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Member Run Boards >> Environment >> Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1634354798 Message started by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:26pm |
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Title: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:26pm
Reconstruction of Environmental Conditions in the Eastern Part of Primorsky Krai (Russian Far East) in the Late Holocene
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S1995425521030094 Modern and sub-fossil corals suggest reduced temperature variability in the eastern pole of the Indian Ocean Dipole during the medieval climate anomaly https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-94465-1 Sea surface temperature seasonality in the northern South China Sea during the middle Holocene derived from high resolution Sr/Ca ratios of Tridacna shells https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/quaternary-research/article/abs/sea-surface-temperature-seasonality-in-the-northern-south-china-sea-during-the-middle-holocene-derived-from-high-resolution-srca-ratios-of-tridacna-shells/DED2FF2A30E43BBEC941547CE9D0A03B 6,000-Year Reconstruction of Modified Circumpolar Deep Water Intrusion and Its Effects on Sea Ice and Penguin in the Ross Sea https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL094545 Oh dear. There goes the hockey stick ... Again. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by Dnarever on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:38pm
Of the 4 documents you posted
2 were about condition in the Holocene period - 6000 years before the MWP 1 was pure gobbledygook 1 was in the right time but specified a rather small local event. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by Frank on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:41pm
That's why they renamed it climate change. They want everything to change and call it progress. Except climate. Climate must not change. That is also progress.
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 2:57pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:38pm:
And each showed the MWP. But I guess you can't read graphs. ;) |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by Bobby. on Oct 16th, 2021 at 4:32pm
Thanks Lee but I thought the science is decided?
There is no further room for debate? https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/nobel-prize-physics-winner-scn-2021/index.html Nobel Prize in physics awarded to scientists whose work warned the world of climate change By Rob Picheta and Katie Hunt, CNN Updated 1308 GMT (2108 HKT) October 5, 2021 (CNN)The Nobel Prize in physics has been awarded to scientists Syukuro Manabe, Klaus Hasselmann and Giorgio Parisi, whose groundbreaking work over the past 60 years predicted climate change and decoded complex physical systems. Manabe, 90, and Hasselmann, 89, were jointly honored for "the physical modelling of Earth's climate, quantifying variability and reliably predicting global warming," according to the news release from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. Both men carried out pioneering work in the 1960s and 1970s that sounded an early alarm on human-made climate change. Italian physicist Parisi, 73, claimed the other half of the award, for "the discovery of the interplay of disorder and fluctuations in physical systems from atomic to planetary scales." The trio were announced as winners at a news conference Tuesday in Stockholm, Sweden. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 7:53pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 4:32pm:
Natural variability still has not been quantified. The cooling in Antarctica is said to be within natural variation, although at odds with the CO2 meme of it only causing warming. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by Dnarever on Oct 16th, 2021 at 8:37pm Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 1:41pm:
I would think that we don't want climate change that we cause leading to millions of people dying is probably what you should be thinking about. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by Dnarever on Oct 16th, 2021 at 8:39pm lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 7:53pm:
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Who said that ? How does that fit with a lot of variability but overall warming ? |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 10:39pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 8:39pm:
That is CO2 theory petal. "How Exactly Does Carbon Dioxide Cause Global Warming?" https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/02/25/carbon-dioxide-cause-global-warming/ or skepsci "How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?" https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm Nothing at skepsci about CO2 causing cooling. Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 8:39pm:
The IPCC says so. ;) "Mean temperatures and heat extremes have emerged above natural variability in almost all land regions with high confidence." "Several impact-relevant changes have not yet emerged from the natural variability but will emerge sooner or later in this century depending on the emissions scenario (high confidence). " "It is likely that the proportion of intense tropical cyclones has increased over the last four decades and that this cannot be explained entirely by natural variability." https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_TS.pdf |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 16th, 2021 at 10:42pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2021 at 8:37pm:
So how many millions have died so far? How many climate refugees? Were they displace by climate or war?. Drought is not climate. Long periods of drought may be. |
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Title: Re: Meanwhile 4 new papers find MWP warmer than today Post by lee on Oct 17th, 2021 at 12:10pm
"In conclusion, there is simply no supporting evidence or physics behind the claim that the global warming over the past century could simply be attributed to internal variability."
https://skepticalscience.com/internal-variability.htm But apparently it can explain cooling. ;) Figure 1: Estimation of the observed signature of internal variability in the observed 20th century global mean temperature in climate model simulations Oh, because... climate models. ;D ;D ;D ;D And just look at the 1930-1940s peak which has since disappeared. |
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