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Message started by JaSin. on Jan 17th, 2022 at 9:40pm

Title: Europe v Russia v China
Post by JaSin. on Jan 17th, 2022 at 9:40pm
I said years ago and still do - it will be war between Russia and China.
Why?

Well Russia can't fight on two fronts.
Russia has been pressured by Europe via Ukraine to become more 'Pro-European'.
But to do so would mean 'Anti-Asian' - the final straw for China from its former ally come 'traitor'.
NATO has stacked all borders with Russia, Ukraine is not alone.

Even if Russia fights Europe - it would present an irresistible opportunity for China too. Who knows, China might be an 'ally' to Europe 'under-the-table'.

Regardless. Russia is f*ucked! Putin will run away and hide like Rasputin did, when the shyte went down. Russia will plead with the USA to help (fight China), but only North Korea could bring the USA into the fray - much to China's anger.


Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by JaSin. on Jan 17th, 2022 at 9:43pm
...as you can see with my nil military experience, I know way more than boring Brian. ;) *yawn

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Bobby. on Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:04pm
Putin is a warmonger -

no country would dare to attack Russia.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 18th, 2022 at 1:33am
The interesting point is the overlapping 'spheres of influence', of Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, with China and Russia.

This is the 'edge', and these countries and the 'autonomous province', while 'poor' in the sense that the common person does not earn a lot (about $750 a month) while the top boys do (nothing new), are rich in resources most especially including petroleum.

Two things are of interest - the classic divide between a resource rich nation/state which should be able to supply prosperity to all, and the reality that most of the cash goes to the self-appointed few* - and the fact that these resources are at the meeting point of these two great 'communist' nations.**

There lies the genesis of serious potential future conflict... again over control of resources.

I may be headed there this year, but at the moment entry is closed ..... though apparently airline services still run there from India and a few other nations.

* this is the root cause of the unrest seen recently in Kazakhstan, with the common folk being commanded to bear the burden of higher fuel costs on their $750 a month to support the profiteers at the top... more of a 'people power' movement than a religious or other kind of revolt... a bit like Xinjiang and the Falun Gong, no?

** bring on 'the great divide' to explain to we peons the delusion of our personal sovereignty v the state, while those at the top of the state, run along the lines he loves, are totally into personal sovereignty and capitalism for their own profiteering from the sweat and blood of their people who will be forced to comply .....

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Frank on Feb 21st, 2022 at 8:30am
MOSCOW, February 18. /TASS/. Russia and China are developing an intergovernmental agreement on the supply of coal in the amount of 100 million tonnes, Head of Department of Foreign Economic Cooperation and Fuel Markets Development at the Russian Energy Ministry Sergey Mochalnikov announced on Friday.

Mochalnikov recalled that in October 2021, Russia and India signed a memorandum on the supply of 40 mln tonnes of coal to India as part of the Russian Energy Week. "Now an intergovernmental agreement with the People's Republic of China is being developed, and the figure is 100 mln tonnes," he said.

"In the coming years, consumers should receive as much coal as they need," Mochalnikov said.

Mochalnikov also noted that Russian coal exports have very good prospects due to reduced supply on the world market. In addition, according to him, in the past 5-6 years, the Asia-Pacific market has been a priority export destination for Russia against the growing demand for coal in this region. "We have good prospects until 2030, and Russia should take its share in this growing market," he added.
https://tass.com/economy/1405789


Closing Australian powerplants will make a hugd difference, boys and girs. Oh, yes. Adam Bandt knows best.




Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Frank on Mar 1st, 2022 at 3:47pm
NYT’s Hannah-Jones Claims ‘Racialized’ Bias Coverage of Russia Invasion Due to Ukrainians’ ‘White’ Appearance[/size]

Left-wing New York Times reporter and controversial 1619 Project creator Nikole Hannah-Jones was slammed online after accusing journalists covering the Russian invasion into Ukraine of “racialized analysis and language” in their reporting, indicating their “sympathy” for white victims of conflict and refugees in particular while claiming Europe is a fictional continent intended to separate it from non-“civilized” nations.

On Sunday, Hannah-Jones, author of the debunked New York Times 1619 Project, called on fellow journalists to “look internally” regarding acknowledging their racial biases in their coverage of the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine.
[url]Left-wing New York Times reporter and controversial 1619 Project creator Nikole Hannah-Jones was slammed online after accusing journalists covering the Russian invasion into Ukraine of “racialized analysis and language” in their reporting, indicating their “sympathy” for white victims of conflict and refugees in particular while claiming Europe is a fictional continent intended to separate it from non-“civilized” nations.

On Sunday, Hannah-Jones, author of the debunked New York Times 1619 Project, called on fellow journalists to “look internally” regarding acknowledging their racial biases in their coverage of the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine.


Later in the day, Hannah-Jones called the European continent a “geopolitical fiction” intended to separate it from Asia and which led to the “alarm” over an invasion of people who “are like us.”

“What if I told you Europe is not a continent by defintion, but a geopolitical fiction to separate it from Asia and so the alarm about a European, or civilized, or First World nation being invaded is a dog whistle to tell us we should care because they are like us,” she asked.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/28/nyts-hannah-jones-claims-racialized-bias-coverage-russia-invasion-due-ukrainians-white-appearance/


Its like that other tinted bint, Whiney Goldberg, saying the holocaust wasnt about race coz Joos are white.
For such bints EVERYTHING is about race, ALWAYS. (Except when arguing, like Bbwian, that there is no such thing as race, only white racism).



Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by JaSin. on Mar 1st, 2022 at 8:28pm
War is Racism... and Culturalism.

Media described the Yugoslavian War as 'Croats and Serbs' (national) v Moslems (Religion).
The Media didn't describe it as Orthodox and Catholic v Moslems now did it.

The Media is a right villian parasite.

Europe is 'not' Asia - is not Europe. It's the 'Russia' in between that is struggling to be loyal to China (Asia) and yet trying to be accepted as European also. It can't have it both ways. It's breaking or will fold towards one.



Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Gordon on Mar 1st, 2022 at 8:36pm
In a non nuclear war, China would roll up Russia and send it home in 2 weeks.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by JaSin. on Mar 1st, 2022 at 8:37pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 1st, 2022 at 8:36pm:
In a non nuclear war, China would roll up Russia and send it home in 2 weeks.


Now wouldn't that be a sweet outcome for the world? ;)
We'll even let them take Taiwan as a reward for being a goody.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Frank on Oct 17th, 2022 at 10:56am

To understand China you need to understand whiteness, yet it's missing from the conversation



China today is seen as a threat to the West. A threat to the so-called global rules-based order that is itself rooted in a race-based order.

So much of the commentary around China ignores the question of race. So many of the commentators discussing China — predominantly white voices — do not have the racial literacy to begin to understand how race and racism inform China's rise.

In some ways, Xi's China may represent the end of whiteness. Except that the Chinese Communist Party itself mirrors whiteness.

The irony is Xi has also become what he opposes. He is a Han nationalist — his idea of Chinese power is ethnic Han superiority — persecuting non-Han, non-white people in his own country.

If whiteness is power, Xi Jinping is its champion.

The continuation of white power, in darker skin.

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-16/race-and-whiteness-key-to-understanding-xi-jinpings-china/101536024

China is the end of whiteness - and its continuation.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:13am

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 10:56am:

To understand China you need to understand whiteness, yet it's missing from the conversation



China today is seen as a threat to the West. A threat to the so-called global rules-based order that is itself rooted in a race-based order.

So much of the commentary around China ignores the question of race. So many of the commentators discussing China — predominantly white voices — do not have the racial literacy to begin to understand how race and racism inform China's rise.

In some ways, Xi's China may represent the end of whiteness. Except that the Chinese Communist Party itself mirrors whiteness.

The irony is Xi has also become what he opposes. He is a Han nationalist — his idea of Chinese power is ethnic Han superiority — persecuting non-Han, non-white people in his own country.

If whiteness is power, Xi Jinping is its champion.

The continuation of white power, in darker skin.

Stan Grant is the ABC's international affairs analyst and presenter of Q+A on Thursday at 8.30pm. He also presents China Tonight on Monday at 9:35pm on ABC TV, and Tuesday at 8pm on the ABC News Channel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-16/race-and-whiteness-key-to-understanding-xi-jinpings-china/101536024


A confused race-infused nonsensical  commentary from Grant ...who is no doubt caught up in the current excruciating commentary in Oz about who or what is "aboriginality"... 

If the island of Taiwan didn't exist, China wouldn't be a "threat" to the world because China has no claims on the rest of the world.

China only seeks its own national rejuvenation, and it sees Taiwan as part of that process.

The US of course sees Taiwan as the way to create the false "China threat" theory, as an excuse to maintain US global hegemony. 

China has no interest in global hegemony. 




Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by chimera on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:39am
'Show me your registration papers, Sir'
'I don't have them. The car was parked so I took it'
'That's a crime'.
'Nah mate. It's rejuveantion. Rejuvenation. Oh wahta  feeling'.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2022 at 12:51pm

chimera wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:39am:
'Show me your registration papers, Sir'
'I don't have them. The car was parked so I took it'
'That's a crime'.
'Nah mate. It's rejuveantion. Rejuvenation. Oh wahta  feeling'.


Non-sequitur; but yes, rejuvenation is a good thing.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by chimera on Oct 17th, 2022 at 12:56pm
'This beach is part of Taiwan'
'Taiwan? No such place. Anyway, we need it'
'Why?'
'For rejuvenation. I'm feeling rejuvenated already. Now, where's this Taipei place of yours?'

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:16pm

chimera wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 12:56pm:
'This beach is part of Taiwan'
'Taiwan? No such place. Anyway, we need it'
'Why?'
'For rejuvenation. I'm feeling rejuvenated already. Now, where's this Taipei place of yours?'


This beach is part of HK. 'HK? No such place. Anyway we need it'.

Ditto for Taiwan, in Chinese eyes.

Like I said, it's a pity the island of Taiwan exists so close to the mainland, allowing the losers of the civil war to decamp from the mainland.

Now the whole world is caught up in that dispute, because the US can use the island as a cover to maintain global hegemony.  The US wasn't concerned with the victorious CPC ideology,  when China was weak.






Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Frank on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:24pm
The Chinese Communist Party has a deep racial consciousness. It is there in the reminder to its people never to forget the hundred years of humiliation at the hands of foreign powers — of white powers.

Yes, that humiliation was at the hands of the Japanese, too, but the Japanese themselves cannot be separated from the project of whiteness.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-16/race-and-whiteness-key-to-understanding-xi-jinpings-china/101536024

You don't agree with the CCP? You are a wacist white.


Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
The Chinese Communist Party has a deep racial consciousness. It is there in the reminder to its people never to forget the hundred years of humiliation at the hands of foreign powers — of white powers.


Is it race-based? Marco Polo was treated with respect...


Quote:
Yes, that humiliation was at the hands of the Japanese, too, but the Japanese themselves cannot be separated from the project of whiteness.


can't be separated from the "project of whiteness"?...proving it's got nothing to do with race at all. 


Quote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-16/race-and-whiteness-key-to-understanding-xi-jinpings-china/101536024


More confused ramblings from Grant?


Quote:
You don't agree with the CCP? You are a wacist white.


No, you are a traitor to the motherland, if Chinese, and a paranoid purveyor of the "China threat" theory, if not. 





Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by issuevoter on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:32pm
Penny Wong for President!!!

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by chimera on Oct 17th, 2022 at 5:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:13am:
China has no interest in global hegemony. 

Yes except for Taiwan, SE Asian fishing zones, Tibet, north India, overseas military bases, overseas ports and Chinese citizens of foreign countries. 
Ref: A Hitler 'Mein Kampf'.
G Khan 'My Mongolia-China'.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by athos on Oct 17th, 2022 at 5:37pm

issuevoter wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:32pm:
Penny Wong for President!!!


Mr. Penny Wong is our man in the enemy ranks.
When the British colony Australia becomes part
of China, she will be the Aussie president.

    :)



Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by chimera on Oct 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm
I intend to write to Lord Emperor Xi to submit a new name:
'The Chinese Nazi Master-race Party'. CCP is so.. commie.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2022 at 11:39am

issuevoter wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 4:32pm:
Penny Wong for President!!!


Nah, she's as blind a "freedom" ideologue as anyone.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2022 at 11:54am

chimera wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:13am:
China has no interest in global hegemony. 

Yes except for Taiwan,


That's an internal Chinese affair.  The losers of the civil war fled to Taiwan, and until recently claimed THEY were the legitimate rulers of all China.


Quote:
SE Asian fishing zones,


The CCP is seeking agreement over the relevant nations' sea claims, just like Oz had to with East Timor oil fields.


Quote:
Tibet,
a border state claimed by the Qing dynasty, and now reestablished as an autonomous region of China.


Quote:
north India,


The Himalayan border between India and China was never determined in the past; the final agreement between the 2 nations should be reached soon.

Quote:
overseas military bases,


You're kidding, the US has 800 overseas on-land  military bases, China has access to a few overseas ports in which its navy might refuel...


Quote:
and Chinese citizens of foreign countries. 


an overseas diaspora?


Quote:
Ref: A Hitler 'Mein Kampf'.
G Khan 'My Mongolia-China'.


Pure ideological garbage.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by athos on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:28pm
Xi will be the next head of state of the Chinese colony of Australia.
The British will soon hand over Australia to China.
Australia will finally have a cultural and national identity.

;D

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Marla on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:29pm

athos wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:28pm:
Xi will be the next head of state of the Chinese colony of Australia. The British will soon hand over Australia to China.
Australia will finally have a cultural and national identity.

;D



Cool.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:26pm
China is broke and about to go into deep recession.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by chimera on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:44pm

athos wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:28pm:
Xi will be the next head of state of the Chinese colony of Australia.
The British will soon hand over Australia to China.
Australia will finally have a cultural and national identity.

;D

Yes, that's how greatdivide sees it, using double-speak.

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:57pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:26pm:
China is broke and about to go into deep recession.


"The country's top five lenders - ICBC, Bank of China (BOC), China Construction Bank (CCB), Bank of Communications (BOCOM) and Agricultural Bank of China (ABC) - all issued statements on Sunday, vowing to further support fast recovery of the real economy with strengthened measures. The Postal Savings Bank of China, the sixth state-owned bank, issued a similar statement".

You Western classical-economist fools, who demand that government borrow money from usurious private- sector money lenders, will further drive citizens into austerity, as the state is forced to repay bloated covid-rescue debt to a criminal clique of private lenders, in a rising interest rate environment.   

In contrast, China's state-owned banks can create debt (credit) owed to themselves, to ensure stable development of the real economy, unlike the fake finance-based (as opposed to resource-based) Western economies. 

Title: Re: Europe v Russia v China
Post by thegreatdivide on Oct 19th, 2022 at 9:56am

chimera wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:44pm:

athos wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:28pm:
Xi will be the next head of state of the Chinese colony of Australia.
The British will soon hand over Australia to China.
Australia will finally have a cultural and national identity.

;D

Yes, that's how greatdivide sees it, using double-speak.



No, that's not how I see it; and you won't be able to point to anything I said re Xi becoming head of state of Oz. 

(Talk is Oz doesn't need a head of state; I tend to agree).

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