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General Discussion >> Aboriginal Affairs >> Historical fish collection sheds light http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1669772621 Message started by Brian Ross on Nov 30th, 2022 at 11:43am |
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Title: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Nov 30th, 2022 at 11:43am |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Nov 30th, 2022 at 12:01pm
Good Grief!! More PascoeLighting...
Nice piccies of fish - nice piccie of the White Abo sheila getting her Ph.D for this... FFS .... who ever said they didn't trap fish? As in - So What? So much money and time spent on this nonsense - all it was - was a simple way of catching fish... Show Me The Sheds!! Not one word about SHEDS there... apart from the headline. No sheds, eh? It 'sheds light' .... well - buggar me - they trapped fish!!!!! I'm astounded!!! |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Gnads on Nov 30th, 2022 at 1:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 11:43am:
;D |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Nov 30th, 2022 at 2:29pm
How many Abos does it take to catch a fish in a trap built of sand and stones?
Just one - then an entire parade of earnest historians out to make their names Pascoe Style to vamp it up into a major operating and trading industry ... |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Captain Caveman on Nov 30th, 2022 at 2:33pm
Bears in America catch fish that are trapped in ponds.
They learnt it off the abo apparently. ;D ;D ;D Cmon race baiter/antagonist... Start yawning.... Tsk tsk tsk. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Nov 30th, 2022 at 2:57pm
they also rape and murder children and used to eat them
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Nov 30th, 2022 at 3:11pm Boris wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 2:57pm:
No evidence of them doing that, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Nov 30th, 2022 at 4:31pm
rape and murder?
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Nov 30th, 2022 at 5:09pm Boris wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 4:31pm:
You really are dense, aren't you, Matty? No evidence of Cannibalism after the ~1940s. Funny how you don't understand simple English. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Nov 30th, 2022 at 6:25pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 11:43am:
;D ;D ;D ;D So YOU, Bbwian, so you!!] Key points: Historic fish traps built by the Menang Noongar people on WA's south coast are thought to be 7,000 years old In 1839, European explorer Robert Neill ventured to Albany and collected fish specimens The 180-year-old dried fish have since been displayed at both the Natural History Museum in London and the National Museum of Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Johnnie on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:02pm
So what we have here is a dead fish, a rock pool and some Abbos in the vicinity, this is proof positive that the Abbos once had culture.
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:12pm Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 5:09pm:
NT Rules = is no body - is no murder ...... |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Gordon on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:13pm |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Gordon on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:31pm |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Johnnie on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:41pm
The Abbos evolved lazy because they inhabited the land of plenty, meat hopping past, oysters a plenty etc, why do anything when you don't have to and this tradition/culture continues to this day.
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Gordon on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:48pm Johnnie wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
Which is Abosolutley fine. I see them no inherently different to any other homo-sapiens and their culture has been shaped by their circumstances. It's just too funny how the left lauds them as noble savages. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 1st, 2022 at 4:47am Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
Well - it can't become a paid lifestyle choice - this being an Abo.... never been a job description.....oh, the hypocrisy of the Gillardists - 'single parenting must never be considered a lifestyle choice' ... and yet here we go with this 'pay the rent by other means' being pushed by both 'sides' of The Tag Team... and the advocacy that simply being Aboriginal should be a paid lifestyle choice.... which is what they want... Hands up all those who are happy to pay the rent out of your own pockets..... because that's what you will be doing... as I said - I'm happy to set up a fund raiser so you can contribute...... my costs are minimal... |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 1st, 2022 at 6:45pm
Blacks On the Rampage... in Novosti today.... a gang in Perth attacked a car - threw a piece of concrete through a window and hit a woman 5 months pregnant in the head - she is expected to die momentarily and her baby with her. They are Aboriginals.... they knew the perps and it was a targeted attack over some silly dispute.
Historical fish my arse.... savages ..... throw the book at them.... |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Gnads on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:50am Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 1st, 2022 at 6:45pm:
Still killing their own..... woman & baby have died - charges have been upgraded apparently neither party knew each other https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/pregnant-woman-and-her-baby-fighting-for-life-after-alleged-rock-attack-at-shopping-centre-carpark/news-story/a5f7d53fb6a33c5eb39db8baf251c210 |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:09am Gnads wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 6:50am:
Ah - yesterday they said they were known to one another. Bloody idiots. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Captain Caveman on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:32am
Bloody disgusting.
Also disgusting that brain or his ilk will not condem the attack. No, they'll come back with a story of a white person instead, as an attempted deflection away from the actual topic of conversation. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:43am Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:32am:
Wait for the traditional - "It's all down to Invasion destroying their culture..." .. as I said to dividie - this IS the culture. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 1:12pm Gnads wrote on Nov 30th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
My reaction, too. SOOOOOO Bbwianesque. https://youtu.be/T8XeDvKqI4E |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Kat on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 2:11pm
What a deplorable bunch of racists you lot are!
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 2:38pm Kat wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 2:11pm:
I identify as caring and nurturing. You must accept it. https://twitter.com/Mikasa08962717/status/1585585494217424902 |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:23pm Kat wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 2:11pm:
But the rape, murder and eating of children is a good thing right? And the people who rape, murder and eat children must be treated as superior and given a Voice to Parliament right? |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Captain Caveman on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:26pm Kat wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Are aboriginies racist too? |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:44pm Boris wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really are a racist fool, Matty. You have been warned many times - there is no evidence that Indigenous Australians "eat children" or each other. Absolutely none. Your efforts to keep repeating this lie are stupid and foolish. Stop it, immediately! Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:07pm
There is overwhelming evidence
In hard summers the new-born child¬ ren seem to be all eaten in the Kaura tribe — A. W. Howitt infered this from remarkable gaps that appeared in the ages of the children.3 4 * 6 7 It even came to that, as in the Birria tribe during the years 1876 — ’77, in the drought, not only were all the infants devoured, but even the younger grown children.1 However, in some tribes this practice appeared, even in a normal period, not to be so very rare. At least, if the gossip that circulated among the tribes were to be believed, cannibalism was even more extensive than we suppose. For instance, one tribe relates of another that it marks at birth those infants which are to be eaten later on;'1 again, the children of some women were always killed and eaten as soon as they got fat enough.3 According to Machattie, a tribe numbering 250 souls when the Europeans came, during six years ate seven children, i.e., about 5% of its whole population.' Sometimes the eating of children was the result of superstition — a mother restored her health with the blood or flesh of her own child. It is perhaps from such a reason that the practices of the Polish peasants in the dis¬ trict of Tykocin originate: if the woman’s pains in her confine¬ ment do not cease, she is given “navel-drink,” i. e., a glass of vodka, with which is mingled a thimbleful of blood from the navel and to which some salt is also added.1 3. We must ultimately arrive at the conclusion that even a small but constant and general increase in the population of Aus¬ tralia was almost out of . the question. But the great mortality of children (and infanticide) was not the sole cause of this, as the following review of the influences at work will show: a) A young girl, often very young and hardly out of child¬ hood, would he given to a husband who in many cases would be considerably older than she. In Tasmania, a gray-headed old man possessed three wives aged respectively thirty, seventeen and ten years.2 Such families probably were by no means uncommon in Australia. In many cases the difference in age between husband and wife was so great that it necessarily had to react adversely on the fertility of the woman. Again with the early marriage of a girl, especially if the husband were an old man, the first child was often weak and frail and so was doomed to an early death under Australian conditions. b) The conditions of life in Australia caused early and pre¬ mature senility to appear amongst the women: they would became mothers at a very early age but would usually relatively early cease to bear children. An Australian woman would be fertile for an average period of about fifteen years, and probably only very rarely was this period extended to twenty years. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:17pm
But you do know they rape and murder children right?
Graham Davis used some previously unaired footage of Fred Hollows, filmed in 1992 when HIV-AIDS loomed as a key problem in the outback. Hollows was going public about the practice of elders in some tribes sodomising boys during the course of initiation. Davis asked: "Does that mean Aborigines ought to be told not to do it?" Hollows replied: "Yes, of course. What else am I going to say? Do it and die?" Using the plain-spoken Hollows to ventilate a matter the politically correct would rather no one talked about was a deft touch on Davis's part, in an exemplary cover story. Although no other media, as far as I can tell, picked up on the sexual element in initiation ceremonies, no doubt it gave an added edge to the debate that raged, in and out of federal parliament, all through the week on the role of customary law. ..... In 1992 Fred Hollows was filmed talking about the practice of Aboriginal elders in some remote communities sodomising boys during initiations, and he complained about the HIV infections. The footage was aired only recently (mid-2000s). Nowra says, “It is highly probable his comments were considered too inflammatory and regarded as culturally insensitive.” |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:31pm There is no evidence that modern day Indigenous Australians engaged in Cannibalism, now is there, Matty? Wake up to yourself and stop spreading lies. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:39pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:31pm:
So WHEN did they stop (b)eating their wives, Bbwian? And why? |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:55pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:39pm:
Boring, Soren. So, when did you stop murdering Jews? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:00pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:55pm:
:D :D :D Fuqqq off you ignorant, smug/shifty vain old puffer fish. Just fuqqq off. Denmark was the only occupied country that actively resisted the Nazi regime's attempts to deport its Jewish citizens. On September 28, 1943, Georg Ferdinand Duckwitz, a German diplomat, secretly informed the Danish resistance that the Nazis were planning to deport the Danish Jews. The Danes responded quickly, organizing a nationwide effort to smuggle the Jews by sea to neutral Sweden. Warned of the German plans, Jews began to leave Copenhagen, where most of the almost 8,000 Jews in Denmark lived, and other cities, by train, car, and on foot. With the help of the Danish people, they found hiding places in homes, hospitals, and churches. Within a few weeks, fishermen helped ferry some 7,200 Danish Jews and 680 non-Jewish family members to safety across the narrow body of water separating Denmark from Sweden. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:06pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:00pm:
What a shame that you follow the Nazi ideals, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:21pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:06pm:
Oooohhhh.... Bbwian strikes out from his wheelchair and shows just how sharp he imagines himself even after being Bbwian for 60 years and being a stroke patient. You are ridiculous, Pecksniff. The only predictable thing about you, old fool, is that you will ALWAYS, like the Russians, will respond with some completely unpredictable stupidity. You are very reliable that way, being unexpectedly and unpredictably stupid. Check your DNA, you may have far more Russian in you than you realise. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by AusGeoff on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:30pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:00pm:
No citation Frank? Hardly original thoughts mate. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-rescue-of-danish-jews And you may as well give up with the puerile insults that you invariably add to all your responses. They make your arguments look even weaker than they already are. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:50pm
All this over a few dead fish? Imagine if it had been a whale......
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 8:23pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:21pm:
Such childishness, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 8:55pm
"I say, MCardie - is that fish stuffed?"
"Well - it wouldn't be here unless it was stuffed.... but I reckon he's got a couple of hours work in him yet..." |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:33am AusGeoff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 5:30pm:
:D One shifty smug Bbwian is more than enough, pal. Don't call us, we'll call you if/when you are needed. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:17am
They had electric light in those sheds? Who'd 've thunk that? Plugged in electric eels?
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:25am Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:31pm:
So you accept they were Cannibals - good - they were Stone Age Cannibals - that is true. So when did they actually stop? So why are they so important? |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:04pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:31pm:
Here is evidence of Aboriginal Cannibalism in my lifetime the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’. Carl-Georg Christoph Freiherr von Brandenstein (10 October 1909 – 8 January 2005) was a German linguist who took up the study of Australian Aboriginal languages. Australian work on Aboriginal languages Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar.: 321–335 His major contribution consisted in challenging the use of the term and concept of totem adopted throughout anthropology from an original Ojibwa word, and widely used in kinship analysis. For Brandenstein, an etymological approach indicated that the majority of 'totemic' terms could be traced back to the vocabulary for human and animal bodies, and temperamental qualities. In short, identity was not reducible to belonging to one or another segmentary division of a tribe, but involved far more concrete traits. Throughout the Australian totemic system he believed he could isolate a logic, which in its fullest form, evinced 8 combinations of three paired terms of primary properties. Two totems in a binary tribal moiety could be shown to each involve a set of up to 20 features that could be distributed as traits over all human and non-human members of each of the two groups. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:06pm
Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar.
Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:20pm No evidence of Cannibalism by modern day Indigenous Australians, Matty. You seem unable to understand English. Is it your second language? Does it need to be spelt out in single syllables for you? Are you really this foolish? Are you intellectually disabled? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Frank on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 6:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:20pm:
What about rape, violence, murder, drug and alcohol abuse, child neglect and sexual abuse, malnutrition, tribal conflict and tribal payback, criminality, recidivism, unemployability, disdain for education, work, cleanliness, orderliness, foul behaviour and never taking responsibility for any of it, blaming their own behaviour on others who dies long, long ago. Yawn and tut tut at that, helmet. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:46pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 12:20pm:
1960 to 1990 is modern times Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar. Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:07pm Boris wrote on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 9:46pm:
So where is the evidence, Matty? Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 3rd, 2022 at 10:37pm
1960 to 1990 is modern times
Brandenstein's field work lasted some three decades, beginning in the 1960s. He initially concentrated on the languages of Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara area of Western Australia, and then gathered recordings and made analyses of southern tribal languages such as Ngadjumaya and Noongar. Documented Cannibalism from the 60s to the 90s the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’. The Linguist von Brandenstein who worked with these people for 30 years was an eye witness and spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’." So that is from 1960 to 1990 from an eminent scholar... But according to you it never happened. Because you know better - you just know it never happened - ever |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 4th, 2022 at 12:18pm
Dr C.G. von Brandenstein did not document any Cannibalism amogst Indigenous Australians, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Boris on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:05pm
the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.
The Linguist von Brandenstein who worked with these people for 30 years was an eye witness and spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’." So that is from 1960 to 1990 from an eminent scholar... But according to you it never happened. |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by Brian Ross on Dec 4th, 2022 at 3:50pm Dr C.G. von Brandenstein did not document any Cannibalism amogst Indigenous Australians, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Historical fish collection sheds light Post by The Grappler on Dec 5th, 2022 at 12:14am
Does that one light that shed light on those sheds still work? Did they pass it around or - like - only use one shed at a time?
Who'd 've thunk Abo fishers had sheds!!!??? |
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