Energy giant AGL has announced it will close the Loy Yang A power
station in Victoria's Latrobe Valley up to 10 years earlier than planned,
targeting the end of 2035 financial year. Loy Yang A provides around
30% of Victoria's electricity needs.    Presumably B will continue to
operate until 2048, the original closure date of both A and B.

But...

A planned solar farm in Mudgee, NSW, population 12,000, has the town
divided with many fiercely opposed.  The proposal is to install 25,000
photovoltaic panels, which has pitted the company against the town.
The mayor, local businesses and ordinary residents all oppose the proposal,
which has already been knocked back three times by the Mid-Western
Regional Council.

So...

Everybody's screaming for green rather than black, but when it comes
to putting that into practice, all the NIMBYs start wailing and gnashing
their teeth with all sorts of vacuous excuses against wind and solar.

280MWac nameplate capacity.

Loy Yang A - 2210MWac

Foot - Pistol - shoot

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lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

280MWac nameplate capacity. Loy Yang A - 2210MWac Foot - Pistol - shoot

On prime agricultural land, in the heart of wine, cheese, honey country and a tourist hub.

Useless energy - wise but a massive success uglification - wise.

This image is invariably published to illustrate the pollution being
emitted from coal-fired power stations...

https://i.postimg.cc/4y5D5D6Z/Screenshot-2022-09-29-at-19-38-42-AGL-will-close-Victoria-s-coal-fired-power-station-Loy-Yang-A-a-de.png

Okay... I don't deny the pollutants emitted from the burning of coal
are exacerbating the global warming crisis, but this dramatic image
may be misinterpreted by many non-technical types.

Firstly of course, the image was captured looking east, on a very cold
foggy morning, with the sun just about to rise.

And all those clouds of "pollutants"?  Steam from the cooling towers.
Any  lead, mercury, sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, particulates, or
various other heavy metals.    Nope.     No, no, and no.

Just hydrogen and oxygen.  That's it.

But it certainly looks ominous doesn't it?  Just what the greenies want.

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:48pm:

Okay... I don't deny the pollutants emitted from the burning of coal are exacerbating the global warming crisis, but this dramatic image may be misinterpreted by many non-technical types.

Which pollutants? Aerosols, most of the pollutants, cause cooling.

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:01pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:48pm: Okay... I don't deny the pollutants emitted from the burning of coal are exacerbating the global warming crisis, but this dramatic image may be misinterpreted by many non-technical types. Which pollutants? Aerosols, most of the pollutants, cause cooling.

if you can ignore the mercury, lead, sulfur and other heavy metals that burning coal produces. :D

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:12pm:

if you can ignore the mercury, lead, sulfur and other heavy metals that burning coal produces.

As I said aerosols. Which those are not. And modern coal plants have traps to trap the heavy metals. But thanks for showing the level of your knowledge.

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:12pm: if you can ignore the mercury, lead, sulfur and other heavy metals that burning coal produces. As I said aerosols. Which those are not. And modern coal plants have traps to trap the heavy metals. But thanks for showing the level of your knowledge.

I understand you suffer from an inability to learn, even when it's spelled out for you, you should seek help for that.


you asked which pollutants you fkm moron.

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:20pm:

you asked which pollutants you fkm moron.

And modern power plants don't have that problem as I said. Do try to keep up.

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:20pm: you asked which pollutants you fkm moron. And modern power plants don't have that problem as I said. Do try to keep up.

And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about.

Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date.

Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works.

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:48pm:

This image is invariably published to illustrate the pollution being emitted from coal-fired power stations... https://i.postimg.cc/4y5D5D6Z/Screenshot-2022-09-29-at-19-38-42-AGL-will-close-Victoria-s-coal-fired-power-station-Loy-Yang-A-a-de.png Okay... I don't deny the pollutants emitted from the burning of coal are exacerbating the global warming crisis, but this dramatic image may be misinterpreted by many non-technical types. Firstly of course, the image was captured looking east, on a very cold foggy morning, with the sun just about to rise. And all those clouds of "pollutants"?  Steam from the cooling towers. Any  lead, mercury, sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, particulates, or various other heavy metals.    Nope.     No, no, and no. Just hydrogen and oxygen.  That's it. But it certainly looks ominous doesn't it?  Just what the greenies want.

Just so.

Water vapour.

CO2 is invisible.

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about.

You are entitled to your opinion, however lacking it is.


John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date.

And I never said different.


John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works.

And?

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

lee wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:24pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:20pm: you asked which pollutants you fkm moron. And modern power plants don't have that problem as I said. Do try to keep up. And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about. Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date. Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works.

:D :D

Dagos repainting cars = CLIMATE CHANGE!!!... no, wait.....er..... = GLOBAL WARMING!!!... er, no wait...... it's dagos repainting cars.

Forza Italia!!!

Australians will be paying historically high gas bills for years despite the government striking a deal with major LNG producers to prevent domestic supply shortfalls.

John Smith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

...I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works.

Yes.  Water samples from the Darcy Road drain running directly
downstream from nearby heavy industries at the outer harbour of
Port Kembla showed arsenic, lead, copper, zinc, strontium, selenium,
uranium and other heavy metals were all dangerously elevated.

—New Bush Telegraph, 9 April 2021.

Incidentally, Loy Yang A emitted 16.6 million tonnes of greenhouse
gas in 2019-20, according to most recent data. Australia in total
emitted 513.4 million tonnes during the same period.  Or only 3%
of that from Loy Yang A.

lee wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:28pm: And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about. You are entitled to your opinion, however lacking it is. John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:28pm: Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date. And I never said different. John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:28pm: Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works. And?

and it wasn't water vapor eating away at the cars paint. ::)

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 10:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:28pm: lee wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:24pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:20pm: you asked which pollutants you fkm moron. And modern power plants don't have that problem as I said. Do try to keep up. And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about. Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date. Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works. :D :D Dagos repainting cars = CLIMATE CHANGE!!!... no, wait.....er..... = GLOBAL WARMING!!!... er, no wait...... it's dagos repainting cars. Forza Italia!!!

don't you ever gets sick of embarrassing yourself?

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 7:41pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 10:08pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:28pm: lee wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:24pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:20pm: you asked which pollutants you fkm moron. And modern power plants don't have that problem as I said. Do try to keep up. And I say you're talking about poo you have no clue about. Firstly, none of our power plants are modern, most are well past their use by date. Secondly,  I know off at least 4 people who have had their cars repainted by BHP because of pollutants from the Port kembla steel works. :D :D Dagos repainting cars = CLIMATE CHANGE!!!... no, wait.....er..... = GLOBAL WARMING!!!... er, no wait...... it's dagos repainting cars. Forza Italia!!! don't you ever gets sick of embarrassing yourself?

Yeah, sorry -

Romanians repainting cars = CLIMATE CHANGE!!!... no, wait.....er..... = GLOBAL WARMING!!!... er, no wait...... it's gyppos repainting cars.

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

and it wasn't water vapor eating away at the cars paint.

What was it? Or don't you know and are willing to make assumptions. ::)

lee wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2022 at 7:40pm: and it wasn't water vapor eating away at the cars paint. What was it? Or don't you know and are willing to make assumptions. ::)

I know water vapour doesn't eat away the paint on a car.  Didn't they teach you anything in your 4 years at primary school?

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

Yeah, sorry - Romanians repainting cars = CLIMATE CHANGE!!!... no, wait.....er..... = GLOBAL WARMING!!!... er, no wait...... it's gyppos repainting cars.

I'll repeat, don't you ever get sick of embarrassing yourself?

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

I know water vapour doesn't eat away the paint on a car.

SO you don't know what it was. Thanks for that. ;)

The two wheels of the climate change cart – the scientifically unprovable words ‘catastrophic’ and ‘irreversible’ – that is carrying the democratic world to economic subjugation under a Putin-Xi authoritarian axis, are looking increasingly wobbly.

These two words, the key to the climate debate, have never been the subject of empirical, observed scientific proof. There is little disagreement that there is climate change; the climate has always been changing. But ‘catastrophic’ and ‘irreversible’ (beyond a computer-generated ‘tipping point’) that occupy the central role as drivers of the claimed climate crisis, exist only in computer modelling of what many scientists, in good faith, believe to be the likely outcome of observable current trends. The dogma that ‘the science is settled’ on climate change requires a belief not in proven scientific facts but in the accuracy of scientists’ computer projections of the yet-to-be-demonstrated future consequences of observable facts.

So why should these scientists be believed? The traditional ‘scientific method’ of examining a theory provides the best, but by no means certain, prospect of believable outcomes. This involves surviving the ‘falsification’ principle of rigorous endeavours to refute the theory, so that the scientific consensus eventually accepts it as truth. That is the rock on which the climate change crisis rests. But as an article in last week’s Conversation noted, ‘even if scientists have repeatedly tried, but failed, to refute a given theory, the history of science suggests at some point in the future it may still turn out to be false when new evidence comes to light.’

After decades of  steadily increasing support for the ‘climate crisis’ theory, evidence to the contrary is raising its head. This is in addition to the negative impact of repeated failures of a multitude of past official forecasts of impending climate disaster. Earlier this year, four leading Italian scientists from universities in Milan, Verona and Padua and the National Institute of Nuclear Physics, published a review of historical climate data, finding no clear positive trend of extreme events and concluding that the current fear of a ‘climate emergency’ is not supported by the scientific data.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/10/business-robbery-etc-101/

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

lee wrote on Sep 30th, 2022 at 8:14pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2022 at 7:40pm: and it wasn't water vapor eating away at the cars paint. What was it? Or don't you know and are willing to make assumptions. ::) I know water vapour doesn't eat away the paint on a car.  Didn't they teach you anything in your 4 years at primary school?

Man made pollution is not AGW by CO2.

John Smith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

...and it wasn't water vapor eating away at the cars paint.

Probably metallic particulates or ash, which can be acidic under rainfall,
when combined with sulphur and nitrogen oxides.

lee wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 30th, 2022 at 9:04pm: I know water vapour doesn't eat away the paint on a car.  SO you don't know what it was. Thanks for that. ;)

I don't need to know the exact cause. BHP doesn't just pay to respray your car because your paint is faded you moron

John Smith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 7:55pm:

I don't need to know the exact cause.

That's right. Thanks. ;)

lee wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 8:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 7:55pm: I don't need to know the exact cause. That's right. Thanks. ;)

I know I'm right, you are a moron.

WA flags years of coal imports as power station shuts down
Brad Thompson
Reporter
Oct 3, 2022 – 6.36pm

The West Australian government is facing a coal spply crisis and could follow South32’s lead and turn to Indonesia for imports of the fossil fuel.

A coal shortage in WA has forced the shutdown of a major power station supplying Perth and major towns from Geraldton to Albany, and increased the risk of outages at times of peak demand.

The WA government has flagged importing coal to meet what could become a prolonged shortfall in local supply, the issue behind state-owned Synergy shutting down the Collie Power Station.

WA energy minister Bill Johnston said Synergy could need to import coal over the next seven years.

“There may be occasions that Synergy needs to take emergency action to bring in small amounts of coal, whether that’s imported coal or there’s some other solution that’s up to Synergy,” he said.

Mr Johnston said on Monday that the WA government had given South32 its blessing to import coal from Indonesia to the port of Bunbury, where many of the thousands of workers at WA’s remaining coal mines and coal-fired power stations live.

He said the government was supporting South32’s imports because it wanted to protect jobs at the Worsley alumina refinery and local mines were unable to supply enough coal to meet all the company’s requirements.

The Australian Energy Market Operator, which co-ordinates power generation on what is known as the South West Interconnected Grid, listed Collie Power Station as a “forced outage” from mid-September.

The power station, supplied by Yancoal’s nearby Premier Coal mine, is not scheduled to re-open until January 1 in a state that suffered blackouts during a heat wave last summer.

Mr Johnston said the state’s coal industry is in a period of transition with Synergy planning to shut the Collie plant in 2027 and the state’s only other coal-fired power station, Muja, in 2029.

Interesting ... today we hear that China is going to burn MORE coal because its renewable power reserves are inadequate to keep the power on 24/7

Same problem in California re: renewables causing blackouts, same in Germany.

I wonder where we are heading?

Life in a tanking and struggling Britain is enormously frustrating. Rents have skyrocketed, mortgages have soared, essential food ­prices doubled. In some supermarkets, everyday items such as butter, cheese and milk have become the targets of desperate theft so staff tag them with magnetic security labels.

While the pulsating energy of the city is returning to something like before the pandemic, social unrest is stirring. Police turn up to only half of the burglaries reported, and just 5 per cent result in charges: Instead, the local bobby on the beat is consumed with countering gang knife crime.

Worker unhappiness about the cost of living is seeing an uptick in transport strikes and protests. The National Health Service is so dysfunctional that waiting times at hospitals often extend beyond a four-hour target. There is a backlog of more than six million patients waiting for treatment and face-to-face doctor appointments are almost non-existent.

A Sunday night roast has become a thing of the past with $10 too much to pay to run an oven for an hour when energy bills soar towards $10,000 for a two-bedroom home.

No one dares to speak of the colder months to come or the inevitable further price hikes for energy in the new year.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/british-citizens-battle-to-keep-warm-and-keep-eating/news-story/d4d4937be1c8013643727e7c5f2447a6

Consider the scale of the transition that’s required here. To meet the government’s legislated 43 per cent emissions reduction target (let alone the higher targets of most states), coal will have to drop from supplying 60 per cent-plus of our power needs to under 10 per cent within eight years. And renewables will have to rise from supplying about 30 per cent now to more than 80 per cent. Plus 28,000km of grid will have to be constructed to cope with this new decentralised power generation, to be used, on average, only 30 per cent of the time.

In practical terms that’s 28,000km of poles and wires with the trained trades to erect it, and necessary access to farming land and property across the country.

In a moment of candour, Energy Minister Chris Bowen recently said achieving the government’s goal would require the installation of 40 large wind turbines every month and 22,000 standard solar panels every day for the next eight years. We will need, Bowen said, “to mine, move and manufacture immense volumes of material, energy and equipment … and to train and mobilise hundreds of thousands of skilled … workers” in a “collective endeavour that is almost of unprecedented scale”.

Because lowering emissions is now a religion, there’s just this blind assumption that somehow, as with the loaves and the fishes, or water into wine at Cana, it will all just happen. Only – what if it doesn’t? In Victoria, new wind farms can take up to 51 months to be approved. The cost of the 360km HumeLink power line to connect Snowy 2.0 to the NSW grid had reportedly blown out by mid-last year from the original estimate of $1.35bn to $3.32bn. The project, first put forward in 2018, is still nowhere near final approval, let alone starting construction. As well, at roughly $10m a kilometre for HumeLink, given the higher costs now for steel, construction and environmental offsets, Labor’s estimate of $80bn for the extra 28,000km of transmission lines needed looks out by a factor of nearly four.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/speeding-ever-faster-to-renewables-wreck/news-story/fc385576fad0cdd032589fde238e8b7e

A fit of manic gigantism, akin to Hitler's dream of transforming Berlin into a utopian Germania.