Seems the Stats tell the tale of the tape with China looking way more potent than the USA these days.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce

...and while White Man is at war again with Yellow Man (Race War?).
Black Man is poking his White Woman like 'hippy free love' back at home. :D

That farrking prime minister of Ukraine is an actor. He loves his nato green screens.  ;D

China and Russia combined will flatten em.
USA is broke. It cannot afford a cuppa tea let alone a war.
Over 30T or something now. Team merika...fuukk yeah.  :D


Xi just told all chinese people to get out of Ukraine.  ::)

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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02pm:

Xi just told all chinese people to get out of Ukraine.  ::)

If that is true, it is time for a few trips to the supermarket, to stock up on those extra toilet rolls again.

And get in a few weeks supply of some 'non-perishable' food that you 'will eat'.



All 1st world nations, 2022, are morphing into......what ?

Hilarious that anyone would think that the US and NATO has deployed even 20% of their capacity to wage war in Ukraine.

They've given Ukraine just enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Russian Federation, while their collective right hand is tied behind their back.

As one military expert said - the US owns the sky and the night on the battlefield - The US has not deployed its gargantuan air superiority and nighttime capacity in Ukraine (air superiority being the advantage that unites its entire military), which is calibrated to defeat the next two superpowers after the US at the same time.

The two most powerful air forces in the world are the US Airforce; after that - the US Navy.

And you better believe that two people who are certain of this are Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.

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China would whip USA arse according to...

Just hope we don't find out.

We seen with Russia that it isn't always like we think.

Right back to the Vietnam days US troops didn't always have the best reputation but they do have numbers and tech on their side against most opponents. China is an unknown certainly impressive numbers

There is no need for anyone to start anything, in fact it would be stupid.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Hilarious that anyone would think that the US and NATO has deployed even 20% of their capacity to wage war in Ukraine. They've given Ukraine just enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Russian Federation, while their collective right hand is tied behind their back. As one military expert said - the US owns the sky and the night on the battlefield - The US has not deployed its gargantuan air superiority and nighttime capacity in Ukraine (air superiority being the advantage that unites its entire military), which is calibrated to defeat the next two superpowers after the US at the same time. The two most powerful air forces in the world are the US Airforce; after that - the US Navy. And you better believe that two people who are certain of this are Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.

And the USA and NATO should have gone in straight away in February 2022
and given the Russians a quick lesson they'd never forget.

Remember all those Russian tanks lined up on the highway to Kiev? -
that would have been another highway of death just like North/West of Kuwait in 1991.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/the-kuwait-highway-of-death.html?firefox=1


https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2016/02/highway-of-death1-640x425.jpg


The convoy was three miles long, and the US engaged all of its available aerial attack units to target it. However, bad weather and low visibility was hindering the attack.

First to reach the convoy were USMC A-6E Intruder jets with ammunition of Mark 20 Rockeye cluster bombs. They targeted the front and rear ends of the convoy to prevent it moving back or forwards and thus become a prime target for more attacks. The convoy became cut off.

Subsequently, the entire convoy was attacked by coalition aerial forces for around 10 hours. Any vehicle that diverted off of the highway was tracked, hunted and destroyed.

A-10_Thunderbolt_II_In-flight-2

An A-10 Warthog aircraft pilot who took part in the attacks said that it was like a fireworks show with explosions all over the place.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:23pm:

China is an unknown certainly impressive numbers

Even the CCP wouldn't risk rolling the dice with the PLA against the US.

The PLA has never fought a war and loses skirmishes.

You can forget about the US needing to use nuclear weapons its conventional arsenal is so great it has no need to resort to nuclear.

The US would be victorious in any war with China and Russia combined - the problem is the US would win so quickly and decisively that regimes in the entire Asian continent (with the exception of India if backed by the US) would be destabilised and collapse within a week.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:16pm: Hilarious that anyone would think that the US and NATO has deployed even 20% of their capacity to wage war in Ukraine. They've given Ukraine just enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Russian Federation, while their collective right hand is tied behind their back. As one military expert said - the US owns the sky and the night on the battlefield - The US has not deployed its gargantuan air superiority and nighttime capacity in Ukraine (air superiority being the advantage that unites its entire military), which is calibrated to defeat the next two superpowers after the US at the same time. The two most powerful air forces in the world are the US Airforce; after that - the US Navy. And you better believe that two people who are certain of this are Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. And the USA and NATO should have gone in straight away in February 2022 and given the Russians a quick lesson they'd never forget.

Why? If they did, It would not be Ukraine's victory; it would be the US and NATO's

Also, this war has forced Russia to see for itself that is a hopeless shadow of its Soviet Union self.

By the time this is over, it will be decades before Russia will even be able to get up off the mat.

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There is no need for anyone to start anything, in fact it would be stupid.

History teaches us, that human conflict once started, can have an un-imagined path and progress, for both the defender and for the one who 'wanted' [initiated] the conflict.

And conflicts can quickly burn the [entire] contents of national treasuries.

The upside of war, is that during wartime, everyone will be given employment [or they will not eat].

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:16pm: Hilarious that anyone would think that the US and NATO has deployed even 20% of their capacity to wage war in Ukraine. They've given Ukraine just enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Russian Federation, while their collective right hand is tied behind their back. As one military expert said - the US owns the sky and the night on the battlefield - The US has not deployed its gargantuan air superiority and nighttime capacity in Ukraine (air superiority being the advantage that unites its entire military), which is calibrated to defeat the next two superpowers after the US at the same time. The two most powerful air forces in the world are the US Airforce; after that - the US Navy. And you better believe that two people who are certain of this are Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. And the USA and NATO should have gone in straight away in February 2022 and given the Russians a quick lesson they'd never forget. Why? If they did, It would not be Ukraine's victory; it would be the US and NATO's Also, this war has forced Russia to see for itself that is a hopeless shadow of its Soviet Union self. By the time this is over, it will be decades before Russia will even be able to get up off the mat.

To add to that, the US is making Putin pay for his homoerotic bromance with Trump, where Trump humiliated his own military.

The US military has a very, very long memory - as Elon Musk is going to find out.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/united-states-running-out-weapons-send-ukraine

About 1/3 of stocks are for Ukraine, that's on the border-line of US security and re-building will take years.

Setanta wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

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;D ;D ;D ;D


We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent

We are all wrong to think that when China and USA goes into conflict, who would have to win against another.  No its not the case.   The USA would have to win with absolution, but the Chinese side, they have more options. 

I do not think they are foolish enough to invade Taiwan as a precursor to the conflict.   It is impossible to fight off a navy battle in the pacific against multiple nations, AND try to invade Taiwan at the same time.  They dont have the man power or the economic backing to do this. 

The status of Taiwan as a state rest on one thing, and one thing only.  That is, China will have to face up to the might of the US pacific fleet in the pacific ocean.  But it does not have to win.  All it have to do is to inflict enough damage to it to keep it at bay.  This is why their naval development over the recent years is very targeted at anti air, anti missile, and anti capital ship technology. 

I think the conflict will start with something really small and silly.  Perhaps a military drill goes wrong in the South China Sea, and one of the test missile hit another.   This would provide excuse for both sides to do a sort of test run at each other.   The other nations will of course like always sit out, and watch the outcome.

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:25am:

We are all wrong to think that when China and USA goes into conflict, who would have to win against another.  No its not the case.   The USA would have to win with absolution, but the Chinese side, they have more options.

The US and its allies would win without a doubt against an untested and non-battle-disciplined PLA. I have seen footage of PLA soldiers 'training' (not the Beijing brigade's military displays), they're all over the shop. Cha bu duo marching.

The problem is that the US and its allies would win so completely and so quickly, that the CCP would collapse, as the Chinese people realise that they had been kowtowing to, abused by and stolen from a regime that, far from being a military superpower, are a bunch of angry boy scouts and undisciplined gangsters with guns.

Revenge against CCP officials in every province for their abuse of the people would ensure that China would become ungovernable.

Independence uprisings within China, as the people intuit CCP weakness, would begin within days - the Chinese people are eminently capable of great courage and eating bitter (Chi Ku - as they say), and would easily fight to the death for freedom from the CCP.

That would be the problem with a US-China war - the destabilisation of the Asian continent.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:25am: We are all wrong to think that when China and USA goes into conflict, who would have to win against another.  No its not the case.   The USA would have to win with absolution, but the Chinese side, they have more options.  The US and its allies would win without a doubt against an untested and non-battle-disciplined PLA. I have seen footage of PLA soldiers 'training' (not the Beijing brigade's military displays), they're all over the shop. Cha bu duo marching. The problem is that the US and its allies would win so completely and so quickly, that the CCP would collapse, as the Chinese people realise that they had been kowtowing to, abused by and stolen from a regime that, far from being a military superpower, are a bunch of angry boy scouts and undisciplined gangsters with guns. Revenge against CCP officials in every province for their abuse of the people would ensure that China would become ungovernable. Independence uprisings within China, as the people intuit CCP weakness, would begin within days - the Chinese people are eminently capable of great courage and eating bitter (Chi Ku - as they say), and would easily fight to the death for freedom from the CCP. That would be the problem with a US-China war - the destabilisation of the Asian continent.

Xi's vision for China, presented last week, is impressive.

It urges national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level, not based on junk consumption, or war, like the US, but on technological advance to benefit the nation and all mankind.

The next decade will be fascinating, to see which vision triumphs.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 10:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 9:53am: tickleandrose wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:25am: We are all wrong to think that when China and USA goes into conflict, who would have to win against another.  No its not the case.   The USA would have to win with absolution, but the Chinese side, they have more options.  The US and its allies would win without a doubt against an untested and non-battle-disciplined PLA. I have seen footage of PLA soldiers 'training' (not the Beijing brigade's military displays), they're all over the shop. Cha bu duo marching. The problem is that the US and its allies would win so completely and so quickly, that the CCP would collapse, as the Chinese people realise that they had been kowtowing to, abused by and stolen from a regime that, far from being a military superpower, are a bunch of angry boy scouts and undisciplined gangsters with guns. Revenge against CCP officials in every province for their abuse of the people would ensure that China would become ungovernable. Independence uprisings within China, as the people intuit CCP weakness, would begin within days - the Chinese people are eminently capable of great courage and eating bitter (Chi Ku - as they say), and would easily fight to the death for freedom from the CCP. That would be the problem with a US-China war - the destabilisation of the Asian continent. Xi's vision for China, presented last week, is impressive. It urges national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level, not based on junk consumption, or war, like the US, but on technological advance to benefit the nation and all mankind. The next decade will be fascinating, to see which vision triumphs.

Even Chinese paramount leaders make cha bu duo statements.

He recently reiterated that absolute poverty had been eliminated and declared that moderate prosperity had been achieved.

That would be a surprise to the rural impoverished in China and the hundreds of millions who have lost everything in the CCP real estate scam.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 10:33am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 9:53am: tickleandrose wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:25am: We are all wrong to think that when China and USA goes into conflict, who would have to win against another.  No its not the case.   The USA would have to win with absolution, but the Chinese side, they have more options.  The US and its allies would win without a doubt against an untested and non-battle-disciplined PLA. I have seen footage of PLA soldiers 'training' (not the Beijing brigade's military displays), they're all over the shop. Cha bu duo marching. The problem is that the US and its allies would win so completely and so quickly, that the CCP would collapse, as the Chinese people realise that they had been kowtowing to, abused by and stolen from a regime that, far from being a military superpower, are a bunch of angry boy scouts and undisciplined gangsters with guns. Revenge against CCP officials in every province for their abuse of the people would ensure that China would become ungovernable. Independence uprisings within China, as the people intuit CCP weakness, would begin within days - the Chinese people are eminently capable of great courage and eating bitter (Chi Ku - as they say), and would easily fight to the death for freedom from the CCP. That would be the problem with a US-China war - the destabilisation of the Asian continent. Xi's vision for China, presented last week, is impressive. It urges national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level, not based on junk consumption, or war, like the US, but on technological advance to benefit the nation and all mankind. The next decade will be fascinating, to see which vision triumphs. Even Chinese paramount leaders make cha bu duo statements.

What is cha bu duo about "national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level"?


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He recently reiterated that absolute poverty had been eliminated and declared that moderate prosperity had been achieved.

Wrong; he declared absolute poverty had been eliminated, and the next goal is common prosperity for all.

(You fraud; shaping the narrative to suit your own evil defence of "freedom" and its natural outcome, inequality).   


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That would be a surprise to the rural impoverished in China and the hundreds of millions who have lost everything in the CCP real estate scam.

You ideological fraud; the CCP is dealing with the 'housing as investment' greed-driven (part of "multi faceted human nature") neoliberal market disaster.   

re Mister

Perhaps you would hope that the US and its allies wins completely and quickly.  But, sometimes, you can hope for the best, but always need to prepare and be ready for the worst. 

Yes, perhaps, the PLA has not seen real combat since Vietnam war with US, or any other war since war with India.   The USA, you can argue is not tested as well, when it comes to a more advanced opponent.   As in, the USA had never being attacked by an opponent capable to firing supersonic, capital ship destroying, ballistic missiles at its carrier groups.  So far, all it had to worry about is outdated SCUD like missiles and a few modified fishing boats from Iran. 

To me, the future is very uncertain.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 10:54am:

What is cha bu duo about "national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level"?

Cha bu duo is a mindset that afflicts Chinese cultures and has been cursed for thousands of years, so the CCP didn't invent it. The CCP merely exploits it.

It means 'almost' - in the sense if it looks good enough superficially or if it sounds good enough superficially, then it is good enough actually.

Anyone who has lived in China (or has bought Chinese produce), knows how rampant cha bu duo is throughout Chinese society.

When kept in lockstep with miànzi - keeping face - it means that those who have been defrauded by cha bu duo products or slogans, cannot and will not risk exposing the fraudster, particularly if that fraudster has greater guan xi (influence and connections).

It's the primary reason the CCP is able to oppress the Chinese people.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:00am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:08pm: Quote: The US military has grown increasingly week over the years https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce ;D ;D ;D ;D We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent

I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China.
They would just send cruise missiles to every military installation we had.
I bet all our planes would be blown up on the ground
and even all our army vehicles too.
The only thing they would fear are our submarines but
really we don't have enough of them.
Only the alliance with the USA keeps us safe from the yellow hoard.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 11:25am:

Marla wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:00am: Setanta wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:08pm: Quote: The US military has grown increasingly week over the years https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce ;D ;D ;D ;D We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China. They would just send cruise missiles to every military installation we had. I bet all our planes would be blown up on the ground and even all our army vehicles too. The only thing they would fear are our submarines but really we don't have enough of them. Only the alliance with the USA keeps us safe from the yellow hoard.

She hasn't heard of Pine Gap.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 11:27am:

She hasn't heard of Pine Gap.

Marla knows that we need the USA.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:27am: She hasn't heard of Pine Gap. Marla knows that we need the USA.

Pine Gap is US territory. Parts of it, only authorised US citizens can enter.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 11:25am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 10:54am: What is cha bu duo about "national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level"? Cha bu duo is a mindset that afflicts Chinese cultures and has been cursed for thousands of years, so the CCP didn't invent it. The CCP merely exploits it.

National unity (as opposed to "freedom"-based, adversarial, hyper-partisanship) to achieve common prosperity is a new concept; it's not exploitative, it's inclusive.


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It means 'almost' - in the sense if it looks good enough superficially or if it sounds good enough superficially, then it is good enough actually.

BS, your interpretation suits your delusional "freedom" ideology as always; the goal is per capita income comparable to the US by the centenary of the revolution, but much more evenly shared (hence "common prosperity").


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Anyone who has lived in China (or has bought Chinese produce), knows how rampant cha bu duo is throughout Chinese society.

"Almost"? No, absolute poverty HAS been eradicated, not almost; and the next step is shared prosperity.

meanwhile half the US population are living pay check to pay check, with 14% in poverty (latest figures).


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When kept in lockstep with miànzi - keeping face - it means that those who have been defrauded by cha bu duo products or slogans, cannot and will not risk exposing the fraudster, particularly if that fraudster has greater guan xi (influence and connections).

from GT:
"Global Development Initiative a constructive approach toward building a cooperative system: Jeffrey Sachs

Sachs: "China showed that it is possible to go from pervasive absolute poverty to the end of poverty in 40 years, from 1980 to 2020. This is not only a wonderful and remarkable accomplishment, but also a road map for Africa and other places still facing extreme poverty. The key to China's success was high rates of investment in human capital (health and education), infrastructure (power, transport, digital), and business capital. The combination of long-term planning and market forces was essential, as was China's opening-up to the world". 


"So China demonstrated that a high level of investment in people and infrastructure would also attract a tremendous amount of business investment and entrepreneurship as well. China opened the economy to international trade and became the most important trading country in the world during this period and a great manufacturing economy.


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It's the primary reason the CCP is able to oppress the Chinese people.

BS. The CCP's economic success is the reason the Chinese people grant it the right to govern.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 11:25am:

I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China.

You wouldn't last 24 seconds. And why should America help you? We have our own problems. Sorry, Kangaroo Land. You're on your own. Best to start learning how to speak Mandarin now

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:25am: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 10:54am: What is cha bu duo about "national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level"? Cha bu duo is a mindset that afflicts Chinese cultures and has been cursed for thousands of years, so the CCP didn't invent it. The CCP merely exploits it. National unity (as opposed to "freedom"-based, adversarial, hyper-partisanship) to achieve common prosperity is a new concept; it's not exploitative, it's inclusive.

You have not been to China, you know nothing of Chinese culture, yet have much to say.

For those who have experience with Chinese culture, would recognise that you easily succumb to cha bu duo sensibility.

You read like someone who does not easily socialise.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:25am: I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China. You wouldn't last 24 seconds. And why should America help you? We have our own problems. Sorry, Kangaroo Land. You're on your own. Best to start learning how to speak Mandarin now

Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway".

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:18pm:

Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway".

I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:25am: I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China. You wouldn't last 24 seconds. And why should America help you? We have our own problems. Sorry, Kangaroo Land. You're on your own. Best to start learning how to speak Mandarin now

You've lost every war you've been in.  ;D ;D ;D
Even after we taught yas how to fight.
Dumbarse yanks.  ;D ;D ;D

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent.

No, we have diversity, diversity is strength, we can whip anyone

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:23pm: China is an unknown certainly impressive numbers Even the CCP wouldn't risk rolling the dice with the PLA against the US. The PLA has never fought a war and loses skirmishes.

Errr, what about the Chinese civil war and Korea? They also fought against Vietnam in 1979, but as you note they lost that and all the Vietnamese had were the equivalent of the Home Guard.   ::) ::)

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent.

We doughn't pay no never mahnd if'n it's yer cousin... Louwng as yer progeny c'n stehn in lahne an fahr ah rahfle.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:24pm:

You've lost every war you've been in.  ;D ;D ;DEven after we taught yas how to fight. Dumbarse yanks.  ;D ;D ;D

Seems Caveman here has Kangaroo V.D. Remember when the Japanese bombed Darwin? You kangaroo rooting pussies came crying to America for help.Chine could overrun your shithole weak content and not break a sweat in doing so.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent.

Do you even know where Australia is?  ;D ;D ;D
Stupid dumb arse yanks.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

We doughn't pay no never mahnd if'n it's yer cousin... Louwng as yer progeny c'n stehn in lahne an fahr ah rahfle.

Take the Chinese dick out of your grubby mouth and speak English, coward.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:25am: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 10:54am: What is cha bu duo about "national unity to achieve common prosperity at a high level"? Cha bu duo is a mindset that afflicts Chinese cultures and has been cursed for thousands of years, so the CCP didn't invent it. The CCP merely exploits it. National unity (as opposed to "freedom"-based, adversarial, hyper-partisanship) to achieve common prosperity is a new concept; it's not exploitative, it's inclusive. You have not been to China, you know nothing of Chinese culture, yet have much to say.

Like Sachs, I go by the evidence; the progress is phenomenal.


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Culture is changeable; just as Oz black culture MUST change.


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You read like someone who does not easily socialise.

Irrelevant.

You didn't even read Sachs, on China's development in the modern world.   

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:00am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:08pm: Quote: The US military has grown increasingly week over the years https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce ;D ;D ;D ;D We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent

China is incapable of such an operation.  China is too far away from Australia and lacks the necessary naval forces and experience to undertake such an invasion.  Where would they invade anyway?  Darwin?  Still 3,000 km to get to Melbourne.  Sydney?  They are welcome to it, it is a hole.  It is also where the biggest Army base in Australia is located.  The PLA has a long way to go before it is capable of invading Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:23pm: China is an unknown certainly impressive numbers Even the CCP wouldn't risk rolling the dice with the PLA against the US. The PLA has never fought a war and loses skirmishes. Errr, what about the Chinese civil war and Korea? They also fought against Vietnam in 1979, but as you note they lost that and all the Vietnamese had were the equivalent of the Home Guard.   ::) ::)

The Chinese civil war - Mao and his army hiding in the hinterland until the Japanese had worn down the Nationalists, then the allies destroyed the Japanese military. Even Mao made a joke of it to the Japanese ambassador.

Ah, Vietnam 1979 - the PLA lost.

The Vietnamese hate the Han Chinese more than any other ethnicity - you'd know that if you knew something of Chinese or Vietnamese culture.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 11:25am: I doubt that Australia would last 24 hours in a full scale war with China. You wouldn't last 24 seconds. And why should America help you? We have our own problems. Sorry, Kangaroo Land. You're on your own. Best to start learning how to speak Mandarin now

Marla,
we need people like you to fight on the front lines against the yellow hoards.
Biden will draft you -
if not for Ukraine then to defend Australia.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:26pm: We doughn't pay no never mahnd if'n it's yer cousin... Louwng as yer progeny c'n stehn in lahne an fahr ah rahfle. Take the Chinese dick out of your grubby mouth and speak English, coward.

Ahm tawking in the langidge ah yer people; Theys bin in them heeils fer hundeds ah yers.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

Do you even know where Australia is?  ;D ;D ;D Stupid dumb arse yanks.

You kangaroo rooters can't even find yourselves on a map. You have little in defense, are lazy, F A T and clueless. Best to be taking lessons in Mandarin now, or learn it in a Chinese reeducation camp and let's face it, a Chinese reeducation camp would be the only education much of you ever received.

https://youtu.be/MTCqXlDjx18

America is going to laugh when China takes over your farce of a country

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

Marla, we need people like you to fight on the front lines against the yellow hoards. Biden will draft you - if not for Ukraine then to defend Australia.

Biden would most likely sit back and laugh with the Republicans on how weak your country really is.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent.

The last people who said that were the Japanese.  How did their operations in New Guinea and the islands to our north go again?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 8:00am: Setanta wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:08pm: Quote: The US military has grown increasingly week over the years https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce ;D ;D ;D ;D We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent China is incapable of such an operation.  China is too far away from Australia and lacks the necessary naval forces and experience to undertake such an invasion.  Where would they invade anyway?  Darwin?  Still 3,000 km to get to Melbourne.  Sydney?  They are welcome to it, it is a hole.  It is also where the biggest Army base in Australia is located.  The PLA has a long way to go before it is capable of invading Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Not much point with that post, it involves a rudimentary comprehension of world geography. Unless Marla's been in the army, the best as she knows is the world ends at the eastern Tennessee border.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:28pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:24pm: You've lost every war you've been in.  ;D ;D ;DEven after we taught yas how to fight. Dumbarse yanks.  ;D ;D ;D Seems Caveman here has Kangaroo V.D. Remember when the Japanese bombed Darwin? You kangaroo rooting pussies came crying to America for help.Chine could overrun your shithole weak content and not break a sweat in doing so.

Exibit A....
Dumbarse yank.
Propaganda kings.

Get educated dumbarse.
Learn why they bombed us, or you lot to be more precise....  ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:20pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent. The last people who said that were the Japanese.  How did their operations in New Guinea and the islands to our north go again?   ::) ::)

Speaking of the Japanese, remind me, who did you cry to when Darwin was bombed?

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Exibit A.... Dumbarse yank. Propaganda kings. Get educated dumbarse. Learn why they bombed us, or you lot to be more precise....  ;)

Fact is the Japnese did bomb you and fact is like today, you have no means to defend yourself.

As athos once said, when China invades your pathetic continent you may learn something in the way of culture.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/07/50/150750db0700b45479e0e10a8e332a3b--redneck-party-aussies.jpg

Yeah, the Chinese are so scared.   

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:37pm: Marla wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:20pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:18pm: Just keep breeding... You know the song lyrics - "they draft the white trash first 'round here anyway". I doubt your joke of a government would put up much of a fight. You're a weak, pathetic continent. The last people who said that were the Japanese.  How did their operations in New Guinea and the islands to our north go again?   ::) ::) Speaking of the Japanese, remind me, who did you cry to when Darwin was bombed?

The British actually.  We had cried to Washington before the Japanese bombed Darwin on 19 February 1942.   It didn't do us much good.  Australia contributed the bulk of forces fighting the Japanese in 1942-43.  You Yanks were too busy trying to equip yourselves to contribute all that much to our defence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Bwahahahahaha.
Arfreaka....
Bwahahahahaha.


https://youtu.be/umpalMtQE50

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:40pm: Exibit A.... Dumbarse yank. Propaganda kings. Get educated dumbarse. Learn why they bombed us, or you lot to be more precise....  ;) Fact is the Japnese did bomb you and fact is like today, you have no means to defend yourself. As athos once said, when China invades your pathetic continent you may learn something in the way of culture. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/07/50/150750db0700b45479e0e10a8e332a3b--redneck-party-aussies.jpg Yeah, the Chinese are so scared.

You have no idea about our country.
;D ;D ;D

You are one of those dumbarses in the vid above.
Stupid yanks, so full of shyte there's no more room for education.

The Chinese wouldn't last 5min in this country.  ;D
You wouldn't last 5 minutes in our outback.
Most Aussies wouldn't.

Edited videos means nothing.

Fact remains all that kangaroo rooting has caused a human divergent evolution caused by bacterial infections to the brain which has left you weak and defenseless.

http://prod.betootaadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/struggle-street-bogans.jpg

Kangaroo inbreds. Read to er...fight

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Edited videos means nothing. Fact remains all that kangaroo rooting has caused a human divergent evolution caused by bacterial infections to the brain which has left you weak and defenseless. http://prod.betootaadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/struggle-street-bogans.jpg Kangaroo inbreds. Read to er...fight

That was a TV show dumbarse.  ;D ;D ;D

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Edited videos means nothing. Fact remains all that kangaroo rooting has caused a human divergent evolution caused by bacterial infections to the brain which has left you weak and defenseless. http://prod.betootaadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/struggle-street-bogans.jpg Kangaroo inbreds. Read to er...fight

Baick etch yer!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nkGiFpJC9LM/maxresdefault.jpg

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

You have no idea about our country. ;D ;D ;D

I know most of you are F A T, ugly, uneducated and lazy. Too weak to fight for anything

http://confessionsofafatgirl.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/20/svgraphic420x0.jpg




Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

You are one of those dumbarses in the vid above. Stupid yanks, so full of shyte there's no more room for education.

Says the dispshit who fails to use proper grammar.


Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

The Chinese wouldn't last 5min in this country.  ;D You wouldn't last 5 minutes in our outback. Most Aussies wouldn't.

The Chinese don't need 5 minutes. All they have to do is show up and Kangaroo Land and there would be a mass surrender.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:50pm:

That was a TV show dumbarse.  ;D ;D ;D

Reality TV?

;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:44pm:

The British actually.  We had cried to Washington before the Japanese bombed Darwin on 19 February 1942.   It didn't do us much good.  Australia contributed the bulk of forces fighting the Japanese in 1942-43.  You Yanks were too busy trying to equip yourselves to contribute all that much to our defence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Revisionist history won't do you any good.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:46pm: You have no idea about our country. ;D ;D ;D I know most of you are F A T, ugly, uneducated and lazy. Too weak to fight for anything http://confessionsofafatgirl.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/20/svgraphic420x0.jpg Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:46pm: You are one of those dumbarses in the vid above. Stupid yanks, so full of shyte there's no more room for education. Says the dispshit who fails to use proper grammar. Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:46pm: The Chinese wouldn't last 5min in this country.  ;D You wouldn't last 5 minutes in our outback. Most Aussies wouldn't. The Chinese don't need 5 minutes. All they have to do is show up and Kangaroo Land and there would be a mass surrender.

An American calling an Aussie... Fat.
Bwahahahahaha.


Keep trying dumbarse.
You'll get a participation award.

Here it is.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country

Aussies are way behind your fat arses.  ;)
Notice all the fast food poison chains out there are products of your poo hole country?
Oh, half of those islander populations at the top of the graph are over here working.... And we still fall behind you by kilometres.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:54pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:50pm: That was a TV show dumbarse.  ;D ;D ;D Reality TV? ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, as real as the flintstones.
Only a dumb arse would believe it to be a reality show.
Hollywood has fuct your brain beyond repair, it ain't the weed.

Hollywood is actively filming in the Ukraine. Zolinski loves the green screens and fake footage making him look like a brave man...  ;D

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:44pm:

Bwahahahahaha. Arfreaka.... Bwahahahahaha. https://youtu.be/umpalMtQE50

Marla.... That's gotta be you at 1:35.... ;D

Fat, red headed and farrking dumb as a post.  ;)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:51pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:47pm: Edited videos means nothing. Fact remains all that kangaroo rooting has caused a human divergent evolution caused by bacterial infections to the brain which has left you weak and defenseless. http://prod.betootaadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/struggle-street-bogans.jpg Kangaroo inbreds. Read to er...fight Baick etch yer! https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nkGiFpJC9LM/maxresdefault.jpg

There's an updated vid out on this family.
Haven't seen it yet.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 1:29pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:44pm: Bwahahahahaha. Arfreaka.... Bwahahahahaha. https://youtu.be/umpalMtQE50 Marla.... That's gotta be you at 1:35.... ;D Fat, red headed and farrking dumb as a post.  ;)

That's frightening -
how can people that stupid even exist?

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:32pm: Marla, we need people like you to fight on the front lines against the yellow hoards. Biden will draft you - if not for Ukraine then to defend Australia. Biden would most likely sit back and laugh with the Republicans on how weak your country really is.

Biden will draft you to the Russian front.

China and Russia are jokes

Dead men walking

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:44pm: The British actually.  We had cried to Washington before the Japanese bombed Darwin on 19 February 1942.   It didn't do us much good.  Australia contributed the bulk of forces fighting the Japanese in 1942-43.  You Yanks were too busy trying to equip yourselves to contribute all that much to our defence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Revisionist history won't do you any good.

Which is why you shouldn't engage in it, Marla.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:

China and Russia are jokes Dead men walking

China just needs to keep its cool.

Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China.

China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes.

Game over, without a shot being fired. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Boris wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:06pm: China and Russia are jokes Dead men walking China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.

Xi Jinping is returning China to its Maoist recent past.

Talk about having daddy issues. Xi's avenged his father, his sister and himself for what Mao did to them and is on the verge of claiming Mao's imperial crown.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Boris wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:06pm: China and Russia are jokes Dead men walking China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.

For a non-Chinese, you sure have fallen for the Chinese predilection toward superstitious hocus-pocus.

The Chinese have potions for everything, even for directing fate, which usually involve dried grasshopper legs and astrology.

Shakespeare would have had permanent RSI writing Macbeth-style plays had he been a Chinese playwright.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:40pm: Exibit A.... Dumbarse yank. Propaganda kings. Get educated dumbarse. Learn why they bombed us, or you lot to be more precise....  ;) Fact is the Japnese did bomb you and fact is like today, you have no means to defend yourself. As athos once said, when China invades your pathetic continent you may learn something in the way of culture. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/07/50/150750db0700b45479e0e10a8e332a3b--redneck-party-aussies.jpg Yeah, the Chinese are so scared.

Ha ha! That's us imitating American white trash! You lot invented it.

Just another battle between 2 nuclear powered countries. A battle where nobody can win. And, everybody can lose.

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Just another battle between 2 nuclear powered countries. A battle where nobody can win. And, everybody can lose.

You underestimate 20-fold the US capacity for conventional warfare. It is calibrated to engage and defeat the next 2 powers below the US at the same time without the use of nukes.

Marla wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:00am:

Setanta wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:08pm: Quote: The US military has grown increasingly week over the years https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/report-finds-us-military-is-weak-and-will-struggle-to-win-a-war/ar-AA137g2l?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9e6d39ec016d4eb9a44f56cadf8538ce ;D ;D ;D ;D We'll see who you pussy kangaroo rooters cry out for when China starts invading your weak continent

So true Marla.
Australia's ADF via its weak Top Brass will cry like wieners to the USA for help.

On the flip side. The Australian 'lower ranking' mass troops, etc are far superior than the USA 'grunts' in fighting the Chinese.
The Japs didn't like fighting Australian Soldiers and the Viet-Cong always tried to dodge conflicts with Anzacs if possible to engage with the weaker American troops.

Regardless. Australia's major weakness is 'numbers'.
It would be a 'quality v quantity' against China.

Since my early years here on OzPol.
I've often said that it will be a War of
RUSSO V SINO
...Russia v China.
It sounds 'currently' improbable.
But the true nature of success to soften a Global Nuclear War would be to have the two bad guys cancel each other out to as great a degree as possible.
My reasoning is that the USSR basically hammered the Chinese into Communistic submission, let alone stole a lot of Chinese held lands.
Then the USSR folded on a broken promise (by the USA liars) and to the CCP - that was a betrayal and show of weakness.
Long before, I always said that Russia is just a rusted out version of the USSR, with Putin no more than a Gang lord of Capitalism.
If Russia suddenly decides or is forced to become 'Pro-European' one day, then that will be a 'reversal of fortune' against China.
Invading Russia and taking resource rich Siberia for the Yellow Man, is a far more advantageous action for the CCP.
There is already 500,000+ Chinese living across the border in Russia and a lot with CCP uniforms.
Putin can't and dares not to do anything about it.

China will not invade Taiwan until the American Election time for obvious reasons.

China's Pacific Navy is bigger than the USA's entire Global Navy.

But we know that the USA is the Bald Eagle and the world's best at Aviation. That's their strong point.
Their Navy is their weak point.

Considering the way the Ukraine War is being conducted.
Tanks, Ships, etc - are all just targets for missiles and in a modern scheme of things are basically past their used by date. Remember the Sheffield Wednesday British ship being gone in 60 seconds via an Argie with a portable missile launcher.

If anything, North Korea will be the one that brings the USA into the Conflict. Other than that, the CCP will get its revenge on the Russians for their Soviet past.

...oh, btw. That's why Trump was given a big show of welcome by the CCP. While Putin sulked in the shadows.
Trump was basically laying down the law with the CCP that USA under him will be no 'direct' threat. Which kinda pleased China and made them growl at Russia a bit.
Smart man, Trump - despite his personality.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 5:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:32pm: Boris wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:06pm: China and Russia are jokes Dead men walking China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.  Xi Jinping is returning China to its Maoist recent past.

You didn't address my post; but indeed Xi is reaffirming the goal of common prosperity, while ensuring the economy grows at its fastest sustainable rate. That's something Mao did not achieve.   


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Talk about having daddy issues. Xi's avenged his father, his sister and himself for what Mao did to them and is on the verge of claiming Mao's imperial crown.

Talk about non-sensical narratives from a paranoid "China threat" ideologue.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 2:44pm:

indeed Xi is reaffirming the goal of common prosperity, while ensuring the economy grows at its fastest sustainable rate. That's something Mao did not achieve.

Xi's already claimed China has achieved moderate prosperity.

You don't know enough about Chinese culture to factor in cha bu duo into CCP doctrine.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 2:44pm:

Talk about non-sensical narratives from a paranoid "China threat" ideologue.

The CCP's PLA has no capacity to threaten any nation at all. The fake aircraft carrier it launched to great fanfare some months back gave the US military a good laugh.

The big-balls talk is cha bu duo for the Chinese in China.

Even the Chinese quietly mock CCP's fake military prowess.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 5:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:32pm: Boris wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 4:06pm: China and Russia are jokes Dead men walking China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.  For a non-Chinese, you sure have fallen for the Chinese predilection toward superstitious hocus-pocus.

Explained below?


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The Chinese have potions for everything, even for directing fate, which usually involve dried grasshopper legs and astrology.

Still waiting, let's read on....


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Shakespeare would have had permanent RSI writing Macbeth-style plays had he been a Chinese playwright.

Just as I thought, another of your fraudulent non-replies.

Let's try again:

China just needs to keep its cool.

Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China.

China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes.

Game over, without a shot being fired. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 2:58pm:

Just as I thought, another of your fraudulent non-replies. Let's try again: China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.

It's not up to the CCP to keep its cool. That's up to the US to decide.

If the CCP behaves itself as it returns China to third-world status in fact, all will be fine.

Otherwise, well... game over for the CCP.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 2:58pm: Just as I thought, another of your fraudulent non-replies. Let's try again: China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.  It's not up to the CCP to keep its cool. That's up to the US to decide.

....by refusing to recognize Taiwan independence....


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If the CCP behaves itself as it returns China to third-world status in fact, all will be fine.

And if, as most reputable economists agree, China surpasses the US in a decade, ....er.....


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Otherwise, well... game over for the CCP.

You mean - if China isn't returned to 3rd world status?
..the CCP will just roll over in the face of the US war- mongers?

Interesting - if delusional - theory....

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 1:07pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 1:03pm: Just another battle between 2 nuclear powered countries. A battle where nobody can win. And, everybody can lose. You underestimate 20-fold the US capacity for conventional warfare. It is calibrated to engage and defeat the next 2 powers below the US at the same time without the use of nukes.

I'm sure that both countries are keenly aware of each others military capabilities. China has 350 Nukes. If it is losing in a conventional war, it will eventually use its Nukes. Whether it is Russia, China, or N. Korea, these countries will use every weapon they have to protect themselves. And, of course the US will respond with every weapon it has. Do you think that Hitler would not have used Nukes, if he had any? We are just mutually assuring our own destruction.

Remember, the People's Republic of China signed a vow of non-interference, in Taiwan's internal affairs. And, would  respect Taiwan's sovereignty and territorial integrity. This was the  primary condition for normalizing China's relations with the United States in 1972. But also, that both countries would accept that Taiwan was a part of China.

But as usual, the US has repeatedly broken its promises by grossly interfering in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, and now Taiwan. So, why is the US deliberately provoking China? They were warned that Pelosi was not to set foot on Taiwanese soil.

Are they trying to show the world that they are not afraid of any nuclear arms country? That they can do anything, or go anywhere in the world they want? Now the US has the N. Korean missile testing in its sights. Claiming that their testing is a threat to the world. Because Japan and S. Korea feel threatened.

The US is not the moral or the policeman of the world. What it approves or disapproves of is totally irrelevant. It's national sovereignty does not extend beyond its borders.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:23pm:

Quote: China would whip USA arse according to... Just hope we don't find out. We seen with Russia that it isn't always like we think. Right back to the Vietnam days US troops didn't always have the best reputation but they do have numbers and tech on their side against most opponents. China is an unknown certainly impressive numbers There is no need for anyone to start anything, in fact it would be stupid.

The USA and China have fought each other before. Directly in the Korean War and indirectly in the Vietnam War. The next time the USA and China face off it will be catastrophic. Its called mutual destruction, followed by extinction where there are no winners and the innocent World will probably  die a slow and horrible death from the nuclear fallout.  :-X

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:00pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 2:58pm: Just as I thought, another of your fraudulent non-replies. Let's try again: China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.  It's not up to the CCP to keep its cool. That's up to the US to decide. ....by refusing to recognize Taiwan independence.... Quote: If the CCP behaves itself as it returns China to third-world status in fact, all will be fine. And if, as most reputable economists agree, China surpasses the US in a decade, ....er..... [quote]Otherwise, well... game over for the CCP.

You mean - if China isn't returned to 3rd world status?
..the CCP will just roll over in the face of the US war- mongers?

Interesting - if delusional - theory....
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Until you understand cha bu duo, you're not going to understand that the Chinese people are well aware of the pigsty the country's in.

The CCP is on target to be ended. The problem for the US is not that it can't easily be achieved, but that it would be achieved too quickly for the Asian continent to manage the power vacuum.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:20pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:00pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 2:58pm: Just as I thought, another of your fraudulent non-replies. Let's try again: China just needs to keep its cool. Biden is still preventing Taiwan from declaring independence ("One China" policy). Biden will have to reverse that policy, to provoke China. China should be the largest economy in the world within our lifetimes. Game over, without a shot being fired.  It's not up to the CCP to keep its cool. That's up to the US to decide. ....by refusing to recognize Taiwan independence.... Quote: If the CCP behaves itself as it returns China to third-world status in fact, all will be fine. And if, as most reputable economists agree, China surpasses the US in a decade, ....er..... [quote]Otherwise, well... game over for the CCP. You mean - if China isn't returned to 3rd world status? ..the CCP will just roll over in the face of the US war- mongers? Interesting - if delusional - theory....

Until you understand cha bu duo, you're not going to understand that the Chinese people are well aware of the pigsty the country's in.[/quote]

The Chinese people are well aware of the amazing strides made by their country in the last four decades.


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The CCP is on target to be ended. The problem for the US is not that it can't easily be achieved, but that it would be achieved too quickly for the Asian continent to manage the power vacuum.

Playing along: why would the US be concerned about a power vacuum in Asia?

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:27pm:

Playing along: why would the US be concerned about a power vacuum in Asia?

Gawd, where to start!

The sudden collapse of the CCP

1. The Chinese people will turn on CCP officials who robbed, raped, and murdered them. There will be slaughter as those victims seek revenge.

2. The Chinese superstate would be wracked by violent independence movements firstly in Hong Kong, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia.

3. Southern China may seek separation from the north. They even speak a separate language in the south.

4. All the 'stans will be destabilised, threatening Chinese territory as CCP influence collapses.

5. South East Asian nations will be wracked by internal wars as CCP influence collapses in those aligned to the CCP.

There's 5 things that would happen within a year.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:27pm: Playing along: why would the US be concerned about a power vacuum in Asia? Gawd, where to start! The sudden collapse of the CCP

That's what a power vacuum is....


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1. The Chinese people will turn on CCP officials who robbed, raped, and murdered them. There will be slaughter as those victims seek revenge.

As that fool Perlosi said (before she was held up by a raging mob in the US Capitol) of the "democracy" mob in HK: "what a lovely sight"..

Still waiting for you to identify US concern about a power vacuum in China...


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2. The Chinese superstate would be wracked by violent independence movements firstly in Hong Kong, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia.

And the US would be concerned...why?   

The creation of chaos via 'regime change' is a US speciality.


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3. Southern China may seek separation from the north. They even speak a separate language in the south.

 

still waiting....


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4. All the 'stans will be destabilised, threatening Chinese territory as CCP influence collapses.

A US wet-dream..what's not to like?
But why would  the stans who are on good terms with China threaten China?


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5. South East Asian nations will be wracked by internal wars as CCP influence collapses in those aligned to the CCP.

Same as the stans, and S. E. Asia is stable and independent enough to survive a CCP collapse.


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There's 5 things that would happen within a year.

And why would the US be concerned by any of it?

US global hegemony maintained, the ultimate goal....

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:35pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 3:27pm: Playing along: why would the US be concerned about a power vacuum in Asia? Gawd, where to start! The sudden collapse of the CCP That's what a power vacuum is.... Quote: 1. The Chinese people will turn on CCP officials who robbed, raped, and murdered them. There will be slaughter as those victims seek revenge. As that fool Perlosi said (before she was held up by a raging mob in the US Capitol) of the "democracy" mob in HK: "what a lovely sight".. Still waiting for you to identify US concern about a power vacuum in China... [quote]2. The Chinese superstate would be wracked by violent independence movements firstly in Hong Kong, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia.

And the US would be concerned...why?   

The creation of chaos via 'regime change' is a US speciality.


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3. Southern China may seek separation from the north. They even speak a separate language in the south.

 

still waiting....


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4. All the 'stans will be destabilised, threatening Chinese territory as CCP influence collapses.

A US wet-dream..what's not to like?
But why would  the stans who are on good terms with China threaten China?


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5. South East Asian nations will be wracked by internal wars as CCP influence collapses in those aligned to the CCP.

Same as the stans, and S. E. Asia is stable and independent enough to survive a CCP collapse.


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There's 5 things that would happen within a year.

And why would the US be concerned by any of it?

US global hegemony maintained, the ultimate goal....
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you need to talk to people who have lived in China and can trust you; and don't say you have. Your ignorance of Chinese culture and Asia is through the roof.

The resentment the ordinary Chinese bear against CCP officials is extreme, which is why the CCP hires organised crime gang members to help 'police' the local populace.

The southern Chinese treat northerners with complete contempt; there'd be no love lost between them.

East Turkestan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan are all Muslim countries - anything there, you think, that might cause militants, including those from west Asia, to 'seize the day'?

Destabilisation of this kind is greater than that of 1939.

”The resentment the ordinary Chinese bear against CCP officials is extreme, which is why the CCP hires organised crime gang members to help 'police' the local populace”.

Yes sadly true as hubby and I found out … we often talk about our China experience and how …umm… what description can I give the general populace…. thwarted? repressed? Mixed in with some fear?
When we were at Tiananmen Square… were warned not to mention anything about the massacre as there are spies listening.
So that means no freedom of speech.
Some did talk in confidence to me in broken English once they knew I wasn’t a spy… “you don’t understand how hard it is for us here”
I didn’t know what to say… I just felt sadness.
Basically these Chinese people truly are so lovely. But fed up! Yet can’t do anything… but I feel the boiling point will be reached one day, maybe more than one day… Hong Kong fight like hell to remain separate from rest of China…. but it’s a worry they may be fighting a losing battle?
The CCP seems hell bent on claiming so much around them including changing the maps …
Glad we went there but wouldn’t want to live there… and not keen on ever going back there again.
Once you know stuff… you just know… and would feel uncomfortable … maybe even a little paranoid if I ever went there again. I’d go to Hong Kong no problem… my daughter is dating a guy whose family are from there. And yes… he’s a rebel rouser… no fear to protest… freedom to speak… unlike the real China.

Tap wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Its called mutual destruction, followed by extinction where there are no winners and the innocent World will probably  die a slow and horrible death from the nuclear fallout.  :-X

Cool or what?

Sophia wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 1:20am:

When we were at Tiananmen Square… were warned not to mention anything about the massacre as there are spies listening. So that means no freedom of speech. Some did talk in confidence to me in broken English once they knew I wasn’t a spy… “you don’t understand how hard it is for us here”

Yes. And there are not only undercover CCP officials watching them and you while you're there.

There's a demographic known colloquially as 'evil uncles'. They are men in their 50s-70s who were teens or younger during Mao's cultural devolution. As teens, they were given power backed by Mao's CCP to denounce and bash their teachers and anyone in authority they claimed were counter-revolutionary. Xi Jinping, himself a teen then, and his family were on the wrong side back then.

These unpaid evil uncles often dress in pseudo-official 'uniform' (sometimes all in black), often wearing a belt with keys and chains hanging from their hips. They patrol the streets watching for 'transgressors'. They often look like security guards, so it's unwise not to follow their instructions as you could find yourself detained or questioned by real police.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 4:08pm:

you need to talk to people who have lived in China and can trust you; and don't say you have. Your ignorance of Chinese culture and Asia is through the roof.

No I don't, I need to expose your "law of the jungle"/ "individual freedom" ideological filth for what it is.

People are well aware the US, paranoid and determined to maintain US global  hegemony, is forcing the world back to the Cold War days, dividing the world into two...at a time of impending climate and ecological catastrophe. Cheered on by human "freedom"/'law of the jungle' garbage like you.   


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The resentment the ordinary Chinese bear against CCP officials is extreme, which is why the CCP hires organised crime gang members to help 'police' the local populace.

Harvard poll a few years back shows support for central CCP government c. 95%.

Cf current hearings into the US Captitol riots hearings exposing massive political division in the US.


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The southern Chinese treat northerners with complete contempt; there'd be no love lost between them.

large minorities in Repub states want to secede from the US.


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East Turkestan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan are all Muslim countries - anything there, you think, that might cause militants, including those from west Asia, to 'seize the day'?

China (like Israel)  is making friends with Muslim states in the ME.


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Destabilisation of this kind is greater than that of 1939.

The political instability in the US has no parallel since the civil war.

Sophia wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 1:20am:

”The resentment the ordinary Chinese bear against CCP officials is extreme, which is why the CCP hires organised crime gang members to help 'police' the local populace”. Yes sadly true as hubby and I found out … we often talk about our China experience and how …umm… what description can I give the general populace…. thwarted? repressed? Mixed in with some fear? When we were at Tiananmen Square… were warned not to mention anything about the massacre as there are spies listening. So that means no freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword, as the US Capitol riots riots - based on "the election was stolen" meme, proved


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Some did talk in confidence to me in broken English once they knew I wasn’t a spy… “you don’t understand how hard it is for us here”

Politoical division is part of the human condition; we are all driven by infinite  combinations of instinctive self interest and rationality. Many Chinese are proud of their nation's achievement in the last 4 decades. 



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I didn’t know what to say… I just felt sadness.

Sadness, but not concerned by the half the population living paycheck to pay ckeck in the US - the world's wealthiest 'democratic' nation. Your blind, stupid indifference to this crisis of inequality thoughout the world is all too evident.


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Basically these Chinese people truly are so lovely. But fed up! Yet can’t do anything… but I feel the boiling point will be reached one day, maybe more than one day… Hong Kong fight like hell to remain separate from rest of China…. but it’s a worry they may be fighting a losing battle?

Basically , you are a "me first" RW turd, with no interestr in collective well-being.   



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The CCP seems hell bent on claiming so much around them including changing the maps …

What, you mean the British empire didn't colonize HK?


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Glad we went there but wouldn’t want to live there… and not keen on ever going back there again. Once you know stuff… you just know… and would feel uncomfortable … maybe even a little paranoid if I ever went there again. I’d go to Hong Kong no problem… my daughter is dating a guy whose family are from there. And yes… he’s a rebel rouser… no fear to protest… freedom to speak… unlike the real China.

Good for you, you love democracy, you are among those who can prosper within the democracies.

I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:09am:

"individual freedom" ideological filth

The Chinese Communist Party's Politburo Standing Committee agree and refuse to have any opinions. Xi's tea cup reveals the will of Confucius who had no freedom and used inscribed goat bones which he tossed head-or-tails.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:24am:

generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies.

People starved under Mao. It all depends on the dictator's choices.

chimera wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:12am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:24am: generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies. People starved under Mao. It all depends on the dictator's choices.

That's right. Xi is aiming for common prosperity, while maximising sustainable growth.

Xi may be divine, the will of heaven and desperate to keep communism-capitalism in power. He may be immortal, let's hope for his PR employees.

chimera wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:24am:

Xi may be divine,

He's not, he has a goal of common prosperity.


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the will of heaven and desperate to keep communism-capitalism in power.

to achieve common prosperity, in contrast to the entrenched evasive generational poverty in the US.


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He may be immortal, let's hope for his PR employees.

 

Wrong...and waffle.

Gasp! He will die? Wash your mouth out, filthy poster. Another dictator may not be so pure and devout.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:24am:

I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies.

Feel free to sell all you have and give it to the poor.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:24am: I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies. Feel free to sell all you have and give it to the poor.

I despise poverty, unlike your greedy self - content as long as you are comfortable.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:24am:

I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed.

Yes the Philippines fishermen ruined by Chinese greed, the Vietnam oil-rig workers, the Himalayan herdsmen, the loan-shark victims in Sri Lanka. Bombing Taiwan is good for Taiwan.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:34am: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:24am: I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies. Feel free to sell all you have and give it to the poor. I despise poverty, unlike your greedy self - content as long as you are comfortable.

So, all your belongings are listed on ebay, with the proceeds going to the poor, then?

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:24am:

Sophia wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 1:20am: ”The resentment the ordinary Chinese bear against CCP officials is extreme, which is why the CCP hires organised crime gang members to help 'police' the local populace”. Yes sadly true as hubby and I found out … we often talk about our China experience and how …umm… what description can I give the general populace…. thwarted? repressed? Mixed in with some fear? When we were at Tiananmen Square… were warned not to mention anything about the massacre as there are spies listening. So that means no freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword, as the US Capitol riots riots - based on "the election was stolen" meme, proved Quote: Some did talk in confidence to me in broken English once they knew I wasn’t a spy… “you don’t understand how hard it is for us here” Politoical division is part of the human condition; we are all driven by infinite  combinations of instinctive self interest and rationality. Many Chinese are proud of their nation's achievement in the last 4 decades.  [quote]I didn’t know what to say… I just felt sadness.

Sadness, but not concerned by the half the population living paycheck to pay ckeck in the US - the world's wealthiest 'democratic' nation. Your blind, stupid indifference to this crisis of inequality thoughout the world is all too evident.


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Basically these Chinese people truly are so lovely. But fed up! Yet can’t do anything… but I feel the boiling point will be reached one day, maybe more than one day… Hong Kong fight like hell to remain separate from rest of China…. but it’s a worry they may be fighting a losing battle?

Basically , you are a "me first" RW turd, with no interestr in collective well-being.   



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The CCP seems hell bent on claiming so much around them including changing the maps …

What, you mean the British empire didn't colonize HK?


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Glad we went there but wouldn’t want to live there… and not keen on ever going back there again. Once you know stuff… you just know… and would feel uncomfortable … maybe even a little paranoid if I ever went there again. I’d go to Hong Kong no problem… my daughter is dating a guy whose family are from there. And yes… he’s a rebel rouser… no fear to protest… freedom to speak… unlike the real China.

Good for you, you love democracy, you are among those who can prosper within the democracies.

I despise the evasive generational poverty and disadvantaged maintained by greed, in the democracies.

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As we were talking about China in this thread … that’s what my respond was …
If it’s about all countries you wish to discuss re: poverty etc.
Then yes… it exists in many places.
I’ve seen how poor the Fijians are… at that time unemployment was 25%
Bali is another country … depending so much on tourism… a friend we have over there struggling during lockdowns… my son’s mil and I sent money to help them.
My daughter and I we sponsor young children in poorer countries via Child fund for 3 decades now..
Plus we donate to save animals and certain environmental orgs.
Since you’re busy calling me a turd?
Wash your filthy mouth out. Lowering yourself to name calling does not strengthen your viewpoints.

Oh I’ve been to see family in USA and the majority of people in USA are doing okay… lots of nice cars, in fact a mammoth amount of cars!) ….freedom, unlike the poor Chinese with clagged out motor scooters held together with duct tape. Family of 3 riding one bike… and baby in arm with no safety harness.
Yep I can compare because I’ve seen both countries.
How much freedom do Americans have… exercising their right to bear arms? Are Chinese people allowed to do that?
In the USA they can have their own homes… not in China… except for wealthy tea, rice growers etc. the rest are on 70 year government lease in apartments.
And the amount of one and two story houses being destroyed to build high rise apartments in its place is astounding! How do you think the people that owned them feel? Like when the Beijing Olympics were to be held… farmers were forced out…dragged and whipped or went MIA so their farm houses could be pulled to build the Olympic stadium etc.

Besides …. This isn’t a pissing contest which country has more poor people …. We will all descend there with rising costs and interest rates … that’s the elites plan. I already see the struggles my adult kids and their gen are going through here in Oz.
You must be in that gen age group?

Yes I’m older and have been frugal all my life! No holidays… no new furniture… never a new car… bombs more like it…. Lucky hubby is a mechanic, blessings there.
We never went out to eat as it was expensive. No alcohol except for special occasions.
We had no wedding reception as it was an expense we could do without, and I made my own wedding dress.
So don’t you dare come at me as if we are some well to do lazy lugs that never worked hard and scrimped and saved and did without.
And if there are problems with certain poorer or homeless groups, as my friend is about to think of living in her car…. Apart from many of us generous donating Aussies that we are…. that’s right… it’s us mere peons… people helping people… while our grubberments help themselves and then drive our country into spiralling debt.
But we all know that is happening already… it’s getting worse… not better…

I ran out of space… wanted to write… we look at how poorer countries are living, surviving… and are we far off from that ourselves? Who was it that said “you will own nothing and you will be happy”. ?

Sophia wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:58am:

As we were talking about China in this thread … that’s what my respond was … If it’s about all countries you wish to discuss re: poverty etc. Then yes… it exists in many places.

Correct.


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I’ve seen how poor the Fijians are… at that time unemployment was 25% Bali is another country … depending so much on tourism… a friend we have over there struggling during lockdowns… my son’s mil and I sent money to help them. My daughter and I we sponsor young children in poorer countries via Child fund for 3 decades now.. Plus we donate to save animals and certain environmental orgs. Since you’re busy calling me a turd?

The comfortable  RW are turds, for acquiescing in poverty wherever it occurs.  Like the RW radio announcers who insisted poverty cannot be eliminated. Turds.


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Wash your filthy mouth out. Lowering yourself to name calling does not strengthen your viewpoints.

You acquiesce in poverty, and assuage your greed with charity which does nothing to eliminate the causes of systemic poverty; and you rave about democracy in HK, where some live in the streets and sleep in rented boxes the size of coffins.   


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Oh I’ve been to see family in USA and the majority of people in USA are doing okay… lots of nice cars, in fact a mammoth amount of cars!)

Ah...that favoured majority, forget the near 50% living paycheck to paycheck or worse ….


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freedom, unlike the poor Chinese with clagged out motor scooters held together with duct tape. Family of 3 riding one bike… and baby in arm with no safety harness.

China now has the largest car market in the world, with NEVs the biggest share in the world.


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Yep I can compare because I’ve seen both countries. How much freedom do Americans have… exercising their right to bear arms? Are Chinese people allowed to do that?

No, and China is MUCH safer to live in than the US.


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In the USA they can have their own homes…

...where like in all the West, home ownership rates are falling. 


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not in China… except for wealthy tea, rice growers etc. the rest are on 70 year government lease in apartments.

a home lease is much better than homelessness or unaffordable rents.


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And the amount of one and two story houses being destroyed to build high rise apartments in its place is astounding! How do you think the people that owned them feel? Like when the Beijing Olympics were to be held… farmers were forced out…dragged and whipped or went MIA so their farm houses could be pulled to build the Olympic stadium etc.

Sometimes the state needs to acquire private property in any nation, compensation is key.


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Besides …. This isn’t a pissing contest which country has more poor people ….

Indeed it's not, it's a contest between which system can eliminate poverty. 


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We will all descend there with rising costs and interest rates … that’s the elites plan. I already see the struggles my adult kids and their gen are going through here in Oz. You must be in that gen age group?

That's the current state of neoliberal economics in the West. China is reversing the 'housing as private investment' rent-seeking for personal greed.

"Houses are for living in", as Xi has recently re-affirmed.


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Yes I’m older and have been frugal all my life! No holidays… no new furniture… never a new car… bombs more like it…. Lucky hubby is a mechanic, blessings there. We never went out to eat as it was expensive. No alcohol except for special occasions. We had no wedding reception as it was an expense we could do without, and I made my own wedding dress.

Good for you; but you have no knowledge of macroeconomics and the current economic orthodoxy responsible for entrenched poverty.   


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So don’t you dare come at me as if we are some well to do lazy lugs that never worked hard and scrimped and saved and did without.

It's your ignorance of the egregious effects of  'democratic' neoliberal economics resulting in entrenched poverty which is reprehensible - poverty seen all around the world, and which the CCP is determined to overcome, to achieve common prosperity. 


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And if there are problems with certain poorer or homeless groups, as my friend is about to think of living in her car…. Apart from many of us generous donating Aussies that we are…. that’s right… it’s us mere peons… people helping people… while our grubberments help themselves and then drive our country into spiralling debt. But we all know that is

Unfortunately, you don't know anything about the causes; the greed-based private sector is the prime villain.  

Ideologically blind Sky New anchor condemns China for spending c.$250 billion on the military this year, when the US spends more than 3 times that amount on the military:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/harrowing-western-world-leaders-questioned-over-not-taking-china-seriously/ar-BB1jGAkH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=09d613d2683d4cb1a764f0e715805cd9&ei=16

‘Harrowing’: Western world leaders questioned over not taking China ‘seriously’.

The USA could not attack Russia or China because they are neighbors with a common interest in defeating the US.

The USA would be faced with extremely long logistics lines in such a conflict which would make victory a near impossibility.

The USA would also face attacks from North Korea if there was a such a conflict.

Sophia wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:58am:

...............   I we sponsor young children in poorer countries via Child fund for 3 decades now.. Plus we donate to save animals and certain environmental orgs. ..........  Yes I’m older and have been frugal all my life! No holidays… no new furniture… never a new car… bombs more like it…. Lucky hubby is a mechanic, blessings there. ..........

Well done Lols, I am similar to that.
Have sponsored children, do not now.
Never had a new car, had cheap weddings, always took my own lunch to work, often cycled to work.

Good to meet you

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:39pm:

Ideologically blind Sky New anchor condemns China for spending c.$250 billion on the military this year, when the US spends more than 3 times that amount on the military: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/harrowing-western-world-leaders-questioned-over-not-taking-china-seriously/ar-BB1jGAkH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=09d613d2683d4cb1a764f0e715805cd9&ei=16 ‘Harrowing’: Western world leaders questioned over not taking China ‘seriously’.

World War 3 will send many nations into poverty.
$200 million Patriot Missile System blown up easily by Russia in Ukraine.
It's going to be a very very costly war indeed.
Technology does that - it 'bleeds' money.

China is terrified.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDskDRma4AA-j6D?.jpg

Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 4:55pm:

China is terrified. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDskDRma4AA-j6D?.jpg

Today, Washington has once again turned its attention to securing output from foreign mines– this time in Europe. This is partly because critical minerals are China’s strongest card to play in economic warfare between the world’s two superpowers. China is the world’s largest producer of 29 of the 50 minerals the US government defines as critical. Chinese firms mine these metals, mostly abroad, and then process 40 to 90 per cent of the ores within the PRC, creating a chokehold on key markets. This is the result of four decades of strategic policy. Deng Xiaoping said in 1992 that ‘the Middle East has oil, [and] China has rare earths’ – but unlike in oil, the United States itself is not a major producer.

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A significant proportion of Ukrainian minerals – including about half of its rare earth deposits – are in areas of the country under Russian control, and Putin is looking to do his own deal to supply the US with rare earths. The draft Ukraine deal also gives the US a share in future oil and natural gas projects in Ukraine, but crucially not in existing, profitable projects. As the world’s largest producer of oil and gas, the US hardly needs these rights.

True, Ukraine has one of Europe’s largest lithium reserves, a key input into electric vehicle batteries and utility-scale storage. Ukraine also has significant deposits of gallium and graphite, two key inputs in the semiconductor industry. (China has a near-monopoly on global gallium and graphite production and has recently imposed export controls and bans on shipments to the United States.)

Yet the United States has its own substantial lithium reserves – more than triple those of Ukraine – as do US partners such as Australia (the world’s largest lithium producer) and Chile. Furthermore, one of the few points of agreement between Trump and Joe Biden’s administration was the need to ‘nearshore’ the supply of critical minerals, siting production and processing at home and in friendly geographies. That was why the Biden administration introduced tax credits for EV batteries made from metals mined in the US or in free-trade partners such as Australia, Chile, Canada or Mexico, and backed investments in foreign mines destined for the US market.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dirty-deal-what-trump-really-wants-from-ukraines-natural-resources/


The US has no interest in Ukraine except in so far as it has any relevance to its rivalry with China.

Two weeks ago. China had secret talks with Indonesia.
If you look at the stats of comparison with Indonesia, they could occupy a lot of Australia easily.
By coincidence, some of the Chinese Navy doing exercises, not reconnaissance, like Japan doing science, not whaling - around Australia... probably for Indonesia. China being expected to do such a thing, while Indonesia not so - otherwise it would really put the cat among the pigeons.

Jasin wrote on Mar 9^th, 2025 at 11:35am:

Two weeks ago. China had secret talks with Indonesia. If you look at the stats of comparison with Indonesia, they could occupy a lot of Australia easily. By coincidence, some of the Chinese Navy doing exercises, not reconnaissance, like Japan doing science, not whaling - around Australia... probably for Indonesia. China being expected to do such a thing, while Indonesia not so - otherwise it would really put the cat among the pigeons.

Jasin - with his delusional democracy equals freedom ideology - is  talking up the 'China threat'  theory, while he supports wrecking Oz's budget to project force into the Taiwan Strait. 

Go figure.

Hence China needs to show  China can also stick its nose into Oz  affairs.

Meanwhile, Indonesia knows which country supports its development,  eg assisting in the construction of  the nation's first HSR,  at an affordable price. 

China Retaliates Against Tariffs By Putting Worse Fortunes Into Cookies

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BEIJING — As part of an escalating global trade war, the Chinese government announced plans to retaliate against President Donald Trump's tariffs by putting worse fortunes into their cookies.

Highly placed sources within the Chinese Communist Party confirmed that production had been ramped up on newer, more disturbing fortunes to place inside cookies to be shipped to thousands of restaurants across the United States.

"Less than happy outcomes are in your future," said one slip of paper seen by a fortune cookie insider. Other fortunes reportedly created to combat Trump's tariffs include "Your baseball team is unlikely to make the playoffs," "A Mexican mariachi band will soon move in next door," and "Full control of Star Wars will soon be given to Rian Johnson," which were sure to take the trade conflict between China and the U.S. up a notch.

"We are prepared to make these fortunes much worse," Chinese President Xi Jinping said via state-controlled media. "If the United States insists on implementing these foolish tariffs, they can look forward to far more devastating and terrifying fortune cookies with every purchase of Chinese takeout."

A Trump administration insider said the president remained committed to the tariffs no matter how belligerent the fortune cookie messages may become.

At publishing time, a West Covina, California man had reportedly contacted the federal government to notify them of the "American dogs will soon bow down to the great Chinese dragon" fortune he found along with his order of General Tso's chicken.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 9^th, 2025 at 1:47pm:

delusional democracy equals freedom ideology - is  talking up the 'China threat'  theory, while he supports wrecking Oz's budget to project force into the Taiwan Strait.

More non-English non-sense.  An unending circle of un-facts.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02pm:

That farrking prime minister of Ukraine is an actor. He loves his nato green screens.  ;D China and Russia combined will flatten em. USA is broke. It cannot afford a cuppa tea let alone a war. Over 30T or something now. Team merika...fuukk yeah.  :D Xi just told all chinese people to get out of Ukraine.  ::)

First of all, he's the President of Ukraine. He was chosen in an election. So was Ronald Reagan, also an actor. Arnold Schwarzenegger was also an actor who became Governor of California. Donald Trump was a failed business tycoon who turned to reality TV before becoming a failed President of the United States.

Secondly, while the Chinese may have a larger navy in terms of numbers, they lack something that the US makes up for enormously - war fighting experience. They also lack the skills to project power, unlike the US, who has a true blue-water navy. Russia are a joke - they can't even take tiny little Ukraine, a nation using mostly cold-war Soviet-era military equipment.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 10:10am:

Secondly, while the Chinese may have a larger navy in terms of numbers, they lack something that the US makes up for enormously - war fighting experience. They also lack the skills to project power, unlike the US, who has a true blue-water navy.

A spokesman for the CCP said (on last night's 'Four Corners' program)  re Taiwan, in answer to the interrogator's  question "why can't the people of Taiwan choose their own destiny": "the people in a province of a nation can't choose, without regard to the entire nation's wishes, eg, many people in Texas want to secede from the US, but the nation won't allow it".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements

As for China's navy, it already has 3 aircraft carriers including the latest with the most advanced technologies, and Taiwan is only 130 kms from the mainland whose missiles  the US navy would have to confront (and both nations have IBMs capable of stiking the other's mainland  (in the age of MAD...).

Trump doesn't answer the question whether he will defend Taiwan, for good reason, ie, strategic ambiguity - keeping the opponent guessing. Xi is playing the same game, so long as Trump doesn't openly support the DPP secessionists (40% of Taiwanese) and maintains the official "one China" UN policy. 

Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China

Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse.

After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse.

A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy.

President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around.


During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office.

Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet.



Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 2:38pm:

Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse. After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse. A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy. President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around. During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office. Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet. Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus.

Not satire?

The funniest part about all the misinformation in this area is that it's only fooling the Trump supporters in the US and the lower IQ Trump fans abroad.

It will just leave them shocked and dismayed when they act like Trump is smashing it out of the park, only to see him back down, twice now, in extremely humiliating circumstances.

Forget that the tariffs have not been in anyway about the goals they've stated and were just market manipulation tools, but I wonder how long until Trump backs down against China, and if he doesn't if he's willing to spend the Trillions in the US economy to save it from his actions?

Or will he be too busy playing golf and not care?

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 3:34pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm: Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse. After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse. A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy. President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around. During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office. Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet. Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus. Not satire? The funniest part about all the misinformation in this area is that it's only fooling the Trump supporters in the US and the lower IQ Trump fans abroad. It will just leave them shocked and dismayed when they act like Trump is smashing it out of the park, only to see him back down, twice now, in extremely humiliating circumstances. Forget that the tariffs have not been in anyway about the goals they've stated and were just market manipulation tools, but I wonder how long until Trump backs down against China, and if he doesn't a) if he's willing to spend the Trillions in the US economy to save it from his actions? Or b) will he be too busy playing golf and not care?

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Trump got respect from that little Ukraine boy.
He gets respect from Putin and Xi. Well, not much, but anyway he should. He demands it to make the US respected. Otherwise, it's a back-flip and hand-flaps, like an Olympic athlete for gold.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2025 at 2:38pm:

Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse. After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse. A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy. President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around. During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office. Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet. Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus.

Strange. Vlad and Kim were nowhere to be sent, and they got zero tariffs.

Cunning, no?

Melanias purse wrote on Apr 13^th, 2025 at 5:56pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm: Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse. After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse. A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy. President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around. During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office. Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet. Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus. Strange. Vlad and Kim were nowhere to be sent, and they got zero tariffs. Cunning, no?

Yes, very cunning. Both are sanctioned.

Frank wrote on Apr 14^th, 2025 at 4:19pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Apr 13th, 2025 at 5:56pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm: Xi Jinping’s epic bungling of Trump backfires on China Xi Jinping and his council of yes men have made a series of epic blunders over the last six days — and they look poised to make China’s disaster even worse. After Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement last Thursday, all leaders around the world except for one took essentially the same strategy: they sat on their hands and hoped international share markets would force America’s president to overturn his tariff apocalypse. A few, like the leaders of Vietnam, Japan and South Korea, spoke directly — and respectfully — to America’s president and tried to negotiate improved trade terms with the world’s biggest economy. However much they disliked Trump’s policy, and even Trump himself, they thought this the smartest strategy. President Xi and his loyal comrades took an entirely different approach. They hit back — and hard. They wanted to show the world that China would not be pushed around. During his twelve years in power, Xi’s management of the egos of American presidents has been about an ongoing debacle. It has been during his reign that much of America’s business community turned on China. It was his choice not to accommodate at least some of America’s concerns about China’s economic practices back when Barack Obama, or Trump the first, or Joe Biden were in office. Now, with an ego to match his own back in the White House, there is no reason to think that is about to change. For many in China, these are grim times indeed. And the darkening isn’t over yet. Tellembuggerem.  They slapped tariffs on us for simply floating the idea of a transparent inquiry into the origins of  the ChiComm virus. Strange. Vlad and Kim were nowhere to be sent, and they got zero tariffs. Cunning, no? Yes, very cunning. Both are sanctioned.

Oh, I see. And which part of your DL's administration sanctioned them, dear boy?

In the words of the poetess... ?

XINJIANG PROVINCE — Prisoners in the notorious Xinjiang concentration camp have expressed deep concern about America being such a mean bully to China.

After years of being tortured in Chinese government re-education centers, the prisoners were aghast at the news that America was singling out China for punishing tariffs.

"How could America be so mean to the Chinese government? It's really shocking," said prisoner Jin Shuren. "Those of us here in the concentration camp are taking time between being tortured to write letters asking America to stop being such a bully. What has China ever done to deserve this?"

At publishing time, Chinese authorities have shed new light on the famous protester who faced down tanks in Tiananmen Square, explaining that the man was actually protesting America being a bully.

Frank wrote on Apr 15^th, 2025 at 10:43am:

XINJIANG PROVINCE — Prisoners in the notorious Xinjiang concentration camp have expressed deep concern about America being such a mean bully to China.

No,  the separatist, terrorist 'prisoners' in Xinjiang's "notorious concentration camps" are colluding with the US, to maintain their fictional 'genocide' accusations against China. 

They should be thankful China doesn't adopt the US (and Israeli) method for dealing with terrorists, namely, bombing them. 



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At publishing time, Chinese authorities have shed new light on the famous protester who faced down tanks in Tiananmen Square, explaining that the man was actually protesting America being a bully.

No: the CCP was determined to avoid the fate of the USSR,  learnt its lesson from the TS protests,  and "opened up" the economy,  thereby initiating the "Chinese miracle" ie the fastest eradication of poverty in history.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

the CCP was determined to avoid the fate of the USSR,  learnt its lesson from the TS protests,  and "opened up" the economy,

Indeed, TS had the statue of liberty lady holding a welding torch. This led to liberty welding for freedom welders for free welding, the torch of welds and profits of double talk welding.

chimera wrote on Apr 8^th, 2025 at 9:30am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 9th, 2025 at 1:47pm: delusional democracy equals freedom ideology - is  talking up the 'China threat'  theory, while he supports wrecking Oz's budget to project force into the Taiwan Strait.   More non-English non-sense.  An unending circle of un-facts.

Let's take it slowly for you....

"delusional democracy equals freedom ideology...

ie the "freedom" to subsist in socio-economic disadvantage, like the homeless, and like Oz's (involuntary) "Job -Seekers"?

The same job seekers who the "democratic" government says it cannot afford to lift above the poverty-line because it has to 'balance its budget' (which is nonsense, as I have explained many times) while spending $380 billion on subs to protect Oz from the 'China Threat'.

You are displaying how your blind "freedom values" ideology cripples your ability to comprehend plain english. 

 

chimera wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 5:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 5:38pm: the CCP was determined to avoid the fate of the USSR,  learnt its lesson from the TS protests,  and "opened up" the economy,  Indeed, TS had the statue of liberty lady holding a welding torch. This led to liberty welding for freedom welders for free welding, the torch of welds and profits of double talk welding.

And you accused me of writing non-English non-sense......oh dear....

Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".
 

Now the Chinese government enjoys the support of the vast majority of  Chinese people, while the democracies are imploding.   

China is ****ed.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:02pm:

You are displaying how your blind "freedom values" ideology cripples your ability to comprehend plain english.

You haven't yet given one example of a Ozpol post of 'ideology'.  The English word 'freedom' can't mean 'wealth'.
You confuse Beijing's 'economic politics' with 'English language'. You also assume people here are fascinated by the reduction in China's poverty as the answer to all comments on China. You have triple errors, in post after boring nonsensical post.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:09pm:

Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".

Liberty (自由女神; zìyóu nǚshén), was a 10-metre-tall (33 ft) statue created during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.
Plainly, the economic policy of the torch she held was the miracle of welding. (welding 'the process of freedom by joining liberty to steel or aluminium'.

You have to admit, though - Trump is doing a great job so far ....

Ah, so - China Democratic People's Republic is not true? Who'd have thunk that?  Democracy Numbah ten!!  Now everyone know!!

'The S&P 500 also edged nearer to confirmation of a bear market, finishing almost 19% below its record close on February 19.'
$10 trillion bucks on 52 trillion. This is familiar business for Mr T. the rex.

chimera wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 6:02pm: You are displaying how your blind "freedom values" ideology cripples your ability to comprehend plain english.  You haven't yet given one example of a Ozpol post of 'ideology'.  The English word 'freedom' can't mean 'wealth'.

Er...the US Constitution's  assertion of the existance of 'natural, inalienable, self-evident rights' IS an ideology - and it's delusional, as I have shown on other threads on Ozpol.  (In short: 'individual rights' (in the Western tradition)  are merely desires, not some sort of natural law).

Indeed freedom is independent of wealth, who said otherwise?

The problem is freemarket economic theory based on the freedom of self-interested individuals to compete in  "efficient, invisible hand, free markets" without regard to the collective's well-being.

Hence the "right to pursue happiness".... duh - that's what we all desire; and Al Capone  indulged in quite a bit of murder on the way to achieve the wealth he considered was synonymous with his own happiness .


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You confuse Beijing's 'economic politics' with 'English language'.

No; and the error in your original silly assertion ("not one example of 'ideology' on Ozpol")  again confirms why your ideological blindness renders you incapable of facing reality, eg "rights" are actually codification of desires, not some sort of natural law.   


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You also assume people here are fascinated by the reduction in China's poverty as the answer to all comments on China. You have triple errors, in post after boring nonsensical post.

More nonsense. Many people are "fascinated" by the 'Chinese miracle', and many 3rd world leaders want to emulate it. 

But certainly not encompassing "all comments on China".....hyperbole to be expected from your crippled powers of comprehension.

chimera wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 6:09pm: Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".      Liberty (自由女神; zìyóu nǚshén), was a 10-metre-tall (33 ft) statue created during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

Created by counter-revolutionaries who wanted to demolish the 'Marxist' revolution initiated by the CCP.  As happens when individual desire is elevated  above the well-being of the collective.


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Plainly, the economic policy of the torch she held was the miracle of welding.

Your error: "economic policy" (whether capitalist, free market, Marxist or whatever) is not defined by 'the miracle of welding"; please learn to express your meaning in plain English.   


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(welding 'the process of freedom by joining liberty to steel or aluminium'.

More giberrish; the desire for freedom is real, it's not a "process". 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:56pm:

You have to admit, though - Trump is doing a great job so far ....

He's certainly hoping he can demolish China the same way the US demolished the USSR.

But many Western economists are saying Trump will lose. 

Stay tuned.


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Ah, so - China Democratic People's Republic is not true? Who'd have thunk that?  Democracy Numbah ten!!  Now everyone know!!

Of course it's not true. It's called 'The Peoples Republic of China'.

"Democracy is the worst form of government"....so China wisely omitted that particular word. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

National unity (as opposed to "freedom"-based, adversarial, hyper-partisanship) to achieve common prosperity is a new concept; it's not exploitative, it's inclusive. BS, your interpretation suits your delusional "freedom" ideology as always; the goal is per capita income comparable to the US by the centenary of the revolution, but much more evenly shared (hence "common prosperity").

Here you go, three years ago.  Again, no-one here is talking ideology, freedom and income goals. Just you. No-one here is interested in policy on Chinese poverty. Just you. The CCP discovered that western capitalism gets economies going? wow..and then there's problems ? .. wow..
just you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

chimera wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 6:54pm: Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".      Liberty (自由女神; zìyóu nǚshén), was a 10-metre-tall (33 ft) statue created during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

So you're dead set un-humorous. You agree with TS movement then disagree when it's demonsrably not CCP. If they said black is white you would dead-set seriously argue for it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 11:18am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 6:56pm: You have to admit, though - Trump is doing a great job so far .... He's certainly hoping he can demolish China the same way the US demolished the USSR. But many Western economists are saying Trump will lose.

History's not on his side.

He's become quite adept at losing.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

Created by counter-revolutionaries who wanted to demolish the 'Marxist' revolution initiated by the CCP.  As happens when individual desire is elevated  above the well-being of the collective.

In a dramatic show of collective action, thousands of workers at BYD's factories in Wuxi and Chengdu walked off the job in late March and early April 2025, protesting steep pay cuts and deteriorating working conditions.
https://clb.org.hk/en/content/byd-workers-lead-mass-strikes-challenge-wage-cuts-and-broken-promises#:~:text=In%20a%20dramatic%20show%20of,cuts%20and%20deteriorating%20working%20conditions.
Local party member thegreatdivide argued 13591 times that only western ideology stops workers from obeying orders and accepting their unified wealth.  The great policy of CCP guarantees everything is new and excellent and minds shall not be blocked by other freedoms. The boss agreed and went off to check his profits.

chimera wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 12:12pm: National unity (as opposed to "freedom"-based, adversarial, hyper-partisanship) to achieve common prosperity is a new concept; it's not exploitative, it's inclusive. BS, your interpretation suits your delusional "freedom" ideology as always; the goal is per capita income comparable to the US by the centenary of the revolution, but much more evenly shared (hence "common prosperity"). Here you go, three years ago.

That's right:  national unity,  as defined in the nation's  Constitution - as opposed to democratic hyper-partisanship and disunity,  under delusional  Western "natural rights"  ideology. 

And today I wrote: "the US Constitution's  assertion of the existance of 'natural, inalienable, self-evident rights' IS an ideology - and it's delusional

Your point?


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The CCP discovered that western capitalism gets economies going? wow..and then there's problems ? .. wow..just you.

Your error (and the CCP's - the result of China trying to counter (in 2010-18) the effects of the GFC 'subprime'-caused recession in the US): there are limits to free market "efficiency", as Xi finally acknowledged when he said (after China's  own private sector housing bust)  "houses are for living in, not for 'get rich quick' investment schemes".

House prices are still falling in China - causing a loss of private sector confidence, so China  is in danger of emulating Japan's 1990 housing bust, followed by a decades-long deflation in prices,  even while avoiding actual recession. Note: Japan and China don't have massive immigration programs like Oz, (and to a lesser extent, the US) which supports the housing price ponzi in Oz, leading to Oz's own housing crisis.

But there is a solution, provided  the PBofC can ignore erroneous Western mainstream  economic dogma re government debt... and subsidize inadequate private consumption in China.  

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 12:09pm:

And today I wrote: "the US Constitution's  assertion of the existance of 'natural, inalienable, self-evident rights' IS an ideology - and it's delusional Your point?

Hey, this is Australia. We aren't committed to US Constitution.
Who in Ozpol is pushing the ideology (apart from your repetitious claims?)


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Your error (and the CCP's - )

What error did I make about market efficiency? Do you hear voices in your head?
The CCP NEVER makes mistakes and knows that TS was for higher economic data in production and global market share.
(The strikes in Wuxi and Chengdu didn't exist as CCP policy doesn't need them).
Note: do not smile, humour is not official routine.)

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:09pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 5:48pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 5:38pm: the CCP was determined to avoid the fate of the USSR,  learnt its lesson from the TS protests,  and "opened up" the economy,  Indeed, TS had the statue of liberty lady holding a welding torch. This led to liberty welding for freedom welders for free welding, the torch of welds and profits of double talk welding. And you accused me of writing non-English non-sense......oh dear.... Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".   Now the Chinese government enjoys the support of the vast majority of  Chinese people, while the democracies are imploding.

Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

Polsters take names. If they're anonymous, the IP address is recorded. In China, all Internet use is monitored. Physical movements are monitored by street cameras. Financial transactions are monitored through payment data.

I'm sorry, dear, there's simply no way out. They record your Internet use, your movements and your consumption. There's a big computer in Beijing with all your data in it, name and number. Your government probably knows what you're thinking and feeling before you do.

If anyone answered negatively in one of those surveys, it could have a serious impact on their employment, their study options, even their permission to move or travel.

You know this. You're probably posting here in an attempt to favour the government in some way yourself, but do you know?

We don't want this here. Overly-controlling governments seriously freak us out.  You may have observed the damage to democracy caused by a simple emergency lockdown. Conspiracy freaks, fake news and a shift in public opinion that saw democratic governments turfed out globally.

There must have been a similar backlash in China - your lockdowns were far more restrictive. If you think people are fine with having the gates to their apartment blocks welded shut, you mustn't have learned anything from a discussion board where people can say what they think.

Sure, Chinese citizens may tick all the right boxes in an opinion poll, but if you think they're not feeling dissatisfied, you've been farmed.

Ever get the feeling?

Don't answer that.

chimera wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 12:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 20th, 2025 at 12:09pm: And today I wrote: "the US Constitution's  assertion of the existance of 'natural, inalienable, self-evident rights' IS an ideology - and it's delusional Your point? Hey, this is Australia. We aren't committed to US Constitution. Who in Ozpol is pushing the ideology (apart from your repetitious claims?)

Your error: ideology forms/is the basis of the point of view of all the 'contending contributions' (..I like that alliteration) on Ozpol.


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What error did I make about market efficiency?

See above; your (contending economic) ideology is based on Western 'freedom values' which informs classical economics.


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Do you hear voices in your head?

No, I join the dots between "freedom values" ideology and classical "free market efficiency" economic dogma.


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The CCP NEVER makes mistakes

An obviously  erroneous assertion - they are human too....


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and knows that TS was for higher economic data in production and global market share.

So,  let's agree the TS protests were about reforming the economy to achieve that outcome. 

But the CCP wasn't about to abandon its "Marxist" vision of 'common prosperity' which the capitalist democracies were patently not capable of delivering, and still aren't: systemic poverty remains entrenched in the 'rich' developed 'first world'.

So the CCP adopted some elements of private enterprise and free markets.   

OTOH, comfortable democrats have a particular propensity to ignore the failures in their own economic system, since they are comfortable,  eg often heard in Oz: "we are living in the best country in the world"...ignoring the plight of those suffering in the housing and c-o-l crisis - who would NOT be inclined to utter such nonsense.   


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(The strikes in Wuxi and Chengdu didn't exist as CCP policy doesn't need them). Note: do not smile, humour is not official routine.)

Another of your mangled narratives based on your ideological world view.   

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 11:55am:

Your error: ideology forms/is the basis of the point of view of all the 'contending contributions'on Ozpol. your (contending economic) ideology is based on Western 'freedom values' which informs classical economics. No, I join the dots between "freedom values" ideology and classical "free market efficiency" economic dogma. So,  let's agree the TS protests were about reforming the economy to achieve that outcome.

You are talking to yourself. Keep going, I'm outta here.

Melanias purse wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 6:09pm: chimera wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 5:48pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19th, 2025 at 5:38pm: the CCP was determined to avoid the fate of the USSR,  learnt its lesson from the TS protests,  and "opened up" the economy,  Indeed, TS had the statue of liberty lady holding a welding torch. This led to liberty welding for freedom welders for free welding, the torch of welds and profits of double talk welding. And you accused me of writing non-English non-sense......oh dear.... Plainly, the CCP changed economic policy as a result of the TS protests, initiating the "Chinese miracle".   Now the Chinese government enjoys the support of the vast majority of  Chinese people, while the democracies are imploding. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they? Polsters take names. If they're anonymous, the IP address is recorded. In China, all Internet use is monitored. Physical movements are monitored by street cameras. Financial transactions are monitored through payment data. I'm sorry, dear, there's simply no way out. They record your Internet use, your movements and your consumption. There's a big computer in Beijing with all your data in it, name and number. Your government probably knows what you're thinking and feeling before you do.

From this Harvard-associated poll  conducted in China:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

“We thought it would be helpful to know how satisfied citizens were with different levels of government, and in particular how satisfied they were with different kinds of government services,” said Saich.

The work began in 2003, and together with a leading private research and polling company in China, the team developed a series of questionnaires for in-person interviews. The surveys were conducted in eight waves from 2003 through 2016, and captured opinion data from 32,000 individual respondents.

“There’s nothing comparable done on this scale, over such a long period of time, and over a large geographic area,” said Jesse Turiel, a China public policy postdoctoral fellow and co-author who worked closely with Saich and Cunningham on the project’s analysis and subsequent publications."

The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38% 


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If anyone answered negatively in one of those surveys, it could have a serious impact on their employment, their study options, even their permission to move or travel. You know this. You're probably posting here in an attempt to favour the government in some way yourself, but do you know?

No, I've an open mind on different forms of government; I know the CCP has eradicated absolute poverty at the fastest rate in history during the last 4 decades, aka the 'Chinese miracle', acknowledged by the World Bank which measure global statistics on global poverty. 


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We don't want this here. Overly-controlling governments seriously freak us out.  You may have observed the damage to democracy caused by a simple emergency lockdown. Conspiracy freaks, fake news and a shift in public opinion that saw democratic governments turfed out globally.

The CCP was faced with managing  the pandemic for a huge population,  with still existing poor medical standards in the rural hinterlands. Vic. too employed its own methods, hated by sovereign citizen ideologues. Who wa right? The death toll in many countries was alarming.


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There must have been a similar backlash in China - your lockdowns were far more restrictive.

Not mine; do you think an Australian  can't despise the West's  "freedom values" ideology, for the war and poverty it entrenches around the world?


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If you think people are fine with having the gates to their apartment blocks welded shut, you mustn't have learned anything from a discussion board where people can say what they think.

Like I said above, the stakes were  much higher regarding transmission of the virus in vast populations with lower medical standards/ capacities than Oz. 


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Sure, Chinese citizens may tick all the right boxes in an opinion poll, but if you think they're not feeling dissatisfied, you've been farmed. Ever get the feeling? Don't answer that.

Already did, above.

“We tend to forget that for many in China, and in their lived experience of the past four decades, each day was better than the (previous).”

Tony Saich, Daewoo Professor of International Affairs and director of the Ash Center

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 12:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 11:55am: Your error: ideology forms/is the basis of the point of view of all the 'contending contributions'on Ozpol. your (contending economic) ideology is based on Western 'freedom values' which informs classical economics. No, I join the dots between "freedom values" ideology and classical "free market efficiency" economic dogma. So,  let's agree the TS protests were about reforming the economy to achieve that outcome.  You are talking to yourself. Keep going, I'm outta here.

Proving my point....you can't discuss the reasons for the existence of the  contending ideologies  on Ozpol, because it will expose the errors in your own ideology. 

Eg, social democrats  (Greens) versus Conservatives,  in Oz. 

Deplorable.   

(he's left the building)

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2025 at 1:27pm:

(he's left the building)

So - back to the 'contending contributions' of Ozpol contributors, and the ideologies at their base. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 6:02pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 8th, 2025 at 9:30am: [quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1666165722/111#111 date=1741492060] delusional democracy equals freedom ideology - is  talking up the 'China threat'  theory, while he supports wrecking Oz's budget to project force into the Taiwan Strait.   More non-English non-sense.  An unending circle of un-facts.

Let's take it slowly for you....

"delusional democracy equals freedom ideology...

ie the "freedom" to subsist in socio-economic disadvantage, like the homeless, and like Oz's (involuntary) "Job -Seekers"?

The same job seekers who the "democratic" government says it cannot afford to lift above the poverty-line because it has to 'balance its budget' (which is nonsense, as I have explained many times) while spending $380 billion on subs to protect Oz from the 'China Threat'.

You are displaying how your blind "freedom values" ideology cripples your ability to comprehend plain english. 

 

"happiness to be the fruit of freedom and freedom of valour"

Thucydides