If you don't believe me watch this :D LOL

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/123/735/796/playable/ed36663910fe3941.mp4

No Brett I got what you got and it wasn't any worse than what you got and I never had one shot which means your three shots of junk vaccine did absolutely nothing and you probably know that by now. You probably also know about all of the countless vaccine injuries and deaths because of this same junk you forced onto others but have been told to say nothing by the lawyers and your comrades :(

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Thanks Nail,
yes - they all lied.

Check it out.

https://t.me/copsforcovidtruth/2613


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The 4 jab awakening. “So glad to hear @drkerrynphelps speak her truth. Anyone who knows me will understand I'm the furthest thing from being an antivaxer. I can only relate my own story. To avoid catching Covid over the Xmas break I opted for a 4th vax, the new Moderna. Within 6hrs I had heart palpitations & breathlessness which continued for 2 days. I returned to the clinic for ECG & bloods. The palpitations continued for 7 more days. I was fitted with a 24hr holster monitor. It showed I had an ectopic beat. Nothing serious explained my Dr. Except I couldn't even walk up a set of stairs without becoming breathless let alone train. To add injury to insult, after an Xmas party at the local pub I caught Covid, 3 weeks after the 4th vax. Not only did it offer me no protection to Covid, when it should have been at its highest level of protection, I'm still fighting the ongoing effects to my heart. This is just my personal experience, no hearsay, no urban myths, no agenda.”

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

If you don't believe me watch this :D LOL https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/123/735/796/playable/ed36663910fe3941.mp4

I gather this is one of the few platforms left that will play host to ANYTHING blocked by the majors on the grounds of being untrue, misleading and dangerous material

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 12:31pm: If you don't believe me watch this :D LOL https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/123/735/796/playable/ed36663910fe3941.mp4 I gather this is one of the few platforms left that will play host to ANYTHING blocked by the majors on the grounds of being untrue, misleading and dangerous material

What do you mean by 'ANYTHING' ?? Did you actually watch it ??

So... Lastnail didn't get vaccinated, and was infected with COVID, and may
well suffer side effects—even some years down the track—or fall victim again
to more virulent variants.

Me and my partner are fully vaccinated, and after nearly three years, neither
of us has contracted COVID and are perfectly healthy.

As an extreme opponent of vaccination, it's actually quite ironic that Lastnail
picked up the bug that vaccines protect one against.

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:28am:

So... Lastnail didn't get vaccinated, and was infected with COVID, and may well suffer side effects—even some years down the track—or fall victim again to more virulent variants. Me and my partner are fully vaccinated, and after nearly three years, neither of us has contracted COVID and are perfectly healthy. As an extreme opponent of vaccination, it's actually quite ironic that Lastnail picked up the bug that vaccines protect one against.

So did he say he had contracted Covid?

I must have missed that!

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:28am:

So... Lastnail didn't get vaccinated, and was infected with COVID, and may well suffer side effects—even some years down the track—or fall victim again to more virulent variants. Me and my partner are fully vaccinated, and after nearly three years, neither of us has contracted COVID and are perfectly healthy. As an extreme opponent of vaccination, it's actually quite ironic that Lastnail picked up the bug that vaccines protect one against.

Did you watch the video f.ckarse ?? Contradicts everything you just said. Bobby had the jabs too and got the plague. You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown.

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:34am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 9:28am: So... Lastnail didn't get vaccinated, and was infected with COVID, and may well suffer side effects—even some years down the track—or fall victim again to more virulent variants. Me and my partner are fully vaccinated, and after nearly three years, neither of us has contracted COVID and are perfectly healthy. As an extreme opponent of vaccination, it's actually quite ironic that Lastnail picked up the bug that vaccines protect one against. So did he say he had contracted Covid? I must have missed that!

yeh I got it and got over it because that is what an innate immune system does unlike you lot who will get it many many times again.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

yeah I got it and got over it because that is what an innate immune system does unlike you lot who will get it many many times again.

LOL... so says a bloke who refused to be vaccinated and got infected.

Care to tell us exactly why those of us who're vaccinated will get infected
"many many times again"?   And there's no "again" about it—we haven't
been infected.

So... some facts and figures please.

Or is this just more of your inevitable hot air?

My elderly aunt and I also haven't been infected with Covid yet (as far as we know). We've had our 4 vaccinations (2 AstraZeneca and 2 Pfizer for both of us.)

Reminds of the poll one of the Eastern States Murdoch rags ran a week or two back.

They wanted to know how many times you'd had Covid except the only options were 1, 2 or 3 (might have gone up to 4 or even 5, can't remember).

There was no "0" option... they copped a roasting on Twitter over that one.

Carl D wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:10am:

My elderly aunt and I also haven't been infected with Covid yet (as far as we know). We've had our 4 vaccinations (2 AstraZeneca and 2 Pfizer for both of us.) Reminds of the poll one of the Eastern States Murdoch rags ran a week or two back. They wanted to know how many times you'd had Covid except the only options were 1, 2 or 3 (might have gone up to 4 or even 5, can't remember). There was no "0" option... they copped a roasting on Twitter over that one.

You and your aunty took it for nothing carl just like the pollies in that video and yet you still want to inject more of the sh.t into everyone.

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Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:07am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 30th, 2022 at 7:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 12:31pm: If you don't believe me watch this :D LOL https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/123/735/796/playable/ed36663910fe3941.mp4 I gather this is one of the few platforms left that will play host to ANYTHING blocked by the majors on the grounds of being untrue, misleading and dangerous material What do you mean by 'ANYTHING' ?? Did you actually watch it ??

Of COURSE not !

Along with Bitcute and Telegram, they will post ANYTHING blocked by major platforms - on the basis of material being incorrect, unproven, lies and dangerous


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hey lied and said the vaccine would protect us

The Vaccine along with lockdown distancing and masks saver over 3 million lives.

I wouldn't mind more lies if as effective as the vaccine.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:16am:

Carl D wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 10:10am: My elderly aunt and I also haven't been infected with Covid yet (as far as we know). We've had our 4 vaccinations (2 AstraZeneca and 2 Pfizer for both of us.) Reminds of the poll one of the Eastern States Murdoch rags ran a week or two back. They wanted to know how many times you'd had Covid except the only options were 1, 2 or 3 (might have gone up to 4 or even 5, can't remember). There was no "0" option... they copped a roasting on Twitter over that one. You and your aunty took it for nothing carl just like the pollies in that video and yet you still want to inject more of the sh.t into everyone.

I hope she makes it to 100.

meh,

the vaccine didnt end the pandemic

far from it

and every state premier said

"this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms"

well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 6:27pm:

meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong.

Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 6:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference.

Did it?
the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid -
didn't stop me getting sick -
after 5 days I'm still testing positive.
Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else.

Would I have been worse off without any vaxes?
I don't know.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

They lied and said the vaccine would protect us

As it HAS !

NO vaccine has ever claimed 100% efficacy against ANYTHING

But they DID ensure a lesser rate of severity, a lower rate of hospitalisation

And a much LOWER death toll
In FACT, there was one day, just before Christmas - there was not ONE death

All made POSSIBLE with 95% - at least - of Australians double vaccinated

These vaccines are doing what many vaccines have done before them,
in virtually eliminating measles, chicken pox. mumps and diphtheria

And, YES, we had anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists back then.

If conspiracy theorists had to name their greatest gift,
it would be the INTERNET


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Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 7:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference. Did it? the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid - didn't stop me getting sick - after 5 days I'm still testing positive. Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else. Would I have been worse off without any vaxes? I don't know.

You could have been dead.  The stats say that not being vaxed can lead to that result.

I am pleased that you are still there.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 7:03pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference. Did it? the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid - didn't stop me getting sick - after 5 days I'm still testing positive. Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else. Would I have been worse off without any vaxes? I don't know. You could have been dead.  The stats say that not being vaxed can lead to that result. I am pleased that you are still there.

So the 3 jabs saved my life?

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 8:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 12:31pm: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us As it HAS ! NO vaccine has ever claimed 100% efficacy against ANYTHING But they DID ensure a lesser rate of severity, a lower rate of hospitalisation And a much LOWER death toll In FACT, there was one day, just before Christmas - there was not ONE death All made POSSIBLE with 95% - at least - of Australians double vaccinated These vaccines are doing what many vaccines have done before them, in virtually eliminating measles, chicken pox. mumps and diphtheria And, YES, we had anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists back then. If conspiracy theorists had to name their greatest gift, it would be the INTERNET .

That's not what they were saying in that video. Watch the video again and stop making sh.t up. :(

Nail,

Quote:

That's not what they were saying in that video. Watch the video again and stop making sh.t up.

That's right -
they said -

if you take the jab you're not gunna get Covid

here:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/123/735/796/playable/ed36663910fe3941.mp4

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 10:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 7:03pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference. Did it? the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid - didn't stop me getting sick - after 5 days I'm still testing positive. Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else. Would I have been worse off without any vaxes? I don't know. You could have been dead.  The stats say that not being vaxed can lead to that result. I am pleased that you are still there. So the 3 jabs saved my life?

I didn't have one jab and I completely recovered from it. Now the dickwads either want to argue I never got the convid in the first place OR that I if I did have the convid I am now  severely medically compromised. The idiots are in denial of their own immune system that's how f.cked up they are.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:53pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 8:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 12:31pm: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us As it HAS ! NO vaccine has ever claimed 100% efficacy against ANYTHING But they DID ensure a lesser rate of severity, a lower rate of hospitalisation And a much LOWER death toll In FACT, there was one day, just before Christmas - there was not ONE death All made POSSIBLE with 95% - at least - of Australians double vaccinated These vaccines are doing what many vaccines have done before them, in virtually eliminating measles, chicken pox. mumps and diphtheria And, YES, we had anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists back then. If conspiracy theorists had to name their greatest gift, it would be the INTERNET . That's not what they were saying ...

Oh yes they were !


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aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 6:27pm:

the vaccine didnt end the pandemic

It did NOT
Just the mass hospitalisations and mass DEATHS

I'm not looking it up AGAIN
But for the first time in YEARS, on a day or two before Christmas, Australia had ZERO COVID DEATHS.


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buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 11:29am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 10:53pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 8:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 29th, 2022 at 12:31pm: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us As it HAS ! NO vaccine has ever claimed 100% efficacy against ANYTHING But they DID ensure a lesser rate of severity, a lower rate of hospitalisation And a much LOWER death toll In FACT, there was one day, just before Christmas - there was not ONE death All made POSSIBLE with 95% - at least - of Australians double vaccinated These vaccines are doing what many vaccines have done before them, in virtually eliminating measles, chicken pox. mumps and diphtheria And, YES, we had anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists back then. If conspiracy theorists had to name their greatest gift, it would be the INTERNET . That's not what they were saying ... Oh yes they were ! .

Watch the video fool. That's exactly what they were saying. No ifs or buts !! You take the vax you don't get the convid !!

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 6:27pm:

the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong.

No, it didn't.

That was called "hopium".

And yes - they were wrong.

And no - they will never admit it.

Surely I don't need to explain the reasons (once again) why they won't admit it, do I?

Carl D wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. No, it didn't. That was called "hopium". And yes - they were wrong. And no - they will never admit it. Surely I don't need to explain the reasons (once again) why they won't admit it, do I?

The same reason you don't admit liability when you are in a car accident ;)

The one thing the anti-vaxxers can't seem to comprehend is that the
SARS-CoV-2 was a totally unexpected, and unplanned for, eventuality
that struck the planet like no virus since the H1N1 influenza A virus
of 100 years ago.

Medical researchers, virologists, epidemiologists and governments
were forced to respond as quickly as was practicable in order to
develop effective vaccines—but without the luxury of time, and only
limited foreknowledge. 

As a result of the necessary haste in assessing the properties, virulence
and transmissibility and transmission of the new virus, it was inevitable
that occasionally erroneous assumptions would be made.  However, the
highly qualified medical professionals who made those assumptions in
the early days were commenting to the best of their abilities at the time,
and within the bounds of their expectations as their research developed
more comprehensively.

For the current crop of anti-vaxxers, COVID deniers, and conspiracy
theorists to now, in hindsight, throw those incorrect assumptions back
into the faces of those researchers is unfair, petty and unjustified.  And
to make the claim that they were deliberately lying is disgraceful, and
shows just how low these moronic naysayers will go.

At any rate, the data proves the claims of the anti-vaxxers to be wrong,
and potentially deadly.

In Victoria, for example, unvaccinated people accounted for 40% of all COVID
deaths in the three months to 21 October 2022 —despite representing only
2.3% of the state’s adult population.

      8-)

aquascoot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 6:27pm:

meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong.

You moron they were talking about the lockdowns ending not covid

You're a waste of oxygen

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 7:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference. Did it? the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid - didn't stop me getting sick - after 5 days I'm still testing positive. Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else. Would I have been worse off without any vaxes? I don't know.

Yes, it DID

Unless you're typing from your bed in an intensive care unit, 
Or a drawer in the mortuary.

Compared to pre-vaccination days, hospital admissions and deaths are down to a slow drizzle

What exactly is this "conspiracy theory", that you label anyone who refuses to be vaccinated?

Do these theorists believe that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does NOT exist?
Do these theorists believe that these immunizations are only a plot to control or harm people and make billions?

I seriously doubt that any anti-mRNA vaxxer would believe either of these claims. Except, maybe profiteering from a government created demand.

There is no doubt that world/state/country leaders have all claimed,

that the covid-19 vaccine WILL PREVENT anyone from becoming infected with Covid-19;
that this vaccine WILL PREVENT anyone from dying with/from covid-19;
that lockdowns, distancing, and masking WILL PREVENT anyone from becoming infected, or spreading this virus;
that the more vaccinated you are, the more safer and protected you'll be from Covid-19.

These are all lies and half-truths by omission! Whether people should know WHAT these leaders actually meant by their comments, IS IRRELEVANT. It is what they actually said that is relevant. And, it is clear and obvious what these leaders meant. As long as you keep any message simple and short, and repeat it often enough, the masses will believe it.

These are the real facts; 

mRNA tech forces normal muscle cells to start producing foreign viral antigens, genetically;

mRNA tech does NOT use live, attenuated, modified, or dead pathogens/antibodies. Like ALL other past vaccines do;

mRNA tech will only produce narrow-spectrum, high-affinity, and antigen-specific antibodies. Unlike all other antibodies;

Over 97% of all victims of Covid-19 WILL recover. And, over 80% of those victims WILL experience zero to mild symptoms. Vaccinated or not;

No amount of vaccinations can prevent anyone from being infected, spreading, or even dying from Covid;

The condition of your immune system is the ONLY thing that will determine the outcome and the severity of this illness;

Covid-19 vaccines DO destroy ACE2 receptor sites on cells. And, thus will lead to many types of adverse events;

All mutated strains of this virus, will always be weaker(in some respect) to its original genotype;
   
On any given day of the 1,083 days of this pandemic, less than 0.04% of the Australian pop. have been infected(tested positive). And, only 0.00006% of the pop. has died  with/from this virus;

The average mortality rate over this entire period has been 0.15% of all cases.

Now these are the facts. If we exclude all the media theatrics, inferences, insinuations, drama, fear-mongering, and fallacies, we can easily see that the facts just don't justify the belief. This is NOT the "Black Death", or the "Spanish Flu"(there were no antibiotics back then).

This is the weakest of all the SARS-CoV-2 variants(Omicron). Since it is now the dominant variant, I just don't think we need to do any more damage to our country and our society!

So again, what specifically is this conspiracy theory, that anti-mRNA vaxxers believe in? And, what is the connection between where you stand on the political spectrum, and your choice not to be vaccinated?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 1:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 7:03pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Dec 31st, 2022 at 6:27pm: meh, the vaccine didnt end the pandemic far from it and every state premier said "this all ends when we get enough jabs in arms" well clearly they were wrong and should admit they were wrong. Yes they were all wrong. It aint over - far from it but the Jab sure made a huge difference. Did it? the 3 jabs I had didn't stop me getting Covid - didn't stop me getting sick - after 5 days I'm still testing positive. Didn't stop me from having to isolate as I could give it to someone else. Would I have been worse off without any vaxes? I don't know. Yes, it DID Unless you're typing from your bed in an intensive care unit,  Or a drawer in the mortuary. Compared to pre-vaccination days, hospital admissions and deaths are down to a slow drizzle

Vaccines became available in Australia, on the 22 Feb., 2021. On that date there were only 28,930 accumulated cases, 909 accumulated Covid-19 deaths(with/from), and only 40 active cases. That's 73 cases and 2 deaths per day, over a 394 day period before vaccines were available. On average, there were only 11-14 cases admitted to hospitals(throughout Australia) each day during this period.

After vaccines were available and until today, well you can do the math. I think the "slow drizzle" is the other way around.

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:

What exactly is this "conspiracy theory", that you label anyone who refuses to be vaccinated? Do these theorists believe that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does NOT exist? Do these theorists believe that these immunizations are only a plot to control or harm people and make billions? I seriously doubt that any anti-mRNA vaxxer would believe either of these claims. Except, maybe profiteering from a government created demand. There is no doubt that world/state/country leaders have all claimed, that the covid-19 vaccine WILL PREVENT anyone from becoming infected with Covid-19; that this vaccine WILL PREVENT anyone from dying with/from covid-19; that lockdowns, distancing, and masking WILL PREVENT anyone from becoming infected, or spreading this virus; that the more vaccinated you are, the more safer and protected you'll be from Covid-19. These are all lies and half-truths by omission! Whether people should know WHAT these leaders actually meant by their comments, IS IRRELEVANT. It is what they actually said that is relevant. And, it is clear and obvious what these leaders meant. As long as you keep any message simple and short, and repeat it often enough, the masses will believe it. These are the real facts;  mRNA tech forces normal muscle cells to start producing foreign viral antigens, genetically; mRNA tech does NOT use live, attenuated, modified, or dead pathogens/antibodies. Like ALL other past vaccines do; mRNA tech will only produce narrow-spectrum, high-affinity, and antigen-specific antibodies. Unlike all other antibodies; Over 97% of all victims of Covid-19 WILL recover. And, over 80% of those victims WILL experience zero to mild symptoms. Vaccinated or not; No amount of vaccinations can prevent anyone from being infected, spreading, or even dying from Covid; The condition of your immune system is the ONLY thing that will determine the outcome and the severity of this illness; Covid-19 vaccines DO destroy ACE2 receptor sites on cells. And, thus will lead to many types of adverse events; All mutated strains of this virus, will always be weaker(in some respect) to its original genotype;     On any given day of the 1,083 days of this pandemic, less than 0.04% of the Australian pop. have been infected(tested positive). And, only 0.00006% of the pop. has died  with/from this virus; The average mortality rate over this entire period has been 0.15% of all cases. Now these are the facts. If we exclude all the media theatrics, inferences, insinuations, drama, fear-mongering, and fallacies, we can easily see that the facts just don't justify the belief. This is NOT the "Black Death", or the "Spanish Flu"(there were no antibiotics back then). This is the weakest of all the SARS-CoV-2 variants(Omicron). Since it is now the dominant variant, I just don't think we need to do any more damage to our country and our society! So again, what specifically is this conspiracy theory, that anti-mRNA vaxxers believe in? And, what is the connection between where you stand on the political spectrum, and your choice not to be vaccinated?

if the bed wetters accept that truth, they then have a terrible realisation.

that they will have to come up with a positive reason to bounce out of bed in the morning and they will have to find  something meaniful to do.
some will focus on trump as something meaningful

its revealing that the trump haters tend to be the bed wetting covid catastrophisers

surviving covid and gloating about the fact they survived covid is all a lot of these people have going for them

survival = success = a meaningful life.

if they have to confront the meaningless existence of the last 3 years, they would have to admit they have wasted 3 years of their life they will never get back

thats too much for the ego of an isolated chode to handle

dont take that away from them shellsilo

masking up, reading the obituaries and being smug is the juice that powers their life

So, people who are trying not to get infected with a brain and multiple organ damaging virus (and the damage seems to get worse with every reinfection) are bedwetters, are they?

OK, got it.

Plus, there are many vulnerable elderly and immunocompromised people who could die from just a single Covid infection. Is it fair that they should spend the rest of their lives trapped inside their homes like a lot of them are doing and have done for nearly 3 years just so everyone else can pretend it's 2019 again?

Carl D wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 5:11pm:

So, people who are trying not to get infected with a brain and multiple organ damaging virus (and the damage seems to get worse with every reinfection) are bedwetters, are they? OK, got it. Plus, there are many vulnerable elderly and immunocompromised people who could die from just a single Covid infection. Is it fair that they should spend the rest of their lives trapped inside their homes like a lot of them are doing and have done for nearly 3 years just so everyone else can pretend it's 2019 again?

people who refuse to ever travel in a motor vehicle could claim they are trying to prevent brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma

i would still say they have an amxiety disorder and need help , despite the fact they are technically correct.

carl, you can hide away for the rest of your life, no one is going to stop you.

but no one is going to stop covid being an ever present threat.

if you never want to get hurt in a car accident, dont hop in a car...makes the roads less crowded

if you never want to catch covid, stay in your room...makes the roads less crowded

wither way, stop complaining about your personal choice

you are the one making it,

shoot off an email to Dr gerrard with a double r and voice your concerns
i'm sure he will be impressed  ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 5:17pm:

people who refuse to ever travel in a motor vehicle could claim they are trying to prevent brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma

Not that tired old 'argument' again?

As far as I am aware "brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma" isn't acquired by breathing in other (Covid infected) peoples' exhaled air.

Carl D wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 5:17pm: people who refuse to ever travel in a motor vehicle could claim they are trying to prevent brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma Not that tired old 'argument' again? As far as I am aware "brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma" isn't acquired by breathing in other (Covid infected) peoples' exhaled air.

never go on the road....you wont die in a road accident

never breath in air from other people...you wont die from covid.

personal choice and personal responsibility

i like roads and i like people but some people are very risk averse and should probably stay in their room

either way, you dont get to make the rules for planet earth , so you decide

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They lied and said the vaccine would protect us

Yet your not dead ?

Not sure why you are complaining.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 5:43pm:

Not that tired old 'argument' again? As far as I am aware "brain damage and multiple organ damage from road trauma" isn't acquired by breathing in other (Covid infected) peoples' exhaled air.

That was NOT THE argument he was making. Unless you plan on buying a completely self-contained hazmat suit, with an infinite supply of oxygen scrubbers, and want to live indefinitely at the bottom of a filled swimming pool, you will have as much chance of becoming infected as anyone else who breathes oxygen. This virus infects RANDOMLY, not SELECTIVELY!

The only stats that matter are the case fatality rates, and the case recovery rates. It doesn't matter if 11M Australians have been infected, if 99.997% of them will recover. RIGHT?


Carl D wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 5:11pm:

So, people who are trying not to get infected with a brain and multiple organ damaging virus (and the damage seems to get worse with every reinfection) are bedwetters, are they? OK, got it. Plus, there are many vulnerable elderly and immunocompromised people who could die from just a single Covid infection. Is it fair that they should spend the rest of their lives trapped inside their homes like a lot of them are doing and have done for nearly 3 years just so everyone else can pretend it's 2019 again?

This is just an appeal to pathos. There will always be the elderly and the immunocompromised. And, they will die when it's their turn. Regardless of what the coincidental agent(virus, bacteria, fungi, accident, or protozoa) is.

Remember over 80% of Australians over 70yo with Covid-19, DO SURVIVE! And, I certainly believe that you should have the right to do whatever makes you feel safe and secure. But you have no right to force/coerce ME to do the same. Would you take a child away from its mother, because she refuses to have her child vaccinated? 

 

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 10:04pm:

You could have been dead.  The stats say that not being vaxed can lead to that result.

I think I missed both the Bitchute and the MEME on that one

Make mental note to self

!. Have a daily browse for "what's new on vaccines" on Bitchute

2. Look through new COVID19 MEMES every morning - to get the alternative facts the MSM are too scared to publish




.

Actually they did say that:
“vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick".

https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995

Frank wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:21pm:

Actually they did say that: “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick". https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995

Well, it seems "they" - or at least one of "they" - was incorrect
I never put my faith (and fate) in the hands of one of "they"
I've continued to mask, isolate, handwash and sterilise

I don't believe any Australian authority ever made such a sweeping, blanket statement claiming it is 100% impossible for a vaccinated person to carry the virus and pass it on to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person


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Alex Gauci @alex_gauci Replying to @catherine___c I don’t remember any one credible ever saying those things about the vaccines ever in Australia. 7:19 PM · Jan 2, 2023

Don't be a "pack of pussies" people
Get your initial two shots
And keep up to date with boosters

And look for something near consensus
Not individual opinion

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 8:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 11:21pm: Actually they did say that: “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick". https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995 Well, it seems "they" - or at least one of "they" - was incorrect I never put my faith (and fate) in the hands of one of "they" I've continued to mask, isolate, handwash and sterilise I don't believe any Australian authority ever made such a sweeping, blanket statement claiming it is 100% impossible for a vaccinated person to carry the virus and pass it on to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person Quote: Alex Gauci @alex_gauci Replying to @catherine___c I don’t remember any one credible ever saying those things about the vaccines ever in Australia. 7:19 PM · Jan 2, 2023 Don't be a "pack of pussies" people Get your initial two shots And keep up to date with boosters And look for something near consensus Not individual opinion

You do know what CDC stands for, pal, don't you?
The Centre for Disease Control. The woman in that clip spoke for the CDC.
You know, the consensus experts with authority to proclaim that the science is settled and any further thinking is futile, if not an outright conspiracy.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 8:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 11:21pm: Actually they did say that: “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick". https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995 Well, it seems "they" - or at least one of "they" - was incorrect I never put my faith (and fate) in the hands of one of "they" I've continued to mask, isolate, handwash and sterilise I don't believe any Australian authority ever made such a sweeping, blanket statement claiming it is 100% impossible for a vaccinated person to carry the virus and pass it on to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person Quote: Alex Gauci @alex_gauci Replying to @catherine___c I don’t remember any one credible ever saying those things about the vaccines ever in Australia. 7:19 PM · Jan 2, 2023 Don't be a "pack of pussies" people Get your initial two shots And keep up to date with boosters And look for something near consensus Not individual opinion

What's it supposed to protect you from ?? :D LOL

---

Roberg Kennedy Jr.

The most truthful and relevant short education vid of 2023, just as it begins - you heard it, and it is Gold.
Retweet to regain our democracy and freedoms this year - or we are all lost!

https://mobile.twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1609355810689241091

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 8:26am: Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 11:21pm: Actually they did say that: “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick". https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995 Well, it seems "they" - or at least one of "they" - was incorrect I never put my faith (and fate) in the hands of one of "they" I've continued to mask, isolate, handwash and sterilise I don't believe any Australian authority ever made such a sweeping, blanket statement claiming it is 100% impossible for a vaccinated person to carry the virus and pass it on to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person Quote: Alex Gauci @alex_gauci Replying to @catherine___c I don’t remember any one credible ever saying those things about the vaccines ever in Australia. 7:19 PM · Jan 2, 2023 Don't be a "pack of pussies" people Get your initial two shots And keep up to date with boosters And look for something near consensus Not individual opinion What's it supposed to protect you from ?? :D LOL

No COVID19 vaccine ever gave a 100% guarantee against catching this new virus
In fact, no pharmaceutical company - researching and developing vaccines - has ever declared a 100% guarantee on a vaccine against ANY disease.
But what we ARE getting is a speedier recovery, less time in a Intensive Care Unit (if any) and a greatly reduced death toll
The statistics speak for themselves

And whether you want to cover your eyes to scientific data and fact, it's your issue to deal with - unless you have a meme or Bitchute video that can tell me otherwise ?

You are - as we all KNOW - a habitual conspiracy theorist all the way from Freemasons controlling the world, to shift-shaping lizard people - and "chemtrails" - and now on to vaccinations



.

I don't really think anybody here takes anything Lastnail writes
seriously.   Rather, his nonsense gives us all a bit of a chance
to have a good laugh in order to brighten an otherwise dull day.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 5:45pm:

I don't really think anybody here takes anything Lastnail writes seriously.   Rather, his nonsense gives us all a bit of a chance to have a good laugh in order to brighten an otherwise dull day.

Then the jokes on you sucker ;)

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 8:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 11:21pm: Actually they did say that: “vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick". https://mobile.twitter.com/catherine___c/status/1609745726158036995 Well, it seems "they" - or at least one of "they" - was incorrect I never put my faith (and fate) in the hands of one of "they" I've continued to mask, isolate, handwash and sterilise I don't believe any Australian authority ever made such a sweeping, blanket statement claiming it is 100% impossible for a vaccinated person to carry the virus and pass it on to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person Quote: Alex Gauci @alex_gauci Replying to @catherine___c I don’t remember any one credible ever saying those things about the vaccines ever in Australia. 7:19 PM · Jan 2, 2023 Don't be a "pack of pussies" people Get your initial two shots And keep up to date with boosters And look for something near consensus Not individual opinion

Quite a few claimed vaccinated people do not carry the virus and don't get sick.

Our vaccine mandates that locked unvaxxed people out of society were based on this misinformation.People lost their jobs over this and now you lie and claim it didn't happen.

The experts who questioned these lies were silenced and censored.


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Martin Kulldorff @MartinKulldorff Epidemiologist. Biostatistician. Infectious disease outbreaks. Vaccine safety. Harvard professor (on leave). Free SaTScan, TreeScan & RSequential software. I do not understand why anyone is okay with LinkedIn/Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube/Google and Twitter having censored factually correct covid information. https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1599171045310623744?cxt=HHwWgMCjrfnlsrEsAAAA

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AusGeoff wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 5:45pm:

I don't really think anybody here takes anything Lastnail writes seriously.   Rather, his nonsense gives us all a bit of a chance to have a good laugh in order to brighten an otherwise dull day.

Ad Hom attacks? Changing the goal post and Red herring fallacies(100% guaranteed protection)? Really? All you have to do is debunk or demonstrate just WHY ANY of Sir lastnail comments are wrong. It should be very easy to disprove his comments.

There is no ambiguity or uncertainty, about what these world leaders meant by their comments. Get vaccinated and you will be protected from becoming infected, transmitting, suffering, or dying from this virus. Only when it became obvious that the vaccines did NONE if these things, that a new spin on the narrative was created. That is, "nothing is a guarantee, and we should have known this". And, "Well more unvaccinated are dying than the vaccinated.". Are you saying that we should only listen to what these leaders meant to say, and NOT what they are actually saying? How do we do this?? Seems like a win-win for them!

Anyway, this is NOT rocket science. And, can easily be debunked. 

Just show why masks work, when the largest mask-wearing work industry(Healthcare), is also the most infected of all work industries? Can you even debunk, that this virus is many times smaller than the smallest pore size on any mask? Or, can this virus enter the body through the eyes? Or NOT?

Were non-essential businesses closed down(most for good), to stop the spread of this virus? Or, that millions of workers were put back on the dole? Or NOT?

Were Australians in many industries, forced to choose between their jobs, or the jab? Or NOT?

Were Australians being fined/arrested for non-compliance with all lockdown protocols? Or NOT?

Were curfews and travel restrictions in effect throughout Australia? Or NOT?

Were Australians required to have Covid-19 vaccine passport/ID to eat in restaurants, or to travel interstate or overseas? Or NOT?

Did over 95% of all infected Australians recover from this virus, vaccinated or not? Or NOT?

Did many schools require that parents vaccinate their children, before they could reattend their school? And, force kids in kindergartens to wear masks? This is just tantamount to child abuse, IMHO.

Were teachers required to choose between their jobs or the jab? Or NOT?

Does this lab-created mRNA force muscle cells to genetically produce foreign spike proteins? That would induce the immune system to make antigen-specific, high affinity, and narrow-spectrum antibodies? Or NOT?
 
Were there more Covid-19 cases and deaths after lockdown protocols than before? And, were there more Covid-19 cases and deaths, after vaccines were introduced, than before? Or NOT?

As of 3 Jan, 2023, have there been 11,132,933 total cases of Covid-19, 17,052 total deaths, 10,979,283 recoveries, and 136,599 still
active cases of Covid-19 in Australia? Or NOT?

I really hate to see how this government would react to an Ebola or Rabies epidemic. Considering its knee-jerk immature response to a disease with these stats. Again, the reality just doesn't fit the belief.


 

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Then the jokes on you sucker ;)

Go blow it out of your F A T ass, you conspiracy loser shitstain

Marla wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 3:00am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:54pm: Then the jokes on you sucker ;) Go blow it out of your F A T ass, you conspiracy loser shitstain

You still alive ?? Not for very long i don't think ;)

Marla wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 3:00am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:54pm: Then the jokes on you sucker ;) Go blow it out of your F A T ass, you conspiracy loser shitstain

WHAT IS THE CONSPIRACY??? WHAT ARE THE LIES??

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:39pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:45pm: I don't really think anybody here takes anything Lastnail writes seriously.   Rather, his nonsense gives us all a bit of a chance to have a good laugh in order to brighten an otherwise dull day. Ad Hom attacks? Changing the goal post and Red herring fallacies(100% guaranteed protection)? Really? All you have to do is debunk or demonstrate just WHY ANY of Sir lastnail comments are wrong. It should be very easy to disprove his comments...

Well... considering that Sir Lastnail has never posted one single accredited
scientific fact to prove any of his absurd claims, it's actually difficult to
disprove those claims—such as they are LOL.

Firstly, he claims the pandemic is one big hoax
perpetrated by "big pharma" and governments. 

He only ever cites acknowledged conspiracy sites
and/or quack medical doctors, such as Kory, Mercola, 
Buttar, Malone et al.

He repeatedly claims that the vaccines are nothing
more than "monkey snot" but is unable to list their
actual ingredients.

He claims that more vaccinated people die from
COVID than the unvaccinated, but with no evidence.

He claims that vaccinated individuals will suffer from
future illness and/or premature deaths because their
immune systems have been compromised.

He falsely and repeatedly claims Dr Anthony Fauci is
a liar and/or he said that (bizarrely!) infection is the
best protection against... uh... infection!

—One doesn't need membership of MENSA in order to
   laugh at each and every one of these nonsensical claims.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 11:39pm: AusGeoff wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:45pm: I don't really think anybody here takes anything Lastnail writes seriously.   Rather, his nonsense gives us all a bit of a chance to have a good laugh in order to brighten an otherwise dull day. Ad Hom attacks? Changing the goal post and Red herring fallacies(100% guaranteed protection)? Really? All you have to do is debunk or demonstrate just WHY ANY of Sir lastnail comments are wrong. It should be very easy to disprove his comments... Well... considering that Sir Lastnail has never posted one single accredited scientific fact to prove any of his absurd claims, it's actually difficult to disprove those claims—such as they are LOL. Firstly, he claims the pandemic is one big hoax perpetrated by "big pharma" and governments.  He only ever cites acknowledged conspiracy sites and/or quack medical doctors, such as Kory, Mercola,  Buttar, Malone et al. He repeatedly claims that the vaccines are nothing more than "monkey snot" but is unable to list their actual ingredients. He claims that more vaccinated people die from COVID than the unvaccinated, but with no evidence. He claims that vaccinated individuals will suffer from future illness and/or premature deaths because their immune systems have been compromised. He falsely and repeatedly claims Dr Anthony Fauci is a liar and/or he said that (bizarrely!) infection is the best protection against... uh... infection! —One doesn't need membership of MENSA in order to    laugh at each and every one of these nonsensical claims.

The media saying absolutely nothing now and hoping everyone will forget about it speaks volumes mate ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

The media saying absolutely nothing now and hoping everyone will forget about it speaks volumes mate ;)

It definitely speaks volumes to me.

What it says is that everyone is supposed to believe the pandemic is over and it's everyone get back to work, work, work and spend, spend, spend.

For the economy.

I have attempted to explain this to you several times lately but you just ignore it. As usual.

Carl D wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: The media saying absolutely nothing now and hoping everyone will forget about it speaks volumes mate ;) It definitely speaks volumes to me. What it says is that everyone is supposed to believe the pandemic is over and it's everyone get back to work, work, work and spend, spend, spend. For the economy. I have attempted to explain this to you several times lately but you just ignore it. As usual.

I'm coming to the conclusion that attempting to have any meaningful dialogue
with Sir Lastnail would be like asking Sarah Palin to explain string theory.  Yes,
I can see Russia from Alaska.

And I agree;  all too often I'm seeing the phrase "post pandemic" in our papers
and on TV news reports.  The trouble is though that the ill-informed like Lastnail
agree it's all over.   And there are far too many of his double-digit peers out there
also believing this.     Idiots.

Carl D wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: The media saying absolutely nothing now and hoping everyone will forget about it speaks volumes mate ;) It definitely speaks volumes to me. What it says is that everyone is supposed to believe the pandemic is over and it's everyone get back to work, work, work and spend, spend, spend. For the economy. I have attempted to explain this to you several times lately but you just ignore it. As usual.

They are not even saying that carl. They are just not saying anything at all ;) Just ask any lawyer. It's the oldest trick in the book not to admit liability and anything you say can be used in evidence against you ;)

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

Carl D wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:08pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: The media saying absolutely nothing now and hoping everyone will forget about it speaks volumes mate ;) It definitely speaks volumes to me. What it says is that everyone is supposed to believe the pandemic is over and it's everyone get back to work, work, work and spend, spend, spend. For the economy. I have attempted to explain this to you several times lately but you just ignore it. As usual. I'm coming to the conclusion that attempting to have any meaningful dialogue with Sir Lastnail would be like asking Sarah Palin to explain string theory.  Yes, I can see Russia from Alaska. And I agree;  all too often I'm seeing the phrase "post pandemic" in our papers and on TV news reports.  The trouble is though that the ill-informed like Lastnail agree it's all over.   And there are far too many of his double-digit peers out there also believing this.     Idiots.

I can listen to ABC news radio for hours and there is nothing about it except for china where their vaccination program has been an epic fail ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

I can listen to ABC news radio for hours and there is nothing about it except for china where their vaccination program has been an epic fail ;)

Which means......................?

Go on..... take a wild guess. You can even cheat by copying and pasting the most likely answer from my last post if you like.

Sheesh... having a tooth pulled without anaesthetic would be less painful than dealing with this.

...

     

Carl D wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:57pm: I can listen to ABC news radio for hours and there is nothing about it except for china where their vaccination program has been an epic fail ;) Which means......................? Go on..... take a wild guess. You can even cheat by copying and pasting the most likely answer from my last post if you like. Sheesh... having a tooth pulled without anaesthetic would be less painful than dealing with this.

I stand by the original video I posted. It is undeniable. Only a moron would deny it.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Well... considering that Sir Lastnail has never posted one single accredited scientific fact to prove any of his absurd claims, it's actually difficult to disprove those claims—such as they are LOL.

Thank you for responding. I'm afraid that most people are just not science-literate enough, to be able to decern between what is scientific fact, and what is scientific opinion. Let alone are able to decide which sources are unbiased, accredited, credible, or peer-reviewed(not what you think it means).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/

Most people simply seek out only the information that will confirm their biased beliefs and values(confirmation bias). Instead of considering ALL the facts objectively, they will simply ignore or discredit any information that doesn't support/confirm their own narrative/beliefs.

If you don't already have a working understanding/knowledge of how the immune system works, how vaccines work, what causes vaccine side effects(adverse events), or how pathogens effect the body, then how could you defend your position against someone who does know? Let me address your concerns.


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Firstly, he claims the pandemic is one big hoax perpetrated by "big pharma" and governments.

This would mean that he thinks that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does NOT exist. That doctors, researchers, and all healthcare professionals, etc., throughout the world, have all been complicit in an almost 3 year hoax. I doubt that he(or anyone else) believes that Covid-19 is just a media-contrived and manufactured hoax.


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

He only ever cites acknowledged conspiracy sites and/or quack medical doctors, such as Kory, Mercola,  Buttar, Malone et al.

Even if a site(or person) is an acknowledged conspiracy site, that doesn't mean that ALL information from that site should be dismissed/ignored as just another conspiracy site. That would be another fallacy. Even a broken watch will get the time right twice a day.
 

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

He repeatedly claims that the vaccines are nothing more than "monkey snot" but is unable to list their actual ingredients.

Firstly, no one knows ALL the ingredients that is in any of these Covid-19 vaccines. Except for the manufacturers. Also, only the Jenssen/Johnson & Johnson, and the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines use viral vectors to ferry the genetic instructions into the muscle cells. This viral vector is a modified version of the adenovirus(Ad26). It is normally found in chimpanzees. Where it is known to cause a mild cold in chimps. So, "monkey snot" is just a colorful and editorialized stretch.


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

He claims that more vaccinated people die from COVID than the unvaccinated, but with no evidence.

    
If we ignore all the selective stats, time periods, inclusion of the non-fully vaccinated, and other cleverly selected statistical fallacies(base rate), common sense should tell us, that if over 90% of the population is vaccinated, then the majority of deaths will be from the vaccinated majority. Which is exactly what we would expect. This virus is NOT sentient or selective.

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2017/04/05/common_statistical_fallacies_and_paradoxes_110241.html


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

He falsely and repeatedly claims Dr Anthony Fauci is a liar and/or he said that (bizarrely!) infection is the best protection against... uh... infection!

Like you, he is entitled to his own opinions. And, so is Dr. Fauci. I agree that the antibodies that are produced naturally, are more versatile, and more adaptive than any antibodies produced artificially. So yes, becoming infected is the best protection from being reinfected by this virus, or ANY of its variants.


Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

—One doesn't need membership of MENSA in order to    laugh at each and every one of these nonsensical claims.

This is very true. Especially, if all you're going to do is laugh at every one of his claims. :) 

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 4:40pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: Well... considering that Sir Lastnail has never posted one single accredited scientific fact to prove any of his absurd claims, it's actually difficult to disprove those claims—such as they are LOL. Thank you for responding. I'm afraid that most people are just not science-literate enough, to be able to decern between what is scientific fact, and what is scientific opinion. Let alone are able to decide which sources are unbiased, accredited, credible, or peer-reviewed(not what you think it means). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Most people simply seek out only the information that will confirm their biased beliefs and values(confirmation bias). Instead of considering ALL the facts objectively, they will simply ignore or discredit any information that doesn't support/confirm their own narrative/beliefs. If you don't already have a working understanding/knowledge of how the immune system works, how vaccines work, what causes vaccine side effects(adverse events), or how pathogens effect the body, then how could you defend your position against someone who does know? Let me address your concerns. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: Firstly, he claims the pandemic is one big hoax perpetrated by "big pharma" and governments.  This would mean that he thinks that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does NOT exist. That doctors, researchers, and all healthcare professionals, etc., throughout the world, have all been complicit in an almost 3 year hoax. I doubt that he(or anyone else) believes that Covid-19 is just a media-contrived and manufactured hoax. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He only ever cites acknowledged conspiracy sites and/or quack medical doctors, such as Kory, Mercola,  Buttar, Malone et al. Even if a site(or person) is an acknowledged conspiracy site, that doesn't mean that ALL information from that site should be dismissed/ignored as just another conspiracy site. That would be another fallacy. Even a broken watch will get the time right twice a day.   Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He repeatedly claims that the vaccines are nothing more than "monkey snot" but is unable to list their actual ingredients. Firstly, no one knows ALL the ingredients that is in any of these Covid-19 vaccines. Except for the manufacturers. Also, only the Jenssen/Johnson & Johnson, and the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines use viral vectors to ferry the genetic instructions into the muscle cells. This viral vector is a modified version of the adenovirus(Ad26). It is normally found in chimpanzees. Where it is known to cause a mild cold in chimps. So, "monkey snot" is just a colorful and editorialized stretch. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He claims that more vaccinated people die from COVID than the unvaccinated, but with no evidence.      If we ignore all the selective stats, time periods, inclusion of the non-fully vaccinated, and other cleverly selected statistical fallacies(base rate), common sense should tell us, that if over 90% of the population is vaccinated, then the majority of deaths will be from the vaccinated majority. Which is exactly what we would expect. This virus is NOT sentient or selective. https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2017/04/05/common_statistical_fallacies_and_paradoxes_110241.html Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He falsely and repeatedly claims Dr Anthony Fauci is a liar and/or he said that (bizarrely!) infection is the best protection against... uh... infection! Like you, he is entitled to his own opinions. And, so is Dr. Fauci. I agree that the antibodies that are produced naturally, are more versatile, and more adaptive than any antibodies produced artificially. So yes, becoming infected is the best protection from being reinfected by this virus, or ANY of its variants. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: —One doesn't need membership of MENSA in order to    laugh at each and every one of these nonsensical claims. This is very true. Especially, if all you're going to do is laugh at every one of his claims. :)

Quote:

Like you, he is entitled to his own opinions. And, so is Dr. Fauci. I agree that the antibodies that are produced naturally, are more versatile, and more adaptive than any antibodies produced artificially. So yes, becoming infected is the best protection from being reinfected by this virus, or ANY of its variants.

Actually the science seems to say the opposite, they are more specific to protecting against the strain of virus the person was infected with but much less effective against different strains. The Vaccine is better protection against the generic virus.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:33pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 4:40pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: Well... considering that Sir Lastnail has never posted one single accredited scientific fact to prove any of his absurd claims, it's actually difficult to disprove those claims—such as they are LOL. Thank you for responding. I'm afraid that most people are just not science-literate enough, to be able to decern between what is scientific fact, and what is scientific opinion. Let alone are able to decide which sources are unbiased, accredited, credible, or peer-reviewed(not what you think it means). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ Most people simply seek out only the information that will confirm their biased beliefs and values(confirmation bias). Instead of considering ALL the facts objectively, they will simply ignore or discredit any information that doesn't support/confirm their own narrative/beliefs. If you don't already have a working understanding/knowledge of how the immune system works, how vaccines work, what causes vaccine side effects(adverse events), or how pathogens effect the body, then how could you defend your position against someone who does know? Let me address your concerns. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: Firstly, he claims the pandemic is one big hoax perpetrated by "big pharma" and governments.  This would mean that he thinks that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does NOT exist. That doctors, researchers, and all healthcare professionals, etc., throughout the world, have all been complicit in an almost 3 year hoax. I doubt that he(or anyone else) believes that Covid-19 is just a media-contrived and manufactured hoax. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He only ever cites acknowledged conspiracy sites and/or quack medical doctors, such as Kory, Mercola,  Buttar, Malone et al. Even if a site(or person) is an acknowledged conspiracy site, that doesn't mean that ALL information from that site should be dismissed/ignored as just another conspiracy site. That would be another fallacy. Even a broken watch will get the time right twice a day.   Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He repeatedly claims that the vaccines are nothing more than "monkey snot" but is unable to list their actual ingredients. Firstly, no one knows ALL the ingredients that is in any of these Covid-19 vaccines. Except for the manufacturers. Also, only the Jenssen/Johnson & Johnson, and the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines use viral vectors to ferry the genetic instructions into the muscle cells. This viral vector is a modified version of the adenovirus(Ad26). It is normally found in chimpanzees. Where it is known to cause a mild cold in chimps. So, "monkey snot" is just a colorful and editorialized stretch. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He claims that more vaccinated people die from COVID than the unvaccinated, but with no evidence.      If we ignore all the selective stats, time periods, inclusion of the non-fully vaccinated, and other cleverly selected statistical fallacies(base rate), common sense should tell us, that if over 90% of the population is vaccinated, then the majority of deaths will be from the vaccinated majority. Which is exactly what we would expect. This virus is NOT sentient or selective. https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2017/04/05/common_statistical_fallacies_and_paradoxes_110241.html Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: He falsely and repeatedly claims Dr Anthony Fauci is a liar and/or he said that (bizarrely!) infection is the best protection against... uh... infection! Like you, he is entitled to his own opinions. And, so is Dr. Fauci. I agree that the antibodies that are produced naturally, are more versatile, and more adaptive than any antibodies produced artificially. So yes, becoming infected is the best protection from being reinfected by this virus, or ANY of its variants. Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:25pm: —One doesn't need membership of MENSA in order to    laugh at each and every one of these nonsensical claims. This is very true. Especially, if all you're going to do is laugh at every one of his claims. :)  Quote: Like you, he is entitled to his own opinions. And, so is Dr. Fauci. I agree that the antibodies that are produced naturally, are more versatile, and more adaptive than any antibodies produced artificially. So yes, becoming infected is the best protection from being reinfected by this virus, or ANY of its variants. Actually the science seems to say the opposite, they are more specific to protecting against the strain of virus the person was infected with but much less effective against different strains. The Vaccine is better protection against the generic virus.

sorry, you are confused.

its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation)

Google owns youtube.

People were banned for posting the truth.

The truth was called misinformation.

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Natural immunity from covid infection is a fact.

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Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:33pm:

Actually the science seems to say the opposite, they are more specific to protecting against the strain of virus the person was infected with but much less effective against different strains. The Vaccine is better protection against the generic virus.

Not quite sure what you mean by, "..the science SEEMS to say the opposite,..". I certainly agree that vaccine induced antibodies are antigen-specific(spike protein ONLY), high-affinity, and very narrow-spectrum antibodies. Is this what you are saying? These are the antibodies we want, if you are in the high-risk group. And, as long as the pathogen doesn't mutate, any of the mRNA vaccines are very effective.

But naturally induced antibodies can recognized multiple markers on the virus(spike protein, toxins, secondary protein markers, etc.). Thereby, producing antibodies that will recognize the WHOLE pathogen, regardless of its variants. These are the broad-spectrum, non-specific NK(natural killer) cells of our innate immune system.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2017.01124/full

Designer antibodies will ONLY recognize the antigen that it is designed to recognize. It will ignore any other variation of the pathogen. Hence why there are so many reinfections by its variants. Hence why this virus has so many variants. 

Remember, the vaccines only mimics a part of the virus(antigen). NOT the virus. If the virus's spike protein is altered in any way, the vaccine is useless. Also, ALL vaccines depend on the condition of the immune system. If you have multiple comorbidities, are immunocompromised, or your immune system is suppressed, then the number of vaccines you have is irrelevant. And, your chances for survival are not good.

Maybe you can also point out, where my comments and the science differ?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

sorry, you are confused. its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation)

Yes, we are still talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Covid-19(disease) in Australia. NOT about hospitalizations!

It is very possible that I AM confused. So what specifically should be "..the the other way around.."? And, what specifically am I confused about?

Vaccines add protection.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection.

A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.

Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.

A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:37pm:

Vaccines add protection. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection. A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19. Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before. A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

I am certainly not here to change anyone's mind. I have read the article you posited, and thank you. The article starts off with raising the question, if we have natural immunity against the Coronavirus? Actually, some people do. But the majority of people don't. But we're NOT talking about natural immunity to this virus. We're talking about natural immunity INDUCED by this virus, vs vaccine induced immunity to this virus. So the initial premise is false!

Then the article states that our natural immunity weakens over time, faster than the vaccine-acquired immunity does. But neglects to say what that time is, why this is so, or any evidence supporting its claim.

It then goes on to say that if you want to keep up with a vaccine-induced immunity to Covid-19, you must continue to keep taking these vaccines and boosters. Indefinitely! Since the vaccine's protection also wanes/weakens over time. ??? 

It goes into the added protection afforded by these vaccines, using non-specific and meaningless terms like, "significantly enhances", "reduces your risk of reinfection", and "..have strong data supporting..", which all can mean anything you want it to mean.

Finally, it engages in fear-mongering, by listing reasons why you should NOT hold off getting vaccinated, or waiting for more research on the role of our natural immunity.

Even without all the coincidental/incidental occurrences, it is crystal clear that the governments of the world only want every man woman and child(and pets), to be vaccinated with these drugs. And, have almost destroyed this country trying to make it so. Maybe we just want to believe something so badly, that we just don't want to see all the red flags. Or, the slippery slope that has been created. IMHO

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:35pm: sorry, you are confused. its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation) Yes, we are still talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Covid-19(disease) in Australia. NOT about hospitalizations! It is very possible that I AM confused. So what specifically should be "..the the other way around.."? And, what specifically am I confused about?

that comment was directed to dna, not to you shell.

dna believes vaccines give better long term immunity.
this is false.
the immunity wanes quite quickly and the new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape.

natural immunity lasts longer.

We're wired to be driven by primal fear and the over-expectation and, in the first world, that we're destined to live disease-free (almost by divine right) for 100+ years.

Factor in the over-expectation that political and (in this case) health leaders have  20/20 insight into the short, medium and long-term futures and those leaders will be cornered into making quick decisions on the fly and forced to stand by them, with large corporations and the media along for the ride.

But that's not to say that the Joe and Jane Average have a better handle on clairvoyance (as we've seen over the last 3 years) - they're clear examples that nothing breeds certainty more effectively than ignorance, made more reckless by being freed from the responsibility of having to act on behalf of a nation - and acting like owners of stopped watches crowing that they're right twice a day.

At an intellectual level you are of course correct master

But as a simple farmer my observation is that people in large Urban concrete jungles are just cut off from nature


I see beloved animals dying all the time

Of course when I see an old horse on its last legs go down with something trivial
As a compassionate farmer I offer it comfort

What I don't do is ring the vet and have the old animal with many comorbidities
Transported to a tertiary level veterinary hospital to undergo MRI and be given tens of thousands of dollars of therapy knowing full well that it is Miele and in a futile fashion prolonging the misery

Now if I had a young horse I may think of throwing the kitchen sink at it to try to save it

But we have to be practical

Our public health system is completely overwhelmed trying to cope with the population which is not only ageing but ageing in a very very unhealthy way

Kovid is just a tiny little trigger which has exposed what was always there

The vast majority of people in the west are getting old
And the vast majority of people in the west refused to look after themselves in terms of diet and physical fitness

Add in the fact that they have all become atheists
Who view their existence as the centre of the univers
And think the world will stop when they disappear


You now have an equation that cannot possibly be solved

Kovid was a great opportunity for a reset in terms of how we look at disease and health
And we Double down and go down the completely wrong fork in the road

There will be consequences for this

Mainly that a health system which was barely coping will now completely fall apart

When the morons running the big cities want some advice
They can always head out into nature and see how things actually function

When you get out of step with mother nature you lose but only 100% of the time
That's just the way it is here on planet Earth

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:54am:

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:36pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:35pm: sorry, you are confused. its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation) Yes, we are still talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Covid-19(disease) in Australia. NOT about hospitalizations! It is very possible that I AM confused. So what specifically should be "..the the other way around.."? And, what specifically am I confused about? that comment was directed to dna, not to you shell. dna believes vaccines give better long term immunity. this is false. the immunity wanes quite quickly and the new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape. natural immunity lasts longer.

My apology. And, of course you are right. Our acquired immune system can manufacture antibodies for not only any pathogen on earth. But for any pathogen anywhere in the universe. Any pathogen or antigen that can cause an infection, or disease, will induce an immune response. The human body has a ratio of 3.0x10^13 human cells, to 3.8x10^13 pathogenic cells. This is almost a 1:1 ratio(ignore the 10:1 pathogens to cells myth).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991899/

Our adaptive immune system(AIS), has taken over 500M years to evolve into the 2nd most complicated system in the body. It is very good at protecting us from any/all pathogens/antigens. But, from a thermodynamic perspective, every amount of energy the body expends, COMES AT A PRICE!

So, unless you are in one of the extreme risk groups, mRNA vaccines is an unnecessary waste of our body's energy. And, WILL only create an avoidable  biochemical imbalance in the body. IMHO

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:54am:

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:36pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:35pm: sorry, you are confused. its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation) Yes, we are still talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Covid-19(disease) in Australia. NOT about hospitalizations! It is very possible that I AM confused. So what specifically should be "..the the other way around.."? And, what specifically am I confused about? that comment was directed to dna, not to you shell. dna believes vaccines give better long term immunity. this is false. the immunity wanes quite quickly and the new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape. natural immunity lasts longer.

The article posted is one of many that say my view is correct.


Quote:

new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape.

This is possible but it is almost certain that natural immunity would fail just as poorly if not worse. Also the next Vaccine update or booster will likely be designed to protect against this version where the previous ineffective natural immunity will never catch up unless you are infected with this strain and even then there is that 30% likelihood of not gaining immunity.

It seems that about 30% of people who have had Covid-19 get zero immunity from it and in almost all cases the vaccine performs better and for longer than any natural immunity gained.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 4:54am: ShellShilo wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:36pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:35pm: sorry, you are confused. its the other way round (assuming we are talking about infection, not hospitalisation) Yes, we are still talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and Covid-19(disease) in Australia. NOT about hospitalizations! It is very possible that I AM confused. So what specifically should be "..the the other way around.."? And, what specifically am I confused about? that comment was directed to dna, not to you shell. dna believes vaccines give better long term immunity. this is false. the immunity wanes quite quickly and the new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape. natural immunity lasts longer. The article posted is one of many that say my view is correct. Quote: new variant in the north east of america shows complete vaccine escape. This is possible but it is almost certain that natural immunity would fail just as poorly if not worse. Also the next Vaccine update or booster will likely be designed to protect against this version where the previous ineffective natural immunity will never catch up unless you are infected with this strain and even then there is that 30% likelihood of not gaining immunity. It seems that about 30% of people who have had Covid-19 get zero immunity from it and in almost all cases the vaccine performs better and for longer than any natural immunity gained.

thats not my understanding.

when you fight off the actual virus your immune system will be recognising all surface of the virus.

when they chop a little piece out of the virus (in this case the spike), your immune system will only be recognising the spike.

i cant see how defeating the entire virus cannot give you better "immune memory" then defeating a very small part of it

do you have a source?

interestingly , you tube and google have banned (in the case of google shadow-banned) all discussion about the disurbing finding by the cleveland clinic that more vaccines makes you more likely to cacth the disease (but i stess not to DIE from the disease).

this is called "controlling the narrative"

imagine if it did turn out the vaccine did make you more prone to re=infection.

there would be some very embarrassed politicians, scientists, media organisations and big corporations.

hence, such information will never see the light of day

Large Study's Disturbing Results -
8 days ago — ... Cleveland Clinic Health System (CCHS) involving 51,977 study subjects and a total of 10,804 employees that were bivalent vaccine boosted ...

COVID vaccine study raises questions about boostershttps://sanduskyregister.com › news › covid-vaccine-stu...
4 days ago — The Cleveland Clinic study was carried out on about 51,000 employees. It was aimed at evaluating the latest booster, the bivalent shot. It ...

COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs - Cleveland Clinichttps://my.clevelandclinic.org › landing › covid-19-vac...
In the phase 3 clinical trial, the vaccine was shown to be 66% effective in preventing moderate and severe COVID-19 disease 28 days after vaccination. Overall, ...

Dr. Doug Corrigan : "1/New study from Cleveland ...https://twitter.com › sciencewdrdoug › status
21 Dec 2022 — 1/New study from Cleveland Clinic demonstrates that the risk of a COVID ... numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected.

Bivalent mRNA vaccine is moderately effective in preventing ...https://www.news-medical.net › news › Bivalent-mRNA...
22 Dec 2022 — The current study involved the recruitment of Cleveland Clinic Health System (CCHS) employees on September 12, 2022, when the bivalent ...

No point vaccinating those who've had COVID-19https://www.news-medical.net › news › No-point-vacci...
cleveland clinic vaccine study from www.news-medical.net
8 June 2021 — Scientists from the Cleveland Clinic, USA, have recently evaluated the effectiveness of coronavirus disease 2019 COVID-19) vaccination among ...

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-two-new-studies-show-mrna


URGENT: Two new studies show mRNA-jabbed people have a much higher risk
of getting Covid than unvaccinated people

Vaccine-driven original antigenic sin: it's real and it's getting worse

Alex Berenson
Dec 21, 2022

People who have received mRNA Covid vaccines are at least twice as likely to be infected with the coronavirus as unvaccinated people, according to two new papers from researchers in Indiana and Ohio.

Worse, the newer of the two studies, which covered Omicron this fall, found risk actually rises with the number of shots.

People who had received three or more shots were more than three times as likely to be infected as those who hadn’t received any.

bobby,

we need to be big picture people.

north eastern usa is up to 5 vaccines.

and its currently experiencing a tidal wave of the new variant

africa, where even having a single  vaccine is at only 10 % has virtually no cases.

ethiopia, kenya and uganda were offered free vaccines by the WHO but turned them down as they have no cases.

i dont know who alex berrenson is.

undoubtedly carl will be along shortly to declare him a nut job

but if you can look at what is actually happening, you would at least want this investigated.

do more vaccines make you more likely to get reinfected.

surely that is a somewhat important question.

why isnt australia investigating and reporting.

could it be you never want to ask a question you wont like the answer to?

this may be the case

berensen is a reporter from the NY times

hardly a tinfoil hat operation

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

bobby, we need to be big picture people. north eastern usa is up to 5 vaccines. and its currently experiencing a tidal wave of the new variant africa, where even having a single  vaccine is at only 10 % has virtually no cases. ethiopia, kenya and uganda were offered free vaccines by the WHO but turned them down as they have no cases. i dont know who alex berrenson is. undoubtedly carl will be along shortly to declare him a nut job but if you can look at what is actually happening, you would at least want this investigated. do more vaccines make you more likely to get reinfected. surely that is a somewhat important question. why isnt australia investigating and reporting. could it be you never want to ask a question you wont like the answer to? this may be the case

PLEASE TAKE ONE
... or TWO - if you think needed


https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71hIXBV2cNL._AC_SL1200_.jpg


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lol@buzz.

Good one. I wonder if we can buy those bags?

Meanwhile, Dr. Berger has the same problem with the BS artists on Twitter as we're having here at OzPol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1611261142646816769

;D

Dnarever wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

The article posted is one of many that say my view is correct.

You can find any article, or person, to support any idea you want. That doesn't mean that your view or idea is correct. Since your article says absolutely NOTHING definitive, I will assume that the other articles are the same. OPINIONATED and DOGMATIC!

Anyone can make claims based on the claims of others. But it is harder to defend those claims without understanding the subject. So again, what should be the other way around? And, what specifically am I confused about?


Dnarever wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

This is possible but it is almost certain that natural immunity would fail just as poorly if not worse. Also the next Vaccine update or booster will likely be designed to protect against this version where the previous ineffective natural immunity will never catch up unless you are infected with this strain and even then there is that 30% likelihood of not gaining immunity. It seems that about 30% of people who have had Covid-19 get zero immunity from it and in almost all cases the vaccine performs better and for longer than any natural immunity gained.

I would love to see any evidence that would support any of these claims. If an unvaccinated person recovers from Covid-19, how long does his acquired immunity lasts? And, how long does a vaccinated person's immunity last, after recovering from Covid-19? Without taking an infinite number of vaccines and boosters, how long does the initial vaccine's immunity lasts?

It's very easy to cite references and articles. But not so easy to defend them. Both Sir lasnail and Aquascoot are correct. The naturally acquired antibodies, are by far the body's best defense against all pathogens. I can give you many scientific reasons why this is so. But I would really like to hear YOUR reasons why it ain't so. Since the burden of proof is on you.

I really don't want my body's immune system, filled with artificially induced antibodies.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:02pm:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-two-new-studies-show-mrna URGENT: Two new studies show mRNA-jabbed people have a much higher risk of getting Covid than unvaccinated people...

Why is it that the rabid anti-vaxxers invariably fail to ascertain the validity
of their sources, or the credentials of the individuals they cite?

Why is it that they only ever link to other anti-vaxxer conspiracy sites,
rather than cite any accredited medical sources possibly supporting
their nonsensical claims?

Anyway, Alex Berenson has zero medical qualifications, and is therefore
totally ill-equipped to offer any rational advice about the pandemic or its
effects, or the efficacy or otherwise of the vaccines and/or vaccination.
It appears he's also lacking the mental acumen needed to separate the
wheat from the chaff—as far as his own limited "research" is concerned.

Check this out for a good—although painful at times—laugh:

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man.

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.     ::)

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:02pm:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-two-new-studies-show-mrna URGENT: Two new studies show mRNA-jabbed people have a much higher risk of getting Covid than unvaccinated people Vaccine-driven original antigenic sin: it's real and it's getting worse Alex Berenson Dec 21, 2022 People who have received mRNA Covid vaccines are at least twice as likely to be infected with the coronavirus as unvaccinated people, according to two new papers from researchers in Indiana and Ohio. Worse, the newer of the two studies, which covered Omicron this fall, found risk actually rises with the number of shots. People who had received three or more shots were more than three times as likely to be infected as those who hadn’t received any.

A fact checker looked into his claim:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/scicheck-vaccinated-people-not-more-susceptible-to-covid-19-than-unvaccinated/


Q. Are vaccinated and boosted people more susceptible to infection or disease with the omicron variant than unvaccinated people?

A. No. Getting vaccinated increases your protection against COVID-19.
Sometimes, certain raw data can suggest otherwise,
but that information cannot be used to determine how well a vaccine works.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:37pm:

Vaccines add protection. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection. A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19. Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before. A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

I looked at that study don't know why they allowed garbage like that to be published i don't know why anyone would put their name on it. ;D Did you read this from the link to study?

Quote:

The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus relative to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding or failure to clear the initial viral infection Second, persons who have been vaccinated are possibly less likely to get tested. Finally, this is a retrospective study design using data from a single state during a 2-month period; therefore, these findings cannot be used to infer causation.Additional prospective studies with larger populations are warranted to support these findings.

That study had 738 people the Israeli study had 700,000 people.


Quote:

Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so. September 15, 2021 Marty Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, editor-in-chief of Medpage Today It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science. More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/

The article you cited says more testing with larger groups is required it was done it shows those unvaxxed were 27 times less likely to get second infection compared to vaxxed.

With science when new data proves old theories to be wrong you have to throw the wrong stuff in the garbage. This is one of the basics with science even high school kids should know this. What did Dr Makary say about that?

good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

bobby, we need to be big picture people. north eastern usa is up to 5 vaccines. and its currently experiencing a tidal wave of the new variant africa, where even having a single  vaccine is at only 10 % has virtually no cases. ethiopia, kenya and uganda were offered free vaccines by the WHO but turned them down as they have no cases. i dont know who alex berrenson is. undoubtedly carl will be along shortly to declare him a nut job but if you can look at what is actually happening, you would at least want this investigated. do more vaccines make you more likely to get reinfected. surely that is a somewhat important question. why isnt australia investigating and reporting. could it be you never want to ask a question you wont like the answer to? this may be the case

Places like Africa may not count as people live in such disgusting
unsanitary conditions that weak people have long since died off
leaving only the super strong to face the virus.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there. its from the washington post. we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it. clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support. our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists. the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out . they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

Here is one study mentioned by Dr Makary a Professor at John Hopkins in WaPo article i linked.


Quote:

Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals Now published in Clinical Infectious Diseasesdoi:10.1093/cid/ciac022 Posted June 19, 2021 Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate the necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2. Methods Employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System working in Ohio on Dec 16, 2020, the day COVID-19 vaccination was started, were included. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection over the next five months, among previously infected subjects who received the vaccine, was compared with those of previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated, previously uninfected subjects who received the vaccine, and previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Results Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study. Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full-text

The big problem comes from the Branch Covidians (covidiots) who don't understand science they cite articles that have proven to be wrong and oudated yet think those articles are right because they found them on the internet.

With science when a theory is proven to be wrong it's thrown in the garbage the truth is embraced this is one of the basic fundamentals they don't comprehend.

Quote:

Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion.  It makes sense in that
if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better
conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not
necessarily variants of that virus.

And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals
may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at
worst dead.   

98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated.
[Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer]

It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously
contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination.

It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated
immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer
booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so.

Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year
in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

Quote: Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before. I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion.  It makes sense in that if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not necessarily variants of that virus. And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at worst dead.    98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated. [Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer] It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination. It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so. Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

geff, that 98 % figure is from july 2021, over 18 months ago and at a time many people had just started to get the vaccines AND one vax at that time was still classified as unvaccinated.

playing with statistics

a lot has changed since then .

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

Quote: Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before. I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion.  It makes sense in that if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not necessarily variants of that virus. And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at worst dead.    98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated. [Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer] It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination. It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so. Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

Shell shilo has already adressed this she is 100% correct go back and read her posts.

The vaccination only works with near identical variants. The mrna trains your immune system to recognise spike protein when that spike protein evolves the vaccine doesn't work.

Natural immunity from previous infection recognises the genome of the virus so any evolutionary changes with spike protein which vaccinations have forced with selective pressure will make little difference as your immune sytem recognises the rest of the genome and says we remeber this and fights it.

The newer variants are 90% less deadly than Delta do some research on that, we had a 99.9% survival rate for those under 60 up to Delta variant. Omicron and it's variants aren't going to be a problem for those unvaxxed under 60 who are healthy.

As for your nonsense about 98% of those in ICU are unvaxxed what were the vax rates when that statement was made was it less than 40% in NSW which was higher than any other state with vaccine uptake at that time? Are you quoting old outdated bullshit that is no longer relevant?

NSW health data shows no unvaxxed in ICU for over 8 weeks with 4 unvaxxed in hospital. Those with 4 or more shots have a higher rate compared to anyone with hospital ICU and deaths.
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668373929/33#33

I had a flu shot about 20 years ago haven't had any since. Haven't caught the flu for about 25 years.

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:08pm:

You can find any article, or person, to support any idea you want.

WELL, ain't THAT conspiracy theory 101 !

1. Establish your conspiracy theory

2 Plow through thousands of medicos, bloggers, shock-jocks, "a recent study has found" etc.

3. Highlight the 1 or 2 that AGREE with you



This is NOT "research"

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there. its from the washington post. we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it. clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support. our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists. the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out . they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact:

INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS

Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

CANBERRA

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

(New York, 16 December 1966)

Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976

Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976

AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES

1976 No. 5

Australian Government Publishing Service

Canberra

(c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995

Article 12

1. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.

2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for:

(a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child;

(b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene;

(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;

(d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.

And probably (d) as well.

Anyone?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

At least they're not sociopaths.

Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds

23rd August 2020


Quote:

A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus.

Quote:

The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73. Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences. The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing. But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.

You're not a sociopath are you?  :o

Carl D wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm: they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe At least they're not sociopaths. Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds 23rd August 2020 Quote: A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus. [quote]The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73. Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences. The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing. But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.

You're not a sociopath are you?  :o
[/quote]

WTF has telling people not to wear an ineffective mask got to do with being a sociopath ? It's just common sense.

You must be totally retarded to keep pushing this line.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

Carl D wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 9:23am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm: they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe At least they're not sociopaths. Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds 23rd August 2020 Quote: A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus. [quote]The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73. Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences. The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing. But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures. You're not a sociopath are you?  :o

WTF has telling people not to wear an ineffective mask got to do with being a sociopath ? It's just common sense.

You must be totally retarded to keep pushing this line.
[/quote]

When Australians had a mask on 2,000 died. When Australians took the mask off 15,000 died.

It is fairly obvious.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there. its from the washington post. we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it. clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support. our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists. the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out . they want , so desperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe space for them they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

LOL... There's just so much nonsense in this single post that
it's impossible to even try and refute  any of the multiple,
absurd claims and childish insults... "bedwetters".  How old
are you Aqua?

BTW, could you give us a couple of links that support your claim
that SARS-CoV-2 is nothing more than a "mild" respiratory virus.

I ask this because the virus has killed more than 6,710,000 people
globally and more than 17,300 here in Australia.  If you describe
SARS-CoV-2 as mild, then you have no idea of what you're talking
about...  as usual.

COVID was Australia’s third most common cause of death in 2022.

These are the numbers for the four most common notifiable diseases in Australia:

COVID-19 = more than 471,000 notifications,
Chlamydia = 86,000 notifications,
Campylobacter = 37,000 notifications,
Varicella zoster = 33,000 notifications.

—Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2023

It's pretty clear that despite the bullshit promoted by the rabid
anti-vaxxers on this forum, you are around THREE times more
likely to die if you're unvaccinated.

https://i.postimg.cc/76T1Gsnk/Screenshot-2023-01-07-at-22-12-58-Not-vaccinated-These-are-your-odds-of-needing-intensive-care.png

There is no way that the anti-vaxxers can disprove these accredited
figures—try as they may.  It'll probably give us a laugh to see them
try.    And if one is in ICU, then death can be imminent.

And April 2022 data from the South Australian government reports
that for every 100,000 cases who are unvaccinated, there is a death
rate of 159.71, compared with a death rate of 50 for every 100,000
cases with three or more doses.

        8-)

The allusion of an increase in Vaccinated people catching covid compared to un vaccinated has more to do with well over 90% being vaccinated than any medical difference.

Just because you label an event or belief a conspiracy theory, it doesn't mean that the theory is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7ohtx4IBs

Is it a conspiracy theory that;

the Australian gov. built a Covid-19 quarantine remand center, costing taxpayers $1.5M per week to run? And, costing $580M to build?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mickleham-quarantine-centre-costing-taxpayers-1-5m-per-week-to-stay-open-20220721-p5b3eq.html

the Australian gov. wanted to vaccinate all pets in Australia for Covid-19?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10412279/Australia-soon-vaccinating-pets-against-Covid.html

the Australian gov. recommended that severely ill children 6 months to <5 years be vaccinated with this drug? Especially, those children who were immunocompromised and disabled?
https://www.health.gov.au/news/atagi-recommendations-on-covid-19-vaccine-use-in-children-aged-6-months-to

the Australian gov. required Australians to download tracking apps, and required Australian citizens to carry Covid-19 passports and certificates, as proof of their vaccine status? And, to be used in a number of social settings?
https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/human-rights-considerations-vaccine-passports-and-certificates

the police did arrest/fine people for NOT wearing mask, walking in parks, sunbaking on the beach, or gathering in small groups? And, that they even arrested a pregnant mother in her home, for organizing an anti-lockdown rally on Facebook?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/moment-police-arrest-maskless-man-in-sydney-covid19-hotspot/news-story/558f7b3d136ca6fb302312cf0f45643f
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/three-men-arrested-ahead-of-planned-anti-lockdown-protest-in-victoria

the Australian gov. closed down its national borders to all overseas travelers, who were not Australian citizens or residents?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/australian-government-moves-to-close-borders-as-new-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-rise

If anyone had told me that any of these events would be happening in Australia 3 years ago, I would've called them all CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

The only stats about this flu virus we should be focusing on, are the mortality rate(0.1%), and the survivability/recovery rate(99.9%). Everything else is just theatrics, insinuations, inferences, omissions, and fear-mongering. All to give the political optics of a government in control of a pandemic. And, to justify destroying the dreams, hopes, and freedoms of all Australians. And, almost destroying the entire Australian economy.

How could any rational thinking person looking at 10,130,283 confirmed Covid-19cases, and 10,016,828 confirmed Covid-19 recoveries, conclude that this virus is in anyway more virulent than even the Measles?

https://covid-19-au.com/

The government's biggest mistake, was when it started mandating compliance by the public. And later, started to coerce/force compliance by the public. Once voluntary compliance became compulsory compliance or else, people began to do their own research for the truth. And, the hype soon just didn't fit the reality. No matter how many convoluted ways the fear-mongering narrative was spun by the media, over 98% of all Covid-19 victims were still surviving. Vaccinated or not!

People who claim that mRNA vaccines are better at fighting pathogens, than their own immune system, do NOT understand human physiology, or what vaccines actually do. And, people who believe that man can prevent ANY virus from infecting ANYONE, do NOT understand what a virus is or what it does.

So again, other than telling me what a conspiracy theory is, what specifically IS the conspiracy theory about the SARS-CoV-2 virus and Covid-19? The one that "anti-vaxxers are using?

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

It's pretty clear that despite the bullshit promoted by the rabid anti-vaxxers on this forum, you are around THREE times more likely to die if you're unvaccinated. https://i.postimg.cc/76T1Gsnk/Screenshot-2023-01-07-at-22-12-58-Not-vaccinated-These-are-your-odds-of-needing-intensive-care.png There is no way that the anti-vaxxers can disprove these accredited figures—try as they may.  It'll probably give us a laugh to see them try.    And if one is in ICU, then death can be imminent. And April 2022 data from the South Australian government reports that for every 100,000 cases who are unvaccinated, there is a death rate of 159.71, compared with a death rate of 50 for every 100,000 cases with three or more doses.         8-)

So, does this mean that the deaths of those victims of Covid-19, with UNDER 3 VACCINATIONS were also added in the mix with the unvaccinated? This would be intellectually dishonest. You are artificially inflating the numbers of the true unvaccinated group. Soon, you will be calling those having less than 4 vaccinations, THE UNVACCINATED!

Carl D wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm: good article there. its from the washington post. we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it. clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support. our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists. the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out . they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact: INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5 DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CANBERRA International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (New York, 16 December 1966) Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976 Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976 AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES 1976 No. 5 Australian Government Publishing Service Canberra (c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995 Article 12 1. The States Parties to the present Covenant [b]recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health. 2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for: (a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child; (b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene; (c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases; (d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.[/b] And probably (d) as well. Anyone?

I think that Article 12, number 2 is in direct conflict with number 1. By requiring multiple vaccinations and boosters, you are destroying more and more ACE2 receptor sites, and creating a biochemical imbalance. ACE2 receptor sites act as a metabolic counter-balance, to regulate the levels of all circulating ANG II. This molecule will definitely adversely affect the health of the individual. And must be broken down.   

Therefore, number 2 does NOT "..recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.".

And, the steps that are being taken to stop one disease, may very well be causing other diseases.

Always a pleasure reading your work shell

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 1:33am:

Carl D wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 9:05am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm: good article there. its from the washington post. we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it. clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support. our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists. the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out . they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus). each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact: INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5 DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CANBERRA International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (New York, 16 December 1966) Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976 Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976 AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES 1976 No. 5 Australian Government Publishing Service Canberra (c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995 Article 12 1. The States Parties to the present Covenant [b]recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health. 2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for: (a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child; (b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene; (c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases; (d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.[/b] And probably (d) as well. Anyone? I think that Article 12, number 2 is in direct conflict with number 1. By requiring multiple vaccinations and boosters, you are destroying more and more ACE2 receptor sites, and creating a biochemical imbalance. ACE2 receptor sites act as a metabolic counter-balance, to regulate the levels of all circulating ANG II. This molecule will definitely adversely affect the health of the individual. And must be broken down.    Therefore, number 2 does NOT "..recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.". And, the steps that are being taken to stop one disease, may very well be causing other diseases.

This view is dependant on believing a group of conspiracy theories.

And, it isn't just the Federal government ignoring international covenants that we're a signatory to with regards to SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) it would also seem individual States are also ignoring their own Health Acts.

Here's New South Wales as an example:

Public Health Act 2010 No 127

Current version for 4 October 2022 to date.

Part 1 > Section 3


Quote:

3   Objects         (1)  The objects of this Act are as follows—             (a)  to promote, protect and improve public health,             (b)  to control the risks to public health,             (c)  to promote the control of infectious diseases,             (d)  to prevent the spread of infectious diseases,             (e)  to recognise the role of local government in protecting public health.             (f)  to monitor diseases and conditions affecting public health.         (2)  The protection of the health and safety of the public is to be the paramount consideration in the exercise of functions under this Act.

I'm sure all other Australian States and Territories would say the same thing in their Health Acts.

But, as long as the majority of the population have never seen or read a Health Act our Federal and State/Territory governments can ignore their obligations regarding Public Health (which has now been replaced with "Personal Responsibility") and continue with their "pandemic is over" deceit.

And, if 200+ Australian Covid deaths every week (271 last week) isn't enough to end this deceit then nothing ever will, unfortunately.

Hey Carl the gig is up mate. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvURcpg3JE

https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/sasha-latypova-on-perspective-with-jesse-zurawell-5-january-2023/

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

Hey Carl the gig is up mate. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvURcpg3JE https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/sasha-latypova-on-perspective-with-jesse-zurawell-5-january-2023/

Hey Sir Nail.

This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.

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Carl D wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am: Hey Carl the gig is up mate. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvURcpg3JE https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/sasha-latypova-on-perspective-with-jesse-zurawell-5-january-2023/ Hey Sir Nail. This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.

Hey carl. The gig is up and you've been had. Badluck sucker, you took the faucci venom and I didn't ;)

Carl D wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

I'm sure all other Australian States and Territories would say the same thing in their Health Acts. But, as long as the majority of the population have never seen or read a Health Act our Federal and State/Territory governments can ignore their obligations regarding Public Health (which has now been replaced with "Personal Responsibility") and continue with their "pandemic is over" deceit.

This is just an argument from ignorance. You have no idea if the majority of Australians have read, or even understands their state's Health Act. And, even if every man woman and child, has read and understood their government's obligations regarding the Public Health Acts, JUST HOW FAR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO IN DRAFTING AND ACTIONING PUBLIC HEALTH POLICIES AND PROTOCOLS? To the letter?

How much of our personal freedoms, liberties, security, privacy, and basic right to happiness, would you be willing to sacrifice for the "greater Good"? Especially, for a disease that is less lethal than the Measles? A disease with a mortality rate of 0.1%?

How many jobs would you be willing to end? How many "non-essential"(??) businesses would you be willing to close down? How many of our job industries would you be willing to destroy? How many vaccinations and boosters would you say would be enough? And, just how long would you be willing to keep Australia isolated from the rest of the world?

What penalties would you impose of those who were not compliant? How would you prevent a virus, that is neither dead or alive, and smaller than the wavelength of visible light, from infecting anyone? Would you become a neoliberal medical fascist? Or, would you have the courage to  challenge medical education orthodoxy, that may be the driving force behind millions of premature deaths?

In the 1,080 days of this "pandemic", the average daily deaths over this period is 16 deaths. This represents only 3% of ALL deaths in Australia per day. 97% of all daily deaths are from other causes. So cherry-picking and highlighting the stats from a specific week, is just being intellectually dishonest. People might think that these stats are the norm, when you omit context. I'm sure that there were weeks where there were much fewer deaths, right? How many cases, and how many recoveries happened during that week?

Also, the average number of daily cases over this pandemic period is 10.4K cases. This means that on any given day, only 0.03% of the Australian population was infected. Or, that 99.3% of the population was NOT infected.


Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

This view is dependant on believing a group of conspiracy theories.

How do you objectively know that this claim is true? Supposition? Again, what ARE these conspiracy theories that you keep claiming? And, are these conspiracies true or false? And, why?

I believe that our natural immune system is more than capable of protecting us from any serios illness, or even dying from the SARS-CoV-2 virus infection. Before vaccines were available, there was a little over 900 deaths(909). How many deaths today? You're claiming that by taking an artificially-lab-created "counter-measure", indefinitely, that it will protect us in the same way!! This is an extraordinary claim. You now have the burden of proof. 

Again, it is only the mortality and recovery rates that are important in determining the virulency of this virus. NOT THE NUMBER OF CASES! A disease where 99.9% of its victims recover, should not have reached this level of cult status. And, considering that not all of the 99.9% of victims were in the best of health, this would indicate that you might need to be nearly-dead already, to succumb to this virus. IMHO

It is also pure arrogance, to believe that we humans can control and manipulate the basic functions of our own internal systems. Without causing any adverse consequences. We would need to be even MORE arrogant to claim that we can stop a virus from infecting us. One would need to be either profoundly gullible, biologically illiterate, cognitively challenged, or all of the above, to believe either claims.

The only thing worse than having no prior knowledge on this subject, is having just a little! 

Carl D wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am: Hey Carl the gig is up mate. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvURcpg3JE https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/sasha-latypova-on-perspective-with-jesse-zurawell-5-january-2023/ Hey Sir Nail. This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.

You do realize that doctors can't cure anything. It is the body that cures and heals itself. Doctors can only at best ASSIST in the body's own healing process.

doctors and hospitals run a "sick care ' system and they should stop calling it health care

its great if you are in a car accident or need a stent for a heart attack or your appendix taken out.

but for 90 % of interactions people have , we are looking at chronic disease and the sick care system has very little to offer these people.

you can have the government subsidise extremely expensive cholesterol drugs and diabetes drugs and blood pressure drugs but you are painting over rust.

if people dont eat a good diet (no porcessed foods)
exercise ( 20,000 steps a day  , like everyone walked a century ago)
and get a good nights sleep

then they are going to get a chronic disease and big pharma and the doctors and the system are going to farm them the way i farm cows.

you are just another chode to make a profit off.

mcdonalds in nearly every hospital in america
gyms and beaches and national parks closed for lockdowns but
bottle shops and donut shops kept open.

once you realise that the system and the politicians care nought for your health you might just adopt some personal responsibility

carl sees this as a dirty word

he thinks albo and pfizer are going to look after his health from cradle to grave

if you think that you need a psychiatrist