CHARGED. Told yaz.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-20/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-how-it-unfolded/101875138

Well - I suppose there is opportunity for that.... but the armourer is directly responsible... who TF brings live ammo onto a film set?

Well - MAYBE in a single personal weapon never touched by anyone else in case there is an attempted robbery of the firearms or something... VERY remote.... and anyone with any sense would ensure that had zero compatibility with any weapon to be used on the set.

FFS... simple rules make life easy to keep....

Once on a set I had to fire a shotgun ... pointed down a beach... another time I had to hold a pistol on two guys and found it difficult to actually point at them.... goes against the training you see....

I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set?
Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec?

Sophia wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set? Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec?

After the incident, Alec the psychopath screached, not my fault not my fault.....then just about every action actor in Hollywood piped in and said, yeah, we take gun safety seriously and personally check every round in every firearm that's handed to us.

Baldwin also LIED and said the gun spontaneously went off, a physical impossibility with a revolver.

The armourer needs to go down, so does the trigger puller.

Gordon wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:20pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:15pm: I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set? Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec? After the incident, Alec the psychopath screached, not my fault not my fault.....then just about every action actor in Hollywood piped in and said, yeah, we take gun safety seriously and personally check every round in every firearm that's handed to us. Baldwin also LIED and said the gun spontaneously went off, a physical impossibility with a revolver. The armourer needs to go down, so does the trigger puller.

Loaded guns… hmmmm….
Especially in America…
One should think… a horse always kicks, and a gun is always loaded.

Trouble is… in USA guns are so easily attainable, branded around, so used to its presence, no one takes it seriously…
Therefore… I see it as Alec may go to jail…. he’s been made an example to take guns in hand as a fully personal responsibility and face the consequences.

good- hope he enjoys those 18 months- he earned them

Gordon wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:20pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:15pm: I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set? Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec? After the incident, Alec the psychopath screached, not my fault not my fault.....then just about every action actor in Hollywood piped in and said, yeah, we take gun safety seriously and personally check every round in every firearm that's handed to us. Baldwin also LIED and said the gun spontaneously went off, a physical impossibility with a revolver. The armourer needs to go down, so does the trigger puller.

Involuntary says it - sounds like a chance for a civil settlement... bastard of a thing to happen to anyone.... bet there are extra checks in place now.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:20pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:15pm: I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set? Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec? After the incident, Alec the psychopath screached, not my fault not my fault.....then just about every action actor in Hollywood piped in and said, yeah, we take gun safety seriously and personally check every round in every firearm that's handed to us. Baldwin also LIED and said the gun spontaneously went off, a physical impossibility with a revolver. The armourer needs to go down, so does the trigger puller. Involuntary says it - sounds like a chance for a civil settlement... bastard of a thing to happen to anyone.... bet there are extra checks in place now.

Actually, not really, no need. Millions of blank rounds get fired on movie sets all around the world every year and nobody dies.

The producers (Baldwin was also an EP) penny pinched and got a cheap, inexperienced  schit armorer. There were numerous other safety concerns on set and lastly, Baldwin is a Cword and didn't personally check the weapon himself.

Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen???

:-? :-? :-?

Agnes. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:31pm:

good- hope he enjoys those 18 months- he earned them

I suspect he gets 12 months and out in 6 with his constipation cured.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen??? :-? :-? :-?

The laws and rules need to be looked at.

Apparently people were using the gun with live ammunition for target practice in breaks.

A gun to be used as a move prop should be registered as such and it should be illegal to ever put a live round in that gun.

Should be compulsory for 3 people to check any weapon taken onto a movie set every time it is used.

Alex is responsible for an accidental shooting and would seem to libel to some degree of carelessness.

However in the US it is ok to take a gun to a protest and shoot a few people, this is certainly not as bad as that one.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 11:04pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen??? :-? :-? :-? The laws and rules need to be looked at. Apparently people were using the gun with live ammunition for target practice in breaks. A gun to be used as a move prop should be registered as such and it should be illegal to ever put a live round in that gun. Should be compulsory for 3 people to check any weapon taken onto a movie set every time it is used. Alex is responsible for an accidental shooting and would seem to libel to some degree of carelessness. However in the US it is ok to take a gun to a protest and shoot a few people, this is certainly not as bad as that one.

Karma meets Hypocrisy

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen??? :-? :-? :-?

You offended me for telling the truth - and challenged me to prove what I said - so I did with experts Webb and Sutton.

So I told the truth and you owe me an apology.

Of course deluded psychotics never apologise when they are proven wrong.

Sophia wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:

I agree Mr. G… who the hell brings live ammo to a film/movie set? Who was responsible for props and handing that loaded gun to Alec?

The sheila armourer has also been charged....  25 year old Hannah Gutierrez Reed.

Too inexperienced and to much safety complacency by others on the set.

It does not matter if it's a real, replica or toy gun ... you don't point them at random people & pull the trigger.

Baldwin is a dumb tnuc.

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:45am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen??? :-? :-? :-? You offended me for telling the truth - and challenged me to prove what I said - so I did with experts Webb and Sutton. So I told the truth and you owe me an apology. Of course deluded psychotics never apologise when they are proven wrong.

Piss off you dickhead....You deserve the lack of respect you get arsehole...Sook!!!

:) :) :)

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:03am:

Boris wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:45am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Why would you ever point a gun at someone on a movie set....Despite the obvious neglect of safety protocals, Baldwin should accept responsability for his own actions....How could this happen??? :-? :-? :-? You offended me for telling the truth - and challenged me to prove what I said - so I did with experts Webb and Sutton. So I told the truth and you owe me an apology. Of course deluded psychotics never apologise when they are proven wrong. Piss off you dickhead....You deserve the lack of respect you get arsehole...Sook!!! :) :) :) Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

Can you read?

You offended me for telling the truth - and challenged me to prove what I said - so I did with experts Webb and Sutton.

So I told the truth and you owe me an apology.

Of course deluded psychotics never apologise when they are proven wrong.

Listen to this you wanker - blind ignorant fool

https://www.2gb.com/get-your-arse-into-gear-ray-hadley-slams-pms-lack-of-urgency-in-alice-springs/

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:07am:

For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D

Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!!

::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:07am:

For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D

Listen to this you blind ignorant fool - this is your fault

https://www.2gb.com/get-your-arse-into-gear-ray-hadley-slams-pms-lack-of-urgency-in-alice-springs/

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::)

You are a blind ignorant fool

I quoted the experts

Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Listen to this you blind ignorant fool - this is your fault https://www.2gb.com/get-your-arse-into-gear-ray-hadley-slams-pms-lack-of-urgency-in-alice-springs/

Farrkk off back to mother Russia if you don't like it here

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:11am:

Boris wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Listen to this you blind ignorant fool - this is your fault https://www.2gb.com/get-your-arse-into-gear-ray-hadley-slams-pms-lack-of-urgency-in-alice-springs/ Farrkk off back to mother Russia if you don't like it here

Women and children - even babies are being raped and murdered right now - and you are ignorant and just do not care

Listen to that link

Boris... mate...

Is there any chance of you—for once—not deliberately derailing
every thread in which you post comments?

This thread is NOT about you, it's about Alec Baldwin.

You really need to focus on the topic at hand, rather than having
these puerile tantrums every time someone questions the sort of
drivel you post.

These sorts of comments from you suggest sociopathy:


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You are a blind ignorant fool...

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Piss off you dickhead....You deserve the lack of respect you get arsehole...

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Listen to this you blind ignorant fool - this is your fault...

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Deluded psychotics never apologise when they are proven wrong...

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Listen to this you wanker - blind ignorant fool...

And this comment has NOTHING to do with Baldwin's case:


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Women and children - even babies are being raped and murdered right now - and you are ignorant and just do not care.

        >:(

And you should be aware that deliberately derailing threads is a
breach of the forum's rules, and you may well get suspended.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::)

;D ;D Says you - look who's talking.

Baldwin is now claiming—absurdly—that he didn't pull the
trigger of the gun he was holding, that somehow, magically
it just went off.  Which is nonsense of course, and simply
shows that he's using any old excuse in an effort to avoid
any blame and/or avoid any jail time.     Pathetic.

Anyway...

If someone is handed any firearm, real or replica, the very first
thing they MUST do is to check to see whether it's loaded or not. 
And if it is loaded, then they must immediately unload it to make
it safe.  This includes checking for a round already chambered. 
Baldwin failed to do this, and this is why he must be held accountable
for killing Halyna Hutchins.

At the very least, Baldwin could've dry fired the gun, pointing at
the ground, as a simple precaution.  Were I judging his case, I'd
expect a charge of  criminally negligent homicide—which is where
death results from serious negligence, or serious recklessness.

Baldwin was obviously negligent and reckless.

A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability.
A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant
intentionally puts themselves in a position where they will be
unaware of facts which would render them liable for a death.

The "involuntary" part of the charghe is inappropriate in Baldwin's case IMO.

Gnads wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D Says you - look who's talking.

Defending Boris....Just about sums you up ballsack???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:25am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D Says you - look who's talking. Defending Boris....Just about sums you up ballsack??? ::) ::) ::)

I'm not defending Boris.

I'm having a shot at you Phucknuckle Phil
calling anyone a dickhead.

You somehow managed to deliberately misconstrue what my intentions were ... when they were solely about you darling. :-*

Dickhead.

John Smith is just plain STUPID! HE CANNOT HELP IT.

Gnads wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:25am: Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D Says you - look who's talking. Defending Boris....Just about sums you up ballsack??? ::) ::) ::) I'm not defending Boris. I'm having a shot at you Phucknuckle Phil calling anyone a dickhead. You somehow managed to deliberately misconstrue what my intentions were ... when they were solely about you darling. :-* Dickhead.

So your intent is to troll me like Boris....You are pathetic ballsack???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:08am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:56am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:25am: Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:07am: For someone who spends his time on here  being as offensive to most people as one can get, who'd have thought Boris would be such a cry baby about being himself offended :D :D :D Boris is an offence to himself....Anyone who devotes so much time being a dickhead is beyond help!!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D Says you - look who's talking. Defending Boris....Just about sums you up ballsack??? ::) ::) ::) I'm not defending Boris. I'm having a shot at you Phucknuckle Phil calling anyone a dickhead. You somehow managed to deliberately misconstrue what my intentions were ... when they were solely about you darling. :-* Dickhead. So your intent is to troll me like Boris....You are pathetic ballsack??? ::) ::) ::)

Being a hypocrite again I see.

Well... this is yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by people posting
TOTALLY off-topic drivel, consisting entirely of childish, puerile
personal attacks on each other.

People... please give it up, and get this thread back on track.

      8-)

Alec will be in Alkatraz soon, Bubba will be waiting for him.

C-division will be requesting his Trump comedy routine.

I suspect he will get off.

It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well.

Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position.

What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ?

The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was.

The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident.

I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:24pm:

I suspect he will get off. It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well. Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position. What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ? The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was. The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident. I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts.

Nope. The ultimate responsibility remains with the person who points the gun at another human. That's Baldwin

An actor does not get a free pass'
Other actors – including "A-list" celebrities – consulted by prosecutors said they "always check their guns or have someone check it in front of them," Carmack-Altwies told CNN shortly after announcing her intention to file involuntary manslaughter charges.

"Every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they're going to handle that gun, point it at someone and pull the trigger, that it is not going to fire a projectile and kill someone," she said.

She added, "An actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor".

"That is what is so important. We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law."

Gordon wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:24pm: I suspect he will get off. It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well. Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position. What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ? The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was. The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident. I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts. Nope. The ultimate responsibility remains with the person who points the gun at another human. That's Baldwin An actor does not get a free pass' Other actors – including "A-list" celebrities – consulted by prosecutors said they "always check their guns or have someone check it in front of them," Carmack-Altwies told CNN shortly after announcing her intention to file involuntary manslaughter charges. "Every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they're going to handle that gun, point it at someone and pull the trigger, that it is not going to fire a projectile and kill someone," she said. She added, "An actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor". "That is what is so important. We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law."

There is nothing to say that an actor knows anything about guns. It is possible that he does not even know how to check a gun or how to know it is loaded or anything else. I don't see it as being as simple as that. The reality is that there is a person onthe payroll employed specifically to make sure the gun is safe. While I agree that there is a level of responsibility it isn't as black and white as you suggest.


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We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law.

Yes but was that their position or the result they wanted before investigating?

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:22am:

Well... this is yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by people posting TOTALLY off-topic drivel, consisting entirely of childish, puerile personal attacks on each other. People... please give it up, and get this thread back on track.       8-)

STFU fence sitter - I bet you're a real fairweather friend type.  ::)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 7:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:24pm: I suspect he will get off. It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well. Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position. What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ? The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was. The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident. I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts. Nope. The ultimate responsibility remains with the person who points the gun at another human. That's Baldwin An actor does not get a free pass' Other actors – including "A-list" celebrities – consulted by prosecutors said they "always check their guns or have someone check it in front of them," Carmack-Altwies told CNN shortly after announcing her intention to file involuntary manslaughter charges. "Every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they're going to handle that gun, point it at someone and pull the trigger, that it is not going to fire a projectile and kill someone," she said. She added, "An actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor". "That is what is so important. We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law." There is nothing to say that an actor knows anything about guns. It is possible that he does not even know how to check a gun or how to know it is loaded or anything else. I don't see it as being as simple as that. The reality is that there is a person onthe payroll employed specifically to make sure the gun is safe. While I agree that there is a level of responsibility it isn't as black and white as you suggest. Quote: We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law. Yes but was that their position or the result they wanted before investigating?

What a typical excuse making leftoid bunch of bullshyte.

Quit while you're a head .... a dickhead.(I borrowed that from Philperth ;D)

Gnads wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 7:28pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 7:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:24pm: I suspect he will get off. It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well. Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position. What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ? The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was. The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident. I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts. Nope. The ultimate responsibility remains with the person who points the gun at another human. That's Baldwin An actor does not get a free pass' Other actors – including "A-list" celebrities – consulted by prosecutors said they "always check their guns or have someone check it in front of them," Carmack-Altwies told CNN shortly after announcing her intention to file involuntary manslaughter charges. "Every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they're going to handle that gun, point it at someone and pull the trigger, that it is not going to fire a projectile and kill someone," she said. She added, "An actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor". "That is what is so important. We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law." There is nothing to say that an actor knows anything about guns. It is possible that he does not even know how to check a gun or how to know it is loaded or anything else. I don't see it as being as simple as that. The reality is that there is a person onthe payroll employed specifically to make sure the gun is safe. While I agree that there is a level of responsibility it isn't as black and white as you suggest. Quote: We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law. Yes but was that their position or the result they wanted before investigating? What a typical excuse making leftoid bunch of bullshyte. Quit while you're a head .... a dickhead.(I borrowed that from Philperth ;D)

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a dickhead.(I borrowed that from Philperth)

You wear the title very well, you should be proud.

Gnads wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:39pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:22am: Well... this is yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by people posting TOTALLY off-topic drivel, consisting entirely of childish, puerile personal attacks on each other. People... please give it up, and get this thread back on track.       8-) STFU fence sitter - I bet you're a real fairweather friend type.  ::)

Well if this isn't the most childish thing i've seen on this forum, it's a contender for the title.

Were you counting on Geoff being part of your posse, Gonads?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 7:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:24pm: I suspect he will get off. It looks like he is charged as an actor and as a producer. If a Jury is involved they are going for multiple choice like saying we don't know you work it out for us. Likely to not go down well. Also they are underplaying how the bullet got on the set, how it got in the gun and where it came from more of less saying it isn't relevant. I feel it is unlikely a judge or Jury will agree with that position. What if the defence were to raise the proposition that the bullet may have been introduced by some unknown person with malicious intent ? The fact remains that the prosecution do not know where the bullet came from or how it got into the gun or what the intent was. The argument could be made that the high profile person was the only person the prosecution had looked at from the start and there was no real attempt to look past their pre set view and to actually properly investigate the incident. I don't necessarily agree with this but it looks like the prosecution may have left their case somewhat open to doubt on a number of fronts. Nope. The ultimate responsibility remains with the person who points the gun at another human. That's Baldwin An actor does not get a free pass' Other actors – including "A-list" celebrities – consulted by prosecutors said they "always check their guns or have someone check it in front of them," Carmack-Altwies told CNN shortly after announcing her intention to file involuntary manslaughter charges. "Every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they're going to handle that gun, point it at someone and pull the trigger, that it is not going to fire a projectile and kill someone," she said. She added, "An actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor". "That is what is so important. We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law." There is nothing to say that an actor knows anything about guns. It is possible that he does not even know how to check a gun or how to know it is loaded or anything else. I don't see it as being as simple as that. The reality is that there is a person onthe payroll employed specifically to make sure the gun is safe. While I agree that there is a level of responsibility it isn't as black and white as you suggest. Quote: We are saying here in New Mexico, that everyone is equal under the law. Yes but was that their position or the result they wanted before investigating?

or have someone check it in front of them

Baldwin is a raving Leftie and is very anti-gun but he glorifies guns with his movies - the hypocrite - and had he been pro-gun he would have lessons and experience - like every experienced shooter has.

But according to him - the rules don't apply.

He is going to the slammer and good job

Boris wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 6:17am:

Baldwin is a raving Leftie and is very anti-gun but he glorifies guns with his movies - the hypocrite - and had he been pro-gun he would have lessons and experience - like every experienced shooter has. But according to him - the rules don't apply. He is going to the slammer and good job

Well said.

mothra wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 7:39pm: AusGeoff wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:22am: Well... this is yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by people posting TOTALLY off-topic drivel, consisting entirely of childish, puerile personal attacks on each other. People... please give it up, and get this thread back on track.       8-) STFU fence sitter - I bet you're a real fairweather friend type.  ::) Well if this isn't the most childish thing i've seen on this forum, it's a contender for the title. Were you counting on Geoff being part of your posse, Gonads?

No ... far from it you twat. ::)

I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:16am:

I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account.

You'ld think that person is most responsible for guns being 'safe'.

I bet Baldwin ball-sacked the young female armourer and then ditched her like a mega-star does.  ;)

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:16am:

I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account.

Why has nobody mentioned the person who loaded the gun with live ammunition or brought live ammunition matching a gun used as a prop to a movie set?

As far as I can tell this hasn't been investigated, they do not even know for sure that it was not done deliberately. Seems that they have laid charges but only have half the story.

Poor Alec. No alcohol in prison.  ;D

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 8:00pm:

Well - I suppose there is opportunity for that.... but the armourer is directly responsible... who TF brings live ammo onto a film set?

It was in New Mexico, wasn't it?

They have some of the weakest gun laws in the country.

I'm guessing just about everybody on set had a gun either in their car, caravan, or back pocket.

This is the USA we're talking about here, remember?

"New Mexico does not have purchase permits, gun registration, or gun-owner licensing. There are no limits on magazine capacity or weapon types. There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are legal. Concealed weapon licenses are shall issue, no license is required to openly carry a firearm."

I have been around Horses and Firearms all my life since I was a boy.

The Gun is always loaded and the Horse always kicks.

If a gun goes off when in your hands - it is on you - end of story.

Baldwin is a Lefty wanker who is anti-gun but glorifies guns in his movies.

That is absolute hypocrisy but he will be sent to the slammer for this - for no other reason that his is a Dick

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:25am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 9:16am: I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account. Why has nobody mentioned the person who loaded the gun with live ammunition or brought live ammunition matching a gun used as a prop to a movie set? As far as I can tell this hasn't been investigated, they do not even know for sure that it was not done deliberately. Seems that they have laid charges but only have half the story.

Really? That was the "amourer" .... who has been mentioned several times & who along with Baldwin has been charged with manslaughter.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:00pm: Well - I suppose there is opportunity for that.... but the armourer is directly responsible... who TF brings live ammo onto a film set? It was in New Mexico, wasn't it? They have some of the weakest gun laws in the country. I'm guessing just about everybody on set had a gun either in their car, caravan, or back pocket. This is the USA we're talking about here, remember? "New Mexico does not have purchase permits, gun registration, or gun-owner licensing. There are no limits on magazine capacity or weapon types. There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are legal. Concealed weapon licenses are shall issue, no license is required to openly carry a firearm."

The Entertainment Industry is immune to American gun laws as well as those of many other Countries. What ever gun laws are imposed on the locals do not apply to movie makers. If it did revenue to the State from the film industry would be lost.

It is a matter of record that actors are trained to be familiar with the props they use, Baldwin is too good to attend. He was too experienced to bother, in his egotistical opinion. His recklessness as well as his bullying caused death and injury that day. After all his last words to her when asked for one more take, "I should just fu__ing shoot you" and surprise he did. That is reckless and even if the firearm was loaded with a blank the wad could have caused injury to anyone in front of the muzzle. He intended to frighten and intimidate the woman he killed, he just never meant to really kill her which is negligence and should earn him a lengthy stay in Prison! But in todays double standard America there are "rules for thee but not for me"! I'm sure he will be made into a victim by the courts.

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 11:25am: Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 9:16am: I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account. Why has nobody mentioned the person who loaded the gun with live ammunition or brought live ammunition matching a gun used as a prop to a movie set? As far as I can tell this hasn't been investigated, they do not even know for sure that it was not done deliberately. Seems that they have laid charges but only have half the story. Really? That was the "amourer" .... who has been mentioned several times & who along with Baldwin has been charged with manslaughter.

NUP, not what they are saying. The Armourer loaded the gun from a box of blanks. They don't know who put live rounds in the box of blanks. This person hasn't been charged with anything.


Quote:

“There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labelled dummy. Hannah did take from that box which she by all accounts should have been able to rely on, that contains only dummy rounds,” said Gutierrez Reed’s lawyer Jason Bowles. “She loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only to later find out – and she had no idea – she inspected the rounds, that there was a live round. Now we don’t know, however, whether that live round came from that box. We’re assuming it did. We’re assuming somebody put the live round in that box

Dnarever wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 7:29am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 11:25am: Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 9:16am: I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account. Why has nobody mentioned the person who loaded the gun with live ammunition or brought live ammunition matching a gun used as a prop to a movie set? As far as I can tell this hasn't been investigated, they do not even know for sure that it was not done deliberately. Seems that they have laid charges but only have half the story. Really? That was the "amourer" .... who has been mentioned several times & who along with Baldwin has been charged with manslaughter. NUP, not what they are saying. The Armourer loaded the gun from a box of blanks. They don't know who put live rounds in the box of blanks. This person hasn't been charged with anything. Quote: “There was a box of dummy rounds and the box is labelled dummy. Hannah did take from that box which she by all accounts should have been able to rely on, that contains only dummy rounds,” said Gutierrez Reed’s lawyer Jason Bowles. “She loaded rounds from that box into the handgun only to later find out – and she had no idea – she inspected the rounds, that there was a live round. Now we don’t know, however, whether that live round came from that box. We’re assuming it did. We’re assuming somebody put the live round in that box

Yeah & who do you think put a live round in the box of blanks????? Who is that person?

That then becomes premeditated or conspiracy to murder.

And Gutierrez Reeds lawyer(& maybe you) had better learn the difference between DUMMY round & BLANK round....... they are not the same.

Dummy rounds go "click" - blank rounds go "bang".

Dummy rounds do not contain powder or a primer, blanks do.

A dummy round has a real bullet in it.

A blank has the brass crimped where the bullet would go.

A competent Armorer would know & should have picked the difference of a live round.

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Boris wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 8:22am:

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Hadley is as stupid as you..

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 9:16am:

I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account.

The armourer has one job. To make sure guns are safe.  Absolutely they are responsible

Baldwin had a live round in his belt - the crew was about to walk off - Baldwin was angry

The woman he shot was supporting the crew and costing Baldwin money

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

See?

John Smith wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:26am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 9:16am: I reckon the armorer should be the one held to account. The armourer has one job. To make sure guns are safe.  Absolutely they are responsible

She wasn't allowed on set with covid rules.
Alec should have allowed her to be on set.

George Clooney and others have criticised Alec for not following safety rules.

Millions of rounds have been fired in movies then comes Alec who doesn't follow safety rules and this happens. Alec needs to follow safety rules.

Take a look at the training Halle Berry and Keannu Reeves had for John Wick. Halle at the end is great i wonder where she parked it ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unp4PaMKezY

Alec was just a nasty alcoholic and bully to be in control when he could. It was his fault.

I will reiterate my opinion that Baldwin did not seem all that remorseful when he 'learned' from police interrogators that Hutchins had passed away.

You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger.
Even if it's empty, that's a cnut of a thing to do.
Speeks volumes of this losers character.
Ship him off to H division.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:06am:

You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger. Even if it's empty, that's a cnut of a thing to do. Speeks volumes of this losers character. Ship him off to H division.

True

Baldwin faced Liar

Hates guns but makes money pretending to use them - a pretender like his "Spanish" fake wife Hillary.

Anti-gun and knows nothing but pretending to use a gun he killed someone

He is off to prison

Karma

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:06am:

You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger...

Except that Baldwin is still claiming he didn't pull the trigger.

Which of course is arrant bullshit.      >:(

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:19am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 5:06am: You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger... Except that Baldwin is still claiming he didn't pull the trigger. Which of course is arrant bullshit.      >:(

Agree.
Independent firearms experts also agree.

The bloke messed up big time and he knows it.
All he is doing now is showing how dishonest he really is.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:19am: Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 5:06am: You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger... Except that Baldwin is still claiming he didn't pull the trigger. Which of course is arrant bullshit.      >:( Agree. Independent firearms experts also agree. The bloke messed up big time and he knows it. All he is doing now is showing how dishonest he really is.

Triggers can be pulled with very little pressure if set up that way, in this case the act of raising the gun could be sufficient to fire the gun unintentionally.

There seems to be a number of people with varying levels of responsibility.

However it is not possible to understand the proper assignment of where who lies without a full understanding of where the shell came from and who is responsible for that part.

It is likely a different person where the act if accidental could very from accidental to negligent but it could go further if the bullet was introduced with malicious intent. This would significantly change assignment of responsibility for everyone in the list.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:28am: AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:19am: Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 5:06am: You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger... Except that Baldwin is still claiming he didn't pull the trigger. Which of course is arrant bullshit.      >:( Agree. Independent firearms experts also agree. The bloke messed up big time and he knows it. All he is doing now is showing how dishonest he really is. Triggers can be pulled with very little pressure if set up that way, in this case the act of raising the gun could be sufficient to fire the gun unintentionally.

Irrelevant to the fact that there was a live round in the gun & it was chambered when it went off.

Baldwin lifted & pointed the gun at the woman to a sufficient height that the bullet hit her in a vital place killing her.

At close range even blanks are dangerous because of flying brass fragments & wadding.

He should not have pointed the gun at her.

In movies the appearance that people are pointing guns at others is achieved by camera angle.

Baldwin is 100% in the wrong & so is the armorer for her failing to see the live round on the set.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 7:51am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:28am: AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:19am: Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 5:06am: You aimed a gun at someone and squeezed the trigger... Except that Baldwin is still claiming he didn't pull the trigger. Which of course is arrant bullshit.      >:( Agree. Independent firearms experts also agree. The bloke messed up big time and he knows it. All he is doing now is showing how dishonest he really is. Triggers can be pulled with very little pressure if set up that way, in this case the act of raising the gun could be sufficient to fire the gun unintentionally.

I understand this.
Hasn't the weapon been sent for independent testing?
I heard three independent testing facilities.
I haven't heard any mention of a trigger modification or "hair trigger".
I wouldn't imagine a movie set is looking for accuracy, rather a heavy trigger would be more of a safety feature when the weapon is hot.


Baldwin is lying imo.

Yeah - can't see any reason for a hair trigger... they do the shooting sequence and move the bodies to the right spot for the hit later... no bullet.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 9:26am:

Yeah - can't see any reason for a hair trigger... they do the shooting sequence and move the bodies to the right spot for the hit later... no bullet.

There is no reason for it to be set up in any way for shooting - its a prop, it is how it is. Has anyone seen what Baldwins gun experience / background is like?

There is a strong likelihood that Baldwin went into shock to the extent that he is not a reliable witness, His recollection may not agree with the facts purely on medical grounds.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 10:55am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 9:26am: Yeah - can't see any reason for a hair trigger... they do the shooting sequence and move the bodies to the right spot for the hit later... no bullet. There is no reason for it to be set up in any way for shooting - its a prop, it is how it is. Has anyone seen what Baldwins gun experience / background is like? There is a strong likelihood that Baldwin went into shock to the extent that he is not a reliable witness, His recollection may not agree with the facts purely on medical grounds.

Oh FFS ... not the mental health card again.

Always bought up as an excuse by leftoids when someone makes an error with fatal results for someone else.

Poor Alec ey?

No one can be held responsible for anything. ::)

Gnads wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 10:55am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 9:26am: Yeah - can't see any reason for a hair trigger... they do the shooting sequence and move the bodies to the right spot for the hit later... no bullet. There is no reason for it to be set up in any way for shooting - its a prop, it is how it is. Has anyone seen what Baldwins gun experience / background is like? There is a strong likelihood that Baldwin went into shock to the extent that he is not a reliable witness, His recollection may not agree with the facts purely on medical grounds. Oh FFS ... not the mental health card again.

Shock isn't a mental health issue.

Shock is a critical condition brought on by the sudden drop in blood flow through the body. Shock may result from trauma, heatstroke, blood loss, an allergic reaction, severe infection, poisoning, severe burns or other causes. When a person is in shock, his or her organs aren't getting enough blood or oxygen.

Trauma is any sudden, terrible experience that disrupts your well-being and overwhelms you.

A traumatic experience can shock your system, causing you to go into a state of dissociation, where your body and mind feel disconnected and nothing feels real

Your brain resorts to this adaptive defense mechanism when it’s trying to cope with stressful or overwhelming events that it cannot prevent or escape.

Shock essentially helps reduce your awareness of your physical or emotional pain by dulling your senses, making you numb, and reducing your conscious cognizance of the event.

Alec will be a hit in C division Alkatraz doing his Trump impersonation skit, the idiotic typical Hollywood woke .....

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Alec will be a hit in C division Alkatraz doing his Trump impersonation skit, the idiotic typical Hollywood woke .....

Yes that is where the hate is coming from.

Was Alec rude to mein fuhrer

Dnarever wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 5:21pm: Alec will be a hit in C division Alkatraz doing his Trump impersonation skit, the idiotic typical Hollywood woke ..... Yes that is where the hate is coming from. Was Alec rude to mein fuhrer

Quack. The trump hate skits were coming thick and fast, no hollywood stars are doing any skits on the Dopey one even though there is plenty of material, fkkn.

C Division for the clown.

No None

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqPwTV9QXho


https://youtu.be/JysRVFOToS4

There's only a million of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45GHLVxde_w

Pretty lame and polite humour. So much so, the crowd sounded like North Koreans in fear for their lives if they laughed too loud. Looked like some backwater TV show of no importance on the first clip.