lets see a bmw or audi do this


https://www.news.com.au/technology/mans-1993-toyota-corolla-car-hits-two-million-kilometre-milestone/news-story/2f09951cdcac40d225a088a907366ae6

That's a stand out rather than normal but if any car can do it, Toyota. 20 timing belts tho ;)

Less reliable cars will start to resemble The ship of Theseus

WOW !!!!!!!!


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.......  A newspaper delivery contractor since the 1960s, Hebley’s Corolla ticked over the two million kilometre mark earlier in the month, the New Zealand Herald reports. Hebley drives around 5000km a week as part of his job, so gets the car serviced every two weeks.     .......

Regular servicing. Drive it carefully.

I think mazdas are as good.

I bet he keeps a logbook and gets a big tax return at the end of the financial year. I have had my second-hand car for the last 8 years and it has added just over 140,000km in the last 8 years. It ticked over 190,000 km a few weeks back. There is no way that my car is going to make it to half a million, let alone 2 million km.

Even 5,000km per week driving should not mean you need to get your car serviced any more than every 6 months. The old (POS) 1983 Daihatsu I drove in my teens only needed a once every after winter service.

Toyotas are really good. The Corolla is probably the cheapest most reliable car to own.

Scotty is pretty good a no BS type of guy check out his videos on faults with Mercedes and BMW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgYh04a0OM

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 28^th, 2022 at 9:14pm:

Toyotas are really good. The Corolla is probably the cheapest most reliable car to own. Scotty is pretty good a no BS type of guy check out his videos on faults with Mercedes and BMW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgYh04a0OM

scotty is usually on the money.

i approach cars in a very similar way.

new technology is usually just over engineering and creates built in redundancy.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:53pm:

scotty is usually on the money. i approach cars in a very similar way. new technology is usually just over engineering and creates built in redundancy.

With aircraft built in redundancy means a separate system to take over if main one fails. They have a backup system to deal with failures.

A friend with AMG Merecedes has just had ABS/Traction control/stability control fault light up on dashboard after rain car was submerged up to wheel hub on passenger side while parked.

Mercedes want $335 to plug diagnostic scanner in just to tell him what the fault is. It's a 5 minute job to plug scanner in to read fault codes.

Some new cars have fuel filter inside fuel tank which turns a 5 minute job into a major shitfight when you have to drop the tank to replace a filter.

All our cars are Toyota.

Other than a recall for an improperly calibrated early crash detection system, they've not skipped a beat.

The Ute is still a Triton, but it's dumb enough that it doesn't matter.  It does its job and has also been a faithful steed, although it did split the turbo to intercooler hose and sheer off all the teeth on the Balance Shaft belt which for some reason isn't a chain...

It's actually cost a bit now that I think about it...

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 5:50am:

I bet he keeps a logbook and gets a big tax return at the end of the financial year. I have had my second-hand car for the last 8 years and it has added just over 140,000km in the last 8 years. It ticked over 190,000 km a few weeks back. There is no way that my car is going to make it to half a million, let alone 2 million km. Even 5,000km per week driving should not mean you need to get your car serviced any more than every 6 months. The old (POS) 1983 Daihatsu I drove in my teens only needed a once every after winter service.

I wish I did so few kays, I do nearly 1300k a week on field service!

Well, toyota have had a problem.
A known one for a long time


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........... The case against Toyota Australia alleges the diesel particulate filter fitted to the 2.8-litre turbo-diesel four-cylinder HiLux, Prado and Fortuner is defective. ..........

https://www.drive.com.au/news/class-action-filed-over-toyota-dpf-issues/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 17^th, 2022 at 1:02am:

Well, toyota have had a problem. A known one for a long time Quote: ........... The case against Toyota Australia alleges the diesel particulate filter fitted to the 2.8-litre turbo-diesel four-cylinder HiLux, Prado and Fortuner is defective. .......... https://www.drive.com.au/news/class-action-filed-over-toyota-dpf-issues/

I don't think this DPF issue is really Toyota specific these Toyotas have been the top selling vehicles for quite some time so more of them are being reported for this brand which gets ambulance chasing lawyers hopeful of making money involved.

Any diesel with a DPF will have problems if most of the driving is done in 10KPH peak hour traffic crawl along with picking kids up from school and going to shops to get milk. These engines aren't really suitable for short slow speed trips for some reason people think they are.


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What is DPF Regeneration? Every filter, regardless of what it is designed to trap, will have to be cleaned and emptied on a regular basis so that there is space to continue trapping more things. This process of cleaning and emptying a Diesel Particulate Filter is called DPF regeneration. The soot created by the process of combustion which is collected in the filter is burnt off to make sure that the filter does not become blocked and that it can carry on trapping more soot.The Diesel Particulate Filter needs to be heated to a very high temperature in order to burn off the particles of soot. This can be achieved in one of two ways: active regeneration or passive regeneration. Passive Regeneration When you drive for a long time at high speeds, the exhaust reaches very high temperatures. Driving at 70mph or above for a while will heat the exhaust enough to burn off the soot particles which have been trapped by the DPF. But most drivers to not drive at high speeds often enough or for enough time to rely on this passive regeneration to clear the DPF of soot particles. Active Regeneration Since many drivers do not use their cars to drive long distances on the motorway on a regular basis, manufacturers had to come up with a different way to clear the DPF of particles. They came up with a system in which active regeneration is activated when the amount of soot gathered in the DPF reaches a certain level. In most cars, this level is set at 45% of the DPF’s total capacity. When the soot gathered reaches this amount, it triggers the process of post combustion fuel injection which increases the temperature of the exhaust. This way, even if the car is not travelling at high speed, the exhaust becomes hot enough to burn off all of the soot which has collected in the DPF.If the active regeneration process is initiated, but you reach your destination before it has had time to burn off all of the soot, there is a possibility that the DPF warning light will appear on your dashboard. You should be able to clear this partial blockage simply by driving your car faster than 40 mph for roughly a quarter of an hour or so. https://www.autobutler.co.uk/wiki/dfp-regeneration

I wonder how many of these Toyota owners with DPF problems are living in inner city areas doing short trips and hardly ever going on a freeway.


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The DPF function of Autel MaxiDiag MD808 PRO The DPF function of Autel MaxiDiag MD808 PRO allows you to carry out numerous functions on the Diesel Particulate Filter system without having to send your car to a main dealer. The tool will manage DPF regeneration, DPF component replacement teach-in and DPF teach-in after replacing the engine control unit. ECM monitors driving style and selects a suitable time to employ regeneration. Cars driven a lot at idling speed and low load will attempt to regenerate earlier than cars driven more with high load and high speed. In order for regeneration to take place, a prolonged high exhaust temperature must be obtained. In the event of the car being driving in such a way that regeneration is not possible, i.e. frequent short journeys, a diagnostic trouble code will eventually be registered, DPF light and “Check Engine” indicator come on. A service regeneration can be requested in the workshop, using the diagnostic tool. http://autelscanner.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-dpf-function-of-autel-maxidiag.html

If the DPF light on dash lights up and doesn't go out it's about $100-250 for someone to plug a scanner in to tell you what is wrong.

quite right baron and the best thing to do is to remove the dpf filter, easily done , and hope some numptie doesnt catch you out.

dpf filters are possibly neccessary to reduce particles in the atmosphere in dehli or bejing but they are insane in australia.

there is some evidence that the burning of the soot down to smaller particles makes the particles even more damaging to lungs which is the issue.

the idea that a truck driving to perth or a tractor running at moree needs to burn its emissions (which uses more fule by the way) so its exhaust is a tiny bit less black is insane.

the extra cost of servicing and replacing the stupid things is environmentally a no win.

the same goes for the EGR valves on most turbo diesels.

blank them out or your engine will fill with clag.

and then you have to buy a new engine.
how does that help the environement

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 18^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

................  I don't think this DPF issue is really Toyota specific these Toyotas have been the top selling vehicles for quite some time so more of them are being reported for this brand which gets ambulance chasing lawyers hopeful of making money involved. Any diesel with a DPF will have problems if most of the driving is done in 10KPH peak hour traffic crawl along with picking kids up from school and going to shops to get milk. These engines aren't really suitable for short slow speed trips for some reason people think they are.  ...........

yes, I think it is not just the toyota DPFs that are problematic.
This is an Australian guarantee/warrantee legal quirk.
The product sold was not fit for the task.
A guarantee does not legally end at 1 year (or whatever) after purchase.
It is what is reasonable to expect.
eg, if you buy a tv for $150 and it fails after 14 months, that is reasonable.
For $150 you can't expect a lot.

If you buy a TV for $12,000 and it fails after 14 months, that is unreasonable.
For $12,000 you should expect a lot more than 14 months.

Well, I am a bit shattered here.
This thread was about how good Toyotas engineering was.

Now, the diesels (which were always suspect) are a proven failure.

And ....... this guy tested the diesel Landcruiser against the Patrol V8 petrol in a tow test.
The petrol was more fuel efficient.

This is before you consider the Toyota is much dearer to buy and much dearer to maintain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD001FCCG5c

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19^th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 7:39pm: ................  I don't think this DPF issue is really Toyota specific these Toyotas have been the top selling vehicles for quite some time so more of them are being reported for this brand which gets ambulance chasing lawyers hopeful of making money involved. Any diesel with a DPF will have problems if most of the driving is done in 10KPH peak hour traffic crawl along with picking kids up from school and going to shops to get milk. These engines aren't really suitable for short slow speed trips for some reason people think they are.  ........... yes, I think it is not just the toyota DPFs that are problematic. This is an Australian guarantee/warrantee legal quirk. The product sold was not fit for the task. A guarantee does not legally end at 1 year (or whatever) after purchase. It is what is reasonable to expect. eg, if you buy a tv for $150 and it fails after 14 months, that is reasonable. For $150 you can't expect a lot. If you buy a TV for $12,000 and it fails after 14 months, that is unreasonable. For $12,000 you should expect a lot more than 14 months.

Anyone who buys a diesel with DPF for short trips isn't buying a vehicle fit for purpose.

These vehicles need long drives with a bit of a thrashing to activate DPF.

Maybe people should educate themselves about what type of vehicle they should get.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2022 at 10:07pm:

Well, I am a bit shattered here. This thread was about how good Toyotas engineering was. Now, the diesels (which were always suspect) are a proven failure. And ....... this guy tested the diesel Landcruiser against the Patrol V8 petrol in a tow test. The petrol was more fuel efficient. This is before you consider the Toyota is much dearer to buy and much dearer to maintain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD001FCCG5c

Toyota engineering is still pretty good they have been the top selling cars here and just about everywhere for a while.

I would look a Ford Raptor if they made them in extra cab version. They will bring that out with petrol twin turbo V6 option.

As the old saying goes- " There is nothing quite like a V8" so unlikely to sell SS Torana despite getting absurd offers for it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2022 at 11:40pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2022 at 12:48pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 7:39pm: ................  I don't think this DPF issue is really Toyota specific these Toyotas have been the top selling vehicles for quite some time so more of them are being reported for this brand which gets ambulance chasing lawyers hopeful of making money involved. Any diesel with a DPF will have problems if most of the driving is done in 10KPH peak hour traffic crawl along with picking kids up from school and going to shops to get milk. These engines aren't really suitable for short slow speed trips for some reason people think they are.  ........... yes, I think it is not just the toyota DPFs that are problematic. This is an Australian guarantee/warrantee legal quirk. The product sold was not fit for the task. A guarantee does not legally end at 1 year (or whatever) after purchase. It is what is reasonable to expect. eg, if you buy a tv for $150 and it fails after 14 months, that is reasonable. For $150 you can't expect a lot. If you buy a TV for $12,000 and it fails after 14 months, that is unreasonable. For $12,000 you should expect a lot more than 14 months. Anyone who buys a diesel with DPF for short trips isn't buying a vehicle fit for purpose. These vehicles need long drives with a bit of a thrashing to activate DPF. Maybe people should educate themselves about what type of vehicle they should get.

yes

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2022 at 11:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30th, 2022 at 10:07pm: Well, I am a bit shattered here. This thread was about how good Toyotas engineering was. Now, the diesels (which were always suspect) are a proven failure. And ....... this guy tested the diesel Landcruiser against the Patrol V8 petrol in a tow test. The petrol was more fuel efficient. This is before you consider the Toyota is much dearer to buy and much dearer to maintain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD001FCCG5c Toyota engineering is still pretty good they have been the top selling cars here and just about everywhere for a while. I would look a Ford Raptor if they made them in extra cab version. They will bring that out with petrol twin turbo V6 option. As the old saying goes- " There is nothing quite like a V8" so unlikely to sell SS Torana despite getting absurd offers for it.

i would say that the guy who did the patrol v landcruiser comparison got a big bribe from nissan because they arent even comparable.

the nissan is a rolling pile of junk and nissan is broke.
same goes for the dodge ram.

the raptor (a beefed up ranger) was quite popular with the local farmers for a while but they are going back to toyotas.

mainly the diesel cruisers.

they arent cheap.

i had an old hilux (2.8litre diesel , non turbo) which my son rolled.
we cut the roof off, put on a roll bar and used it around the farm for years.
iteventually fot a log thru the foot well which was scarey and i got rid of it but still got 3,500 for it as people just love those engines.

its a shame they dont make an old fashioned reliable basic 4wd.

i think , when china finally gets its act together they would do well to roll out something basic.

the subaru brumby was popular with farmers as a cheap basic carry-all.

i dont really want to shell out 100 k for a landcruiser ute to run bales of hay around the joint. (and those little polaris and kawasaki mules arent that durable)

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Toyota Australia has today announced that it will initiate a safety recall involving Toyota Kluger Hybrid, RAV4 Hybrid, LandCruiser 300 and Mirai vehicles produced between March 2021 - April 2022 (inclusive). There are approximately 26,000 vehicles involved in the Australian market.

https://www.citytoyota.net.au/news/toyota-australia-recalls-vehicles-due-to-vehicle-stability-system-software/