A local disability group are calling for help
End the intimidation and violence. It’s time to welcome the Australian Army to our town to help us!!
On behalf of Central Australia‘s most valuable citizens (those living with a disability).
We request that the Territory and Commonwealth governments to Work together to implement the following immediately;
1. Provide sufficient resources, which may include the use of the Australian Defence Force to,
  A, to Police known trouble spots
  B, To introduce a zero-tolerance approach to crime and criminal behaviour in Alice Springs.
C, To implement an immediate nighttime youth curfew for a period of 6 months.
2. We call on both levels of Government to begin discussions in order to create a skills-based Outback boarding school out of Alice Springs for young offenders and at-risk youth.
3. We call on the territory government to immediately instigate a review of the youth justice Act to ensure that the Act institutes the principles of accepting responsibility for one’s actions.
People living with a disability in Alice Springs Should no longer have to feel fear just because they live in Alice Springs.
Therefore if these urgent requests are not attended to, DAGAS will ask the people of Alice Springs to rally together at 5 pm Monday Evening the 12th of  September in order that the much-needed circuit breaker is delivered.

Seems reasonable (given the location as well as the group requesting the assistance).

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

This from a Citizen of the Alice

Joel Crawford
Yes I am one of the three founders of this group! We need your support greatly!! The elderly, sick and disabled are at a much higher risk and the big issues of safety are not there in this town and not being addressed by our local Government.
Just yesterday at the Hartley Street School museum I look after had extensive damage done to it! Smashed glass all over the place I still there now as I write this😡! Which I shall be notifying to council at 8am.
In the office I found a huge stone next to my office chair by the computer! I have Epilespsy and if it hit me in the head at a time when I would be doing the admin! I do not think I be here telling you this now. So how am I suppose to dress!!! Make sure I have a Motor Bike Helmet on my head! In case when I am in there at the computer desk a rock come's through it and hit's me in the head🤷!!!???.
This lawlessness must stop! And I am sorry for all those that disagree and want this to continue! But police can not handle this ouy of control lawlessness any longer.
Army intervention, 6 to 12 months curfew and education out of town needed.
We ask all of you to please march with us if these much needed demands are not put in place by September.
I have been saying now for a long time!! Enough is enough.
If anyone would like to get in contact with me please email me at joelcrawford43@gmail.com and together we can all win back our town! For us to make it a safer town for all.
Let us all do this before it is way toooooo late.

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

Yes it can

The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship
between the executive and the Defence Force are:
   
s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws
for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with
respect to:-…
    
(vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the
several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain
the laws of the Commonwealth.


s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the
application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic
violence.

https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf

Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 10:33am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 9:50am: The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians. Yes it can The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship between the executive and the Defence Force are:     s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:-…      (vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain the laws of the Commonwealth. s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic violence. https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf

I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion.  It is not applicable to usual policing matters.   Good try.   

Wonder if there'll be a Tarrant circuit breaker.... just a thought...

it would be a good learning exercise if adam bandt and all the other green senators were made to do a 1 week camping trip with their families in the Todd River

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

Boris wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 10:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 9:50am: The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians. Yes it can The provisions in the Constitution immediately relevant to the relationship between the executive and the Defence Force are:     s 51 The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:-…      (vi) The naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain the laws of the Commonwealth. s 119 The Commonwealth shall protect every State against invasion and, on the application of the Executive Government of the State, against domestic violence. https://www.unswlawjournal.unsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/28-2-7.pdf I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion.  It is not applicable to usual policing matters.   Good try.

No quite that simple. While the ADF has not been used in suppressing armed insurrection, it has been used to neutralise terrorists and is often used to enforce evacuation orders etc. during natural disasters. 

maintain the laws of the Commonwealth.

against domestic violence.

In Alice Springs the laws are out the window and domestic violence is a serious issue

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

I believe the application of executive government of state against domestic violence refers to incidence of armed insurrection and or rebellion.  It is not applicable to usual policing matters.

The law is quite clear. Domestic (Australia is where I am domiciled), Violence against those domiciled within Australia.

The Army has been called out for bush fires, looting after events where the States have requested help.

"7.12 In order to perform these roles, the ADF maintains significant military capability supported by comprehensive logistics support and employs advanced technology. These capabilities can be used in a broad range of circumstances, including warfighting, securing Australia’s maritime boundary, support to counterterrorism capabilities, search and rescue, and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief."

https://naturaldisaster.royalcommission.gov.au/publications/html-report/chapter-07

The NT is not a State

The Crime in the NT is out of all Control - so the Citizens are calling for the Army to protect the Citizens

You say - they don't need the army - things are just fine - let the people be raped and murdered - everything is just fine in the NT

Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:24pm:

The NT is not a State

It still has the power to call on the ADF.

Aid to the civil power is a complex issue.  Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement  because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out.  In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy.  He was severely criticised for that decision.

In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin.  The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this.  It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation.

In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision.  The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament.

Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power.  While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention.  In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower.   The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

The Australia army can not be used to police domestic issues or against civilians.

Dirty Dan did so in Melbourne during the lockdowns.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 2:46pm:

Aid to the civil power is a complex issue.  Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement  because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out.  In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy.  He was severely criticised for that decision. In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin.  The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this.  It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation. In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision.  The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament. Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power.  While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention.  In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower.   The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.

I was there.... clear picture memories.  So put me on a lie detector ...

The generaL rule as I once knew it was that the civil authorities had to cede that the situation was out of their control, and that a body of organised and trained personnel were needed.... as in the Iranian embassy 1980.

So if the civil authorities are prepared to say they cannot control the situation, it is possible for the military to intervene under strict conditions and under general law, not military or martial law.  Any wrongdoing by a soldier would be dealt with in a civilian court.

Martial law requires a complete breakdown of law first and then alternative measures can be undertaken to suppress violence, crime and looting and such.

You can't just shoot rioters, looters etc in the streets .... tempting though it may seem at the time.....

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 2:46pm:

Aid to the civil power is a complex issue.  Normally, the ADF steers well clear of doing law enforcement  because it is difficult at the best of times for it to be called out.  In 1974 in Darwin, the local commander refused to allow his camp stores to be issued to the civilian population which had survived Cyclone Tracy.  He was severely criticised for that decision. In 1978 a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel Sydney, killing a council worker who was attempting to empty a rubbish bin.  The Australian Government called out the regular Army to patrol railway lines and roads without authorisation. Indeed, such a kerfuffle was caused that it was not discovered until two years later that the Government did not have the ability to legally do this.  It took another few years for a special act of Parliament to be passed enabling a partial mobilisation. In 1989 an Earthquake struck Newcastle and local command in mind of what happened to the Darwin commander called out, off his own bat, the local Army Reserve and authorised the issue of camp stores to civilians, he was praised for his decision.  The Army Reserve had no special powers which required another act of Parliament. Overall the ADF looks very askance at being requested to provide Aid to the Civil Power.  While it can now, legally partially mobilise it's forces to do so, it is still difficult and it's forces have no special powers of arrest or detention.  In Melbourne in 2020 the Army provided extra backup to the civil police in the execution of their duties however in doing so, they were deployed in mixed patrols with the civil police providing the legal authority and the ADF the manpower.   The people of Alice Springs can panic as much as they like but you won't see ADF personnel patrolling the streets any time in the near future.

Alice Springs is a disaster area because of crime and lawlessness

The army with guns and patrols and curfews and shoot on sight is the only answer

Can I get the blue helmets in please? Someone keeps dropping rubbish on the footpath on my street.

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

Can I get the blue helmets in please? Someone keeps dropping rubbish on the footpath on my street.

Sniper team in the church tower.... the first few won't know what hit them....

A man was caught on video walking naked into an Alice Springs street and jumping on top of a taxi.

Naked taxi ride in Alice Springs
17 hours ago
NewsDNARaw

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs/video/0732637e44a5efe622f5de9db8eb8608

https://www.news.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs/video/0732637e44a5efe622f5de9db8eb8608

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:40am:

A man was caught on video walking naked into an Alice Springs street and jumping on top of a taxi. Naked taxi ride in Alice Springs 17 hours ago NewsDNARaw https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs/video/0732637e44a5efe622f5de9db8eb8608 https://www.news.com.au/news/northern-territory/naked-taxi-ride-in-alice-springs/video/0732637e44a5efe622f5de9db8eb8608

Just part of the culture ...... needs a voice to sort everything out....

Now don't you dare start posting about actual events - you'll bring out the ageist, racist, sexist generationist types who will gang up on you and screech at you like bonobos...  call you names and such.... and you know how much political impact that can have in this day and age.... it takes a brave person to stand against New City Hall in all its righteousness...

Who was it that said any 'revolutionary' movement sets about correcting what it perceives as wrong about a society, and ends up being the very thing it said it abhorred..... might have been Geoffrey Robertson.... sort of has that feel to it... anyway - you only need to look at Russia and China for clear examples of the truth of that... generations to get rid of oligarchs and now controlled by oligarchs with even greater powers of intrusion and removal of dissidents and even the same expansionist fantasies ......   8-)

People just ain't no good.....

You want a voice?

Here is one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmnDScYEdo&t=17s

Better get the government to appoint someone to speak on his behalf.

I'm waiting for the crying to begin about how suddenly (?) all this nasty real life stuff about Abos (Abonibos?) is coming out when the ever so decent government is simply trying to get them heard for all their grievances..........

(hold the falling about laughing, Igor - you'll distress the peasantry out there)......



For those of you who missed it, Igor is my Dark Side... the one that comes out when I am confronted by stupidity of the first water, or lies, or dirty work at the crossroads, or scumbag behaviour.... the side of every one of us that comes to the fore and demands castration, public whipping and then slow execution after drawing and quartering for rapists etc.... we all have it - some of us know it and keep it under control.... most of you are sleeping..... and of course - you only want to kill Boomers and drink their blood.... a sure sign of the deeper insanity of the majority of you...... and to think in public you all seems so sane and reasonable in your utter madness........ sociopaths are like that.....

I guess most of you wouldn't begin to understand subtle ways of seeing things if it fell on you like an anvil in a cartoon ....

You'll note no links to Matty's Facebook post.

This article helps explain why.

https://alicespringsnews.com.au/2011/10/13/apology-accpted-for-racist-ads-on-imparja-from-action-for-alice/

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 1:39pm:

You want a voice? Here is one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmnDScYEdo&t=17s

The Drunken Boong video has become a genre in itself, a genre where everybody with a camera phone is welcome to film the Boong in his natural habitat, drinking, singing, dancing and having fun. Who could forget Gordon's long grass party, with its colourful drunken tranny celebrating her birthday in style, or the Central Desert VB monument, where thirsty drinkers gather to add a splash of green to the red earth, can by can?

The hallmark of the genre is its juxtaposition of the drunken Boong with his environment, the large, empty land mass of Australia, the dead heart. Irony is a central rhetorical device. The primitive drunkenness of the Boong is always contrasted with the trappings of modernity. The Boong, it asserts, has been given all he needs, but he chooses to drink. Nature itself rests in the background, a testament to the intractability of the primitive, untamable nature of outback Australia.

Here we have Chappy, an elderly shirtless Boong, dancing with gay aplomb to the Boney M disco classic, Rivers of Babylon. Here, in the outback dirt, the drunken Chappy gesticulates, moving his limbs in spasms of carefree abandon, his grey-bearded face grimacing with the spasticity of intoxication. Here, Chappy dances his native dance, not happy, not sad, but alone. It is a performance of grim self-determination, of survival. Chappy is fueled, as it were, not just by the grog, but by the phone camera's gaze. At the video's end, we hear the cameraman laugh, and we are brought into the moment. There, as the screen fades to black, we know. Chappy will reach for another drink, an attempt to quench a thirst as big as the outback itself.

Cans Film Festival.....

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 1:39pm:

You want a voice? Here is one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmnDScYEdo&t=17s

He only had a little drink.    ;D

Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:24pm:

The NT is not a State

And Boongs are not a race, no?

Cordon it off - check IDs on everyone wanting to get out - then turn it into a free fire zone...