A thread for little-known but fascinating 'ripping yarns' from history, Australian and global.

I was listening to this Conversation now twice today, it was on the Sydney Local station before noon, on my way to the airport and then now on RN.


An Australian bloke can take credit for the election of Prez Kennedy  :o and another for the victory at Guadalcanal 9now Solomon Islands). plus a cast of other fascinating tales from the War in the Pacific.

Australia's secret spy ring
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/australia-secret-army-michael-veitch-coast-watchers/14046626

Readers are invited to post their own links fascinating tales from history.

A bonus tale from Michael Veitch from an earlier Conversations, The terrible journey of the Ticonderoga.
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/conversations-michael-veitch/10080424


(I started this on the Philosophy board since that comes closest to History from among the existing boards)

I have just finished Veitch's book. A fascinating story about a little known part of our military history. Kennedy's PR macinie certainly played up his 'war hero' status in his election campaign. However even though he showed great courage after his boat was sunk, there was talk of him being disciplined for negligence. Seems he was sitting with two of his three engines shut down and was unable to maneuver out of the way of the oncoming destroyer in time.  Given the notoriously unreliable engines on that class of PT boat there was SOP that the engines were not to be shut down due to the time lag in starting them up again.

 

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:21pm:

I have just finished Veitch's book. A fascinating story about a little known part of our military history. Kennedy's PR macinie certainly played up his 'war hero' status in his election campaign. However even though he showed great courage after his boat was sunk, there was talk of him being disciplined for negligence. Seems he was sitting with two of his three engines shut down and was unable to maneuver out of the way of the oncoming destroyer in time.  Given the notoriously unreliable engines on that class of PT boat there was SOP that the engines were not to be shut down due to the time lag in starting them up again.

Sums up the Media darling JFK alright.
Also a filthy sex addict who was negligent with his status of privilege and was thus knocked off by angry husbands who found someone to take the fall for such a glorious prize.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2022 at 5:21pm:

I have just finished Veitch's book. A fascinating story about a little known part of our military history. Kennedy's PR macinie certainly played up his 'war hero' status in his election campaign. However even though he showed great courage after his boat was sunk, there was talk of him being disciplined for negligence. Seems he was sitting with two of his three engines shut down and was unable to maneuver out of the way of the oncoming destroyer in time.  Given the notoriously unreliable engines on that class of PT boat there was SOP that the engines were not to be shut down due to the time lag in starting them up again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piLuThkWLQs

This is a ripping yarn by a literary master. Funny.

https://youtu.be/gja3r4R0EN0
(Save yourself an Audible subscription)

It's about time somebody started a thread on history. I think it warrants a separate forum.

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 19^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

It's about time somebody started a thread on history. I think it warrants a separate forum.

That is a very good idea, I would like to see it happen. However given some of the people that post on here it would need strict moderation to stay on track.

"The 100 years ago show" has many, many ripping yarns or at least their headlines. Fascinating, instructive, entertaining.
A gem of a listen. The musical interludes are a treat.

https://www.steynonline.com/the-hundred-years-ago-show/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC6okzIKQvg

The namesakes
Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

– Charles III, King of Naples (1382-86): forced Pope Urban VI into exile, then moved to Hungary, whose throne he had assumed through marriage. Was assassinated.

– Charles III, King of Navarre (1387-1425): made peace with France.

– Charles III, Duke of Savoy (1504-53): lost when France invaded Savoy in 1536. Remained king in name but spent the rest
of his life in exile.

– Charles III, Duke of Bourbon (1505-21): tried to regain independence from France by partitioning the kingdom. Fled to Italy when the plot was discovered.

– Charles III, King of Spain (1759-88): invaded the Kingdom of Naples and claimed it for Spain.

– Charles III, Duke of Parma (1849-54): placed Parma under martial law. Was assassinated.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 19^th, 2022 at 11:06am:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 19th, 2022 at 8:13am: It's about time somebody started a thread on history. I think it warrants a separate forum. That is a very good idea, I would like to see it happen. However given some of the people that post on here it would need strict moderation to stay on track.

Did someone mention strict moderation lol?

John Taverner for Mod of History MRB!

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII. Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::)

And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII. Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::) And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

I clearly started at 1066.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:57am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII. Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::) And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? I clearly started at 1066.

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 12:01pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:57am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII. Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::) And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? I clearly started at 1066. You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Ok ....thank God for Wiki lol.

1066 was a very busy year indeed.

January – Harold Godwinson marries Ealdgyth, daughter of Ælfgar (earl of Mercia), and widow of King Gruffydd ap Llywelyn.

January 5 – Edward the Confessor dies after a 24-year reign at London. The Witenagemot (or Witan) proclaims Harold Godwinson king of England.

January 6 – Harold Godwinson (Harold II) is crowned king of England, probably in the new Westminster Abbey, where Edward the Confessor's funeral took place not long before the coronation.

September 18 – Harald Hardrada of Norway lands on the beaches of Scarborough and begins his invasion of England.

September 20 – Battle of Fulford: Norwegian forces under Harald Hardrada defeat the English earls Edwin and Morcar.

September 25 – Battle of Stamford Bridge: Harold II defeats the forces of Harald Hardrada and his own brother Tostig Godwinson.

September 27 – William, Duke of Normandy and his army set sail from the mouth of the River Somme, beginning the Norman conquest of England. The following day he lands on the English coast at Pevensey, splits his forces, and sails with the main army to Hastings.

October 6 – Harold II marches south from Stamford Bridge (near York) to counter the threat of the invasion by William. Reaching London within five days, he leaves a short time later. After a two-day march he and his army reach Caldbec Hill.

October 14 – Battle of Hastings: William and Harold II meet in battle at Hastings. Although Harold has the superior position on the battlefield, he is defeated and killed by William.

October 15 – Edgar Ætheling is proclaimed king of England (but is never crowned). He is soon forced to submit to the rule of William the Conqueror.

December – William the Conqueror moves along the south coast to Dover, and builds fortifications in the existing castle at the top of the cliffs. He moves to Canterbury and finally enters London. Archbishop Stigand and other English leaders submit to William's rule.

On December 25, he is crowned as king William I of England in Westminster Abbey over Edward the Confessor's grave.

👆 What an incredible Christmas present hey!

From my previous post :

September 27 1066 - William, Duke of Normandy and his army set sail from the mouth of the River Somme, beginning the Norman conquest of England.

Now let's take a closer look at this Duke of Normandy who later became King William 1 of England.


The Norman dynasty had a major political, cultural and military impact on medieval Europe and the Near East.

The Normans were historically famed for their martial spirit and eventually for their Catholic piety, becoming exponents of the Catholic orthodoxy of the Romance community.

The original Norse settlers adopted the Gallo-Romance language of the Frankish land they settled, with their Old Norman dialect becoming known as Norman, Normaund or Norman French, an important literary language which is still spoken today in parts of mainland Normandy (Cotentinais and Cauchois dialects) and the nearby Channel Islands (Jèrriais and Guernésiais).

The Duchy of Normandy, which arose from the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, was a great fief of medieval France. The Norman dukes exercised independent control of their holdings in Normandy, while at the same time being vassals owing fealty to the King of France, and under Richard I of Normandy (byname "Richard sans Peur" meaning "Richard the Fearless") the Duchy was forged into a cohesive and formidable principality in feudal tenure.

By the end of his reign in 996, the descendants of the Norse settlers "had become not only Christians but in all essentials Frenchmen. They had adopted the French language, French legal ideas, and French social customs, and had practically merged with the Frankish or Gallic population among whom they lived".

Between 1066 and 1204, as a result of the Norman conquest of England, most of the kings of England were also dukes of Normandy.

In 1204, Philip II of France seized mainland Normandy by force of arms, having earlier declared the Duchy of Normandy to be forfeit to him. It remained disputed territory until the Treaty of Paris of 1259, when the English sovereign ceded his claim to the Duchy, except for the Channel Islands.

In the present day, the Channel Islands (the Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Bailiwick of Jersey) are considered to be officially the last remnants of the Duchy of Normandy, and are not part of the United Kingdom but are instead self-governing Crown Dependencies.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 12:02pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 12:01pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:57am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:54pm: The namesakes Some of history’s other Charles IIIs: And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie. The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII. Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are ::) And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? I clearly started at 1066. You might need to fast-forward to 1603. Ok ....thank God for Wiki lol. 1066 was a very busy year indeed. 👆 What an incredible Christmas present hey!

Yep, but Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? You might need to fast-forward to 1603. Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is  ::)

We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III.

Let's refresh our memory of Charles II. Again...thanks to Wiki.

Charles II was the eldest surviving child of Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland and Henrietta Maria of France. After Charles I's execution at Whitehall on 30 January 1649, at the climax of the English Civil War, the Parliament of Scotland proclaimed Charles II king on 5 February 1649.

But England entered the period known as the English Interregnum or the English Commonwealth, and the country was a de facto republic led by Oliver Cromwell.

Cromwell defeated Charles II at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651, and Charles fled to mainland Europe. Cromwell became virtual dictator of England, Scotland and Ireland. Charles spent the next nine years in exile in France, the Dutch Republic and the Spanish Netherlands. The political crisis that followed Cromwell's death in 1658 resulted in the restoration of the monarchy, and Charles was invited to return to Britain. On 29 May 1660, his 30th birthday, he was received in London to public acclaim. After 1660, all legal documents stating a regnal year did so as if he had succeeded his father as king in 1649.

Charles's English parliament enacted laws known as the Clarendon Code, designed to shore up the position of the re-established Church of England. Charles acquiesced to the Clarendon Code even though he favoured a policy of religious tolerance. The major foreign policy issue of his early reign was the Second Anglo-Dutch War.

In 1670, he entered into the Treaty of Dover, an alliance with his cousin King Louis XIV of France. Louis agreed to aid him in the Third Anglo-Dutch War and pay him a pension, and Charles secretly promised to convert to Catholicism at an unspecified future date. Charles attempted to introduce religious freedom for Catholics and Protestant dissenters with his 1672 Royal Declaration of Indulgence, but the English Parliament forced him to withdraw it. In 1679, Titus Oates's revelations of a supposed Popish Plot sparked the Exclusion Crisis when it was revealed that Charles's brother and heir presumptive, James, Duke of York, had become a Catholic.

The crisis saw the birth of the pro-exclusion Whig and anti-exclusion Tory parties. Charles sided with the Tories, and after the discovery of the Rye House Plot to murder Charles and James in 1683, some Whig leaders were executed or forced into exile. Charles dissolved the English Parliament in 1681 and ruled alone until his death in 1685.

Traditionally considered one of the most popular English kings, Charles is known as the Merry Monarch, a reference to the liveliness and hedonism of his court. He acknowledged at least 12 illegitimate children by various mistresses, but left no legitimate children and was succeeded by his brother, James.

🤢🤮

After that dhead Charles 11 died leaving illegitimate children everywhere ...his brother James ascended the throne.

Let's take a closer look at James:

James VII and II (14 October 1633 O.S. – 16 September 1701)[a] was King of England and Ireland as James II, and King of Scotland as James VII from the death of his elder brother, Charles II, on 6 February 1685.

3 years later....

He was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688. He was the last Catholic monarch of England, Scotland, and Ireland. His reign is now remembered primarily for conflicts over religious tolerance, but it also involved struggles over the principles of absolutism and the divine right of kings.

His deposition ended a century of political and civil strife in England by confirming the primacy of the English Parliament over the Crown.

Marvellous 😂🤣😆

Oh God ... there's more 🤭

James died aged 67 of a brain haemorrhage on 16 September 1701 at Saint-Germain-en-Laye. James's heart was placed in a silver-gilt locket and given to the convent at Chaillot, and his brain was placed in a lead casket and given to the Scots College in Paris. His entrails were placed in two gilt urns and sent to the parish church of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the English Jesuit college at Saint-Omer, while the flesh from his right arm was given to the English Augustinian nuns of Paris.

The rest of James's body was laid to rest in a triple sarcophagus (consisting of two wooden coffins and one of lead) at the St Edmund's Chapel in the Church of the English Benedictines in the Rue Saint-Jacques, Paris, with a funeral oration by Henri-Emmanuel de Roquette.

James was not buried, but put in one of the side chapels. Lights were kept burning round his coffin until the French Revolution.

In 1734, the Archbishop of Paris heard evidence to support James's canonisation, but nothing came of it.

During the French Revolution, James's tomb was raided.

😳

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? You might need to fast-forward to 1603. Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England. I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is  ::) We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III. Let's refresh our memory of Charles II.

Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family.

The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim.

She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 12:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? You might need to fast-forward to 1603. Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England. I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is  ::) We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III. Let's refresh our memory of Charles II. Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family. The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim. She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

Wait a second....I've almost caught up (I'm cooking and washing here too ya know lol)

For the benefit of those who've just tuned in:

Charles 2 has died. He has lots of bastards but no legitimate heir. His younger brother James becomes king. He dies and his daughter Anne becomes Queen.

Anne was born in the reign of Charles II to his younger brother and heir presumptive, James, whose suspected Roman Catholicism was unpopular in England. On Charles's instructions, Anne and her elder sister Mary were raised as Anglicans.

Mary married their Dutch Protestant cousin, William III of Orange, in 1677.

Anne married Prince George of Denmark in 1683. On Charles's death in 1685, James succeeded to the throne, but just three years later he was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

Mary and William became joint monarchs. Although the sisters had been close, disagreements over Anne's finances, status, and choice of acquaintances arose shortly after Mary's accession and they became estranged.

William and Mary had no children. After Mary's death in 1694, William reigned alone until his own death in 1702, when Anne succeeded him.

(Ok so now Anne is Queen)

During her reign, Anne favoured moderate Tory politicians, who were more likely to share her Anglican religious views than their opponents, the Whigs. The Whigs grew more powerful during the course of the War of the Spanish Succession, until 1710 when Anne dismissed many of them from office. Her close friendship with Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlboroughturned sour as the result of political differences. The Duchess took revenge with an unflattering description of the Queen in her memoirs, which was widely accepted by historians until Anne was reassessed in the late 20th century.

Anne was plagued by poor health throughout her life, and from her thirties she grew increasingly ill and obese. Despite 17 pregnancies, she died without surviving issue and was the last monarch of the House of Stuart.

Under the Act of Settlement 1701, which excluded all Catholics, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover.

Sarah Churchill's great grandson is of course Winston Churchill.

The names Anne, William, Charles, George....all reflect and honour the foreign heritage of the current "British" royal family!

Hanover ie ....GERMANS!! George 1 - German!

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:00pm:

Hanover ie ....GERMANS!! George 1 - German!

Yes. And William will be the least German-descent monarch since Queen Anne.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:00pm:

Under the Act of Settlement 1701, which excluded all Catholics, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover.

And that's when the fighting started again with the Stuarts.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 12:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 11:12am: Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns? You might need to fast-forward to 1603. Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England. I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is  ::) We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III. Let's refresh our memory of Charles II. Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family. The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim. She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

1. I thought illegitimate children did not count.

2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years.

3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French!

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:11pm:

1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French!

Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his.

The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:00pm: Under the Act of Settlement 1701, which excluded all Catholics, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover. And that's when the fighting started again with the Stuarts.

Yep. Apart from having a good time and illegitimate children this royal family loves a good fight. They fight a lot in their own country and btwn countries.

In fact the same family had a big poo fight which brought on World War 1! Cousins were fighting each other! What were their names again?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:11pm: 1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French! Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his. The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother.

Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:11pm: 1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French! Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his. The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother. Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke.

It's true.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:17pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:11pm: 1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French! Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his. The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother. Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke. It's true.

Can you show me? And tell me more please?

I need to get going ( am busy cooking ).

I'll be back in an hr.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:21pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:17pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:11pm: 1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French! Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his. The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother. Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke. It's true. Can you show me? And tell me more please? I need to get going ( am busy cooking ). I'll be back in an hr.

Just google - charles iii vlad the impaler - it's no secret.

Prince Phillip and the then Prince Charles even visited Hungary to see their ancestor's homeland.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:21pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:17pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:15pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1st, 2022 at 1:11pm: 1. I thought illegitimate children did not count. 2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years. 3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French! Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his. The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother. Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke. It's true. Can you show me? And tell me more please? I need to get going ( am busy cooking ). I'll be back in an hr. Just google - charles iii vlad the impaler - it's no secret. Prince Phillip and the then Prince Charles even visited Hungary to see their ancestor's homeland.

Apologies- it's been a very busy Saturday here (long-weekends mean visitors). I'll google and read up on that now.

(I won't believe what you're telling me otherwise)

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-charles-descendant-dracula-owns-5326083.amp

Dear God ... 🥺😳

King Charles III is a descendant of Dracula and owns properties in Transylvania

The former Prince of Wales is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline

The Royal Family has links to several countries across Europe, including Romania, and it turns out that King Charles is the descendant of the real-life Dracula. Formerly known as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Charles III actually owns several properties in Transylvania, is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline.

In 1462, following a battle, Vlad left a field filled with thousands of impaled victims. More than 530 years later, in 1998, King Charles found out about his links to the Romanian ruler.

He is, in fact, his great-grandson 16 times removed, through the consort of George V, Queen Mary... a genealogical tree in The British Chronicles written by David Hughes supports this claim.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 8:53am:

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-charles-descendant-dracula-owns-5326083.amp Dear God ... 🥺😳 King Charles III is a descendant of Dracula and owns properties in Transylvania The former Prince of Wales is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline The Royal Family has links to several countries across Europe, including Romania, and it turns out that King Charles is the descendant of the real-life Dracula. Formerly known as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Charles III actually owns several properties in Transylvania, is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline. In 1462, following a battle, Vlad left a field filled with thousands of impaled victims. More than 530 years later, in 1998, King Charles found out about his links to the Romanian ruler. He is, in fact, his great-grandson 16 times removed, through the consort of George V, Queen Mary... a genealogical tree in The British Chronicles written by David Hughes supports this claim.

Yes. Charles is also very impressed with Romania's ecological preservation and Romanian preservation of their culture - he has mentioned it many times.

He is also not ashamed of his genealogical relationship to Vlad and has often referred to it with pride.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 9:02am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 8:53am: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-charles-descendant-dracula-owns-5326083.amp Dear God ... 🥺😳 King Charles III is a descendant of Dracula and owns properties in Transylvania The former Prince of Wales is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline The Royal Family has links to several countries across Europe, including Romania, and it turns out that King Charles is the descendant of the real-life Dracula. Formerly known as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Charles III actually owns several properties in Transylvania, is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline. In 1462, following a battle, Vlad left a field filled with thousands of impaled victims. More than 530 years later, in 1998, King Charles found out about his links to the Romanian ruler. He is, in fact, his great-grandson 16 times removed, through the consort of George V, Queen Mary... a genealogical tree in The British Chronicles written by David Hughes supports this claim. Yes. Charles is also very impressed with Romania's ecological preservation and Romanian preservation of their culture - he has mentioned it many times. He is also not ashamed of his genealogical relationship to Vlad and has often referred to it with pride.

Only an inbred insane nutter like him would do that.

Speaking of inbred...his parents are cousins...yes?

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 4:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:02am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 8:53am: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-charles-descendant-dracula-owns-5326083.amp Dear God ... 🥺😳 King Charles III is a descendant of Dracula and owns properties in Transylvania The former Prince of Wales is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline The Royal Family has links to several countries across Europe, including Romania, and it turns out that King Charles is the descendant of the real-life Dracula. Formerly known as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Charles III actually owns several properties in Transylvania, is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline. In 1462, following a battle, Vlad left a field filled with thousands of impaled victims. More than 530 years later, in 1998, King Charles found out about his links to the Romanian ruler. He is, in fact, his great-grandson 16 times removed, through the consort of George V, Queen Mary... a genealogical tree in The British Chronicles written by David Hughes supports this claim. Yes. Charles is also very impressed with Romania's ecological preservation and Romanian preservation of their culture - he has mentioned it many times. He is also not ashamed of his genealogical relationship to Vlad and has often referred to it with pride. Only an inbred insane nutter like him would do that. Speaking of inbred...his parents are cousins...yes?

Distant cousins (3rd cousins). Too distant to be inbred.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 4:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 9:02am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 8:53am: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-charles-descendant-dracula-owns-5326083.amp Dear God ... 🥺😳 King Charles III is a descendant of Dracula and owns properties in Transylvania The former Prince of Wales is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline The Royal Family has links to several countries across Europe, including Romania, and it turns out that King Charles is the descendant of the real-life Dracula. Formerly known as Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Charles III actually owns several properties in Transylvania, is the heir to Vlad the Impaler's bloodline. In 1462, following a battle, Vlad left a field filled with thousands of impaled victims. More than 530 years later, in 1998, King Charles found out about his links to the Romanian ruler. He is, in fact, his great-grandson 16 times removed, through the consort of George V, Queen Mary... a genealogical tree in The British Chronicles written by David Hughes supports this claim. Yes. Charles is also very impressed with Romania's ecological preservation and Romanian preservation of their culture - he has mentioned it many times. He is also not ashamed of his genealogical relationship to Vlad and has often referred to it with pride. Only an inbred insane nutter like him would do that.

Vlad defended Christian Europe from the Ottomans.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 4:21pm:

Speaking of inbred...his parents are cousins...yes?

Lisa seems oddly fascinated with inbreeding.

Must be some personal experience affecting her.  I wonder what it was?

random wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 5:24pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:21pm: Speaking of inbred...his parents are cousins...yes? Lisa seems oddly fascinated with inbreeding. Must be some personal experience affecting her.  I wonder what it was?

It's not that I'm oddly fascinated by inbreeding. It's more a matter of concern. I'm troubled by the problems which it can cause. Even today 1st cousins within Muslim communities EVERYWHERE INCLUDING AUSTRALIA are STILL allowed to marry and have children. That's not healthy or safe.

Some background information for context (before I'm accused of being racist etc).

In some parts of Mediterranean culture it WAS customary for 2nd and 3rd cousins to marry IF their last names were different (their fathers and grandfathers etc had to have a different surname)

This practice stopped at around 1920. By this time many Greeks were ethnically cleansed/had fled for their lives into mainland Greece because the Ottoman Muslim Turks had taken over their homeland.

Note : No first cousins were ever allowed to marry irrespective of their surnames being different etc.

Many Aussies of Anglo Saxon Celt origin do not fully understand the fact that in some parts of the world ethnicity and culture is linked and defined BY religion.

So for many years, Greeks stuck together and married within their own village. After marriage they stayed in said village. After a while ...neighbours doubled up as distant relatives.

Italy didn't have this problem because of its geographical location in Europe.

So on my Greek side of the family I have a family tree consisting of many missing people who were ethnically cleansed PLUS family members with a recurring inherited Mediterranean blood disorder ( Thalassemia ). I was born with Thalassemia MINOR. It turns out my mum also had Thalassemia Minor. It's terrible esp during pregnancy as I was essentially bed ridden with next level fatigue. All my children have had blood tests. No one has it thank God.

Can you now all see why I keep encouraging the mixing of different ethnic heritage backgrounds? It's important to breed out any of these and other types of blood disorders.

Note : One of my cousins had Thalassemia MAJOR. She looked like she was suffering from leukaemia all the time and was in and out of hospital with blood transfusions etc. She died before age 21.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassemia

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 4:10pm:

It's not that I'm oddly fascinated by inbreeding. It's more a matter of concern. I'm troubled by the problems which it can cause. Even today 1st cousins within Muslim communities EVERYWHERE INCLUDING AUSTRALIA are STILL allowed to marry and have children. That's not healthy or safe.

Read your post.

Yes, the issue of inbreeding with cousins is a problem in remote communities around the world.

Cousin marriage increases the expression of recessive genes 20-fold.

The worst I saw recently was about an Appalachian family, who are the result of what's known as double-cousin inbreeding - a person with four grandparents in common. The outcomes are horrific.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 4:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:10pm: It's not that I'm oddly fascinated by inbreeding. It's more a matter of concern. I'm troubled by the problems which it can cause. Even today 1st cousins within Muslim communities EVERYWHERE INCLUDING AUSTRALIA are STILL allowed to marry and have children. That's not healthy or safe. Read your post. Yes, the issue of inbreeding with cousins is a problem in remote communities around the world. Cousin marriage increases the expression of recessive genes 20-fold. The worst I saw recently was about an Appalachian family, who are the result of what's known as double-cousin inbreeding - a person with four grandparents in common. The outcomes are horrific.

Terrible situation.

Unfortunately this cousin inbreeding phenomenon occurs today and not just in remote areas. It's part n parcel of arranged marriages too. By that I mean parents introduce and encourage their children to marry into certain families. The children who end up getting married are usually young and totally emotionally swayed into thinking and believing that what they're doing is right and respectful in their community.

Look I don't expect non Mediterranean people who post on OzPol to fully grasp what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure some who may be reading this post will be thinking along the lines of such children being emotionally abused and made to feel guilty or even face being shunned if they don't comply with their parent's ideas. What's not understood is this : such parents are trying to safeguard their children's future by marrying them into families which are very well known to them. That's the objective.

The reality? Miserable marriages, miserable children and grandchildren and chronic blood disorders which affect health and safety and cause more misery.

I've always spoken FOR marrying outside of your ethnic cultural group. In fact I did and ALL my brothers and sisters have done so. Sure our children look different to us in that they're fair haired, blue/hazel eyed little Aussies with Aussie sounding names but they still identify as being of Greek and Italian as well as Anglo Celtic descent and these cultures are tightly held and respected by them.

Most importantly....the children are healthy and happy. One other thing I've noticed is this : I can see that they respect other cultures more readily too. They're not as insular.

Anyway ... back to the topic. The Queen and Prince Philip were  cousins.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

Anyway ... back to the topic. The Queen and Prince Philip were  cousins.

They were 3rd cousins, through their great-great-grandmother, Queen Victoria; too distant to cause issues with inbreeding.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:42am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:21am: Anyway ... back to the topic. The Queen and Prince Philip were  cousins. They were 3rd cousins, through their great-great-grandmother, Queen Victoria; too distant to cause issues with inbreeding.

"Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II were cousins through Queen Victoria.

Philip's mother, Princess Alice, was born in 1885 in the presence of her great-grandmother Queen Victoria at Windsor Castle, according to Town & Country. Windsor Castle — where Prince Philip's mother was born in the 19th century — is where the duke died.

Prince Philip was related to Queen Victoria as a great-great-grandson through his maternal side, and his future wife was related to the same queen through her paternal family.

King George VI, the father of Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret, was a great-grandson of Queen Victoria.

That made Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth third cousins."


LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT QUEEN VICTORIA who is their common ancestor.

Victoria married her first cousin Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in 1840. Their children married into royal and noble families across the continent, earning Victoria the sobriquet "the grandmother of Europe" and spreading haemophilia in European royalty.

Oh dear 🥺

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 10:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:42am: Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:21am: Anyway ... back to the topic. The Queen and Prince Philip were  cousins. They were 3rd cousins, through their great-great-grandmother, Queen Victoria; too distant to cause issues with inbreeding. "Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II were cousins through Queen Victoria. Philip's mother, Princess Alice, was born in 1885 in the presence of her great-grandmother Queen Victoria at Windsor Castle, according to Town & Country. Windsor Castle — where Prince Philip's mother was born in the 19th century — is where the duke died. Prince Philip was related to Queen Victoria as a great-great-grandson through his maternal side, and his future wife was related to the same queen through her paternal family. King George VI, the father of Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret, was a great-grandson of Queen Victoria. That made Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth third cousins." LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT QUEEN VICTORIA who is their common ancestor. Victoria married her first cousin Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha in 1840. Their children married into royal and noble families across the continent, earning Victoria the sobriquet "the grandmother of Europe" and spreading haemophilia in European royalty. Oh dear 🥺

Princess Alice may be of interest to you as she married Prince Andrew of Greece - hence Prince Philip was born Greek.

The 100 years ago show

https://www.steynonline.com/12877/golly-golly-gone

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Florence Kate Upton's Golliwogg in formal minstrel attire in The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg in 1895

60 years ago today on the 27th October 1962, human life on Earth came the closest it has ever come to a terrible ending. Everyone alive today owes their life to this handsome devil, and most of us don't even know his name.

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https://www.historyhit.com/vasili-arkhipov-the-soviet-officer-who-averted-nuclear-war/

Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; 7 September 1939 – 19 May 2017) was a lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces who played a key role in the 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident.

Sconehenge

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