Watch this fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le6KNI9YsH0


another one
jump to 1:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAQlLu5ttOk

button batteries are dangerous too goober. Your point?

Looks pretty lame compared to a petrol fire. Even the bottles of clag glue we used in primary school could put on more of a show.

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 9:48pm:

Looks pretty lame compared to a petrol fire. Even the bottles of clag glue we used in primary school could put on more of a show.

I'm sorry that those videos failed to impress you.

Forgiven.

Namaste.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2022 at 7:02am:

Forgiven. Namaste.

many blessings beloved Freediver,
there are those upon your world,
when they receive encouragement,
enlightenment, answers
they yet still choose to lament in " what if " scenarios ..
even after receiving the great news and reminders
of that which ye are capable of
carry on regardless as more knowledge regarding your predicament,
is revealed with so very much love.

namaste

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 9:48pm:

Looks pretty lame compared to a petrol fire. Even the bottles of clag glue we used in primary school could put on more of a show.

Lithium fires melt steel. Petrol fires not so much. Fire services told that unless they have hazmat stay upwind by 600 metres.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Watch this fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le6KNI9YsH0 another one jump to 1:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAQlLu5ttOk

Unlike, say, setting petrol on fire?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2022 at 9:48pm: Looks pretty lame compared to a petrol fire. Even the bottles of clag glue we used in primary school could put on more of a show. I'm sorry that those videos failed to impress you.

FleaDriver is more impressed by arson and arse-in.

HV lithium batteries are extremely dangerous if they catch on fire. They can re-ignite several times even after being fully extinguished too.

Fire fighters hate them.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 12:21am:

HV lithium batteries are extremely dangerous if they catch on fire. They can re-ignite several times even after being fully extinguished too. Fire fighters hate them.

Very true, however an object is "on fire" after it "catches fire." It doesn't "catch on fire."

Yes, fair point. Americanisms have infiltrated my typing.  :-[

Not as bad as my daughter though ... she says: "Twos-day" instead of "Tee-use-day"  ;D

I was on a four lane highway near an urban area in Queensland when a petrol driven "utility," in front of me, pulled over. The driver jumped out and the vehicle burst into flames and completely burned out. It didn't even make the local TV news.

Yes.  EV batteries can be dangerous, just as they are in laptops, electric bikes
and scooters, and LED torches. They all use an 18650 cell rated at 3.7 volts.

The most popular Tesla battery pack contains 7,104 of these cells.

These are single 18650 cells.  Note the air vents on the positive end.
https://i.postimg.cc/xjxhjBBf/samsung30-Q-1.jpg

And this is a typical module which makes up a vehicle battery...

https://i.postimg.cc/hPJDKLyY/diy-lithium-ion-battery-18650-cells-8-1.jpg

"Protected" 18650 cells (with air vents) have an internal electronic circuit
embedded in the cell packaging (battery casing) that protects the cell from
'over charge', heat, 'over discharge', 'over current' and short circuit.

Sometimes, that protection fails—as per the above videos!!!    

John Smith wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 9:37pm:

button batteries are dangerous too goober. Your point?

That's how Booby operates, he posts stuff and fails to make a point because if he does, it can so easily be shown to be BS.

So he starts this thread to scrare people way from EV's, then in another thread complains about the price of fossil fuel.

No logic there, no evidence of thought at all.

Then fails to acknowledge how dangerous petrol is.

https://youtu.be/f3UUVGbL1q0

https://youtu.be/rcZzM8e-9SI

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2022 at 11:31am:

Yes, fair point. Americanisms have infiltrated my typing.  :-[ Not as bad as my daughter though ... she says: "Twos-day" instead of "Tee-use-day"  ;D

Yes that annoying.

As annoying as South Australians who cannot say "Medal" correctly.  Listen to Bruce McEvany on Gold "medewl"  I can't reproduce it, but the L at the end is not pronounced correctly.

But if you say Medal, without touching the roof of your mouth with the tip of your tongue when the L is pronounced (it's hard to do) you will reproduce it.

Annoying as ...

random wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 7:12am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 29th, 2022 at 11:31am: Yes, fair point. Americanisms have infiltrated my typing.  :-[ Not as bad as my daughter though ... she says: "Twos-day" instead of "Tee-use-day"  ;D Yes that annoying. As annoying as South Australians who cannot say "Medal" correctly.  Listen to Bruce McEvany on Gold "medewl"  I can't reproduce it, but the L at the end is not pronounced correctly. But if you say Medal, without touching the roof of your mouth with the tip of your tongue when the L is pronounced (it's hard to do) you will reproduce it. Annoying as ...

Yes, the L becomes a W. It is not uncommon in Queensland. Its baby talk. The problem with pronunciation, where ever you go, is that people do not listen to themselves, or compare the written word to enunciation. I always pity immigrants who learn English on Australian streets.

Yes, that annoying Bruce McEvany!  ;D

He's special.

On that subject, it really gets my goat when they say: "AthAlete" instead of athlete.  ::)

random wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 7:07am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2022 at 9:37pm: button batteries are dangerous too goober. Your point? That's how Booby operates, he posts stuff and fails to make a point because if he does, it can so easily be shown to be BS. So he starts this thread to scrare people way from EV's, then in another thread complains about the price of fossil fuel. No logic there, no evidence of thought at all. Then fails to acknowledge how dangerous petrol is.

What's wrong with people like you?

I never said that petrol was safe -
I said that EV batteries are dangerous.

Thanks for the public service announcement Bobby.

Don't forget your life jacket.

You know what else is dangerous? Life.

100% of people who died, did so as a result of being alive first.

Actually modern Li ion batteries are designed a lot better so they don't catch fire.

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Thanks for the public service announcement Bobby. Don't forget your life jacket.

Hi FD,
I will continue to make important public service announcements
as a way of doing good for society.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

random wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 7:07am: John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2022 at 9:37pm: button batteries are dangerous too goober. Your point? That's how Booby operates, he posts stuff and fails to make a point because if he does, it can so easily be shown to be BS. So he starts this thread to scrare people way from EV's, then in another thread complains about the price of fossil fuel. No logic there, no evidence of thought at all. Then fails to acknowledge how dangerous petrol is. What's wrong with people like you? I never said that petrol was safe - I said that EV batteries are dangerous.

So do you have some good information about how dangerous EV batteries are?  You know like stats and facts?

But this is the guy who was convinced there was another Ice Age coming soon, convinced by a few youtube videos.  Booby's only source of information is youtube, just like the OP of this thread.

Funny as ...

issuevoter wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 8:17am:

random wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 7:12am: Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 29th, 2022 at 11:31am: Yes, fair point. Americanisms have infiltrated my typing.  :-[ Not as bad as my daughter though ... she says: "Twos-day" instead of "Tee-use-day"  ;D Yes that annoying. As annoying as South Australians who cannot say "Medal" correctly.  Listen to Bruce McEvany on Gold "medewl"  I can't reproduce it, but the L at the end is not pronounced correctly. But if you say Medal, without touching the roof of your mouth with the tip of your tongue when the L is pronounced (it's hard to do) you will reproduce it. Annoying as ... Yes, the L becomes a W. It is not uncommon in Queensland. Its baby talk. The problem with pronunciation, where ever you go, is that people do not listen to themselves, or compare the written word to enunciation. I always pity immigrants who learn English on Australian streets.

Or the annoying pronunciation of 'Film' that goes 'Fil-em'.  I have a lifelong friend that has always pronounced it that way.

random wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 9:14am:

So do you have some good information about how dangerous EV batteries are?  You know like stats and facts? But this is the guy who was convinced there was another Ice Age coming soon, convinced by a few youtube videos.  Bobby's only source of information is youtube, just like the OP of this thread. Funny as ...

Random -
you need people like me so
you can point your finger and say -
he's a bad guy.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 9:20am:

random wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 9:14am: So do you have some good information about how dangerous EV batteries are?  You know like stats and facts? But this is the guy who was convinced there was another Ice Age coming soon, convinced by a few youtube videos.  Bobby's only source of information is youtube, just like the OP of this thread. Funny as ... Random - you need people like me so you can point your finger and say - he's a bad guy.

Nice dodge

https://media2.giphy.com/media/QA88yMhazfDI4/200.gif

This may be Ford propaganda, but it claims to have solved the fire-hazard in their new batter design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NkaMMPbiFk

issuevoter wrote on Aug 9^th, 2022 at 8:33am:

This may be Ford propaganda, but it claims to have solved the fire-hazard in their new batter design. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NkaMMPbiFk

Seems promising, a pity that they have roughly 50% of the range though at this stage.

Bobby, I thought you always fought to make sure you weren't a "sheep"...

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:12pm:

Bobby, I thought you always fought to make sure you weren't a "sheep"...

A further public service announcement:


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:23pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:12pm: Bobby, I thought you always fought to make sure you weren't a "sheep"... A further public service announcement: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg

EVs are safer than combustion engine vehicles in terms of fires.

There are far fewer instances overall and by %.

Cherry picking the information, memes and stories you have is done very purposefully.

I realise you're not smart enough to run such a campaign nor what would actually be in it for you, but you're certainly being used to push someone else's agenda, and you're being herded in that direction.

When was your last steering?

I can't believe you're so anti-big pharma but a literal shill for the big industries like Oil companies who don't want the status quo to change.

Mr Sad - stop trying to hide the truth.


A further public service announcement:


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:38pm:

Mr Sad - stop trying to hide the truth. A further public service announcement: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg

The truth used to mean something...

Not here.

I hope you don't die in a combustion engine car fire Bobby.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:38pm: Mr Sad - stop trying to hide the truth. A further public service announcement: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg The truth used to mean something... Not here. I hope you don't die in a combustion engine car fire Bobby.

Me too and I hope
I'm not a victim of an EV fire.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:38pm: Mr Sad - stop trying to hide the truth. A further public service announcement: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/113/440/931/original/635043fb974f5258.jpeg The truth used to mean something... Not here. I hope you don't die in a combustion engine car fire Bobby. Me too and I hope I'm not a victim of an EV fire.

There's no need to be a bedwetter over EV fires...

Check out this EV  bus fire -
it spread from one bus to 4 other buses:


https://www.bitchute.com/video/H3so79AafBQP/

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:14am:

Check out this EV  bus fire - it spread from one bus to 4 other buses:

You're talking about consequences without considering likelihood. People have been hit by meteorites, you know. Maybe you should start a thread on that.

Modern Lithium batteries are considerably less likely to ignite. I attended an incident where a large stack of lithium batteries were involved in a truck rollover. Nothing happened.

Fireys in Queensland are well aware that Li batteries are much safer than the first generation. We also have better Hazmat.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2022 at 8:14am: Check out this EV  bus fire - it spread from one bus to 4 other buses: You're talking about consequences without considering likelihood. People have been hit by meteorites, you know. Maybe you should start a thread on that. Modern Lithium batteries are considerably less likely to ignite. I attended an incident where a large stack of lithium batteries were involved in a truck rollover. Nothing happened. Fireys in Queensland are well aware that Li batteries are much safer than the first generation. We also have better Hazmat.

many blessings beloved John,
there are those upon your world,
when they receive encouragement,
enlightenment, answers
they yet still choose to lament in " what if " scenarios ..
even after receiving the great news and reminders
of that which ye are capable of
carry on regardless as more knowledge regarding your predicament,
is revealed with so very much love.

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:14am:

Check out this EV  bus fire - it spread from one bus to 4 other buses: https://www.bitchute.com/video/H3so79AafBQP/

Horrifying footage (or is that meterage?)...

Imagine if that bus were full of passengers.  Multiple deaths,
as the explosion/fire engulfs the bus in mere seconds. 

Diesel engine fire?  No fatalities in all likelihood.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 10:31pm:

many blessings beloved John, there are those upon your world, when they receive encouragement, enlightenment, answers they yet still choose to lament in " what if " scenarios .. even after receiving the great news and reminders of that which ye are capable of carry on regardless as more knowledge regarding your predicament, is revealed with so very much love. namaste

What have you been smoking?

Most establishments nowadays, including banks, commercial companies, insurance companies and even schools operate on a risk  basis. It's a fact of life in the 21st Century.

Risk is the product of consequence and likelihood.  The consequence of being hit by a meteorite are dire, but the likelihood is extremely low. It's a very rare event. The risk is also extremely low even though the consequences are high.

You have to consider overall risk. Even in aviation, most incidents are caused by a combination of factors of moderate likelihood.

Risk Management 101.

Petrol engine vehicles burst into flames regularly, the fire truck arrives, puts out the fire and the vehicle is towed away, but it is not newsworthy. On the whole, EVs are very safe, and the companies that produce them are extremely aware of legal liabilities, yet they have invested billions in this industry. On the other hand, internet critics of EVs have invested nothing other than the price of a comfortable chair.

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 2:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2022 at 8:14am: Check out this EV  bus fire - it spread from one bus to 4 other buses: https://www.bitchute.com/video/H3so79AafBQP/ Horrifying footage (or is that meterage?)... Imagine if that bus were full of passengers.  Multiple deaths, as the explosion/fire engulfs the bus in mere seconds.  Diesel engine fire?  No fatalities in all likelihood.

Yes - those fires can be very dangerous and notice
how quickly it develops into a sort of explosion?

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 10:31pm: many blessings beloved John, there are those upon your world, when they receive encouragement, enlightenment, answers they yet still choose to lament in " what if " scenarios .. even after receiving the great news and reminders of that which ye are capable of carry on regardless as more knowledge regarding your predicament, is revealed with so very much love. namaste What have you been smoking? Most establishments nowadays, including banks, commercial companies, insurance companies and even schools operate on a risk  basis. It's a fact of life in the 21st Century. Risk is the product of consequence and likelihood.  The consequence of being hit by a meteorite are dire, but the likelihood is extremely low. It's a very rare event. The risk is also extremely low even though the consequences are high. You have to consider overall risk. Even in aviation, most incidents are caused by a combination of factors of moderate likelihood. Risk Management 101.

dear John,
many blessings.
I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires as per an insurance risk assessment.

forgiven

namaste

Even AA lithium batteries are dangerous ...   :o

[media width=640]https://youtu.be/cTJh_bzI0QQ[/media]

issuevoter wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 8:04am:

Petrol engine vehicles burst into flames regularly, the fire truck arrives, puts out the fire and the vehicle is towed away, but it is not newsworthy.

Unlike electric vehicles, those with gasoline engines don't
spontaneously explode and engulf the entire vehicle in seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBV3oUT-IdI


issuevoter wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 8:04am:

On the whole, EVs are very safe, and the companies that produce them are extremely aware of legal liabilities, yet they have invested billions in this industry. On the other hand, internet critics of EVs have invested nothing other than the price of a comfortable chair.

The NSW Department of Fire and Emergency Services recorded
approximately 58 electric vehicle fires in 2020/21.  For all other
vehicles the number was 2,942 in the same period.  I guess it
depends on your definition of "very" safe?

At any rate, I simply can't afford to buy an electric vehicle at their
current exorbitant prices... 

A Kia EV6 sells for $73K, a Ford Escape for $55K, a Hyundai IONIQ 5
for $70K, and even the Toyota RV at $49K.

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Even AA lithium batteries are dangerous ...  https://youtu.be/cTJh_bzI0QQ

Interesting video, thanks.

Lithium-ion batteries don't use elemental (metal) lithium. They typically contain
a lithium-metal oxide, such as lithium-cobalt oxide (LiCoO₂) which supplies the
lithium-ions, hence the name.

Drop a Li-ion cell into water, and absolutely nothing will happen.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 8:20am:

I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires.....

Good! You now recognise where you went wrong.

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 7:34am:

Interesting video, thanks. Lithium-ion batteries don't use elemental (metal) lithium. They typically contain a lithium-metal oxide, such as lithium-cobalt oxide (LiCoO2) which supplies the lithium-ions, hence the name. Drop a Li-ion cell into water, and absolutely nothing will happen.

Correct, but they can catch fire if overheated. Modern designs make that much less likely though.

However there is such a thing as a lithium metal battery.  They are made for special purposes and are not usually rechargeable.

Ironically the newest design is even safer than the Lithium ion batteries currently in use and have a higher energy density.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-return-of-the-lithiummetal-battery

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 8:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 8:20am: I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires..... Good! You now recognise where you went wrong.

Don't half quote a sentence -
the whole sentence was


Quote:

I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires as per an insurance risk assessment.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 8:32am:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 8:11am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 8:20am: I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires..... Good! You now recognise where you went wrong. Don't half quote a sentence - the whole sentence was Quote: I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires as per an insurance risk assessment.

- but you don't deny the fact that you didn't consider the likelihood of EV Fires in any context. Right?

If you had actually researched the likelihood, you would have found something like this study.

https://belux.edmo.eu/fact-check-do-electric-cars-catch-fire-more-often-than-combustion-engine-cars/


Quote:

A major insurance company in the United States recently conducted a study. Electric cars, according to the study, are in fact the least likely to catch fire. 25.1 out of every 100,000 electric vehicles sold caught fire. For the same number of combustion engine cars, 1,529.9 caught fire.

So the next time you post something sensationaist, do everybody a favour and consider the comparative likelihood.

We currently have almost 8 billion people on the planet. So far only two people have been struck by meteorites. The likelihood is very low.

The likelihood of an eloectric car fire is much lower than that of an ICE car.

Let's put this one to bed.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 12:12pm:

If you had actually researched the likelihood, you would have found something like this study.

Now tell us how easy lithium fires are to put out as opposed to diesel or petrol fires.

lee wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 12:44pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 12:12pm: If you had actually researched the likelihood, you would have found something like this study. Now tell us how easy lithium fires are to put out as opposed to diesel or petrol fires.

Put it this way: By the time the fire service arrive, all three are burnt out, depending on how much fuel is in the tank. All fire service appliances here in Queensland carry F-500EA extinguishers.

Don't try to extinguish a vehicle fire yourself. There is too much risk of explosion and toxic fumes regardless of the vehicle type. The Fire service uses Breathing Apparatus.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 2:37pm:

By the time the fire service arrive, all three are burnt out, depending on how much fuel is in the tank

And the motorists involved likely dead if a lithium ion fire. Lithium fumes are extremely toxic.

Our brigade has BA equipment. We are still told to stand 600m upwind. We don't have F-500 EA extinguishers.

lee wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:42pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 2:37pm: By the time the fire service arrive, all three are burnt out, depending on how much fuel is in the tank And the motorists involved likely dead if a lithium ion fire. Lithium fumes are extremely toxic. Our brigade has BA equipment. We are still told to stand 600m upwind. We don't have F-500 EA extinguishers.

It's very unlikely that the motorists would be dead, although the fumes are indeed toxic and corrosive. (Phosphoryl fluoride and Hydrogen Fluoride). 

I am a Hazmat adviser by the way. The HAG always errs on the conservative side.  Are you a volunteer or a regular?

I am a Volunteer in a country Brigade. No full timers here.

OK. I'm not sure what other States do, but in Queensland we're very lucky as far as HAZMAT is concerned. Here, the Rurals mainly deal with bushfires. In fact they are the competent authority for bushfires.  The CFA in Victoria and WA, and the CFS in SA are pretty similar.

HAZMAT reponse everywhere else in Australia is less developed and very centralised.

I'd be very surprised if the full time stations don't have F-500 extinguishers.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 11:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 8:32am: John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 8:11am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 8:20am: I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires..... Good! You now recognise where you went wrong. Don't half quote a sentence - the whole sentence was Quote: I wasn't discussing the likelihood of EV fires as per an insurance risk assessment. - but you don't deny the fact that you didn't consider the likelihood of EV Fires in any context. Right?

I said they were dangerous.

QED.

Oh, by the way, while partisans argue the toss, the fact that EVs are going to displace most motor vehicles used by the general public, does not mean the end of the internal combustion engine. It will be with us for a very long time. Part of the reason is the vulnerability of the charging network in times of disaster.

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 9:54pm:

OK. I'm not sure what other States do, but in Queensland we're very lucky as far as HAZMAT is concerned.

A question How close to a lithium fire do you need to be to uses an F-500 EA? Considering they burn hot enough to melt steel, I wouldn't have thought that close.

Edit: I see they have a 1 litre container to fit on a fire hose. On a firefighters forum they say it is expensive but better than Class B foam.

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 11:45am:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31st, 2022 at 9:54pm: OK. I'm not sure what other States do, but in Queensland we're very lucky as far as HAZMAT is concerned. A question How close to a lithium fire do you need to be to uses an F-500 EA? Considering they burn hot enough to melt steel, I wouldn't have thought that close. Edit: I see they have a 1 litre container to fit on a fire hose. On a firefighters forum they say it is expensive but better than Class B foam.

Normal turnout should give you enough protection. This guy isn't even wearing BA.

I don't know where you are, but in 2019, I was in Southern NSW assisting with the aftermath of the bushfires. I saw one car in which the steel was molten.  It's amazing how hot these gully fires can get in high wind. I think you know how fast they can propagate uphill.

Across the border, some bushfires were so hot that some sections will take years to recover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGOEYtqI24

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 3:48pm:

This guy isn't even wearing BA.

It probably is a portable battery from a phone or similar.

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 4:14pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1st, 2022 at 3:48pm: This guy isn't even wearing BA. It probably is a portable battery from a phone or similar.

The real test is extinguishing mag wheel fires. Have you ever seen one on fire? They turn night into day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVdgxIGXeUw

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 11:45am:

On a firefighters forum they say it is expensive but better than Class B foam.

It is better than a Class B foam. Most firefighters don't realise that you can use just about any rehealing foam on flammable liquids.  Solberg don't make this publically known, but I had a long talk with their research guy a few years ago and he let it slip. I take it that you have stocks of RF-6 or something like that.

If they were American Firefighters, some of these guys are still using  AFFF.  They're a bit slow to adapt.

We are still waiting on replacement B class. It will be fluorine free.

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 8:55pm:

We are still waiting on replacement B class. It will be fluorine free.

Well if you still have AFFF, don’t spill it. It’s a bioaccumulant, with links to cancer.

Yeah. That's why the furore at Pearce RAAF Base.

Check out these figures. They are sobering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0V99iiEJvY

He was trapped inside his EV when the battery caught fire -
he had to break the window to escape with his life:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/115/993/829/playable/3ea4b097ca54679b.mp4

How to make a Tesla Battery Explode (Torture Test)

3,602,969 views  Feb 26, 2020


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwgdpysXUkA

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

He was trapped inside his EV when the battery caught fire - he had to break the window to escape with his life: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/115/993/829/playable/3ea4b097ca54679b.mp4

Those EV batteries a bit dangerous.
You’d think if the battery caught fire there would be an alternative circuit
for another battery to open the doors or a mechanical door opener?
I don’t know how those Teslas get an Australian design rules certificate?

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries.

They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper. 

Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer.

https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries. They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.  Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer. https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

Thanks - very interesting.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 8:23pm: There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries. They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.  Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer. https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/ Thanks - very interesting.

Might be a good time to sell your Lithium stocks.

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 8:41pm: John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18th, 2022 at 8:23pm: There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries. They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.  Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer. https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/ Thanks - very interesting. Might be a good time to sell your Lithium stocks.

Might be a good idea if Teslas had good old fashioned mechanical
levers to open the doors.

eBike Batteries Are Catching Fire - How to know if you’re Safe

67,595 views  Sep 21, 2022 

Recently there has been lots of post on Reddit discussing ebike battery fires and explosions.
This is a real problem but if you follow certain battery safety tips
and buy quality ebikes you should be okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnhBoSpzBrI

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/waterlogged-electric-vehicles-spontaneously-catch-fire-florida-after-hurricane



Flooded Electric Vehicles Spontaneously Catch On Fire In Florida After Hurricane


Tyler Durden's Photo
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Oct 08, 2022 - 12:07 AM


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"There's a ton of EVs disabled from Ian. As those batteries corrode, fires start," according to Jimmy Patronis, Florida's top financial officer and fire marshal.

Patronis tweeted Thursday that after Hurricane Ian made landfall last week and flooded regions of his state, a bunch of electric vehicles (EVs) were caught in floods, batteries were waterlogged, and some spontaneously caught on fire.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/10/07/TELEMMGLPICT000311924268_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg

credit: the Telegraph
UK companies are collapsing at the fastest rate since the height of the global financial crisis as surging energy bills drive thousands of firms out of business.
National Grid says households and businesses could be cut off for around three hours a day if Britain cannot buy enough gas and electricity from abroad due to global shortages.

A must see short video - 1 minute.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/119/762/728/playable/c59b1713dc066260.mp4

Hurricane Ian in Florida gave EV owners a lot to think about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5NiWJcyrwI

THE fire aboard the car carrier Felicity Ace in the Atlantic last week has once more focussed all the stakeholders in the auto shipping industry on the issue of what to do about EVs that spontaneously combust while being transported at sea.
The cars on the ship burned with such intensity that parts of the hull above the waterline melted.

All 4000 Volkswagen Group cars destined for the US market have been destroyed. The ship is a write-off and there is considerable downstream damage in terms of lost sales for both VW Group and its dealers. In addition to VWs, the cargo included 189 Bentleys and 1100 Porsches as well as Audis.

While it has yet to be established what started the fire, what kept it burning were an estimated 1000 EVs with lithium-ion batteries based on the fact that 25 per cent of VW production is now dedicated to EVs. 


https://premium.goauto.com.au/ev-fires-become-hot-issue/

While spontaneous fire is a serious concern with LI batteries, I don't think it will change the direction of the automotive industry, which is toward EVs. They will just have to invest heavily in new battery tech like solid state and hydrogen. Around town, I'd rather drive an EV, but emergency services and the military would be foolish to think EVs are practical in their fields.

Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:

THE fire aboard the car carrier Felicity Ace in the Atlantic last week has once more focussed all the stakeholders in the auto shipping industry on the issue of what to do about EVs that spontaneously combust while being transported at sea. The cars on the ship burned with such intensity that parts of the hull above the waterline melted. All 4000 Volkswagen Group cars destined for the US market have been destroyed. The ship is a write-off and there is considerable downstream damage in terms of lost sales for both VW Group and its dealers. In addition to VWs, the cargo included 189 Bentleys and 1100 Porsches as well as Audis. While it has yet to be established what started the fire, what kept it burning were an estimated 1000 EVs with lithium-ion batteries based on the fact that 25 per cent of VW production is now dedicated to EVs.  https://premium.goauto.com.au/ev-fires-become-hot-issue/

Good find:

A Greek ferry taking passengers and cars to Italy caught fire last week with 11 of the 290 people on board losing their lives.

While there is no indication if an EV started the fire (the company said the fire started in the vehicle hold) the fact that more and more EVs are going to find their way aboard these ferries as EV sales increase, is raising a red flag on public safety as well as the safety of ships at sea.

Tesla malfunctions on highway, stops, starts smoking, and explodes roughly 16 times.
EVs are bombs waiting to go off.   


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/134/530/638/playable/338ae3562334c34f.mp4

Those lithium iron batteries are dangerous. They are like ammunition. And you can't use water to put out the fire because that just makes it worse :(

They should have perfected Nickel Metal Hydride technology used in the original EV's now they have ticking time bombs everywhere ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

Those lithium iron batteries are dangerous. They are like ammunition. And you can't use water to put out the fire because that just makes it worse :( They should have perfected Nickel Metal Hydride technology used in the original EV's now they have ticking time bombs everywhere ;)

I'm not gunna get one.
They are death traps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bZu1YN2CY

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bZu1YN2CY

Another issue seldom discussed is the fact that the batteries in
these EVs can sometimes spontaneously catch fire hours later
after the initial thermal runaway has been extinguished. 

Still-active cells can cause this.

I've had three E-bikes which use multiple 18560 cells, and never
had any issues.  It's important with domestic batteries to ascertain
the manufacturer of the cells.  I'm currently using Samsung cells,
but there are far too many cheap and nasty, unsafe, knockoff cells
coming into Australia.   Caveat emptor.

A Tesla battery currently (pun?) contains around 7,100 of these
18650 cells.   My bike batteries have around 36.

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 3:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:15pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bZu1YN2CY Another issue seldom discussed is the fact that the batteries in these EVs can sometimes spontaneously catch fire hours later after the initial thermal runaway has been extinguished.  Still-active cells can cause this. I've had three E-bikes which use multiple 18560 cells, and never had any issues.  It's important with domestic batteries to ascertain the manufacturer of the cells.  I'm currently using Samsung cells, but there are far too many cheap and nasty, unsafe, knockoff cells coming into Australia.   Caveat emptor. A Tesla battery currently (pun?) contains around 7,100 of these 18650 cells.   My bike batteries have around 36.

Did you see this video?


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/134/530/638/playable/338ae3562334c34f.mp4

Where I work, we were developing an EV troop carrier.
I did some investigation as part of the risk assessment involved in manufacturing these things.
Turns out that even a discharged battery bank carries enough charge to kill a man with ease.
Fully charged, he is dead meat.

The procdures involved in;
Manufacturing the battery banks
Installing the battery bank's
Removing the battery banks
Reparing the unit after damage.
Even simple servicing, require so many safety protocols that it's like playing with dynamite.

The elephant in the room is who will repair, service or even install additional equipment in these time bombs?
I forsee many apprentices being killed before they grubberment gets its act together.

I still can't see any positives in these toys.

Valkie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Where I work, we were developing an EV troop carrier. I did some investigation as part of the risk assessment involved in manufacturing these things. Turns out that even a discharged battery bank carries enough charge to kill a man with ease. Fully charged, he is dead meat. The procdures involved in; Manufacturing the battery banks Installing the battery bank's Removing the battery banks Reparing the unit after damage. Even simple servicing, require so many safety protocols that it's like playing with dynamite. The elephant in the room is who will repair, service or even install additional equipment in these time bombs? I forsee many apprentices being killed before they grubberment gets its act together. I still can't see any positives in these toys.

Yet in many places they will be forced on to the public - go figure?

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from
the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB)  has shown that EVs
are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.

The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in
various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these
were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles.

Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just
0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs.  [As of February this year,
there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.]

In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in
2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing
0.08% of the fossil car fleet.

This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around
20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle.

—Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.



     Petrol or diesel engines catching fire
     can be just as deadly as EV batteries:

     https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/fires.gif

Batteries will get safer too as well as more efficient.

Runaway 500 EV meltdown on cargo ship:

Proof our cities aren't ready for full EV deployment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ9-mW-cmdE


- don't go near an EV fire with all the toxic smoke  -  Cobalt  etc

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB)  has shown that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars. The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles. Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just 0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs.  [As of February this year, there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.] In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in 2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing 0.08% of the fossil car fleet. This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around 20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle. —Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.      Petrol or diesel engines catching fire      can be just as deadly as EV batteries:      https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/fires.gif

but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 4th, 2023 at 10:49pm: Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB)  has shown that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars. The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles. Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just 0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs.  [As of February this year, there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.] In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in 2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing 0.08% of the fossil car fleet. This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around 20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle. —Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.      Petrol or diesel engines catching fire      can be just as deadly as EV batteries:      https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/fires.gif but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 9:11am: but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !! I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard.

I doubt it - they are intrinsically unsafe.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 11:10am: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 9:11am: but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !! I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard. I doubt it - they are intrinsically unsafe.

They said that about the horseless carriage. The search is for a non-flammable electrolite, and they'll find it.

Yes.   Lithium burns under water.  The cells
are also subject to thermal runaway, as shown
in this Paris electric bus fire:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM&ab_channel=VIXX

There's no way anybody could've extinguished
this fire without a foam surround and drown attack.

E-Bike explosion. T.O.B ebike burst into flame in first 3 miles.
Beware of Mike Moser ebikes


Jump to 9:04


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxr1iXEf9lY

Chinese E-Bikes are Exploding like Crazy -

Self Destructing Spectacularly


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNCii-OTqw

Quote:

Electric vehicles catch fire after being exposed to saltwater from Hurricane Idalia “Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground,” the Palm Beach fire department wrote in a Facebook post. Two electric vehicles in Palm Beach, Florida caught fire after being exposed to saltwater from Hurricane Idalia, according to reports. Officials from the fire department said that both cars were Teslas and stated that the rechargeable car batteries might combust if exposed to saltwater. “If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay,” the department wrote in a Facebook post. “Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground.” The warning also extended to other vehicles with lithium-ion batteries such as electric golf carts, scooters and bicycles.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/electric-vehicles-catch-fire-after-being-exposed-saltwater-hurricane

Don't park your EV near the beach. Salt spray can be very fine, just look at some cars and you can see the salt.

China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities
A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles.

Not another massive battery fire?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146


Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five cars


By Maryanne Taouk
Posted 14h ago

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/09/12/07/75322779-12507659-image-m-14_1694500117083.jpg



Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night.


Key points:

    A detached EV battery has been confirmed as the source of the fire
    Fire and rescue crews attended the scene under the control tower at Sydney Airport
    Authorities have monitored the battery overnight in case of a spark-up

Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.

Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm.

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

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EV cars?

It only takes 1 in say 300 batteries to fail and the whole lot will go up in smoke -
each little battery is like a grenade -
and water won't put the fire out -
water reacts with Lithium to make Hydrogen and the fire gets worse.
The technology is too new -
they need sensors on every battery to detect any fault and shut it down -
but they only have maybe one sensor to cover 300 batteries
so the system doesn't know if there's a crook battery
and keeps on charging it until it catches fire.

Stuff electric cars - I don't want one.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/09/14/green-inferno-tesla-bursts-in-flames-on-busy-australian-highway/


Green Inferno: Tesla Bursts in Flames on Busy Australian Highway


14 Sep 2023
2:25



https://media.breitbart.com/media/2023/09/Australian-tesla-fire-640x480.jpg




A Tesla burst into flames on a busy highway on Monday in the Southern Highlands region of Australia, sending firefighters on a difficult mission to battle the blaze. The fire started after the electric vehicle built by Elon Musk’s company hit debris that fell off another vehicle.

The Tesla Model 3, which costs upwards of $60,000, likely caught on fire due to a lithium battery that was damaged after a piece of debris fell from a truck onto the battery shell, according to a report by Daily Mail.

Both the driver and passenger of the Tesla were thankfully able to safely escape the electric vehicle that soon turning into a battery-fueled inferno on the side of the Hume Highway, about two hours southwest of Sydney, Australia.

Weight of electric vehicles is becoming a safety threat – report
Electric pick-ups and SUVs – which weigh up to twice as much as their petrol or diesel equivalents – are an increasing safety threat to other vehicles on the road, says a leading authority in the US.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/heavier-new-electric-vehicles-are-a-growing-safety-threat-us-report/

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I would not buy an EV, although I once thought I might. Comparitive statistics are misleading. There are many old ICE vehicles that catch fire. Most EV fires are newish. Charging at home in a garage could be dangerous to the house. An ICE vehicle in the garage is pretty safe.

The numbers of EVs will eventually produce a kind of threshold where enough fires capture public attention. You can bet the EV industry is worried. I still like the idea of EVs for a number of reasons, but they just have to come up with a non-flammable chemistry.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le6KNI9YsH0&ab_channel=%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%A6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BDe

Imagine if you will this happening on a car ferry, in a
building basement car park, or in your own garage
next to your home.  What you're seeing here is two
classic cases of thermal runaway—which at this point
makes it virtually impossible to extinguish the flames. 
No home-style fire extinguisher would be of the
slightest use in this scenario.

The only way to control this electrical fire is with a
surround and drown foam attack by the fire brigade.
Who'll in all likelihood let the vehicle burn to the
ground and just protect the exposures.

Three vehicles destroyed by only one of these little
cells self-destructing—not much bigger than an AA.

          https://i.postimg.cc/pT03tdkw/Screenshot-2023-09-26-at-07-00-02-electronicdesign-23785-zollo-18650-promo-png-AVIF-Image-1200-63.png

—Scary stuff, and one of the prime reasons I'd never    
   park an EV near my home.

This guy's videos are just a little too enthusiastic for EVs "Entire automotive industry?" For starters, the military is not going electric, but this video has some interesting details about new battery chemistry from NASA. I don't know where he gets NAH SA. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tr3OFOD5A0

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issuevoter wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 7:27am:

This guy's videos are just a little too enthusiastic for EVs "Entire automotive industry?" For starters, the military is not going electric, but this video has some interesting details about new battery chemistry from NASA. I don't know where he gets NAH SA. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.

His name's Samuel Evans, and I agree: it was really
irritating to hear him mispronounce NASA so many times.
[url]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/nasa[/url]

He only has a Bachelor of Arts (BA), so I don't really
think he has any appropriate technical qualifications in
order to talk competently about electric vehicles and/or
battery technologies.  After all, his main employment
is as a marketer. (!)

He doesn't know any more about this stuff than you or me
... and professor Google LOL.

Electric vehicles are playing with fire in car parks and on our streets.


3,765 views  Oct 1, 2023

Electric vehicles are spontaneously combusting so often that one Norwegian shipping company has banned them from its ferries.

Houses are also being destroyed, and people are dying.

Has Energy Minister Chris Bowen, who is the architect of Australia's policy to prioritise sales of EVs, ever mentioned a word of the lethal dangers of these cars?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlNbuGhn8h0

Massive fire started by batteries:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/eastern-golf-course-clubhouse-destroyed-in-ferocious-blaze-northeast-of-melbourne-in-yering/72f363b7-376c-415e-8bc5-860415e119b1


Golf clubhouse destroyed in ferocious blaze in Victoria's Yarra Valley


By Serena Seyfort • Afternoon Editor
5:59pm Oct 16, 2023


A large golf clubhouse has been destroyed in a ferocious blaze in Victoria's Yarra Valley.
The 180-square-metre building at Eastern Golf Club on Victoria Road in Yering, about 38km north-east of Melbourne's CBD, has been gutted by a fire that broke out about 1.43pm.
The fire started in a storage room,
where electric buggies and batteries are kept,
according to the club's management.


It quickly spread and burnt out the multimillion-dollar building's pro shop, offices lounge and function and dining rooms, helped by 45km/h winds in the area.
Firefighters from the surrounding area rushed to the scene, bringing 11 units, as did paramedics, police and the club's power and gas providers.
Meanwhile, the building was successfully evacuated, with the club's staff and members forced to watch on as the building burnt.
The entire structure was already fully engulfed in flames by the time firefighters arrived.

Clubhouse destroyed by massive fire at Eastern Golf Club | 7 News Australia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb28p8feV7o

"Electric cars are the future for daily mobility and above all they do not pollute."


Most amazing video showing violent battery explosions:

https://www.facebook.com/fausto.pili3/videos/1565264330546438/

Dangerous experiments - one showing batteries.
Do not try any of these:


https://www.facebook.com/NileRed2/videos/595654275878966/

For general types of transport, especially in urban areas, I can see EVs becoming the norm in the future, but they have to come up with safer battery chemistries. And I would not go back to a petrol lawn mower in a fit. The noise and the smell are dreadful and the maintainance is a pain in the arse.

Tesla Rolls Into the water and Catches Fire.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zaV-JSwzzA

Lithium + H₂O = instant, violent combustion.

Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap.

And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive
amounts of pollutants spread through the water by
changing currents.

    >:(    >:(    >:(

Ford and GM have halted EV production.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:17am:

Lithium + H2O = instant, violent combustion. Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap. And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive amounts of pollutants spread through the water by changing currents.     >:(    >:(    >:(

We've all seen it before -

something sounds like such a great idea but it isn't.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:23am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1st, 2023 at 6:17am: Lithium + H2O = instant, violent combustion. Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap. And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive amounts of pollutants spread through the water by changing currents.     >:(    >:(    >:( We've all seen it before - something sounds like such a great idea but it isn't.

Agreed.  One of the major issues that's been hushed
up by the EV industry (and Musk) is the disposal and/or
reclaiming and/or rebuilding of these batteries, which
are claimed to have a lifetime of only eight years or
160,000km.
[Stephen Corby, CarsGuide.com.au, 22 March 2022.]

Which, here in Australia, means that nearly every EV
battery will need replacing at least once.  And at what
cost to the owner?

Well, at a very high (impractical?) price...

US Recurrent magazine stated in a March 2023 report
that pricing to replace the onboard battery system can
range anywhere from AU$202/kWh for a Nissan Leaf
to as much as AU$266/kWh for the Tesla Model 3.

This means total replacement cost for a Tesla Model 3,
including labour, could be as high as AU$22,188, or
roughly one-third of the car’s total value.

So... what will the current(!) owners of EVs do at the
end-life of their batteries?  Sell the car with only 160K
on the clock, or replace the battery after 8 years?

Footnote:  The average age of cars in Australia is 11.7 years,
according to the (ABS) Australian Bureau of Statistics in March
this year.

Honda has halted EV production.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Honda has halted EV production.

They did too:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/honda-cancels-plan-for-cheap-electric-vehicles-ending-collaboration-with-gm/


Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM
The platform was to use GM's Ultium batteries.

Jonathan M. Gitlin - 10/26/2023, 2:25 AM

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Tesla is now upgrading its battery pack using
46800 (46ø x 80mm) cells...

     https://i.postimg.cc/Hn0S8dzx/Screenshot-2023-11-27-at-06-21-25-Type-and-chemical-composition-of-lithium-ion-batteries-used-in-Tes.png



And/or LFP prismatic cells (280 x 62 x 63mm)...

     https://i.postimg.cc/9XN0sZYL/Screenshot-2023-11-27-at-06-25-58-Type-and-chemical-composition-of-lithium-ion-batteries-used-in-Tes.png

The 46800s make for a more economical installation
as they mount directly into the Tesla's floor pan, with
no need for a separate carrier.

And the LFPs are a safer cell than any previously
designed and manufactured cell, but at a higher cost
and with lower energy density.

   Everything's a trade off with EVs —cost v. safety.   

Bobby's cartoon is actually conservative.    Yikes!

In April this year, the total replacement cost for a
Tesla Model 3, including labour, was $22,188.

Dangerous and no good for the environment:


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/158/284/743/original/0cc8ef99e656865a.jpeg

Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters,

Close to 100 BYD Autos Spontaneously Combust


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8



1,665,420 views  Jan 4, 2024


In the video, a white color new energy vehicle that was charging suddenly exploded.
It generated a powerful shockwave that sent the car vertically soaring.
It appears that the car was propelled to 3 to 5 meters.
In slow-motion footage, it can be observed that parts resembling car doors
were also propelled by the shockwave as the car shot upwards.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Tesla Rolls Into the water and Catches Fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zaV-JSwzzA

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Video of electric scooter going up in flames.

Would you try to put it out or run away?

https://twitter.com/expensiveaccide/status/1765318550007459973

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 9:15pm:

Video of electric scooter going up in flames. Would you try to put it out or run away? https://twitter.com/expensiveaccide/status/1765318550007459973

That's scary.
Batteries are too dangerous.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 3:16pm:

Sudden EV Explosion.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8

Very dramatic, but not real as reported.  It's a movie setup.

Li-ion batteries don't result in an instantaneous explosive force like that.
Thermal runaway is a relatively slow progressive process—all the cells
in the battery don't suddenly ignite at the same time.

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 1:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:16pm: Sudden EV Explosion.. Very dramatic, but not real as reported.  It's a movie setup. Li-ion batteries don't result in an instantaneous explosive force like that. Thermal runaway is a relatively slow progressive process—all the cells in the battery don't suddenly ignite at the same time.

I can't find any evidence to back up your claim.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 6:24am:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 1:21am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:16pm: Sudden EV Explosion.. Very dramatic, but not real as reported.  It's a movie setup. Li-ion batteries don't result in an instantaneous explosive force like that. Thermal runaway is a relatively slow progressive process—all the cells in the battery don't suddenly ignite at the same time. I can't find any evidence to back up your claim.

Which means simply that you don't understand the mechanics
of Li-ion cells thermal runaway. 

They don't "explode" instantaneously like a stick of dynamite.

Watch this video for a typical (and genuine!) EV fire:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIdMkwKLp4

The 18650 3.7V cells that power most EVs are exactly identical to
the ones that power your laptop, electric bike or scooter, torches,
or cordless power tools.

I blame Moslems.
Strange though, they usually use white vans.

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 1:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:16pm: Sudden EV Explosion.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8 Very dramatic, but not real as reported.  It's a movie setup. Li-ion batteries don't result in an instantaneous explosive force like that. Thermal runaway is a relatively slow progressive process—all the cells in the battery don't suddenly ignite at the same time.

This whole Electric Vehicle gimmick is a dead end.
You don't see NASA using this path for its Probes.

I've always said : Atomic is the way to go!

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 19^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 6:24am: AusGeoff wrote on Mar 19th, 2024 at 1:21am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 18th, 2024 at 3:16pm: Sudden EV Explosion.. Very dramatic, but not real as reported.  It's a movie setup. Li-ion batteries don't result in an instantaneous explosive force like that. Thermal runaway is a relatively slow progressive process—all the cells in the battery don't suddenly ignite at the same time. I can't find any evidence to back up your claim. Which means simply that you don't understand the mechanics of Li-ion cells thermal runaway.  They don't "explode" instantaneously like a stick of dynamite. Watch this video for a typical (and genuine!) EV fire:      The 18650 3.7V cells that power most EVs are exactly identical to the ones that power your laptop, electric bike or scooter, torches, or cordless power tools.

You do have a point.
each little cell blows up one at a time so I don't see how
the car can be lifted up many meters into the air.   :-/

Jasin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 4:06am:

I blame Moslems. Strange though, they usually use white vans.

Not the Jews?
Don't they normally get blamed for everything?

There are four major failure mechanisms of LI-ion cells:

Overcharging, forced discharge, mechanical deformation,
and external thermal heating.

So you can be pretty sure that your mobile phone ain't gonna
explode in your pocket and instantly fry your genitals LOL.

Some of these videos by Bobbie are evidently fake because how could a person with a phone capture an EV exploding and being propelled 5 metres vertically if they did not know it was going to happen?

Other incidents are similar. The person capturing the video must have known the incident being videoed was about to happen.

I wonder how many of these bogus videos are funded and propagated by Tesla.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 9:29am:

Some of these videos by Bobbie are evidently fake because how could a person with a phone capture an EV exploding and being propelled 5 metres vertically if they did not know it was going to happen? Other incidents are similar. The person capturing the video must have known the incident being videoed was about to happen. I wonder how many of these bogus videos are funded and propagated by Tesla.

Who knows?

Not all of the videos in that clip were bullshit.    ::)

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 20^th, 2024 at 7:26am:

There are four major failure mechanisms of LI-ion cells: Overcharging, forced discharge, mechanical deformation, and external thermal heating. So you can be pretty sure that your mobile phone ain't gonna explode in your pocket and instantly fry your genitals LOL.

And not all lithium ion batteries are created equal. ;)

https://expion360.com/blogs/news/comparing-pricey-lithium-batteries-to-cheaper-ones-how-to-differentiate-quality

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/406/149/original/f09ab51b9c3554a7.gif

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3rd, 2022 at 9:48pm: Looks pretty lame compared to a petrol fire. Even the bottles of clag glue we used in primary school could put on more of a show. I'm sorry that those videos failed to impress you.

Don't get the batteries anywhere near water, Bobby.

If you do you'll end up being eaten by a shark.

https://youtu.be/vL3UmTInva8

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:26pm:

Don't get the batteries anywhere near water, Bobby. If you do you'll end up being eaten by a shark. https://youtu.be/vL3UmTInva8

;D ;D ;D

What on earth is he going on about now?

Oh, boy... if this clown becomes President of the United States again the world is doomed.

Doomed, I tell you.

I believe the first comment for that video says it all:


Quote:

@steven0837 17 hours ago (edited) I think I just got stupider after hearing him . . .

Me too, Steven... me too.

Carl D wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11th, 2024 at 6:26pm: Don't get the batteries anywhere near water, Bobby. If you do you'll end up being eaten by a shark. https://youtu.be/vL3UmTInva8 ;D ;D ;D What on earth is he going on about now?

He's completely lost it.  Lost his last marble.

First, he told us that magnets lose their magnetism when they get wet, and now he believes that if a battery goes under water, and you're in the water with it, you'll be electrocuted or eaten by a shark.

He is totally insane.

(Also a convicted felon and a filthy rapist)

Greggy - you're off topic.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/162/406/149/original/f09ab51b9c3554a7.gif

Bobby. wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

Greggy - you're off topic.

No, I'm not.

Convicted felon (and filthy rapist) Donald Trump is talking about EV batteries (in the case the vehicle is a boat), and how dangerous they are.

He says if they get wet you will be electrocuted or eaten by a shark.

https://youtu.be/vL3UmTInva8

The title of this thread is "EV batteries are dangerous".

I couldn't be more on topic if I tried.

Greggy - that was hypothetical nonsense - just an aside by
a character you're obsessed with due to TDR.

This thread is for actual evidence and preferably videos.

lol.  ;D

(Sorry Bobby - I couldn't resist).

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Carl D wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

lol.  ;D (Sorry Bobby - I couldn't resist).

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Greggy - that was hypothetical nonsense - just an aside by a character you're obsessed with due to TDR. This thread is for actual evidence and preferably videos.

Are you suggesting that Donald Trump - the convicted felon and filthy rapist - is lying?


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/81my0m.jpg

Those are some strong words to live by.

I wonder if Trump has this idea that Americans are going to start Dukes of Hazzard jumping their electric vehicles into shark-infested waters.

Marla wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 6:53am:

Those are some strong words to live by.

Lol   ;D

They'll put it on his gravestone (soon?).

Lithium batteries catch fire in a scooter:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1576226442927250

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 1:18pm:

Lithium batteries catch fire in a scooter: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1576226442927250

Donald Trump's batteries are flat.

IT HAPPENED: One defective lithium-ion battery cell just killed 22 people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhvEdqzPXE

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 1:25pm:

IT HAPPENED: One defective lithium-ion battery cell just killed 22 people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhvEdqzPXE

Why didn't they choose getting eaten by a shark instead?

Greggy,
this is a serious thread -
please take your silly puerile humor elsewhere.

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 1:49pm:

Greggy, this is a serious thread - please take your silly puerile humor elsewhere. forgiven namaste

If a battery gets wet you can choose to be eaten by a shark instead of being electrocuted.

Or did Trump lie?

Lithium batteries catch fire in a scooter:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1576226442927250




IT HAPPENED: One defective lithium-ion battery cell just killed 22 people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhvEdqzPXE

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 1:54pm:

Lithium batteries catch fire in a scooter: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1576226442927250 IT HAPPENED: One defective lithium-ion battery cell just killed 22 people.

Why didn't the shark save them?

Or don't sharks work if they get wet?

Oh now I see this thread about EV batteries etc.,
I was writing about it in travel… as in I’d rather travel with 2 draught horses pulling a car shell than buy an EV.
Yet in that vid Bobby put up it says only 2 breaths in 15 seconds of that EV smoke and we will be unconscious. So in an enclosed car park…  :-/ I’m going to park outside in the rain or searing heat from now on!

Musk just released a new battery technology: solid state batteries.

These are much safer than lithium ion and also don’t degrade nearly as fast as lithium ion.

Makes adding a battery to a solar panel installation much easier, cheaper and the battery lasts much longer and won’t catch fire.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1735940427/0#0

"Another battery developer, however, Tailan New Energy, just announced that it has crafted a solid-state battery with the highest energy density among existing ternary lithium batteries.

Tailan's solid-state battery has double the energy density of NIO's 150 kWh pack and would be good for more than 1200 miles of range on a single charge.

While solid-state batteries are usually cited along with the 500 Wh/kg mark, the record 720 Wh/kg energy density of the new battery has been achieved with several technological breakthroughs.

"The all-solid-state lithium battery released uses a high-gram capacity, long-cycle lithium-rich manganese-based material for the positive electrode," tips Tailan, and adds that "in order to solve the solid-solid interface impedance problem... it is also equipped with Tailan New Energy’s unique high-performance oxide composite solid-state electrolyte." "

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Solid-state-battery-with-record-energy-density-uses-Elon-Musk-s-manganese-for-1200-miles-of-EV-range.822139.0.html

Still a lithium battery. Safer but not safe?

Safe.

Poor lees, said no breakthroughs in batteries was possible.

2000 miles between recharges lees.

hardly any drop in performance even after many power cycles lees.

bulk safer than lithium battery or gasoline/diesel vehicles lees.

Water doesn't put out Lithium fires.

It's used to cool battery down to stop thermal runaway which causes the fire.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 1:17pm:

Poor lees, said no breakthroughs in batteries was possible.

Again with misinformation. Why do you lie? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 1:17pm:

bulk safer than lithium battery or gasoline/diesel vehicles lees.

The evidence for that is very scant at the moment.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So Musk claims one charge 2,000 miles? Any proof of it? Toyota in December reported 745miles and eventually 932miles.

Please don't rely on Musk's over the top predictions. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 1:10pm:

"Another battery developer, however, Tailan New Energy, just announced that it has crafted a solid-state battery with the highest energy density among existing ternary lithium batteries. Tailan's solid-state battery has double the energy density of NIO's 150 kWh pack and would be good for more than 1200 miles of range on a single charge. While solid-state batteries are usually cited along with the 500 Wh/kg mark, the record 720 Wh/kg energy density of the new battery has been achieved with several technological breakthroughs. "The all-solid-state lithium battery released uses a high-gram capacity, long-cycle lithium-rich manganese-based material for the positive electrode," tips Tailan, and adds that "in order to solve the solid-solid interface impedance problem... it is also equipped with Tailan New Energy’s unique high-performance oxide composite solid-state electrolyte." " https://www.notebookcheck.net/Solid-state-battery-with-record-energy-density-uses-Elon-Musk-s-manganese-for-1200-miles-of-EV-range.822139.0.html Still a lithium battery. Safer but not safe?

Maybe but where is the electricity coming from to charge them?

A charger?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 5:22pm:

A charger?

Our electricity grid is struggling without EVs.     ::)

A lot of houses have solar panels.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

A lot of houses have solar panels.

Not much good if your car is at your workplace all day.    ::)

Increasing numbers of car parks have them too: gives shade + power.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 7:55pm:

Increasing numbers of car parks have them too: gives shade + power.

Indeed.

Plus, the EV can be charged at home (during the day) on the weekend.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

A lot of houses have solar panels.

Solar panels only work during the day dickhead.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 7:55pm: Increasing numbers of car parks have them too: gives shade + power. Indeed. Plus, the EV can be charged at home (during the day) on the weekend.

That's if you plan to stay home all weekend.  ::)

Or add a battery to the panels—soon be cheaper as well as massively safer.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

Or add a battery to the panels—soon be cheaper as well as massively safer.

Ah Moore's Law is expected, but is not guaranteed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 7:55pm: Increasing numbers of car parks have them too: gives shade + power. Indeed. Plus, the EV can be charged at home (during the day) on the weekend.

Not if you're down at the beach on the weekend or out doing something.    ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:05pm:

Plus, the EV can be charged at home (during the day) on the weekend.

Yep. Just drive your ICE vehicle. ;)

It only takes one tiny 3.7V cell to leak in a Tesla's 7,000 cell
battery to overheat, and a thermal runaway is the result.
And that tiny cell is only around the size of my dick on a
warm day.

It's not just the dangerous batteries it's the design of the doors:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14069607/friends-burned-death-trapped-inside-tesla-electronic-doors-failed.html

Terrified friends burned to death 'trapped inside crashed Tesla after its electronic doors failed'


By BRITTANY CHAIN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

Published: 07:18 AEDT, 12 November 2024

Four friends died in a burning Tesla
after a crash broke the car's electronic door handles, it is claimed.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/11/11/20/91949527-14069607-image-a-72_1731355488631.jpg

 

A woman in her 20s was the only survivor of the fiery October 24 crash after Rick Harper, a heroic Canada Post employee, smashed the window of the blazing Model Y with a metal pole.

Four of her friends, identified as 25-year-old Neelraj Gohil,
his sister Ketaba Gohil, 29, Jay Sisodiya and Digvijay Patel all died in the tragedy.

Harper has since told the Toronto Star that the surviving woman 'couldn't open the doors' from the inside of the wreck.

Teslas have a button which the car's driver and passenger push to open a door, instead of a handle. But if the power fails after a crash, the doors can become stuck and won't open.


There is a manual override button in Tesla cars but experts say the feature is not widely publicized.

It directs crash victims to pull away a panel in the door and then tug at a cable underneath, which will open the doors.

Safety watchdogs have also highlighted that crash victims may be too panicked or dazed to search for the feature after an accident.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 7:31pm:

Teslas have a button which the car's driver and passenger push to open a door, instead of a handle. But if the power fails after a crash, the doors can become stuck and won't open.

Hard to imagine how that's even legal.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:31pm: Teslas have a button which the car's driver and passenger push to open a door, instead of a handle. But if the power fails after a crash, the doors can become stuck and won't open. Hard to imagine how that's even legal.

How would it pass our Australian safety design standards?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2025 at 7:31pm: Teslas have a button which the car's driver and passenger push to open a door, instead of a handle. But if the power fails after a crash, the doors can become stuck and won't open. Hard to imagine how that's even legal. How would it pass our Australian safety design standards?

There is a manual override button in Tesla cars but experts say the feature is not widely publicized.

It directs crash victims to pull away a panel in the door and then tug at a cable underneath, which will open the doors

Leroy wrote on Mar 16^th, 2025 at 7:51pm:

It directs crash victims to pull away a panel in the door and then tug at a cable underneath, which will open the doors

which is ridiculous. Most people have seconds to react after a crash and they're often in shock... they don't have time to pull out the instruction manual and learn how to open the doors, nor would they be likely to be in any frame of mind to do so when the car is burning up around them.

Yeah, stupid to not have an obvious manual door opener.

Monk and Smith escape a car crash head first through the windscreen. All good, the metal plates in their foreheads protect them from impact.

Even ordinary cars can catch fire:



https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/26/us/bmw-fire-recall

BMW tells nearly 200,000 vehicle owners to park outside because
their cars could short circuit and catch fire


By Nic F. Anderson

12 hr ago



Owners of nearly 200,000 BMWs should not park in the garage because the vehicles could short circuit and catch fire, according to a recall notice.

The fire risk is related to a problem with the engine starter, which can affect cars that are both parked and in motion, according to a notice from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

“Owners are advised to park their vehicles outside and away from structures until the remedy is complete,” NHTSA said in the “fire risk warning.”

BMW studied 10 vehicles that caught fire, prompting this recall, however they reported no injuries or accidents.

Approximately 196,355 BMW vehicles, mostly manufactured between 2019 and 2022, are being recalled because “the engine starter relay may corrode, causing the relay to overheat and short circuit,” NHTSA said in a news release.

The recall also includes approximately 1,469 Toyota Supra vehicles that are manufactured by the German luxury brand, NHTSA said.

BMW dealers will replace the starter free of charge, however the recall will take place in phases due to availability of parts, according to NHTSA. Interim letters are scheduled to be mailed to owners on November 14. A second letter will detail when replacement parts are available.

The recalled models are:
2019-2022 BMW Z4
2019-2021 BMW 330i
2020-2022 BMW X3
2020-2022 BMW X4
2020-2022 BMW 530i
2021-2022 BMW 430i standard and convertible
2022 BMW 230i
2020 - 2022 Toyota Supra

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2025 at 7:15pm:

Even ordinary cars can catch fire: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/26/us/bmw-fire-recall BMW tells nearly 200,000 vehicle owners to park outside because their cars could short circuit and catch fire By Nic F. Anderson 12 hr ago Owners of nearly 200,000 BMWs should not park in the garage because the vehicles could short circuit and catch fire, according to a recall notice. The fire risk is related to a problem with the engine starter, which can affect cars that are both parked and in motion, according to a notice from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. “Owners are advised to park their vehicles outside and away from structures until the remedy is complete,” NHTSA said in the “fire risk warning.” BMW studied 10 vehicles that caught fire, prompting this recall, however they reported no injuries or accidents. Approximately 196,355 BMW vehicles, mostly manufactured between 2019 and 2022, are being recalled because “the engine starter relay may corrode, causing the relay to overheat and short circuit,” NHTSA said in a news release. The recall also includes approximately 1,469 Toyota Supra vehicles that are manufactured by the German luxury brand, NHTSA said. BMW dealers will replace the starter free of charge, however the recall will take place in phases due to availability of parts, according to NHTSA. Interim letters are scheduled to be mailed to owners on November 14. A second letter will detail when replacement parts are available. The recalled models are: 2019-2022 BMW Z4 2019-2021 BMW 330i 2020-2022 BMW X3 2020-2022 BMW X4 2020-2022 BMW 530i 2021-2022 BMW 430i standard and convertible 2022 BMW 230i 2020 - 2022 Toyota Supra

I quote this to hubby as he’s an automotive mechanical technician and he shudders and says “I wouldn’t touch them. Modern cars are shyte”

I will stick to my old Soob and I’m not interested in a new car anytime soon. Besides, there’s enough dints from shopping car parks caused by others!  >:(  ::)
Besides, I do barely 10,000 kms per year driving.
Keep it regularly serviced, good Tyers, etc so I’m happy enough it takes me from A to B without needing a new car.
Speaking of which….there are holding yards chokers with a crap load of new cars … so many… and car yards full of vehicles to sell. And….all in white or grey colours. No more nice bright colours.
Lately we play “let’s see how many different coloured cars we can spot”  ;D

My Mazda is blue.

Not an EV but Lithium batteries left on charge -
the whole house burns down:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKBLififntQ