Why are they so special?

Life and Death in Pre-Contact Aboriginal Australia

When Europeans first settled in Australia in 1788, they encountered an Aboriginal society of almost incredible barbarism and violence. This was the reality of what they found. The reasons for the violence and barbarism of Aboriginal society derive entirely, or almost entirely, from one factor alone. All of the Aborigines of Australia were hunter-gatherers who had not domesticated livestock nor grown crops for food. As a result, the lives of the hundreds of small tribes that constituted Aboriginal society were engaged in a never-ending struggle to find what food they could from what little existed on this continent. Directly because of this central fact, it was absolutely necessary to keep the size of each tribe small enough for its members to be kept alive by what food and other sustenance they could find. It was therefore absolutely necessary for them to avoid adding any excess mouths to feed to the limited numbers who could be kept alive by the methods of hunter-gatherers in the Dry Continent. They did this by systematically eliminating the excess mouths.

Probably the most important method of eliminating these excess mouths was infanticide, as Ludwik Krzywicki detailed in his 1934 anthropological study Primitive Society and Its Vital Statistics.1 Deliberate infanticide existed throughout Aboriginal society, and it was practised by nearly all of the Aboriginal tribes in Australia. “Horrible tales were told about it. R. Oberlander was shown a woman who had murdered ten children.” Elderly women from the Dieri (Diyari) tribe admitted to South Australian mounted policeman Samuel Gason “of having disposed in this manner of two to four of their offspring: in this way, about 30% of new-born infants perished at the hands of their mothers in the Lake Eyre district”. Among the Narrinyeri (Ngarrindjeri) of the lower Murray district, “more than one half of the children fell victim to this atrocious custom”; the Congregationalist missionary George Taplin “knew several women who had murdered two or three of their new-born children”. Mounted policeman William Henry Willshire:

says of the parts of Central Australia known to him, that at least 60% of the women committed infanticide. He tells of one woman that she had five children, three of whom she murdered immediately after birth, and she explained in her broken English: “me bin keepem one boy and one girl, no good keepem mob, him to[o] much wantem tuckout!” Therefore the women of the bush daily murder their children and do not wish to raise more than two.2

The ostensible reasons for widespread infanticide varied. Victorian government surveyor Philip Chauncy saw a young woman, shortly after her child’s birth, scratch “a hole in the sand behind her hut and having given it a ‘little’ knock on the head, laid it in the hole and kept on crying, the child crying too, till she could bear it no longer, and she went out and gave it another little knock which killed it”. Asked by Chauncy how she could do such a thing, she “replied pointing to the bag on her back that there was room only for one child, and she could not possibly carry another”. When Albert Alexander Le Souef, son of the protector of Aborigines in the Goulburn district, asked a young woman “why she had dashed her infant’s brains out against a tree” she “replied coolly: ‘Oh! too much cry that fellow’”.3

Frail and malformed children were murdered, among other reasons, just because they were frail. A twin was killed (and sometimes both) because the mother could not suckle it … When a mother died while suckling a child, the infant was buried with her, and death often awaited the babe when its father, who as a hunter maintained the family, departed this life.4

Moreover, “sometimes an infant was murdered and cooked for its elder brother or sister to eat, in order to make him or her strong by feeding on the muscle of the baby”. Superstitions regarding twins often resulted in the murder of one or both. There were occasional cases of infants being killed to enable their mothers to suckle orphaned dingo pups instead.5

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2020/10/life-and-death-in-pre-contact-aboriginal-australia/

At base, the reasons for widespread infanticide were the product of the Aborigines’ ubiquitous hunter-gatherer lifestyle. “The natives are generally much attached to their children … and yet there is no doubt that infanticide prevailed to a fearful extent.”6 Krzywicki cites the reasons for this as

connected with the difficulty of bringing up a child in the conditions of native life in Australia, and namely: the long sucking of the child at its mother’s breast, and the necessity of carrying the child on her back for several years during the wanderings inseparable from a roving way of life.7

As Chauncy found, Aboriginal women “justifying themselves before the white men for the murders they had committed, pointed to the bag in which they carry their infants and said there was only room for one child in it”.8 In Central Australia a new-born infant was killed if its predecessor was eighteen months or less; in other places, the new infant was killed if the previously born child was unable to walk; in other places, if the elder child was not yet aged three or four.9

[If] we assume that [an Aboriginal] woman gave birth on an average to five children, then about 20% of the total number of children in these tribes would perish [through infanticide] immediately after birth … In other tribes … it was the custom to murder every child born over and above the three living ones. Here infanticide would dispose of about 40% of the new-born infants … But our percentages are even so very modest ones as compared with those of some observers. Some authorities even assert that 50% of the new-born children died a violent death immediately after birth.10

Some mortality figures may be inferred from these realities. If the Aboriginal population of Australia was 300,000 in 1788—some demographers, rightly or wrongly, put the figure far higher—and if the Aboriginal birth rate was about 4 per cent per annum, and if only 20 per cent of all new-born infants were killed, then this suggests that about 2500 infants were killed every year prior to European settlement, or 250,000 per century. In the estimated 40,000 years of Aboriginal habitation of Australia prior to 1788, it therefore follows that 100 million  Aboriginal infants were deliberately murdered.

But the reality gets even worse. It seems certainly to be the case that many Aboriginal children were deliberately killed to be eaten. The existence of this eating of children is testified by all too numerous facts. A swagman, Phil Moubray, relates that he found in the basin of the River Mitchell the Aborigines roasting and eating their own children:

When a child looks well, is “well-fed,” or “fat,” it may happen that one of the men, or even the whole community, murders it for cannibalistic purposes in the absence of its mother … We do not think that such cannibalism was common, though there are many references to it … It was only in periods of drought and famine that child-eating assumed large proportions … In hard summers the new-born children seem to be all eaten in the Kaura tribe. [Explorer Alfred William] Howitt inferred this from the remarkable gaps that appeared in the ages of the children … [I]n the Birria tribe during the years 1876-77, in the drought, not only were all the infants devoured, but even the younger grown children. However, in some tribes this practice appeared, even in a normal period, not to be so very rare. At least, if the gossip that circulated among the tribes were to be believed, cannibalism was even more extensive than we suppose. For instance, one tribe relates of another that it marks at birth those infants which are to be eaten later on; again the children of some women were always killed and eaten as soon as they got fat enough. According to [doctor and squatter Richard] Machattie, a tribe numbering 250 when the Europeans came, during the next six years ate seven children, i.e., about 3% of the whole population.11

ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women:

According to [squatter Edward Micklethwaite] Curr, there was in every tribe when it first came into contact with the Whites “a permanent excess” of men over women, amounting to as much as two to one … [Squatter Peter] Beveridge, noting the preponderance of men over women, declares that this exists not because more boys were born than girls—the sexes equal each other at birth—but because the mortality among the women after the age of puberty is attained is far greater than among men: this is caused by many factors, the most important of which is early marriage (at eleven or twelve years of age) and the treatment of the wives by the men as if they were no more than cattle.12

Apart from infanticide and other factors occasioned by the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, another apparently important cause of death was tribal warfare. “Every tribe dreads a night attack from another tribe”.13

Amongst the whole of the tribes of Australia the cause not of fights, but of bloodshed, was, nine times out of ten, the belief that the deaths of persons, no matter from what apparent cause other than old age, was attributable to the spells and incantations of some of their enemies, their enemies including all Blacks not their intimate friends and neighbours … With the death of women and young children the Blacks generally did not concern themselves, but for every adult man who died from any cause save old age, a corresponding victim was anxiously desired … [This] systematized murder throughout the continent rendered the friendship of the tribes at large impossible, and was the great factor of savagery and degradation.14

That pre-literate societies were not the peaceful, idyllic Edens widely imagined today and depicted in the contemporary media, has been shown in many recent works by franker and more truthful anthropologists, such as Lawrence H. Keeley in his War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (1996). But “The Myth of the Noble Savage” is a powerful and persistent one, and the present tendency to whitewash and obfuscate the barbaric aspects of Aboriginal society—while depicting European settlement in Australia as genocidal—has only strengthened the force of this image.

A number of conclusions may be drawn from the facts presented here. First, pre-contact Aboriginal life resembled more closely than anything else Thomas Hobbes’s famous description of “life in the state of nature”: “brutal, nasty, and short”. No one in their senses would voluntarily choose to live in the lifestyle of pre-contact Aborigines. Any of our radicals who argues for its merits should be compelled to live in their manner: typically stark naked, with no buildings or more than primitive shelter, permanently foraging for whatever food could be found, illiterate, and, if ill, treated by a tribal witch doctor. Second, it is apparent that the Aborigines had no concept of human rights of any kind, only collective tribal survival, and no notion of any of the aspects of justice which we take for granted, from the presumption of innocence to the sanctity of human life, especially of children and other innocents. Finally, these concepts were brought to Australia, however imperfectly, by Europeans in 1788, but today our radicals are doing their best wholly to reverse the historical facts, branding the Aborigines as innocents and the Europeans as genocidal monsters. As always, it is up to the historian to, as von Ranke famously put it, set out “what actually happened”.

William D. Rubinstein taught at Deakin University and at the University of Wales, and now lives in Melbourne. He has often written for Quadrant.

The references in this article are taken from a remarkable anthropological study, Primitive Society and Its Vital Statistics (Macmillan, London, 1934) by Ludwik Krzywicki (1859–1941), who was Professor of Social History at Warsaw University. It should be said that while many will assume that he was a right-wing racist, the exact opposite was the case. He was a lifelong leftist who as a student was expelled from the Medical Faculty of Warsaw University for his radical activities. During the 1905 Russian Revolution (when Poland was part of Tsarist Russia) he was arrested by the Tsarist authorities for his radical views. He edited the newspaper of the Polish Socialist Party and was one of a group which translated Karl Marx’s Das Kapital into Polish. Krzywicki died in 1941 of injuries he received when his apartment in Warsaw was bombed by the Luftwaffe when Nazi Germany invaded Poland. Also on the topic of this article, see Geoffrey Blainey, The Story of Australia’s People: The Rise and Fall of Ancient Australia (2015) and my Genocide: A History (2004).
Krzywicki, p. 123. Each of these statements has a footnote reference, omitted here.
Ibid., pp. 123-4
Ibid., p. 124
Ibid., citing A.W. Howitt.
Ibid., p. 126, citing E. Stone Parker.
Ibid., pp. 126-7
Ibid., p. 130
Ibid., p. 132
Ibid., p. 137
Ibid., p. 140
Ibid., p. 242. On p. 134 we read that, according to Curr, Aboriginal women ‘had, on average, six children, though they only reared three (two boys and a girl), the others dying a violent death’.
Ibid., p. 115, citing J.T.H. Mitchell.
Ibid., citing J.T.H. Mitchell and E.M. Curr.

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:08am:

Why are they so special? Life and Death in Pre-Contact Aboriginal Australia When Europeans first settled in Australia in 1788, they encountered an Aboriginal society of almost incredible barbarism and violence. This was the reality of what they found. The reasons for the violence and barbarism of Aboriginal society derive entirely, or almost entirely, from one factor alone. All of the Aborigines of Australia were hunter-gatherers who had not domesticated livestock nor grown crops for food. As a result, the lives of the hundreds of small tribes that constituted Aboriginal society were engaged in a never-ending struggle to find what food they could from what little existed on this continent. Directly because of this central fact, it was absolutely necessary to keep the size of each tribe small enough for its members to be kept alive by what food and other sustenance they could find. It was therefore absolutely necessary for them to avoid adding any excess mouths to feed to the limited numbers who could be kept alive by the methods of hunter-gatherers in the Dry Continent. They did this by systematically eliminating the excess mouths. Probably the most important method of eliminating these excess mouths was infanticide, as Ludwik Krzywicki detailed in his 1934 anthropological study Primitive Society and Its Vital Statistics.1 Deliberate infanticide existed throughout Aboriginal society, and it was practised by nearly all of the Aboriginal tribes in Australia. “Horrible tales were told about it. R. Oberlander was shown a woman who had murdered ten children.” Elderly women from the Dieri (Diyari) tribe admitted to South Australian mounted policeman Samuel Gason “of having disposed in this manner of two to four of their offspring: in this way, about 30% of new-born infants perished at the hands of their mothers in the Lake Eyre district”. Among the Narrinyeri (Ngarrindjeri) of the lower Murray district, “more than one half of the children fell victim to this atrocious custom”; the Congregationalist missionary George Taplin “knew several women who had murdered two or three of their new-born children”. Mounted policeman William Henry Willshire: says of the parts of Central Australia known to him, that at least 60% of the women committed infanticide. He tells of one woman that she had five children, three of whom she murdered immediately after birth, and she explained in her broken English: “me bin keepem one boy and one girl, no good keepem mob, him to[o] much wantem tuckout!” Therefore the women of the bush daily murder their children and do not wish to raise more than two.2 The ostensible reasons for widespread infanticide varied. Victorian government surveyor Philip Chauncy saw a young woman, shortly after her child’s birth, scratch “a hole in the sand behind her hut and having given it a ‘little’ knock on the head, laid it in the hole and kept on crying, the child crying too, till she could bear it no longer, and she went out and gave it another little knock which killed it”. Asked by Chauncy how she could do such a thing, she “replied pointing to the bag on her back that there was room only for one child, and she could not possibly carry another”. When Albert Alexander Le Souef, son of the protector of Aborigines in the Goulburn district, asked a young woman “why she had dashed her infant’s brains out against a tree” she “replied coolly: ‘Oh! too much cry that fellow’”.3 Frail and malformed children were murdered, among other reasons, just because they were frail. A twin was killed (and sometimes both) because the mother could not suckle it … When a mother died while suckling a child, the infant was buried with her, and death often awaited the babe when its father, who as a hunter maintained the family, departed this life.4 Moreover, “sometimes an infant was murdered and cooked for its elder brother or sister to eat, in order to make him or her strong by feeding on the muscle of the baby”. Superstitions regarding twins often resulted in the murder of one or both. There were occasional cases of infants being killed to enable their mothers to suckle orphaned dingo pups instead.5 https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2020/10/life-and-death-in-pre-contact-aboriginal-australia/

Quadrant.  HAHAHAA!!!

Literally none of this is true, Nazi

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:09am:

ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women:

Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum

From my experience working for the health department in the NT I can tell you this culture of violence, rape and murder still exists today.

I am dismayed you just dismiss out of hand the historical accounts that from my experience I have seen with my own eyes much of what is recorded and described.

So in your expert opinion - what is not factual?

From my experience - it is all factual and still goes on

I describe you as dangerously ignorant.

That pre-literate societies were not the peaceful, idyllic Edens widely imagined today and depicted in the contemporary media, has been shown in many recent works by franker and more truthful anthropologists, such as Lawrence H. Keeley in his War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (1996). But “The Myth of the Noble Savage” is a powerful and persistent one, and the present tendency to whitewash and obfuscate the barbaric aspects of Aboriginal society—while depicting European settlement in Australia as genocidal—has only strengthened the force of this image.

A number of conclusions may be drawn from the facts presented here. First, pre-contact Aboriginal life resembled more closely than anything else Thomas Hobbes’s famous description of “life in the state of nature”: “brutal, nasty, and short”. No one in their senses would voluntarily choose to live in the lifestyle of pre-contact Aborigines. Any of our radicals who argues for its merits should be compelled to live in their manner: typically stark naked, with no buildings or more than primitive shelter, permanently foraging for whatever food could be found, illiterate, and, if ill, treated by a tribal witch doctor. Second, it is apparent that the Aborigines had no concept of human rights of any kind, only collective tribal survival, and no notion of any of the aspects of justice which we take for granted, from the presumption of innocence to the sanctity of human life, especially of children and other innocents. Finally, these concepts were brought to Australia, however imperfectly, by Europeans in 1788, but today our radicals are doing their best wholly to reverse the historical facts, branding the Aborigines as innocents and the Europeans as genocidal monsters. As always, it is up to the historian to, as von Ranke famously put it, set out “what actually happened”.

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:29am:

From my experience working for the health department in the NT I can tell you this culture of violence, rape and murder still exists today. I am dismayed you just dismiss out of hand the historical accounts that from my experience I have seen with my own eyes much of what is recorded and described. So in your expert opinion - what is not factual? From my experience - it is all factual and still goes on I describe you as dangerously ignorant.

Credible historical reports dispute every lie you're telling LOL!!

I worked in the health department and saw an aboriginal woman who was a victim of DV, ergo all Aboriginals are violent!!!

F&ck off

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:15am:

Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum

You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet.

Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite?

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:39am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:15am: Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet. Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite?

Was he your dad? LOL!!

Read Dark Emu

Dark Emu is all lies

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:49am:

Dark Emu is all lies https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/

Of course it is, Nazi.  Of course anything you don't like is a lie

You are a dangerous deluded fool

My brother was killed by the Nazis in WWII

I know what a Nazi is and the first weapon they use is propaganda to hide the truth - that is you not me

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 12:20pm:

You are a dangerous deluded fool My brother was killed by the Nazis in WWII I know what a Nazi is and the first weapon they use is propaganda to hide the truth - that is you not me

I expected you to be this old.  And to not see that agreeing with Nazi ideology makes you a Nazi

It is easy for us to judge and look at what people did in another era with our current level of technology and lifestyle.  However, we need to keep things into context.

The Aborigines had to live in a continent often with less resources, and low availability of health care - which was not well developed.   During those times, of course, infant mortality would be high.  As the author points out, the infanticide were carried out due to their hunter gatherer society structure.  They don’t do it, because they like to kill babies, they do it in order to survive. 

In contrast, infanticide is well published and studied in England.  And it is especially rife in Middle Ages all the way through to the dawn of industrial revolution.   It was practiced all the way from peasants unto royals.  And even though it was a felony, the courts and the general society treat it in with relatively casual, resulting in death of countless. 

So Boris, before you call others barbaric, have the same measure to yourself. 

Dark Emu is all BS

So there you have it - the ‘professors’ who rejected Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu manuscript were none other than some of Australia’s most qualified scholars on Indigenous Knowledge at the AIATSIS and its publishing arm, Aboriginal Studies Press. These professors are the curators and custodians of the world’s largest single repository of artifacts, writings, research reports, films and audio of the Australian Aboriginal peoples. But according to Bruce they are wrong and he is right - after all he bought a second-hand copy of the journal of Thomas Mitchell for 8 bucks that he says turned out to be some sort of Holy Book of Revelations on Aboriginal agriculture.

So we wondered what these professors actual said to Bruce about his Dark Emu manuscript?

Now, we all whinge and moan from time to time about how the public is kept in the dark by the government, its departments and the raft of statutory bodies that govern our lives, but in this great country of ours there is actually a hard-fought for right which us ‘little people’ can utilize to find out the truth. It does take a lot of effort and time and sometimes considerable expense, but there is actually a system that works - it is called FOI - Freedom of Information.

So one of our contributors, Mia (Note 1), lodged her application and surprise, surprise we got to the bottom of this story, a story in which Bruce Pascoe is confirmed as an excellent writer of fiction.

Mia’s FOI correspondence with the AIATSIS is shown below chronologically - and we have to admit that the disclosure that Mia was able to achieve shows the AIATSIS, and their publishing arm ASP, in a very good light. They did a very professional job when considering Pascoe’s manuscript. Now, financially is was a loss to them - Dark Emu with the free promotion of the ABC/SBS/NTIV media complex went on to achieve some of the biggest book sales ever seen in Australia. But the AIATSIS was able to maintain its principled reputation - AIATSIS and ASP  were correct in their decision that the Dark Emu manuscript, in the form in which it was offered to them, just wasn’t worthy of their endorsement as a work of non-fiction.

Fiction maybe, but a scholarly book on Aboriginal society? No.

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/how-low-can-bruce-pascoe-go

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:40am:

Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:39am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:15am: Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet. Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite? Was he your dad? LOL!!

I am not surprised you never heard of him, thick ignorant, grinning mong.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Les-Murray

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Dark Emu is all BS So there you have it - the ‘professors’ who rejected Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu manuscript were none other than some of Australia’s most qualified scholars on Indigenous Knowledge at the AIATSIS and its publishing arm, Aboriginal Studies Press. These professors are the curators and custodians of the world’s largest single repository of artifacts, writings, research reports, films and audio of the Australian Aboriginal peoples. But according to Bruce they are wrong and he is right - after all he bought a second-hand copy of the journal of Thomas Mitchell for 8 bucks that he says turned out to be some sort of Holy Book of Revelations on Aboriginal agriculture. So we wondered what these professors actual said to Bruce about his Dark Emu manuscript? Now, we all whinge and moan from time to time about how the public is kept in the dark by the government, its departments and the raft of statutory bodies that govern our lives, but in this great country of ours there is actually a hard-fought for right which us ‘little people’ can utilize to find out the truth. It does take a lot of effort and time and sometimes considerable expense, but there is actually a system that works - it is called FOI - Freedom of Information. So one of our contributors, Mia (Note 1), lodged her application and surprise, surprise we got to the bottom of this story, a story in which Bruce Pascoe is confirmed as an excellent writer of fiction. Mia’s FOI correspondence with the AIATSIS is shown below chronologically - and we have to admit that the disclosure that Mia was able to achieve shows the AIATSIS, and their publishing arm ASP, in a very good light. They did a very professional job when considering Pascoe’s manuscript. Now, financially is was a loss to them - Dark Emu with the free promotion of the ABC/SBS/NTIV media complex went on to achieve some of the biggest book sales ever seen in Australia. But the AIATSIS was able to maintain its principled reputation - AIATSIS and ASP  were correct in their decision that the Dark Emu manuscript, in the form in which it was offered to them, just wasn’t worthy of their endorsement as a work of non-fiction. Fiction maybe, but a scholarly book on Aboriginal society? No. https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/how-low-can-bruce-pascoe-go

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I am glad he triggered you this hard

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:40am:

Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:39am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:15am: Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet. Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite? Was he your dad? LOL!!

I am not surprised you never heard of him, thick ignorant, grinning mong.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Les-Murray

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:07pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:40am: Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:39am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:15am: Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet. Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite? Was he your dad? LOL!! I am not surprised you never heard of him, thick ignorant, grinning mong. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Les-Murray

Just not as old as you, old man

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:08pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:07pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:40am: Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:39am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:15am: Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 11:09am: ANOTHER apparently ubiquitous feature of Aboriginal society was the striking majority of adult men compared with adult women: Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum You are stupid, viciously ignorant berk, muppet. Les Murray was the literary editor of Quadrant for 20 years until his death in 2019. Was he scum, you disgraceful little mouthy shite? Was he your dad? LOL!! I am not surprised you never heard of him, thick ignorant, grinning mong. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Les-Murray Just not as old as you, old man

FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh OldLeftHandWanks? 😂😂😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:36pm:

FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆

So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense.

God you're thick as a brick! No one has offered you their real age you POS. Only you have.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:42pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense. God you're thick as a brick! No one has offered you their real age you POS. Only you have.

I understand you are illiterate.  Are you saying the person who said he was 70 was lying? Perhaps

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense.

Respect your Elders ...... something your mother missed out on....   ::)  ::)  ::)

Oh - and BTW - you've never presented anything to oppose - just your personal bile and nonsense repeated over and over again.

Nah then - Would YOU, in conditions where nothing else was under consideration .... (repeat until you get it) ....  willingly enter into a sexual relationship with a chick with a dick?

FLNE - First Language Non-English....    ::)  ::)  ::)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:48pm:

Respect your Elders ...... something your mother missed out on....   ::)  ::)  ::) Oh - and BTW - you've never presented anything to oppose - just your personal bile and nonsense repeated over and over again. Nah then - Would YOU, in conditions where nothing else was under consideration .... (repeat until you get it) ....  willingly enter into a sexual relationship with a chick with a dick? FLNE - First Language Non-English....    ::)  ::)  ::)

I don't respect scum merely for hteir birthday.

No, I've presented facts to you over and over, answered every question, you just run and cry

I have answered that question at least 10 times.  You refuse to engage in my answers because you'd rather cry about penis

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:42pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense. God you're thick as a brick! No one has offered you their real age you POS. Only you have. I understand blah blah blah...

You don't understand, you can't understand, you will never understand.

Why? ALL your brain cells are fried by those drugs you think you still need in order to get through the day. You're a lost cause as I've stated earlier. Im glad you don't live in Sydney. We don't want/need your ilk here.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:54pm:

You don't understand, you can't understand, you will never understand. Why? ALL your brain cells are fried by those drugs you think you still need in order to get through the day. You're a lost cause as I've stated earlier. Im glad you don't live in Sydney. We don't want/need your ilk here.

It's interesting how many threads exist to cry about me, how many people, such as yourself, reply with fantasies about my failed life to cry about me

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:48pm: Respect your Elders ...... something your mother missed out on....   ::)  ::)  ::) Oh - and BTW - you've never presented anything to oppose - just your personal bile and nonsense repeated over and over again. Nah then - Would YOU, in conditions where nothing else was under consideration .... (repeat until you get it) ....  willingly enter into a sexual relationship with a chick with a dick? FLNE - First Language Non-English....    ::)  ::)  ::) I don't respect scum....

We already know that because you don't respect yourself. And you are the biggest, scummiest troll to ever appear on this forum.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:54pm: You don't understand, you can't understand, you will never understand. Why? ALL your brain cells are fried by those drugs you think you still need in order to get through the day. You're a lost cause as I've stated earlier. Im glad you don't live in Sydney. We don't want/need your ilk here. It's interesting how many threads exist to cry about me, how many people, such as yourself, reply with fantasies about my failed life to cry about me

You find that interesting?

Normal and sane people would find that farkkking embarrassing.

You're ethically bankrupt state is what exposes and brands you as the failed scum we all know you are ....every time you appear with that disgusting and vile troll id.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:56pm:

[ We already know that because you don't respect yourself. And you are the biggest, scummiest troll to ever appear on this forum.

Does everyone in Sydney have a mental age of 12? I've always thought it was a crappy place....

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:56pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:54pm: You don't understand, you can't understand, you will never understand. Why? ALL your brain cells are fried by those drugs you think you still need in order to get through the day. You're a lost cause as I've stated earlier. Im glad you don't live in Sydney. We don't want/need your ilk here. It's interesting how many threads exist to cry about me, how many people, such as yourself, reply with fantasies about my failed life to cry about me You find that interesting? Normal and sane people would find that farkkking embarrassing. You're ethically bankrupt state is what exposes and brands you as the failed scum we all know you are ....every time you appear with that disgusting and vile troll id.

Just a heads up everyone else : The mongs at Monk's Manure Mound are sitting in LeftHandWanks shared id.

Best to ignore and post over them whenever they jump into that troll id. Cheers.

You are Grandiose, Omnipotent and Devaluing.

That classifies you as a Narcissist - which means you are a total arsehole and best avoided.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense.

Les Murray died 3 years ago, in 2019,  and was regarded internationally, not just in Australia, as one of the greatest poets of his time. Is that ancient history to you, ya stupid goldfish, does the world start anew for you every 8 seconds as you turn in your fishbowl, ya thick, malign berk?

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:11pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense. Les Murray died 3 years ago, in 2019,  and was regarded internationally, not just in Australia, as one of the greatest poets of his time. Is that ancient history to you, ya stupid goldfish, does the world start anew for you every 8 seconds as you turn in your fishbowl, ya thick, malign berk?

Yeah, it means his time of being important is before my time

I prefer poets like Lemmy

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:05pm:

You are Grandiose, Omnipotent and Devaluing. That classifies you as a Narcissist - which means you are a total arsehole and best avoided.

I devalue Nazis? How is that possible?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:00pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:56pm: [ We already know that because you don't respect yourself. And you are the biggest, scummiest troll to ever appear on this forum. Does everyone in Sydney have a mental age of 12? I've always thought it was a crappy place....

Well, if they do they are about 8 years ahead of you, puerile fathead.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:13pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:05pm: You are Grandiose, Omnipotent and Devaluing. That classifies you as a Narcissist - which means you are a total arsehole and best avoided. I devalue Nazis? How is that possible?

They are smart, benevolent, loveable and thoughtful compared to you, pest.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:11pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:37pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:36pm: FFS by your own admission. you're in your mid 50's! Do you delusionally think YOU are still young eh Left HandWanks? 😂😂😆 So when people who oppose me offer their age, they have 20 years on me.  Which makes sense. Les Murray died 3 years ago, in 2019,  and was regarded internationally, not just in Australia, as one of the greatest poets of his time. Is that ancient history to you, ya stupid goldfish, does the world start anew for you every 8 seconds as you turn in your fishbowl, ya thick, malign berk? Yeah, it means his time of being important is before my time

So 2019 was before your time - you ARE a friggin' 3 year old!

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:20pm:

So 2019 was before your time - you ARE a friggin' 3 year old!

It's funny because you are illiterate

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:13pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:05pm: You are Grandiose, Omnipotent and Devaluing. That classifies you as a Narcissist - which means you are a total arsehole and best avoided. I devalue Nazis? How is that possible?

You are the one with extreme authoritarian views - not me

I say all Australians are equal before the law - you say a small segment of DNA makes some people superior to the rest - that makes YOU the Nazi.

My family history is fighting against Tyranny - you want Tyranny

Your flag logo - the Antifa flag is a Communist Flag

Read the Gulag Archipelago and learn about how bad the Communists were and are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:27pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:13pm: Yeah, it means his time of being important is before my time Frank wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:20pm: So 2019 was before your time - you ARE a friggin' 3 year old! It's funny because you are illiterate

:D :D :D :D

Today's word is:


non sequitur  /nɒn ˈsɛkwɪtə/ noun

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"


Origin
Latin, literally ‘it does not follow’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Australia

Literature suggests infanticide may have occurred reasonably commonly among Indigenous Australians, in all areas of Australia prior to European settlement. Infanticide may have continued to occur quite often up until the 1960s. An 1866 issue of The Australian News for Home Readers informed readers that "the crime of infanticide is so prevalent amongst the natives that it is rare to see an infant".[100]

Author Susanna de Vries in 2007 told a newspaper that her accounts of Aboriginal violence, including infanticide, were censored by publishers in the 1980s and 1990s. She told reporters that the censorship "stemmed from guilt over the stolen children question".[101] Keith Windschuttle weighed in on the conversation, saying this type of censorship started in the 1970s.[101] In the same article Louis Nowra suggested that infanticide in customary Aboriginal law may have been because it was difficult to keep an abundant number of Aboriginal children alive; there were life-and-death decisions modern-day Australians no longer have to face.[101]

Working for the Health Department in Alice Springs years ago and after many years in the NT the fact it Infanticide is rampant now today in this day and age.

Infanticide is out of all control right now but it accepted as part of the culture

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png

Boring, boring, Matty.  All you have displayed is your Racism.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 5:50pm:

Working for the Health Department in Alice Springs years ago and after many years in the NT the fact it Infanticide is rampant now today in this day and age. Infanticide is out of all control right now but it accepted as part of the culture

And its all your fault Whitey!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 11:15am:

Anyone who writes for Quadrant is scum

Yes, quite possibly.

Media Bias Fact Check gave Quadrant a "LOW CREDIBILITY" rating:


Quote:

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilise strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information reporting that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.  Overall, we rate Quadrant Magazine 'Right Biased' due to story selection that favours the right and 'Mixed' for factual reporting for opposing the consensus of science and the use of poor sources.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2022 at 3:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 3:00pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:56pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 23rd, 2022 at 2:54pm: You don't understand, you can't understand, you will never understand. Why? ALL your brain cells are fried by those drugs you think you still need in order to get through the day. You're a lost cause as I've stated earlier. Im glad you don't live in Sydney. We don't want/need your ilk here. It's interesting how many threads exist to cry about me, how many people, such as yourself, reply with fantasies about my failed life to cry about me You find that interesting? Normal and sane people would find that farkkking embarrassing. You're ethically bankrupt state is what exposes and brands you as the failed scum we all know you are ....every time you appear with that disgusting and vile troll id. Just a heads up everyone else : The mongs at Monk's Manure Mound are sitting in LeftHandWanks shared id. Best to ignore and post over them whenever they jump into that troll id. Cheers.

Do you have a shred of evidence that FTLW is a sock or that more than one person who also posts at my fine forum use that sock?

Any shred? Why not ask FD to verify your statement? That is because it is a lie produced by your particular mental illness, right? So, produce evidence or retract your claim!

FTLW is silly enough to believe, still, that the Greens are an environmental, progressive Party but plenty of silly people post here. One pretends to be female, married, rich etc, eh Larry?

Children - even babies - are raped and murdered in great numbers all the time in the NT - on the Barkly 40% of all the children are at risk.

We are talking huge numbers - and nobody cares.

I have seen it - it is pure undiluted horror

Must be the Boongs that Whitey's taught on how to be 'civilised'.

Jasin wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

Must be the Boongs that Whitey's taught on how to be 'civilised'.

Just sticking to their traditional ways, Bro..... you know that.

Jasin wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

Must be the Boongs that Whitey's taught on how to be 'civilised'.

Are you really this stupid?

In the Initiation the boys are gang raped - sodomised - for 3 months and masturbated by the old men.

Graham Davis used some previously unaired footage of Fred Hollows, filmed in 1992 when HIV-AIDS loomed as a key problem in the outback. Hollows was going public about the practice of elders in some tribes sodomising boys during the course of initiation. Davis asked: "Does that mean Aborigines ought to be told not to do it?" Hollows replied: "Yes, of course. What else am I going to say? Do it and die?"

Using the plain-spoken Hollows to ventilate a matter the politically correct would rather no one talked about was a deft touch on Davis's part, in an exemplary cover story. Although no other media, as far as I can tell, picked up on the sexual element in initiation ceremonies, no doubt it gave an added edge to the debate that raged, in and out of federal parliament, all through the week on the role of customary law.

.....

In 1992 Fred Hollows was filmed talking about the practice of Aboriginal elders in some remote communities sodomising boys during initiations, and he complained about the HIV infections. The footage was aired only recently (mid-2000s). Nowra says, “It is highly probable his comments were considered too inflammatory and regarded as culturally insensitive.”


Frequently during the Initiations the boys die

This is Cultural Rape and Murder - but the Left love it


Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index