How many times have we been told that "Covid vaccines may cause myocarditis, but Covid itself causes myocarditis too"

Turns out that's probably not the case.

A new large-scale Israeli study of 196,992 unvaccinated adults after [testing positive for] Covid showed that “Covid infection was not associated with either myocarditis or pericarditis.”

Read the full paper, published in the Journal of Clinical Medicine here:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/


CONCLUSION

Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19.

ITS THE VAX.

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/0G67GhMHwZmedkiyOJ3hYdbP6Ug=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/aliens1-5ad5062f3037130037462d1c.jpg

Quote:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

Myocarditis is more common after severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination......


Conclusions:
Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

Results:

SARS-CoV-2 Infection–Associated Myocarditis

There was an increased risk of myocarditis in the 1 to 28 days after a SARS-CoV-2–positive test, which was higher if infection occurred before vaccination (IRR, 11.14 [95% CI, 8.64–14.36]) than in vaccinated individuals (IRR, 5.97 [95% CI, 4.54–7.87]).

I don't have time to read that whole report but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "ITS THE VAX" anywhere in it.  ::)

Carl D wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 10:48pm:

I don't have time to read that whole report but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "ITS THE VAX" anywhere in it.  ::)

No it doesn't. All it is saying is that based on a very small sample size the control group had about the same number of cases of Myocarditis or Pericarditis as the test group.

The numbers were something like 9 and 11 cases.

The study I posted is much larger and came to a different conclusion.

There was an increased risk of myocarditis in the 1 to 28 days after a SARS-CoV-2–positive test, which was higher if infection occurred before vaccination

Behold we have another stooge and his name is Dnarerver or some sh*t.

Lets get some facts from your trusted Fact Checking source Reuters shall we.

The number of people involved in the Israel study was 196,992.

The number of people involved in the original Pfizer study was....wait for it.....46,331.

Astra Zeneca......wait for it......23,848.

More people go to a football game than they tested the vaccine on. And then promptly jammed it into about 6 billion idiots.  :D :D

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccines-clinical-trials-idUSKBN2A22D3

Now we all know Reuters lie and you 4 idiots lie about everything you post on here. I think you are all just trolls because normal intelligence suggests that you cannot be this stupid.

Now you stupid idiot the last time I checked 196,992 is about 4 times greater than 46,331.

So they checked more people for myocarditis and pericarditis than Pfizer and Astra Zeneca combined in their vaccine trials.

So you took a vaccine, for a disease that has a 99.99% survival rate that was tested on a population the size of Hawthorn? Sound judgment expressed by a complete idiot who believed the people dropping dead on the street were dying on the spot from Covid. You dumb arse.

I have to find a name for you Dnarver or whatever you call yourself as you are very quickly surpassing the other 3 idiots as the most stupid person on here.

Roll up your sleeve and as Bill Gates says we just jam it straight into their arms, we just shoot it straight in there.

Well they are dropping dead on the street now but its not from Covid.

:D :D :D :D :D

It's the VAX and you took it.

Carl D wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 10:48pm:

I don't have time to read that whole report but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "ITS THE VAX" anywhere in it.  ::)

Hey Dunce.

You can't read you can only make up lies.

Where is the link that the Australian Government said Covid is mild and no more dangerous than the flu and that the pandemic is now over.

It does not exist does it because you are a LIAR.

reggie1963 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 7:21am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 10:48pm: I don't have time to read that whole report but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "ITS THE VAX" anywhere in it.  ::) Hey Dunce. You can't read you can only make up lies. Where is the link that the Australian Government said Covid is mild and no more dangerous than the flu and that the pandemic is now over. It does not exist does it because you are a LIAR.

Instead he is more focussed trying to prove that you are me in an effort to distract people away from his untruths and big pharma propaganda. ;)

reggie1963 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Read the full paper, published in the Journal of Clinical Medicine here:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/ CONCLUSION Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19.

The pharmaphiles were blaming myocarditis and pericarditis on covid this study shows they're wrong.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

reggie1963 wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 10:20pm: Read the full paper, published in the Journal of Clinical Medicine here:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/ CONCLUSION Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19. The pharmaphiles were blaming myocarditis and pericarditis on covid this study shows they're wrong.

If memory serves, increased myocarditis and pericarditis were attributed to the non-Oxford vaccines, not covid.

No longer?

But....

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But....

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1590873098060201985


Quote:

Sadly, COVID-19 itself has been associated with an increase in out of hospital cardiac arrest and sudden deaths in young people.

A one liner from twitter. Surely you can do better than that carl :D LOL

reggie1963 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 7:17am:

Behold we have another stooge and his name is Dnarerver or some sh*t. Lets get some facts from your trusted Fact Checking source Reuters shall we. The number of people involved in the Israel study was 196,992. The number of people involved in the original Pfizer study was....wait for it.....46,331. Astra Zeneca......wait for it......23,848. More people go to a football game than they tested the vaccine on. And then promptly jammed it into about 6 billion idiots.  :D :D https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccines-clinical-trials-idUSKBN2A22D3 Now we all know Reuters lie and you 4 idiots lie about everything you post on here. I think you are all just trolls because normal intelligence suggests that you cannot be this stupid. Now you stupid idiot the last time I checked 196,992 is about 4 times greater than 46,331. So they checked more people for myocarditis and pericarditis than Pfizer and Astra Zeneca combined in their vaccine trials. So you took a vaccine, for a disease that has a 99.99% survival rate that was tested on a population the size of Hawthorn? Sound judgment expressed by a complete idiot who believed the people dropping dead on the street were dying on the spot from Covid. You dumb arse. I have to find a name for you Dnarver or whatever you call yourself as you are very quickly surpassing the other 3 idiots as the most stupid person on here. Roll up your sleeve and as Bill Gates says we just jam it straight into their arms, we just shoot it straight in there. Well they are dropping dead on the street now but its not from Covid. :D :D :D :D :D It's the VAX and you took it.

The numbers in the analysis I provided the link for:

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In 42 842 345 people receiving at least 1 dose of vaccine, 21 242 629 received 3 dose

This is what I meant by a small study:


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The number of people involved in the Israel study was 196,992.

The Link I provided used numbers like this:


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In 42 842 345 people receiving at least 1 dose of vaccine, 21 242 629 received 3 dose

Yes a little under 43 Million people.


This is the number of Myocarditis or Pericarditis cases your study's result depends on: (from the link to your report)


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Nine post-COVID-19 patients developed myocarditis (0.0046%), and eleven patients were diagnosed with pericarditis (0.0056%).

These are not the type of robust numbers needed to come to any conclusion.

You made it sound like the numbers in your test were impressive but not so when you are dealing with a problem impacting 0.002% of patients.

Another righty I would assume who is strong on insults but deficient in fact.

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In short when you look at 100,000 odd people you get no discernable difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated with  Myocarditis or Pericarditis.

When you increase the sample to over 20 Million you see that more unvaxed have a problem with Myocarditis or Pericarditis than vaxed.

Carl D wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 10:48pm:

I don't have time to read that whole report but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "ITS THE VAX" anywhere in it.

I actually took the time to read the report, and the only mention of any vaccine
was inconsequential;  "In the current large population study of subjects, who were
not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, we observed no increase in the incidence of
myocarditis or pericarditis from day 10 after positive SARS-CoV-2".

The referenced study included only subjects of Arab, Bedouin, and Jewish ethnicity,
which of course is known to skew results globally.

No statistical difference in the incidence rate of both myocarditis and pericarditis 
was observed between the COVID-19 cohort and the control cohort.

At no point was the claim that any vaccines caused myocarditis and pericarditis made
in the report—which was focussed solely on "long COVID".

This is typical of the willful misrepresentation of medical facts posted by the anti-vaxxer
fraternity—and people here like Reggie.      Their desperate claims made in order to
support their absurd, unevidenced beliefs can safely be ignored.

In fact, Reggie is obviously unable to provide any link proving that COVID vaccinations
causes  myocarditis or pericarditis in healthy individuals without any pre-existing and/or
contributing medical conditions.

reggie1963 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 7:17am:

... More people go to a football game than they tested the vaccine on. And then promptly jammed it into about 6 billion idiots.  Now we all know Reuters lie and you 4 idiots lie about everything you post on here. I think you are all just trolls because normal intelligence suggests that you cannot be this stupid.

ROFLMAO!   I'm actually having difficulties accepting that anti-vaxxers such as Reggie
can be so clinically and statistically illiterate—or even so lacking in common sense!

And the hysterical flood of personal insults directed at others here only reinforces just
how ill-informed is Reggie—in fact they effectively prove he's been backed into a corner
with nowhere to go. 

He's claimed in the past that Reuters is an unreliable source, but is unable to provide
even one iota of viable evidence supporting this absurd claim.

So Reggie... I hereby challenge you to prove Reuters "lies"  —as you claim.

Who cares about reuters.

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Another dead parrot !!

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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

Another dead parrot...

https://i.postimg.cc/s2Qhw6W8/Screenshot-2022-11-10-23-41-20-87-0b342c26d6c44f3c8d2de40eabb4e1da-1-1.jpg

LOL...

So someone dies EIGHTEEN months after getting the vaccine, but
amazingly you conflate the jab with someone falling off the perch. 

Your limits of imaginative story telling know no bounds.

Please read my lips mate:  Correlation does not imply causation.

—You're welcome.     ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 7:36pm:

A one liner from twitter. Surely you can do better than that carl :D LOL

But wait... there's more.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LettersfromTim/status/1591002979154669569 (and then scroll up).


Quote:

We’ve all done the screen capture Andrew For the class action

Bring it on (the class actions).

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Twitter again :D LOL

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 10:43pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 10:29pm: Another dead parrot... https://i.postimg.cc/s2Qhw6W8/Screenshot-2022-11-10-23-41-20-87-0b342c26d6c44f3c8d2de40eabb4e1da-1-1.jpg LOL... So someone dies EIGHTEEN months after getting the vaccine, but amazingly you conflate the jab with someone falling off the perch.  Your limits of imaginative story telling know no bounds. Please read my lips mate:  Correlation does not imply causation. —You're welcome.     ;)

well you don't have much time do you and even less with jab number 5. Better get your affairs in order ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12^th, 2022 at 8:06am:

Twitter again :D LOL

Says the person who was posting several screenshots from Twitter and other social media yesterday.  ::)

Anyway, I'll be watching what happens with that admission from NSW Health that "Sadly, COVID-19 itself has been associated with an increase in out of hospital cardiac arrest and sudden deaths in young people" because that's also an admission that the NSW government and no doubt every State government in Australia (and, of course the Federal government) were/are also aware ot it but they've done nothing to try and stop the spread of Covid and the entry of new variants into the country.

In fact, they've all done the exact opposite and removed all of our Covid protections like masks, testing, quarantine, etc.

I knew it was only a matter of time before one of our governments (or their health departments) slipped up with making an admission like that.

I can just see the lawyers 'sharpening their knives' getting ready for class action lawsuits. And it's about time.

Carl D wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 5:56pm:

But.... https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1590873098060201985 Quote: Sadly, COVID-19 itself has been associated with an increase in out of hospital cardiac arrest and sudden deaths in young people.

NSW was over 95% vaxxed.

At least NSW health have noted this increase in cardiac arrests and sudden deaths with yung people. I should note public servants need permission from government when talking to media so in effect they're gagged with what they can say.

The Israelis were given priority with Pfizer they promised to give data on this vaccine.

The Israeli study showed pericarditis and myocarditis didn't happen with unvaxxed who caught the kung flu.

Two truths cannot contradict each other can we trust the Israeli study or our lying politicians?

Why did we give immunity to big pharma with their vaccines?

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 11^th, 2022 at 10:43pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 10:29pm: Another dead parrot... https://i.postimg.cc/s2Qhw6W8/Screenshot-2022-11-10-23-41-20-87-0b342c26d6c44f3c8d2de40eabb4e1da-1-1.jpg LOL... So someone dies EIGHTEEN months after getting the vaccine, but amazingly you conflate the jab with someone falling off the perch.  Your limits of imaginative story telling know no bounds. Please read my lips mate:  Correlation does not imply causation. —You're welcome.     ;)

Not only do these poorly educated anti-vaxxers not understand what that sentence means, they don't even understand the individual words.

You're wasting your time with these flat-earthers.