Take a small group of a Modern Industrial Society who are known for Lawlessness, Alcoholism, Violence, Rape, Murder and Mayhem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFd5grLNXD8&t=84s



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And then you put these Lawless rapist murderers in charge - The Voice -

What could go wrong?

If you want this crap - legislate it and then if it doesn't work tweak it and if it still doesn't work - abolish it.

But no - put it in the Constitution - and then Ruin Australia.

We will all have to leave and go live somewhere else - I will go to the USA.

It's either that or a civil war to take back the asylum.

Been warning yez about that for ages and some here scream Neo-Nazi for even warning about it... that's how stupid they are in reality.

Victorians already have Dan's Mini-Voice at State level - they are really going to be in the poo big time .... and look at the half-wits in office down there who support all this garbage.... no wonder the high class play is leaving Viccie ... primarily because THEY have no voice.... yet they must scream ....

If Victorians vote all those morons back in they deserve what they get... just don't bring it to the rest of us..

There are several ways the government could create a Voice without any Constitutional amendment. The only reason to insist on changing the Constitution is to ‘lock it in’ and ensure whatever the Voice becomes, it can never be undone. Regardless how bad it might turn out to be.

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Yeah, whatever, hey, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:01am:

There are several ways the government could create a Voice without any Constitutional amendment. The only reason to insist on changing the Constitution is to ‘lock it in’ and ensure whatever the Voice becomes, it can never be undone. Regardless how bad it might turn out to be.

Agree.

I can not understand how anyone could vote yes when they have absolutely no idea what they're voting yes to.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:48am:

Boris wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:01am: There are several ways the government could create a Voice without any Constitutional amendment. The only reason to insist on changing the Constitution is to ‘lock it in’ and ensure whatever the Voice becomes, it can never be undone. Regardless how bad it might turn out to be. Agree. I can not understand how anyone could vote yes when they have absolutely no idea what they're voting yes to.

They want it in the Constitution to pave the way for the recognition of Aboriginal sovereignty and therefore a treaty with sovereign Aboriginal 'First "'Nations"'.
And then those nations can have a bunfight among themselves about who welcomes who to what 'country'.

Captain Caveman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:48am:

Boris wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:01am: There are several ways the government could create a Voice without any Constitutional amendment. The only reason to insist on changing the Constitution is to ‘lock it in’ and ensure whatever the Voice becomes, it can never be undone. Regardless how bad it might turn out to be. Agree. I can not understand how anyone could vote yes when they have absolutely no idea what they're voting yes to.

Easy. Use the Labor Government and ABC-SBS to campaign the idea that a NO vote is racist. This is intended to sew guilt in the electorate.

However, what could go wrong, putting aside certain paranoid flights of fancy? The Voice could create whole knew bureaucracy based on spurious racial claims as opposed to organisational experience. We've already seen this in the % blood elite in the Voice movement.

Australians voted "Yes" to the High Court in the constitution despite there being no detail about how it was to be structured or how it was to operate.  That detail didn't come until separate legislation two years later.  Seem that politicians were once trusted, why not trust them again?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Australians voted "Yes" to the High Court in the constitution despite there being no detail about how it was to be structured or how it was to operate.  That detail didn't come until separate legislation two years later.  Seem that politicians were once trusted, why not trust them again?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Universal suffrage had only just come in - the voting public were amateurs then.... people were naive then .... now they know better than to hand power to any small group or to politicians to cultivate power on the back of any small group, or to hazard the very small protections they actually have on some pipe dream of a few belligerents who are operating in conjunction with a terrorist campaign against this country.

Boris wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:01am:

There are several ways the government could create a Voice without any Constitutional amendment. The only reason to insist on changing the Constitution is to ‘lock it in’ and ensure whatever the Voice becomes, it can never be undone. Regardless how bad it might turn out to be.

In which case it would only be overturned via civil war and a new constitution.  That is the risk Albo is running and about which I warned him pre-election.... and warned you lot too.

I once wrote a treatise on the various ways governments can be overthrown and dismissed - that is one of them.... far better for the good of the nation for governments to not court such disaster.

Now - time to start cleaning up their act and drain their own swamps before someone does it for them.

Vote 1 - Grappler Party - We ARE The People!

" Seem that politicians were once trusted, why not trust them again"

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"When Anthony Albanese first said he intended to govern like Bob Hawke, it was worth a laugh.

There was nothing in his celebrated Hard Left faction background that suggested he would or could emulate the style of Australia’s greatest post-war Labor prime minister."

"Albanese was never an economic adviser in the Hawke-Keating era. He was an electorate officer and researcher for the hard-Left Minister Tom Uren — and most of that job was just a cover for his real work as a factional organiser in Young Labor.

Uren wrote in his autobiography that giving Albanese a job raised eyebrows in the Left, with some “comrades” saying to him: “Oh, you’re putting a young Trot on your staff”. For those unfamiliar with Labor slang, “Trot” means a follower of Leon Trotsky, a Marxist revolutionary."

https://thewest.com.au/opinion/paul-murray-danger-signs-as-prime-minister-anthony-albanese-talks-like-bob-hawke-but-acts-like-gough-whitlam--c-9308129
8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Australians voted "Yes" to the High Court in the constitution despite there being no detail about how it was to be structured or how it was to operate.  That detail didn't come until separate legislation two years later.  Seem that politicians were once trusted, why not trust them again?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Stop repeating this idiotic lie, Bbwian.

My question is:-

Once we have once again tried Labor to rectify the wrongs - and they fail dismally to do so while actually adding to them - and nobody wants the return of the LNP with its disastrous government style..... where will the voter go?

I've long said that NO party is doing the job for Australia and its people..... who is left to vote for?

No sane person really wants the Greens with their Nutty Professor style of 'issueism'.... most fear a Parliament filled with genuine Independents since they feel - not only will that not produce a workable government, but it will also, in order to create the semblance of a working government, actually form new parties over which the electorate will have, by losing its Independents, lost control AGAIN.

So who is left?  One Nation with its shallow sofa cushion leader who carries the imprint of the last person to sit on her, and who talks the talk of being One For All, but does not begin to understand how to walk the walk?

Who is left standing?

The Voice?  Are you insane?

Nope - people - and I say this most sincerely - we need a NEW party of the people, for the people, and by the people for ALL of the people and not just special interest groups* ..... and I only borrow that phrase from the US Declaration of Independence to show the guideline to a better future for our nation and its people in these darkening times... not to offer the US style of republic to you... but ONLY to provide to you the skeleton upon which you can build Nation Australia from the ruins.

Who will carry him? 


*never forget that prior to the Bolshevik Revolution, the elitist intellectuals of the Russian Communist Party deemed that The People were their own group and class - i.e. the middle and some of the upper class - and that the common folk were but cattle in the fields to be lead and disposed of at the will of the ruling elite - not a single change from the old Feudal Tsarist system at all.... but like 'feminism' and its assault upon 'the patriarchy' and all the other elitist movements in play at this time INCLUDING the alleged superiority of 'the aboriginal way' = 'aboriginalism' - there was NO intention to dissolve or remove the ruling elite - but merely to replace those in the ruling elite with their own Chosen Ones, so as to possess all of the privileges without any of the real work.

Yes - this is my own work - not some copy and paste, though sometimes I feel I am on the intercom to a ship of fools lead by Sergeant Schultz.....

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Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Gee - and I thought you were better than methra in your insults... predictable at least... surely you would not stoop to rageism, ageism, skin colourism, and misandry as well as scorn for reliable aids to a decent life...

How would you like it if someone said - "beaten-down old Black women looking for their missing kids again"?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Yet you have NEVER made any valid points about why the Voice in the Constitution is necessary and how it will make a positive difference.

For all your supposed education and cleverness, your mind only runs to yawning and witless, sub-Mothra gaucheries.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You self projecting again Bwian?

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Yet you have NEVER made any valid points about why the Voice in the Constitution is necessary and how it will make a positive difference. For all your supposed education and cleverness, your mind only runs to yawning and witless, sub-Mothra gaucheries.

It's just a fake shared id btwn Dumb and her often multi exposed friend Dumber.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 12:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Angry, old, White men looking for their zimmer frames again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Yet you have NEVER made any valid points about why the Voice in the Constitution is necessary and how it will make a positive difference. For all your supposed education and cleverness, your mind only runs to yawning and witless, sub-Mothra gaucheries. It's just a fake shared id btwn Dumb and her often multi exposed friend Dumber.

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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Mr Barnett, who early in his pre-politics career was responsible for writing surveys for the Australian Bureau of Statistics, said the double-barrelled question flagged by the Prime Minister posed a technical risk to the referendum’s success.

He said the chances of a voice being introduced in some form would be increased if the public were instead asked two questions: firstly, whether they supported an Indigenous voice; and secondly, whether that should be enshrined in the Constitution.

While he believed the Australian public would be broadly supportive of an Indigenous body that provides advice on issues affecting Aboriginal people, having that body enshrined in the Constitution could be a harder sell.

He said he supported the idea of an Indigenous voice but was “far from convinced” that it should be enshrined in the Constitution.

“I think most Australians would support a voice, but there would be great doubts about it going into the Constitution,” Mr Barnett said.

Opponents of a voice, he said, could use the constitutional element to sow doubts about the overall plan and derail the voice referendum.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawed-says-colin-barnett/news-story/706fb001eaba7df1f4a0af4eb6010dae

Indeed.

Although you do not need a referendum to set up an advisory body of Aborigines and call it the Voice.

It just shows that the Voice doesn't need to be in the constitution and insisting on putt im ng it in there is NOT about establishing it but something completely different: sovereignty and treaty.

But if you put that to a referendum - do you support the recognition of 'First Nations' sovereignty and if yes, a treaty between them and the States and the Commonwealth - it would be supported only by the lunatic fringes of the Green Left  and their media organs, the ABC and the Grauniad and Schwartz Media.

Just how many threads so you lunatics need about this?

And it's till in the preliminary stages!

So many threads. All saying the exact same thing from the exact same posters.

I'm genuinely curious as to what they get out of it. Day after day.

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:05am:

Just how many threads so you lunatics need about this? And it's till in the preliminary stages! So many threads. All saying the exact same thing from the exact same posters. I'm genuinely curious as to what they get out of it. Day after day.

Why the bloody hell do you read them and comment on them, fright bat, if it is SOOOOO boring and irrelevant to your rich, happy and interesting inner life?

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:00am:

Mr Barnett, who early in his pre-politics career was responsible for writing surveys for the Australian Bureau of Statistics, said the double-barrelled question flagged by the Prime Minister posed a technical risk to the referendum’s success. He said the chances of a voice being introduced in some form would be increased if the public were instead asked two questions: firstly, whether they supported an Indigenous voice; and secondly, whether that should be enshrined in the Constitution. While he believed the Australian public would be broadly supportive of an Indigenous body that provides advice on issues affecting Aboriginal people, having that body enshrined in the Constitution could be a harder sell. He said he supported the idea of an Indigenous voice but was “far from convinced” that it should be enshrined in the Constitution. “I think most Australians would support a voice, but there would be great doubts about it going into the Constitution,” Mr Barnett said. Opponents of a voice, he said, could use the constitutional element to sow doubts about the overall plan and derail the voice referendum. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawed-says-colin-barnett/news-story/706fb001eaba7df1f4a0af4eb6010dae Indeed. Although you do not need a referendum to set up an advisory body of Aborigines and call it the Voice. It just shows that the Voice doesn't need to be in the constitution and insisting on putt im ng it in there is NOT about establishing it but something completely different: sovereignty and treaty. But if you put that to a referendum - do you support the recognition of 'First Nations' sovereignty and if yes, a treaty between them and the States and the Commonwealth - it would be supported only by the lunatic fringes of the Green Left  and their media organs, the ABC and the Grauniad and Schwartz Media.

And ..... let's not forget the billions of dollars required to fulfil the entire process. This is money which Australia does NOT have during a global recession that's right off the back of an unresolved global pandemic!

Meanwhile the 2 (bankrupt) sectors to lose out in Labor's Budget was 1. Health and 2. Aged Care. Irresponsible idiots are currently running this country!

If you go to the NT or anywhere North or remote where these people are in large numbers - you will see that everything they touch turns to excrement

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:08am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:05am: Just how many threads so you lunatics need about this? And it's till in the preliminary stages! So many threads. All saying the exact same thing from the exact same posters. I'm genuinely curious as to what they get out of it. Day after day. Why the bloody hell do you read them and comment on them, fright bat, if it is SOOOOO boring and irrelevant to your rich, happy and interesting inner life?

I don't read them. Oh my god, did you think i did? I mean, read one, read them all.

It's the geriatric circle jerk.

I, Frank old boy, just pop up sporadically throughout the proceedings to point and giggle.

Hilariously, that sends you lot off for days. Especially Crappler. You run a close second though, old boy.

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:25am:

Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:08am: mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:05am: Just how many threads so you lunatics need about this? And it's till in the preliminary stages! So many threads. All saying the exact same thing from the exact same posters. I'm genuinely curious as to what they get out of it. Day after day. Why the bloody hell do you read them and comment on them, fright bat, if it is SOOOOO boring and irrelevant to your rich, happy and interesting inner life? I don't read them. Oh my god, did you think i did? I mean, read one, read them all. It's the geriatric circle jerk. I, Frank old boy, just pop up sporadically throughout the proceedings to point and giggle. Hilariously, that sends you lot off for days. Especially Crappler. You run a close second though, old boy.

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Methra (who's just admitted she comes online to bait and troll) is actually OLDER than Frank 😂🤣😆😂🤣😆

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:25am:

Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:08am: mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:05am: Just how many threads so you lunatics need about this? And it's till in the preliminary stages! So many threads. All saying the exact same thing from the exact same posters. I'm genuinely curious as to what they get out of it. Day after day. Why the bloody hell do you read them and comment on them, fright bat, if it is SOOOOO boring and irrelevant to your rich, happy and interesting inner life? I don't read them. Oh my god, did you think i did?

So you ard both stupid and act in bad faith. Nothing new.

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty, Larry...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:00am:

Mr Barnett, who early in his pre-politics career was responsible for writing surveys for the Australian Bureau of Statistics, said the double-barrelled question flagged by the Prime Minister posed a technical risk to the referendum’s success. He said the chances of a voice being introduced in some form would be increased if the public were instead asked two questions: firstly, whether they supported an Indigenous voice; and secondly, whether that should be enshrined in the Constitution. While he believed the Australian public would be broadly supportive of an Indigenous body that provides advice on issues affecting Aboriginal people, having that body enshrined in the Constitution could be a harder sell. He said he supported the idea of an Indigenous voice but was “far from convinced” that it should be enshrined in the Constitution. “I think most Australians would support a voice, but there would be great doubts about it going into the Constitution,” Mr Barnett said. Opponents of a voice, he said, could use the constitutional element to sow doubts about the overall plan and derail the voice referendum. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawed-says-colin-barnett/news-story/706fb001eaba7df1f4a0af4eb6010dae Indeed. Although you do not need a referendum to set up an advisory body of Aborigines and call it the Voice. It just shows that the Voice doesn't need to be in the constitution and insisting on putt im ng it in there is NOT about establishing it but something completely different: sovereignty and treaty. But if you put that to a referendum - do you support the recognition of 'First Nations' sovereignty and if yes, a treaty between them and the States and the Commonwealth - it would be supported only by the lunatic fringes of the Green Left  and their media organs, the ABC and the Grauniad and Schwartz Media.

The republic referendum of 1999 had a similarly structured question. Rather than simply asking voters if they supported Australia becoming a republic, the question also asked whether the Queen and governor-general would be replaced by a president appointed by a two-thirds majority of the parliament.

The public’s rejection of that referendum has widely been seen as a response to the proposed model, rather than the concept of becoming a republic.

Mr Barnett said the single question in the form of the question that has been proposed by Mr Albanese was double-barrelled “and therefore is ambiguous”.

“If it is only one question, the whole voice issue could be defeated,” he said.

“If people are unsure, then they are likely to vote no. That is the history.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-question-flawed-says-colin-barnett/news-story/706fb001eaba7df1f4a0af4eb6010dae

The inclusion of Voice in the Constitution will doom, rightly, this referendum. You do not need to change the constitution to set up the Voice.
Constitutional change is about something unstated in the referendum: sovereignty and treaty.

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Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I am not recent, cockwomble. And I am African and a Muslim, you despicable racist islamophobe.



Do you have ANY reason to support constitutional amendment? Can you articulate it?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  What a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!

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"you do not need to change the constitution to set up a voice".

So just add yet another advisory body to the vast range already in place without replacing a single 'job' or reducing any costs or reducing any duplication of 'advice', and just make it another body paid for to do essentially nothing.

As I said long ago now - Voldemort is playing this cunningly by allowing Labor to make all the mistakes and then they will be 'forced' to create this body rejected by the people via 'legislation' in the classic Neo-Fascist New Labor manner - which can instantly be overturned by a future government.

Remember The coward Howard's 'gun laws' - rejected at a referendum by the people - so they organised a neat little end run around it by linking it with 'domestic violence' with legal standards and values reminiscent of some Stalinist dictatorship - where anyone denounced is instantly guilty and instantly gulaged .... you see the modern extension of this madness with the drive for 'Brittany's Law' wherein any accused should be instantly locked up, charged and convicted and condemned - any of you there yet? ... you will be one day.... when it happens to one of your own.  Then the 'feminists' gleefully leapt on this golden opportunity to impose 'definition creep' until every single whine of any single woman no matter how stupid or insane became a tsunami against poor little women - while men were and are paying the price every day in every way for this insanity and society was increasingly brought under the control of ideologues bent on total control over everyone and everything for their own benefit.... AS USUAL ... while the actual violence within our society continued to escalate and escalate into near open warfare!

Then the Abos (and others like the poofs and now the 'trannies') got on this gravy train under their feminist mentors and off she goes... just whine and complain and do nothing to save yourself and it will all be handed to you.

Learn to say NO, you fools, before you lose your entire country and all in it to this madness.

Fight back NOW!!

Meantime ...... I TOLD YOU SO!!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  What a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 3:37pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  What a WOFTAM you are proving yourself to be, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You are smug, shifty, lying hypochrite, cockwomble. Hugely racist, a raging Christophobe,hopelessly muddled about everything,  morally base, mentally negligible. You make up for all your defects and deformities of mind and morals by being laughably narcissistic and a tediously repetitive inane fathead.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Piss off back to Denmark, it'd make everybody happy.    Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 4:20pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Piss off back to Denmark, it'd make everybody happy.    Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You are smug, shifty, lying hypochrite, cockwomble. Hugely racist, a raging Chrisophobe,hopelessly muddled about everything,  morally base, mentally negligible. You make up for all your defects and deformities of mind and morals by being laughably narcissistic and a tediously repetitive inane fathead.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:49am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Sore end has no right to vote irrespective of how recently he arrived. He's not an aussie

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty, whatever... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You still haven't given us any arguments for voting YES, Bbwian. Can you not think of any,  other than 'wacism'?

You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGNYeZzXSec&t=10s

Fmr WA Premier Colin Barnett said Voice to Parliament success “would be increased if the public were instead asked two questions: firstly, whether they supported an Indigenous voice; and secondly, whether that should be enshrined in the Constitution

Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO replies:
First 2 Questions should be, 1. What is the Voice and 2. How is it going to fix the crime, unemployment, health problems, eduction issue, etc. If they can’t answer, vote No.

We need CII - Citizen Initiated Impeachment - a pure manifestation of our sovereign rights (drawing divide onto the barbed wire and machine guns down the fire lane)... that'd slow 'em down a bit on their high horses.

Let's call it C.2 ... rolls off the tongue...

Tears from bigots taste great  8-)

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Tears from bigots taste great  8-)

👇 Here's a bigot. Oh and he's your multi troll buddy too. 😐

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John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Tears from bigots taste great  8-)

Then you should stop licking your chops at the thought of having a shot at someone else ... that way you won't taste your freely flowing tears.

John Smith wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Tears from bigots taste great  8-)

How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them?

Knickers. In. A. Twist.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 1:07am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) Then you should stop licking your chops at the thought of having a shot at someone else ... that way you won't taste your freely flowing tears.

You're tears are especially good. The only problem is you don't stop crying so I'm a little full

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist.

How many threads have started in Aboriginal issues, frightbat? Many.
Do you have ANYTHING to say in support of the Voice? Against?

If neither - what the HELL are you doing here? You have no interest in hunting & fishing or defence or tools etc so you dont visit and kibbitz uselessly on those threads. If you have nothing to say either for or against the Voice then what the **** are you kibbitzing here for??
Same question to Fathead Thick As.


Good morning.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:31am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. How many threads have started in Aboriginal issues, frightbat? Many. Do you have ANYTHING to say in support of the Voice? Against? If neither - what the HELL are you doing here? You have no interest in hunting & fishing or defence or tools etc so you dont visit and kibbitz uselessly on those threads. If you have nothing to say either for or against the Voice then what the **** are you kibbitzing here for?? Same question to Fathead Thick As. Good morning.

That'd be because the details aren't out yet, old boy.

See how i'm reserving my hysteria?

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:31am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. How many threads have started in Aboriginal issues, frightbat? Many. Do you have ANYTHING to say in support of the Voice? Against? If neither - what the HELL are you doing here? You have no interest in hunting & fishing or defence or tools etc so you dont visit and kibbitz uselessly on those threads. If you have nothing to say either for or against the Voice then what the **** are you kibbitzing here for?? Same question to Fathead Thick As. Good morning. That'd be because the details aren't out yet, old boy. See how i'm reserving my hysteria?

The proposed wording IS out already.  There will be NO MORE details  added to the amendment. Once it's in the constitution everything around it will be justiciable by the High Court and current debates and promises will be completely irrelevant.

There are already CONFLICTING expert interpretations of what the amendment would open up. THAT is what is debated on these threads, although there are no intelligent contributions from anyone who would vote yes, so debate is too strong.

There are lots of valid arguments brought up against it but I have not seen any reasoned arguments for Yes on any of these threads. Have you?

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist.

That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H.

Gnads wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:06am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H.

No. They're not,

At least not ideally.

But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage.

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage.

Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen?

Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started?

People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts.

But of course your such a perfect individual ::)

And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion?

Pull your head in.

Gnads wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in.

Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing.

Nothing other than dementia that is.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:49am: Go home to Denmark, Soren.  We would all be happier if you did that.  Recent immigrants shouldn't have the right to vote in any Australian election/referenda.Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Dear oh dear oh dear ..... I always THOUGHT you were a closet racist Bwian. Now I KNOW you are!

Where is our closet racist Bwian hiding these days?

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:33am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in. Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing. Nothing other than dementia that is.

Aborigines are lawless and rape and murder women and children in large numbers and until recently they ate babies and children.

They are violent and dangerous savages - I have seen it - you have not seen this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFd5grLNXD8&t=133s

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:33am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in. Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing. Nothing other than dementia that is.

Piss off Polly PrissyPants.

Who wants to live with this violence?

The people of the NT don't.

It is not rare but commonplace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFd5grLNXD8&t=133s

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:33am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in. Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing. Nothing other than dementia that is.

This is why IT is called Methra. IT comes online fully stoned and "sees" stuff that's not there. 😂🤣😆

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:33am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in. Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing. Nothing other than dementia that is.

Nor why you haven't said anything remotely relevant to the merits or otherwise of their topic, constitutional change.
Dementia? No. Bbwianesque stupidity and bad faith. 

So say something relevant to constitutional change rather than throw your underwear all over these topics, day in day out.

Frank wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:33am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:30am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:12am: Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:06am: mothra wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm: Tears from bigots taste great  8-) How many threads are we up to now? With how many posts per day in them? Knickers. In. A. Twist. That's what forums are for - F. I. T. H. No. They're not, At least not ideally. But you go on clinging to there being a need for a dozen threads on the same topic. I've sincere suspicion that it's the best you lot can manage. Why don't you ask yourself why that may happen? Do you go through every forum & make sure a topic that you have a notion to post on hasn't already been started? People think of something to speak to & start a new post .... titles can be vague ... and usually people don't go looking for similar posts. But of course your such a perfect individual ::) And who are you to say 1 post on a subject/topic once it reaches a conclusion has to be the end of any further discussion? Pull your head in. Absolutely none of that explains why there are a dozen threads on the Voice that are all saying exactly the same thing. Nothing other than dementia that is. Nor why you haven't said anything remotely relevant to the merits or otherwise of their topic, constitutional change. Dementia? No. Bbwianesque stupidity and bad faith.  So say something relevant to constitutional change rather than throw your underwear all over these topics, day in day out.

That's just the Mothra Superior doing 'her' smart and humane versus hateful and toxic routine.... nobody really listens to 'her' ... oh, look at me - I'm being smart and humane..... but not discussing the actual topic.... just slagging at others as usual, demonstrating her ageism, sexism and racism but that's not hateful and toxic ....  bit of a Lefty there....  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Stoopid is as stoopid does, sah!

Albo explains on the 7.30 Report.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-09/anthony-albanese-says-flood-affected-communities/101839024

Why the Voice has to be in the constitution? Nobody knows or says.  The constitutional change is about recognising Aboriginal sovereignty which then will lead to z treaty.  The Voice has zero constitutional significance or ability to bring practical changes. It is about co-sovereignty.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk. tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk. tsk...   ::) ::)

Why haven't you said anything remotely relevant to the merits or otherwise of this topic, constitutional change.

Dementia? No. Bbwianesque stupidity and bad faith.

So say something relevant to constitutional change rather than throw your underwear all over these topics, day in day out.

Cultural cringe is alive and lives in The Lodge.

PM Anthony Albanese:  "Not voting for a Voice to Parliament would send a message overseas of a nation divided."

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 9:07pm:

Cultural cringe is alive and lives in The Lodge. PM Anthony Albanese:  "Not voting for a Voice to Parliament would send a message overseas of a nation divided."

**falls about laughing**

What in god's name is he doing in politics?  This is a democracy - of course we are a nation divided - just not YET against itself, but within the parameters of our civilised approach to power in the land.

Told yez all politicians are at heart petty fascists ... I TOLD YOU SO!!

How then, is a country that votes AGAINST some silly voice NOT undivided since the majority have said one way and not the other; whereas one that votes to separate two blocs of people into two separate .... blocs ... is NOT divided and dividing itself?

A house divided against itself cannot stand.... a house that deliberately divides against itself is clearly unworthy and unstable .... Albo needs to stay off that happy juice... I suspect life is too easy for him and he is totally out of touch....

Vote NO to retain sanity!  A fair go for 3 is not a fair go for ninety-seven.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk. tsk...   ::) ::)

Bbwian Schultz in his army days. He knows nuffin'.
Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo3DLOPWYAAnmvO?.jpg

The IPA report exposes the Mauri voice in NZ as a disaster
Their voice is now controlling the whole parliament and has a hand in every decision made by the government, this is exactly the model Albo wants for his ‘voice’, Vote NO to avoid ending up in the same mess as NZ

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/new-zealands-failed-experiment-highlights-voice-to-parliament-dangers

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

On 6 February 2020, Anthony Albanese posted on Twitter: “We can learn a lot from our mates across the ditch about reconciliation with First Nations people. New Zealand has led the way. It’s time for Australia to follow. It’s time to support the Uluru Statement from the Heart.”

“The Prime Minister has long known the consequences of the New Zealand experiment, yet he has not been up front with Australians on the effect the proposed Voice to Parliament will have on their lives and our nation,” said Mr Storey.

“The Waitangi Tribunal and race-based co-governance is now a deeply entrenched part of New Zealand’s legal and political architecture, which has been weaponised by activists at the expense of New Zealanders.”

This report builds on the landmark report released by the IPA in December 2022, which assessed New Zealand’s Waitangi Tribunal and Australia’s history of judicial activism to reveal how the history of race-based constitutional change in New Zealand would shape Australia’s future.

“This analysis adds to the large and growing body of domestic and international evidence that shows the proposed Voice to Parliament will be more divisive than its proponents, including the Federal Government, are willing to admit,” said Mr Storey.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

“The Waitangi Tribunal and race-based co-governance is now a deeply entrenched part of New Zealand’s legal and political architecture, which has been weaponised by activists at the expense of New Zealanders.”

This report builds on the landmark report released by the IPA in December 2022, which assessed New Zealand’s Waitangi Tribunal and Australia’s history of judicial activism to reveal how the history of race-based constitutional change in New Zealand would shape Australia’s future.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 2:11pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7B0Y9elms

https://twitter.com/DavidTruman3/status/1625683826826698758/photo/1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Well - nothing that hasn't gone wrong already......................

https://38.media.tumblr.com/bb96b30d3b91aef53833657d50ad6ee2/tumblr_nntncbWqJd1qg39ewo1_500.gif

Note:-  Ryan Gosling is not dead... it's a hoax... sort of an allegory for the voice you know...

Anyway - back to the Waitangi Tribunal and how it changed....

Very interesting..........

The Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 established a tribunal which was to adjudicate
claims, made by "any Maori", that acts or omissions of the Crown arising after the
enactment of the legislation were contrary to "the principles" - not defined - of the
Treaty of W ~ i t a n g i .

The Tribunal, as envisaged in the original legislation, bore no
resemblance to a court of record; it had powers of recommendation only and it
could not issue judgments or decisions but only prepare reports addressed to the
Minister of Maori Affairs.

The Tribunal's 'obscure' existence changed fairly dramatically in 1983 when it
released its first major report, Motunui.16 The hearing of this claim was innovative
in a number of ways, but in particular due to the fact that it was heard on a marae.

In 1985 the parent Act was substantially amended, backdating the Tribunal's
powers of inquiry to acts and omissions of the Crown arising since 1840.The
Tribunal was substantially enlarged and was empowered to commission research
reports and appoint counsel to represent ~laimants.1~In 1987 it released two
important reports on the Orakei20 and Waiheke Island claims, which were then
succeeded in the following year by its arguably even more important and
undoubtedly controversial Muriwhenua Fishing Report. Insofar as the Tribunal
can be said to have had a golden age, when it was probably the dominant
institution involved in the complex processes of resolving Maori claims and
grievances, it would have been in the years between the release of the Manukau
Report in 1985 and the Muriwhenua Fishing Report in 1988. Since that time,
however, the picture has become somewhat more confused and the role of the
Tribunal more problematic.

The Tribunal's purely recommendatory role has now been modified in a number
of contexts in that it has been given some binding determinative powers. These
binding powers have developed in an ad hoc manner as ingredients of broader
negotiated settlements, and do not in any way reflect any carefully determined
policy decision to broaden the Tribunal's powers or to convert it into a more
judicialised institution.

The first of these arrangements came in 1988, when
legislation was enacted to give effect to a settlement negotiated between the Crown
and Maori negotiators relating to Crown land transferred to state-owned enterprises
(SOEs), that is, state-owned commercial organ is at ion^.^' The Tribunal was given
a binding power to order the 'resumption' of such land in appropriate
circumstances, even where it had been on-sold to third parties.

A subsequentnationwide negotiated settlement, this time relating to the sale of timber-cutting
rights in Crown-owned plantation forests, led to further binding powers being
conferred on the Tribunal by statute in 1989.23 Lastly, in 1990, further binding
powers were conferred on the Tribunal regarding the assets of the state-owned
railway system, vested by statute into a company akin to a state-owned
enterprise.24 These binding powers have simply been grafted on to the Tribunal's
existing structure without changing the Tribunal's essential nature as a permanent
commission of inquiry. No right of appeal exists, for instance, even in those
circumstances where the Tribunal might be exercising its binding, as opposed to its
ordinary recommendatory, powers. "





That'll do for now - can't ask too much of your double amoeba brains ...