;D
This guy is gold!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3y_Wm8TjOY

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:06am:

;D This guy is gold! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3y_Wm8TjOY

Ah, no. He's not. Not unless he's a gold-plated dog turd.

If this is where you get your 'facts' from, it's no wonder you come across as being such an ignorant bigot.

The guy's an absolute muppet.

Kat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:06am: ;D This guy is gold! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3y_Wm8TjOY Ah, no. He's not. Not unless he's a gold-plated dog turd. If this is where you get your 'facts' from, it's no wonder you come across as being such an ignorant bigot. The guy's an absolute muppet.

Look Kat. I don't give a rats about who's right or wrong in that horrid Media world coming out of America. Too many lies, fakeness, frauds, sexual perversion and much more.
What I do know is that he is far more 'Entertaining' than anything Trans or Femininists put out and lets face it, when it comes to Entertainment - that's what the Media should stick to and stay out of Politics. I find it funny how he delivers in a average 'simple' style against all that tries to make something so simple more complex than it really is just to appear more sophisticated than it really is. That's the mark of Over-Achievers and that's what he won't be bullied by. So far, I've yet to see any 'honest' effort up front to counter Walsh (as far as I know) beyond lies, coercion, denials.
So, like I said - HE'S MORE ENTERTAINING.  ;)
"Meow"

I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life.

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life.

It I'd begotten someone like him, I'd rightly regard myself a failure as a parent.

Raising a kid to hold such vile attitudes towards anyone not JUST like him should be regarded as child-abuse.

What vile attitude?

Are you sitting on the toilet in your profile pic?

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:21pm:

What vile attitude? Are you sitting on the toilet in your profile pic?

Why>? Are you sitting on yours?

Actually it would explain a lot

Kat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:29pm: I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life. It I'd begotten someone like him, I'd rightly regard myself a failure as a parent. Raising a kid to hold such vile attitudes towards anyone not JUST like him should be regarded as child-abuse.

He's just your average Hetero-sexual Binary person trying to make sense out of people who can't make sense out of themselves and thus try to warp the fabric of time and space to suit themselves.
He's putting his cards on the table for all to see against others who refuse or can't do so themselves because they know they are trying to 'cheat' the system. At the most, the Trans/Gay/Lefty movement seems to only hold 'blank' cards which they draw Unicorns on which to them seems to be worth more than a King and Queen.

It's very hard to take people seriously, when they can't take reality seriously.
I think Walsh is being as 'polite' as he possibly can and if he expresses anger, frustration and 'honesty' to these people - then its no different to what people would express to Putin.

..."Meow"

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:21pm:

What vile attitude? Are you sitting on the toilet in your profile pic?

His vile attitudes.

And no - I'm not.

Kat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:21pm: What vile attitude? Are you sitting on the toilet in your profile pic? His vile attitudes. And no - I'm not.

Are you sitting on a tray of litter like I am Kat?
"Meow" *purrrr

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:41pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:29pm: I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life. It I'd begotten someone like him, I'd rightly regard myself a failure as a parent. Raising a kid to hold such vile attitudes towards anyone not JUST like him should be regarded as child-abuse. He's just your average Hetero-sexual Binary person trying to make sense out of people who can't make sense out of themselves and thus try to warp the fabric of time and space to suit themselves. He's putting his cards on the table for all to see against others who refuse or can't do so themselves because they know they are trying to 'cheat' the system. At the most, the Trans/Gay/Lefty movement seems to only hold 'blank' cards which they draw Unicorns on which to them seems to be worth more than a King and Queen. It's very hard to take people seriously, when they can't take reality seriously. I think Walsh is being as 'polite' as he possibly can and if he expresses anger, frustration and 'honesty' to these people - then its no different to what people would express to Putin. ..."Meow"

It really doesn't matter how often you repeat this rubbish - it still won't make it correct. All it
does is make you look silly (sillier).

And please, do tell me wtf Putin has to do with any of this?

Kat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:58pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:41pm: Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:29pm: I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life. It I'd begotten someone like him, I'd rightly regard myself a failure as a parent. Raising a kid to hold such vile attitudes towards anyone not JUST like him should be regarded as child-abuse. He's just your average Hetero-sexual Binary person trying to make sense out of people who can't make sense out of themselves and thus try to warp the fabric of time and space to suit themselves. He's putting his cards on the table for all to see against others who refuse or can't do so themselves because they know they are trying to 'cheat' the system. At the most, the Trans/Gay/Lefty movement seems to only hold 'blank' cards which they draw Unicorns on which to them seems to be worth more than a King and Queen. It's very hard to take people seriously, when they can't take reality seriously. I think Walsh is being as 'polite' as he possibly can and if he expresses anger, frustration and 'honesty' to these people - then its no different to what people would express to Putin. ..."Meow" It really doesn't matter how often you repeat this rubbish - it still won't make it correct. All it does is make you look silly (sillier). And please, do tell me wtf Putin has to do with any of this?

Ok. What's in it for me to support Trans people, etc?
What's in it for you (too)?
Now don't be shy.

Kat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:21pm: What vile attitude? Are you sitting on the toilet in your profile pic? His vile attitudes. And no - I'm not.

Can you be more specific about his attitude?

I'm neither a "feminist" nor a "masculinist".     I treat everybody at face value.

One of the issues with rabid (female) feminists is that they see their cause célèbre
as the only one with any true merit, which blinds them to any moderate, considered
debate with anyone who doesn't fall at their feet in abject surrender.

There is no grey; simply black or white.  You're either with them 100% or otherwise
you're a—probably male—arsewipe.

I understand that Walsh's viewpoints and public commentary have ruffled
a lot of feathers in the US, and would be considered pretty offensive by
a large portion of a conservative population, but his satirical skills are often
spot on.  And sometimes brutal satire is one of the things the rabid feminists
can't seem to get their heads around. It's often more a wake up call to the
ridiculousness of the human condition—from both sides of the fence.

And I can virtually guarantee that no dyed in the wool feminist would be able
to view this YouTube video without blowing a fuse.  And, ironically, therein lies
one of their major shortcomings.

Well said Geoff

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life.

Married, 4 kiddies.

What is supremely satisfying about this sort of video is that there could be people who are genuinely upset by it. You have to take yourself way to seriously if you get upset by a satire of your silly, largely insincere pieties and ridiculous poses.

Watching that lead me into some Jordan Peterson videos... always amazed at how similar our thinking is and even some of our expressions.... Peterson and I.

Thinking minds think alike.

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 8:11pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:58pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 7:41pm: Kat wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:29pm: I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life. It I'd begotten someone like him, I'd rightly regard myself a failure as a parent. Raising a kid to hold such vile attitudes towards anyone not JUST like him should be regarded as child-abuse. He's just your average Hetero-sexual Binary person trying to make sense out of people who can't make sense out of themselves and thus try to warp the fabric of time and space to suit themselves. He's putting his cards on the table for all to see against others who refuse or can't do so themselves because they know they are trying to 'cheat' the system. At the most, the Trans/Gay/Lefty movement seems to only hold 'blank' cards which they draw Unicorns on which to them seems to be worth more than a King and Queen. It's very hard to take people seriously, when they can't take reality seriously. I think Walsh is being as 'polite' as he possibly can and if he expresses anger, frustration and 'honesty' to these people - then its no different to what people would express to Putin. ..."Meow" It really doesn't matter how often you repeat this rubbish - it still won't make it correct. All it does is make you look silly (sillier). And please, do tell me wtf Putin has to do with any of this? Ok. What's in it for me to support Trans people, etc? What's in it for you (too)? Now don't be shy.

...waiting.

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:06am:

;D This guy is gold! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3y_Wm8TjOY

I've been talking to an old man who is scared of 'the trans agenda'.  That's how I know this guy is a cnut.

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:28pm:

Look Kat. I don't give a rats about who's right or wrong in that horrid Media world coming out of America. Too many lies, fakeness, frauds, sexual perversion and much more. What I do know is that he is far more 'Entertaining' than anything Trans or Femininists put out and lets face it, when it comes to Entertainment - that's what the Media should stick to and stay out of Politics. I find it funny how he delivers in a average 'simple' style against all that tries to make something so simple more complex than it really is just to appear more sophisticated than it really is. That's the mark of Over-Achievers and that's what he won't be bullied by. So far, I've yet to see any 'honest' effort up front to counter Walsh (as far as I know) beyond lies, coercion, denials. So, like I said - HE'S MORE ENTERTAINING.  ;) "Meow"

'sexual perversion'.  Long dry spell then?

you thought trans people existed for your entertainment? LOL

Jasin wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 8:11pm:

Ok. What's in it for me to support Trans people, etc? Does there need to be 'something in it'? And what's 'in it' for you if you don't? You don't need to wear your support on your sleeve - there is such a thing as tacit support. But equally you can be NON-supportive but not necessarily make a cnut of yourself over it. An example of which would be women with tattoos - I find it a turn-off and would not date or marry a heavily-tattooed woman. BUT - I don't rant about it at every opportunity, or abuse or shame women who do choose to go that route. Nor do I insist that others share my views on the matter. What's in it for you (too)? Nothing really tangible, I guess. But I do have a couple of friends who are trans women, and it's nice to know that they know that I've got their backs and do not judge them. Now don't be shy.

They already get all the support they need, medically, socially and legally ...... why is there any need to try to recruit everyday people to their 'cause'.. everyday people are happy to just walk on by and say 'whatever rocks your boat'.

You say you're their mate, Kat - good - that's your choice - other people either never met one or simply don't care.  Not their thing.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you....

Who are you to shirt front them and call them names for living their own lives?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

They already get all the support they need, medically, socially and legally ...... why is there any need to try to recruit everyday people to their 'cause'.. everyday people are happy to just walk on by and say 'whatever rocks your boat'. You say you're their mate, Kat - good - that's your choice - other people either never met one or simply don't care.  Not their thing.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... Who are you to shirt front them and call them names for living their own lives?

you just posted on three threads.  All crying about cock.  IF you just peacefully lived your life without attacking trans folks, you wouldn't be having these conversations

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 11:09am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: They already get all the support they need, medically, socially and legally ...... why is there any need to try to recruit everyday people to their 'cause'.. everyday people are happy to just walk on by and say 'whatever rocks your boat'. You say you're their mate, Kat - good - that's your choice - other people either never met one or simply don't care.  Not their thing.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... Who are you to shirt front them and call them names for living their own lives? you just posted on three threads.  All crying about cock.  IF you just peacefully lived your life without attacking trans folks, you wouldn't be having these conversations

Not one word about 'cock' there.  Your delusions again, voices in your head.... you really are stupid and have nothing,right?  Never attacked a tranny in my life - saying that kids shouldn't have access to life-changing drugs because of a 'feeling' but should wait until they are old enough is not attacking anyone, and I've always said live and let live.

I think it''s nearing time to remove you for your lies - see how you feel about that.  You are nothing but a troll.

Lift your game tomorrow and stop telling lies and using personal affront or that's it, sonny.  That'll piss you off no end.  Lie about me one more time and it's adios, muchacho.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 7:28pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: They already get all the support they need, medically, socially and legally ...... why is there any need to try to recruit everyday people to their 'cause'.. everyday people are happy to just walk on by and say 'whatever rocks your boat'. You say you're their mate, Kat - good - that's your choice - other people either never met one or simply don't care.  Not their thing.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... Who are you to shirt front them and call them names for living their own lives? you just posted on three threads.  All crying about cock.  IF you just peacefully lived your life without attacking trans folks, you wouldn't be having these conversations Not one word about 'cock' there.  Your delusions again, voices in your head.... you really are stupid and have nothing,right?  Never attacked a tranny in my life - saying that kids shouldn't have access to life-changing drugs because of a 'feeling' but should wait until they are old enough is not attacking anyone, and I've always said live and let live. I think it''s nearing time to remove you for your lies - see how you feel about that.  You are nothing but a troll. Lift your game tomorrow and stop telling lies and using personal affront or that's it, sonny.  That'll piss you off no end.  Lie about me one more time and it's adios, muchacho.

Once again, they don't.

They can take puberty blockers which will DELAY the onset of puberty and GIVE them the time to decide if they're trans or not. And even then, there are many hoops they must jump through first.

NO-ONE is forcing drugs on them.

I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences.

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:

I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences.

That's why the hoops are there.

Not just anyone is approved for it.

Kat wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:32pm: I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences. That's why the hoops are there. Not just anyone is approved for it.

Not mature enough to drive, buy smokes or liquor (bad for your health and no hoops) , can't enter into a contract, can't vote - but can change sex.


Crazy.

Soon we'll be having pills and medical procedures (from a nation more apt at winning wars) for kids to decide wether or not they should grow up into Adults.
Newsflash: Boy identifies as Peter Pan and lives his life in Television and Cyber Land.

34 year old man identifies as a Child and attains the right to play with children ("Tell me about the Rabbits George" *squeeze)

97 year old Woman identifies herself as a young 20's woman, pills and medical procedures make her 'appear' 25 years of age. She dies 2 months later from old age after trying to 'behave' like a energetic 20 year old.

A red haired male ranga dimwit becomes a President.
A brunette professional politician becomes a dimwit.

30 year old male identifies as a female and attends female toilets, spas, locker-rooms, change-rooms and is eventually raped by a black hobo male on amphetamines.

22 year old woman identifies as a male and joins a male rugby league side. She get's her face rearranged by an all in brawl and is taken to hospital.

Kat wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:29pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 7:28pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:09am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: They already get all the support they need, medically, socially and legally ...... why is there any need to try to recruit everyday people to their 'cause'.. everyday people are happy to just walk on by and say 'whatever rocks your boat'. You say you're their mate, Kat - good - that's your choice - other people either never met one or simply don't care.  Not their thing.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... Who are you to shirt front them and call them names for living their own lives? you just posted on three threads.  All crying about cock.  IF you just peacefully lived your life without attacking trans folks, you wouldn't be having these conversations Not one word about 'cock' there.  Your delusions again, voices in your head.... you really are stupid and have nothing,right?  Never attacked a tranny in my life - saying that kids shouldn't have access to life-changing drugs because of a 'feeling' but should wait until they are old enough is not attacking anyone, and I've always said live and let live. I think it''s nearing time to remove you for your lies - see how you feel about that.  You are nothing but a troll. Lift your game tomorrow and stop telling lies and using personal affront or that's it, sonny.  That'll piss you off no end.  Lie about me one more time and it's adios, muchacho. Once again, they don't. They can take puberty blockers which will DELAY the onset of puberty and GIVE them the time to decide if they're trans or not. And even then, there are many hoops they must jump through first. NO-ONE is forcing drugs on them.

They can decide whether or not they are truly 'trans' without blocking puberty first and letting things take their course ..... sounds more natural and rational to me... why block their development at all?  Crazy if you ask me.

If they are naturally pre-disposed to be 'trans', then surely that will develop along with their progression through puberty????????  Am I right???????

WHY do they need to have their puberty process blocked in order to work out what they are sexually? They can do that by the natural process already in hand......  No guff about 'gender' in its distorted current non-meaning.

Frank wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:32pm: I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences. That's why the hoops are there. Not just anyone is approved for it. Not mature enough to drive, buy smokes or liquor (bad for your health and no hoops) , can't enter into a contract, can't vote - but can change sex. Crazy.

That's not what I said at all.

You are an anomaly - someone who becomes LESS knowledgeable about a particular subject
over time, rather than gaining any knowledge or insight.

Frank wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:29pm: I doubt that guy in the video has ever had a real date with a woman in his life. Married, 4 kiddies. What is supremely satisfying about this sort of video is that there could be people who are genuinely upset by it. You have to take yourself way to seriously if you get upset by a satire of your silly, largely insincere pieties and ridiculous poses.

arranged wedding was it?

And no one could take this bloke seriously

Frank wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:32pm: I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences. That's why the hoops are there. Not just anyone is approved for it. Not mature enough to drive, buy smokes or liquor (bad for your health and no hoops) , can't enter into a contract, can't vote - but can change sex. Crazy.

So you think it's bad for a young person to identify as a gender at all? Why? What do you think 'change sex' means for an 8 year old? Are you just mentally ill?

To reiterate, no permanent treatments or any procedures happen to kids under 18

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:

I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences.

I'm pretty sure I trust doctors over an angry bigot on the internet

Jasin wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Soon we'll be having pills and medical procedures (from a nation more apt at winning wars) for kids to decide wether or not they should grow up into Adults. Newsflash: Boy identifies as Peter Pan and lives his life in Television and Cyber Land. 34 year old man identifies as a Child and attains the right to play with children ("Tell me about the Rabbits George" *squeeze) 97 year old Woman identifies herself as a young 20's woman, pills and medical procedures make her 'appear' 25 years of age. She dies 2 months later from old age after trying to 'behave' like a energetic 20 year old. A red haired male ranga dimwit becomes a President. A brunette professional politician becomes a dimwit. 30 year old male identifies as a female and attends female toilets, spas, locker-rooms, change-rooms and is eventually raped by a black hobo male on amphetamines. 22 year old woman identifies as a male and joins a male rugby league side. She get's her face rearranged by an all in brawl and is taken to hospital.

I am quite OK with old people being confused and lost. Can't you just shut up about it though?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

.  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you....

because of extreme retards like you. For someone who keeps saying it's not an issue, you certainly devote a lot of time to crying about it

John Smith wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: .  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... because of extreme retards like you. For someone who keeps saying it's not an issue, you certainly devote a lot of time to crying about it

It's interesting.  I have trans friends and family.  We almost never talk about it except joking about right wing bigots.  It is only a big deal because of their obsession.  Otherwise it would be the least interesting thing to me about those people

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 8:36am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 8:32am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: .  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... because of extreme retards like you. For someone who keeps saying it's not an issue, you certainly devote a lot of time to crying about it It's interesting.  I have trans friends and family.  We almost never talk about it except joking about right wing bigots.  It is only a big deal because of their obsession.  Otherwise it would be the least interesting thing to me about those people

Same with everyone else re 'trannies' -- YOU'RE the one who came storming in here carrying on about it and do so every day.  If you hadn't done that and persisted with it - nobody would give a damn about the lies and bullshit being pushed about that tiny minority.

Your singlular benefit is that you've woken people up to the insanities such as giving kids puberty blockers.

John Smith wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 11:02am: .  Why does the extreme left always need to make everyone out to be their enemy?  Way to lose friends and influence people against you.... because of extreme retards like you. For someone who keeps saying it's not an issue, you certainly devote a lot of time to crying about it

You're next.  One more insult in place of discussion and you're out, Smith.  Get it right or get out - the clear retard here is you.

If you and the other retards would shut up about it, there'd be nothing to discuss.

You are advised to tread carefully.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

Same with everyone else re 'trannies' -- YOU'RE the one who came storming in here carrying on about it and do so every day.  If you hadn't done that and persisted with it - nobody would give a damn about the lies and bullshit being pushed about that tiny minority. Your singlular benefit is that you've woken people up to the insanities such as giving kids puberty blockers.

Go and see who starts the threads... I've started them on fascism, you start them on trans kids.  And tell me again why medicine is insane? LOL!! I answered you and you ran

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:13am:

because of extreme retards like you. For someone who keeps saying it's not an issue, you certainly devote a lot of time to crying about it

You're next.  One more insult in place of discussion and you're out, Smith.  Get it right or get out - the clear retard here is you.

If you and the other retards would shut up about it, there'd be nothing to discuss.

You are advised to tread carefully.
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Go back and look at who starts the threads, and who cries non stop? It's not us

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 8:29am:

Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:58pm: Kat wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2022 at 9:32pm: I'm pretty sure you cannot just turn puberty on and off without serious long term consequences. That's why the hoops are there. Not just anyone is approved for it. Not mature enough to drive, buy smokes or liquor (bad for your health and no hoops) , can't enter into a contract, can't vote - but can change sex. Crazy. So you think it's bad for a young person to identify as a gender at all? Why? What do you think 'change sex' means for an 8 year old? Are you just mentally ill? To reiterate, no permanent treatments or any procedures happen to kids under 18

Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others.

Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery.

It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans.

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:24am:

Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans.

Are you saying DNA didn't exist until we discovered it? I reiterate that most trans folks don't have surgery.  They are not as obsessed with cock as you are.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:27am:

Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:24am: Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans. Are you saying DNA didn't exist until we discovered it? I reiterate that most trans folks don't have surgery.  They are not as obsessed with cock as you are.

You can cut that one out right now.  Whatever you think of Frank, he did not at any time mention 'cock' or anything else.... so that's the last time, OK?  Keep your puerile personal affronts out of discussion between adults.

If they don't really want to change their sex, they are not really trans.  Simple.  It's just a head issue that needs help, like an anorexic girl thinking she's obese.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:28am:

You can cut that one out right now.  Whatever you think of Frank, he did not at any time mention 'cock' or anything else.... so that's the last time, OK?  Keep your puerile personal affronts out of discussion between adults. If they don't really want to change their sex, they are not really trans.  Simple.  It's just a head issue that needs help, like an anorexic girl thinking she's obese.

The reason you are crying is the genitals of strangers.  You are  crying about cock.  You hate gays and not lesbians.  You hate trans women and not trans men.  You're upset if people with a penis don't live up to your vision of manhood.

You can't 'help' trans people.  You can't change that they are trans.  There is no way to do this.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:40am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:28am: You can cut that one out right now.  Whatever you think of Frank, he did not at any time mention 'cock' or anything else.... so that's the last time, OK?  Keep your puerile personal affronts out of discussion between adults. If they don't really want to change their sex, they are not really trans.  Simple.  It's just a head issue that needs help, like an anorexic girl thinking she's obese. The reason you are crying is the genitals of strangers.  You are  crying about cock.  You hate gays and not lesbians.  You hate trans women and not trans men.  You're upset if people with a penis don't live up to your vision of manhood. You can't 'help' trans people.  You can't change that they are trans.  There is no way to do this.

Not one word of sense or reason there.  Nobody is here crying but you... and YOU are the only one who ever mentions cock.  Nobody hates gays or lesbians - we live and let live.  Clearly it is the few with a penis and head problems who are upset, otherwise this would not even be under discussion.  Trans people can be helped - firstly with proper counselling and focusing on what they ARE first and foremost - they can change their idea of being 'trans' - there is every way to do this instead of going the costly and socially destructive route of accommodating to every fantasy in anyone's head.

They are free to make their own decision once they have attained the age or beginning of reason.

Look at the violence you brought to the table from day one of your appearance - and you haven't stopped yet. 

Now use civil terms in discussion, stick to facts and stop trying to offload your problems on others who simply want to discuss this and offer different approaches.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:27am:

Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:24am: Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans. Are you saying DNA didn't exist until we discovered it? I reiterate that most trans folks don't have surgery.  They are not as obsessed with cock as you are.

DNA is discovered.  Deoxyribonucleic acid is an actual substance.
Human gender is invented.  It's was invented in 1955 by a Kiwi, John Money, borrowing a grammatical CONCEPT (note: not an actual substance or thing) and applying it to human CONCEPTS.

Human gender is not a THING, it is an interpretation. Hormone therapy, gender reassignment medical interventions, however, are actual material THINGS and procedures that materially alter healthy bodies.

For an intact bloke to insist that he is a real woman is clearly a matter of gross misinterpretation of the world. To remove a young woman's breasts because she thinks she is a bloke is monstrous. Healthy bodies subjugated to unhealthy minds. For doctors to along with it is dreadful and against every aspect of the first principle of the Hyppocratic Oath: do no harm.

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:48am:

DNA is discovered.  Deoxyribonucleic acid is an actual substance. Human gender is invented.  It's was invented in 1955 by a Kiwi, John Money, borrowing a grammatical CONCEPT (note: not an actual substance or thing) and applying it to human CONCEPTS. Human gender is not a THING, it is an interpretation. Hormone therapy, gender reassignment medical interventions, however, are actual material THINGS and procedures that materially alter healthy bodies. For an intact bloke to insist that he is a real woman is clearly a matter of gross misinterpretation of the world. To remove a young woman's breasts because she thinks she is a bloke is monstrous. Healthy bodies subjugated to unhealthy minds. For doctors to along with it is dreadful and against every aspect of the first principle of the Hyppocratic Oath: do no harm.

Most societies have a concept for trans people and know they exist.  that someone invented the terminology doesn't mean he invented people feeling this way.  In 1955? Germans were investigating ways to help trans kids before Hitler burned it all down, more than 20 years before that.

There are still no medical interventions in children.  You are still a liar.

All of this boils down to your deep insecurity and fears.

They've been recognised as trans men or trans women - not as full members of each - same as gays were recognised as gays and handled as a separate group.

Look at the successful gays and lesbians over the centuries.... who exactly was holding them back?

The fact that they've existed proves nothing for your case.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

They've been recognised as trans men or trans women - not as full members of each - same as gays were recognised as gays and handled as a separate group. Look at the successful gays and lesbians over the centuries.... who exactly was holding them back? The fact that they've existed proves nothing for your case.

It proves you lied, it wasn't just invented.  Trans and gay were always with us.  The successful gays had to hide it.  Oscar Wilde went to jail for it.  Trans men are men.  Gays are humans.  They are equal, they don't need special categories

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:51am:

Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:48am: DNA is discovered.  Deoxyribonucleic acid is an actual substance. Human gender is invented.  It's was invented in 1955 by a Kiwi, John Money, borrowing a grammatical CONCEPT (note: not an actual substance or thing) and applying it to human CONCEPTS. Human gender is not a THING, it is an interpretation. Hormone therapy, gender reassignment medical interventions, however, are actual material THINGS and procedures that materially alter healthy bodies. For an intact bloke to insist that he is a real woman is clearly a matter of gross misinterpretation of the world. To remove a young woman's breasts because she thinks she is a bloke is monstrous. Healthy bodies subjugated to unhealthy minds. For doctors to along with it is dreadful and against every aspect of the first principle of the Hyppocratic Oath: do no harm. Most societies have a concept for trans people and know they exist.  that someone invented the terminology doesn't mean he invented people feeling this way.  In 1955? Germans were investigating ways to help trans kids before Hitler burned it all down, more than 20 years before that. There are still no medical interventions in children.  You are still a liar. All of this boils down to your deep insecurity and fears.

What the Germans did has nothing to do with us.

You are now stating that prescribing gender blockers is not 'medical intervention'?

Stop trying so hard - you're going backwards.  I'm not 'insecure' about it - I know exactly what reality is, and I certainly have no 'fears' any more than I 'fear' poofs, or  Cheers or Mussos.  Your desperate tactics are not working.

You'll have to find new ways to approach these things rather than trying to belittle any who disagree...  and that applies across the board to all you Wokeists....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

What the Germans did has nothing to do with us. You are now stating that prescribing gender blockers is not 'medical intervention'? Stop trying so hard - you're going backwards.  I'm not 'insecure' about it - I know exactly what reality is, and I certainly have no 'fears' any more than I 'fear' poofs, or  Cheers or Mussos.  Your desperate tactics are not working. You'll have to find new ways to approach these things rather than trying to belittle any who disagree...  and that applies across the board to all you Wokeists....

Hormone blockers are not permanent.  As we've covered.

You are clearly insecure, you cry constantly.

Honestly, I tried to debate and you ran crying.  Now I am merely reminding you that you are scum.  If you ever grow a pair, we can discuss it. But I've tried

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 10:05am: They've been recognised as trans men or trans women - not as full members of each - same as gays were recognised as gays and handled as a separate group. Look at the successful gays and lesbians over the centuries.... who exactly was holding them back? The fact that they've existed proves nothing for your case. It proves you lied, it wasn't just invented.  Trans and gay were always with us.  The successful gays had to hide it.  Oscar Wilde went to jail for it.  Trans men are men.  Gays are humans.  They are equal, they don't need special categories

Idiot - I never said they never existed.  Somerset Maugham.... Elton John .... Liberace ....

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-gay-lesbian-and-bisexual-people-born-in-the-1930s/famous-gay-and-lesbian

Stop grasping at ancient history like some feminist ...... your desperation is showing.

History and the world have left you behind - don't be too upset about that... you can catch up.

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness.

It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength.

As for trannies - they are neither Arthur nor Martha - and must needs have separate categories in which to compete, because to do otherwise is totally an abuse of other contestants.

How many trans-men play in men's football?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:14am:

As for trannies - they are neither Arthur nor Martha - and must needs have separate categories in which to compete, because to do otherwise is totally an abuse of other contestants. How many trans-men play in men's football?

This is bullshit. Trans women are playing sport today and they are not winning all the time.  They have no advantage.  Women's groups are used to being excluded from sport so they have a personal reason to reject your hate.  Women only sports groups are not concerned about trans men playing women's sport.  Male bigots are.

Only people over 80 say 'neither Arthur nor Martha'.  Yet, you've ranted to me about them all morning

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness.

It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength.

Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:16am:

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

You are an ignorant old maggot.  Trans people are not anti their own sex.  bugger me, what a buffoon

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness.

It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength.

Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:18am:

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Keep telling the same lies, old man.  It will make you feel better.  RUN FROM DEBATE!!!

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:19am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 10:18am: People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro. Keep telling the same lies, old man.  It will make you feel better.  RUN FROM DEBATE!!!

He's younger than you, old man..... he IS debating.  You're attacking personally.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:20am:

He's younger than you, old man..... he IS debating.  You're attacking personally.

Incorrect.  I answer all of you and you ignore the answer and repeat the same bullshit.  That's not debating. 

Hormone blockers are not permanent
Trans people exist and you can't change them
No child gets surgery
Most trans people don't have surgery at all

These are facts and you won't discuss them

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness.

It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength.

Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Did I finally break you?  LOL

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness.

It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength.

Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

I can just see you screaming this as they drag you away.  You are, of course, scared to defend the claim

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

People who are ANTI anything are chasing a weakness. It's the People who are 'Pro' that are following a strength. Trans people are 'Anti' their own sex, rather than Pro.

If Lefty is anything to go by - the supporters of huge demands by a tiny minority are against anything they don't like.  Pretty stupid that.  Life is like a box of chocolates, sometimes the chocolate is bitter.  Not everything has sugar on top of it or mixed in to make it palatable.....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

If Lefty is anything to go by - the supporters of huge demands by a tiny minority are against anything they don't like.  Pretty stupid that.  Life is like a box of chocolates, sometimes the chocolate is bitter.  Not everything has sugar on top of it or mixed in to make it palatable.....

What huge demands are being made? I am simply asking you to shut up about things you don't understand.....

Sometimes people are scum, I agree.  That means we are allowed to ask you to stop.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 10:56am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 10:55am: If Lefty is anything to go by - the supporters of huge demands by a tiny minority are against anything they don't like.  Pretty stupid that.  Life is like a box of chocolates, sometimes the chocolate is bitter.  Not everything has sugar on top of it or mixed in to make it palatable..... What huge demands are being made? I am simply asking you to shut up about things you don't understand..... Sometimes people are scum, I agree.  That means we are allowed to ask you to stop.

I understand fully that there are countless ways to approach a claim of being tranny, especially at a very young age, and that best left alone and doing no harm until such time as the road ahead is clear is best.

No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!!

As for demands to be treated as what they think they are when they are clearly not - no way.  I'm not having my grand-daughters competing in a game or sport against some male monster claiming to be female.... they can compete on a level playing field with each other - no discrimination at all in that.  I even said they could have their tranny games along with the Olympics ... no problem.... let the people decide if they want to watch.

What IS your problem?  Only Nazis think nobody else is entitled to an opinion..... and the opinions of your 'experts' are only opinions.  The High Court of Australia long ago deemed that any expert opinion must be supported and substantiated by facts..... when entering new territory it is mandatory to wait long enough to actually gather facts... across the board, and not just within an echo chamber of self-interest.

Eat the bitter chocolate.....  You can't just come in here, attack everyone in sight with your filthy name-calling and insults, and expect to just walk away, sonny ... you Nazi.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 11:04am:

No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!! As for demands to be treated as what they think they are when they are clearly not - no way.  I'm not having my grand-daughters competing in a game or sport against some male monster claiming to be female.... they can compete on a level playing field with each other - no discrimination at all in that.  I even said they could have their tranny games along with the Olympics ... no problem.... let the people decide if they want to watch. What IS your problem?  Only Nazis think nobody else is entitled to an opinion..... and the opinions of your 'experts' are only opinions.  The High Court of Australia long ago deemed that any expert opinion must be supported and substantiated by facts..... when entering new territory it is mandatory to wait long enough to actually gather facts... across the board, and not just within an echo chamber of self-interest. Eat the bitter chocolate.....  You can't just come in here, attack everyone in sight with your filthy name-calling and insults, and expect to just walk away, sonny ... you Nazi.

No puberty blockers until puberty is over!!! You dumb vunt

Your granddaughters will be offended at your claim that the worst male sportsman is better than the best female

They already think you're filth though

You're entitled to an opinion.  I am entitled to discuss and expose your hate.  Dumbass

I have buried you in facts, old man

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 11:15am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:04am: No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!! As for demands to be treated as what they think they are when they are clearly not - no way.  I'm not having my grand-daughters competing in a game or sport against some male monster claiming to be female.... they can compete on a level playing field with each other - no discrimination at all in that.  I even said they could have their tranny games along with the Olympics ... no problem.... let the people decide if they want to watch. What IS your problem?  Only Nazis think nobody else is entitled to an opinion..... and the opinions of your 'experts' are only opinions.  The High Court of Australia long ago deemed that any expert opinion must be supported and substantiated by facts..... when entering new territory it is mandatory to wait long enough to actually gather facts... across the board, and not just within an echo chamber of self-interest. Eat the bitter chocolate.....  You can't just come in here, attack everyone in sight with your filthy name-calling and insults, and expect to just walk away, sonny ... you Nazi. No puberty blockers until puberty is over!!! You dumb vunt Your granddaughters will be offended at your claim that the worst male sportsman is better than the best female They already think you're filth though You're entitled to an opinion.  I am entitled to discuss and expose your hate.  Dumbass I have buried you in facts, old man

You have yet to present one fact - only abuse and insult.  I warned you about your language.

No Puberty Blockers until they are old enough to know WTF they are on about.  Allow nature to take its course and see if it cures the problem.  Easiest way.

Poor widdle Lefty - struggles to control himself, but just can't help it.

Let's see the facts without your bullshit, sonny.  You can't even get away with that in the streets where you live - your behaviour brings down the wrath of those around you on your head.

Decent people don't agree that children should get to choose what gender they think they want to be, and that they should be allowed massively changing drugs to suit their claimed feelings at a vulnerable age.

No wonder your 'political' opponents wanted to kill you.... what were the exact details again?  You accused someone here of 'trying to kill you' last night...

What is wrong with you, boy?  I told you on day one to get help.

It's obvious Smith and FTLW are just trolling to express their abusive nature.
Shame some of you are being sucked in by their attention needs.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:15am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:04am: No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!! As for demands to be treated as what they think they are when they are clearly not - no way.  I'm not having my grand-daughters competing in a game or sport against some male monster claiming to be female.... they can compete on a level playing field with each other - no discrimination at all in that.  I even said they could have their tranny games along with the Olympics ... no problem.... let the people decide if they want to watch. What IS your problem?  Only Nazis think nobody else is entitled to an opinion..... and the opinions of your 'experts' are only opinions.  The High Court of Australia long ago deemed that any expert opinion must be supported and substantiated by facts..... when entering new territory it is mandatory to wait long enough to actually gather facts... across the board, and not just within an echo chamber of self-interest. Eat the bitter chocolate.....  You can't just come in here, attack everyone in sight with your filthy name-calling and insults, and expect to just walk away, sonny ... you Nazi. No puberty blockers until puberty is over!!! You dumb vunt Your granddaughters will be offended at your claim that the worst male sportsman is better than the best female They already think you're filth though You're entitled to an opinion.  I am entitled to discuss and expose your hate.  Dumbass I have buried you in facts, old man You have yet to present one fact - only abuse and insult.  I warned you about your language. No Puberty Blockers until they are old enough to know WTF they are on about.  Allow nature to take its course and see if it cures the problem.  Easiest way.

By definition they are NEVER old enough to make informed decisions about PUBERTY blockers (aka chemical castration). It is a terrible thing to inflict on deluded but physically healthy young people.

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:45am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:15am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 11:04am: No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!! As for demands to be treated as what they think they are when they are clearly not - no way.  I'm not having my grand-daughters competing in a game or sport against some male monster claiming to be female.... they can compete on a level playing field with each other - no discrimination at all in that.  I even said they could have their tranny games along with the Olympics ... no problem.... let the people decide if they want to watch. What IS your problem?  Only Nazis think nobody else is entitled to an opinion..... and the opinions of your 'experts' are only opinions.  The High Court of Australia long ago deemed that any expert opinion must be supported and substantiated by facts..... when entering new territory it is mandatory to wait long enough to actually gather facts... across the board, and not just within an echo chamber of self-interest. Eat the bitter chocolate.....  You can't just come in here, attack everyone in sight with your filthy name-calling and insults, and expect to just walk away, sonny ... you Nazi. No puberty blockers until puberty is over!!! You dumb vunt Your granddaughters will be offended at your claim that the worst male sportsman is better than the best female They already think you're filth though You're entitled to an opinion.  I am entitled to discuss and expose your hate.  Dumbass I have buried you in facts, old man You have yet to present one fact - only abuse and insult.  I warned you about your language. No Puberty Blockers until they are old enough to know WTF they are on about.  Allow nature to take its course and see if it cures the problem.  Easiest way. By definition they are NEVER old enough to make informed decisions about PUBERTY blockers (aka chemical castration). It is a terrible thing to inflict on deluded but physically healthy young people.

Fair point - if they never mature, how can they ever arrive at a fully informed decision?  People aren't allowed to have sex with minors, you can't have sex with a drunk woman, no informed consent, but it's OK to give them such drastic medications and not even consult parents?

When did the state ever take over responsibility for raising children and do a good job of it?

I hope Albo* is listening to all this - this really needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency and not along the same lines as 'gay marriage' - how many kids was it, Shorten, who killed themselves because they couldn't marry?  Nowhere even old enough to marry.... YTF would it be a worry to them?

Just emotion based hyperbole to play to the limited audience.

If that's Labor these days - no thanks.

* I'm pleased so far that he is being the stabiliser in all the madness of crowds thinking they are going to get everything they demand regardless of everyone and everything else... he needs to resist the madness of those who think they have all rights and everyone else none - we've seen such here lately... enough to give a dire warning about allowing those kinds anywhere near the controls of power.

The power of the province government stops at the village gates - Vietnamese saying...

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 9:24am:

Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans.

Back in your fact-free zone, I see.

None of that is actually true.

Being trans is not 'bogus', and nor is it the work of 'charlatans' or 'The Left'.

And 'gender reassignment' has been around for a lot longer than John Money (yes, I
researched it - he popularised the word 'gender', not the actual concept itself). Before
surgery was available, trans people used prosthetic breasts and penises - and many
still do. Trans women, for example, often use the very same prosthetic breasts that
women who have undergone mastectomies use, and many sex-toy stores sell fake
penises.

Surgery is NOT mandatory in order to be trans, nor should it be.

As you'd know if you put ANY effort at all into researching the subject, instead of simply
repeating debunked and discredited claims interspersed with outright bigotry.

You ARE going to die on this hill, one way or the other, because FTLW and I are basing
our posts on facts and experience rather than on bigotry and wilful lack of knowledge.

It's up to you whether it will be quick and clean, or drawn-out and gory. Sadly, you seem
to wish it to be the latter.

Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood.
It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!"
That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way.
Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 11:04am:

No Puberty Blockers until eighteen!!

Thereby rendering them useless for purpose.

You really didn't think that through, did you?

I also have to wonder at the fact that in every post you repeatedly refer to trans people as
'trannies' - despite knowing perfectly well that both transgender people AND cross-dressers
consider it an obsolete, derogatory and offensive term.

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:10pm:

Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right.

But it IS 'normal'.

Trans people have been around for as long as people have.

And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the
uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:03pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:24am: Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans. Back in your fact-free zone, I see. None of that is actually true. Being trans is not 'bogus', and nor is it the work of 'charlatans' or 'The Left'. And 'gender reassignment' has been around for a lot longer than John Money (yes, I researched it - he popularised the word 'gender', not the actual concept itself). Before surgery was available, trans people used prosthetic breasts and penises - and many still do. Trans women, for example, often use the very same prosthetic breasts that women who have undergone mastectomies use, and many sex-toy stores sell fake penises. Surgery is NOT mandatory in order to be trans, nor should it be. As you'd know if you put ANY effort at all into researching the subject, instead of simply repeating debunked and discredited claims interspersed with outright bigotry. You ARE going to die on this hill, one way or the other, because FTLW and I are basing our posts on facts and experience rather than on bigotry and wilful lack of knowledge. It's up to you whether it will be quick and clean, or drawn-out and gory. Sadly, you seem to wish it to be the latter.

There is no "hill" here, kat.

You cannot thought-control and make people believe nonsense, no matter how often you call them bigots.

Just because a bloke thinks he's a woman - Napoleon, handsome, Korean, persecuted,  God's instrument on Earth or whatever - does not make him so. And just because he thinks of himself in a particular way is no obligation on anyone else to agree with his own estimation of himself.

Calling people bigots is a very weak position, it is shorthand for "I can't think of anything which upsets me so I'll call you a bigot by way of the best defence is attack".
Same with all the other tired slogans that are routinely substituted for reasoning: racist, fascist,  right wing  and the rest of it.

Blokes are blokes, not women, and women are not blokes but women.  One  can be indulgent but that doesnt change the obvious.
As the tale illustrates, you cannot convince everyone that a naked Emperor is sumptuously clothed. Not even by calling g them bigots.

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

There is no "hill" here, kat. You cannot thought-control and make people believe nonsense, no matter how often you call them bigots. Just because a bloke thinks he's a woman - Napoleon, handsome, Korean, persecuted,  God's instrument on Earth or whatever - does not make him so. And just because he thinks of himself in a particular way is no obligation on anyone else to agree with his own estimation of himself. Calling people bigots is a very weak position, it is shorthand for "I can't think of anything which upsets me so I'll call you a bigot by way of the best defence is attack". Same with all the other tired slogans that are routinely substituted for reasoning: racist, fascist,  right wing  and the rest of it. Blokes are blokes, not women, and women are not blokes but women.  One  can be indulgent but that doesnt change the obvious. As the tale illustrates, you cannot convince everyone that a naked Emperor is sumptuously clothed. Not even by calling g them bigots.

Trans people think that you're wrong.  Scientists and medical experts think that you're wrong.  You're scared to discuss if you are wrong.  So, let's face it. You're wrong.


Ultimately the issue is this - you don't have any trans friends.  Why are you insisting on the right to go out of your way to upset strangers by misgendering them? That's not a rational, or calm position.  It's blind hate.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:16pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:10pm: Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it IS 'normal'. Trans people have been around for as long as people have. And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you.

Just because something has occurred for a long time doesn't make it normal.   People have been born with severe handicaps - it doesn't make it normal.

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:22pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:16pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:10pm: Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it IS 'normal'. Trans people have been around for as long as people have. And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you. Just because something has occurred for a long time doesn't make it normal.   People have been born with severe handicaps - it doesn't make it normal.

Being trans is normal, it's not a handicap. But yes, the fact people have been born trans and born handicapped all along proves that both are normal variations in the human experience.  Duh

Frank wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:03pm: Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 9:24am: Gender is a grammatical term. Feminine, masculine, neuter - he she it. No others. Human 'gender' is a recent invention by John Money. From this invention came 'gender reassignment' (as if your birth 'gender' was something 'assigned' to you by an unnamed, ignorant bureaucrat), a correction that an all-wise doctor can now 'reassign', by using hormones and surgery. It's completely bogus. It's the invention and work of charlatans. Back in your fact-free zone, I see. None of that is actually true. Being trans is not 'bogus', and nor is it the work of 'charlatans' or 'The Left'. And 'gender reassignment' has been around for a lot longer than John Money (yes, I researched it - he popularised the word 'gender', not the actual concept itself). Before surgery was available, trans people used prosthetic breasts and penises - and many still do. Trans women, for example, often use the very same prosthetic breasts that women who have undergone mastectomies use, and many sex-toy stores sell fake penises. Surgery is NOT mandatory in order to be trans, nor should it be. As you'd know if you put ANY effort at all into researching the subject, instead of simply repeating debunked and discredited claims interspersed with outright bigotry. You ARE going to die on this hill, one way or the other, because FTLW and I are basing our posts on facts and experience rather than on bigotry and wilful lack of knowledge. It's up to you whether it will be quick and clean, or drawn-out and gory. Sadly, you seem to wish it to be the latter. There is no "hill" here, kat. You cannot thought-control and make people believe nonsense, no matter how often you call them bigots. Just because a bloke thinks he's a woman - Napoleon, handsome, Korean, persecuted,  God's instrument on Earth or whatever - does not make him so. And just because he thinks of himself in a particular way is no obligation on anyone else to agree with his own estimation of himself. Calling people bigots is a very weak position, it is shorthand for "I can't think of anything which upsets me so I'll call you a bigot by way of the best defence is attack". Same with all the other tired slogans that are routinely substituted for reasoning: racist, fascist,  right wing  and the rest of it. Blokes are blokes, not women, and women are not blokes but women.  One  can be indulgent but that doesnt change the obvious. As the tale illustrates, you cannot convince everyone that a naked Emperor is sumptuously clothed. Not even by calling g them bigots.

Look - you, Frankly, have no idea what you're wittering about.

The very tone of your comments, and that you constantly try (and fail) to refute the
facts that I and others have posted is a good indication that bigotry is in play. As is
trying to align trans people with 'the Left', and making silly references to 'thought
control' as if it's some kind of conspiracy.

There's a hill, all right - and you're floundering.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:22pm: Kat wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:16pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:10pm: Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it IS 'normal'. Trans people have been around for as long as people have. And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you. Just because something has occurred for a long time doesn't make it normal.   People have been born with severe handicaps - it doesn't make it normal. Being trans is normal, it's not a handicap. But yes, the fact people have been born trans and born handicapped all along proves that both are normal variations in the human experience.  Duh

Know what cracks me up?

This lot probably interact with trans people quite regularly, if not on a daily basis, and they are
none the wiser. Which is strange, considering they reckon trans people are 'obviously trans' and
that 'they can tell' if someone is or is not.

I wonder what criteria they use in these judgements?

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:41pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:24pm: Frank wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:22pm: Kat wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:16pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:10pm: Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it IS 'normal'. Trans people have been around for as long as people have. And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you. Just because something has occurred for a long time doesn't make it normal.   People have been born with severe handicaps - it doesn't make it normal. Being trans is normal, it's not a handicap. But yes, the fact people have been born trans and born handicapped all along proves that both are normal variations in the human experience.  Duh Know what cracks me up? This lot probably interact with trans people quite regularly, if not on a daily basis, and they are none the wiser. Which is strange, considering they reckon trans people are 'obviously trans' and that 'they can tell' if someone is or is not. I wonder what criteria they use in these judgements?

Er... face recognition. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2022 at 3:16pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 15th, 2022 at 3:10pm: Then why try to push the agenda on everyone that it is 'normal' when it clearly isn't? It's like trying to plane against the grain in wood. It's as bad as that Gay referendum that the Media promoted "If you don't vote 'Yes' - then you are a homo-phobic redneck!" That's a nasty accusation to make of Australian people for fear of not getting your own 'Gay' way. Like I said. I threw my Ref-letter in the mail, straight into the bin. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it IS 'normal'. Trans people have been around for as long as people have. And they're not 'pushing an agenda' - they're pushing for an end to the uneducated bigotry and ignorance displayed by the likes of you.

Maybe they deserve to be disliked, just like Nazi's are.
Maybe they are 'wrong', but just can't accept the fact that they are making a mistake.
Maybe they deserve the same bigotry that smokers, alcoholics and drug addicts get.
Maybe they deserve the same dislike corrupt cops get?
Maybe they just need to accept the fact that they've gone the 'wrong' way.

Two women (lesbians) void the natural procreative ability by their same-sex relationship - but then use 'medical' intervention to justify having kids. Just doesn't make sense on the motive of same-sex in the first place and using Medicine as a cop-out. Wanna have a kid? Then go out and find the opposite sex. Contradictive, hypocritical and denial.

Trans are so few and far between it is highly unlikely anyone will come across one in real life - over a lifetime.  I've come across 1.5 - one was just a gay guy doing it for the 'look at me' .... utter bullshit - but he had a job counseling poofs at a nice return, thank you... the other was clearly a nut case.... some say due to the drugs - to which the instant retort is - why then give them the drugs?  Same as that Enmore Axe Tranny saying it was the drogs that drove hir to it.... then recanting on being a tranny while in prison...