, not you or me or Albo. Aborigines must take responsibility for how Aborigines behave. No frikken Voice until they can demonstrate that they are capable of reigning in theif own. They are victins of nobody but other Aborigines. Time they acted like responsible human beings.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:52am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yknEDu6UKLk

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gordon on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:53am

There needs to be a study see what % of abo kids are born with FASDs. I suspect the results would be daunting.

Meanwhile.....

According to The Australian newspaper many of those kids are drinking alcohol, sometimes in the form of hand sanitiser diluted in soft drinks, or consuming deodorant, petrol or glue

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/alice-springs-crime-rate-soars-after-alcohol-ban-lifts/video/3b15315ab5ee71208b19bc9bb35807a7

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:56am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't.

What would happen if the long-term white unemployed where cut from welfare? The same applies to blacks.

Quote:

The trouble is: in Oz black communities, the problem is systemic welfare dependency, whereas in Singapore any such problems you identified above are related to a small number of recalcitrant (for whatever reason) individuals.

[quote]Aborigines are either fully human and autonomous agents like everyone else and can tell right behaviour from wrong or they are not.

'Culture' makes the question of 'responsibility' more complex for aboriginals living in the modern world - while attempting to preserve aspects of the old 'hunter gatherer culture.

Solution: a Job Guarantee, obviously.

[/quote]

You ignorant fool

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:04am

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't.

What would happen if the long-term white unemployed where cut from welfare? The same applies to blacks.

Quote:

The problem, as seen by a pro-voice Left politician I spoke to yesterday, who identifies as "aboriginal", arises out of the attempt - or rather necessity - according to culture, to "live in two worlds" (also the idea expressed in the Uluru statement).

I said blacks have to adapt to the modern economy, he said indigenous people all around the world know how to "live in two worlds". I pointed out many of them didn't know how, which is why the gap exists today.

Yet he wants to persist with the voice....."what harm can it do"?

[quote]THEY must sort themselves, not you or me or Albo. Aborigines must take responsibility for how Aborigines behave. No frikken Voice until they can demonstrate that they are capable of reigning in theif own. They are victins of nobody but other Aborigines. Time they acted like responsible human beings.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:07am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am:

Aborigines are either fully human and autonomous agents like everyone else and can tell right behaviour from wrong or they are not.

Utter bollocks.

They are swiftly punished if they transgress against Aboriginal cultural norms - but are endlessly excused if they transgress against Australian law and cultural norms. Nuts to that.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:11am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:04am:

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't.

What would happen if the long-term white unemployed where cut from welfare? The same applies to blacks.

Quote:

You ignorant fool[/quote]

So says the "exterminator"....
[/quote]

Ignorant fool

Go live in Alice Springs

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Nemo on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:20am

Poverty; drugs and alcohol abuse.

Even though the CDC was extremely uncomfortable it was actually doing some good?

I note that Coles is placing a limit on grog sales from now on.

Meanwhile, Albo is on his way there today.

Polls must have been showing a bit of a dip?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:43am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:45am:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Tell the 'elders' to sort their shite and cut their welfare if they don't.

What would happen if the long-term white unemployed where cut from welfare? The same applies to blacks.

Quote:

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:35am

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

Ignorant fool

Go live in Alice Springs

Don't need to, I know the crime in the Alice is egregious and out of control.

Cause: welfare dependency.

Solution: a Job Guarantee.

whereas extermination is illegal.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:44am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:43am:

Please give an example of what you mean by this.
No links, just in your own words.

A Job Guarantee in practice provides a job when the competitive private sector market fails to do so.

A successful example in relation to blacks was the old CDEP scheme 1977-2004, which employed blacks in communities, and reduced crime and alcoholism as a result. The CDEP was cancelled by free market ideologues who wanted to see creation of "real" jobs, ie according to them, jobs in the competitive private sector market.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by lee on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:50am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:44am:

The CDEP was cancelled by free market ideologues who wanted to see creation of "real" jobs, ie according to them, jobs in the competitive private sector market.

So your solution is a well paying job in an uncompetitive industry? ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:08pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:44am:

The CDEP was cancelled by free market ideologues who wanted to see creation of "real" jobs, ie according to them, jobs in the competitive private sector market.

So your solution is a well paying job in an uncompetitive industry? ::)

Yes. ("Well paying" being above-poverty level, with the usual add on holiday pay, sick leave etc).

Hint: caring for people and the environment, which is both necessary and useful, and desired by the community, cannot function in a competitive industry environment, because individual consumers of that necessary work can't pay for age-care, education or environmental care.

Hence the government must be both the employer, and payer, of last resort, outside of competitive private-sector industries.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:26pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:28pm

Brian is on holiday at the moment. He left his autoresponse messages running.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:40pm

My bet is that 99% of those Abbos out on street are failing badly at school.
An education is the only way out of their lifelong future poverty.
They should all be at home studying as as hard as they can
so they can pass their school exams.
Are so thick they can't see that?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:45pm

If their parents are not yelling at each other or not trying to belittle their children, maybe the children would bury their heads in their schoolwork and get ahead in life.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

The streets of Alice will be cleared and cleaned up when Albo-sneezy comes to town.
"Nothing to see here. Let's move on."

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:35am:

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

Ignorant fool

Go live in Alice Springs

Don't need to, I know the crime in the Alice is egregious and out of control.

Cause: welfare dependency.

Solution: a Job Guarantee.

whereas extermination is illegal.

You have NFI

Who called for extermination fool?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:05pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 1:55pm:

The streets of Alice will be cleared and cleaned up when Albo-sneezy comes to town.
"Nothing to see here. Let's move on."

5 busses non stop taking them and driving back empty for more

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:48pm

With the PM in the Alice today the taxpayers should be prepared to dig deep again. Millions and millions of dollars will be going the Abbos way with some new Abbo advisory body and a promise of some nice new houses etc to keep them happy until Albo's referendum is done.

The Alice is going down, the Abbos are out of control and Albo wouldn't want to take an excursion down to the Todd river today, or at anytime.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:57pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by lee on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:00pm

"Federal Labor MP warns Alice Springs crime crisis is impeding Voice debate"

https://theconversation.com/federal-labor-mp-warns-alice-springs-crime-crisis-is-impeding-voice-debate-198312

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:18pm

Wow, just wow.

Meanwhile, Indigenous leader Noel Pearson has warned of dire consequences if the Voice referendum fails. He said if it were kiboshed by the opposition, the chance for reconciliation would be lost forever.

Where the farrk is Noel Pearson while his lot destroy a Northern Territory city?
Go to hell Noel. Don't put out empty threats you piece of shyte.

I hope like hell this "voice" fails, but the past experience with this corporate government tells me we have no choice at all.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:29pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

If elders like Pearson can't tell their own children and communities what to do then they should not be clamouring to tell the Government what to do. WTF? If they have sweet FA standing among their own people who don't listen to them, what standing do they expect to have in the broader society and why the hell anyone listen to them??

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:35pm

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:35am:

Boris wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 10:11am:

Ignorant fool

Go live in Alice Springs

Don't need to, I know the crime in the Alice is egregious and out of control.

Cause: welfare dependency.

Solution: a Job Guarantee.

whereas extermination is illegal.

You have NFI

Who called for extermination fool?

You did, with you preferred solution being " a shotgun".

Exterminator.....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Ironic.

Education is most definitely part of the solution, but one must be educated in order to understand this fact.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:38pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Because their welfare dependent, alcoholic parents aren't providing safe learning environments at home?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:51pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Because they are too thick to understand their reality.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Ironic.

Education is most definitely part of the solution, but one must be educated in order to understand this fact.

The Elders are not educated, they don't send their kids to school, they are inbreeding out in these remote communities, they don't have to work or look for work, everything is provided for them including free beer and still they have gone to war in The Alice.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:52pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Because they are too thick to understand their reality.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:00pm

Maybe they need some good old Aussie Media PR?

Maybe send some Aussie Rules and Rugby League stars out there to win em over?
Maybe have a Hey Hey It's Saturday Special in Alice?
Maybe hold a Charitable Concert of has-been Media celebrities for a sing-a-long?

...you know - the Media is the answer to it all. ;)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by aquascoot on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:03pm

when a teenager does not feel the love of their village, they will burn it down to feel its warmth.

what does love mean to a 15 yo aboriginal youth in alice springs?

it means a father who guides and devotes time and teaches skills and conducts a rite of initiation (perhaps knocking out a tooth) to teach toughness and resilience.

a loving mentor will take no crap from a teenager because the mentor
is saying

"i love you too much to accept anything but your best, now man up"

what does the modern political model offer to an aboriginal 15 yo boy who is craving real manliness and looking for boundaries and a hard stone on which to sharpen his life skills?

they serve up blue haired lesbain social workers with no life experience to 'pander " to the teenager and be a walkover. they treat a teenage boy like a toddler with unconditional love and acept all behaviours and make excuses and set the bar incredibly low because they want to feel good and couldnt give a stuff about the lad.

better to hand over the riasing of these fine young men to the local boxing instructor at the PCYC, to set up an army unit and have hardened NCO's instruct them
to engage local graziers to take them on as apprentices and teach them how to live rough.

the weak sauce, girly , pandering supplicating hand- wringing bed -wetting softly softly approach of the leftie intellectual is a catastrophe for these youth

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:22pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

Albo is there, he will sort this mess out, hope he stays the night there.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:24pm

Notice with the Whities that they're all worried about the 'financial' abuse they are suffering.

Not many saying they are worried for their kids, etc.

Oh yeah - only Koori kids being born out there.

You can kinda see where this is heading as usual. ::)

Move along, nothing 'new' to see here. ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

They need a drill instructor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17yJsKs

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:36pm

Time to bring em in and brand em.

https://youtu.be/PFGyhSifqzA

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by aquascoot on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

They need a drill instructor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17yJsKs

a drill sergent sets boundaries and allows a frightened recruit to find a place of safety.

young horses freak out when middle aged women try to "love on them"
they think 'this person is so weak, so soft, they cannot keep me safe"

if a strong assertive man takes over the training, you can see the young horse relax.
scared beings can only find a place of peace when the assertive leader gives off the vibe of supreme confidence and setting high standards

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:55pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

if a strong assertive man takes over the training, you can see the young horse relax.
scared beings can only find a place of peace when the assertive leader gives off the vibe of supreme confidence and setting high standards

Like Trump -except he caused the first storming of the US Capitol since the British war.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Postmodern Trendoid III on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:39pm

Non-white races on the rampage = progress.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:27pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Ironic.

Education is most definitely part of the solution, but one must be educated in order to understand this fact.

At least someone else has joined the dots and noted that the planned Race War has actually begun while everyone still sleeps... join the dots on incidents.... you know - sort of a MacNamara approach to VC/NVA activities in Vietnam.....

... reading this guy's file he really got the hook in me..... about a thousand decorations.... special forces .... one time he ordered the execution of four local army and civilian chiefs... and terrorist acts in his sector dropped off to nothing...... seems he hit the right people ...... and now they wanted me to kill him.... and I wasn't even in their army any more.....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 10:40am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

Ironic.

Education is most definitely part of the solution, but one must be educated in order to understand this fact.

At least someone else has joined the dots and noted that the planned Race War has actually begun while everyone still sleeps...

Everyone else is "still sleeping" because they accept the current vicious neoliberal market economy as the determinant of who gets employed and who doesn't.

Aided and abetted by 'culture' warriors on all sides.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:08am

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:15am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

You have it back to front. People living in 4th world poverty communities and dysfunctional families in unsafe homes can't study at home.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:43am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

You have it back to front. People living in 4th world poverty communities and dysfunctional families in unsafe homes can't study at home.

I blame the parents, the elders, the community of Aborigines. If they cannot look after their own children but spend the day drunk and face down in their pizzas then those children MUST be taken away from them. These Aboriginal adults have forfeited any right to complain if they cannot even take care of their own children and prefer to be pissed out of their minds every day rather than take responsibility for their children. Being Aboriginal is no fuqqn excuse for such appaling negligence, violence, irresponsibility. Shame on every one of them for trying to hide behind race. It's complete and utter bullshite - otherwise EVERY Aboriginal would behave exactly like that. But they do not.
So enough of this race based load of complete shite. Sober up, clean yourselves up, take card of your kids. You do not need government or parliamentary Vouce to do that. That is ENTIRELY AND SOLELY in their individual power. Exercise it, FFS! Then we can talk.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:59am

‘A state judge defended an Aboriginal man’s right to have sex with an underage girl as a 40,000-year-old traditional practice and has set off a national debate over the role of culture in practices that deny women autonomy.

A Northern Territory judge ruled in October that a 15-year-old Aboriginal girl “knew what was expected of her” and “didn’t need protection” when a 50-year-old man committed statutory rape against the girl and shot a gun into the hair when she complained. The man was later revealed to have been convicted of slaughtering his former wife. Expert testimony submitted by an anthropologist in the case called the man’s arrangement with the girl “traditional” and therefore “morally correct”.’

These are not isolated incidents. The Northern Territory has the highest rate of child rape and domestic abuse in Australia – and it is a lot worse when alcohol is added to the mix.

The Little Children are Sacred report started from the position that sexually assaulting children is wrong. It seems that the courts and ‘Woke’ activists are drifting away from this position to placate ‘experts’ who favour historical abuse over modern safety protections.

One of the most disturbing parts of that particular report was the exposure of very young children to sexual content – either through pornography or adults engaging in sex acts around them – leading children to abuse each other from as young as three.

The problem of promiscuity, violence, substance abuse, and sexual assault is so widespread in some communities that the elders have simply given up. It is almost total anarchy where the historic sexualisation of children has crashed into modern women’s liberation leading to gangs of 11 to 15-year-olds prostituting themselves or chasing sex with each other. Young boys are also raped by older men, causing victims to become offenders in a terrible cycle.

The Little Children are Sacred report is full of harrowing accounts that show how deep this abusive behaviour goes. In one, a man explains why he raped a girl. As disturbing as it is, how can people hope to understand the gravity of the situation if they never take a proper look at what’s happening?

‘When I was six, my old man shot my mum, yeah smacking shot my mum, bank in the head. They had been blueing all night. He made me clean her brains off the floor. When I raped that girl, I felt like all my pain was going into her, when she screamed that was me screaming, I know that sounds f-d up but that’s what it felt like. I looked at my hands after, the blood on my hands and the poo, it was all slimy, I thought I was cleaning up my mum’s brains again, it felt the same.’

The sexualisation and marriage of girls from the moment they grow breasts or bleed – promising them to (much) older men in tribal marriages – has presented an enormous problem for those trying to address abuse. Sexual activity with minors is not seen as ‘wrong’ by large sections of the Indigenous community. When some of the arranged marriage systems broke down (because it was illegal to marry children), those children continued to engage in sexual activity with adults.

Even international human rights bodies, who like to side with ancient practices, cannot bring themselves to accept this scenario. Worse, many questioned in the inquiry were not aware of the concept of an ‘age of consent’. At some point, remote cultures will have to abandon the abuse of children and find a cultural mechanism to stamp out the behaviour, just as other cultures around the world have done. Public money cannot close this gap. Communities have to do it for themselves and take control of themselves and their children.

As for the alcohol, the ‘voices’ on the ground knew it was going to end this way from the beginning.

Alice Springs stores rushed with customers as intervention-era alcohol ban expires in NT, wrote the ABC, on July 22. They noted an immediate rise in disorderly behaviour as residents rushed to stock up on alcohol.

‘To be frank, it’s a cause for concern … the safety of our staff is very important,’ said one bottleshop owner at the time.

The wider media barely touched the story because it contradicted the image curated by those who ran the campaign to lift the bans. Police immediately reported state-wide surges in domestic abuse, with Labor Member Ms Scrymgour saying that the situation was playing out ‘as we feared’.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/01/albos-alice-alcohol-back-flip/

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:43am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

You have it back to front. People living in 4th world poverty communities and dysfunctional families in unsafe homes can't study at home.

I blame the parents, the elders, the community of Aborigines. If they cannot look after their own children but spend the day drunk and face down in their pizzas then those children MUST be taken away from them. These Aboriginal adults have forfeited any right to complain if they cannot even take care of their own children and prefer to be pissed out of their minds every day rather than take responsibility for their children. Being Aboriginal is no fuqqn excuse for such appaling negligence, violence, irresponsibility. Shame on every one of them for trying to hide behind race. It's complete and utter bullshite - otherwise EVERY Aboriginal would behave exactly like that. But they fo not.
So enough of this race based load of complete shite. Sober up, clean yourselves up, take card of your kids. You do not need government or parliamentary Vouce to do that. That is ENTIRELY AND SOLELY in their individual power. Exercise it, FFS! Then we can talk.

That's what I said - they all love to stand up with the PM etc and look good... but not a single one of them does anything about the real problems for all those kids... I say kids because the older ones are probably beyond redemption, but the kids have to be the way to the future.... and if where they are now is it - that future is four grey walls and a sad old padre ....

What is the hero Noel Pearson, holding desperately on to his separateness as an Abo but wanting all the perks of a White Man, actually doing to get a hold on the violence and crime? NOTHING!

What is the blackface sheila (how modern) 'chief minister' doing to get a hold on the crime and violence? Crying about potential racism in cutting off the major causes just because they are more prevalent and damaging in one group. = NOTHING but play politics of division like Pearson.

What does The Great One (The Great Sallow Egyptian Hope) Waleed Aly do about getting a hold on the crime and violence? Archly suggests that a white police commissioner has no voice in settling the problems... WTF? = NOTHING but play politics of division like Pearson, Albo and that blackface sheila up there, bro.

THAT is the real problem that needs to be addressed first - giving and taking responsibility where it belongs.... and getting all these half-baked clowns out of the way so the real issues can be addressed ...... talk about the human wave attacks coming in behind a human shield ...

Living in fourth world poverty - please explain? Them Abos out there are doing it far better than some family-less White Boy trying to pay rent on a single room and get through a Uni course on his own on the noodle diet.

Feed the future of Australia! Feed a Student who has no family to support him!

I did that, BTW - sleeping on the wooden floor of a single room in Glebe, eating noodles .... all you water-fat heroic people can tell me nothing...

Fourth world - don't make me laugh ....they get enough to live on out there and they carry on their traditional pursuits and hunting gathering if they want... their choice to hunter/gather in the shops in town and cause strife.... gulag 'em all! Let God sort 'em out!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm

Confession Time:-

"People living in 4th world poverty communities and dysfunctional families in unsafe homes can't study at home. "

Do go on - you are on the right track again..... but not there yet....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:19pm

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:43am:

I blame the parents, the elders, the community of Aborigines.

.....while ignoring the fact "we smashed their culture" .

Quote:

If they cannot look after their own children but spend the day drunk and face down in their pizzas then those children MUST be taken away from them.

First step is to end the welfare dependency (while saving the children, and jailing wrong-doers).

Quote:

These Aboriginal adults have forfeited any right to complain if they cannot even take care of their own children and prefer to be pissed out of their minds every day rather than take responsibility for their children.

That's what a smashed culture - propped up by welfare dependency- looks like; apportioning blame won't achieve anything.

Quote:

Being Aboriginal is no fuqqn excuse for such appaling negligence, violence, irresponsibility. Shame on every one of them for trying to hide behind race.

Like I said excuses, or blame, etc are a waste of time; getting rid of the welfare dependency is the task at hand.

Quote:

It's complete and utter bullshite - otherwise EVERY Aboriginal would behave exactly like that. But they do not.

That's the fallacy of composition RWers fall into every time; that some can do it doesn't mean all can do it.

Quote:

So enough of this race based load of complete shite. Sober up, clean yourselves up, take card of your kids. You do not need government or parliamentary Vouce to do that.

Correct; welfare dependency for working-age people needs to be erased from the entire Oz nation.

Quote:

That is ENTIRELY AND SOLELY in their individual power. Exercise it, FFS! Then we can talk.

Incorrect: welfare dependency cannot be eradicated by the individual, it must be eradicated by government.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:08am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

You have it back to front.
People living in 4th world poverty communities and dysfunctional families in unsafe homes can't study at home.

Then schools and other places need to be open at night so they can study.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Thanks; and I conclude with:

(drum roll)...Welfare dependency (which causes all those things you highlighted, in the context of a 'smashed culture')..... cannot be eradicated by the individual, it must be eradicated by government.

Waiting for your confirmation I am still on the right track....:-)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

No - it must be eradicated by the individual... the government cannot do it, even with a job creation scheme. We've been through the failure of the vast majority of JCS money getting to the coal face...the other side of it is that it is temporary and really does nothing long term, and in fact really only increase the fuel to the existing problems.

The individual must participate in study, even moving away from dysfunction (as I did), which means taking a lot of hits in life, and find his/her feet - all a government program that leaves them in that dysfunction achieves is to solidify it and make it inter-generational. Is it better for a fifteen year old girl to travel away and learn to be a nurse - or to remain in that situation and become a mother instantly - one way or another and none of them very positive or boding well for the future?

In The Alice and such - the biggest problem is this handing on to the myth of 'stolen generations' and the total unwillingness to actively participate in their own salvation. If you think you can change that - go out there and do it....

Stolen generations, my left foot...................

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 1:55pm

A semi booze ban in Alice, some entrepreneur will keep the grog flowing on mondays and tuesdays. The woke are satisfied it isn't a race based ban. $20,000,000 to the local communities and Albo was back on his jet and hightailed it out of there before sunset.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Wrong: you 'individual responsibility' types design a system in which the most competitive win and the least
competitive are forced onto welfare dependency.

Quote:

The individual must participate in study, even moving away from dysfunction (as I did), which means taking a lot of hits in life, and find his/her feet - all a government program that leaves them in that dysfunction achieves is to solidify it and make it inter-generational.

Is it better for a fifteen year old girl to travel away and learn to be a nurse - or to remain in that situation and become a mother instantly - one way or another and none of them very positive or boding well for the future?

will the dole support a 15 year old to move, pay rent, and study?

Quote:

In The Alice and such - the biggest problem is this handing on to the myth of 'stolen generations' and the total unwillingness to actively participate in their own salvation. If you think you can change that - go out there and do it....

Of course the situation is so bad for many kids at home now that they WANT to leave home...

Quote:

Stolen generations, my left foot...................

Well... if the home situation was functional and loving, a crime was committed by the government.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Wrong: you 'individual responsibility' types design a system in which the most competitive win and the least
competitive are forced onto welfare dependency.

Quote:

Correct, but even though you personally managed to succeed, the government, acting as employer of last resort, must still eradicate welfare dependency by ensuring employment for all who want it.

[quote] Is it better for a fifteen year old girl to travel away and learn to be a nurse - or to remain in that situation and become a mother instantly - one way or another and none of them very positive or boding well for the future?

will the dole support a 15 year old to move, pay rent, and study?

Quote:

Of course the situation is so bad for many kids at home now that they WANT to leave home...

Quote:

Stolen generations, my left foot...................

Well... if the home situation was functional and loving, a crime was committed by the government.
[/quote]

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

There's a furtive little climb-down.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:26pm

The gene pool in these remote communities can't be good for humanity, even the Stone Age peoples figured that out.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Welfare dependency isn't the problem.

It's a SYMPTOM of the problem.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Because their welfare dependent, alcoholic parents aren't providing safe learning environments at home?

That is basically what I had told Bobby a few days ago.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 12:51pm:

You said that before and I responded. Why do you think they are not doing their studies?

Because they are too thick to understand their reality.

There homelife won't provide a stable environment to be distracted with studies. It is usually tv, football and antisocial behaviour. And they like to do that away from the home.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:40pm

So if they were stolen into care they might do better?

Now who'd 've thunk that?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:40pm

I bet Bobby gets his psychological remedies from watching Rikki Lake re-runs.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Wrong: you 'individual responsibility' types design a system in which the most competitive win and the least
competitive are forced onto welfare dependency.

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will the dole support a 15 year old to move, pay rent, and study? What I'm suggesting is that some of these kids could be given a chance with proper funding to sustain those things. I suppose you're wondering why I chose a girl - well - for one simple reason - they are more likely to actually work at it and they have more reason to want to get out. Look at the reliable voices up there at the moment - all from the real victims up there.

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Of course the situation is so bad for many kids at home now that they WANT to leave home...

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Stolen generations, my left foot...................

Well... if the home situation was functional and loving, a crime was committed by the government. How so? For not enforcing a functional and loving home situation? How exactly? By removing kids into safety etc? By chopping off access to alcohol? by restricting money primarily to food and such? **coughs**
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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:47pm

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Welfare dependency isn't the problem.

It's a SYMPTOM of the problem.

What IS the problem, Kat?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:51pm

Everyone in the Alice would be on tenterhooks tonight after Albo's fleeting visit and alcohol bans yesterday and Australia day tomorrow, i wouldn't want to be there.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by UnSubRocky on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 10:31pm

Goodness me. No alcohol and Australia Day tomorrow. There is going to be a riot there in Alice Springs to make the previous riots seem like a fight at a BBQ.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - Covid outbreak
Post by Xavier on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 10:45pm

bump

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:41am

Jasin wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 5:24pm:

You're still an idiot.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:48am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Yeah Pearson sure turning out to be just another threat making activist.

I thought he had some reasonably good ideas but these sort of remarks proved me wrong.

I hope the referendum gets kyboshed big style.

Then he can reconcile that all he likes.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:05am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

What I'm suggesting is that some of these kids could be given a chance with proper funding to sustain those things.

Interesting: special funding to help girls escape the ghettos.

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I suppose you're wondering why I chose a girl - well - for one simple reason - they are more likely to actually work at it and they have more reason to want to get out. Look at the reliable voices up there at the moment - all from the real victims up there.

Boys and girls are all victims of dysfunctional families in the entrenched welfare-dependent communities.

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The government - acting as employer of last resort - can eliminate welfare dependency at the stroke of a pen.

I see you making much of "race" and "stolen generations"; indeed black people want to maintain their culture, but that's impossible. But let's look to what is needed, to end the welfare dependency.

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How so? For not enforcing a functional and loving home situation? How exactly?

I am merely looking back to the times when the "stolen generations" business occurred, and observing: IF black families were loving units, then obviously a policy of removing kids from families (for white 'cultural' reasons) was criminal.

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By removing kids into safety etc? By chopping off access to alcohol? by restricting money primarily to food and such? **coughs**

No reason to 'cough'; those are all legitimate reasons for removing kids from dysfunctional families.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:16am

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Welfare dependency isn't the problem.

It's a SYMPTOM of the problem.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:02pm

The cause of Black problems in Australia is their behaviour and their refusal to change their way out-dated ways.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:02pm:

The cause of Black problems in Australia is their behaviour and their refusal to change their way out-dated ways.

Well you know I disagree; destructive behaviour, and poverty, follows welfare dependency , as confirmed in the previously linked article re poverty in NZ....but I await Kat's views on "out-dated ways", the one aspect with which I am inclined to agree with you.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:29pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Been explained before, your denseness is no excuse for not learning.

1. Poverty and the dole are related (as shown in the previously linked article re poverty in NZ).

2. 'Genteel' poverty among whites who are (relatively) sparsely distributed through an otherwise functional white community with high employment rates, is an entirely different circumstance to poverty-level blacks living on the dole in which the entire community is dysfunctional and subsisting on the dole.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:47pm

**bronx cheer**

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Cancel the dole then. They only spend it on booze.

They can go bush like they did for 40 thousand years or get a job. Let them choose.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:45pm

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Cancel the dole then.

A good start to your reply...but a quick scan of the rest shows a rapid descent into (.... I'll be generous...) error.

You should have added: "and create appropriate employment, to end the welfare dependency".

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They only spend it on booze.

That's what demoralized welfare-dependent people do, subsisting on the dole.

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They can go bush like they did for 40 thousand years or get a job. Let them choose.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 6:51am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Cancel the dole then.

They only spend it on booze.

That's what demoralized welfare-dependent people do, subsisting on the dole.

[quote]They can go bush like they did for 40 thousand years or get a job. Let them choose.

Outback jobs in Oz don't exist for untrained blacks (racist ranchers sacked all the black stockmen when equal pay legislation was passed), so no "choice" there.

As for a return to the hunter-gatherer economy, few alive today would be capable even if they wanted to.

[/quote]

They are not "looking after country" in the bush or desert so there is no point in their staying there. Move where the jobs are if you want a job. Millions of others have done so for centuries everywhere. There is absolutely nothing special about Aborigines.

Go bush if you are so traumatised by modern education, healthcare, houses with plumbing, shops, clocks, cars, computers.

The 'demoralised Aborigine can only get drunk on the dole because of racist ranchers sacked his daddy' is a ludicrius.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 7:11am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

If destructive behaviour followed social security dependency, why doesn't everyone in that situation do it? Why is it so much more prevalent in that group?

Sorry - you are wrong.

Cancel the dole then.

They only spend it on booze.

That's what demoralized welfare-dependent people do, subsisting on the dole.

[quote]They can go bush like they did for 40 thousand years or get a job. Let them choose.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 8:19am

Police brace for violent response to booze ban
An outbreak of assaults, property damage and burglaries are expected to sweep Alice Springs in the wake of the booze restrictions implemented on the town this week

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 9:28am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:16am:

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Welfare dependency isn't the problem.

It's a SYMPTOM of the problem.

Ouch - Kat....you were my favourite 'dream' girl on Oz politics (...judging by your picture (!), and your professed allegiance to 'socialism'.....).

Can you explain how welfare dependency is a symptom, rather than a cause of the black problem in the Alice and outback Oz in general? Welfare dependence doesn't cause isolation, poor education and living standards, lack of opportunities for meaningful employment, and broken family/societal ties. But all these things can LEAD to welfare dependence.

We on the Left have to get these issues correctly sorted; Albo's visit to the Alice will soon prove to have achieved no change at all. Probably true - but we need to remember that making effective laws and enforcing them is, technically, the responsibility of the NT, not federal cabinet. Howard's 'intervention' only made things worse in many cases

Edit: on reflection, I assume you don't agree with my contention it's "impossible to maintain the Oz black culture" in the modern world. No, I actually do agree with that, and I've been even more inclined to that viewpoint over recent years.

But obviously the hunter-gatherer economy is gone forever ..."gone with the wind'.... so maintaining that (economic) aspect of the Oz black culture IS impossible.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:18am

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 6:51am:

They are not "looking after country" in the bush or desert so there is no point in their staying there.

Jobs as park rangers/caring for country do exist, but not enough for the inhabitants of the camps around Alice etc, which is the problem to solve.

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Move where the jobs are if you want a job.

You need education and training first, where you are living. And that needs jobs where the parents are living.

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Millions of others have done so for centuries everywhere. There is absolutely nothing special about Aborigines.

Millions grew up in supportive functional families, and got jobs in their own communities, or received enough education/training to get jobs in other places.

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Go bush if you are so traumatised by modern education, healthcare, houses with plumbing, shops, clocks, cars, computers.

People are traumatized in dysfunctional families living in welfare dependency; notice how you are bending over backwards to deny government provision of suitable jobs in black communities.

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The 'demoralised Aborigine can only get drunk on the dole because of racist ranchers sacked his daddy' is a ludicrius.

No, that is in the past: today the issue is the vicious neoliberal job market which forces those who can't compete in the NAIRU job markets (including the regular public sector workforce) and are relegated to subsistence on the dole.

Ie, instead of actual racist employers, today blacks are disadvantaged by the neoliberal economic system which locks them in a cycle of disadvantage because they are starting on the back foot in the competition for the available jobs.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:41am

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Welfare dependence doesn't cause isolation, poor education and living standards, lack of opportunities for meaningful employment, and broken family/societal ties. But all these things can LEAD to welfare dependence.

We know that the dole is associated with poverty; and people receive the dole when jobs aren't available.

But your term: "lack of opportunities for meaningful employment" is problematic; any work which is useful to the community's well-being and amenity is "meaningful".

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(Albo's intervention won't change anything) Probably true - but we need to remember that making effective laws and enforcing them is, technically, the responsibility of the NT, not federal cabinet. Howard's 'intervention' only made things worse in many cases

No, I actually do agree with (the reality that the hunter gatherer culture is extinct), and I've been even more inclined to that viewpoint over recent years.

Good; then I must assume you object to my 'welfare dependency' thesis because you don't understand how the currency-issuing government can create jobs, apart from non-government job creation in the private sector (and jobs in the regular public sector - also difficult to land a job in).

I recommend this:

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:41am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

As a matter of fact, the issues are largely economic, and only the Feds have the purse required to fix the economic problems. As for Howard, you may not be aware he cancelled the successful CDEP scheme on free-market ideology grounds.

[quote]No, I actually do agree with (the reality that the hunter gatherer culture is extinct), and I've been even more inclined to that viewpoint over recent years.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

OK. So we agree the hunter-gatherer culture is extinct (despite protestation of blacks seeking "sovereignty"); and we agree government can always create full employment.

So....surely the lack of jobs, which by definition causes welfare dependency - is the problem?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

What job would you give a drunkard who never finished school, can't read or write and stinks? What job would he want?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:18pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

H6
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

What job would you give a drunkard who never finished school, can't read or write and stinks? What job would he want?

A 'chicken and egg' problem; if government - acting as employer of last resort - took responsibility to ensure everyone was able to find employment, people wouldn't have the time or inclination to sit around drinking grog all day, and children living in safe home environments would do their home work at night instead of roaming the streets.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by issuevoter on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

H6
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

What job would you give a drunkard who never finished school, can't read or write and stinks? What job would he want?

Jeez! No one has ever thought of that before! A government responsible for everyone. Brilliant!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 3:50pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:23pm:

Jeez! No one has ever thought of that before! A government responsible for everyone. Brilliant!

Thanks...but I have to own up , better economists than me have developed the idea before me.

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false".

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 4:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

H6
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

What job would you give a drunkard who never finished school, can't read or write and stinks? What job would he want?

Don't be soo Bbwianesquely ridiculous. It is not a chicken and egg problem at all.

Getting drunk, dropping out of school, beating your women and children, rendering yourself and your children illiterate, dirty and unemployable is not the government's doing, it's your doing. Not drinking, not neglecting your children, not beating your family are things ONLY you can achieve and you need ZERO help if you want to achieve them. If you don't no government can make you (except by licking you up and putting your dependents into state care).

Control yourself. The power is entirely within you and nobody else. That is why not all Aborigines live in drunken, violent squalor.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 5:10pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Let them drink - trouble.
Don't let them drink - trouble.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 7:04pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

H6
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:14am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:01am:

No.

I've been advocating for that very thing for many years.

What job would you give a drunkard who never finished school, can't read or write and stinks? What job would he want?

What job is there in the Ning Nang Nong? Sweeping the dust off the streets? He'd rather sit at home and suck down the piss...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 9:31pm

An announcement from the PM.

Lefties are wankers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svahNEwk7jQ

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 9:45pm

Alice Springs - obviously out of Whitey's control.

Sydney lost to the Yellow Asians.
Melbourne lost to the Black Africans.

Whitey got no-where else to run to in Australia.
American Whiteys are trying to flee to Mars because their country is being over-run by the darkies.

Boris is squealing. Boris doesn't know what to do?
Boris wants someone else to do the dirty work.

Damn those Abos says Boris.
Why won't they fear the Chinese like we do?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:59pm

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

It's the (formerly racist, now discriminatory) system's doing; Aboriginals have always been the most unemployed people in Oz, a fact which entrenches poverty and dysfunction from generation to generation. The cycle is difficult, but not impossible to break.

And government must break the cycle of disadvantage, individuals can't do it themselves because the NAIRU economic system prevents them from breaking out in sufficient numbers to break the cycle of disadvantage in the communities.

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Not drinking, not neglecting your children, not beating your family are things ONLY you can achieve and you need ZERO help if you want to achieve them. If you don't no government can make you (except by licking you up and putting your dependents into state care).

Control yourself. The power is entirely within you and nobody else. That is why not all Aborigines live in drunken, violent squalor.

Fallacy of composition. You have to reform the NAIRU economy first.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am

Well - this kind of civil unrest and deliberate refusal to abide by laws is just part of their declared war on Australia...

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4c164d34-b935-4cde-bc76-c65134b89907

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:31am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Well - this kind of civil unrest and deliberate refusal to abide by laws is just part of their declared war on Australia...

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4c164d34-b935-4cde-bc76-c65134b89907

It's known as protest, when the system keeps you in poverty-level subsistence, rather than ensuring gainful employment for all.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:54am

Alice Springs - The New KrystallNacht..... only it's not Jewish businesses and homes in Germany - it's White businesses and homes in Australia 2023... and you all think it is hunky-dory.

Nothing that a well-ordered militia couldn't fix in a jiffy.

Bet Howard is re-considering his despotic gun laws now..... hope they come for him.... that'd change his mind in a second.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:59am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Well - this kind of civil unrest and deliberate refusal to abide by laws is just part of their declared war on Australia...

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4c164d34-b935-4cde-bc76-c65134b89907

It's known as protest, when the system keeps you in poverty-level subsistence, rather than ensuring gainful employment for all.

No - it's not a protest - it is deliberately attacking people's homes and businesses and deliberately breaking the laws of the land while the police stand by and watch - a New KrystallNacht... an act of civil war.

A protest is when you see what you saw on Australia Day - with police cars guiding a peaceful march and then a few ratbags showing their true colours and true thoughts about the country that feeds them so well.

Bet if there had been any counter-protest, that lot wouldn't have remained peaceful for long.... look at the spitting hatred on their faces as they applaud that lunatic Thorpe in her pursuit of a civil war.

The True Neo-Nazis of Australia.

Would you be happy if it was YOUR home being ransacked or your business being smashed in a 'protest'?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

showin' your true colours now, graps.

Don't fix the problem, just kill it.

btw, the Nazis were oppressing Jews, the Oz government isn't oppressing blacks - the neoliberal NAIRU orthodoxy is.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

showin' your true colours now, graps.

Don't fix the problem, just kill it.

btw, the Nazis were oppressing Jews, the Oz government isn't oppressing blacks - the neoliberal NAIRU orthodoxy is.

Totally backwards as usual.... the Blacks are oppressing the Whites, the New Jews, in The Alice, not that you'd understand that - and are engaging in their KrystallNacht while the authorities stand by and watch.

How many times and ways do you need that simple concept explained to you?

It is not I showing any 'true colours' - it is Albo and all the rest of them who are supposed to be upholding the law and protecting people and property.

In such a situation of breakdown of civil authority and order- the only recourse is to a well-ordered militia or sworn posse comitatus to restore peace and law.

Do you not understand the basic theme of Wyatt Earp and The Vendetta? There can only be one law..... no matter who holds the badges... remember the Vendetta? One set of law officers against another... federal United States marshals against locally sworn 'police' who were in reality criminals. Can't see the comparison?

When the civil authorities cannot control a situation or refuse to control it .... there are other recourses, such as Federal intervention with force to compel peace and order..... or a sworn group of locals must do it for themselves....

Maybe try some LSD or something to open up your mind.... give you some hope of catching up with those much smarter.

Amazing that you could even begin to consider such blatant criminal behaviour as merely a protest.

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:18pm

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:54am:

showin' your true colours now, graps.

Don't fix the problem, just kill it.

btw, the Nazis were oppressing Jews, the Oz government isn't oppressing blacks - the neoliberal NAIRU orthodoxy is.

Totally backwards as usual....

hey... that's my line, not yours....

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the Blacks are oppressing the Whites, the New Jews, in The Alice, not that you'd understand that - and are engaging in their KrystallNacht while the authorities stand by and watch.

Wrong analysis as always, resulting from delusional individual rights ideology.

The Jews were a wealthy minority in Berlin; whereas whites are the wealthy majority in the Alice.

The racist Nazi authorities/government did indeed oppress the Jews, whereas economically disadvantaged blacks are attacking the (mainly prosperous) whites who are satisfied with their government, a government which blacks perceive (wrongly) as their oppressor.

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How many times and ways do you need that simple concept explained to you?

You need to ask that of yourself.

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It is not I showing any 'true colours' - it is Albo and all the rest of them who are supposed to be upholding the law and protecting people and property.

Your error revealed above: the blacks are (wrongly) blaming whites and 'their' government; hence the misplaced calls for 'sovereignty'.

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In such a situation of breakdown of civil authority and order- the only recourse is to a well-ordered militia or sworn posse comitatus to restore peace and law.

Maybe, but the immediate, indeed simultaneous need is to address the black economic disadvantage aka 'the gap'.....

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Do you not understand the basic theme of Wyatt Earp and The Vendetta? There can only be one law..... no matter who holds the badges... remember the Vendetta? One set of law officers against another... federal United States marshals against locally sworn 'police' who were in reality criminals. Can't see the comparison?

The lawlessness of the Wild West.... not a good scenario to develop a theory of cohesive community relations....

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When the civil authorities cannot control a situation or refuse to control it .... there are other recourses, such as Federal intervention with force to compel peace and order..... or a sworn group of locals must do it for themselves....

Addressed above, immediate restoration of order, AND addressing the causes (economic disadvantage and cultural mythology) must be addressed.

Quote:

Maybe try some LSD or something to open up your mind.... give you some hope of catching up with those much smarter.

Amazing that you could even begin to consider such blatant criminal behaviour as merely a protest.

Poor graps; thinks locking 'em up will close the gap....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

Stupid ideological bollocks.

"Sorry, officer, the SYSTEM made me drink more then I can handle and then the SYSTEM made me rape my 12 year old cousin and beat my wife and break her nose. It is also the SYSTEM that expects me to care for my children and send them to school but then the SYSTEM makes me neglect my own own children and leave them hungry and delinquent".

Your idea of the "system makes them do it" is so idiotic as to be insane. How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 9:25pm

.............................in breaking news..................... there are unconfirmed reports that a massive convoy of posse members, all sworn in by the community of Alice Springs to intervene in the absence of of proper protection from police and government.... has crossed the borders from South Australia, Queensland and New South Wales... first reports are that the majority of oosse members are Veterans with experience in putting down insurrection...... more as this unfolds................... on Grappler Newsfront ..............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lamYp2WsJVA

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:41am

Gotta love that NT police commissioner - "we're not going to arrest our way out of this one".... then what are you doing while people's homes and businesses are being ransacked?

Bet you'd have no trouble finding the manpower if a group of armed white people showed up to defend person and property up there. Different rules, eh? Because White people have jobs and you can rip them off for money and nobody will protest and carry on for them ....

This country is getting sicker by the day, and those running it are the principal reason for this.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:23pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

It's only fair ey?

They who have nothing - steal & wreck from those who have something....

until they too have nothing. ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:29pm

The NT police, under orders from their 'government' up there that utterly lacks the balls to do anything for whites any more, are complicit in this ethnic cleansing of Whites from central Australia.

That's New Labor for you - gutless unless it's for some group of whining losers, and ready to take up the cudgels in any way to suppress White people here in Australia. Too gutless to stand up for fear of a little bad press... typical sheila thing.... good behind the back but no good out in the open.

You voted for them - I haven't voted for any major party for years and never will the way they are going.

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

"Sorry, officer, the SYSTEM made me drink more then I can handle and then the SYSTEM made me rape my 12 year old cousin and beat my wife and break her nose. It is also the SYSTEM that expects me to care for my children and send them to school but then the SYSTEM makes me neglect my own own children and leave them hungry and delinquent".

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

The majority of blacks in the camps around Alice have adapted to welfare-dependent living in an alcoholic stupor. It's when the young and others move to Alice for whatever reasons the problems in that town begin.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

https://pfes.nt.gov.au/newsroom/2023/robbery-alice-springs

"A 28 year-old male is in hospital after smashing a window causing a laceration to his wrist while trying to resist police earlier today.

Police attended the male’s home address in Alice Springs after he was identified on CCTV allegedly attempting to steal clothing from a business in the town’s CBD this morning. The proprietor of the business stopped the theft and was allegedly assaulted.

When police arrived at the home the male allegedly resisted arrest and became barricaded in a bathroom after throwing glass items at police.

While barricaded in the bathroom the offender smashed a window which caused a laceration to his wrist and an arterial bleed.

Members then forced their way into the bathroom where a short struggle ensued and the man was tasered during the arrest.

After applying first aid, police conveyed the male to the Alice Springs Hospital where he is in a stable condition.

The matter is being treated as a Serious Custody Incident. "

One down!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 7:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

A good news story from Alice.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 8:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

You are as stupid and evil as Bbwian.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:57pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

So it's everyone else's fault they chose that path? Well - if they are causing problems they must be stopped - why should normal people pay for their wrongdoings over and over?

One day it will come to something much more serious.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 1:24pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

Regardless of whose failt it is, as Price says: "the nation must fix the mess".

Pity about that...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:20pm

evolution

extinction

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

Well, they are not very proud of their 40k year culture, then, are they?
Why are they not cultivating and nurturing their old ways if those ways were so great?? Or are they, actually?

Please explain.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 3:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

Well, they are not very proud of their 40k year culture, then, are they?

Most of them have been totally demoralized by the forced eclipse of their culture, but some are fighting back, either destructively, or via a "proud first nations'" ideology.

Quote:

Why are they not cultivating and nurturing their old ways if those ways were so great?? Or are they, actually?

It's impossible to revert to/nurture a h-g culture in the modern money-based world.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 3:03pm

they were are and always have been savages who rape murder and eat children

I see nothing of value

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 4:20pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 6:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 3:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

That's correct. You are learning, albeit slowly.

Quote:

How does the SYSTEM fail to make the vast majority of the population act like that? Including the majority of the Aboriginal population??

Well, they are not very proud of their 40k year culture, then, are they?

Most of them have been totally demoralized by the forced eclipse of their culture, but some are fighting back, either destructively, or via a "proud first nations'" ideology.

[quote]Why are they not cultivating and nurturing their old ways if those ways were so great?? Or are they, actually?

It's impossible to revert to/nurture a h-g culture in the modern money-based world.

[/quote]
So not returning to the old and not embracing the new - that's the Aboriginal activist way, the Green Blek way, the Lividia way.

"Pay the rent" is an ancient Dreamtime concept, innit.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am

Out of control

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/nurse-films-fracas-in-alice-springs/cldj9i25d00260jmiv6l4g40h

Listen to what the nurse said she saw

I have seen all of this and more - horror

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

People can't live in denial of this.
It needs to be on billboards throughout Australia.
The arse holes like brian ross et al need to be put in their place, perhaps mandated to travel out there and live within the community. After all, they're the reason this is happening and untill action is taken to expose these groups (a public broadcast at prime time across every channel) and to inform Australia about the ongoing problems and the fact that a small minority are managing to silence the truth.

Makes you wonder if ross and his buddies are actually earning a good living from keeping the truth from being exposed.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Everything she said is the truth

I have seen it all and copped abuse from wankers out of touch with reality

I have seen it for years and I have seen worse

Nobody believes me - but I do not lie

Where is the voice of the little buttered girl?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Buttered?? ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:12am

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Buttered?? ;D

Buttered

an 8 year old girl raped and the rapist used butter as a lubricant and she never cried or made a noise because she is used to it

listen to what the nurse said

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:14am

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Exactly.
That piece of info got my blood boiling.
Society has a habit of feeling sorry for the perp while ignoring the victim.
Poor little girl.
If I had the money I'd help them all.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:15am

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Buttered?? ;D

Gnads, watch the clip.

I'm sure you didn't mean to laugh.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am

Living in the NT for many years and working for the Health Department - I have seen all of this and worse as an ambo.

I have PTSD because of it - and when I tell people what I saw I get abused.

Listen to this nurse

I saw worse

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/nurse-films-fracas-in-alice-springs/cldj9i25d00260jmiv6l4g40h

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Nemo on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:24am

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am:

Horrific account of child rape.

Meanwhile, Albo pushes his pet project - the Voice.

What a useless load of BS that is.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:33am

They need to start by putting the bulldozers through these bloody camps and 'communities'.

Take the kids into care as wards of the State, and force them to attend school.

Force the adults into regular accommodation, mandatory rehab/detox if required, work and/or
training - or no dole money.

Jail those who will not comply, or who keep heading back to the camps.

There is no reason why Aborigines are any less intelligent or capable than any other race, as
many Aboriginals have proven over the decades. Soldiers, statesmen, politicians, leaders. I
personally know several - all good workers with loving families and well-behaved kids, and
some are quite well-off.

But we MUST stop tolerating and rewarding the behaviour of these fringe-dwelling mobs of
thugs and crims.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:38am

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:24am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am:

Horrific account of child rape.

Meanwhile, Albo pushes his pet project - the Voice.

What a useless load of BS that is.

Why do you conservatives fear this so much?

It might just have the effect of pushing the government to actually address the issue.

But it seems you lot simply can't handle the idea of Aborigines even HAVING a say.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:49am

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:38am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:24am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am:

Horrific account of child rape.

Meanwhile, Albo pushes his pet project - the Voice.

What a useless load of BS that is.

They already have a Voice - elected to parliament

They had a Voice called ATSIC and it was a complete disaster so it was abolished

Now with "The Voice" in the Constitution it will be a disaster like ASIC only it cannot be abolished because it is in the Constitution.

They could legislate a voice but no it will be a disaster that can be removed.

In the Constitution it will be a disaster that can never be removed

Get it now?

You can fool some of the people all of the time

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:21am

I was struck that Aboriginal grandmothers, their offspring out of control and raging the streets, actually had time to demand a Voice, rather than demanding that something be done to fix the very real problems.

You would have thought their first concern would be whether or not some of the little bastards ended up dead or in prison, carrying on the way they are, since at some point it looks inevitable that someone or ones will snap and start shooting.

Shows the kinds of priorities they have, and if you ask me, they are encouraging the little bastards to carry on their war against Whitey so they can push for this voice. Been asking where the Elders and parents are in all this - the Invisible People who never once come along and grab little Ngunnawunya by the hand and tell him to get home and stop rioting.

Finest reason yet to say NO.... clearly they don't give a rat's about the future for these kids who will one day end up in prison or dead.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:49am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC58iaacFq0

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Nemo on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:56am

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:38am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:24am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am:

Horrific account of child rape.

Meanwhile, Albo pushes his pet project - the Voice.

What a useless load of BS that is.

IMHO a lobby group works against the notion of one vote one value. An unelected group of people having a disproportionate influence on parliament is not something I support. I don't care what type of lobby group, none should be enshrined.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 10:06am

What is appalling is that this clearly looks like a deliberate campaign of civil unrest and property damage and so forth - and those responsible are doing nothing about it, just allowing it to go on and on for years. You can bet if some householder or shop owner erupted during an attack and fought back - there'd be hell to pay and cops everywhere and whining about the poor little victim kids.

Just move 'em on... and out of town.

Someone expressed the concern last night on Q & A that a government could choose to ignore its advice... well - yeah - that's the essence of an 'advisory only group'.... well - it seems that governments at all levels are choosing to ignore the reality for thousands of our citizens, by doing nothing to even attempt to put and end to this.

I ask again - where are the parents and elders AND the politicians? Standing back and applauding this on so they can use it for their advantage in this NON-issue of a voice?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:33am:

Wow.
I agree 100%.
Well said.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:35am

The sh!t is hitting the fan now, 2,000 locals turn out yesterday to vent their frusration.

Our Abbo cock sucking ABC and their Abbo roving reporter see things diferently, they can only get away with their BS for so long "THIS IS WAR".

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/alice-springs-residents-weigh-1-5-billion-class-action-bid-against-northern-territory-government-amid-crime-wave/ar-AA16UHf6?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4913a5ed0028474894cf065549e55408#comments

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:57am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 4:20pm:

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yeah, yeah, whatever, racist bigot... Tsk, tsk, tsk... 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 1:16pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:57am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 4:20pm:

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yeah, yeah, whatever, racist bigot... Tsk, tsk, tsk... 8-) 8-)

Yes, Brian's 'contributions' can become rather tiresome.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 1:37pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11694609/Rachel-Hale-nurse-witness-youths-laying-siege-Alice-Springs-hotel-breaks-silence.html?login&fbclid=IwAR2t8bECLJYaU_Tdyk9zMJMCpMs9KI14d97qLLPGJ1wbGk55DtcgPaeQwJA#article-11694609

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 1:57pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by aquascoot on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 2:01pm

i never had any problem chatting with aborigines in the territory.
usually we connected over hunting or fishing or horses or which rugby league team they supported.

you dont strike me as hunting fishing walkabout horse riding footy player bwian.

if you were dropped from a chopper into arakun, how do you think you would get on with the locals?

do you think they sit around discussing the nuances of the voice proposal ? :D :D :D
or what andy berkowitz thinks about the second amendment :D :D :D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 2:15pm

https://twitter.com/meanwhileinau/status/1620265264385515520

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 2:42pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 2:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 1:57pm:

~~Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)~~

Yeah yeah......You pathetic old tosser ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:00pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 2:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 1:57pm:

~~Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)~~

Yeah yeah......You pathetic old tosser ::) ::)

He loves it - the more disease with little children the more he loves it

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:24pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:40pm

Tell the kids to go home and do their schoolwork
or they'll be losers forever.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Tell the kids to go home and do their schoolwork
or they'll be losers forever.

Yes, the bloody scallywags, send in the truant officers and the military.

Alice is starting to make it into the MSM with that nurses eye witness account video getting around, the locals came out in their thousands yesterday to discuss the crisis. Alice is on tinder hooks. Albo is busy at the tennis drinking Carona while the Boongs drink VB and loot.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:54pm

Maybe the Alice Cheer Mobs need to watch some Tennis like Albo when drinking beer?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:57pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Maybe the Alice Cheer Mobs need to watch some Tennis like Albo when drinking beer?

Give everyone a weeks notice and blow the joint up, BOOM

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm

Maybe send in Johnnie Farnham, Yothu-Yindi, Delta Goodrem and all the other Media farts to sing some songs of peace and love? :D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:07pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Maybe send in Johnnie Farnham, Yothu-Yindi, Delta Goodrem and all the other Media farts to sing some songs of peace and love? :D

Yes send in Johnnie and the voice try and understand it and then send parra Peter Garrett beds are burning (he burnt many) and Thorpe with a war stick screaming "THIS IS WAR". Then blow the shithole up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Bobby. on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:18pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Tell the kids to go home and do their schoolwork
or they'll be losers forever.

Maybe if they brought back the cane at school for those
who fail their homework it would provide motivation for them?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:40pm:

Tell the kids to go home and do their schoolwork
or they'll be losers forever.

Maybe if they brought back the cane at school for those
who fail their homework it would provide motivation for them?

It worked for me but it's a different era now, there needs to be a boot camp for these out of control Boongs.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Xavier on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:28pm

You destroyed them. You clean up the mess. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:35pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:28pm:

You destroyed them. You clean up the mess. ;D

They have had 250yrs to adapt to civilisation, the time has come to round em up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:42pm

... and the hits just keep on coming......

https://au.news.yahoo.com/dramatic-scenes-outside-darwin-woolworths-as-tensions-flare-so-sad-025321815.html?utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=EDM&utm_campaign=EDM&utm_term=News&ncid=newsletter_edm_uf9cw7lph94

"Video of the moment a man launches pot plants outside a Darwin Woolworths has prompted claims residents are scared to leave their homes, as business owners say a change is desperately needed.

The footage was uploaded online late on Monday and shows the shirtless man grab a pot from inside the CBD Plaza and throw it on the ground, sending soil across the floor of the shopping complex.

A security guard manages to prevent the man from throwing another before escorting him outside."

More to read - do some work. No arrest etc... what kind of message does that send?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:44pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:28pm:

You destroyed them. You clean up the mess. ;D

Never touched one of them - they can clean up their own mess. Where's dividie to preach to us about saving them with jobs and money ... anyone reckon that bloke in Darwin will jump at the chance for a job?

One Law For All! All Laws For One!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:42pm:

Alice could turn into a Cronulla Beach, the locals are up in arms.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 6:04pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:42pm:

Alice could turn into a Cronulla Beach, the locals are up in arms.

If that were to happen - there'd be more cops than you could count suddenly, and they'd be arresting whites for riot etc... same as Cronulla.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:18pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 6:04pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:42pm:

Alice could turn into a Cronulla Beach, the locals are up in arms.

If that were to happen - there'd be more cops than you could count suddenly, and they'd be arresting whites for riot etc... same as Cronulla.

The Abbos would have the joint surrounded within a couple of days and then they would have to bring in the Army. War in Alice.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:07pm

Oh, FFS - this Granuiad/ABC approach IS the problem.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/31/hostile-alice-springs-meeting-exposes-deep-division-in-battered-town

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:28pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:07pm:

Oh, FFS - this Granuiad/ABC approach IS the problem.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/31/hostile-alice-springs-meeting-exposes-deep-division-in-battered-town

Ah - I get it now - silly me... the problem isn't the vast gangs of Aboriginal youth going around town smashing and fighting and stealing and so forth... it's the possibility that drunken young white men might go around causing trouble in response.. or that vigilante action might erupt for apparently no reason!!! Silly me....

Gotcha, chief! The Abos are the victims here, and all the money intended to try to resolve the problems should rightly be handed to them to do it for themselves, despite the fact that they have never done it for themselves ever..... truly the mind boggles at the mighty party that would follow...

Terrible to hear that an aboriginal bloke might actually go to a meeting unaware of the rising anger in the town over Abo actions, and not realise that the mood might be hostile about those actions... and that there might even be a class action against the government for its inaction. D'ya think he might have felt frightened? Intimidated? Uncertain? Fearful?

WTF does he imagine the locals feel every damned day with all these Blacks On The Rampage?

Poor innocent Abos... how will they ever be able to handle a voice if they are so out of touch with the simple reality that is around them every day and night there? Just never noticed all that trouble... what's the fuss from you Wharties here causing all this trouble?

Lock 'em out of town then and let them live their pure pristine existence unsullied by the White Man's Ways.

Lay it out straight for them - You show US that you can get your kids to school, feed them, keep them home at night, give them good values and standards and role models, that the older ones can start some vocational training and show us a plan for bettering the whole community with trained people being generated, cut back on the property damage, thieving and violence - and we'll consider what can be done to help you make your own way and we might let you back in town - but don't come in here demanding that we hand over all the money intended for use to improve things to those who need improving. You've got a week to work it out - after that the moratorium on arrests is off and the arrests and incarceration start again.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:10am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:07pm:

Oh, FFS - this Granuiad/ABC approach IS the problem.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/31/hostile-alice-springs-meeting-exposes-deep-division-in-battered-town

Declan Gillick would be the first cnut knocked out, while he stands there protecting his cheers.
Declan gillick is the problem.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 6:40am

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:28pm:

You destroyed them. You clean up the mess. ;D

Deluded fool

they are what they are

they have always been violent and savage - and always will be

they have always raped murdered and eaten children

they were doing it before Cook and still do it now

They are just being themselves

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:16am

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:12am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Buttered?? ;D

Buttered

an 8 year old girl raped and the rapist used butter as a lubricant and she never cried or made a noise because she is used to it

listen to what the nurse said

The sick phukk

I'd heard of another incident on Mornington Island years ago where butter was used..... the child was only 2 yrs old.... ended up with severe injuries - rectal & vaginal as well as a dose of gonorrhea.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:18am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:15am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:56am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:42am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:23am:

Buttered?? ;D

Gnads, watch the clip.

I'm sure you didn't mean to laugh.

No ... I thought he'd made a spelling error.

It's not the first time butter has been used in remote communities in child sex abuse cases.

The sick phukkks

Edit: I went to watch the clip & it looks like it has been removed. The link just opens on a 9News menu page - the story/clip isn't there.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:30am

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:38am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:24am:

Boris wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:19am:

Horrific account of child rape.

Meanwhile, Albo pushes his pet project - the Voice.

What a useless load of BS that is.

Rubbish ..... they already have a say ...... with 11 Federal Parliamentarians & Senators....

why should they have a separate race based unelected voice/representation to Parliament enshrined in the Constitution?

As for the solutions you posted in your previous post..... how very "conservative" your ideas are... probably classed as racist by the woke crowd..

which I thought was where a leftoid like you was classed.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:33am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:33am:

Wow.
I agree 100%.
Well said.

Total turnaround from the looney leftist commentary Kat usually delivers.....yes?

That little speech would bring ire from Mothballs et al methinks. ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:35am

Jasin wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:28pm:

You destroyed them. You clean up the mess. ;D

Talking through your arse again.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:42am

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:33am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:33am:

Wow.
I agree 100%.
Well said.

Total turnaround from the looney leftist commentary Kat usually delivers.....yes?

That little speech would bring ire from Mothballs et al methinks. ;D

Easy as pie - all you have to do is get them to co-operate, keep the media in line and not jumping up and down about racism and oppression and destroying their culture, crying about rights and going to the United Nations, stop them whining about intervention that they firstly refuse and then reject and fight against when it comes and refuse to co-operate with, make their dole money dependent on progress being made ... Albo's infamous Key Performance Indicators without which there would be no progress on a voice (what a farce and outright lie), and make it part of the deal that they find and continue ongoing solutions to all their own problems.

Simple, eh?

Now where's dividie to tell us that all we need to do is slip 'em a bigger cut of the pie (again) and everything will be jake....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:43am

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:33am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:11am:

Kat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 8:33am:

Wow.
I agree 100%.
Well said.

Total turnaround from the looney leftist commentary Kat usually delivers.....yes?

That little speech would bring ire from Mothballs et al methinks. ;D

Good 👍

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:55am

Look at this BS everyone!

Post global Covid/post global recession and look at the millions thrown here just by the LIBERAL NSW govt ffs!

78D3503C-1668-4CB8-94A4-EC77744B356D.jpeg (197 KB | 19 )

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 8:02am

About $1 billion spent by the NSW Liberal govt on how many people?

F06C3D0A-0C97-42FE-81B3-A63BD471F3A0.jpeg (49 KB | 15 )

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 9:43am

axes machetes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mpZ5Hgihd8

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by The Grappler on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 11:11am

"Elder Patrol" - once done in conjunction with the council and now 'lapsed', just like so many other things, and as I've been pointing out to dividie, including his fabled CDEP. NO good initiatives or learning is continued past funding or passed on or even utilised in improving the communities, and certainly never on a volunteer basis.

Why?

Simply because the 'cargo cult' mentality continues to prevail, and services are expected to just arrive; because unless the good easy money is there there is no ambition to use skills for the betterment of the community; and because most would simply prefer the easy and non-working lifestyle afforded by social security in which they also nobly have no obligation to abide by any of Whartey's ways.

In other words - they simply do not want to do things that way, are under no real obligation to do so, and yet expect somehow that all moneys organised to relieve the very real problems in their communities should go to them direct and be handled by them.

Thus they risk the very same things they say they abhor so much - intervention, removal of children, and imposed regulation on what they can buy, a position supported 100% by Les Trendies and much of the media.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

60,000yrs of culture on display for everyone to see in Alice despite the vain attempt by the ABC to whitewash it, the latte woke community are gobsmacked.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:25pm

60,000 years - and all they did was make a fart noise down a hollow log

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG9ZX1FS20A

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, just **** off you bloody dickheaddle.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Kat on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 3:14pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

60,000yrs of culture on display for everyone to see in Alice despite the vain attempt by the ABC to whitewash it, the latte woke community are gobsmacked.

Your betters, in other words.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 3:15pm

Boris wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:25pm:

60,000 years - and all they did was make a fart noise down a hollow log

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG9ZX1FS20A

That is their music culture but its not music its just a pretty good fart noise, their dance culture after 60,000yrs consisted of the Emu dance, the only culture they have now is VB culture.

https://youtu.be/WfHggKwIVG4

I am hearing on my VHF today that there is relative quiet in Alice, the MSM reporting might have shut them down, for now, the alcohol will be flowing again tomorrow.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 3:24pm

Kat wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

60,000yrs of culture on display for everyone to see in Alice despite the vain attempt by the ABC to whitewash it, the latte woke community are gobsmacked.

Your betters, in other words.

I would be more aware of what is going on out there than them mob, they just bury their head in the sand like Emus at the first sign of trouble, not even trouble, anything that the latte woke poofs don't go along with.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 4:11pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, just **** off you bloody dickheaddle.

Immigrant. Second class citizen. Go home to Denmark. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 4:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, just **** off you bloody dickheaddle.

Immigrant. Second class citizen. Go home to Denmark. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

And you would STILL remain a disgraceful, despicable moronic dickheaddle, Bbwian, you spineless, vain and smug poseur.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:24pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 4:11pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, just **** off you bloody dickheaddle.

Immigrant. Second class citizen. Go home to Denmark. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

And you would STILL remain a disgraceful, despicable moronic dickheaddle, Bbwian, you spineless, vain and smug poseur.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you immigrants do give into your emotions, now don't you? Hardly makes you able to call yourself an Australian, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:36pm

Kat wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

60,000yrs of culture on display for everyone to see in Alice despite the vain attempt by the ABC to whitewash it, the latte woke community are gobsmacked.

Your betters, in other words.

;D You would have exactly no clue. You're a woke idiot.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:52pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Adelaide is not that bad, Bwain in no way reflects the general Adelaide community, he is an outcast.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Adelaide is not that bad, Bwain in no way reflects the general Adelaide community, he is an outcast.

Don't down play the sick phukks that have tarnished Adelaide.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Johnnie on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 6:03pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Adelaide is not that bad, Bwain in no way reflects the general Adelaide community, he is an outcast.

Don't down play the sick phukks that have tarnished Adelaide.

Adelbrain has had more than its fair share of sick phukks.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:55pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Really? Who said I was Adelaide? I believe in doing other things than just criticising people all the time as you and the other Racists are doing continually. But what else would I expect from people from hick Eastern states... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:58pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

Adelaide is not that bad, Bwain in no way reflects the general Adelaide community, he is an outcast.

How the hell would you know, Hammer? You're from that backward place, Queensland where all the hicks congregate. "You are now entering Queensland, please turn your watch back thirty years," was what all the airline pilots used to say... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 7:41am

Restoring community standards.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1622682902134722568

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 7:55am

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Oh, just **** off you bloody dickheaddle.

Bwianaki Rossopoulos is pretty much a bona fide spammer. A rebel without a clue. Or a cause.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 8:07am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

you are a sick old individual.

But that doesn't surprise me for someone from Adelaide.

You lying old hypocrite .... you do the same here every day.

You continually criticize others calling them racists because they don't hold your self loathing woke views.

NAFF OFF

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:34am

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

It's mirror time.

FYI, the dysfunction we see in black communities is a result of the destruction of the black culture at the barrel of a gun. DV and opportunistic child assault was not part of the black culture.

The real problem is the welfare dependency forced onto blacks unable to compete in the modern money economy. Hint: there was no welfare dependency in a h-g economy.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:46am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:34am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

BS .. you think you know everything but you're sadly lacking.

Try that the DV, sexual assault was & is part of their culture.

There are many "black" races ... they all have different cultures.

Don't generalise with your bs about what you believe about the "noble" Aboriginal of the past.

BTW we were all Aboriginals of Africa at one stage.

235 years later the hunter gatherer economy is no longer relevant.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 11:06am

Gnads wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:34am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:21pm:

At least now everyone in Australia and just those from regional areas know exactly what Abbo culture is despite our ABC's denial.

You really are a lost cause, Hammer. Give up your anti-ABC Racist rants, please. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You are an enabler of DV & child assault & sexual abuse.....

Welfare dependency - and its associated evils - is a characteristic of OUR economy, not the h-g economy.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 12:47pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:03am:

Tribal war in Alice
https://mobile.twitter.com/australian/status/1617303296645136384

https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1909122717426557056

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Jasin on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:10pm

Never knew that being racially black is a cultural thing?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 7:33pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Never knew that being racially black is a cultural thing?

'Black' is a social construct - a person cannot be identified as Black by the colour of skin - but only by the way that person exists... blah, blah, blah... on that basis there is no difference between Black crime and any other colour crime - and therefore the entire society is responsible for all Black Crime... 93% dead women show that clearly...

It's time to stop pussy-footing around this madness - and take it head on ... punish criminals or give them a Two State Solution...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 8:15pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Never knew that being racially black is a cultural thing?

And it helps to have had European grandparents.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 9:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Never knew that being racially black is a cultural thing?

Holger Danske, innit... he LOOKS it...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 6:39am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 8:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 7:33pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 5:10pm:

Never knew that being racially black is a cultural thing?

And it helps to have had European grandparents.

Indeed - the Unconscious Privilege of being White in reality means that it is easy to Transition to being Black by using White Man's rules - and when a serious exposure threatens, one can instantly revert to being White... or even better - have a solid footing in both camps and secure benefits from both, while holding an unassailable position by being both victim and predator at the same time and able to shape shift between the two at will!!!!!

Having no such White Privilege and thus opportunity to choose race, no Black Fullah ever succeeds in claiming self to be White... and perhaps even worse, ever gets to stake a claim in both camps ..... oh, yes - we see the truth there!! Discrimination writ large!!!

Oh, yes - you never see a Keffir advantaged by being able to claim a different group identity, do you - so his only way of getting a grip on the rivers of gold flowing down from the Cambra Hills is to be the Perpetual Victim.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am

A female Danish tourist was knocked unconscious and stomped on in a savage unprovoked attack just hours after arriving in Alice Springs, allegedly by a violent aboriginal criminal who was spared jail in December for attacking police.

Christopher Lee Maxwell, 22, appeared in Alice Springs Local Court on Wednesday charged with aggravated assault, and while he did not apply for bail and was remanded in custody he indicated he would fight the charges, NT News reported.

The 21-year-old woman had only been in the aboriginal crime-plagued outback town for a few hours when she took at walk down South Terrace next to the Todd River at about 4pm and Maxwell allegedly started throwing rocks at her.

NT Police Southern Watch Commander Marc Watson said Maxwell then punched her before stomping on her head and chest as she lay unconscious on the ground. “It was a shocking unprovoked incident that no one should be subjected to,” he said.

Two members of the public intervened, and the tourist was taken to hospital in a stable condition with non-life threatening injuries. She has since left Alice Springs, which was last year ranked the 18th most dangerous city in the world.

In December last year Maxwell pleaded guilty to two counts of assaulting police, an offence with a maximum penalty of seven years’ jail, and one count of being armed with an offensive weapon. The court heard he went on a rampage with a plank of wood in the Alice Springs Coles carpark before punching a female officer in the head.

His lawyer told the court his mother drank alcohol while she was pregnant with him, he was “functionally illiterate”, and is a “highly vulnerable young man”. Judge Anthony Hopkins sentenced him to just one month in prison, but suspended it immediately and told him: “You’ve got to promise to stay out of trouble for six months.”

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 9:40am

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

He probably has brain damage and certainly was 'raised to be tough' by bashings etc himself. There is no known cure other than total isolation from the rest of humanity, for his and their best good.

A Homeland is becoming more and more of a necessity by the day. Now, now, boys and girls - you KNOW by now that The Park is first and foremost for those who WANT their own state without all the White man's interference etc - do it their way, and that it is demanded by that Tarneen sheila and Lividia Thorpe in Melbadishu and the likes of Michael Mansell and also by many of the congregation members in the 'development of the voice statement' list of demands..... and that after its creation, those wanting out of The White Man's Way can go there with all their native tools and equipment and lore and only come back when they want to fit in - and that the incurable criminals will be sent there for tribal justice and sorting out, their way.

It's not a concentration camp - its simply giving them what they want, demand and in some cases need.

This guy would be a perfect applicant.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:32am

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

His lawyer told the court his mother drank alcohol while she was pregnant with him, he was “functionally illiterate”, and is a “highly vulnerable young man”. Judge Anthony Hopkins sentenced him to just one month in prison, but suspended it immediately and told him: “You’ve got to promise to stay out of trouble for six months.”

Just shows how out of touch these 'ivy-league' lawyers are with the realities of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage.

Indeed he probably has brain damage (specifically, FAS), and is a danger to the community and himself (a "highly vulnerable young man" - god help us...)

But here's the thing: the Oz government - via both sides of politics - are complicit in these social catastrophes (both for the victim and perpetrator).

Acceptance of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage leading to these outcomes is criminal in itself. Ouch.

Today I heard Janet Yellen say: "Trump is creating chaos in our perfectly well-performing economy".

And she has no idea why the Dems - 'the 'party of the workers' (sic) - were defeated.

Deplorable.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:52am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

Indeed he has probably has brain damage (specifically, FAS), and is a danger to the community and himself (a "highly vulnerable young man" - god help us...)

But here's the thing: the Oz government - via both sides of politics - are complicit in these social catastrophes (both for the victim and perpetrator).

Acceptance of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage leading to these outcomes is criminal in itself. Ouch.

Today I heard Janet Yellen say: "Trump is creating chaos in our perfectly well-performing economy".

And she has no idea why the Dems - 'the 'party of the workers' (sic) - were defeated.

Deplorable.

Just shows how out of touch these 'ivy-league' lawyers are with the realities of using substance abuse when you are advised better to justify never getting out of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage.

FAS and DAS are generational - and clearly a serious part of the underlying issues.... ban the booze and save the future generations.

The clear need for a Homeland is becoming clearer by the day.

On the one hand, all the wowsers screech that you CANNOT take away from these victim creators 'their personal agency' - and then at the same time screech that ALL must surrender their personal agency to the State.... how bizarre!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 6:52pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 10:32am:

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am:

Can you rephrase that sentence? I can't decipher it's meaning.

eg,

1. "using substance abuse".... who is "using substance abuse"?

2. "When you are advised better" .... advised better by whom?

3. "to justify never getting out of s-e-d" .....clearly the fetus isn't responsible for the mother's alcohol abuse; and indeed alcohol abuse is higher amongst socio- economically disadavntaged groups.
You are reversing cause and effect, as to be expected from your 'personal responsibility' mantra.

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FAS and DAS are generational - and clearly a serious part of the underlying issues.... ban the booze and save the future generations.

Obviously only a short term solution; longterm requires eradication of entrenched s-e-d, a government responsibilty since it's a macro economic problem, not an individual (micro econmic, 'personal responsibility') problem.

"Generational poverty" IS an entrenced s-e-d problem, go to Darwin to see it for yourself, among the unemployed, welfare dependent section of the black population.

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The clear need for a Homeland is becoming clearer by the day.

No, apartheid is not an acceptable solution to the problem, in a modern society.

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On the one hand, all the wowsers screech that you CANNOT take away from these victim creators 'their personal agency' -

Who are the "victim creators" doing that?

The dense lawyers mentioned at the top? Or delusional "freedom values", and/or "human rights" preachers who can't see the role of entrenched poverty in this s-e-d disaster?

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and then at the same time screech that ALL must surrender their personal agency to the State.... how bizarre!!

Again, you haven't said who you are referring to.

The state only demands adherence to the law, not "surrendering of personal agency".

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:27am

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:35am

Ah, so - Honolable Tlanslatah here!

"Just shows how out of touch these 'ivy-league' lawyers are with the realities ........ of using substance abuse when you are advised better (no touch-a do bloodeh booze when you up-a da duff!) ....... to justify never getting out of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage (no use the booze you abuse to create your own socio-economic disadvantage as excuse for you failures in life for your kid be asshole with drain bamage - OK?!!). "

Easy as pie.... englisi yad begir ahmagh

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:48am

Alice Springs out of control on a daily basis - and nothing changes.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 4:55pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 11:35am:

Ah - "when you are advised better" .... assuming you ARE "advised better", advice which many people in dysfunctional families who fall through the cracks in our failing social security/"welfare" system do NOT receive.

And listen up: the individual doesn't create his own s-e-d, no individual on the planet wants to do that; its a consequence of failing macro-economic forces; some manage to escape s-e-d, many don't, and some fall into it via ill-health, unemployment, marriage break-down, etc.

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Easy as pie.... englisi yad begir ahmagh

Not so easy; the government wouldn't be forking out $billions in failing "welfare" if it was easy to fix social ills like unemployment, substance abuse, and FAS.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

For Ou'back community, much effort and cost spent making advertisement and promoting health, using extremely costly flown-in clinics and staff etc, and one of the principal advertisements is ... guess what - 'Do Not Drink Alcohol When Pregnant.

For you, special of house!

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/kidsfamilies/MCFhealth/Pages/fasd-aboriginal-aware-video.aspx

https://drinkwise.org.au/facts-advice/drinkwise-fasd-awareness-program/

No enough advutising for You?

You no come back again!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 6:08pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

No translation required, just a reply to the points I made.

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For Ou'back community, much effort and cost spent making advertisement and promoting health, using extremely costly flown-in clinics and staff etc, and one of the principal advertisements is ... guess what - 'Do Not Drink Alcohol When Pregnant.

yeh, just sit around in squalor with 15 living in a broken house, no access to parts required to repair it, no jobs, just 'suck it up'....superhuman effort required to stay off the grog.

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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/kidsfamilies/MCFhealth/Pages/fasd-aboriginal-aware-video.aspx

https://drinkwise.org.au/facts-advice/drinkwise-fasd-awareness-program/

No enough advutising for You?

The reason why governments are too cowardly to ban grog (apart from the squeals of self-interested publicans) is people living in poverty and squalor, and without work, will riot if they are not p*ssed out of their brains.

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You no come back again!!

Your advertising failed to deal with the entrenched s-e-d!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 7:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

No translation required, just a reply to the points I made.

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yeh, just sit around in squalor with 15 living in a broken house, no access to parts required to repair it, no jobs, just 'suck it up'....superhuman effort required to stay off the grog.

[quote]https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/kidsfamilies/MCFhealth/Pages/fasd-aboriginal-aware-video.aspx

https://drinkwise.org.au/facts-advice/drinkwise-fasd-awareness-program/

No enough advutising for You?

You no come back again!!

Your advertising failed to deal with the entrenched s-e-d!
[/quote]
They sat in the dust for 40 thousand years, no grog.
How did they manage?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 8:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

No translation required, just a reply to the points I made.

Quote:

You no come back again!!

Your advertising failed to deal with the entrenched s-e-d!
[/quote]

Ah, so - you move goa' pos' - shift point of discuss. Now you demand Chairman Mug ban grog for drunks... advertise and say 'no drink bad stuff when womb surround child' not good enough for you?

You first say all problem cause by 'disadvantage' - then say drunks choose to drink - thus choose disadvantage - and so Chairman mus' not stop grog because non-drunk people riot!!

You one velly confuse apparatchik!

Either drunks have personal sovereignty and can choose not to drink, but instead to riot .... great choices there .... or must be kept in punched down on position so they get pissed and cannot riot..... but then ................. their children riot!!!

Same-same .... you want storm trooper or free choice for punched down ons?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 16^th, 2025 at 4:21pm

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 7:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

No translation required, just a reply to the points I made.

Quote:

Your advertising failed to deal with the entrenched s-e-d!
[/quote]
They sat in the dust for 40 thousand years, no grog.
How did they manage?[/quote]

Frank , I credited you with more nous than that.

Please take a moment to consider how groups of hunter-gatherers had to organize their day, and then you will be able to answer your own question.

(Hin't: no grog - and no entrenched 'welfare', the white man's trick, in sight....)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 16^th, 2025 at 4:42pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 8:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 5:06pm:

Honoulabler Tlansrator here:-

No translation required, just a reply to the points I made.

Quote:

You first say all problem cause by 'disadvantage' -

ok, close enough to what I say.

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then say drunks choose to drink..

Didn't you know there is a profound debate re "free will"?

Entrenched s-e-d is related to "choosing" to get drunk every day.

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- thus choose disadvantage -

Not so fast, graps: the ability, or 'free will' to"choose" is highly debated; and in the case of FAS - "the sins of the (mother) are passed unto the next generation"......which has no choice in the matter.

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and so Chairman mus' not stop grog because non-drunk people riot!!

Hopefully "Chairman" will implement his stated policy of 'common prosperity', so people can love living while sober....

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You one velly confuse apparatchik!

Refuted abo...oh, never mind.

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Either drunks have personal sovereignty and can choose not to drink, but instead to riot .... great choices there .... or must be kept in punched down on position so they get pissed and cannot riot..... but then ................. their children riot!!!

You are piling error on error: the degree of personal sovereignty', in dysfunctional macro-ecomomic settings eg high unemployment, is moot, as noted above.

And the "sins of the fathers ARE indeed passed onto the next generations".

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Same-same .... you want storm trooper or free choice for punched down ons?

ah -ha , the delusional Libertarian rears his head, again.

Law must be enforced, yes, to avoid anarchy among delusional 'sovereign citizens' who don't always agree with one-another.

The question is the quality of the law.

[And the degree of 'free choice" for different people in different scenarios is difficult to ascertain; the brain damage of a FAS sufferer is certainly a limiting factor in "free-choice" - which is why ivy-league lawyers tend to hand out ridiculously light sentences when such people are a danger to themselves and society if free to roam the streets].

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 10:43am

The problem is FAS - Foetal Aboriginal Syndrome - born to it and persist with it through a lifetime, refusing all opportunities to get out of it, but instead preferring the 'old ways' of kill and be killed.

What do you mean - no access to repairs? The money is river-boated to them in the millions ... so ... I take it you are now onboard with the Audits of where that money is actually going.... though I doubt it .. you have some odd axe of your own to grind into someone's skull without reason - like The True Primitive... you should go join them and raise their flag for truth, justice and the Aboriginal way... but like all the blue-haired 'Gaza supporters' you wouldn't dream of that...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 1:10pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

[

Your errors persist (no wonder political discourse between L and R, aka the great divide - is so confrontational and unsolvable.... eg, did Dutton or Albo win the debate on the ABC last night?
The answer depends on one's point of view; and both of them are signed up to neoliberalism (though Albo's team denies they are a neoliberal outfit...go figure), so eg, neither of them can admit the necessary change to a green economy will be expensive in a free market, in monetary terms, whichever method is adopted, unless treasury pays for the transition).

Anyway, FAS means foetal alcohol syndrome which can affect the offspring of any woman who drinks too much during preganancy.

But FAS's occurence among black women is higher because of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage, the cause of which you want to blame on the individual rather than macro-economic dysfunction (specificallly the NAIRU dogma in neoliberalism).

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What do you mean - no access to repairs?

There ain't no Bunnings store down the road, no money to buy the stuff ('sit-down money' gets pisssed up against a wall); and no knowledge of how to learn to do repairs can be taught to grog incapacited people living in the hopelessness of the 'sit-down' culture.

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The money is river-boated to them in the millions ... so ... I take it you are now onboard with the Audits of where that money is actually going....

Indeed I am - FULLY on board, but I disagree with Price that individuals can escape the sit-down culture without external assistance. The problem is the "millions" they receive actually supports the 'sit-down' culture, rather than eradicating it.

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though I doubt it .. you have some odd axe of your own to grind into someone's skull without reason -

Where is the error in my above analysis? ....(though I put that question to you in trepidation - see my observations re 'the great divide' at the top of this post).

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like The True Primitive... you should go join them and raise their flag for truth, justice and the Aboriginal way... but like all the blue-haired 'Gaza supporters' you wouldn't dream of that...

Love it, when YOUR world view is a primitive 'survival of the fittest' ideology (as I explained to Bobby): allowing the fittest ie, those most able to compete in a neoliberal free market NAIRU economy, to accrue resources for themselves without regard for those less able to compete, and content to force the latter onto welfare dependency in the 'sit-down' culture.

I'm interested in 'morality, fairness and justice' for all including blacks. Get rid of poverty level welfare within the dysfunctional NAURI economy, and then we can talk about "truth".

And as for the conflict in Gaza: that was caused by the UN's failure to implement its own resolution (UN res 181) re the Partition of Palestine.

And guess why the UNSC was not equipped to enforce UN res 181? ....another question I ask - in trepidation - of a delusional Libertarian 'sovereign citizen' ideologue.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 4:12pm

They are just savages

End of story

Always were always will be

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 5:57pm

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 6:23pm

We all know what FAS is - but it has a new connotation in the context of the high number of Aboriginal kids affected ... ergo Foetal Aboriginal Syndrome is appropriate..

"Yes, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) is more prevalent in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities in Australia than in the broader population. Studies have shown significantly higher rates of FASD among Indigenous Australians"

You really must learn to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:00pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 17^th, 2025 at 6:23pm:

Poor graps, did you miss it? (Your ideology rendering you incapable of comprehending a sentence?)

That's exactly what I said, to repeat:

"Anyway, FAS (or FASD, same thing, caused by drinking too much grog during pregnancy) means foetal alcohol syndrome which can affect the offspring of any woman who drinks too much during preganancy.

But FAS's occurence among black women is higher because of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage, the cause of which you want to blame on the individual rather than macro-economic dysfunction (specificallly the NAIRU dogma in neoliberalism)".

And I included the reason WHY there is "significantly higher rates of FASD among Indigenous Australians"

Since you really can't be that dumb (!), I have to assume you don't even bother to read the posts to which you think you are replying, and only want to repeat your blind personal responsibility narrative.

Hence you didn't bother to comment on the reason for ivy-league judges' lenient sentences, based on the concept of reduced 'personal responsibility'.

[Note: that concept is correct, the error is releasing the brain-damaged FAS sufferer - who is not responsible for his brain damage - back into the community].

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:23pm

I have no ideology apart from the absolute best for MY people... you see - I take 'ownership' of my nation and its people, and of their well-being and equal treatment in all ways.

That's where you kick off going the wrong way from the first whistle of the game.

Since I adhere to NO party extant in this nation - how then do you arrive at the false conclusion that I have any 'ideology' in the context of Australia? And since I adhere to NO 'philosophical rantings' of any persons past or present, and have always stood for equality all ways - how then do you arrive at the idea of my possessing some 'limited' ideology - something which you - for some odd reason - demand as the base from which to discuss anything??

So - treat everyone equally - and as Hamlet said (Shakespeare's mouth-piece) - treat every man according to his just deserts and there's none of us would 'scape the lash!

So we must be very selective about those to whom we apply the lash - I start with political parties bounded by ideology - yours clearly among the very worst of such things with its loose-edged skirting around FREEEEEDOOOOM while advocating a totalitarian state.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:37pm

I have always, for a very long time now - demanded a Royal Commission into the judiciary and magistracy and into jurisprudence - I guess like most things - you missed it.

"[Note: that concept is correct, the error is releasing the brain-damaged FAS sufferer - who is not responsible for his brain damage - back into the community]. "

Arrrrgh - Off To the Gulags With Them!!! The Gas Chambers Await!!!

The sufferer is not responsible - clearly - yet cannot be permitted into civilised society - what then is your answer? Be aware that any genuine answer carries implications for countless current ideologies doing the rounds - not just 'Release the brain-damaged criminals, Smithers! It's not their fault that they devour ordinary folk!!'

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 1:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:23pm:

I have no ideology apart from the absolute best for MY people... you see - I take 'ownership' of my nation and its people, and of their well-being and equal treatment in all ways.

Maybe so, but you refuse to debate relevant points re 'personal responsibility", eg how can brain damaged FAS sufferers be held responsible for their actions?

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That's where you kick off going the wrong way from the first whistle of the game.

No, here you are confusing goals/visions/desires (eg "the absolute best for MY people") with the processes needed to achieve them.

That's why I start with an examination of the presenter's world view: if you start with a wrong premise, eg actions based on "personal responsibility" alone, as the 'guiding light' for the required processes to achieve positive outcomes, you wil fail to achieve those desired outcomes.

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Since I adhere to NO party extant in this nation - how then do you arrive at the false conclusion that I have any 'ideology' in the context of Australia?

As noted above: ie, your argument is invariably based on 'personal responsibility' (along with other RW shibboleths, see below).

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And since I adhere to NO 'philosophical rantings' of any persons past or present, and have always stood for equality all ways - how then do you arrive at the idea of my possessing some 'limited' ideology - something which you - for some odd reason - demand as the base from which to discuss anything??

"Philosophical rantings" aside, your (ideological) assertion that 'personal responsibility' of the free 'sovereign individual' is the basis for good relations among self-directed individuals, is obviously flawed.

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So - treat everyone equally - and as Hamlet said (Shakespeare's mouth-piece) - treat every man according to his just deserts and there's none of us would 'scape the lash!

"Treat everyone equally" ....there's the deceitful old RW shibboleth again: 'equality of opportunity" (eg, to enable everyone to exit poverty) is NOT the same as 'equality of outcome', ie, the claimed "poverty for all", RW narrative....

As for Hamlet: every man deserves justice, and the opportunity to flourish.

Hence society needs a government determined to engender "the general welfare", via good laws based on morality, justice and fairness, to counteract conflicts naturally arising in the competition between naturally self-interested individuals with differing capabilities.

Indeed none of us would deserve to "escape the lash" if we merely followed our own self-interested view of "justice".

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So we must be very selective about those to whom we apply the lash - I start with political parties bounded by ideology - yours clearly among the very worst of such things with its loose-edged skirting around FREEEEEDOOOOM while advocating a totalitarian state.

I think I already 'pulled the ground' from your punch-line, graps (ie FREEEEEDOOOOM ....); the "lash" must be applied to EVERYONE, given the nature of the beast.

Which means you will have to address my arguments above, starting with your 'personal responsibility' narrative....

...if we are to close 'the great divide'....(ouch!)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 1:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

Ah, an attempt to debate "personal responsibility" as I requested, good.

No, not "off to the Gulag with them" , rather confinement in a sheltered environment, (eg a severe-disability-management institution), as long as necessary. There's your answer.

In combination with government taking the necessary steps to end FAS - especially in black communities - ASAP; "sit-down money" welfare - correctly described as "the poverty industry", won't cut the mustard.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 12:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

So it's off to the gulags for the sufferers without fault, then impose upon the remainder a regimen in which their cash is controlled and their spending diverted away from grog etc..

Which part of 'all those have been tried and the response from the bleeding left has always undermined them' do you find impossible to follow?

They've closed the asylums
They've cut off the grog control
They've let 'em all run loose
On the people who LIVE there...

The only real solution to their intractable ways is a Two States solution... Lividia Thorpe wants that alongside Michael Mansell - both on nice dollars from The White Man's Way, so they'll be taking a drop in pay to zero in Aborassic Park, where they can party all day the old FAS way and live with it themselves.

Historically societies have insulated themselves from the criminal kinds with prisons and such and in the past exile and deportation etc....a Homeland is a benign concept in comparison with the lash, the rack and the rope.... only those who wish their separate Homeland and the intractable criminals will go there... and the troublemakers, your (Misan) Thorpes and such, etc. Their idea of some mythical Two States Solution, with their own laws and rules and rights etc swimming within the Greater Society and at the Greater society's cost in every way - is simply unworkable.... so a Homeland it is.

We could also benefit from our own Gondwanamo Bay - rendition a few of these bad-asses there and put them to the question for a while... clean out all the rats ... one bit at a time... look at those lower than whale guano types who kidnapped, beat, stripped and then murdered that woman in Bankistan Province... any thought on those kinds of Usual Suspects? and our governments that brought them here and also promote Aboriginal Supremacism at the same time?

Like with every other group here - the good ones can stay.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 6:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 12:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 1:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:37pm:

So it's off to the gulags for the sufferers without fault,.....

Gawd, it's like pulling teeth, to educate you....

The FAS sufferers who aren't a menace to themselves or others, and who aren't brought before the courts after some horrific crime, don't need to be in a sheltered environment, they will be able to manage with support in their communities IF the community itself is being assisted by government to achieve full employment, housing, and health etc thereby achieving independence from the 'welfare' poverty industry which is complicit in maintaining a disastrous alcohol-soaked 'sit-down money' culture, in many black communities.

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then impose upon the remainder a regimen in which their cash is controlled and their spending diverted away from grog etc..

No; in conjuction with a government-assisted transition from the 'sit-down money' culture (cited above), the positive effects of 'personal responsibility' will manifest themselves, in a community where reward for effort is established (as in the white community..... assuming a functional low-unemployment national economy, which unfortunately is not the case at present, eg, the c-o-l and housing crisis badly affecting even a large section of the white population is not a manifestation of a well-functioning economy).

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Which part of 'all those have been tried and the response from the bleeding left has always undermined them' do you find impossible to follow?

Like I said, it's like pulling teeth to educate you.

Please read the above, and open your mind to achieving high participation rates based on above poverty employment in the economy, for blacks as well as whites.

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The only real solution to their intractable ways is a Two States solution...

No -- like I said, open your mind before you start pontifcating on terrible apartheid-like "solutions".

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Lividia Thorpe wants that alongside Michael Mansell - both on nice dollars from The White Man's Way, so they'll be taking a drop in pay to zero in Aborassic Park, where they can party all day the old FAS way and live with it themselves.

Yes, that's the contradiction in the black (and white) activists' 'sovereign 1st nations' ideology (though there's no way Thorpe would accept the 'sit down money' culture).

And you repeated your lie/inference that FAS was part of the original '1st nations' hunter-gatherer culture.

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Historically societies have insulated themselves from the criminal kinds with prisons and such and in the past exile and deportation etc

Correct, non-black Oz itself began its existence as a prison, in an age of vicious poverty in Britain - without 'welfare' at all ....steal a loaf of bread because of penury? - '"off to Oz you go".

At the time the blacks didn't need welfare to survive(in a h-g economy which functioned without money), and transgressors of tribal customs were dealt with via black law (which was no more vicious than white law at the time), no prisons required.

The remainder of your post is too contaminated with the indequacy of your ideation, as examined above, to repeat here.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 8:36pm

Neither system banned wife beating, but the Aboriginal system allowed much harsher beatings.
See the writings of Watkins Tench , First Fleet.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:35am

Gawd, it's like pulling teeth, to educate you....

Where to you imagine the FAS sufferers who ARE a problem to the community are now? Twiddling their thumbs down by the riverbanks?

Nobody said those who are not a problem should be isolated etc - apart from YOU when you said they all should be.
Those who are not a problem to the community are already in their 'community' - so they should be no problem to sort out, ay?

What percentage are not a problem to the general community, alongside all their 'mates' who believe implicitly in their right to be a problem to the general community - as part of their undeclared but very real War on Whartey?

What part of 'all these things have been tried before' do you fail to understand?

It's good to see you agree that Homeland where they can sort all their own problems out their way - is the only real answer - the Two State Solution.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 1:16pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 8:36pm:

Neither system banned wife beating, but the Aboriginal system allowed much harsher beatings.
See the writings of Watkins Tench , First Fleet.

I had in mind punishment for 'law -breakers', in either system.

But no doubt the ancient culture's customs displayed some greater barbarity.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 2:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:35am:

Gawd, it's like pulling teeth, to educate you....

I'm all ears, waiting to be educated, let's read on.....

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Where to you imagine the FAS sufferers who ARE a problem to the community are now? Twiddling their thumbs down by the riverbanks?

No, they are behaving like their non-FAS-sufferer associates who are merely exhibiting the higher crime rates which exist in communities with higher poverty rates. Except they haven't been confined to a sheltered institution yet.

See - you can't wriggle out of the (lack of) 'personal responsibility' which is also degraded by community poverty; stop reversing the blame for, and lack of, personal responsibility of individuals living in communiuties ravaged by socio economic disadvanatage.

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Nobody said those who are not a problem should be isolated etc - apart from YOU when you said they all should be.

Those who are not a problem to the community are already in their 'community' - so they should be no problem to sort out, ay?

As noted above, if a community's dysfunction is related to its economic circumstances, then the individuals in it have reduced 'personal responsibility' for their personal behaviours. FAS merely complicates issues relating to (the extent of) 'personal responsibility'.

aka social breakdown - manifested in the crime wave which Michaelia Cash is banging on about today.

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What percentage are not a problem to the general community, alongside all their 'mates' who believe implicitly in their right to be a problem to the general community - as part of their undeclared but very real War on Whartey?

Dunno - not important; eradicate the communty poverty which is influencing the criminal behaviour of individuals, and then get back to me.

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What part of 'all these things have been tried before' do you fail to understand?

The 'have been tried before' part; the necesary policies and determined action to eradicate systemic community poverty haven't been tried before.

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It's good to see you agree that Homeland where they can sort all their own problems out their way - is the only real answer - the Two State Solution.

I didn't agree with that apartheid-like solution.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 24^th, 2025 at 11:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:35am:

Gawd, it's like pulling teeth, to educate you....

I'm all ears, waiting to be educated, let's read on.....

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Where to you imagine the FAS sufferers who ARE a problem to the community are now? Twiddling their thumbs down by the riverbanks?

Those who are not a problem to the community are already in their 'community' - so they should be no problem to sort out, ay?

Dunno - not important; eradicate the communty poverty which is influencing the criminal behaviour of individuals, and then get back to me.

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What part of 'all these things have been tried before' do you fail to understand?

The 'have been tried before' part; the necesary policies and determined action to eradicate systemic community poverty haven't been tried before.

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It's good to see you agree that Homeland where they can sort all their own problems out their way - is the only real answer - the Two State Solution.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 12:05am

Read below - **pulls another tooth**

Right! Now that we've worked out what to do with the brain damaged - what is your solution for the rest?

Incarceration at huge cost, over and over again for life? Just not bother and let them wreak havoc on the community in their brushfire war against Whartey? Until the inevitable happens..... already there was a murmur ... a rumour of war ... from some about this endless cash grabbing and land grabbing - along the lines that 'some out there' would prefer to 'end' the bodies doing it rather than continue to be meekly surrendered by their own governments.

Yanks another tooth - I'll be your huckleberry .... living in the middle of Woopwoop guarantees you will live in poverty - why should those who choose to do that receive preferential treatment over others trying to do their best in other places? BTW - that Comparative Poverty - those Woopwoopers are GIVEN houses and power and all such, including air conditioning to restore their former Golden Age where they lolled under the eucalyptus trees while the solar powered fans and air con kept them cool ... they are paid the same - and more - as everyone else on social security and it is nobody's fault but their own that their grocery costs are so high (why aren't they living the Gold Ages by hunting etc?) and on top of that many of them receive 'royalties' which - unlike income EVERYONE else receives, does not affect their dole money.

Your everage Keffir in the bit cities doesn't get a free house with air con and all provided... he/she gets on the houso list for a unit in Mount Druitt or Doomside or something - and lives in perpetual fear surrounded at night by the cries of the jackals in the streets and wondering if their kids will come home unstabbed and stuff or they themselves won;t take the long jump in a domestic bout... if they are a young man they will likely couch surf ... it's a falcon disgrace.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 12:12am

Read below:-

It seems to me that, given the endless trouble they are in and the trouble they cause - a Two State Solution is the only way forward.... that is not Apartheid - Apartheid is the nonsensical attempt to make two totally separate cultures co-exist in the same society, with one being handed some preference over the other..... now what kind of gold-darned idjit even thinks that giving different unequal preferences to one or the other group somehow makes them equal? Equal in what? What the idjits doing this are taking from one to give the other and keep them split and at one another's throats?

A Two State solution is ideal - it give the HOMELAND totally owned, of their own, where they can do things their way - it satisfies the demands of the Mansells and the (Misan)Thorpes doing the rounds, alongside the demands of many in the 'voice' one-sided discussions for their own Homeland - it prevents that 'Homeland' being nothing more than a set of fish swimming in the richer currents of the entire society - a nation divided againat itself cannot stand, and two separate and decidedly unequal cultures cannot co-exist within the one society.

One Law For All! All Laws For One! Or NO laws at all!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 11:27am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 12:12am:

A two state solution is a recipe for disaster.
How long before the Second State agitates to be the First State?
How long before the New State makes treaties with the enemies of the Old State?

Or would the New State claim to be the Old State and invite other countries to join them in taking over the entire country as they see it as being their homeland.

Two states as a solution is pure stupidity.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:10pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 24^th, 2025 at 11:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 2:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:35am:

Gawd, it's like pulling teeth, to educate you....

I'm all ears, waiting to be educated, let's read on.....

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Where to you imagine the FAS sufferers who ARE a problem to the community are now? Twiddling their thumbs down by the riverbanks?

Your errors are continuing because of your reversal of blame for the exitence of poverty, ie you blame the victims of poverty rather than poverty which is caused by macro-economic dysfunction.

[quote]Those who are not a problem to the community are already in their 'community' - so they should be no problem to sort out, ay?

Dunno - not important; eradicate the communty poverty which is influencing the criminal behaviour of individuals, and then get back to me.

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What part of 'all these things have been tried before' do you fail to understand?

The 'have been tried before' part; the necesary policies and determined action to eradicate systemic community poverty haven't been tried before.

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It's good to see you agree that Homeland where they can sort all their own problems out their way - is the only real answer - the Two State Solution.

I didn't agree with that apartheid-like solution.
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Draws a tooth - Right! So if they are largely as a group carrying on in a criminal way regardless of whether or not they suffer FAS [/quote]

(Sigh) - your error: SOME individuals IN the group, not "the group" itself, are committing crime (whether FAS sufferers or not), criminal behaviour which is related to the group's socio-economic disadvantage.

Which a NT opposition member belatedly admitted, when she said: "reacting to crime (eg with harsher bail conditions) won't fix the problem, you have to fix the causes of crime"....though I think she's also missing the point that harsher bail conditions are necessary to avoid what happened to "Mr Friendly Shopkeeper", so long as the socio-economic disadvantage of a group is allowed to persist.

(news report)

The 71-year-old was fatally stabbed at the Territory Friendly Grocer in Darwin's north on Wednesday afternoon, after confronting a man allegedly shoplifting. Police arrested an 18-year-old man that night and charged him with murder on Thursday evening.

Very sad (the offender was on bail); and you refuse to confront the socio-economic disadvantage of a majority of blacks in the NT, compared with a minorty of whites who suffer economic disadvantage, which might cause shoplifting by an individual in either case.

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- what is the need to treat them differently? At what point does mental disability take away your responsibility for actions?

Addressed above; regardless of mental disability, when you are angry with perceived dispossession of your culture AND/OR your lack of capacity to buy the things you need.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm

One might also point out that the convicts often were sentenced to transportation for theft to support their families, however there was no unemployment relief or other assistance, so they had an excuse.

As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 4:49pm

'as a group' does not say 'every individual in the group' - it says the opposite.

HOWEVER - if 15% of the NT population carry out 92% of the women domestic killings - it's safe to say that 'as a group' they are primarily responsible and need correction..... that - as groups - all other groups do not need the same level of attention.

INDIVIDUALS perhaps - but as a group?

You'll learn simple English yet!

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:43pm

Welcome to country

An aboriginal man who allegedly stabbed an elderly supermarket owner to death in Darwin had been granted bail on assault, rape and child sex charges just days earlier.

The 18-year-old, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, handed himself into police just after midnight on Friday, and was charged with murder on Friday evening, and was remanded in custody to appear in Darwin Local Court on Monday.

Police will allege he was stealing items from the Nightcliff Friendly Grocer at 5.15pm on Wednesday when store owner Linford Feick, 71, confronted him. He then allegedly fatally stabbed Mr Feick and fled the scene on a bicycle.

Police contacted the man’s family and community, who convinced him to turn himself in, NT Police Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst said on Thursday.

The man had appeared in the Northern Territory Supreme Court on April 17, where his bail was continued with conditions requiring him to live at a “remote community” in the Top End and barring him from entering the Darwin CBD, The Australian reported. He was not required to wear an ankle bracelet.

He was facing three counts of rape, two counts of aggravated assault, and had also been charged with sexual intercourse with a child, assaulting a police officer, methamphetamine possession, depriving a person of their personal liberty, and spitting on an officer or emergency worker.

All of the charges were laid before he turned 18 three days ago. In January he was spared jail and had no conviction recorded after pleading guilty to a car theft charge, and had another count of theft dismissed. And in February last year he was given a 12-month good behaviour bond for burglary, theft and property damage.

Police took less than 10 minutes to arrive at the scene of the fatal stabbing, where witnesses desperately provided first aid in an attempt to save Mr Feick’s life, but he died at the scene.

One witness said she called emergency services just after 5pm after seeing the alleged attack. “As soon as we entered we heard the voice (of the man), he tried to kick (him out), while (he was) stealing things,” she said. “Two staff members directed him to the door and suddenly (he) took out a knife and [allegedly] stabbed the man … and he collapsed.”

She described the alleged knifeman as “skinny”, aboriginal, and wearing black clothing. Mr Feick’s wife Margaret spoke out in a Facebook post mourning her dead husband. “I am sitting here at 3am too broken to go to sleep because my life has been shattered,” she wrote.

“My beautiful husband of 51 years was stolen from me, his children and his seven grandchildren. The trauma it has caused to the beautiful staff who we love as family, the trauma to our beautiful customers. Linford worked so sincerely to maintain the community vibe with smiles, trust and humanity.”

Past, present or emerging?

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Frank on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:54pm

An aboriginal murderer has killed himself in jail days after being charged over the tragic death of 19-year-old Audrey Griffin, whose body was found in a creek in Erina on the NSW Central Coast last month.

Adrian Noel Torrens, 53, committed suicide in his cell at the Metropolitan Remand and Reception Centre (MRRC) in Silverwater on Thursday and was found at 4.50pm, police said, adding that his death was not being considered suspicious.

Torrens was remanded in custody on Tuesday after being charged with one count of murder over the senseless killing of Ms Griffin, and 11 unrelated domestic violence offences.

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 6:35pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

No need for bobby's solution then. Just double his football sock ration.

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 6:46pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

There’s going to be agitation over this one; another death in custody.

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 9:55pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

There’s going to be agitation over this one; another death in custody.

Meh. Time they were told - 'If they don't do the crime, they don't hang at the time!"

Time for the courts and coroners to stand up and just tell it like it is.... he did it to himself in every way, and we don't miss him,

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 11:30am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

Correct; but blacks today have a double disadvantage when attempting to live on below-poverty-level Jobseeker 'welfare' payments, namely, their perception (real or otherwise) of cultural dispossession. a perception reinforced by "the world's longest-existing culture" narrative from black ( and white) ' 1st nations' activists.

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As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Your error: there is a corelation between poverty and crime, do some research on the matter.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 12:21pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 4:49pm:

'as a group' does not say 'every individual in the group' - it says the opposite.

You said "So if they are largely as a group carrying on in a criminal way regardless of whether or not they suffer FAS - what is the need to treat them differently?"

I explained your error: ie individuals don't behave "largely as a group", but as individuals who are influenced by the socio-economic status of the group.

Study and understand the difference.

Now you have come up with an alternative conception of individuals versus the group of which they are members, namely, - a group is NOT every individual in it - when a group IS composed of all the individuals in it, though of course each individual can behave differently; and instead you propose "the opposite" which you don't define.

I don't want to guess what "the opposite" is, can you enlighten us?

Surely "as a group" doesn't mean no individual in the group, the opposite of "every individual in the group"...

You make the same error re government: the individuals who in total make up the nation, are not the same group as the government group which is composed of individuals who are selected/elected from the nation's total population (group).

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HOWEVER - if 15% of the NT population carry out 92% of the women domestic killings - it's safe to say that 'as a group' they are primarily responsible and need correction..... that - as groups - all other groups do not need the same level of attention.

No, it' not safe to say that, because individuals in groups behave differently according to the socio economic status of the group, AS WELL AS according their own circumstances within particular groups.

And error both you and Sir Eion make because you deny a co-relation between poverty and crime.

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INDIVIDUALS perhaps - but as a group?

You'll learn simple English yet!

All examined above in detail; please define what you mean by "the opposite" in your statement: "'as a group' does not say 'every individual in the group' - it says the opposite."

Title: Re: Aborigines - out of control
Post by Gnads on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 5:11pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 5:54pm:

I'd wager this will be another Aboriginal Deaths in Custody statistic & the usual whinging activists will be crying for an investigation.

No matter how big a grub this bloke was ... that's what they do.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 5:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Your error: there is a corelation between poverty and crime, do some research on the matter.

Oh shut up with your excuse making BS. ::)

Blackfellas don't have the poverty badge to themselves.

And their are many that there is no "correlation" with poverty or crime.

You truly are a piece of work - a monotonous/boring piece of work - but one just the same.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 12:44pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Your error: there is a correlation between poverty and crime, do some research on the matter.

Oh shut up with your excuse making BS. ::)

(I see you haven't done any research...low IQ, or just too ideologically blind and rigid to bother?)

Not an "excuse", but fact:

(quick google)

Poverty and crime are strongly correlated, but the nature of the relationship is complex and varies depending on the type of crime and the specific context. Studies suggest that poverty, economic inequality, and related factors like unemployment and social stress are often associated with higher crime rates, especially in areas with concentrated poverty.

Positive Correlation:
Many studies indicate a positive correlation between poverty and crime, meaning that areas with higher poverty rates tend to have higher crime rates. This is often explained by the idea that poverty can lead individuals to desperate measures, including illegal activities, in order to survive or meet basic needs.

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Blackfellas don't have the poverty badge to themselves.

Correct; the positive correlation noted above isn't confined to blacks.

But like I said; Oz blacks, apart from suffering higher poverty rates, are also mis-led by black-white '1st nations' activists pushing the "best civilization in the world" narrative (no kidding, I heard it on the radio a few days ago).

However, blacks have higher rates of poverty, and hence higher crime rates.

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And their are many that there is no "correlation" with poverty or crime.

Ofcourse: correlation doesn't mean ALL will commit poverty-related crime (and some AREN'T living in poverty).

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You truly are a piece of work - a monotonous/boring piece of work - but one just the same.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 5:16pm

What poverty?

Aboriginal people who are not working get more Government income support than do Veteran pensioners and I know of a number of veterans who are living on their veteran pensions.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 6:43pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

What poverty?

Aboriginal people who are not working get more Government income support than do Veterab pensioners and I know of a number of veterans who are living on their veteran pensions.

... and many of them had the Suicide Trip of family disintegration, lack of acceptance in society, and social isolation.

Bring on the full Royal Commission.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 6:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Your error: there is a correlation between poverty and crime, do some research on the matter.

Oh shut up with your excuse making BS. ::)

And their are many that there is no "correlation" with poverty or crime.

Ofcourse: correlation doesn't mean ALL will commit poverty-related crime (and some AREN'T living in poverty).

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You truly are a piece of work - a monotonous/boring piece of work - but one just the same.

My job here to to attempt to educate blind, rigid ideologues like you.

At least I expose the errors in your thinking, for others to contemplate.

Errors resulting partly from a self-interest-based terror re contemplating the policies needed to eradicate poverty from society.

Note: there is no lack of resources which would demand the continuance of poverty via subsistence welfare.
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That's book larnin' - not reality. Get out of your cellar - how many years ago did I set you a mission - get out there with your impoverished pets and sell them your message ... wake them up .. then they'll rise from the ashes of their own self-destruction, ay?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 6:50pm

Ein Keffir living on the beach in the sun and enjoying nature and total freedom living the Old Ways and still receiving all the benefits of modern society... fishing from the tinny using rods and nets provided free., home to the air conditioned house for free, throw open the fridge, take out a coldie and sit back on the porch and watch the sun set over the ocean.... turn on the tellie or do the sandy beaches, drinking rum every night...

The life those in Tent Cities would LOVE to lead..... AND cop some 'royalties' on top of their regular income!!

Sure beats being ein Keffir trying to scrape by couch surfing in the city, ay?

... but..... but... but..... what about the Intifada promised on rejection of the outlandish 'voice' idea, and then set in train when that nonsense failed? Why do you imagine the 'elders' and the 'parents' don't re-direct those young rascals away from a life of violent crime? Because they ordered it as their way of waging war on Australia. they send 'em out to wage war - then say that they need funds to cope with the crime of the young u'uns they make no move to control but - rather - actually train and encourage to go to that war.

Rewarding bad behaviour with money handouts will never work.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 1:28pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

What poverty?

(google)
The poverty rate among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in Australia is significantly higher than for non-Indigenous Australians. In 2021, 35% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander adults lived in households in the lowest 20% of income earners in Australia. This translates to over 1 in 3 people, or 137,600 individuals, in this income bracket.

Access to Essentials:

A considerable portion of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people experience a lack of basic necessities. For instance, 43% of people in remote communities have gone without food in the past year.

Socioeconomic Disadvantage:

A large portion of First Nations people live in the most disadvantaged areas, particularly in the Northern Territory.

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Aboriginal people who are not working get more Government income support than do Veteran pensioners and I know of a number of veterans who are living on their veteran pensions.

They presumably have access to acceptable housing, unlike blacks who are homeless or living 10 to a house in the regions of socio-economic disadvantage mentioned above.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 1:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 6:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2025 at 11:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 3:32pm:

As the majority of Aboriginal Australians don’t break the law there is no excuse for the ones that do.

Your error: there is a correlation between poverty and crime, do some research on the matter.

Oh shut up with your excuse making BS. ::)

Ofcourse: correlation doesn't mean ALL will commit poverty-related crime (and some AREN'T living in poverty).

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You truly are a piece of work - a monotonous/boring piece of work - but one just the same.

My job here to to attempt to educate blind, rigid ideologues like you.

At least I expose the errors in your thinking, for others to contemplate.

Errors resulting partly from a self-interest-based terror re contemplating the policies needed to eradicate poverty from society.

Note: there is no lack of resources which would demand the continuance of poverty via subsistence welfare.
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That's book larnin' - not reality.[/quote]

You have it back to front as usual: the current dysfunctional reality manifested in entrenched poverty and 'welfare' dependency, can only be rectified by policies following "book larnin" which exposes current neoclassical economic madness, thus engendering the change in macro-economic policy which is necesaary to overcome the current economic dysfunction badly affecting the sub-median income group.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 2:29pm

I don't read dividie's monologues - I'd fall asleep - I just look in to see what he's arguing against ....

Making excuses for Bad Keffirs is no reason to say they aren't Bad Keffirs. They're not Robinson Crusoe's Black Man Friday you know, in their poverty etc...

Ah, yes - the good old days when Albo promised them a voice IN RETURN FOR MEETING KPIs IN VIOLENCE, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, WOMAN BEATING AND KILLING, NEGLECT OF CHILDREN, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR ETC.. and then the moment the World's Greatest Liar since Abbott was elected - went straight ahead with this 'voice' madness costing hundreds of millions for what was already known would be NOTHING! Nothing but trouble that is - brought about by trying to appease the assholes who went for their Intifada as threatened if they lost their 'voice', which they did....

One of these is a good Mau Mau.....

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 1:28pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 27^th, 2025 at 5:16pm:

What poverty?

Aboriginal people who are not working get more Government income support than do Veteran pensioners and I know of a number of veterans who are living on their veteran pensions.

They presumably have access to acceptable housing, unlike blacks who are homeless or living 10 to a house in the regions of socio-economic disadvantage mentioned above.

Some time back there was a news item about an Aboriginal man in the NT who had four wives, Social Security [or whatever it was called then] got on to this and cancelled the wife income for three of them.
Asked to comment he said that it was no problem as they were now on singles benefits and they were getting more money.
The vast majority of Aboriginal people have jobs, contribute to society and live their lives as ordinary citizens and don’t trade on their Aboriginal ancestry.

Australians in poverty shouldi all be treated equally.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 28^th, 2025 at 2:29pm:

I don't read dividie's monologues - I'd fall asleep - I just look in to see what he's arguing against ....

I fail to see the difference; I'm arguing against your inadequate 'personal responsibility' narrative which ignores macro-economic effects on individuals' choices.

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Making excuses for Bad Keffirs is no reason to say they aren't Bad Keffirs. They're not Robinson Crusoe's Black Man Friday you know, in their poverty etc...

Not excuses, rather examining the CAUSES of bad behaviour; poverty is correlated to bad behaviour (as shown in many links confirming the correlation).

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Ah, yes - the good old days when Albo promised them a voice IN RETURN FOR MEETING KPIs IN VIOLENCE, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, WOMAN BEATING AND KILLING, NEGLECT OF CHILDREN, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR ETC.. and then the moment the World's Greatest Liar since Abbott was elected - went straight ahead with this 'voice' madness costing hundreds of millions for what was already known would be NOTHING! Nothing but trouble that is - brought about by trying to appease the assholes who went for their Intifada as threatened if they lost their 'voice', which they did....

One of these is a good Mau Mau.....

Yes - but like you, Albo has scant understanding of functional macroeconomics because he - like you - is signed up to neoclassical economic orthodoxy.

Oz has the resources - labour, know-how, and materials - to eradicate poverty.

To wit, it's time - in our post gold-standard, fiat-currency era - to authorize the currency-issuing government (via its treasury) to issue money without taxing or borrowing, with the proviso spending is limited to the purchase of resources (labour, materials, etc) which are available for purchase in the nation's own currency, to avoid inflation.

Which means inflation should be controlled by the appropriate mobilization of available resources, to achieve sustainable prosperity for all, not by the blunt tool of interest rates set by 'independent reserve banks'.

Easy enough to understand?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm

And as regards some people in remote communities going without food.
Do not their neighbours help?
Have they lost the ability to hunt or fish?
Have their crops completely failed?
Don’t they stock up on tinned stuff and dried food?

How did their ancestors survive without the ration trucks?

No one is forced to live in a remote community.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:55pm

They were never poor when thy lived the Golden Age... had all that land for the taking, food everywhere...no need to waste time like the White Man building cities and such...... they were so poor then they didn't even know they were poor - until some bastard came over the hill overflowing with riches and stuck it in their faces that living in a bark humpy and chasing game without a balanced diet was bad news... and fighting over non-productive land was just pure silliness...

Not a single Noble Black out there thinks he's poor until he sees the Wharte Man swanning about in big houses and luxurious cars, all with air con and such, motor boats to go catch fish and all the best gear...... food on the table without working for it... man, dat da life!

Ol' Rastus Jackie-Jackie dere he jus' figure he gotta gits hisself outta dis livin' down da riverbank an' into one o' dem big houses all of his own... so he set about it the traditional way - take it an' fight for it!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:56pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

Affordable Tim Tams.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:46pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

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1. No, poverty is rampant among their neighbours as well, as noted in the links confirming correlation between poverty and crime.

2. The restricted lands are no longer capable of supporting a hunter-gatherer culture.

3. er..the "crops" these days have to be transported to them by truck from outside the community lands.

4. Yes, and it's both expensive AND killing them....

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No one is forced to live in a remote community.

True, but they are trying to keep "the world's oldest civilization alive", backed by white -black activists comfortably living in the modern money-based economy in regional centres and cities.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:53pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:55pm:

They were never poor when thy lived the Golden Age...

True, in the money-less h-g economy (except maybe in times of drought or famine)...RESOURCES, not money, is key.

Which gets me back to money creation by a c-i government (explored in #387), a topic you don't wish to address.

Deplorable.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 3:05pm

So they're not poor now... they've simply changed focus without changing with the times. Simple.

Next answer - to pre-empt silliness:-

Go - tell that to the White, Yellow and some Black boys and girls out there...... what are THEY doing to guarantee a better future?

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 6:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

No one is forced to live in a remote community.

True, but they are trying to keep "the world's oldest civilization alive", backed by white -black activists comfortably living in the modern money-based economy in regional centres and cities.

;D You dolt - it's not the "worlds oldest civilization" - they never were in the true sense a civilization.

Just an isolated group of nomadic tribal hunter gatherers.

Who when the tide came in remained the same for 40,000 years(not 60,000 plus) without advancement until the 18th century after 1788.

You do realise how stupid that claim is don't you?

All modern humans dispersed from Africa in the same waves.

I know who's deplorable.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 7:18pm

"1. No, poverty is rampant among their neighbours as well, as noted in the links confirming correlation between poverty and crime.

2. The restricted lands are no longer capable of supporting a hunter-gatherer culture.

3. er..the "crops" these days have to be transported to them by truck from outside the community lands.

4. Yes, and it's both expensive AND killing them....
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1. When you live in Nahhopaland with no work and you make no effort to educate yourself etc (see my response earlier about the "White, Yellow and some Black kids" who DO study and work to OWN a better future) you are bound for Poverty and existing on the dole.

2, OH? What do you base that on? the wildlife suddenly drop in numbers like IQs around here? What has changed about these Nahhop areas? (hint: the natives have changed - they want it all for nothing)...

3. So - why then do OTHERS move to where work and 'crops' are etc (KFC, Tim Tams) - and how do they expect that 'the crops' will arrive by cargo cult just because they choose to remain there and do nothing to get out - not even training and education, working off-land and then coming home - as countless others did for generations here in Oz?

4. Well - if the food etc is 'expensive and killing them' - they need to do something else, ay?

Nothing hard there - now tell me what my 'errors' are. You've had your one response, you are on the ground and burning, Hans - give it up. I'm growing tired of being an ace in a single day every day with you turkeys.

"So I turned to Harold and said:- "Trussed your turkey?"

He thought for a moment then replied:- "With MY LIFE!"

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 9:54am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

Answers

1. No, poverty is rampant among their neighbours as well, as noted in the links confirming correlation between poverty and crime.
Then why don’t they get off their arses and do something about it?

2. The restricted lands are no longer capable of supporting a hunter-gatherer culture.
Maybe, but surely there are a few ‘roos still around?
How about edible grubs, very nutritious las I remember them.

3. er..the "crops" these days have to be transported to them by truck from outside the community lands.
Crops are what you can grow yourself, I grow almo
St all our vegetable needs in a suburban back garden
4. Yes, and it's both expensive AND killing them....
Then as I said before . . . ./color]

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No one is forced to live in a remote community.

True, but they are trying to keep "the world's oldest civilization alive", backed by white -black activists comfortably living in the modern money-based economy in regional centres and cities.

[color=#ff0000]If that is the case then they are an abysmai failure…..way back when there were bo houses etc. etc.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 1:39pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 6:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 12:54pm:

No one is forced to live in a remote community.

True, but they are trying to keep "the world's oldest civilization alive", backed by white -black activists comfortably living in the modern money-based economy in regional centres and cities.

;D You dolt - it's not the "worlds oldest civilization" - they never were in the true sense a civilization.

That was my point - which why I mentioned the "white-black" activists pushing the anachronistic concept of the "world's oldest civilization".

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Just an isolated group of nomadic tribal hunter gatherers.

Who when the tide came in remained the same for 40,000 years(not 60,000 plus) without advancement until the 18th century after 1788.

You do realise how stupid that claim is don't you?

Yes: I explained your mistake, above.

Where have you been throughout this debate, you should know my thoughts on "1st nations sovereignty" etc. by now.

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All modern humans dispersed from Africa in the same waves.

I know who's deplorable.

Unfortunately you are too blind to see it's you who are deplorable, for insisting poverty is self-inflicted and the state can't fix it.

Wake up.

Yesterday I heard a (real black) black spokesman begging for the government to create jobs for his community, just as we all - regardless of race - need jobs in our own communities.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 2:33pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 7:18pm:

(Ah - graps engaging in actual debate, well done).

TGD: "1. No, poverty is rampant among their neighbours as well, as noted in the links confirming correlation between poverty and crime"

Graps:
1. When you live in Nahhopaland with no work and you make no effort to educate yourself etc (see my response earlier about the "White, Yellow and some Black kids" who DO study and work to OWN a better future) you are bound for Poverty and existing on the dole.

Your errors: no-one "educates themselves", and you need a functional family background to ensure you attend school; and as for "Nahhopland" - see below re Detroit.

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TGD: 2. "2. The restricted lands are no longer capable of supporting a hunter-gatherer culture."

Graps:
2. OH? What do you base that on? the wildlife suddenly drop in numbers like IQs around here? What has changed about these Nahhop areas? (hint: the natives have changed - they want it all for nothing)...

Your errors: the access to wildlife (and berries etc) for most blacks is restricted in modern Oz.

And "wanting it all for nothing" is your despicable lie based on your rotten 'personal responsibilty' ideology; yesterday I heard a (real black) black spokesman begging the government to create jobs in his community, just as we all need jobs in a money-based economy.

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TGD 3. " er..the "crops" these days have to be transported to them by truck from outside the community lands."

Graps:
3. So - why then do OTHERS move to where work and 'crops' are etc (KFC, Tim Tams) - and how do they expect that 'the crops' will arrive by cargo cult just because they choose to remain there and do nothing to get out - not even training and education, working off-land and then coming home - as countless others did for generations here in Oz?

Your errors abound:
a)most people don't have to move from the community they were born in, to get an education, and then obtain employment.
b) Modern food is based on mechanized agriculture, and distribution around the entire country.
c) You are enforcing centralization and abandonment of communities...so much for "choice".

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TGD: 4. " Yes, and the (white man's canned food) is both expensive (to transport to communities) AND killing them...(since blacks can't afford the unfresh "fresh" food, but this even applies to welfare dependent blacks in cities like Darwin.

Graps:

4. So - why then do OTHERS move to where work and 'crops' are etc (KFC, Tim Tams) - and how do they expect that 'the crops' will arrive by cargo cult just because they choose to remain there and do nothing to get out - not even training and education, working off-land and then coming home - as countless others did for generations here in Oz?

Your nonsense about "choice" examined above; most people prefer to remain in their own communities.

It's better for government to encourage decentralization if possible; the death of outback towns is regrettable, just ask the people living in them.

ie ensure jobs for everyone as far as possible, regardless of locality.

Hey, even Detroit, no less, was allowed to descend into poverty and ruination, in the face of competition from Japan, due to gross incompetency of the US government. Trump is fuming about it, though he - like you - doesnt understand the neoclassical-based macro-econonomic dysfunction which caused it (ie inadequate WTO "free-trade" rules).

Deplorable.

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Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 3:00pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 3:05pm:

So they're not poor now... they've simply changed focus without changing with the times. Simple.

Your error: they are poor now, living on the dole, uneducated and jobless.
cf the h-g economy (your "golden age"); jobs were guaranteed - and necessary - for all; no money necessary....

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Next answer - to pre-empt silliness:-

Go - tell that to the White, Yellow and some Black boys and girls out there...... what are THEY doing to guarantee a better future?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 3:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2025 at 3:05pm:

So they're not poor now... they've simply changed focus without changing with the times. Simple.

Your error: they are poor now, living on the dole, uneducated and jobless.
cf the h-g economy (your "golden age"); jobs were guaranteed - and necessary - for all; no money necessary....
There's your error.

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Next answer - to pre-empt silliness:-

Go - tell that to the White, Yellow and some Black boys and girls out there...... what are THEY doing to guarantee a better future?

They are getting educated with the support of functional families.

While relying on macro-economic functionailty (the job of government) to ensure jobs are available, preferably where they live.

(Consider the Detroit catastrophe mentioned in the previous post).
Good god - you get it right when you agree! So now it's not down to 'poverty' which they didn't even understand when h-g, it's down to dysfunctional families!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:49pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 6:04pm:

TGD: "While relying on macro-economic functionality (the job of government) to ensure jobs are available, preferably where they live.
Consider the Detroit catastrophe mentioned in the previous post). "

Grappler: Good god - you get it right when you agree!

Sigh - no wonder the political debate is so confused and riven.

Where exactly did I agree with your vicious "get an education" (assuming you have a functional family to support you), and "move to where the jobs are" narratives.

Like .....abandon Detroit, where everyone WAS properly educated and employed, just because the city's jobs disappeared, and the government didn't have a clue how to save the city.

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So now it's not down to 'poverty' which they didn't even understand when h-g,

God you're a slow learner, I already explained there was no poverty in a money-less h-g culture, except in a famine (meaning lack of life-supporting resources to hunt or gather).

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it's down to dysfunctional families

Dysfunctional families who don't ensure their children attend schools.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:38pm

Poor soul - you were just too high strung....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 1^st, 2025 at 2:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:38pm:

Poor soul - you were just too high strung....

What's that got to do with entrenched socio-economic disadvantage and its correlated bad behaviour?

And the ruination of Detroit - a graphic example of the failure of mainstream neoclassical macroeconomics, a failure which is beyond the control of individuals capable of exercising 100% personal responsibilty (or not).

Trump has his methods for dealing with this failure; hopefully his trade war doesn't lead to a hot war....stay tuned for the next exciting episode (apparently US gdp went backwards in the last quarter, while China's manufactuing index also fell...).

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm

On poverty.
My first English ancestors in Australia came from Stourpaine in Dorset. This village, in its day, was briefly famous having made it to the centrpages of the Illustrated London News of the 5th of September 1846, but for all the wrong reasons;

" Of one of the villages, Stourpain, about midway between Blandford and Sturminster Newton, the Times Correspondent gives this lamentable account:--
"The first feature which attracts the attention of a stranger on entering the village, is the total want of cleanliness which pervades it. A stream, composed of the matter which constantly escapes from pigsties and other receptacles of filth, meanders down each street, being here and there collected into standing Pools, which lie festering and rotting in the sun so as to create wonder that the place is not the continual abode of pestilence-indeed the worst malignant fevers have raged here at different times. It may be sufficient to add for the present that the inside of the cottages in every respect corresponds with the external appearance of the place. The wages here in very few instances exceed seven shillings per week.

"Another fruitful source of misery, as well as immorality, is the great in-adequacy of the number and size of the houses to the number of the population. and the consequently crowded state of their habitations, which in Dorsetshire generally, and in Stourpain particularly, afford the most limited accommodation.

"The want of proper ventilation in these houses must be to the last degree detrimental to the health of the inhabitants; the atmosphere, especially of the sleeping apartments. to an unpractised nose is almost insupportable. It is, perhaps, worthy of remark that dishes, plates, and other articles of crockery, seem almost unknown; there is, however, the less need for them, as grist bread forms the principal, and I believe only kind of food which falls to the labourer's lot. In no single instance did I observe meat of any kind during my progress through the parish. The furniture is such as may be expected from the description I have given of the place - rickety table and two or three foundered chairs generally forming the extent of the upholstery. Want, famine, and misery, are the features of the village, and yet I am credibly informed that the peasant of the Vale of Blackmore and the western parts of the country is as hungry, emaciated, and squalid a being as the denizen of Stourpain.’’
That’s poverty.

The labourers in the fields worked naked in summer [both sexes] so as to save their wretched clothing.
A correspondent of the day noted that they would run and hide when a stranger was seen approaching.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 1^st, 2025 at 9:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:38pm:

Poor soul - you were just too high strung....

You admitted that all the Other kids - regardless of their economic status - studied and worked for a better future - and that some of the Keffir did the same and did very well ....... they made the sovereign choice to do what was needed to improve themselves and their future and that of their offspring... so not all those in your claimed 'entrenched socio-economic disadvantage' turn to 'bad behaviour'.

You admitted that actually working at learning what is needed and making the effort to improve one's self can work out - so to say that all those who choose NOT to follow those lines are somehow 'victims' is nonsense.

You know nothing, do you? I grew up that way - with nothing.... you have simply no idea that a Man goes out and improves life for himself and others - something I continue to do to this day in countless ways - and following this 'election' - I plan to go political. Battered but unbowed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1x-bSkAZI

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 2^nd, 2025 at 1:23pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

On poverty.
My first English ancestors in Australia came from Stourpaine in Dorset.

Fgs give us a break, the poverty of your English ancestors has nothing to do with the present poverty in black communities which is especially egregious in the Oz outback, as well as large regional centres like Darwin and Alice Springs.

Hence the rest of your post is another example of GIGO.

Deplorable, even worse than Graps' 'personal responsibility' mantra, which at least has some relevance re individual success, while ignoring macro-economic forces beyond the control of individuals.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 2^nd, 2025 at 1:39pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 9:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 2:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 30^th, 2025 at 7:38pm:

Poor soul - you were just too high strung....

You admitted that all the Other kids - regardless of their economic status - studied and worked for a better future -

No I didn't, I said everyone needs the support of a functional family, to ensure (succesful outcomes from) attendance at school.

And I said the government's management of the macro-economy plays a major role in eradicating poverty AND providing jobs, and hence an individual's access to employment, quite apart from the exercise of 'personal responsibility'.

Hence the rest of your post is GIGO.

i

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 2^nd, 2025 at 3:44pm

So now you are crawfishing between 'kids from functional families do the work and thus do better' and 'but...but...but ... kids from dysfunctional families don't do a brass razoo and thus fail constantly'.... without once addressing the reality that your 'entrenched disadvantage' has nothing to do with it, and those poor kids who do well somehow happen to manage that, while those who turn into little criminal monsters and then revolving door jailbirds are 'victims' of their situation.

The point YOU are making is that 'economic disadvantage' has little to nothing to do with it - but family functionality does ... and 'family functionality' is a matter of making the right choices.... a personal sovereignty decision tree....

So stop with the 'entrenched disadvantage' excuse and start making with the 'why are they all not being 'educated' in the right ways to go?' - start with 'why do they not go to schools' and 'why do their parents not take responsibility for them' - and if they are taken away 'why do those they are taken from whinge about it when their kids do better'.

Let go of the emotion - the 'feeling' BS that has overtaken the West since the Advent of the Feminist Lunacy... and has lead to a situation where you'd rather see children chemically or surgically neutered than that they learn to be adults first, and where children left to their 'parents' fail dismally and are in need of removal and all you lot do is whine.... and one heap of other madness....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 1:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

On poverty.
My first English ancestors in Australia came from Stourpaine in Dorset.

But my Pommie ancestors got out, they migrated to Australia and were very successful.
Whilst in Stourpaine they worked for the local bigwig and also for themselves and grew vegetables for themselves; great grandfather was a painter and continued as such in his new country.

The point is that poverty stricken as they were they got off their arses and helped themselves.
The Greats migrated without assistance except from their families, which they paid back and continued with assistance over the years.

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?
The climate is very suitable, note that there are no remote communities in the Snowy Mountains.
And hunt or trap animals?
What about all the bush tucker that we hear so much about?
Maybe the remote communities could consult Bruce Pascoe, I’m sure that he would help them [for a Government fee].
They no longer have to depend on the boomerang and spear to hunt they can use the appropriate firearms [depending of course on weather the Authorities would give them licences].

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:21am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 3:44pm:

So now you are crawfishing between 'kids from functional families do the work and thus do better'

Your errors (when will they ever cease):

No; kids from functional - ie supportive families, not damaged by an entrenched socio economic milieu with eg high unemployment and high alcoholism, are more likely to attend school and succeed, than kids from dysfunctional families (poor parental role models, alcohol abuse etc).

Hence the rest of your post is GIGO, as usual.

To wit:

Quote:

The point YOU are making is that 'economic disadvantage' has little to nothing to do with it -

Huh - did you forget MY point re the correlation between entrenched macro-economic poverty and crime ie [b]community poverty[/i] and crime, versus an individual's poor choices which may lead to crime, which is YOUR point.

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but family functionality does ... and 'family functionality' is a matter of making the right choices.... a personal sovereignty decision tree....

Perhaps now that I have spelled it out for you, by distinguishing between systemic (macro-economic-caused) poverty and its correlation to crime, contrasted with an individual - whether rich or poor - commiting crime consequent to poor personal choices....perhaps now you might begin to see the inadequacy in your 'personal responsiblity' mantra; I won't hold my breath.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2025 at 1:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 1^st, 2025 at 6:47pm:

On poverty.
My first English ancestors in Australia came from Stourpaine in Dorset.

But my Pommie ancestors got out, they migrated to Australia and were very successful.

Errors abound: many were transported to Oz for petty crime in an era benighted by a very nasty form of capitalism in Britain - Marx spent his life attempting to expose its injustices.

And while your familiy's ancestors succeeded in Oz, many didn't - for all sorts of reasons other than poor personal choices.

As for OZ blacks: "we smashed their culture" (Keating) while "Indigenous people suffered a lot of injustices, such as being evicted from their traditional territories and being relocated to reserves and missions."

https://www.evolves.com.au/impact-colonisation-indigenous-australians/

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Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Quote:

What about all the bush tucker that we hear so much about?
Maybe the remote communities could consult Bruce Pascoe,

Pascoe is a 'first civilization' activist, extolling the virtues of the hunter gatherer culture, even claiming (for good neasure) blacks were farmers....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

[quote]Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

[quote]Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

[quote]Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Nobody MAKES them drunk by midday, dysfunctional and to neglect their children. Nobody MAKES them violent towards their wives and sexual predators of their nieces and cousins. How people relate to their families is NOT subject to government policy. It is entirely within everyone's own personal power.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

[quote] It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 3^rd, 2025 at 8:22pm

‘’ Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.’’

Suggest that you Google remote communities, funnily many of them are in the tropics where food grows exceptionally well.
Others are in the well watered areas of the Kimberly's.
Many tribes in the past managed to live on the fringes of the deserts venturing into the real desert country as seasonal conditions allowed.
No one is forced into living where food cannot be grown.

I’d suggest. a bit of ‘’get off the lazy arses’’ is called for.
None of my legally Aboriginal relatives are out of work, nor are any of them in prison, they just consider themselves to be ordinary citizens, with an extra bit of interesting history.
I’vs got/had a lot of Aboriginal friends and acquaintances and they are mostly in work or retired or dead, at my age one knows a lot of people who have died.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

[quote] It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Here's A Complete List Of All The Problems That Have Been Solved By Government Spending

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

We consulted our top researchers and compiled a list of all the problems that have been solved by government spending:

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And, there you have it! So many problems, solved by the wise and powerful people in government! Thanks, government spending!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:30pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 8:22pm:

And many are in the Tenant Creek, Alice Springs etc areas where you need white man's tech to grow food, and where you need a functional community not ravaged by poverty.

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

And, there you have it! So many problems, solved by the wise and powerful people in government! Thanks, government spending!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Your error: government spending informed by neoclassical NAIRU economists, as at present, merely wastes money on the poverty industry, instead of eradicating poverty and ensuring employment for all.

(see the latest MMT post).

[quote]And, there you have it! So many problems, solved by the wise and powerful people in government! Thanks, government spending!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.
[/quote]

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:30pm

Poverty/Comparative Poverty - different issues.

The ONLY long term solutions for UNEQUAL INCOME AND PROSPERITY in Australia are:-

. fixing the lack of - indeed the impossibility of - any equal distribution in 'jobs' across the nation
. fixing the lack of genuine forward planning and infrastructure (planning and implementation) that will secure a future for the nation and its people
. fixing the inherent unwillingness of some to move with the times
. controlling immigration and arranging a general integration and assimilation so that all may pull in the same direction (generally)
. listening to people like me who know stuff

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 7^th, 2025 at 9:16am

https://www.ntnews.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=NTWEB_WRE170_a_FBK&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntnews.com.au%2Fnews%2Fclinton-howe-says-alcoholfuelled-violence-rocking-the-suburb-of-gray-northern-territory%2Fnews-story%2F5a497e692c88bf0d036c8e494e10b505&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Glassing, punch-ons: Fears violence becoming ‘worse’ in Top End suburb

As alcohol-fueled violence continues to rock the streets of Palmerston neighbourhood, residents, business owners and a local member are now calling on authorities to crack down on the wild hotspots troubling their suburb.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 7^th, 2025 at 12:10pm

Boris wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 9:16am:

What? People calling for a politically incorrect solution.
That will never do.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 9^th, 2025 at 8:17pm

‘Abhorrent’: NT man charged with raping child under five

An Alice Springs man has been charged with several child abuse offences including having sexual intercourse with a child under five. Read his full list of charges.

https://www.ntnews.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=NTWEB_WRE170_a_FBK&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntnews.com.au%2Ftruecrimeaustralia%2Fpolice-courts-nt%2Falice-springs-man-charged-with-allegedly-raping-child-under-five%2Fnews-story%2F1e23ac40f25a9fa71a0345d73899c0d6&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on May 9^th, 2025 at 8:34pm

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Setanta on May 9^th, 2025 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

That's the NT for ya! Where else but the twilight zone would you see the sort of dysfunction endemic there? How can I not agree with you?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 10^th, 2025 at 7:18am

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2025 at 8:34pm:

Twilight Zone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Where is your empathy for the rape victim?

Non existent - you are a Psychopath.

I have actually seen this sort of stuff as a first responder while you sip Soy Lattes in the inner city and read Marx.

That child is ruined for life and you belittle her.

You are a Grandiose Narcissist.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?[/quote]

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:39pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:30pm:

Poverty/Comparative Poverty - different issues.

Homelessness, or overcrowding in poorly manintained homes, or unemployment and grog abuse, are all faces of poverty.

Stop kicking and screaming in the face of reality: poverty (whether "comparative' or not) is correlated with crime.

Quote:

The ONLY long term solutions for UNEQUAL INCOME AND PROSPERITY in Australia are:-

I think you mean the only solutions for poverty and inequality; "UNEQUAL INCOME AND PROSPERITY" are opposites, apart from the error in "UNEQUAL" - no-one is calling for equal incomes; do try to keep up.

Quote:

. fixing the lack of - indeed the impossibility of - any equal distribution in 'jobs' across the nation

Your error: jobs for all (not "equal distribution", a nonsense term - someone has to do the sh*t jobs, and should be highly paid) is a responsibility of government, not an impossibility.

Quote:

. fixing the lack of genuine forward planning and infrastructure (planning and implementation) that will secure a future for the nation and its people
. fixing the inherent unwillingness of some to move with the times
. controlling immigration and arranging a general integration and assimilation so that all may pull in the same direction (generally)
. listening to people like me who know stuff

Not too bad, except for your 2nd and 4th points: YOU are unwilling to move with the times re a Job Guarantee (google it); and your last point is delusional.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:44pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 12:10pm:

Boris wrote on May 7^th, 2025 at 9:16am:

What? People calling for a politically incorrect solution.
That will never do.

How about fixing the poverty and alienatioin causing the crime?

Politically - actually economically - incorrect?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.
[/quote]

How did "we smash their culture" in the remote areas of Australia?

Which part of their culture are they not free to practice? (A part from the most violent and barbaric bits).

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Jasin on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:55pm

Lower caste Abos were banished to the interior.
Hence why a group of them willingly came out of their isolation into the helping hands of a globally saved Australia.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:08pm

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.

How did "we smash their culture" in the remote areas of Australia?[/quote]

By collarring them into remote settlements, destroying their h-g economy.

Quote:

Which part of their culture are they not free to practice? (A part from the most violent and barbaric bits).

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.

How did "we smash their culture" in the remote areas of Australia?

By collarring them into remote settlements, destroying their h-g economy.

Quote:

Which part of their culture are they not free to practice? (A part from the most violent and barbaric bits).

The h-g economy, which relies on unrestricted access to vast swathes of poorly resourced land in desert Oz.

And as for their culture in towns like the Alice and Darwin etc - the "smashed culture" is all too plain to see.

[/quote]
They have unrestricted access to vast swathes of land. They can hunt and gather to their hearts content. They never have to set foot in towns.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 10^th, 2025 at 6:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.
[/quote]

You clown - they've never had it so good or so easy since colonisation.

Gawd you're victimhood champing wanker.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 12^th, 2025 at 7:45am

They rape and murder babies - and eat them I believe.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 12^th, 2025 at 7:50am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.
[/quote]

Other than violence they have no "Culture"

Read this from page 56 on...:

Spears and boomerangs flew with deadly aim. Within a matter
of minutes Ltjabakuka and his men were lying
lifeless in their blood at their brush shelters.
Then the warriors turned their murderous attention to the women and older children, and either
speared or clubbed them to death. Finally, according to the grim custom of warriors and
avengers, they broke the limbs of the infants,
leaving them to die "natural deaths". The final
number of the dead could well have reached the
high figure of from eighty to a hundred men,
women, and children. Before leaving the
stricken camp, the bodies of all clubbed victims
were prodded with spears to make certain that
there was no life left in them. For the warriors
had to be sure beyond all doubt that no eyewitnesses had survived who could later on incite
reprisals against them.

http://webdoc.sub.gwdg.de/ebook/p/2005/strehlow-research/journeyhorseshoebend.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3r4lvLgVnjFROE7GAcdhQYEWxKOW_DY4MxODSS5-Qllcucn_OcxdC1QcI

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.

How did "we smash their culture" in the remote areas of Australia?

By collarring them into remote settlements, destroying their h-g economy.

[quote]Which part of their culture are they not free to practice? (A part from the most violent and barbaric bits).

The h-g economy, which relies on unrestricted access to vast swathes of poorly resourced land in desert Oz.

And as for their culture in towns like the Alice and Darwin etc - the "smashed culture" is all too plain to see.

[/quote]
They have unrestricted access to vast swathes of land. [/quote]

Poorly resourced lands which the colonialists never wanted.

Quote:

They never have to set foot in towns.

Fact is a majority of blacks do live in outback towns, and their relative poverty is causing chaos and crime.

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm

There are millions of kangaroos, wallabies and emus out there just for the spearing [or shooting if they can get a licence].
Plus other cultural and traditional food in plenty.

There are, in fact, more macropods than ever before in Australia’s history.

So no indigenous people ever need go hungty, all that is needed is the will.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:50am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 4:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2025 at 3:21pm:

Gnads wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 4:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2025 at 3:38pm:

Frank wrote on May 4^th, 2025 at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 3:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 12:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 11:40am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 3^rd, 2025 at 10:01am:

Quote:

Why cannot Aboriginal people in remote communities grow their own veggies?

Because you need white man's technology to grow food in a desert.

Well, finish school and you'll have white man's technology and know how.
It is called civilising effect.

See #410; a supportive family in a functional community is a necessity, to finish school.

Well, get functioning and supportive, then, ffs.

Your error: kids can't change poor parental role models in socio-economically blighted communities. Do try to keep up.

It's entirely within their own control.

Nonsense, you are expecting kids in these communities to be young geniuses, despite the fact poverty is correlated with crime.

Government spending solves so many problems! It must solve problems, right? Otherwise, they wouldn't keep doing it!

Get back to me when the government is actually eradicating poverty.

Did they cause poverty in remote communities?

Yes, due to colonialization ("we smashed their culture").

Do try to keep up.

How did "we smash their culture" in the remote areas of Australia?

By collarring them into remote settlements, destroying their h-g economy.

[quote]Which part of their culture are they not free to practice? (A part from the most violent and barbaric bits).

They have unrestricted access to vast swathes of land. [/quote]

Poorly resourced lands which the colonialists never wanted.

Quote:

They never have to set foot in towns.

Fact is a majority of blacks do live in outback towns, and their relative poverty is causing chaos and crime.

Do try to keep up.

[/quote]

You do realise there were and are desert tribes? ... were way out there before colonisation.

Poorly resourced ? meaning what? resourced with or with out what? ::)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense ..... they are Aboriginal communities .... some non Aboriginals may work there but they are solely Aboriginal.

They have the housing supplied(the state of which is in their hands), the medical centres provided, schools provided, stores provided etc etc.

Nothing egregious about a gap or anything else ... they are all on an equal footing.

Afterall they want to live "on country".

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

See how your blind, conservative ideology cripples your abilty to analyze the gap (which we all want to close):

Most of "them" live in Alice Springs, etc. regardless of rhetoric about "living on country".

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1747272554/1#1

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 16^th, 2025 at 12:47pm

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1747272554/1#1

From Brian's link:

“If you're Indigenous, you're beautiful, everyone should be models,” he said".

Quote:

Hey, great divided parrot - Aboriginal unemployment is sorted. Yay!

Sorted? - not by delusions like "they are all beautiful"; in fact most of them are as un-beautiful as the rest of us, which is why they and most whites are not models. And in fact many REAL blacks (not faux white/brown 'blacks') are more disfigured by generational poverty than the rest of us.

Your thinking is as crippled as gnads - worse than a parrot...

Fyi, employment as a model requires certain physical attributes, do try to keep up.

So - back to ensuring jobs are available for everyone, "according to ability" (remember that debate....?).

All ideas will considered on their merit....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 16^th, 2025 at 7:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 12:47pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

There are millions of kangaroos, wallabies and emus out there just for the spearing [or shooting if they can get a licence].
Plus other cultural and traditional food in plenty.

There are, in fact, more macropods than ever before in Australia’s history

So no indigenous people ever need go hungty, all that is needed is the will.

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1747272554/1#1

From Brian's link:

“If you're Indigenous, you're beautiful, everyone should be models,” he said".

[quote] Hey, great divided parrot - Aboriginal unemployment is sorted. Yay!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 17^th, 2025 at 1:48pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 7:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2025 at 12:47pm:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 6:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

There are millions of kangaroos, wallabies and emus out there just for the spearing [or shooting if they can get a licence].
Plus other cultural and traditional food in plenty.

There are, in fact, more macropods than ever before in Australia’s history

So no indigenous people ever need go hungty, all that is needed is the will.

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1747272554/1#1

From Brian's link:

“If you're Indigenous, you're beautiful, everyone should be models,” he said".

[quote] Hey, great divided parrot - Aboriginal unemployment is sorted. Yay!

Have a look at early photos, they are living the real cultural life, and not an ounce of fat on anyone.
Good diet, lean meat, no white bread to which highly deficient food many of today’s Aboriginal people seem addicted.[/quote]

Yes, but we have to close the gap today, and many whites who choose wisely and resist the egregious white man's profit-seeking junkfood diet are also slim and healthy, unlike the poverty-stricken blacks in the Alice, Darwin and elsewhere.

So back to it: any ideas on how to close the gap?

Graps apartheid solution won't work, blacks in regional centres won't "choose" to revert to the h-g culture/economy.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 17^th, 2025 at 10:59pm

The Horror - The Horror.....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/man-arrested-after-27-year-old-stabbed-multiple-times-during-alice-springs-brawl/vi-AA1EW692?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=0d8b675c05f84f8abcbcd962457c205f&ei=13#details

"Man arrested after 27-year-old stabbed ‘multiple times’ during Alice Springs brawl
A 27-year-old man is lucky to be alive after being stabbed multiple times in the Alice Springs CBD yesterday afternoon. It comes just weeks after the stabbing death of a local storekeeper in Darwin. Questions are now being raised about the effectiveness of the Country Liberal Party government’s approach to tackling violent crimes."

Question:- Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way? They claim their former life was wondrous - why are there gaps now? Nobody is stopping them from living their old lifestyle free as birds... nobody is saying they can't terminate one another in Aborassic Park (where that stabbed bloke would now be dead) ... but they just can't carry on that way in civilisation.

It IS up to them to change. You won't be seeing any 'gaps' closed any time soon.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 17^th, 2025 at 11:16pm

1. Nobody is forcing them to live in towns and feel they are disadvantaged because they do not live at the top like white people who go to work and earn their payments on their land etc.

2. The claim is that their former lifestyle was better for them all round - there is nothing to prevent them going back to that. Nobody arrests THEM or fines THEM or sends them on up the road or rips up their humpy if THEY camp in a Tent City!! Nobody forces them to live in air conditioned free houses.

3. Saying they live in town so they can't go hunt etc is nonsense - they can do that any time. Out of Town is walking distance - as clearly evidenced by the locusts walking into town around sunset to start their nightly trouble.

4. It isn't MY Apartheid solution - it is their demand from some of their 'activist elders' and was laid out in the 'Uluru Declaration' that the local Uluruites reject utterly and say they would burn if they had their hands on it - MY plan merely offers them the opportunity to go and do what they claim they want to do and what they reckon will be better for them. Now you blame me for surrendering to their demand for a Homeland all their own! What kind of shagged-up reasoning is that? Whartey is not allowed to say NO to their demands and if you give what they demand you are the bad guy!!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 18^th, 2025 at 10:06am

How do the poverty stricken manage to buy junk food?
The ingredients for good tucker cost less than ready cooked and kangaroo is lean, nutritious and there for the taking; and, unlike the rest of us, Aborigines are allowed to hunt them.
A $1 round will get one 30 pounds of prime meat.
Hunting with a.bow is even cheaper and with the spear cheaper still, but requiring more skill.
Witchetty. grubs are there for the taking and the pink ones found in half submerged logs are a gourmet’s delight.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 18^th, 2025 at 10:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Gnads wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2025 at 11:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 12^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

You are ignoring most blacks live in white settlements, where the gap is egregious.
(check the topic of this thread).

Do try to keep up.

In remote areas that's a nonsense .....

You are ignori...oh never mind, you capacity for logic is crippled, we already know that.

The topic is black poverty, crime - and the gap, in Alice Springs, as in many Oz towns.

Quote:

Afterall they want to live "on country".

That's how much you really know .....SFA.

In 2021 ABS statistics
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/northern-territory-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-population-summary#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20Northern%20Territory,89.9%25%20of%20the%20LGA%20population

In Alice 5,343 identify as ATSI.

Out of a total of 25,186.

As you will see by the photo attached the majority of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders do not live in either Alice Springs or Darwin - which together respectively have only 12,346 of the total territory population.

The other remote communities and towns have 27,632.

Allowing for slight increases since then.

Screenshot_2025-05-18_100027.jpg (96 KB | 5 )

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Daves2017 on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm

I’m thinking it’s not a good thing in 2025 that our indigenous people are asked to rely on hunting and gathering for food as their main source of food.

There is literally a very well paid army size group of public servants who are gainfully employed too help.

The fact that they have failed for so long at such a huge cost is what this discussion should be about!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:38pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

Two things:-

1. That would get rid of the endless layers of public service sucking up and sucking down about 90% of funding... and that doesn't even include the honchoes stealing it before it reaches hungry mouths etc.

2. It would STFU all the whingers and whiners carrying on about their Golden Age that Civilisation Day interrupted ... make it a hate crime to destroy statues and genuine meaningful artwork historical etc.

And 3. (of course) ... it will teach the complaining Abos that they never had it so good - and that it was time to DO BETTER before history leaves them totally behind.

And 4. (ain't I a bastard?) That will validate St Jacinta of the Price Clan's call for a full review into where the funding is going....

Now - for a coffee and couple of Tim Tams - special at $3.50 yesterday... you don't catch me paying $12 for a packet of Tim Tams. I'm busy doing renos, so go ahead without me...

Aye, Jim Lad - I knows where the Tim Tams be buried!!! AArgh!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 17^th, 2025 at 10:59pm:

The Horror - The Horror.....

Agreed.

Quote:

Question:- Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?

Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are liike war zones, your young men are in prison....

Quote:

They claim their former life was wondrous -

You are certainly uneducable: as I have explained many times - it's comfortable black/white cultural activists who rant about " 'first nations' sovereignty" who claim such nonsense re blacks' "wondrous former life".

Quote:

why are there gaps now?
Nobody is stopping them from living their old lifestyle free as birds...

Confirming you are uneducable: most can't or won't consider casting off their clothes and reverting to the h-g culture.

Quote:

It IS up to them to change. You won't be seeing any 'gaps' closed any time soon.

As noted above, even Trump could see the reality re the 'black gap', but he didn't offer the solution - or rather, he assumed that by MAGA, blacks would become educated and employed, thereby moving out of poverty.

But even white working-class MAGA supporters are losing hope fast.... stay tuned.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You are as uneducable as graps.

Graps: "Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?"

A: Because people living in entrenched poverty don't indulge in philosophical considerations re personal responsibility and participation in different 'cultures'.

As Trump himself noted in 2016 (referring to blacks in US inner-city ghettos):
"You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 18^th, 2025 at 10:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Clearly it is not I who am uneducable... what do 'philosophical considerations' have to do with going to school, learning and getting a trade or something?

It is absolutely weird to see someone like you spouting such nonsense.... they DO have 'philosophical considerations' - they want the privilege of living their old way but they also want all the goodies for nothing, and they sure as hell take personal responsibility for that and for living by demand 'their way' without trying.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:07pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 10:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

Daves2017 wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 12:29pm:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Clearly it is not I who am uneducable... what do 'philosophical considerations' have to do with going to school, learning and getting a trade or something?

Proving yourself to possess low IQ (which, combined with an ugly survival of the fittest' conservative ideology, explains why your are uneducable); you wrote:

Quote:

Why is it necessary to close 'gaps' that they themselves will not acknowledge, since they refuse to participate in the White Man's way?

A typical low IQ conservative who can't see conceptual relationships such as "White Man's way" as a culural consideration - which black people in poverty don't concern themselves, unlike comfortable fake (white) 'black' activists who have an axe to grind.

Quote:

they DO have 'philosophical considerations' - they want the privilege of living their old way but they also want all the goodies for nothing, and they sure as hell take personal responsibility for that and for living by demand 'their way' without trying

As noted above, the activists push the '1st nations' culture garbage, not those forced into welfare dependency by lack of jobs; the government can always ensure jobs, to close the gap.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

Meanwhile farmers in SA and Vic have reached the stage of shooting their livestock and their livelihoods.. so much for "good hunting country" in a drought.

Naturally they are calling out for Albo to save their livelihoods, which he could do - there is plenty of feed in other parts of Oz - but Albo thinks he has to balance the federal government's budget, like you and I have to balance our own household budget, and therefore he baulks at paying the costs of trucking the feed from Qld etc. , an operation well within Oz governement capacity since the fodder, trucks, drivers and fuel are all available, able to be purchased and funded by the currency-issuing Oz government's Treasury without causing inflation (since the necessary resources are available).

Google Steve Keen's article "Triggering Crises by Reducing Government Debt", to educate yourself.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 1:00am

So what did Abos do in the Traditional Way during a drought when they had to shoot all their roos and such?

Oh - I know.. I know... they just died of starvation and kept the population so low they couldn't remotely begin to influence the land...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?
Rate of adults charged by police

In 2022-23, across the three jurisdictions with available data, the rate of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander adults charged by police at least once in the previous 12 months ranged from 5,160.1 per 100,000 adults in the population to 7,733.4 per 100,000.

What percentage of aboriginals are in jail in Australia?
First Nations people make up a small proportion (3.8%) of the Australian population. Yet they are over-represented in Australia's prison system, making up 32% of the total prison population, and are incarcerated at much higher rates than non-Indigenous Australians (ABS 2023a, ABS 2023b)

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:00am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 1:00am:

So what did Abos do in the Traditional Way during a drought when they had to shoot all their roos and such?

Pathetic blind ideology, asking silly questions to avoid understanding why "Alice Springs is out of control".

The "Traditional Way" is gone forever - gone with the wind.

Quote:

Oh - I know.. I know... they just died of starvation and kept the population so low they couldn't remotely begin to influence the land...

More likely they walked a thousand miles to reach 'greener pastures', or indeed starved, as primitive man (or kangaroos) have always done during famines.

So back to it: see past your mindless poverty is always with us ideology, and work out how to close the gap.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:05am

Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?

Much higher than for whites, as your stats show.

The question is how to close those stats. ie close the gap.

Suggestions?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:21am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:05am:

Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?

Much higher than for whites, as your stats show.

The question is how to close those stats. ie close the gap.

Suggestions?

Stop drinking, fighting, neglecting and abusing your kiddies. So when you are sober and clean, turn up to school, turn up to training, turn up to work.

A good start, all doable without a single government intervention. Millions, billions around the world manage it. EVEN Aborigines!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:34am

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:05am:

Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?

Much higher than for whites, as your stats show.

The question is how to close those stats. ie close the gap.

Suggestions?

Trump in 2016 (on blacks in US inner-city ghettos) : "You are living in poverty, your neigbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison..."

Why is it so?

Obviously government intervention to end povery is necessary.

Your conservative "go get a job" ideology is crippling your powers of analysis.

Meanwile, democratic governments are failing all around the world because the economy is failing to give the bottom half a fair go.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:41am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:34am:

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:05am:

Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:17am:

What is the criminal rate for the Aboriginal people?

Much higher than for whites, as your stats show.

The question is how to close those stats. ie close the gap.

Suggestions?

Trump in 2016 (on blacks in US inner-city ghettos)

:D :D :D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:47am

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2022/05/20/social-unrest-is-rising-adding-to-risks-for-global-economy

Social Unrest is Rising, Adding to Risks for Global Economy

This year, large and long-running anti-government demonstrations have occurred in some advanced economies where unrest is relatively rare, such as Canada and New Zealand. And in several emerging and developing economies, coups and constitutional crises have sparked widespread protests. A recent body of IMF work aims to understand the economic drivers and costs of such unrest.

Like all blind Conservatives, Frank denies the existence of these macroeconomic realities, and the consequences for individuals, many of whom can't simply "go get a job" to escape poverty. Even whites on Job Seeker in Oz can attest to that.

And btw, your three clowns emojis are as silly as Brian's yawns which yo despise so much....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:50am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:47am:

Get back on topic, silly parrot.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1674245587/465#465

There ARE things you can do - must do - WITHOUT government assistance. Importantly, no amount of government assistance will help if you DONT do these things.

That is the crux of the matter.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:52am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

There isa drought around the Alice?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:59am

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:50am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:47am:

Get back on topic, silly parrot.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1674245587/465#465

Trump on crime in black poverty ghettos IS on topic you mindless Conservative ideologue.

You thought your 3 clown emojis (like your despised Brian's yawn) is sufficient argument to deny the relationship between poverty, crime, and macroeconomic dysfunction - which the IMF wants to understand, given increasing social unrest in many countries even among people not living in poverty (yet), as the middle class is under increasing pressure.

Deplorable.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

There is a drought around the Alice?

Already answered in my reply to graps (#463)

Now, back to the topic - how to close the gap among the majority of blacks who live in regional centres?

I have disposed of Frank's and grap's and Boris's crippled analysis, so what are your ideas to close the gap, to end the social unrest in the Alice and elsewhere?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:15pm

Why close the gaps? The Abos are content to sit out there and 'be traditional' and collect $1.1m in 'royalties - rent by other means, you understand - just for being there. Then they can come into town to binge and stab one another.

Now - which 'gap' would you like to start with?

Crime Rate?
Domestic violence and killing?
Child abuse and neglect?
Incarceration Rate?
Kids removed rate?
Self-induced poverty?

Name one and lay out your plan..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D .. we won't hold our breath.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Why close the gaps?

Because everyone wants to close it - except sufferers of crippled brain syndrome like you, and welfare dependent blacks sitting around in parks in a drunken stupor, the very people who you claim should say "hey, why don't we go get a job".......

So I rest my case; the rest of your post is CIGO.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Why close the gaps?

Because everyone wants to close it - except sufferers of crippled brain syndrome ~~like you, and~~ the welfare dependent blacks sitting around in parks in a drunken stupor, the very people who ~~you claim~~ should say "hey, why don't we go get a job?".......

~~So I rest my case; the rest of your post is CIGO.~~

Yes they should. They crippled their own brains.

You have never had a case.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Boris on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:22pm

https://x.com/FranMooMoo/status/1923280411121287564

https://x.com/ReubzRichardson/status/1773102395767038199

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:37pm

No single gap you want to address? Lay out YOUR plan to close?

Just content to persist with the empty-headed abusive rhetoric... you're all like that.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:39pm

Boris wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:22pm:

https://x.com/FranMooMoo/status/1923280411121287564

https://x.com/ReubzRichardson/status/1773102395767038199

Pillperth reckons there's no civil war out there..... guess he just needs to get out more....

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm

We need to close the Arseholes On The Streets Gap!!

What'll it be, Pilgrim? Their own Homeland where they can do things their way (LMFAO) or prison?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 21^st, 2025 at 4:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

There is a drought around the Alice?

So there isn't drought around Alice Springs, so why don’t they hunt for delicious free food?
I lived for some months with truly tribal Aborigines in my youth, in country that would today be considered drought stricken and we had an abundance of food, took most of daylight time to get it, or rather most of the women’s time.
The blokes knocked off enough roo, snake or lizard
before sunhigh.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 21^st, 2025 at 6:25pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

We need to close the Arseholes On The Streets Gap!!

Close the crack!!

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 21^st, 2025 at 10:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Pardon me - I need a minute to stop laughing.... you've offered nothing to the discussion. There is no 'crippled analysis' - you yourself say 'regional centres' - where there is not much work for anyone.

What is YOUR proposal?

I prefer the Two State Solution myself... easier on and for everyone.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 22^nd, 2025 at 6:52am

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1230428545102186

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

There is a drought around the Alice?

;D ;D

Très amusant. You have delusions of adequacy in Bbwiyawnesque proportions, parrot.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 22^nd, 2025 at 12:03pm

My ideas on closing the gap?
Start treating all Australians equally and let society take its course.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:06pm

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Why close the gaps?

Yes they should. They crippled their own brains.

There's your error right there: generational poverty destroys parental role models - and brains.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:12pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 12:03pm:

My ideas on closing the gap?
Start treating all Australians equally and let society take its course.

Who must start treating all Australians equally? Who isn't doing it currently?

And what does "treating all Australians equally look like?

Certainly most decent, non-rabid-RW Australians want to close the awful gap stats.

So you need to answer the above questions if we are going to make progress on closing the gap.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:16pm

Frank wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 11:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2025 at 4:26pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 18^th, 2025 at 9:43pm:

A 10 minute walk from the Alice puts one in good hunting country, it’s not a big place.

There is a drought around the Alice?

;D ;D

Très amusant. You have delusions of adequacy in Bbwiyawnesque proportions, parrot.

Recognition of the correlation between poverty and crime - understood even by Trump when he was seeking election in 2016 - is not delusional, it's reality.

Do try to keep up.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 10:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

In the Alice - like all mixed-race communities - unemployment is much higher among blacks than whites, hence the awful gap stats.

Quote:

What is YOUR proposal?

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

Quote:

I prefer the Two State Solution myself... easier on and for everyone.

Confirming the inadequacy of your ideologically crippled brain.

Hint: envisage a better Australia, if you can.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

You're a kid, aren't you?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 24^th, 2025 at 12:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 12:03pm:

My ideas on closing the gap?
Start treating all Australians equally and let society take its course.

Who must start treating all Australians equally? Who isn't doing it currently?
The Government [in all levels] asking respondents to questionnaires if they are Aboriginai or…, says it all.].
And what does "treating all Australians equally look like?
It looks like treating all Australians equally]
Certainly most decent, non-rabid-RW Australians want to close the awful gap stats.

So you need to answer the above questions if we are going to make progress on closing the gap.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 24^th, 2025 at 1:08pm

You won't get jobs handed to Aborigines 'out there' in Lingalongaland, where there are few jobs for everyone.... which is why the population is so low.

Accept the broad sweep of the thinking Grappler's GAIA plans for developing Australian infrastructure and how to fund that etc...leading into an industrial powerhouse... and employment for those interested enough .....

You want to bet the hold-outs will demand royalties so they can live without working?

THAT is their biggest problem... they want it all and they want it for free off the backs of everyone else - and like the rest of the world with all its leeches - people are getting sick of hearing about them and their self-induced problems.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:33pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:12pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 22^nd, 2025 at 12:03pm:

My ideas on closing the gap?
Start treating all Australians equally and let society take its course.

self defence is a right

Your error: self defence only makes sense one on one; war is madness.

And consideration of WHY you are attacked in your home or on the street by an indivudual criminal (or gang) must be considered by the community, so government can reduce the incidence of such crimes.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:33pm:

"What do they call a war to which only one side comes ready to fight? A massacre." - US 101st Trooper, Vietnam 1969.

Next time the machete wielders are trying to bash the door down I'll engage them in a sociological discussion of why they are doing that... and just leave the shotgun in the cupboard loaded and ready. I'd prefer to blow them out of the airlock... but we could settle it over a cup of tea like reasonable human beings, ay?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:33pm:

You completely ignored the fact war is insane, and has nothing to do with SELF defence.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

What is your PLAN! In detail.... you do know the difference between a motherhood statement and a plan, don't you?

I picture you strapped in a high chair somewhere with your keyboard, in a super-autistic ward or similar...

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

You mean how to ensure jobs for all, starting with all those who want to work?

Admittedly that requires overturning obsolete neoclassical economics; inter alia, by exposing the error of accepting self interest as the basis of social organization.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 25^th, 2025 at 6:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

And when, pray tell, has self interest not been the basis of social organization ?

Certainly applies to many insects but not to sentient beings.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 25^th, 2025 at 7:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:33pm:

You completely ignored the fact war is insane, and has nothing to do with SELF defence.

You are an idiot. We know it, you probably know it. Nobody can be SO stupid without at least some incling. You present as being totally oblivious but I doubt its possible to be genuinely so stupid. Bbwiyawn is. He is just a moron without rhyme or reason.
You, on the other hand, are a little agit-prop cadre, spouting crap with a purpose. An idiotic, laughable purpose, but purpose nevertheless.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:41am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

And when, pray tell, has self interest not been the basis of social organization ?

Since 1945, when - despite the built-in dysfunction of the UN (with the UNSC veto) - an 'international rules based order' to which all were signed up was created for the first time in world history.

In other words, a mere 80 years...it's not surprising you haven't caught up, given the recorded 8000 years of anarchy under self-interest-based social organization.

Quote:

Certainly applies to many insects but not to sentient beings.

See above.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 26^th, 2025 at 11:48am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

[

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 26^th, 2025 at 12:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

And when, pray tell, has self interest not been the basis of social organization ?

Certainly applies to many insects but not to sentient beings.

See above.

I assume that you mean the Declaration of Human Rights?
Which itself is based on self interest.
Really you’re stating to sound like an old time Commo.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 27^th, 2025 at 9:53am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 12:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

And when, pray tell, has self interest not been the basis of social organization ?

Certainly applies to many insects but not to sentient beings.

See above.

I assume that you mean the Declaration of Human Rights?
Which itself is based on self interest.
Really you’re stating to sound like an old time Commo.

Fairly sure he/she is.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 27^th, 2025 at 4:45pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 12:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2025 at 10:41am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 6:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2025 at 12:27pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 24^th, 2025 at 9:49am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2025 at 6:34pm:

A government progran to ensure employment for every working age person. in conjunction with policies needed to overcome the poverty-crime nexus.

And how exactly do you plan to have that operate? A motherhood statement is not sufficient.... give us your PLAN.

Outlined in the "abused for speaking up" thread #164.

Not one word there about how you propose to make your idea actually work... but that's expected of you.

And when, pray tell, has self interest not been the basis of social organization ?

Certainly applies to many insects but not to sentient beings.

See above.

I assume that you mean the Declaration of Human Rights?

Yes, the first internationally recognized declaration of universal prosperity and peace for all nations

Quote:

Which itself is based on self interest.

Your first error: I was expecting it.

(Note: you missed out the word "Universal" in your assumption...a Freudian slip perhaps...)

The UN UDHR is concerned to:

1. ensure everyone can prosper in an economy which works for all - see Article 23.

2. ensure everyone can live without the threat of war.

So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest.

Keep trying....

Quote:

Really you’re stating to sound like an old time Commo.

No, I'm a 'new time "commo" ' who wants to see the UNUDHR endorsed as the basis for global development.

In oppostion to the current chaos and state-sanctioned genocide in the world.

You?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Jasin on May 27^th, 2025 at 4:47pm

Only if it suits the Left narrative.
UN did nothing to stop Hamas, but bullied Israel instead.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 27^th, 2025 at 5:14pm

Jasin wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

Only if it suits the Left narrative.
UN did nothing to stop Hamas, but bullied Israel instead.

More crippled analysis: the UN - after voting to partition Palestine, failed to ensure the recognition, establishment and security of the two states (as per UN res 181) in the face of opposing ideologies of individual groups who preferred to wage war against one another - as opposing ideologies are want to to do, which is why we need a UNSC which can defend UN resolutions.

As for Hamas, it is a creature of the UN's failure to finally bring the war to an end in 1967, as per UN 242.

All because human social organization based on perceived self-interest of states, ideologies and individuals still rules, like the ugly extremist oafs in Jerusalem today.

Al Jazeera’s correspondent Nida Ibrahim reports Israeli settler groups harassing Palestinians during the annual Jerusalem Day Flag March—celebrating Israel’s occupation of the city in 1967 following the Six-Day War

East Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine as per UN res 181 - or rather: Jerusalem is to be a free UN-administered zone for the 3 Abrahamic religions and the world...a wondeful vision of enlightenment among men, after 3000 years of war over Jerusalem's status.

But those "Promised Land" extremist ideologues, emboldened by Trump, are becoming uglier and more dangerous by the day.

Deplorable.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 27^th, 2025 at 7:03pm

Jasin wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

Only if it suits the Left narrative.
UN did nothing to stop Hamas, but bullied Israel instead.

Albo and his tame Musso Ed Husic got into Israel today on Novosti.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/26/australian-pm-anthony-albanese-israel-gaza-aid-blockade-outrage

There can be no dialogue with someone whose only desire is to kill you.

Wake up, Albo - and choose the side of Right for a change.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 28^th, 2025 at 5:10pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 27^th, 2025 at 7:03pm:

There can be no dialogue with someone whose only desire is to kill you.

Wake up, Albo - and choose the side of Right for a change.

More inadequate analysis, the result of acceptance of social organization based on self-interest alone.

Which I have explained in previous posts - which only proves how uneducable self-interest is.

This war has been going on since Israel was recognized in 1947, so we have had plenty of time to understand why "someone whose only desire is to kill you" exists.

But graps persists with 'don't worry about causation, just make sure you kill first'.

Deplorable.

A pox on the ideologues on both sides who resort to slaughter to defend their evil opposing ideologies.

Interestingly the global mood seems to be shifting, and graps 'kill first' ideology is being questioned by more and more world leaders including Albo.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm

No solutions then?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

Your error (we'll get there in the end...):

"Everyone's" self interest is an oxymoron, since each has his own self-interest which may or may not coincide with Universal Rights, as identified in the UN UDHR.

In short, the right to work under acceptable conditions, without threat of war.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on May 29^th, 2025 at 4:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

And - HOW do YOU propose to make it all work better for all? enough of the motherhood statements - meanderings of possible intent.. HOW are YOU going to achieve this?

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way..... the potential number of intra-neural connections in one human brain could control the universe at the molecular level ... what a waste yours is ......

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

An economy that works for all...

Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
BBC

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Brian Ross on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm

Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody >:(

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Frank on May 30^th, 2025 at 3:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody >:(

Shoplifting can damage your health

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gordon on May 30^th, 2025 at 5:14pm

Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody >:(

Shoplifting can damage your health

LoL looks like a meth convention.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Jasin on May 30^th, 2025 at 5:21pm

Ha! ;D

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Gnads on May 31^st, 2025 at 7:43am

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 1:58pm:

Anger and devastation in Alice Springs following death of Walpiri man in police custody >:(

>:( Shame on you for once again posting an article that shows the systemic bias of the ABC towards Aboriginal issues.

I'd suggest all Walpiri people stay in their communities instead of coming into Alice to commit crime.

They want justice? For what? They need to control their young people. But they don't or can't - then think these outcomes are everyone elses fault.

Justice has been served. >:(

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on May 31^st, 2025 at 5:49pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

What about it?

A brief history of "rights" for you; individuals have possessed the right to self-defence since the beginning of time, based on the survival instinct of individuals, formerly expressed as 'an eye for an eye' (before Jesus said 'turn the other cheek', implicit in the Sermon on the Mount: "blessed are the peace makers").

Which explains why this is the ONE right you want discuss above all other rights, thereby rendering inoperable the concept of universal rights.

The UN UDHR is concerned with identifying rights belonging to all by virtue of being human.
.......

So a black man from a desperately-low socio-economic economic background is apprehended for stealing goods from a supermarket: he abuses the security guards, they wrestle him to the ground.

So a struggle ensues.

Cause of death (not examined by a coroner, of course): poverty entrenched by an evil economic system based on "free" individuals competing in "free" markets - which demonstrably entrenches socio-economic disadvantage, violating Article 23 of the UN UDHR.

Even Trump is railing against the present system: "the world is raping the US"(!).

And you - with your 'individual rights" delusions, want to stick your nose into an ideological dispute in China re Taiwan which is a Chinese province - a dispute which is now causing Trump to upend the world trading system, so he can "save the free world".

So - re the 'right to self defence': it's a given and doesn't require listing among the universal rights of mankind, rights which require social organization based on more than self-interest, if men are to advance beyond the chaotic social relations which are threatening our very existence in a globalized world.i

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Jasin on May 31^st, 2025 at 6:13pm

Daddy and Mummy Alice mob tell their kids to go out and steal, beg and harass, etc upon them being kids and victimhood Aborigines via emotional blackmail with Media support like the ABC.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Sir Eoin O Fada on May 31^st, 2025 at 7:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

‘Payment rates
As at 20 March 2023, the maximum fortnightly JobSeeker payment for a single person with no children was $693.10. The maximum fortnightly Youth Allowance (other) payment for a single person with no children, over 18 and living at home, was $389.40, or if they are living away from home $562.80’’

What’s wrong with this unfortunate young man paying, he's got money.

‘’Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.’’

Which embodies the right to self defence and, logically, the right to the means of such defence.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:13am

Jasin wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Daddy and Mummy Alice mob tell their kids to go out and steal, beg and harass, etc upon them being kids and victimhood Aborigines via emotional blackmail with Media support like the ABC.

Wrong as always.

The 3rd world conditions in the remote community this bloke came from are real, even if concealed by the 'traditional lifestyle' in these remote communities (with poor housing, poor sanitation, low food quality); you wouldn't want to stay there for a day....

Whereas in places like the Alice, welfare dependency is managed tolerably well by locking up the drunks, until - as the thread title acknowledges - "Alice is out of control".

Whereas the ABC doesn't promote "emotional blackmail", it supports 1st nations' mythology, while ignoring the failure of the neoliberal economic system to eliminate the 3rd world conditions in remote communities and welfare dependency elsewhere.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:16am

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:41am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 7:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 31^st, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 30^th, 2025 at 10:04am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:22pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 10:06am:

‘’ So the Declaration is based on EVERYONE'S "rights", not "rights" based on SELF- interest’’

Based on everyone’s self interest.

How about the right to self defence against unlawful aggression?

Leaving aside this bloke was disabled and unabled to be cared for in his community which lacked the resources to care for him, Job Seeker is below poverty level, as everyone acknowledges:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjtgb3Dh8-NAxWWTGwGHXspHTwQFnoECBQQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.gov.au%2FDocum

Quote:

What’s wrong with this unfortunate young man paying, he's got money.

He was under the care of disability services in the Alice; the question is why was he in a supermarket while unsupervised?

Quote:

‘’Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.’’

Which is impossible while the threat of war remains, as we are seeing all over again; the enforced slavery of all of us to the military industrial complex destroys our liberty as resources are diverted to prepartions for war.

Which Eisenhower insightfully described as: "Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron".

Quote:

Which embodies the right to self defence and, logically, the right to the means of such defence.

You claiming logic is an oxymoron, as to be expected from asserting the primacy of individual self-interest over collective well-being.

A balance between the two is vital for human wellbeing.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 11:57am

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 4:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

And - HOW do YOU propose to make it all work better for all? enough of the motherhood statements - meanderings of possible intent.. HOW are YOU going to achieve this?

By educating politicians that the privilege of creating money, currently restricted to private sector agents alone, is the reason why governments can't eradicate poverty.

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the potential number of intra-neural connections in one human brain could control the universe at the molecular level ... what a waste yours is ......

Wrong even here: no human brain can control the universe; but humans who use their brains CAN create an economy which works for all.

But the economic 'flat-earth' idoelogues are still in control.

So Trump - in a confused 'make or break' effort - is shaking the flat-earthers up in a big way....stay tuned.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:08pm

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

An economy that works for all...

Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
BBC

Then China shouldn't be making cars in Brazil (I'll ignore the anti-Chinese bias of the BBC, in order to address your argument); but dysfunctional WTO trade rules have led to Trump's 'revolution', and his misplaced tariffs which are supposed to remove income taxes from Amercians while raising revenue from tariffs on the rest of the world - certainly not an example of "an economy which works for all".

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:24pm

“By educating politicians that the privilege of creating money, currently restricted to private sector agents alone, is the reason why governments can't eradicate poverty. “

More generalisation and motherhood statements - nothing of true value, social or otherwise – lack of action.

“Wrong even here: no human brain can control the universe; but humans who use their brains CAN create an economy which works for all. “

Your English is as bad as your Chinese – it said 'POTENTIALLY' – nothing 'wrong' about the statement. Clearly you do not understand intra-neural connections.... and are mistaking 'reasoning' for 'brain function' - that is very common amongst the flat earthers called trannies, who confuse 'their inerpretation of feelings' with actual brain working.... one is the hardware - the other the software, and often the software is very soft.

Trump is shaking up all the turkeys... but at heart he is one of what YOU call 'flat earthers' with the same views on money, and his focus is on bringing home the bacon for the 'lower class' folks.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

An economy that works for all...

Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
BBC

There is no bias in facts......................... though the facts under discussion may be biased... for example - if a Chinese factory in Brazil uses slave conditions for workers - THAT is a bias towards the old Mandarin class structure of Chinese Feudalism - if someone comments on that bias - that is simply a fact.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 2^nd, 2025 at 12:05pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:24pm:

Progressive action begins with thinking (as opposed to action which is reflexive and instinct-based, like Sir Eoin's 'self-defence' actions - a 'right', no less, no thinking required, just kill or be killed...hoping you survive the 'self-defence' conflict.

As opposed to progressive thinking which is then spread by education. "The pen is mightier than the sword".

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Your English is as bad as your Chinese – it said 'POTENTIALLY' – nothing 'wrong' about the statement.

Your "individual freedom" ideology causes you to persist with your errors: the infinite universe cannot (even 'potentially') be controlled by humans; we don't even know what the universe is because humans can't comprehend infinity.

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Clearly you do not understand intra-neural connections.... and are mistaking 'reasoning' for 'brain function'

Wrong again: intra-neutral connections create consciousness and the ability to reason; the (whole) brain acts/functions as a CPU for bodily functions (including thinking).

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-the flat earthers called trannies, who confuse 'their inerpretation of feelings' with actual brain working.... one is the hardware - the other the software, and often the software is very soft.

Sef-interest influences thinking in negative as well as positive ways, yes we know that already.

I'd say trannies (0.1% of the population - why do you keep referencing them?) have their own issues, like gays once had, but have since mostly been dealt with by society.

Unlike the task of creating an economy which works for all, a task which remains to be fulfilled; can you assist - by engaging some of the neurons you were born with?

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Trump is shaking up all the turkeys... but at heart he is one of what YOU call 'flat earthers' with the same views on money, and his focus is on bringing home the bacon for the 'lower class' folks.

Yes. Hence the need to view money creation as a necessary function of government alongside money creation by self-interested private agents.

Trump's attempts to MAGA via tariffs will alienate the rest of the world even if he succeeds in restoring manufacturing jobs in the US without causing a 'price infaltion' recession in the US.

Unless an IMF/World Bank is instituted with the authority to create money in any currency.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by thegreatdivide on Jun 2^nd, 2025 at 12:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 1^st, 2025 at 12:08pm:

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2025 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 28^th, 2025 at 6:11pm:

No solutions then?

You dementing? You've been told many times, in short, an economy which works for all.

You have more brain cells than stars in the milky way.....what a waste......

An economy that works for all...

Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
BBC

I'll let a discussion of media bias pass - I did say I would address Frank's post, and I did.

As for "facts", your "freedom" ideology renders your understanding of facts hopelessly flawed; eg, you still haven't acknowledged the proven correlation between poverty and crime.

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Jun 2^nd, 2025 at 3:45pm

Thoughts must translate into actions - thinking and 'feeling' your way is not going to solve the problems.

What ACTIONS are you proposing?

Title: Re: Alice Springs - out of control
Post by Grappler Truth Teller on Jun 2^nd, 2025 at 3:51pm

For what reason do I need to discuss any correlation between poverty and crime? EVERYONE knows there is a given that SOME people living in poverty will turn to crime....

Don't spend so much time trying to find some lever in discussion by grasping at the bleedingly obvious ... give us your SOLUTIONS!

I've offered the very best solution to date - a Homeland all of their own where they can do things their way and in accordance with the demands put forth during the 'voice' nonsense....

Go then - be one with your culture - I said - and everyone screamed that it was I being the 'racist' and not those who were demanding their own state, their own sovereignty, their own ownership of everything they could see, their own seats in Parliament, Apartheid, segregation, control over land, water and resources, and so forth...

Now then - about those CRIMINALS??

What is your proposal to fix their problems?

First get them onboard with the idea of going to work..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Long ago, Jesus, on his way to Heaven, dropped by and viewed his Abo children in all their glory..... leaving them he said - "Don't do anything until I get back...."