Sweden is looking good for the last couple of months compared to neighbors. They might be the only country to achieve herd immunity.

Looks like they might have had the right approach.

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yes baron,

crushing it

and social cohesion because the government treated them like adults and asked for "personal responsibility"

they didnt treat them like naughty toddlers and lock them in their rooms in "time out"

But Swedes are a dying race anyway, as are most Skandis.
Population growth is through Turkish and other immigrants that work as Serfs doing the house-cleaning.

Most Swedes only have little white fluffy dogs for children.

Deaths per million citizens. Sweden - 1490.  Australia - 77.

Yep, the Swedes are crushing it alright.... ::)

Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise.

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A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T

Sweden deaths per million population 1472.

Australia deaths per million population 78

Sweden's death rate is ~20x Australia's death rate.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Dont you go putting facts in place of Aquas latest brain fart. 

I look at all these graphs as just being a snap shot. If you look at us in Ireland we have gone from being the best in the world to the worst in the world several times.

I have never been to Sweden but other Scandanavians have told me that they are not as sociable as the others. Could that be part of the reason they are doing well now? Maybe in retrospect exposing children to the original variant by not closing the schools in the first wave is having positive effects now. In any case the virus is so much stronger now. I still cannot go with the herd immunity idea.

From March this year:

Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible


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It’s unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission

We've since found out they don't - they just keep you from ending up in hospital in the majority of cases.


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Vaccine roll-out is uneven

Yes, and its still uneven.


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New variants change the herd-immunity equation

Yes, especially since the appearance of Delta and now Omicron (not sure what happened to Lambda and Mu?).


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Immunity might not last forever

Yes, we've since found out that 'boosters' are needed.


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Vaccines might change human behaviour

Yes again... a lot of people believe the vaccines are some sort of 'silver bullet' which make Covid disappear... and governments are also pushing this idea because money and the economy is more important that peoples' lives as far as they are concerned. See NSW, South Australia, Victoria and, coming up - Queensland and Tasmania. With Scotty from Marketing 'cheering them on', of course.


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Even without herd immunity, the ability to vaccinate vulnerable people seems to be reducing hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19. The disease might not disappear any time soon, but its prominence is likely to wane.

Let's hope so.

Irishman78621 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2021 at 1:48am:

I have never been to Sweden but other Scandanavians have told me that they are not as sociable as the others.

Yes. I'm told Danes and Germans ridicule them for it.

Australians are not like Scandinavians and Australia is not like Scandinavia.

Relative to northern Europe, we do not have a winter and the Australian culture is likely many times more interactive and many times more contemptuous of law that restricts our freedom of movement.

41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid

4450 people in a serious condition at the moment in germany with covid.

the swedes.... so successful, so much to be admired

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

the swedes.... so successful, so much to be admired

Flights to Sweden - Skyscanner

Would you like someone to drive you to the airport? Heck, I'd even be prepared to come over there from Perth, help you pack and drive you to the airport.

:)

Carl D wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 3:20pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 3:14pm: the swedes.... so successful, so much to be admired Flights to Sweden - Skyscanner Would you like someone to drive you to the airport? Heck, I'd even be prepared to come over there from Perth, help you pack and drive you to the airport. :)

no, the superior man does not run away to a safer place.

he stays here in chodesville and tries to encourage the fatties to have some self respect, bounce out of bed and move out into the world with a spirit of adventure (like our pioneering fore fathers).

human beings were not built for safety and security, they wither on the vine if they have such low aims

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 4:24pm:

no, the superior man does not run away to a safer place. he stays here in chodesville and tries to encourage the fatties to have some self respect, bounce out of bed and move out into the world with a spirit of adventure (like our pioneering fore fathers). human beings were not built for safety and security, they wither on the vine if they have such low aims

Nietzsche would have liked Sweden... Plenty of ice, snow, isolated land and mountain peaks for him and his superior man to wander around.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 4:50pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 4:24pm: no, the superior man does not run away to a safer place. he stays here in chodesville and tries to encourage the fatties to have some self respect, bounce out of bed and move out into the world with a spirit of adventure (like our pioneering fore fathers). human beings were not built for safety and security, they wither on the vine if they have such low aims Nietzsche would have liked Sweden... Plenty of ice, snow, isolated land and mountain peaks for him and his superior man to wander around.

one would hope that sort of life would be a richer experience then

The Chode likes lockdown and closed borders and being safe...plenty of processed carbs and netflix and tik tok and computer games and you dont even have to wander around...you can just lay on the couch and be pleasured

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 4:53pm:

...you can just lay on the couch and be pleasured.

Cool. Where do I sign up?

Hasn't happened to me yet during the several short lockdowns here in Perth since the start of the pandemic. :(

I hate the thought of missing out on something like that. ;D ;D  ::)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid

75 in ICU's across australia at the moment. ....

and we've 2.5 times the population so we're in effect doing better than Sweden

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 4:24pm:

no, the superior man does not run away to a safer place.

no, apparently he hides on his horse farm, where he is isolated from the rest of civilization ::)

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 5:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 3:14pm: 41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid 75 in ICU's across australia at the moment. .... and we've 2.5 times the population so we're in effect doing better than Sweden

Yea, but remember who made the initial claim, cherry picker superior man Aqua, it's just more horseshit.

scope wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 5:37pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 3:14pm: 41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid 75 in ICU's across australia at the moment. .... and we've 2.5 times the population so we're in effect doing better than Sweden Yea, but remember who made the initial claim, cherry picker superior man Aqua, it's just more horseshit.

I'd also guess his 'in serious condition' is a bit of cherry picking as well. How does he qualify who is in 'serious condition' and who isn't?

check the data at world odometer dumb smithy

::) ::) ::) ::)

ACTIVE CASES SWEDEN
25,535
Currently Infected Patients
25,494 (99.8%)
in Mild Condition

41 (0.2%)
Serious or Critical

Show Graph


ACTIVE CASES GERMANY
830,591
Currently Infected Patients
826,132 (99.5%)
in Mild Condition

4,459 (0.5%)
Serious or Critical

Show Graph


white flag accepted

you think putting up dribble helps your case?  ;D ;D ;D

put up a link or shut up ya moron

more white flags from smith  ;D ;D ;D


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

rhino wrote on Nov 28^th, 2021 at 10:58pm:

Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T

You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day.

The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity.

When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains.

The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity.

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aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

more white flags from smith  ;D ;D ;D https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

Germany also had mandatory N95/PP2 mask rule which is sensible since surgical masks don't stop aerosol virus. If you're going to make masks compulsory then it should be for masks that actually offer some protection.


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FFP2 masks compulsory from Wednesday in many places In the fight against the Corona pandemic, FFP2 masks must be worn in Berlin from 31 March 2021 in public transport, medical practices, hospitals, care facilities, retail outlets and cultural institutions. This will become compulsory, a senate spokeswoman said on Sunday. https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/6489489-6098215-ffp2-masks-compulsory-from-wednesday-in-.en.html

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

more white flags from smith  ;D ;D ;D https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

that link is as useless as you horsecrap ... what is a mild case and what is serious case?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity.

BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date.

Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/2021/11/12/sweden-breaks-ranks-in-covid-battle-again-with-no-test-stance/

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day.

The bigger picture is you dont know and I dont know the ultimate course of this virus anywhere, there have been countries where it appeared the number of cases was significantly increasing and now they are increasing. All we really know is that restricting contact between humans and practising basic hygiene is effective in controlling the spread. I also find it bizarre that given even highly educated and experienced scientists and physicians cannot agree on this and yet you and Aqua seem to think you have all the answers. What on earth do you see in the morning when you look in the mirror? The biggest genius of all time? Get a grip. You are not an oracle.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers.

99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu.

We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours

What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative?

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:41pm: more white flags from smith  ;D ;D ;D https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ Germany also had mandatory N95/PP2 mask rule which is sensible since surgical masks don't stop aerosol virus. If you're going to make masks compulsory then it should be for masks that actually offer some protection. Quote: FFP2 masks compulsory from Wednesday in many places In the fight against the Corona pandemic, FFP2 masks must be worn in Berlin from 31 March 2021 in public transport, medical practices, hospitals, care facilities, retail outlets and cultural institutions. This will become compulsory, a senate spokeswoman said on Sunday. https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/6489489-6098215-ffp2-masks-compulsory-from-wednesday-in-.en.html

*sigh*, again for the idiots in the room, masks are to restrict the transmission of the virus to the uninfected, at which they are highly effective , not to protect against the virus.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:57pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it.

John Smith wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:41pm: more white flags from smith  ;D ;D ;D https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ that link is as useless as you horsecrap ... what is a mild case and what is serious case?

A mild case would be the sniffles requiring a kleenex or 2.

If we look at worldometers for Australia we have 15,413 in a mild condition (99.5%) and 72 in a serious condition (0.5%)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

With 15,485 cases in Australia we have a total  71 of them in ICU. Those would be the serious cases. We have around 14,870 cases of the sniffles.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it.

You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy.

Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries.

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rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The bigger picture is you dont know and I dont know the ultimate course of this virus anywhere, there have been countries where it appeared the number of cases was significantly increasing and now they are increasing. All we really know is that restricting contact between humans and practising basic hygiene is effective in controlling the spread. I also find it bizarre that given even highly educated and experienced scientists and physicians cannot agree on this and yet you and Aqua seem to think you have all the answers. What on earth do you see in the morning when you look in the mirror? The biggest genius of all time? Get a grip. You are not an oracle.

ah,

the bigger picture is that germany france belgium are suffering 100's of times more ICU admissions and massive demonstrations and social disruption.

their scoieties are fracturing

everyone is polarising

in sweden, they truly are "all in this together" and it has increased trust in their fellow man

in most other countries , they truly are "not all in this together" and everyone is on a team with an I'm alright jack  attitude.

white flag accepted

I reckon all this coronavirus will go away once China takes on Taiwan. Because I am sure that the WHO will drag this virus out for as long as there is nothing to take away attention and resources from advertising the virus worldwide.

BaronVonRort is looking for a herd to join. Yadda will deliver for the Baron.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:44pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The bigger picture is you dont know and I dont know the ultimate course of this virus anywhere, there have been countries where it appeared the number of cases was significantly increasing and now they are increasing. All we really know is that restricting contact between humans and practising basic hygiene is effective in controlling the spread. I also find it bizarre that given even highly educated and experienced scientists and physicians cannot agree on this and yet you and Aqua seem to think you have all the answers. What on earth do you see in the morning when you look in the mirror? The biggest genius of all time? Get a grip. You are not an oracle. ah, the bigger picture is that germany france belgium are suffering 100's of times more ICU admissions and massive demonstrations and social disruption. their scoieties are fracturing everyone is polarising in sweden, they truly are "all in this together" and it has increased trust in their fellow man in most other countries , they truly are "not all in this together" and everyone is on a team with an I'm alright jack  attitude. white flag accepted

You just flew back from Germany France and Belgium? Tell us more.

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The bigger picture is you dont know and I dont know the ultimate course of this virus anywhere, there have been countries where it appeared the number of cases was significantly increasing and now they are increasing. All we really know is that restricting contact between humans and practising basic hygiene is effective in controlling the spread. I also find it bizarre that given even highly educated and experienced scientists and physicians cannot agree on this and yet you and Aqua seem to think you have all the answers. What on earth do you see in the morning when you look in the mirror? The biggest genius of all time? Get a grip. You are not an oracle.

There were virologists saying months ago this virus will become endemic we will have to learn to live with it elimination is not going to happen. There were others hoping a vaccine would give us herd immunity which even the vaccine producers were saying months ago will not happen with these vaccines because they don't prevent transmission. Slowly those hoping for vaccine to give us herd immunity are conceding this virus will become endemic which is what the real experts have been saying all along.

Yes cases are increasing in highly vaccinated countries yet Japan and India who embraced Ivermectin saw massive declines in cases within 2 weeks of widespread use of Ivermectin and today both those countries are doing far better than those who rely on vaccine alone.

The thinking on how virus spreads has changed from droplets to aerosol so basic hygiene washing hands etc isn't going to do much because this virus is airborne which also means social distancing needs to be increased. Germany is probably the only country to mandate N95 masks because they know surgical masks don't work with aerosols they're good with droplets which was the outdated original thinking on how this virus was spread.

Being indoors with poor ventilation is the worst case scenario which explains why Vic with their world record lockdown has the worst result with cases and deaths in Australia. This dinner party saw 11 of 13 fully vaxxed people get infected. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

Sweden still cops criticism for going herd immunity route by letting it rip nobody knew back then that previous infection gives 13-27 times greater protection than any vaccine.

I did the numbers on Australia a few weeks ago 93% of our deaths were people over 60 with median age being 85. How many people over 60 would have some comorbidities?

The CDC data from the US showed most of their deaths had 6 or more comorbidities with the death rate dropping to 0.5 % for those with no comorbidities.

It looks like Sweden was on the right path even Boris in the UK wanted to go Herd immunity path before political pressure forced him to drop it and go lockdown route.

Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it. You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy.

Might being the operative word. How many more deaths are acceptable in pursuit of that goal do you think?


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Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries.

And? did you not read my whole post? Its hard to educate when you wont read the lesson.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers.

Lol, you think the word "herd" when used in this context relates to livestock management? ROFL!

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it. You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy. Might being the operative word. How many more deaths are acceptable in pursuit of that goal do you think? [quote]Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries.

And? did you not read my whole post? Its hard to educate when you wont read the lesson.
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Their deaths and new cases are low been that way for a few months.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:51pm:

Their deaths and new cases are low been that way for a few months.

Of course they are because Sweden is not testing. They are just counting cadavers.

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:16pm: Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers. Lol, you think the word "herd" when used in this context relates to livestock management? ROFL!

Aqua could tell you about the Hendra virus spread by Flying foxes to Horses on the east coast of Australia. Humans can catch Hendra from horses can't get it from flying foxes.

Hendra virus has 60% Case Fatality rate for humans we're around 1% CFR for Kung Flu. Aqua would have dealt with a far more deadly virus than the Kung Flu.

Since they named it Hendra virus after a place in Australia where it originated perhaps we should call this covid virus the Wuhan virus.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:51pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:18pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:17pm: rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it. You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy. Might being the operative word. How many more deaths are acceptable in pursuit of that goal do you think? [quote]Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries. And? did you not read my whole post? Its hard to educate when you wont read the lesson.

Their deaths and new cases are low been that way for a few months.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
[/quote]Which is the equivalent of claiming that global warming doesnt exist because I went outside today and it was cold.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:16pm: Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers. Lol, you think the word "herd" when used in this context relates to livestock management? ROFL! Aqua could tell you about the Hendra virus spread by Flying foxes to Horses on the east coast of Australia. Humans can catch Hendra from horses can't get it from flying foxes. Hendra virus has 60% Case Fatality rate for humans we're around 1% CFR for Kung Flu. Aqua would have dealt with a far more deadly virus than the Kung Flu. Since they named it Hendra virus after a place in Australia where it originated perhaps we should call this covid virus the Wuhan virus.

;D

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 11:18pm: rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:21pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:16pm: Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers. Lol, you think the word "herd" when used in this context relates to livestock management? ROFL! Aqua could tell you about the Hendra virus spread by Flying foxes to Horses on the east coast of Australia. Humans can catch Hendra from horses can't get it from flying foxes. Hendra virus has 60% Case Fatality rate for humans we're around 1% CFR for Kung Flu. Aqua would have dealt with a far more deadly virus than the Kung Flu. Since they named it Hendra virus after a place in Australia where it originated perhaps we should call this covid virus the Wuhan virus. ;D

Yes... but humans can get Nipah & Lyssa viruses direct from Flying Foxes. The fact that horses are an intermediary host for Hendra to pass to humans - it's origins are still fruit bat.


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Hendra and Nipah viruses have been shown to be the first two members of a new genus, Henipavirus, in the family Paramyxoviridae, subfamily Paramyxovirinae, whereas Australian bat lyssavirus is closely related antigenically to classical rabies virus in the genus Lyssavirus, family Rhabdoviridae.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15119765/

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Sweden still doing OK compared to neighbors

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Sweden has finished the marathon
Now they are kicking back with a beer watching the rest of the world sweat

New South Wales halfway through the marathon
Queensland has just laced up there shoes but is already cramping at the start line
Western Australia is still in bed
Well technically under the bed
And thinks it can avoid the brutal challenge in front of it
In this they are mistaken

The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927.
The number of Covid deaths is  15,158.

The current population of Australia is 25,925,643.
The number of Covid deaths is 2,104.

If we would have followed Sweden we would have had
25.9/10.2 * 15,158 =  38,489 deaths.

Therefore by following our policies we have saved:
38,489 - 2,104 =  36,385 people from dying.

JUST PROVES AQUASCOOT IS A DILL!

;D ;D ;D

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

JUST PROVES AQUASCOOT IS A DILL! ;D ;D ;D

Aqua wasn't wrong - he was just misinformed.   :)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:35am:

The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927. The number of Covid deaths is  15,158. The current population of Australia is 25,925,643. The number of Covid deaths is 2,104. If we would have followed Sweden we would have had 25.9/10.2 * 15,158 =  38,489 deaths. Therefore by following our policies we have saved: 38,489 - 2,104 =  36,385 people from dying.

Hi there Bobby

Sweden is pretty much back to business as usual

If you have a breast cancer or a prostate cancer
If you are waiting for heart surgery or any sort of elective surgery
A new knee or cataracts so you can see

You are going to be waiting much much much longer in Australia over the next several years
Because we have spent so much money and so much time and so much of our hospitals resources on fighting kovid
We have neglected fighting the big killers and those deaths will occur in other innocent people

We have spent billions of dollars rolling out vaccinations
Which are going to prove fairly useless against omicron

We have spent 2 years treading water and we have little to show for it

Get back to me in another 24 months and see if you still agree we went the correct route and Sweden made an error
I think you may be reassessing the situation as your friends drop from other diseases that they could not get treated because we had obsessive disorder over this mild respiratory virus
Which isn't even a respiratory virus anymore if we would just let omicron loose before it mutates into something nasty

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13th, 2021 at 6:35am: The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927. The number of Covid deaths is  15,158. The current population of Australia is 25,925,643. The number of Covid deaths is 2,104. If we would have followed Sweden we would have had 25.9/10.2 * 15,158 =  38,489 deaths. Therefore by following our policies we have saved: 38,489 - 2,104 =  36,385 people from dying. Hi there Bobby Sweden is pretty much back to business as usual If you have a breast cancer or a prostate cancer If you are waiting for heart surgery or any sort of elective surgery A new knee or cataracts so you can see You are going to be waiting much much much longer in Australia over the next several years Because we have spent so much money and so much time and so much of our hospitals resources on fighting kovid We have neglected fighting the big killers and those deaths will occur in other innocent people We have spent billions of dollars rolling out vaccinations Which are going to prove fairly useless against omicron We have spent 2 years treading water and we have little to show for it Get back to me in another 24 months and see if you still agree we went the correct route and Sweden made an error I think you may be reassessing the situation as your friends drop from other diseases that they could not get treated because we had obsessive disorder over this mild respiratory virus Which isn't even a respiratory virus anymore if we would just let omicron loose before it mutates into something nasty

Granted - my figures don't consider the
number of people who will die from lack of care
from other illnesses.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid 4450 people in a serious condition at the moment in germany with covid. the swedes.... so successful, so much to be admired

 
And it seems you successfully ignore statistics that show Sweden has 20 times the death rate per million compared to Australia.

There is no full herd immunity to COVID family of viruses.

That's why flu vaccinations are yearly.

It's about prevention/reduction of serious illness & hospitalisation....

not a F . U . C . K . I . N . G  cure.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:10am:

Sweden has finished the marathon Now they are kicking back with a beer watching the rest of the world sweat New South Wales halfway through the marathon Queensland has just laced up there shoes but is already cramping at the start line Western Australia is still in bed Well technically under the bed And thinks it can avoid the brutal challenge in front of it In this they are mistaken

Time for another marathon by the look of things.

Sweden to introduce COVID-19 restrictions


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Sweden will introduce COVID-19 restrictions as the number of infections in the country increasingly spread, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson announced on Tuesday. According to Health Minister Lena Hallengren, the measures will include wearing masks on public transport, recommendations to work from home and the avoidance of crowds. The measures, the first new recommendations since Andersson became prime minister last month, will take effect on Wednesday.

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

JUST PROVES AQUASCOOT IS A DILL! ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D

As I said yesterday... its like Groundhog Day with aqua. Instead of waking up every morning to the sound of I Got You Babe by Sonny & Cher like Bill Murray did we get Sweden Has Run The Marathon by Aquascoot and the Horse Manures.

::)

Hi there Carl

Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults

Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave

My prediction is it won't be pretty
My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense
Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system

My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations
And will be treating the population like naughty school children
Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:57pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 7:38pm: rhino wrote on Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:58pm: Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise. Quote: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic. It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day. The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity. When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains. The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity. BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date. Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers. 99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu. We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics?utm_source=WhatsApp&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=CV19WhatsApp#total-cases-recoveries-deaths-and-new-cases-in-the-last-24-hours What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative? Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it. You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy. Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries.

 
The Swedes will not achieve "Herd(majority) Immunity" against COV19 & it's variants.

Neither will we ...... we & they will achieve a level of protection against serious illness or death.

These viruses are not like other diseases that have virtually been eradicated by vaccination & herd immunity.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:37am:

Hi there Carl Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave My prediction is it won't be pretty My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations And will be treating the population like naughty school children Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play

Have to agree with you there. The health systems in just about every Australian State couldn't cope even before Covid due to years of cost cutting by governments.

We have South Australia open and Covid cases starting to rise. Same with New South Wales.

Victoria continues with its Covid disaster.

Queensland opened up today shortly to be followed by Tasmania.

All under the guise of 'reuniting families' when the real reason is to start raking in the money again for big business, especially airlines and travel agents, etc.

Here in WA... today, Mark McGowan is supposed to be announcing a 'definite' date for reopening - probably at the start of February.

Hopefully that will not be 'set in stone' because I'm pretty sure the rest of Australia will be back in lockdown by then, if not earlier (I'm still predicting before Christmas).

Carl D wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13th, 2021 at 7:37am: Hi there Carl Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave My prediction is it won't be pretty My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations And will be treating the population like naughty school children Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play Have to agree with you there. The health systems in just about every Australian State couldn't cope even before Covid due to years of cost cutting by governments. We have South Australia open and Covid cases starting to rise. Same with New South Wales. Victoria continues with its Covid disaster. Queensland opened up today shortly to be followed by Tasmania. All under the guise of 'reuniting families' when the real reason is to start raking in the money again for big business, especially airlines and travel agents, etc. Here in WA... today, Mark McGowan is supposed to be announcing a 'definite' date for reopening - probably at the start of February. Hopefully that will not be 'set in stone' because I'm pretty sure the rest of Australia will be back in lockdown by then, if not earlier (I'm still predicting before Christmas).

It's not due to cost cutting by governments
Health expenditure has risen more than the rate of inflation every year for the last two decades
Health expenditure has risen more then expenditure on education infrastructure welfare

Unfortunately it is a bottomless pit

The failure of Australians to take personal responsibility for their health
The addiction to fast food and the acceptance of obesity and the sedentary lifestyle
The expectation of those over 70 that they should be given the Gold standard in medical treatment
The quadrupleing of the population over 80

Means that rationing is going to become more and more and more of a problem
If we decide to do 100000 covid tests a Day for everyone crossing the border
That's 10 million dollars down the toilet in meaningless bureaucratic nonsense

That's 10 million dollars to can't be spent on all the people who are having their health rationed
Kovid is going to make this so much worse you have no idea
And the more you concentrate on kovid
The more people are going to miss out on all the services they used to expect
Triy calling an ambulance in 3 months time
The operator will probably just laugh at you
Not the government's fault
They can't fund the expectations any longer

If you are sensible you will take personal responsibility for your health because no one else is going to be there for you

Actually, if you want to go directly to the main source of all of these problems its overpopulation.

Governments and big business pushing for more and more migrants with the corresponding increase in house prices and rents, pollution, congestion, overloaded health systems and a general reduction in the quality of life for everyone.

But, hey... as long as the money keeps rolling in (for governments and big business) who cares about the general population who are just 'pawns' in the game to be milked of their hard earned dollars at every opportunity.

flip page.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

It's not due to cost cutting by governments Health expenditure has risen more than the rate of inflation every year for the last two decades

it has nothing to do with inflation. Bring in an extra 200 000 people a year, you need more doctors, nurses, hospitals, beds, band aids, panadol and whatever else the frk you need to keep them alive. NONE of that stuff is cheap, especially when the suppliers find out govco is paying.

Actually, prices charged to govco.au are cheap—our government places one order for all medicines needed, pretty much, for a year. Quantity gets big discounts!

The grim numbers.


The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927.
The number of Covid deaths is  15,158.

The current population of Australia is 25,925,643.
The number of Covid deaths is 2,104.

If we would have followed Sweden we would have had
25.9/10.2 * 15,158 =  38,489 deaths.

Therefore by following our policies we have saved:
38,489 - 2,104 =  36,385 people from dying.

Little Bobby can use a calculator! Say what you like, the idiot IS making progress!

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Little Bobby can use a calculator! Say what you like, the idiot IS making progress!

Monk - I will drive out your demons:

https://i.ibb.co/1LCQYpS/the-cross-fighting-evil-spirits.jpg

Piss off you antisocial personality disorder creep!

Did Sweden declare the pandemic is over last week?

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Sweden did much better than the UK and Europe. :)

Boris wanted to follow Sweden with Herd immunity yet the hysterical media resulted in the UK following a Political science method that was worse in the long run.

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indeed baron.

vaccines wane quickly and eventually we will have to face the omnicold

no big deal.

the general public are already bored with it.

its like trying to scare people with the Y2K problem in february 2000

aquascoot wrote on Apr 27^th, 2022 at 6:17pm:

indeed baron. vaccines wane quickly and eventually we will have to face the omnicold no big deal. the general public are already bored with it. its like trying to scare people with the Y2K problem in february 2000

Incorrect.

The general public are being gaslighted by governments (both here and overseas) into believing the COVID-19 pandemic is over when nothing could be further from the truth.

And, sadly (and tragically) the general public seems to be falling for it.

Here's a bit of interesting trivia I was reading a week or two back - in past pandemics (including the inaccurately named Spanish Flu over a hundred years ago) the third year has always been the worst with deaths and hospitalisations, etc.

Now, which year are we up to with Covid? Oh, yeah... number three.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Deaths per million citizens. Sweden - 1490.  Australia - 77. Yep, the Swedes are crushing it alright.... ::)

This is OBVIOUSLY the reason conspiracy theorists choose to convert their cherry-picked data into MEME form - rather than supply the relevant link for conformation and more detail

NEVER trust a conspiracy theorist to openly hand you the TRUTH




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Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Deaths per million citizens. Sweden - 1490.  Australia - 77. Yep, the Swedes are crushing it alright.... ::)

Not really a fair comparison with Australia. We could see what was happening in Europe we closed our border which is easy to do when you're an Island a long way from everyone.

We had more trouble keeping Victorians out of NSW and Qld despite state borders being closed.

How did Sweden compare to the UK or Europe data shows they had less deaths per million


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What Sweden Got Right About COVID The U.S. botched the pandemic—overprotecting kids at low risk of serious illness and under-protecting older Americans. Stockholm pursued a light touch and fared far better. April 19, 2022 While most countries imposed draconian restrictions, there was an exception: Sweden. Early in the pandemic, Swedish schools and offices closed briefly but then reopened. Restaurants never closed. Businesses stayed open. Kids under 16 went to school. That stood in contrast to the U.S. By April 2020, the CDC and the National Institutes of Health recommended far-reaching lockdowns that threw millions of Americans out of work. A kind of groupthink set in. In print and on social media, colleagues attacked experts who advocated a less draconian approach. Some received obscene emails and death threats.Within the scientific community, opposition to the dominant narrative was castigated and censored, cutting off what should have been vigorous debate and analysis. In this intolerant atmosphere, Sweden’s “light touch,” as it is often referred to by scientists and policy makers, was deemed a disaster. “Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale,” carped The New York Times. Reuters reported, “Sweden’s COVID Infections Among Highest in Europe, With ‘No Sign Of Decrease.’” Medical journals published equally damning reports of Sweden’s folly. But Sweden seems to have been right. Countries that took the severe route to stem the virus might want to look at the evidence found in a little-known 2021 report by the Kaiser Family Foundation. The researchers found that among 11 wealthy peer nations, Sweden was the only one with no excess mortality among individuals under 75. None, zero, zip. That’s not to say that Sweden had no deaths from COVID. It did. But it appears to have avoided the collateral damage that lockdowns wreaked in other countries. The Kaiser study wisely looked at excess mortality, rather than the more commonly used metric of COVID deaths. This means that researchers examined mortality rates from all causes of death in the 11 countries before the pandemic and compared those rates to mortality from all causes during the pandemic. If a country averaged 1 million deaths per year before the pandemic but had 1.3 million deaths in 2020, excess mortality would be 30 percent. There are several reasons to use excess mortality rather than COVID deaths to compare countries. The rate of COVID deaths ignores regional and national differences.For example, the desperately poor Central African Republic has a very low rate of fatalities from COVID. But that’s because it has an average life expectancy of 53. People in their 70s are3,000-fold more susceptible than children to dying of COVID, and even people in their 20s to 50s are far less likely to die than the elderly. So, it’s no surprise that the Central African Republic has a low COVID mortality rate despite its poverty and poor medical care. Excess mortality is the smart, objective standard. It includes all deaths, whether from COVID, the indirect effects of COVID (such as people avoiding the hospital during a heart attack), or the side effects of lockdowns. And it gets rid of the problem of underlying differences among countries, allowing a direct comparison of their performance during COVID. Sweden had zero excess mortality in 2020 among people younger than 75. In other words, COVID wasn’t all that dangerous to young people. Even among the elderly, Sweden’s excess mortality in 2020 was lower than that in the U.S., Belgium, Switzerland, the U.K., the Netherlands, Austria, and France. Canada, Germany, and Australia had lower rates than Sweden among people over the age of 70—probably because Sweden failed to limit nursing home visits at the very beginning of the pandemic. More here- https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/04/19/what-sweden-got-right-about-covid/

History shows Sweden got it right. Their kids haven't been setback with mental health problems or slowing their eductation.

We had a 99.9% survival rate for those under 60 before mass vaccinations when Delta was dominant.

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Anders Tegnell said judge him in 2 years.

The rest of the world came around to living with Covid which is what Sweden did from day 1.

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Hmmmm

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