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Message started by Jovial Monk on Aug 26th, 2022 at 6:30pm

Title: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 26th, 2022 at 6:30pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Jry6DDvB0&ab_channel=WION

This is deadly for the fish and other critters that live in the river, deadly physically and economically for the people that rely on the river.

Is this climate change or just La Nina?

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2022 at 6:38pm
Too many Chinese - they drank it dry.
Terrible.


Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 26th, 2022 at 6:47pm

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A record-breaking drought has caused some rivers in China – including parts of the Yangtze – to dry up, affecting hydropower, halting shipping, and forcing major companies to suspend operations.

A nationwide drought alert was issued on Friday as a long-running and severe heatwave in China’s heavily populated south-west was forecast to continue well into September.

The loss of water flow to China’s extensive hydropower system has sparked a “grave situation” in Sichuan, which gets more than 80% of its energy from hydropower.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/22/china-drought-causes-yangtze-river-to-dry-up-sparking-shortage-of-hydropower

Great, the river is dry because of a drought. I could not have worked this out for myself  ::) ::) ::)


Quote:
DROUGHTS IN CHINA
Drought in China in 2006 and 2007
Drought in Southwest China in 2009 and 2010
Drought in 2009-2010 in Yunnan
Affects of the Drought in Southwest China in 2009-2010
Affect of Drought in Southwest China in 2009-2010 on Farmers
Drought in Northern China in 2009
Affect of Drought in Northern China in 2009 on Farmers
Winter Drought in Northern China in 2010-2011
Drought Fuels Inflation and Has Global Implications
Yangtze Delta Drought in 2011
Droughts in the 2020s. . . .

China's state meteorologists have blamed an increase in the number of extreme weather events in recent years on climate change. But the drought has been intensified by massive deforestation and the pollution and depletion of water resources caused by China’s heady pursuit of economic growth, said Ma Jun, author of "China's Water Crisis". "There is such a tight eco-balance now that whenever we have a problem with a natural climate phenomenon, it causes a big disaster. We don't have much extra capacity to absorb the impact," he said. [Source: Dan Martin, AFP, March 29, 2010]


https://factsanddetails.com/china/cat10/sub64/item1879.html

So AGW and deforestation in China’s headlong rush to grow the economy is causing the droughts.

Rainmaking is being tried now to get some water into the Yangzte, China’s most important source of drinking water, hydro power generation and transport artery.


Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Belgarion on Aug 26th, 2022 at 8:05pm
Now to counter the alarmism with some common sense:https://www.yahoo.com/news/yangtze-river-drought-reveals-ancient-140001799.html

These statues are 600 years old, therefore the river level was lower 600 years ago than it is now and the article admits that records have only been kept since 1865.. ::)

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2022 at 8:23pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 26th, 2022 at 8:05pm:
Now to counter the alarmism with some common sense:https://www.yahoo.com/news/yangtze-river-drought-reveals-ancient-140001799.html

These statues are 600 years old, therefore the river level was lower 600 years ago than it is now and the article admits that records have only been kept since 1865.. ::)



For the AGW kids 600 years is like - wha'??

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 26th, 2022 at 9:39pm
Since then the Yangtze has been dammed, raising water levels except in the case of a severe drought.

600 years is 60 decades so at the end the globe will be 60 x 0.2 = 12°C hotter. That is hotter than Eemian times when sea levels were 20m higher than now.

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Frank on Aug 26th, 2022 at 9:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2022 at 9:39pm:
Since then the Yangtze has been dammed, raising water levels except in the case of a severe drought.

600 years is 60 decades so at the end the globe will be 60 x 0.2 = 12°C hotter. That is hotter than Eemian times when sea levels were 20m higher than now.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get some turnips, Baldrick.


Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 26th, 2022 at 10:40pm
0.2°C per decade is the rate at which AGW is warming the world now. By 2300 we should be at Eemian temperatures and sea levels will be rising at much faster rates than now.

That is what the science is telling us.

Have a look here: https://www.remss.com/research/climate/

Of course, we could have a nuclear winter or massive volcanic eruptions, much bigger than Krakatoa causing a 2 year winter, etc. But freak accidents aside, 0.2°C per decade is how much global temperatures will rise—and rise for the foreseeable future, so much CO2 absorbed by the oceans that as atmospheric CO2 decreases the oceans, due to the drop in the partial pressure of CO2, will release more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by AusGeoff on Aug 26th, 2022 at 11:51pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 26th, 2022 at 8:05pm:
Now to counter the alarmism with some common sense:https://www.yahoo.com/news/yangtze-river-drought-reveals-ancient-140001799.html

These statues are 600 years old, therefore the river level was lower 600 years ago than it is now and the article admits that records have only been kept since 1865...


The massively increased population of course puts an ever increasing
strain on China's water supply.  And the major evaporative water losses
from millions of hectares of open rice paddies doesn't help.



600 years ago, the Chinese population was ~100 million;  today it's ~1.4 billion.





Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 27th, 2022 at 12:45am
Rice doesn’t HAVE to be grown in water. Water kills weeds is about all.

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by AusGeoff on Aug 27th, 2022 at 5:18am
Photos: Chinese farmers create stunning art in paddy fields.
Murals created by planting rice of various types and colours.










Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 27th, 2022 at 8:45am
Wow!

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Belgarion on Aug 27th, 2022 at 10:04am

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 26th, 2022 at 11:51pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 26th, 2022 at 8:05pm:
Now to counter the alarmism with some common sense:https://www.yahoo.com/news/yangtze-river-drought-reveals-ancient-140001799.html

These statues are 600 years old, therefore the river level was lower 600 years ago than it is now and the article admits that records have only been kept since 1865...


The massively increased population of course puts an ever increasing
strain on China's water supply.  And the major evaporative water losses
from millions of hectares of open rice paddies doesn't help.



600 years ago, the Chinese population was ~100 million;  today it's ~1.4 billion.


The elephant in the room with all the genuine concerns about pollution and depletion of natural resources is population growth.  The human race cannot keep increasing without consequences.


Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by John Smith on Aug 27th, 2022 at 7:13pm
there is some pretty interesting stuff being discovered around the world in some of the regions where the rivers are drying up


https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-08-27/drought-dried-riverbeds-hidden-treasures-climate-change/101370438


Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Lols on Aug 27th, 2022 at 10:23pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 7:13pm:
there is some pretty interesting stuff being discovered around the world in some of the regions where the rivers are drying up


https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-08-27/drought-dried-riverbeds-hidden-treasures-climate-change/101370438


It’s so interesting what lay hidden beneath the surface of water.
I’ve often thought what secrets hide down there.

And this one in lake Mead….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10778475/Body-barrel-bottom-Lake-Mead-Police-warn-surface-water-level-drops.html

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by AusGeoff on Aug 27th, 2022 at 10:29pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 7:13pm:
there is some pretty interesting stuff being discovered around the world in some of the regions where the rivers are drying up...


Great link!  Thanks.



Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 28th, 2022 at 5:35am
From John’s excellent link:


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Most of the tracks were made by Acrocanthosaurus, which weighed nearly seven tons as an adult and stood 4.5 metres tall.

Another dinosaur, Sauroposeidon, also left tracks in the park. It measured more than 18 metres tall and weighed 44 tons in adulthood.


Imagine coming face to face with a carnivorous lizard that weighed SEVEN TONS and was 4.5m/11.6' tall!



You can tell from those teeth this little beauty was no grass eater!

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Acrocanthosaurus was a bipedal predator. As the name suggests, it is best known for the high neural spines on many of its vertebrae, which most likely supported a ridge of muscle over the animal's neck, back, and hips.[1] Acrocanthosaurus was one of the largest theropods, with the largest specimen reaching 11 meters (36 ft) in length and weighing approximately 3.6–4.4 metric tons (4.0–4.9 short tons).[2][3][4] Large theropod footprints discovered in Texas may have been made by Acrocanthosaurus, although there is no direct association with skeletal remains.


A lizard weighing 44 tons could not move fast enough to catch prey! Which is good because a lizard 18m/59' tall would be a heart stopping sight!


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Paleoecological analysis indicates that Sauroposeidon lived on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico, in a river delta. Extrapolations based on the more completely known Brachiosaurus indicate that the head of Sauroposeidon could reach 16.5–18 m (54–59 ft) in height with its neck extended, which would make it one of the tallest known dinosaurs. With an estimated length of 27–34 m (89–112 ft) and a mass of 40–60 t (44–66 short tons), it also ranks among the longest and heaviest. However, this animal may not be as closely related to Brachiosaurus as previously thought, so these estimates may be inaccurate.

While initially described as a brachiosaurid closely related to Brachiosaurus and Giraffatitan, the discovery of additional remains in the Cloverly Formation of Wyoming suggested that it was in fact more closely related to the titanosaurs, in the group Somphospondyli. Analysis of these remains and comparison with others from Texas supported this conclusion, and demonstrated that the more completely known sauropods from the Twin Mountains Formation (including a partial skull and fossil trackways) previously named Paluxysaurus jonesi also belonged to Sauroposeidon.[5] It is the state dinosaur of Texas.[6]




(both extracts from wiki)

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by John Smith on Aug 28th, 2022 at 10:59am

Sophia wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 10:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 7:13pm:
there is some pretty interesting stuff being discovered around the world in some of the regions where the rivers are drying up


https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-08-27/drought-dried-riverbeds-hidden-treasures-climate-change/101370438


It’s so interesting what lay hidden beneath the surface of water.
I’ve often thought what secrets hide down there.

And this one in lake Mead….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10778475/Body-barrel-bottom-Lake-Mead-Police-warn-surface-water-level-drops.html



I especially liked the bronze age city in Iraq ..what a find

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 28th, 2022 at 3:22pm
Yes, and they are doing archaeology at breakneck speed, will be under water again at some time!


Iraq—Fertile Crescent.

So US-Europe–Asia hot and dry.

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 28th, 2022 at 4:32pm
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Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Aug 29th, 2022 at 9:29am
Why DOES the Yangtze dry up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZyOZVkN74&ab_channel=ChinaInsights

Title: Re: Yangtze river at record low
Post by Jovial Monk on Sep 11th, 2022 at 2:31pm
Meanwhile, Pakistan is drowning—and is demanding compensation:


Quote:
Pakistan minister says West has 'responsibility' to help with floods as it's caused climate change

Pakistan is in the midst of a huge natural disaster, with flash floods sweeping away whole villages and more than 30 million affected.

Richer countries have a "responsibility" to help Pakistan deal with flooding and prevent future disasters because they've caused climate change, its planning minister has said.

More than 1,000 people are reported to have died so far and over a million homes have been damaged.

Historic monsoon rains have also swept away roads, bridges and crops - and planning minister Ahsan Iqbal said Pakistan was feeling the effects of climate change caused by richer nations and their "irresponsible development".

"Our carbon footprint is lowest in the world," said Mr Iqbal.

"The international community has a responsibility to help us, upgrade our infrastructure, to make our infrastructure more climate resilient, so that we don't have such losses every three, four, five years."

"Those areas which used to receive rainfall aren't receiving rainfall and those areas which used to receive very mild rains are receiving very heavy rainfall," he added.

The cost of recovering from the disaster is estimated at more than $10bn (£8.54bn) and might take about five years, Mr Iqbal said in an interview with Reuters news agency.

This may be the beginning of litany of Climate compensation claims. Should countries or regions receive compensation from those who perpetrated global warming? If so, where does the buck stop?


https://news.sky.com/topic/pakistan-6263

What of critters?
Stock and people are camped in close proximity on slivers of high ground and this proximity and lack of hygiene are causing many cases of mosquito-borne dengue as well as scabies.

So the effect of AGW on critters may soon see cases in some sort of international tribunal. Freeloaders—countries too lazy to maintain infrastructure say—will doubtless join in the feeding frenzy.

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