Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:44am
Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm:
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Minister for Refugee Final Solution,
Prime Minister for Squandered Opportunities
Late Minister for Children Overboard
one and ALL !
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General Discussion >> Federal Politics >> Peter Reith has died at age 72. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1667902601 Message started by Aussie on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm |
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Title: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Aussie on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm
The lying prick can get fuqqed. May he rot in Hell for his atrocious lies, and soon enough his mate Hayseed will join him there.
Link. Yeah, harsh I know, but he deserves it. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Frank on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:36pm Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm:
Fuqqn hell, you ARE deformed, arse. Hideous stinker. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gordon on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:37pm
Did Peter Reith ever enter a school and pin a kid to a tree?
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:38pm Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm:
Wasn't he the one who sent in vicious dogs to bite union members? |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by aquascoot on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:53pm
good chap, strong , principled, stoic, able to make tough choices.
one of the good guys |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:02pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:38pm:
Yup. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:02pm
The confirmed reports from the officer on the spot at the time were that there were no children overboard... now it's saying that refugee claimants were 'threatening' to throw children overboard... anfd again such a report from the front was never made..
Anyway - it was never based on a single solid thing... and when the SAS were heli-dropped on the decks they were scratching their heads wondering why they were there giving basic medical checks and minor treatment and food and such to kids when there was supposed to be some big international crisis. HowardCo always were fantasists... anything to push the party line.... Aussie is right here. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:20pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:02pm:
It was at the wharves - many workers went to hospital from their injuries. Peter Reith should have gone to jail for it but nothing happened. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:21pm Frank wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
1. I have no idea why Aussie posted what he did. 2. Aussie has shown ME that HE is a lying hypocrite because it's a well known fact that Aussie doesn't believe in God or Heaven or Hell. 3. Peter Reith died at age 72 after a long battle with Alzheimer's. It's a horrible and vile way to die. Being there watching him die would have been very traumatic for his wife and children. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:28pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:20pm:
WTF are you talking about? You do realise we're talking union thugs which held Australia to ransom ... yeah? Peter Reith stood up to these pricks and instituted reform because they were out of control thugs who thought they could always call the shots! He's a bloody legend! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:32pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:53pm:
Yep. He was always allocated the tough jobs which required making tough decisions. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:09pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:28pm:
History V2 revision 1 ? |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:17pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:28pm:
Yes - and now they're part-time casuals and struggling to pay their mortgages and raise their families while the bosses and the shareholders romp in the warm sun ... And Labor just abandoned its own again by playing the charade of 'compromising' over their industry wide agreement policy... on the totally unproven and unprovable and historically incorrect basis that it would cost jobs and cause strikes... What a Load Of Codswallop! Look at the train dispute...... did industry wide negotiation cause that? Or was it government recalcitrance to come to the table and deal fairly? https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/industrial-disputes-australia/latest-release Now - who's going to tell me that industry wide negotiations over agreements are going to cause more industrial trouble? What causes industrial trouble is stupid management suffering from the delusion that they can stand over workers and impose whatever they want...... Then look at the number of companies before the courts for breaching pay rates and such even under their agreements that advantage them... No workers - no economy - no economy - all your perks die .... and not before time... your rental properties turn to dust..... your shares become toilet paper...... Get with the real world. Just go back to a full Award system and all the troubles vanish in a heartbeat.... and guess why..... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 8th, 2022 at 10:33pm
The Waterfront dispute was one of the most disgraceful actions conspired between the employer and Government. People should have gone to prison over this one.
The government were openly horrified when the shell employment company setup under financed went broke 3 months before they were meant to. This meant that the lockouts were set in motion in May of 1998 instead of around October which would have made it the perfect election stunt as was planned and intended. Peter Reith's name was connected to the very worst aspects of the arrangements that set this up. The outcome of the dispute is not what most people believe. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:06pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:28pm:
But Lisa, union members were viciously mauled by dogs. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:10pm
Absolute nonsense! I must say I'm quite shocked at what I'm reading here tonight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Australian_waterfront_dispute We are talking CFMEU type Union here! Thugs! Stand over men! Lazy sods who hardly worked and yet had the nerve to demand unbelievable wages and conditions for doing SFA! And they had been getting away with it for decades. Australia's performance level on the waterfront was abysmally inefficient ... to the point where it had adversely affected our reputation with our trading partners! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:28pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:06pm:
What are you talking about? No they weren't! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:32pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:28pm:
I remember one union member recounting the story on TV. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:39pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:32pm:
Nope. Nothing here that i I could find on such a dog attack |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:40pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:10pm:
It's ridiculous to even begin to discuss inefficient operations from the POV that it is the worker's fault - they have little to no power or control over the way things are done. As for such nonsenses as 'feather bedding' - look at the politicians and managers who receive an extra dose of cash and perks just for being possibly available some time to take over from someone else who is away for any reason. Sorry - it doesn't work that way - being the boss doesn't entitle you to better treatment and perks than those who do the work. MANY a company has destroyed itself by promoting this feudal baron style of silliness long outdated in any civilised modern society. Business and economies are a symbiotic relationship - and if one side deliberately poisons the other, both die. Reith was nothing more than the perfect example of the totally deluded ideologue who did his master's bidding without any real idea or thought himself....well DUH! Easy - just return to a full Award system and nobody can whine that things are no good.... would pharken stabilise inflation and the economy, too for a start, since wage costs and industrial relations would be more predictable... and the rules so much more simple and easy to follow instead of trying to rort your way around them ..... I cannot train fools.... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by whiteknight on Nov 9th, 2022 at 5:49am
9 Nov 2022 New Daily
Mr Reith had already overseen major changes to industrial law, after proving an able negotiator with the Australian Democrats in the Senate, when he backed Patrick Corporation’s 1998 challenge to the powerful Maritime Union of Australia. It involved a secret attempt to train a scab labor force in Dubai, lock-outs and pickets, heavies in balaclavas with snarling dogs, dubious financial manoeuvres and legal challenges all the way to the High Court. >:( |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 9th, 2022 at 6:01am
https://melbourneunitarian.org.au/files/beacons/Beacon-2020-11.pdf
In order to understand the propaganda being disseminated by Patrick Corporation and the federal government around the waterside dispute in Sydney, it is important to recall the last time Patrick Corporation decided to take on the union. There were hard-to-forget tactics used by this company against its workers then. Cast your minds back to 1998, when that company decided to sack its entire waterside workforce. Remember the hooded thugs, the vicious dogs, the lockout, the scabs imported to take the place of unionised workers? Do you also recall the generous support offered by the then Minister for Industrial Relations in the Howard government, Peter Reith, in all of this illegal activity? The Australian waterfront dispute of 1998 was an event in Australian industrial relations history, in which the Patrick Corporation undertook a restructuring of their operations for the purpose of dismissing their workforce. The restructuring by Patrick Corporation was later ruled illegal by Australian courts. – ABC news report on the Waterfront Dispute, April 1998 |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Redmond Neck on Nov 9th, 2022 at 6:25am
Yep good riddance to bad rubbish there imo!
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 9th, 2022 at 7:06am Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:40pm:
Ok a few observations: 1. Grappler...you're clearly an intelligent person. I do value your posts and I thank you for taking the time to provide your input. 2. Unfortunately you're neglecting 1 very important element - history. The actual event isn't the whole picture. The history behind all this MUST be considered if you value context. 3. Any conversation in this topic needs to bear in mind the following reality: • The existence of a subversive thug styled sub culture of self entitled employees backed by communist <---- that's right extreme left wing political puppeteers who essentially used these employees to control an entire industry which ultimately undermined Australia's reputation wrt its trading partners and affected our economy. Everything coming in and out of Australia was at the mercy of a bunch of bludgers who were paid ridiculous amounts of money and they essentially bludged for that money in return. • This subversive sub culture stood in sharp contrast to other unions. The only other union which it resembled (from memory) was the notorious CFMEU. NB : The information I'm providing in this post is largely gleaned from HOW we were taught back at Uni in the early 1990's as students. Even way back in 1990 - I recall studying about Australia's waterfront union issue which had reached boiling point a number of times back then. In 1996 Howard's Liberal govt won by a landslide <--- it was a massacre ... and they jumped in to fix the stuff that had been sitting in Labor's "too hard" basket. Our waterfront industry was affecting our economy and no amount of appeasing the militant styled union which effectively controlled it ... had worked. It was time to respond in kind - and that's exactly what Peter Reith did. Edit : 1 last thing - employees do not control a business/enterprise. For starters they don't even own it. Let's break this down a tad. Grappler ... how would you like it if you started a business and employed a team of workers who told you what to do and how much you should pay them and who ordered you about wrt to their lunch breaks start/finish times and how much output they felt was sufficient? You'd be looking at an ineffective/inefficient and bankrupt enterprise very quickly. And your earlier comment about technology picking up the slack does not make sense either. Technology exists to help not pick up the slack of employees who hold the enterprise that employs them to ransom. Look I could say a lot more but I've got to hang up a load of washing. Later? |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 9th, 2022 at 7:10am Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 6:25am:
STFU Redback. As usual - you're in here like the typical blowfly we all know you are ... to say SFA because you really haven't got a bloody clue! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:16am Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
Reith was a deliberate liar going out of his way to assist Hayseed's bullshit about kids overboard. And yes, Bobby is right....he did used animals to attack human beings, and that is reflective of the man's 'integrity.' "a long battle with Alzheimer's".......yeas, I know, that is a darling expression of the media, but it is softshoe crap. You might as well say that a bloke who perished after falling from a cliff top died after a glorious but short battle with gravity. This bloke was a very willing political scum bag bottom dwelling lap dog, and his talents were ruthlessly exploited by Hayseed. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:22am
Aussie,
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Workers ended up in hospital with serious dog mauling injures but it was covered up in the media. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:26am Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:22am:
Link. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:30am Quote:
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Vic on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:53am Aussie wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:16am:
Fully Agree, a lying stinking piece of garbage who destroyed the life and career of a very popular and highly respected Navy Officer by twisting and distorting the evidence that Officer gave with relation to Children Overboard. http://sievx.com/testimony/individuals/CommanderNormanBanks.html I had the privilege to attend a presentation by Captain Banks many years after this incident and in private to a few of us, he related the true story of this and how his initial signals and subsequent evidence was manipulated for purely political purposes. Whilst Reith's Death from a debilitating illness is regrettable and comfort is extended to his family, it should never be forgotten what a political piece of detritus he really was. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 9th, 2022 at 9:11am Aussie wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 8:26am:
Still not the full story - just hints: MARK WILLACY: Whereas the wharfies didn't. Maybe because theirs, in most cases, were legitimate benefits albeit somewhat extravagant. So in a reversal of roles it's Labor setting the dogs onto Peter Reith, but unlike the waterfront dispute there's no protection from bodyguards in balaclavas. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Belgarion on Nov 9th, 2022 at 9:37am
Very interesting report by CMDR Banks. Pity the media and the politicians were not interested in the truth.
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 9th, 2022 at 10:08am
I don't recall the death of anyone before triggering this much criticism about the person.
I would typically be horrified by this even when deserved. I almost always just be quiet on the topic. In this case it is 100% understandable and deserved. Peter well and truly earned this response. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Brian Ross on Nov 9th, 2022 at 2:06pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 6:01am:
I remember the Police linking arms and facing away from the unionists to face the scabs. Well done. Howard and Co. lied all the way on that on the children overboard scandal. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 9th, 2022 at 4:06pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 11:40pm:
Excellent post. Of course all wannabee bosses dream of making it rich. I know a franchisee who has become a multi millionare - the dream of all small business owners - on the back of his workers who are of course on very average award wages. And ditto for big business, meanwhile the increasing share of profits going to management over the last several decades is egregious. At the moment in Parliament, a Coalition member is chastising Labor for wanting to increase workers' wages, saying business will have to lay off workers "in the real world" with its high business input costs.... Neither side are aware of the dysfunctional economic system itself which is the real problem. More rhetoric from the Coalition: "small business is the foundation of the Oz economy". Yes, though many (probably a majority) are by means as succesful as the one I mentioned above; hence these "bosses" rely on low wages for their workers, to keep the business viable. More indication of systemic dysfunction... while Labor can't lift taxes (if it wants to win elections) to compensate low-income people's cost of living crises. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 9th, 2022 at 4:46pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 4:06pm:
They don't want to be aware .... it would ruin their personal share portfolios... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:44am Aussie wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:16pm:
Minister for Refugee Final Solution, Prime Minister for Squandered Opportunities Late Minister for Children Overboard one and ALL ! . |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:50am
Peter Reith will have trouble at the Pearly Gates.
St Peter will have tough questions for him. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:42am Dnarever wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 10:08am:
If Howard had "ONE redeeming feature" he would have sacked Reith from Cabinet, the moment Reith came to him with the cropped photos and whole "children overboard" LIE - assuming Howard wasn't in on the whole thing, from day one ? . |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 10th, 2022 at 8:02am Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:50am:
As will his boss, I guess ? Peter Reith, the hard man of Liberal politics, was Howard’s ‘favourite’ https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/peter-reith-the-hard-man-of-liberal-politics-was-howard-s-favourite-20221109-p5bwnk.html Former prime minister John Howard says Peter Reith was a “wonderful friend and great colleague” and he was very proud to support him as prime minister https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/john-howard-pays-touching-tribute-to-former-liberal-defence-minister-and-wonderful-friend-peter-reith/news-story/a9724d61b1e51132856593f7acd760b6 . |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 10th, 2022 at 10:57am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 8:02am:
Well - that's the kiss of death if ever there was one.... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:01am buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:44am:
Don't forget the $230Bn and growing stolen from the National Treasury and parked in a tax haven and run by his mate Costello to guarantee that even WHEN they bring this country and its people to their knees their fat retirements will be guaranteed for eternity. Bring Back The Stolen Future Fund! What's the difference between a politician and a leech? A leech stops sucking blood out of you once it's been removed .... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:26am
Peter Reith stated the brutal and uncomfortable truth. And he had the guts to stand up and get our inept waterfront industry back on track too.
It was never going to be an easy roadmap given the unrepentant union thugs involved and who were controlled by the Communist and Labor Parties of Australia. We could do with more politicians like Reith in Australia. Men who are tough and prepared to jump in and get the job done. What we have instead are spineless inept dheads who sit around pretending to care about what they do. They're really there to feather their own nests as they prepare themselves for retirement to enjoy unbelievable benefit packages. Edit : And if it wasn't for Reith putting the frighteners on those lazy bludging waterfront wankers who thought they could get away with what they had been doing for decades...Australis waterfront industry would not be the competitive and efficient one we see today. Deal with it you lot! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Redmond Neck on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:31am Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:26am:
Stick to growing chokos Loser! ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:34am Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:31am:
Yet another useless BS reply by you! STFU Redback. As per usual you jump in like a blowfly to prove what we already know about you. You know SFA about this topic. Now hop it! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:44am Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9th, 2022 at 7:10am:
👆 And here is your only other contribution in this topic Redback. You're nothing but a nasty and vicious backstabbing troll irrespective of the id you use. Apologies to the rest of you who have posted in this topic in good faith. The fact that I disagree with you isn't important. What matters to me is that you've posted with conviction and I can now see a completely different perspective based on your personal experiences at that time. I thank you for your honesty and also for your patience with me given I have a dissenting view. Believe it or not ... I quite enjoy being challenged by those I disagree with. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 10th, 2022 at 12:22pm
Government attacks unions - proxy attacks workers and wage rates ... economy declines and approaches moribund...
Money was made round to go around.... no money at the bottom - no going around... money no going around - economy stop.... HowardGuv was a disaster in countless ways... little man syndrome at its very worst. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by The Grappler on Nov 10th, 2022 at 12:42pm
... Why do they always bury politicians flat on their back, one foot under, and with one arm raised?
So they can continue to collect their handout..... "Upon the death of a serving MP, their spouse receives an annuity equal to 5/ 6 of the rate of the retiring allowance which would have been payable had the MP not died. If the MP has served less than eight years at the time of death, the retiring allowance is calculated as if they had served eight years." While it says 'serving MP' (etc) you can bet there has been a cunning interpretation of what that means..... |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Aussie on Nov 10th, 2022 at 1:08pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:34am:
Speaking of people who "know SFA about this topic........." Link. Note the comments about deliberate Government activity to make the whole thing worse and also note how workers' conditions significantly improved as a result of Union activity. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Mattyfisk on Nov 15th, 2022 at 11:41am Gordon wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:37pm:
Did Peter Reith ever enter a school oval and pash a Boong? Questions questions. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:20pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 8:53pm:
Now you're about the bottom of the barrel for poster boys Aqua. He was a dead set grub. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:22pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:21pm:
Not actually talking about his wife & children nor what killed him talking about Reith the man, the politician & the slime ball he was as a govt minister. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:25pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8th, 2022 at 9:32pm:
What he did in hiring ex ADF mercenaries to bust & or assault picket line Unionists was nothing short of illegal bastardry.... and a bigger bastard you could not get..... in fact he was an outright TNUC. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:29pm Gnads wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:20pm:
That's just aquascoot's (boring) shtick. He always tries to put a positive spin on horrible people. Ask him about Hitler and he'll say: "Snappy dresser, healthy eater, strong leader, very charismatic, and loved animals. Admirable guy". ::) It's so boring and predictable. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by John Smith on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:30pm Quote:
about 71 years to late |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:34pm Gnads wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:25pm:
WTF is a TNUC? |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:35pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:26am:
You thinking that nasty POS Reith is any sort of political hero speaks volumes. He should have been tarred & feathered & thrown in jail. What he did was unconstitutional & illegal. Of all the dislikeable Liberal politicians Reith is the most detestable.... the King of Grubs. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:39pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:34pm:
Spell it backwards ::) And that praising him ..... he was actually a dead tnuc ...... coz tnucs are useful. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 18th, 2022 at 2:00pm Gnads wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
Ha! Here I am trying to work it out going forwards. Look to be fair I was a busy student back when Peter Reith was active in politics. This might be WHY I've clashed with just about everyone on OzPol over the Patrick Corporation affair. NB : When I say I was "busy" I really mean this : I was working 2 part time jobs plus studying part time at Uni plus buying my first car plus I was putting money aside for my first property. Plus I was prepping for a wedding to a lazy arsehole who turned out to be an abusive next level TNUC! Just looking at this 👇.... https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/patrick-termination-bid-sparks-new-wharves-conflict/news-story/33d2d2645a7e8360f1236dcb5e5d2559 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Australian_waterfront_dispute Edit : 👆 Ahhhh .... 1998! Of course! That explains it! No I was actually exhausted and married (ie fighting to survive) and trying to get away from the prick. Apologies to all but I had my own domestic dispute to sort out AND I wasn't allowed to watch TV or listen to the radio or use a phone. Hell I wasn't even allowed to open any mail which was delivered. Even if it was in my name! So any news I gleaned was at best very meagre (and usually by accident). Look unless you're a woman who's experienced family violence at the hands of a much bigger and much older guy you will probably not get what I'm saying. And that's ok because it probably means you guys are nothing like the demonic beast I escaped from. Anyway...i |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 18th, 2022 at 3:38pm Gnads wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 1:35pm:
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 18th, 2022 at 3:50pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:26am:
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No actually he didn't - The government helping the business to work outside the law and morality hurt the industry for no reason. The basis of the dispute was to swap out the workforce to overseas imported workers on low pay rates and to introduce automated technology. In the end they had 3 cranes standing at the port unused 25 years later. This is the technology they wanted to use to supposedly improve productivity. It never got to the point where these cranes could match the workers performance and were never used. There was also a safety issue that the cranes could not correctly identify the different containers which produced an extreme danger when a crane picked up a container with a different size than it believed. It could literally try to put a container into a slot where it didn't fit or worse still into an area where there were people. They got improved productivity in the end by negotiating a bonus system with existing workers. They had a set number of containers to unload in a shift with a bonus for extra. This was the increased productivity and it had nothing to do with the dispute, this was always on the table. A disappointment to me was that the union didn't follow through with the court case, the court had found that the government had a case to answer. The Gov done a deal with the unions to get out of it. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 18th, 2022 at 5:37pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 3:50pm:
Exactly ... Howard, Reith, Downer, Abbott & Costello ::) what a group of arseholes. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 19th, 2022 at 6:17pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18th, 2022 at 2:00pm:
You - like Reith - prefer the idea of "being your own boss", with its possibility of becoming richer than relying on award wages, and hence fight for the advantage of employers. Most people are drawn to waged occupations as workers, and see the need for unions to defend wages and conditions. I note your contempt for "union thugs" who might play hardball for the workers they represent. The current disagreement over the new Workplace Relations bill is based on the need for much (most) small business to minimize their employees' wages, so small business can survive in a competitive market. Big business is different and can afford to pay decent wages. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Gnads on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 5:58am thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19th, 2022 at 6:17pm:
[/quote] Sorry but small business doesn't get off the hook because of competition. Regardless of size of business if you can't afford to pay decent livable wages then you shouldn't be in business. So the owners of those small businesses always looking to cut wages should either do the work themselves or work out a new business model. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 1:28pm Gnads wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 5:58am:
Agreed, but unfortunately most of our economy is based on mickey mouse small business - a 'nation of shop keepers', and wannabe entrepreneurs..... Quote:
Yes. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Bobby. on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 1:33pm
Peter Reith somehow avoided trial for encouraging vicious dogs to maul workers -
giving them severe injuries requiring hospitalisation. How would he have liked that to happen to him or his own family members? He was a monster. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 1:28pm:
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If they pay the minimum wage they are in no trouble. It isn't much. Many of the business owners I have known claiming to be in this position have actually been doing fairly well or better. While there are likely exceptions many are doing very well. I knew one guy who had about 6 or 8 employees on a low wage because of how tough it was. His accountant recommended that he buy a Ferrari to minimise his tax bill. Not sure how that worked but I got a ride in his Ferrari. |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:58pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 2:36pm:
Exactly! |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by aquascoot on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:18pm
top bloke.
my uncle used to dry hire end-loaders to the wharfies. they would invariably sabotage the machine and then retire to the rec room for hours of playing pool. one time they actually unscrewed the gear stick and chucked it on the floor of the cab and said it "fell off" that it undid the 3 bolts holding it on by itself. thank god for noble politicians like peter to take on these scum |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by thegreatdivide on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:33pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:18pm:
Reith was the wrong man for the job; those warf dropouts needed some education, and instillment of some self-esteem, not a union-basher like Reith |
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Title: Re: Peter Reith has died at age 72. Post by Dnarever on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:37pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:18pm:
Yet they need to get their quota of work done in order to start on their bonus for the shift ? Most of them depend on reaching their bonus total to earn their wage. Over the last 25 years if anyone in the team were to do this the rest of the team would beat him senseless. |
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