Admiral Chris Barrie says Peter Dutton stops Defence personnel talking about climate change   :(
March 18 2022
Canberra Times


During a speech at the Fenner Conference on sustainable agriculture on Thursday, the admiral said Defence Force personnel have been gagged from speaking about climate change by the Defence Minister, Peter Dutton.

Admiral Barrie said in his meetings with defence personnel, many of them were interested in the topic of climate change and "most of them would like to be out there speaking - but they are not allowed to unless they go through Dutton's office".   :(

He also condemned the politicisation of climate change, saying it should not be a "left-right issue".





The Canberra Times previously reported Chief of the Defence Force General Angus Campbell and department secretary Greg Moriarty had released instructions to the military and public servants telling them "not to be distracted" from their "primary mission".

Defence Minister Peter Dutton has also issued directives to his department and serving military to stop pursuing a "woke agenda".

When questioned about the delayed ADF support to flood-affected areas like Lismore, Admiral Barrie said ADF procedures are only in place for rapid overseas deployment during natural disasters such as Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines in 2013. The ADF provided humanitarian assistance in that instance, but lacks similar procedures for domestic disasters.




Former Liberal leader John Hewson was also in attendance at the event, and criticised the lack of political leadership on climate change.

He made reference to the "politicisation of disaster payments" in flood-affected areas like Ballina, Byron and Tweed, which were previously not eligible for the federal government's disaster payments.

The Department of Defence was approached for comment.

Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X

whiteknight wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:36am:

Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X

Two reasons:
1.  It is not for Admirals to hold forth about things that they have no expertise in - like climate science, gender, etc.
2.  These are POLITICAL matters, and therefore NOT for serving ADF personnel to publicly take a political position on.

whiteknight wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 8:36am:

Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X

To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

Hey everyone!!!! See that naive comment by Gwoggy Bwian?

That's 100% false.

Let me explain why. The vested interests he's referring to are not conservative at all. They are shared. The key stakeholders in coal, gas, oil etc include those who are far left, left,  centre , right, far right.

It has SFA to do with political orientation.

The fact that a full time cyber multi troll like Gwoggy/Bwian doesn't know that ....means he's getting too old to understand much these days.

Gwoggy I dub you :

"Grandpa Groggy"

Or

"Gwandpa Gwoggy"

Thanks for the laughs 😂🤣😆

Just think of all those unions being outed as " conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas" through their super funds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Just think of all those unions being outed as " conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas" through their super funds. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ouch 👌

It's not Barries job, or that of any ADF personnel to be taking about climate change, or any other non-defence topic in an official capacity.  He is typical of the snowflakes that have made their way into the upper echelons of the ADF by virtue of their politcal correctness rather than their professional ability.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

And what is wrong with investing in natural resources?

What about jobs in these industries: https://me.cfmeu.org.au/
Speech to Sydney Institute by Tony Maher, 27 November 2019

National President Tony Maher said in a speech delivered to the Sydney Institute: 'As leader of the union representing Australian coal miners and power workers, the climate challenge has been on my radar for a very long time. There is so much at stake for members, their families and communities in getting climate policy right. So it is beyond disheartening to witness the destruction of good policy and the degradation of the debate over the past decade.

In the absence of a coherent and economy-wide energy and climate strategy, we instead have entrenched Climate Wars where coal is the only villain and many participants have reflexive rather than rational positions.'



He's onto you, turd.

Frank wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 11:02am: whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. And what is wrong with investing in natural resources?

I dunno.  Did someone say there was a problem?

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change?

A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

This is just an indisputable fact.

I didn't say anything about problems - I just presented a factual answer.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact.

Nope. It isn't. The Defence Force has to be SEEN to be above politics. ::)

Climate change is a political fact.

If not then eg Brisbane's 1893 flood levels should have been less than recent. So current theory tells us, according to the media (bow down to the media - they know all)..

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:24pm: Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact. Nope. It isn't. The Defence Force has to be SEEN to be above politics. ::)

And it's illegal to murder someone, yet it happens every day.

The answer to the question is: To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

If you believe anything else, you are truly deluded my friend.  Truly deluded.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

And it's illegal to murder someone, yet it happens every day.

So n ow murder is a political fact? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:38pm: And it's illegal to murder someone, yet it happens every day. So n ow murder is a political fact? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not sure where you got that from.

I'm merely showing you how ridiculous and naive your response was.

Just because something "has to" be done, it doesn't mean it happens.

The answer to the question is: To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

If you believe anything else, you are truly deluded my friend.  Truly deluded, and possibly insane.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:

I'm merely showing you how ridiculous and naive your response was.

{Poor petal Simply doesn't understand. ;D ;D ;D


greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:

The answer to the question is: To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

As proved by the union super funds. ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://i.imgflip.com/698cx6.jpg

Too cute. Which one represents union super funds? ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

lee wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:24pm: Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact. Nope. It isn't. The Defence Force has to be SEEN to be above politics. ::) And it's illegal to murder someone, yet it happens every day. The answer to the question is: To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. If you believe anything else, you are truly deluded my friend.  Truly deluded.

God you really are getting old! Too many years cyber multi trolling has fried your last brain cell.

The fact that you've convinced yourself that ONLY conservatives have a vested interest in fossil fuel technology means you don't know much about stocks and shares and where well known major/minor stake holders invest.

In short .... you're pushing sh1t out of your orifice. Again.

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:41pm: I'm merely showing you how ridiculous and naive your response was. {Poor petal Simply doesn't understand. ;D ;D ;D greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:41pm: The answer to the question is: To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. As proved by the union super funds. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lee...my dear friend

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 1:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 11:02am: whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. And what is wrong with investing in natural resources? I dunno.  Did someone say there was a problem? All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement). Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact. I didn't say anything about problems - I just presented a factual answer.

Sooooo...... what's wrong with investing in natural resources, shifty turd???

Frank wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 1:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 11:02am: whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. And what is wrong with investing in natural resources? I dunno.  Did someone say there was a problem? All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement). Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact. I didn't say anything about problems - I just presented a factual answer. Sooooo...... what's wrong with investing in natural resources, shifty turd???

Frank...

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Frank wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 10:49am:

whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X Two reasons: 1.  It is not for Admirals to hold forth about things that they have no expertise in - like climate science, gender, etc. 2.  These are POLITICAL matters, and therefore NOT for serving ADF personnel to publicly take a political position on.

1. everyone is allowed an opinion on climate change. That they are admirals does not remove them from society at large.

2. Climate change is NOT a political matter, it's an environmental and scientific matter. That the libs have politicised it shows just how dishonest they are.

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 4:55pm:

As proved by the union super funds

When did unions issue gag orders on their members to not discuss climate change?

Belgarion wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

It's not Barries job, or that of any ADF personnel to be taking about climate change, or any other non-defence topic in an official capacity.  He is typical of the snowflakes that have made their way into the upper echelons of the ADF by virtue of their politcal correctness rather than their professional ability.

What you said.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

lee wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

Too cute. Which one represents union super funds? ;)

What's with all the Union/Industry super fund bagging?

They consistently out perform private sector funds hands down.

All the kerfuffle by  conservatives about Industry Super funds fees that are charged being used to support Unions & the Labor Party is just petty jealousies because fact is Private sector funds charge much higher fees & return less to members.

The biggest thieves in the country are the Big 4 banks & AMP & co.

And they want to get their grubby mitts on the Super pot in Industry/Union funds.

They & the Morrison govt who want to give them control of all Super funds can get stuffed.

Gnads wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 11:15am:

What's with all the Union/Industry super fund bagging?

I am not bagging super funds at all. Gweggy insists that all the investors in fossil fuels are conservatives.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

When did unions issue gag orders on their members to not discuss climate change?

Are they supposed to be above politics? No. So just a far reaching strawman comment. ::)

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:01pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 11:15am: What's with all the Union/Industry super fund bagging? I am not bagging super funds at all. Gweggy insists that all the investors in fossil fuels are conservatives.

Show me the quote where I said that.

Frank wrote on Mar 19^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 4:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 1:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 11:02am: whiteknight wrote on Mar 19th, 2022 at 8:36am: Why should people be gagged about speaking about climate change?.   :-X To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. And what is wrong with investing in natural resources? I dunno.  Did someone say there was a problem? All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement). Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. This is just an indisputable fact. I didn't say anything about problems - I just presented a factual answer. Sooooo...... what's wrong with investing in natural resources, shifty turd???

I dunno.  Did someone say there's something wrong?

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change?

A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

This is just an indisputable fact.

I didn't say anything about investing being wrong - I just presented a factual answer.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

1. everyone is allowed an opinion on climate change.

Agree.


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

That they are admirals does not remove them from society at large.

Agree But their opinions are not to be used for political purposes. ::)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

2. Climate change is NOT a political matter, it's an environmental and scientific matter.

It SHOULD be an environmental and scientific matter. BUT it is used as a political football, The IPCC itself says that RCP8.5 and SSP8.5 are most unlikely and yet there reports are dominated by RCP8.5 SSP8.5 scenarios. According to CO2 theory the effect of increasing CO2 is a logarithmically decreasing effect. They can't even bring down the postulated effect after more than 40 years of "climate science".


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

That the libs have politicised it shows just how dishonest they are.

So you don't know that it was Labor who politicised it under Ste Julia with the "carbon tax"? What was it supposed to do? Australia as shown by China's TANSat, Japan's GOSAT and NASA's OCO is a carbon sink. That makes a carbon tax political. It makes "net zero" political.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 10:36am: When did unions issue gag orders on their members to not discuss climate change? Are they supposed to be above politics? No. So just a far reaching strawman comment. ::)

the only strawman comments are yours. Why you think the unions are even relevant to this discussion who the bugger knows. This is about Mr Potatoe head gagging defense personnel.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Agree But their opinions are not to be used for political purposes. Roll Eyes

Its the libs who are politicising the debate. There is no reason for defense personal to not speak out for environmental and scientific purposes

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

Why you think the unions are even relevant to this discussion who the bugger knows.

So you admit you don't know why you brought unions into the argument. Goodo.
John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

There is no reason for defense personal to not speak out for environmental and scientific purposes

Are they climate scientists as well? That is generally the mantra by lefties when it comes to the environment and climate science. Only climate scientists apparently have the knowledge. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I see you don't want to defend Ste Julia. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

So you don't know that it was Labor who politicised it under Ste Julia with the "carbon tax"?

The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea. And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections. That in itself does not mean they have politicized the debate. Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue. The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

So you admit you don't know why you brought unions into the argument.

are you on drugs? You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so.


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

Are they climate scientists as well?

they don't need to be. Unlike the libs, they can actually listen to the scientists and then decide how it affects them and what they do all on their own. They don't need mining companies to tell them.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

I see you don't want to defend Ste Julia.

there no need to defend her. It's not my fault you have no idea what you are one about  The carbon tax was a liberal party idea. Julia adopted it. That's as far away from politicising an idea as you can get.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea.

And LABOR acted on it..


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections.

But the fact remains  Australia is a carbon sink, which we now know. Before it was assumed that Australia was a net source.


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue.

None come to mind. So as you are so knowledgeable please name a few. ;)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

So  LABOR doesn't have an ideology.  Small "t" Target. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:35pm:

The carbon tax was a liberal party idea. Julia adopted it.

So Ste Julia had a unique ability to screw up based on ideology. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

And LABOR acted on it..

instead of politicing it ... see, you're finally catching on


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

But the fact remains  Australia is a carbon sink, which we now know

moving goal posts again ... surprise  ;D ;D


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

None come to mind.

china for starters :D :D


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

So  LABOR doesn't have an ideology.

again, moving goal posts to run away from what was actually said :D :D :Di

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so.

The point was petal that Gweggy said it was conservatives who had shares in fossil fuel companies. But that was too deep for you. And then you asked about gagging them - to which I pointed out they have license to do so unlike the military who may hold opinions but are not allowed to broadcast them. ::)

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

instead of politicing it

By legislating it they did politicise it. ::)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

china for starters

So you want a communist rule to achieve it? Where citizens don't have the right to protest? Beside of course China being the BIGGEST CO2 emitter on the planet.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

By legislating it they did politicise it.

yes.


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

So you want a communist rule to achieve it?

why is it that you always ask dumb questions, then when you are given an answer you always pretend the answer says something other than what it says?

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 12:32pm: You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so. The point was petal that Gweggy said it was conservatives who had shares in fossil fuel companies.

I didn't say only conservatives.  That's just a lie you fabricated.

To recap:

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change?

A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

I didn't say only conservatives.  That's just a lie you fabricated.

Poor petal. And it doesn't negate unions being conservative according to your meme. ;)


greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Only according to your belief system. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:52am: By legislating it they did politicise it. yes.

So now you agree LABOR politicised it. Thanks for that.


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

why is it that you always ask dumb questions, then when you are given an answer you always pretend the answer says something other than what it says?

Why do you want a communist state?

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

So now you agree LABOR politicised it.

you do know what governments are supposed to do right?


lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

Why do you want a communist state?

why do you want to stay stupid? Surely it's in your best interests to try to better yourself?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

The real answer is he’s an ex-Qld officer of the law.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:14pm:

lee wrote Today at 12:15pm: So now you agree LABOR politicised it. you do know what governments are supposed to do right?

You were the one originally said Labor had not politicised it. ::)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:35pm:

That's as far away from politicising an idea as you can get.

::)

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:

You were the one originally said Labor had not politicised it. Roll Eyes

they hadn't .... they formed policy based on what the scientists told them. That's what governments are supposed to do. If you want to pretend forming a policy based on the advice from the experts is politicising it then fine, you can make that claim, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

they hadn't .... they formed policy based on what the scientists told them.

That's not what you said -


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:52am: By legislating it they did politicise it. yes.

Do make up your mind petal. ;)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:38pm:

If you want to pretend forming a policy based on the advice from the experts is politicising it then fine, you can make that claim, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously

You are the one agreed petal. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 1:40pm: Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change? A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas. The real answer is he’s an ex-Qld officer of the law.

 
Yes ... but there's been more bent & murdering coppers in Sydney(NSW) & Melbourne(Vic) than the whole of QLD historically or any other state or territory for that matter.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

That's not what you said -

the highlighted bit below is what I said . Anything after that was just my proving your stupidity ... again.



John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea. And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections. That in itself does not mean they have politicized the debate. Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue. The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

John Smith wrote Today at 11:04am: lee wrote Today at 10:52am: By legislating it they did politicise it. yes.

That is what you said. Stop lying.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 7:52pm:

lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 5:17pm: John Smith wrote Today at 11:04am: lee wrote Today at 10:52am: By legislating it they did politicise it. yes. That is what you said. Stop lying.

::) ::)


John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 6:33pm:

Anything after that was just my proving your stupidity ... again.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 6:33pm:

lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 5:17pm: That's not what you said - the highlighted bit below is what I said . Anything after that was just my proving your stupidity ... again. John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2022 at 12:30pm: The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea. And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections. That in itself does not mean they have politicized the debate. Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue. The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

A policy IS a political issue. It is an instrument of governance.

Don't try to be thicker than you naturally are already, Gino. Words do not mean what YOU choose them to mean.