Have you heard about this one Athos? The CCP basically starved your people to death. Apparently you cannot eat propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of great famine") was a period between 1959 and 1961 in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) characterized by widespread famine.

The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).

The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, such as inefficient distribution of food due to the planned economy, requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques, the Four Pests Campaign that reduced bird populations (which disrupted the ecosystem), over-reporting of grain production (which was actually decreasing), and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.

If one analyses his syntax and composition, Ah Tos has used several other names on these forums. The most Chinese thing about him is his Mao T shirt. If he had to live in China, we would not hear from him again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58733193

And even if they had the food security in China today, they are having a hell of a lot of trouble trying to get power to cook their food. Having to rely on wood stoves to cook. So much for being carbon neutral by the year 2060.

Our friends from the Chinese propaganda ministry seem to be taking a leaf out of the neonazi playbook. First they tried to completely deny that the Chinese Communist Party killed up to 50 million Chinese people, in an error-prone effort to help them. In the name of socialism. I think this might be why athos stopped posting and a bunch of new ministry stooges showed up.

Now they have moved on to trying to play down the number of deaths and call the historical record into question.

They are suggesting that tens of millions of dead people is some little mistake that the Chinese people should put up with while they embrace the CCP as their 'pragmatic' and 'stable' rulers.


thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2022 at 5:01pm:

what I CAN say is the CCP is the most pragmatic political party on the planet and will adjust its policies as required, on its quest to achieve common prosperity for all, within a "prosperous socialist society in all respects" by 2049.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

Today Chinese socialism is probably  more stable than US democracy, which is why democracy ideologues outside of China  are thrashing around trying to destroy China, while the younger generation in China are enjoying their rapidly increasing prosperity.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 11:51am:

Quote: The only reason for not learning from the past is so the CCP can repeat it.   The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.

A strange take on pragmatism:


thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Quote: Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic? In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:33pm:

A strange take on pragmatism: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm: Quote: Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic? In a poverty ravaged nation, yes.

Chinese pragmatism?

Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm: A strange take on pragmatism: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm: Quote: Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic? In a poverty ravaged nation, yes. Chinese pragmatism? Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine.

Perhaps that's why they keep labelling the CCP as pragmatic.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 7:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:59pm: freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 6:33pm: A strange take on pragmatism: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31st, 2022 at 2:11pm: Quote: Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic? In a poverty ravaged nation, yes. Chinese pragmatism? Like families agreeing to eat each others children during the great famine. Perhaps that's why they keep labelling the CCP as pragmatic.

If they're not borrowing their pragmatic ideas from the Soviets, they're borrowing them from the Nazis.

The CCP leadership has always had a history of admiring Stalin and Hitler.

lol. making lies and bullsh1t again?

You should talk about the truth. There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 7:38pm:

lol. making lies and bullsh1t again? You should talk about the truth. There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.

Your deflection doesn't deny the comments about the Chinese famine.

100 million aboriginals? It's not likely 100 million aboriginals were born in 60,000 years.

Quote:

There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist.

Would you mind referring me to the propaganda ministry website that you are getting this from?

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 9:02pm:

Quote: There were over 100 million aboriginals killed by Australia colonialist. Would you mind referring me to the propaganda ministry website that you are getting this from?

Zhao Lijian. China's Goebbels.

There were never 100 million Aborigines in this country since Establishment Day.

In the 1850's, when my great-greats arrived here, the population overall was around 1 million total.  In 1914, at the outbreak of WWI - the entire population was 4 million, making  the loss of young men way out of proportion to all other combatant nations.....

None of my ancestors ever persecuted an Aborigine or did anything to them....

It's like if the Nazis had remained in power in Germany, and we had a bunch of German stooges on here telling us the holocaust was just a little misstep that we mustn't comment on because of the aborigines, and national socialism is really just pragmatic socialism.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 11:51am:

The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.

The real reason the CCP wants to keep its citizens in the dark about the Great Chinese famine is so that it can repeat those mistakes at will. It does not have the wellbeing of the Chinese people at heart.

For example it cannot keep the lights on, not for any real lack of ability or resources, but in order save face on the global playing field. Of course, it is the Chinese people who suffer as a result.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1644727643

Another example - under-reporting of covid deaths. This no doubt leads to more deaths from covid, as the country will not provide resources to save the lives of its own citizens if it is lying to itself about whether they are dying. This is pretty much the exact same cause as the great Chinese famine - internal party politics causing regional leaders to misreport what is actually happening.

Only problem is, they believe their own propaganda, and try to boast about the low death rate:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1643170908/289#289

It's like the CCP boasting about how well fed the Chinese people are while 50 million of them starve to death.

This is why the CCP is so hostile to both democracy and basic freedoms, like freedom of the press, and publishes so much absurd propaganda against them. Both would save the lives of countless Chinese people, but it would come at the cost of CCP leaders losing face and the CCP losing power. Ironically, the CCP champions both democracy and free and open debate within the party as the best way of managing it.

The CCP would literally prefer to kill Chinese people in large numbers than face reality.


thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Quote: Another good example of why the CCP doesn't want its own citizens knowing the truth about the Great Chinese Famine. They are doing it again. You just finished explaining to us how there is no point letting the Chinese people know the truth about the famine, yet you expect us to believe this BS? "Just finished explaining" ....what? The mistakes of the pre 1980's are long past. Now whether you believe current stats is up to you.

athos wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:27pm: There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening. thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 10:58pm: freediver wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 7:18am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 7:47am: What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution? Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? I would think they are as fraudulent Do you think the CCP is fraudulent? No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi. But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent? Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent? This is another propaganda myth created by the malevolent aggressive West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE

What makes you think it is a myth?

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:18pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:27pm: There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening. thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 10:58pm: freediver wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 7:18am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 7:47am: What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution? Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? I would think they are as fraudulent Do you think the CCP is fraudulent? No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi. But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent? Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent? This is another propaganda myth created by the malevolent aggressive West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE What makes you think it is a myth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2G3cZjaNqM

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2021 at 2:16pm:

Have you heard about this one Athos? The CCP basically starved your people to death. Apparently you cannot eat propaganda. The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of great famine") was a period between 1959 and 1961 in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) characterized by widespread famine. The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million). The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, such as inefficient distribution of food due to the planned economy, requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques, the Four Pests Campaign that reduced bird populations (which disrupted the ecosystem), over-reporting of grain production (which was actually decreasing), and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.

Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China....

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 1:55pm:

Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China....

Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum.

Or a rebadging of an old one.

athos wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 9:22pm: athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:18pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:27pm: There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening. thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 10:58pm: freediver wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 7:18am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 7:47am: What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution? Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? I would think they are as fraudulent Do you think the CCP is fraudulent? No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi. But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent? Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent? This is another propaganda myth created by the malevolent aggressive West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE What makes you think it is a myth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2G3cZjaNqM

Do you think wikipedia is pushing a myth here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

And why are you so emotionally invested in denying this reality? Are you on the CCP payroll? Or one of those sad communists clinging to a dead ideology?

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 7:23am:

athos wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 9:22pm: athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:18pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:27pm: There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening. thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 10:58pm: freediver wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 7:18am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 7:47am: What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution? Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? I would think they are as fraudulent Do you think the CCP is fraudulent? No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi. But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent? Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent? This is another propaganda myth created by the malevolent aggressive West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE What makes you think it is a myth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2G3cZjaNqM Do you think wikipedia is pushing a myth here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine And why are you so emotionally invested in denying this reality? Are you on the CCP payroll? Or one of those sad communists clinging to a dead ideology?

Wikipedia does not provide credible  information. 
Wikipedia is also in function of the deep state's globalist
propaganda against China and Russia.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belm4kDAHgM&t=32s

FD, a question if I may. Is Athos the new Abu?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

athos wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 1:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2022 at 7:23am: athos wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 9:22pm: athos wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 7:18pm: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2022 at 6:27pm: There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening. thegreatdivide wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 10:58pm: freediver wrote on May 15th, 2022 at 7:18am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm: freediver wrote on May 14th, 2022 at 7:47am: What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution? Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? I would think they are as fraudulent Do you think the CCP is fraudulent? No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi. But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent? Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent? This is another propaganda myth created by the malevolent aggressive West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE What makes you think it is a myth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2G3cZjaNqM Do you think wikipedia is pushing a myth here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine And why are you so emotionally invested in denying this reality? Are you on the CCP payroll? Or one of those sad communists clinging to a dead ideology? Wikipedia does not provide credible  information.  Wikipedia is also in function of the deep state's globalist propaganda against China and Russia. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=belm4kDAHgM&t=32s

You are free to edit Wikipedia if you disagree, dear. There is no globalist Deep State propaganda whatsoever. It's just not written by the CCP.

Does this fact discomfort thee?

Either way, be at peace.

Statistics and mathematics do not lie.
;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_fanOaFUuM&t=182s

Quote:

Wikipedia does not provide credible  information. Wikipedia is also in function of the deep state's globalist propaganda against China and Russia.

Is wikipedia blocked in China by the CCP?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:55pm: Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China.... Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum. Or a rebadging of an old one.

Just literate and not a smacking racist

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:12am:

Quote: Wikipedia does not provide credible  information. Wikipedia is also in function of the deep state's globalist propaganda against China and Russia. Is wikipedia blocked in China by the CCP?

The right can't prove wikipedia wrong but cry it's untrustworthy because it's a major source that exposes their bullshit

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 3:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:55pm: Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China.... Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum. Or a rebadging of an old one. Just literate and not a smacking racist

What is a racist?

What is race?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:21am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 3:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:55pm: Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China.... Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum. Or a rebadging of an old one. Just literate and not a smacking racist What is a racist? What is race?

All the china bashing is basically racism.  We all know it

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:23am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:21am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 3:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:55pm: Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China.... Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum. Or a rebadging of an old one. Just literate and not a smacking racist What is a racist? What is race? All the china bashing is basically racism.  We all know it

No it's not. The CCP is not China or the Chinese. That is a conflation hammered by the CCP.

What is race?

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2022 at 11:51am: The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  The real reason the CCP wants to keep its citizens in the dark about the Great Chinese famine is so that it can repeat those mistakes at will. It does not have the wellbeing of the Chinese people at heart. For example it cannot keep the lights on, not for any real lack of ability or resources, but in order save face on the global playing field. Of course, it is the Chinese people who suffer as a result. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1644727643 Another example - under-reporting of covid deaths. This no doubt leads to more deaths from covid, as the country will not provide resources to save the lives of its own citizens if it is lying to itself about whether they are dying. This is pretty much the exact same cause as the great Chinese famine - internal party politics causing regional leaders to misreport what is actually happening. Only problem is, they believe their own propaganda, and try to boast about the low death rate: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1643170908/289#289 It's like the CCP boasting about how well fed the Chinese people are while 50 million of them starve to death. This is why the CCP is so hostile to both democracy and basic freedoms, like freedom of the press, and publishes so much absurd propaganda against them. Both would save the lives of countless Chinese people, but it would come at the cost of CCP leaders losing face and the CCP losing power. Ironically, the CCP champions both democracy and free and open debate within the party as the best way of managing it. The CCP would literally prefer to kill Chinese people in large numbers than face reality. thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:15pm: Quote: Another good example of why the CCP doesn't want its own citizens knowing the truth about the Great Chinese Famine. They are doing it again. You just finished explaining to us how there is no point letting the Chinese people know the truth about the famine, yet you expect us to believe this BS? "Just finished explaining" ....what? The mistakes of the pre 1980's are long past. Now whether you believe current stats is up to you.

All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:35am:

All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked.

Not so true in rural areas. Poverty is prevalent.

Follow laowhy86 and serpentza. They lived 10 and 14 years, respectively in China. Both speak and read fluent Mandarin. Both worked extensively in China (including inadvertently for the CCP as 'white monkeys'). Both married Chinese citizens. Both had Chinese-descent children. Both left China due to surveillance by the CCP.

https://www.youtube.com/c/serpentza

https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86

https://www.youtube.com/c/ADVPodcasts/videos

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:54am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. Not so true in rural areas. Poverty is prevalent. Follow laowhy86 and serpentza. They lived 10 and 14 years, respectively in China. Both speak and read fluent Mandarin. Both worked extensively in China (including inadvertently for the CCP as 'white monkeys'). Both married Chinese citizens. Both had Chinese-descent children. Both left China due to surveillance by the CCP. https://www.youtube.com/c/serpentza https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/c/ADVPodcasts/videos

This is self selecting.  You are listening to people saying what you want to hear

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:54am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. Not so true in rural areas. Poverty is prevalent. Follow laowhy86 and serpentza. They lived 10 and 14 years, respectively in China. Both speak and read fluent Mandarin. Both worked extensively in China (including inadvertently for the CCP as 'white monkeys'). Both married Chinese citizens. Both had Chinese-descent children. Both left China due to surveillance by the CCP. https://www.youtube.com/c/serpentza https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/c/ADVPodcasts/videos This is self selecting.  You are listening to people saying what you want to hear

I am listening to two people who have a deep appreciation of Chinese culture and society and have had extensive personal experience dealing with the CCP and its apparatchiks.

Follow Drew Pavlou's issues with the CCP and its growing obsession with him.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2022 at 11:51am: The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  The real reason the CCP wants to keep its citizens in the dark about the Great Chinese famine is so that it can repeat those mistakes at will. It does not have the wellbeing of the Chinese people at heart. For example it cannot keep the lights on, not for any real lack of ability or resources, but in order save face on the global playing field. Of course, it is the Chinese people who suffer as a result. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1644727643 Another example - under-reporting of covid deaths. This no doubt leads to more deaths from covid, as the country will not provide resources to save the lives of its own citizens if it is lying to itself about whether they are dying. This is pretty much the exact same cause as the great Chinese famine - internal party politics causing regional leaders to misreport what is actually happening. Only problem is, they believe their own propaganda, and try to boast about the low death rate: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1643170908/289#289 It's like the CCP boasting about how well fed the Chinese people are while 50 million of them starve to death. This is why the CCP is so hostile to both democracy and basic freedoms, like freedom of the press, and publishes so much absurd propaganda against them. Both would save the lives of countless Chinese people, but it would come at the cost of CCP leaders losing face and the CCP losing power. Ironically, the CCP champions both democracy and free and open debate within the party as the best way of managing it. The CCP would literally prefer to kill Chinese people in large numbers than face reality. thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:15pm: Quote: Another good example of why the CCP doesn't want its own citizens knowing the truth about the Great Chinese Famine. They are doing it again. You just finished explaining to us how there is no point letting the Chinese people know the truth about the famine, yet you expect us to believe this BS? "Just finished explaining" ....what? The mistakes of the pre 1980's are long past. Now whether you believe current stats is up to you. All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked.

That's great for the Chinese people, though I here the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal.

Which part do you think is BS?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:00am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: [quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. That's great for the Chinese people, though I here the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal. Which part do you think is BS?

The words, LOL

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:00am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:55am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:54am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. Not so true in rural areas. Poverty is prevalent. Follow laowhy86 and serpentza. They lived 10 and 14 years, respectively in China. Both speak and read fluent Mandarin. Both worked extensively in China (including inadvertently for the CCP as 'white monkeys'). Both married Chinese citizens. Both had Chinese-descent children. Both left China due to surveillance by the CCP. https://www.youtube.com/c/serpentza https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/c/ADVPodcasts/videos This is self selecting.  You are listening to people saying what you want to hear I am listening to two people who have a deep appreciation of Chinese culture and society and have had extensive personal experience dealing with the CCP and its apparatchiks. Follow Drew Pavlou's issues with the CCP and its growing obsession with him.

Still right wing people hating China for succeeding

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:23am:

All the china bashing is basically racism.  We all know it

Did you know the CCP requires every Chinese to identify their ethnicity which it prints on their registration card?

The Nazis did that too.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:03am:

Still right wing people hating China for succeeding

So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:06am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:03am: Still right wing people hating China for succeeding So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then.

Just googled him.  Looks cloudy at best

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:10am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:03am: Still right wing people hating China for succeeding So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then. Just googled him.  Looks cloudy at best

One quick google, eh!

Why would the CCP require Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:12am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:10am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:03am: Still right wing people hating China for succeeding So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then. Just googled him.  Looks cloudy at best One quick google, eh! Why would the CCP require Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity?

This is called confirmation bias.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:12am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:10am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:03am: Still right wing people hating China for succeeding So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then. Just googled him.  Looks cloudy at best One quick google, eh! Why would the CCP require Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity? This is called confirmation bias.

And what is your confirmation bias?

Did you know the CCP requires Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:14am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:13am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:12am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:10am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:03am: Still right wing people hating China for succeeding So you haven't followed Pavlou and what has happened to him, then. Just googled him.  Looks cloudy at best One quick google, eh! Why would the CCP require Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity? This is called confirmation bias. And is your confirmation bias? Did you know the CCP requires Chinese citizens to formally identify their ethnicity?

The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism.

i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am:

The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News?

The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters.

Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:25am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity.

There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity. There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to

You need to look deeper into CCP ethno-chauvinism. It extends way further than Uighurs, as bad as that is.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:30am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity. There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to You need to look deeper into CCP ethno-chauvinism. It extends way further than Uighurs, as bad as that is.

I'm not a racist, I don't live in China so I can't control what they do, so, whatever.  I mean, if true, it's bad, but I can't change it, and geopolitical reality is we need to talk to the only superpower on earth

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:34am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:30am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity. There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to You need to look deeper into CCP ethno-chauvinism. It extends way further than Uighurs, as bad as that is. I'm not a racist, I don't live in China so I can't control what they do, so, whatever.  I mean, if true, it's bad, but I can't change it, and geopolitical reality is we need to talk to the only superpower on earth

What is race?

Not only is it not the only superpower on earth, the CCP has the lowest ranking of press freedom and personal freedom in the world, and it's military has never been tested in a war, with the exception of its war with Vietnam decades ago, which it lost.

As for, 'nothing I can do' - how does it go? 'First they came for...'

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:40am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:34am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:30am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity. There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to You need to look deeper into CCP ethno-chauvinism. It extends way further than Uighurs, as bad as that is. I'm not a racist, I don't live in China so I can't control what they do, so, whatever.  I mean, if true, it's bad, but I can't change it, and geopolitical reality is we need to talk to the only superpower on earth What is race? Not only is it not the only superpower on earth, the CCP has the lowest ranking of press freedom and personal freedom in the world, and it's military has never been tested in a war, with the exception of its war with Vietnam decades ago, which it lost. As for, 'nothing I can do' - how does it go? 'First they came for...'

Ranked by whom? LOL

It's the only superpower.

China won the Korean war LOL!!! Read a book.

No one is coming for anyone where I live.  I've been in the concentration camp cell of the man who wrote those words.  I am well aware that in my nation I stand with all minorities, not least on that principle. The right will always hate and destroy someone.  But that's not really applicable to another country.  No one in China is coming for me in Australia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:40am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:34am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:30am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am: The issue is I never claimed China was perfect.  I just said a lot of the lies told about them are based on racism. i've never heard that claim, I googled and found frankly nothing claiming it was true.  Got a link? Is it Sky News? The issue is not China or the Chinese; it's the CCP, which is a neo-fascist, ethno-chauvinistic mob of gangsters. Pavlou's political party which includes Uighur- and Tibetan-Australians who expressed their relief after becoming Australian citizens that, for the first time in their life, their formal identities do not include their respective ethnicity. There's a ton of videos on social media from Ughurs in China saying the whole thing is a beat up.  I'm not saying which side I believe, but I suspect it's more complex.  China DID face terrorist attacks from Ughurs, that's what they were responding to You need to look deeper into CCP ethno-chauvinism. It extends way further than Uighurs, as bad as that is. I'm not a racist, I don't live in China so I can't control what they do, so, whatever.  I mean, if true, it's bad, but I can't change it, and geopolitical reality is we need to talk to the only superpower on earth What is race? Not only is it not the only superpower on earth, the CCP has the lowest ranking of press freedom and personal freedom in the world, and it's military has never been tested in a war, with the exception of its war with Vietnam decades ago, which it lost. As for, 'nothing I can do' - how does it go? 'First they came for...'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index#Rankings

China is fifth from the bottom.  The inclusion of Vietnam tells me there's an anti communist bias to this.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:30am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:23am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:21am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 3:45pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20th, 2022 at 1:55pm: Imagine not knowing it's 2022 and China is the last remaining superpower.  Imagine not knowing no country has lifted more people out of poverty than China.... Another wumao / CCP prostitute has found its way to this forum. Or a rebadging of an old one. Just literate and not a smacking racist What is a racist? What is race? All the china bashing is basically racism.  We all know it No it's not. The CCP is not China or the Chinese. That is a conflation hammered by the CCP. What is race?

The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this. The first is that they do not belong to the Eurasian continent, so they have always been uncultured isolated barbarians who had no contact with the civilized world. second, they lost Hong Kong, which China liberated after centuries of British occupation. As a result of that, it is understandable that Anglosaxon brotherhood feel a huge complex of inferiority towards Chinese culture and civilization, expressing it through their primitive and aggressive racial intolerance towards the Chinese people.
:)

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:42am:

Ranked by whom? LOL It's the only superpower. China won the Korean war LOL!!! Read a book. No one is coming for anyone where I live.  I've been in the concentration camp cell of the man who wrote those words.  I am well aware that in my nation I stand with all minorities, not least on that principle. The right will always hate and destroy someone.  But that's not really applicable to another country.  No one in China is coming for me in Australia.

The Korean war has not been concluded and it was the Soviets who were the Mao's masters in Korea. Read a book.

When it comes to extreme politics, there is no left or right, they are the same; it's the reason Stalin and Hitler found common ground to carving up Poland and murdering Poles.

So, you're alright, Jack? Only, you have a lot to say in your role as, to use Stalin's phrase, 'a useful idiot' for the CCP.

athos wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:48am:

The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this.

We're fine with the Chinese people. It's the CCP and their prostitutes we have a problem with.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:43am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index#Rankings China is fifth from the bottom.  The inclusion of Vietnam tells me there's an anti communist bias to this.

Feel free to move to China and become a roving citizen-journalist.

Make a will before you go, it saves taxpayers' money by not overusing public services in determining the beneficiaries of your estate.

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2021 at 2:16pm:

Have you heard about this one Athos? The CCP basically starved your people to death. Apparently you cannot eat propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of great famine") was a period between 1959 and 1961 in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) characterized by widespread famine. The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million). The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, such as inefficient distribution of food due to the planned economy, requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques, the Four Pests Campaign that reduced bird populations (which disrupted the ecosystem), over-reporting of grain production (which was actually decreasing), and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.

You still ranting about macroeconomic mistakes made by the CCP attempting to lift the poorest large population on earth out of poverty, over half a century ago? 

Fast forward to now: both Oz and China are dealing with the requirement to house everyone.

Oz of course has achieved the distinction of creating  the biggest housing bubble and the most overpriced housing in the world... 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:15pm:

Oz of course has achieved the distinction of creating  the biggest housing bubble and the most overpriced housing in the world...

Miniscule in comparison to the CCP's Great Real Estate fraud - roads that lead to nowhere or end at ghost cities into which ordinary Chinese pour millions to buy then sell apartments that will never be occupied.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:57am:

athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am: The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this. We're fine with the Chinese people. It's the CCP and their prostitutes we have a problem with.

We are fine with Australian people. It's the ASIO (MI6), two party cartels and their colonial prostitutes we have a problem with.
:)

athos wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:57am: athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am: The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this. We're fine with the Chinese people. It's the CCP and their prostitutes we have a problem with. We are fine with Australian people. It's the ASIO (MI6) and their colonial prostitutes we have a problem with.

Yes. I've heard ASIO has the CCP rattled.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:29pm:

athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:57am: athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am: The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this. We're fine with the Chinese people. It's the CCP and their prostitutes we have a problem with. We are fine with Australian people. It's the ASIO (MI6) and their colonial prostitutes we have a problem with. Yes. I've heard ASIO has the CCP rattled.

My congrats to Aussies.
I heard this week that after Russian Satan wipes out the British Isles, the British convicts colony
Australia will become a sovereign country and get a democratically elected head of state and its own flag.


https://youtu.be/7SnTkc0r6gk

Even a nuclear explosion would not cause a 500-metre high wave. And a 500-metre high wave would not be high enough to wipe out all of Britain. A wave that high would do a lot of damage to the coastline towns and cities. But, you would not see the wave go much more than probably 10km inland, assuming the impact site is relatively flat.

A nuclear explosion underwater near Britain would flash boil a large volume of water. The environmental damage would be severe for the area. And the weather would change to unusual weather events for a period of about a week.

We have already seen how underwater nuclear explosions have worked with the Mururoa nuclear tests by the French back in the mid-1990s. The Russian host is deluded.

athos wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:29pm: athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:57am: athos wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am: The Anglo-Saxons are the biggest racists and they especially don't like the Chinese. There are several reasons for this. We're fine with the Chinese people. It's the CCP and their prostitutes we have a problem with. We are fine with Australian people. It's the ASIO (MI6) and their colonial prostitutes we have a problem with. Yes. I've heard ASIO has the CCP rattled. My congrats to Aussies. I heard this week that after Russian Satan wipes out the British Isles, the British convicts colony Australia will become a sovereign country and get a democratically elected head of state and its own flag. []https://youtu.be/7SnTkc0r6gk[]

Always where the coward runs to. Idle threats.

Forgetting that the west has nuclear arms too and neither Putin nor the CCP will be exempt from their effects.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:00am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: [quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. That's great for the Chinese people, though I here the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal. Which part do you think is BS? The words, LOL

Any words in particular?

Are you saying that China's power blackouts are not real because the lights were on once when you visited?

And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:15pm: Oz of course has achieved the distinction of creating  the biggest housing bubble and the most overpriced housing in the world...  Miniscule in comparison to the CCP's Great Real Estate fraud - roads that lead to nowhere or end at ghost cities into which ordinary Chinese pour millions to buy then sell apartments that will never be occupied.

Interesting.  China is building houses that remain empty, while Oz isn't building enough houses, and instead is creating the world's largest over-priced housing bubble.   
Which problem would you rather have?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:25pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:02am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:00am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: [quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. That's great for the Chinese people, though I here the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal. Which part do you think is BS? The words, LOL Any words in particular? Are you saying that China's power blackouts are not real because the lights were on once when you visited? And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people?

My god this is tiresome bullshit.  Mistakes made in 1950 don't define China today

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:25pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:02am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:00am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2022 at 11:51am: The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. That's great for the Chinese people, though I here** the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal. Which part do you think is BS? The words, LOL Any words in particular? Are you saying that China's power blackouts are not real because the lights were on once when you visited? China's power blackouts happened last year, due to a combination of factor acting together (restriction of Oz coal imports being of lesser importance). The CCP has fixed it by ordering more local coal production, while continuing with renewables expansion.  [quote]And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people?

Er, that was over half a century ago, as has been explained to you many times.  Since then the CCP has achieved the fastest increase in living standards of any nation in history.



 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

The CCP has fixed it by ordering more local coal production, while continuing with renewables expansion.

Except, of course, that many Chinese coal-fired plants are designed for high-quality coal which China does not have, so producing more low-quality coal didn't fix the problem.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:23pm:

My god this is tiresome bullshit.  Mistakes made in 1950 don't define China today

What mistakes define the CCP today?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:15pm: Oz of course has achieved the distinction of creating  the biggest housing bubble and the most overpriced housing in the world...  Miniscule in comparison to the CCP's Great Real Estate fraud - roads that lead to nowhere or end at ghost cities into which ordinary Chinese pour millions to buy then sell apartments that will never be occupied. Interesting.  China is building houses that remain empty, while Oz isn't building enough houses, and instead is creating the world's largest over-priced housing bubble.    Which problem would you rather have?

Not only remain empty, but can never be used given the infrastructure to support them doesn't exist, notwithstanding that no maintenance is carried out on them. No power, no water; that and the billions lost on this fake real estate, using the treasure belonging to the Chinese people, not including the uncountable bribes taken by CCP officials.

Australia's problem is a stubbed toe compared to the catastrophe that awaits the Chinese people through theft, fraud, corruption and incompetence (on a gargantuan scale) perpetrated by the CCP.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm: thegreatdivide wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 12:15pm: Oz of course has achieved the distinction of creating  the biggest housing bubble and the most overpriced housing in the world...  Miniscule in comparison to the CCP's Great Real Estate fraud - roads that lead to nowhere or end at ghost cities into which ordinary Chinese pour millions to buy then sell apartments that will never be occupied. Interesting.  China is building houses that remain empty, while Oz isn't building enough houses, and instead is creating the world's largest over-priced housing bubble.    Which problem would you rather have? Not only remain empty, but can never be used given the infrastructure to support them doesn't exist, notwithstanding that no maintenance is carried out on them. No power, no water; that and the billions lost on this fake real estate, using the treasure belonging to the Chinese people, not including the uncountable bribes taken by CCP officials. Australia's problem is a stubbed toe compared to the catastrophe that awaits the Chinese people through theft, fraud, corruption and incompetence (on a gargantuan scale) perpetrated by the CCP.

Still raised more people out of poverty than any other nation....  I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities?

You thought wrong.

The Chinese people only have real estate as an investment and so they pour their life savings into apartments.

The CCP hit on the idea of just building hundreds of cities throughout China that remain empty but on paper look like an investment. The Chinese people buy apartments in them, hold them for a certain time, then sell at a profit, without anyone having lived in them or will ever live in them.

Pyramid scam much?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:47pm: I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities? You thought wrong.

So says the neoliberal, free market ideologue - talk about "thinking", while the world is drowning in debt.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/04/ellen-brown-a-monetary-reset-where-the-rich-dont-own-everything/

Ellen Brown: A Monetary Reset Where the Rich Don’t Own EverythingMay 4, 2022

"We have a serious debt problem, but solutions such as the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset” are not the future we want. It’s time to think outside the box for some new solutions".

China is dealing with the same neoliberal, market-led real-estate Ponzi, but the CCP can manage market failure, unlike the West.


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The Chinese people only have real estate as an investment and so they pour their life savings into apartments. The CCP hit on the idea of just building hundreds of cities throughout China that remain empty but on paper look like an investment. The Chinese people buy apartments in them, hold them for a certain time, then sell at a profit, without anyone having lived in them or will ever live in them.

Mostly ideological garbage from a blind "freedom" ideologue. China is not so wealthy it can build and invest in property no-one will ever live in, nor building roads to nowhere.    


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Pyramid scam much?

Addressed above; China must deal with real estate  Ponzi schemes, same as Oz. 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:51pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:47pm: I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities? You thought wrong. So says the neoliberal, free market ideologue - talk about "thinking", while the world is drowning in debt.

Drowning in debt eh! The CCP has dragged the Chinese people are so far down, they're looking up at down.


thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

Quote: The Chinese people only have real estate as an investment and so they pour their life savings into apartments. The CCP hit on the idea of just building hundreds of cities throughout China that remain empty but on paper look like an investment. The Chinese people buy apartments in them, hold them for a certain time, then sell at a profit, without anyone having lived in them or will ever live in them. Mostly ideological garbage from a blind "freedom" ideologue. China is not so wealthy it can build and invest in property no-one will ever live in, nor building roads to nowhere.

  
The only blind ideologue here is you and the other CCP prostitute here; although that's coming to an end as the CCP calculates how much damage it's done to itself on the world stage. Guess they worked out it's not a good idea to call someone out for bad breath with sh!t running down their legs.


thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

Quote: Pyramid scam much? Addressed above; China must deal with real estate  Ponzi schemes, same as Oz.

The CCP's real estate scams are pyramids the size of Everest.

No regime in history has scammed more people than it killed like the CCP. It even beats Soviet communism; at least none of the people in Russia, central Asia and eastern Europe had any money to be scammed out of.

What little the Chinese people had is gone, with nearly half of it on bribes and kickbacks to the CCP; the other half on buying an unliveable concrete box in a ghost city.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 12:09am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:05pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:51pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:47pm: I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities? You thought wrong. So says the neoliberal, free market ideologue - talk about "thinking", while the world is drowning in debt. Drowning in debt eh! The CCP has dragged the Chinese people are so far down, they're looking up at down.

Now that IS a word salad! ..to avoid facing your ignorance of economics  (at best, or sheer 'survival of the fittest' malevolence at worst);  and the current reality of public and private debt around the globe - with some individuals wealthier than half the world's nations. 


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The only blind ideologue here is you and the other CCP prostitute here;

refuted above, you can't address the global debt crisis, not to mention the over-priced real-estate ponzi investment schemes which naturally arise in market economies, as noted above.   


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although that's coming to an end as the CCP calculates how much damage it's done to itself on the world stage. Guess they worked out it's not a good idea to call someone out for bad breath with sh!t running down their legs.

Imagery as filthy as your Conservative "rights" ideology, brilliantly exposed in this tweet,  following  the slaughter of innocents in "the land of the free" yesterday:

@JaneCaro
May 25
America: the land where women are forced to give birth because of 'right to life', where men are free to buy weapons of deadly capacity because of 'right to bear arms', and where few can see the contradiction.




thegreatdivide wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

The CCP's real estate scams are pyramids the size of Everest.

China has 40 times the population of Oz; and the world's most extensive HS rail network.


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No regime in history has scammed more people than it killed like the CCP. It even beats Soviet communism; at least none of the people in Russia, central Asia and eastern Europe had any money to be scammed out of.

Your unregulated 'invisible hand' markets are the ultimate scam. The CCP is finding that out the hard way.


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What little the Chinese people had is gone, with nearly half of it on bribes and kickbacks to the CCP; the other half on buying an unliveable concrete box in a ghost city.

Certainly the CCP didn't realize the adoption of free markets has a downside, especially when houses are employed as investment vehicles. The CCP is dealing with that now. 

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 2:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26th, 2022 at 12:09am: thegreatdivide wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:05pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:51pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23rd, 2022 at 1:47pm: I thought those cities were built for future growth of people moving off the land to cities? You thought wrong. So says the neoliberal, free market ideologue - talk about "thinking", while the world is drowning in debt. Drowning in debt eh! The CCP has dragged the Chinese people are so far down, they're looking up at down. Now that IS a word salad!

No. It's satire.

How aware are the Chinese people of the Chinese real estate pyramid scam, I wonder.

Apparently, it is illegal to receive information about the covid situation outside China from foreign sources as the CCP are pushing the line that the world is collapsing and only China is still standing. Those who do receive information from outside are warned to delete any messages received and not forward it on.

No doubt the Great Pyramid Scam is unknown to the Chinese people.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 2:50pm:

China has 40 times the population of Oz; and the world's most extensive HS rail network.

Just read the the US are removing Chinese-made trains from service due to their poor construction and safety record.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 2:50pm:

Quote: What little the Chinese people had is gone, with nearly half of it on bribes and kickbacks to the CCP; the other half on buying an unliveable concrete box in a ghost city. Certainly the CCP didn't realize the adoption of free markets has a downside, especially when houses are employed as investment vehicles. The CCP is dealing with that now.

Yeah, sure they didn't!

Making money hand-over-fist without restrictions on corruption. Nobody told the CCP, eh. And never mind that is was CCP prostitutes who were/are the ones making the most money from corruption and kickbacks.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 11:22pm:

No. It's satire. How aware are the Chinese people of the Chinese real estate pyramid scam, I wonder.

Very,  they have just suffered the Evergrande collapse which badly affected many middle class investors.
Fortunately the CCP was able to contain the damage, unlike the US whose 'subprime' disaster brought down the entire global economy. (GFC).   


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Apparently, it is illegal to receive information about the covid situation outside China from foreign sources as the CCP are pushing the line that the world is collapsing and only China is still standing. Those who do receive information from outside are warned to delete any messages received and not forward it on.

 

China wants to avoid India's fate; China is not rich enough to provide hospital treatment for their vast population. 


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No doubt the Great Pyramid Scam is unknown to the Chinese people.

Surely you know about the Evergrande collapse?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 12:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26th, 2022 at 11:22pm: No. It's satire. How aware are the Chinese people of the Chinese real estate pyramid scam, I wonder. Very,  they have just suffered the Evergrande collapse which badly affected many middle class investors. Fortunately the CCP was able to contain the damage, unlike the US whose 'subprime' disaster brought down the entire global economy. (GFC).

A common rejigged ending to movies shown in China: 'Fortunately the CCP was able to contain the damage'; like 'Fight Club' where, instead of the movie ending as originally shot, in China the CCP cut the ending off with a message 'Fortunately the police were able to figure out the plan and the culprits were all arrested and punished'.

'unlike the US...'! The CCP and its prostitutes - always comparing itself to the US. Inferiority complex much?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 12:07am:

Quote: Apparently, it is illegal to receive information about the covid situation outside China from foreign sources as the CCP are pushing the line that the world is collapsing and only China is still standing. Those who do receive information from outside are warned to delete any messages received and not forward it on.   China wants to avoid India's fate; China is not rich enough to provide hospital treatment for their vast population.

By lying to the people on a gargantuan scale. Very convenient that it's only the CCP that benefits from these lies, not the people; avoiding uncomfortable truths, like the CCP-made vaccines were ineffective.

It's a laugh to watch those set up shots of 'big whites' disinfecting streets, parks and sides of buildings with spray guns, while the rest of the world is well aware that the virus does not survive in streets, parks and sides of buildings.

No one is allowed to question what that much disinfectant will do once it's in the local water system.

All done to dupe the people into thinking the CCP is onto it.

Lies and deception are the CCP's only 'talents'.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 12:07am:

Quote: No doubt the Great Pyramid Scam is unknown to the Chinese people. Surely you know about the Evergrande collapse?

As does the world outside China.

What's certain is that the Chinese people would be unaware of how serious the CCP's Great Pyramid Scam really is.

Similar in ignorance to eastern Europeans and Russians after the collapse of the Soviet Union - what was long known to the rest of the world for decades was a sudden revelation to them.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 7:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 27th, 2022 at 12:07am: Quote: No doubt the Great Pyramid Scam is unknown to the Chinese people. Surely you know about the Evergrande collapse? As does the world outside China. What's certain is that the Chinese people would be unaware of how serious the CCP's Great Pyramid Scam really is.

You suffering from memory loss - or just ideological blindness?

A couple of posts back I addressed the point:

"....they have just suffered the Evergrande collapse which badly affected many middle class investors."

What no-one in China from the CCP down knew about, is the possibility of market failure in dysfunctional "invisible hand" free markets. Even Xi has had to learn: "houses are for living in ", not for investment vehicles.

Meanwhile greedy Oz investors (who rejected Labor's sensible negative gearing reforms in 2019)  refuse to learn, thereby supporting the biggest property bubble in the world while homelessness and unaffordable rents are a growing problem. 

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 3:25pm: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:02am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 11:00am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 10:35am: freediver wrote on Feb 13th, 2022 at 4:09pm: [quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] The CCP is well aware of past mistakes and has no intention of repeating them; it has too many other tasks in advancing the nation's well-being, rather than teaching past mistakes to the present generation.  All of this is bullshit.  I've travelled through china.  There was lots of food and the lights worked. That's great for the Chinese people, though I here the lights have stopped working since the CCP decided to punish Australia by not buying our coal. Which part do you think is BS? The words, LOL Any words in particular? Are you saying that China's power blackouts are not real because the lights were on once when you visited? And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people? My god this is tiresome bullshit.  Mistakes made in 1950 don't define China today

Sure they do. They have shaped the CCP, which is why the CCP is repeating the exact same mistakes today, and is continuing to kill millions of people through their lies and incompetence. These mistakes have been ingrained into the culture of the ruling institution.

Your argument is no less idiotic than saying we should let the Nazis rule because it has been a while since they last got to kill millions of people.

People actually sympathise with the Nazis because of the growing anti-white feeling around the world coming to the attention of Europeans and other caucasian majority societies. They, however, do not want to see millions of people dead.

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2022 at 11:01am:

[quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/64#64 date=1653276201][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/62#62 date=1653197111][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] Sure they do. They have shaped the CCP, which is why the CCP is repeating the exact same mistakes today, and is continuing to kill millions of people through their lies and incompetence. These mistakes have been ingrained into the culture of the ruling institution. Your argument is no less idiotic than saying we should let the Nazis rule because it has been a while since they last got to kill millions of people.

Why do you hate the Chinese?  Was your 3D Printer or drone delivered later than promised or something?

http://i.imgur.com/wV0H8hw.gif

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2022 at 3:55pm:

People actually sympathise with the Nazis because of the growing anti-white feeling around the world coming to the attention of Europeans and other caucasian majority societies. They, however, do not want to see millions of people dead.

I don't think the CCP wanted to kill millions of Chinese people either. It was just incompetence on a massive scale.

Military/Politics/Religion will always be incompetent in the hands of men in Africa, Europe, Asia and Oceania.

...unlike in Sahul, Nth America, Sth America and Middle-East.

That's why the CCP will ultimately fail.

The Great Famine—and China’s ban on Australian coal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGzCQZUrs2k&ab_channel=JackChapple

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 26^th, 2022 at 11:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 26th, 2022 at 2:50pm: China has 40 times the population of Oz; and the world's most extensive HS rail network. Just read the the US are removing Chinese-made trains from service due to their poor construction and safety record.

US Train
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8n2IsEoDY_o/hqdefault.jpg

Chinese Train
https://www.travelchinacheaper.com/wp-content/uploads/Chinese-High-Speed-Train.jpg

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:25pm:

[quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people?

Facts about hunger in America

[olist]

   According to the USDA, more than 38 million people, including 12 million children, in the United States are food insecure.

    The pandemic has increased food insecurity among families with children and communities of color, who already faced hunger at much higher rates before the pandemic.

    Every community in the country is home to families who face hunger. But rural communities are especially hard hit by hunger.

   Many households that experience food insecurity do not qualify for federal nutrition programs and visit their local food banks and other food programs for extra support.
[/olist]

https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america

https://c.tenor.com/ZYRb0JJFGR4AAAAM/finger-shake-disapprove.gif

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 9:31am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4th, 2022 at 3:55pm: People actually sympathise with the Nazis because of the growing anti-white feeling around the world coming to the attention of Europeans and other caucasian majority societies. They, however, do not want to see millions of people dead. I don't think the CCP wanted to kill millions of Chinese people either. It was just incompetence on a massive scale.

It was definitely incompetence on a gargantuan scale, but it wasn't just incompetence.

Leaving aside the political upheavals in China during the 30s and 40s, there was Mao's psychopathology that easily matched Stalin's.

Mao was obsessed with demonstrating to Stalin that he (Mao) could pull off an economic miracle instantaneously.

For his part, Stalin had a deep contempt for the Chinese, considering them (as he did with Jews) to be sub-human - he even created a region literally called "Jewish" in the far east (bordering China) as a dumping ground for the Soviet Union's Jews.

Another issue, which affected Stalin personally, was his height. Stalin was 165cm tall. Mao was 180cm. Nothing irked Stalin more at photo-opportunities than to be seen as the short guy.

Combining these two, Stalin was deeply reluctant to meet Mao publically and famously kept Mao waiting at the train station for nearly 2 hours, when Mao visited the Soviet Union, to demonstrate his contempt.

Mao, on the other hand, being so obsessed with proving that his brand of communism had a mystical capacity for elevating China to equal status with the Soviet Union, decided to prove that by being capable of feeding the Chinese people and producing enough grain to export to the Soviet Union.

The fact that China wasn't even close to achieving both was irrelevant to him. and the latter (export) was paramount over the former.

Mao simply imposed export quotas on the provinces that, when impossible to meet, were falsified by CCP provincial leaders at the cost of starving the people to death. Mao had no problem with that, so long as the export quotas were met.

Of course, the madcap evils of the great sparrow killing and the great leap backwards only accelerated the misery of the Chinese people to be even worse than what Orwell had prophesied.

This, more than Orwellian, period led to the instilling of a psychopathic mindset that still is infused into CCP thinking today.

How the tables have turned.
Now Xi holds Putin in contempt.

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 3:25pm: [quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people? Facts about hunger in America [olist]    According to the USDA, more than 38 million people, including 12 million children, in the United States are food insecure.     The pandemic has increased food insecurity among families with children and communities of color, who already faced hunger at much higher rates before the pandemic.     Every community in the country is home to families who face hunger. But rural communities are especially hard hit by hunger.    Many households that experience food insecurity do not qualify for federal nutrition programs and visit their local food banks and other food programs for extra support. [/olist] https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america https://c.tenor.com/ZYRb0JJFGR4AAAAM/finger-shake-disapprove.gif

Bump to new page.

So is this incompetence too?

Nations with HUGE populations (the body)
and a small amount of people in charge (the mind)
are what is known as 'Labourers' (Goombas).
Huge strong bodies (population), but with a small amount of brain cells up top running the show (pea-brain).

Super-Powers (Goomba Labourers).

...that's right folks. The world is f*ucked, because the Labourers are in charge. It's still a 'primitive' world afterall.

Jasin wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 7:40am:

Nations with HUGE populations (the body) and a small amount of people in charge (the mind) are what is known as 'Labourers' (Goombas). Huge strong bodies (population), but with a small amount of brain cells up top running the show (pea-brain). Super-Powers (Goomba Labourers). ...that's right folks. The world is f*ucked, because the Labourers are in charge. It's still a 'primitive' world afterall.

Do you have a breathalyzer thingy in your house?

If so, use it and if it registers something, stop posting for a while.
If it says zero, make an appointment with a GP to give you are referral to someone who may be able to help.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/amPVvMV_460s.jpg

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 7:34am:

random wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:01am: freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 3:25pm: [quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people? Facts about hunger in America [olist]    According to the USDA, more than 38 million people, including 12 million children, in the United States are food insecure.     The pandemic has increased food insecurity among families with children and communities of color, who already faced hunger at much higher rates before the pandemic.     Every community in the country is home to families who face hunger. But rural communities are especially hard hit by hunger.    Many households that experience food insecurity do not qualify for federal nutrition programs and visit their local food banks and other food programs for extra support. [/olist] https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america https://c.tenor.com/ZYRb0JJFGR4AAAAM/finger-shake-disapprove.gif Bump to new page. So is this incompetence too?

Dwarfed by the problems of food security and distribution in China today under the CCP.

The issue is hidden from the people and (particularly) the world when the CCP conducts grain audits. If figures can't be falsified, the granary silos routinely, 'mysteriously', catch fire so the alleged accounts reported to the auditors become unverifiable.

The ghost of Mao will haunt the Chinese people while the CCP remains in power.

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 3:25pm: [quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] And what about the famine, caused by CCP lies and incompetence, that killed millions of Chinese people? Facts about hunger in America [olist]    According to the USDA, more than 38 million people, including 12 million children, in the United States are food insecure.     The pandemic has increased food insecurity among families with children and communities of color, who already faced hunger at much higher rates before the pandemic.     Every community in the country is home to families who face hunger. But rural communities are especially hard hit by hunger.    Many households that experience food insecurity do not qualify for federal nutrition programs and visit their local food banks and other food programs for extra support. [/olist] https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america https://c.tenor.com/ZYRb0JJFGR4AAAAM/finger-shake-disapprove.gif

50 million Chinese starved to death in a single famine due to CCP incompetence. And all you can do is change the subject to America. Do you think this is an American forum?

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:02pm:

[quote author=random link=1633234581/89#89 date=1654549313][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/62#62 date=1653197111][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/35#35 date=1653181359][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/34#34 date=1653181239][quote author=FutureTheLeftWant link=1633234581/30#30 date=1653179757][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/14#14 date=1644732587][quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1643170908/114#114 date=1643507508] 50 million Chinese starved to death in a single famine due to CCP incompetence. And all you can do is change the subject to America. Do you think this is an American forum?

Well, call me cautious but I don't just accept your figure.  That is the very highest of the estimate range.

Add to that, in the same way that people on this forum claim that they did not personally engage in the genocide of Australian Aboriginies, the current CCP government has nothing to do with the famine.  In fact their model is nothing like "The Great Leap Forward" that caused the famine.

On the other hand those of you spreading the Kool-aide of Demoncracy as if it was the panacea of everything, how's that working out for ya?  Seems to me that China is doing quite well by comparison, at least till the real eastate finally crashes.  And that is something already done by both Japan and then the USA.

Your Famine bullshite is ... scary scary nothing to see here bullshite, that just exposes your personal biases.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/55/26/bc5526a3e20e7c284e86c8bb231439a1.gif

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Well, call me cautious but I don't just accept your figure.  That is the very highest of the estimate range.

Crap.

Wikipedia puts it at up to 55 million. It's in the OP. Would you regard the CCP as competent if they hade only starved 45 million Chinese people to death through their mind-blowing incompetence? How many millions have to die before you think it reflects badly on the CCP?


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the current CCP government has nothing to do with the famine

Crap.

Today's CCP is the same institution. It was shaped by the incompetence that lead to the great Chinese famine, and even more, was shaped by their ability to get away with it. It is ingrained into the culture of the CCP. Which is why you see them repeating the exact same mistakes today, and killing millions more people as a result. The only thing they are good at is staying in power. And as they repeatedly demonstrate, not killing millions of your own citizens, or millions of world citizens, doesn't really factor into that, if you are good enough at lying to bullshit your way out of it.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Quote: Well, call me cautious but I don't just accept your figure.  That is the very highest of the estimate range. Crap. Wikipedia puts it at up to 55 million. It's in the OP. Would you regard the CCP as competent if they hade only starved 45 million Chinese people to death through their mind-blowing incompetence? How many millions have to die before you think it reflects badly on the CCP? [quote]the current CCP government has nothing to do with the famine

Crap.

Today's CCP is the same institution. It was shaped by the incompetence that lead to the great Chinese famine, and even more, was shaped by their ability to get away with it. Which is why you see them repeating the exact same mistakes today, and killing millions more people as a result. The only thing they are good at is staying in power. And as they repeatedly demonstrate, not killing millions of your own citizens, or millions of world citizens, doesn't really factor into that, if you are good enough as lying to bullshit your way out of it.[/quote]

You confirmed what I said.  Top to the range.  I could have been 15m.  You, with your biases prefer to go high.  Meanwhile 40 million people in the cradle of democracy live on Food Stamps.

How much stuff were the Chinese selling to the US at the time of the famine?  I can tell you ... Faark all.  Now they are the economic powerhouse of the planet, nothing like they were but you make out they are.

I like how the Chinese reign in anyone who thinks they are bigger than 'the people'.  In the US and Australia, a very few businesses run the government through donations and media support.  I do not like that.

I do not want to live under the Chinese system, but I am not 'one-eyed' and prejudice enough to not see good points of it, and there are some.

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You confirmed what I said.  Top to the range.

Are you slow? Wikipedia puts it at up to 55 million. You responded by insisting that 50 million is "the very highest of the estimate range". What on earth makes you think I am agreeing with you?


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How much stuff were the Chinese selling to the US at the time of the famine?  I can tell you ... Faark all.  Now they are the economic powerhouse of the planet, nothing like they were but you make out they are.

Quote me, or stop telling lies.


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I do not want to live under the Chinese system, but I am not 'one-eyed' and prejudice enough to not see good points of it, and there are some.

LOL. Do tell. Why are you so eager to lie on their behalf?

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Would you regard the CCP as competent if they hade only starved 45 million Chinese people to death through their mind-blowing incompetence? How many millions have to die before you think it reflects badly on the CCP?

It's like that stupid argument that was had a few years back about whether the Nazis killed 6 million Jews or really 'only' around 5 million.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 4:53pm: Would you regard the CCP as competent if they hade only starved 45 million Chinese people to death through their mind-blowing incompetence? How many millions have to die before you think it reflects badly on the CCP? It's like that stupid argument that was had a few years back about whether the Nazis killed 6 million Jews or really 'only' around 5 million.

Exactly. The CCP killed about ten times as many of it's own people, by trying to feed them all equally.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Quote: Well, call me cautious but I don't just accept your figure.  That is the very highest of the estimate range. How many millions have to die before you think it reflects badly on the CCP?

Reflects badly?   

I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated!

Marmy marmy the bad mad said it 'reflected badly' on me marmy!!

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I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated!

I'm sure they don't give a bugger. Which is why they keep repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people. No matter how monumentally they f. up, they just lie their way out of it. It's the only thing they are good at.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:26pm:

Quote: I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! I'm sure they don't give a bugger. Which is why they keep repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people. No matter how monumentally they f. up, they just lie their way out of it. It's the only thing they are good at.

Gee hey, leaders tell lies?  Really?

And it's only the Chinese right?

A dossier of lies and falsehoods

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

So, tell me, I won't tell anyone else ... Why do you hate the Chinese?

Did some of you relatives starve to death there in 1960?

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:26pm: Quote: I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! I'm sure they don't give a bugger. Which is why they keep repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people. No matter how monumentally they f. up, they just lie their way out of it. It's the only thing they are good at. Gee hey, leaders tell lies?  Really? And it's only the Chinese right? A dossier of lies and falsehoods https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/ So, tell me, I won't tell anyone else ... Why do you hate the Chinese? Did some of you relatives starve to death there in 1960?

Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons.

And why are you so eager to come to their defence with your silly little lies? What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned?

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:35pm:

random wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:33pm: [quote author=freediver link=1633234581/104#104 date=1654586806][quote]I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons. And why are you so eager to come to their defence with your silly little lies? What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned?

I am not defending them, I'm shooting holes on your bullshite.

So do you feel guilty for killing all those Aborigines?

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:35pm: random wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:33pm: freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:26pm: Quote: I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! I'm sure they don't give a bugger. Which is why they keep repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people. No matter how monumentally they f. up, they just lie their way out of it. It's the only thing they are good at. Gee hey, leaders tell lies?  Really? And it's only the Chinese right? A dossier of lies and falsehoods https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/ So, tell me, I won't tell anyone else ... Why do you hate the Chinese? Did some of you relatives starve to death there in 1960? Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons. And why are you so eager to come to their defence with your silly little lies? What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned? I am not defending them, I'm shooting holes on your bullshite. So do you feel guilty for killing all those Aborigines?

I don't feel any guilt at all. Nor do I see any relevance.

Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons.

You defend them at every opportunity. You make up lies to defend them. Why?

What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned?

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

random wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm: [quote author=freediver link=1633234581/106#106 date=1654587316][quote author=random link=1633234581/105#105 date=1654587232][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/104#104 date=1654586806][quote]I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! I don't feel any guilt at all. Nor do I see any relevance. Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons. You defend them at every opportunity. You make up lies to defend them. Why? What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned?

That's weak as piss and you know it.

Comparison to Australian genocide is relevant.  They weren't there we weren't there,  We are still more like those that raped and killed them than the Chinese government is the Mao era.  It's just you racism that's stopping you from admitting it.

I do not defend the CCP.  I rail against racists and bigots who throw 'estimated' numbers and stories around to spread their bile.  Your criticism of the 'CCP' is code for racism.  I don't think give two faarks about Chinese farmers starving, it's just fodder for your stories.

Fake outrage.

random wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:45pm: random wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm: [quote author=freediver link=1633234581/106#106 date=1654587316][quote author=random link=1633234581/105#105 date=1654587232][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/104#104 date=1654586806][quote]I'm sure the Chinese leadership is devastated! I don't feel any guilt at all. Nor do I see any relevance. Show me another government that got away with starving 50 million of their own citizens to death through sheer incompetence? Normally we associate that sort of thing with a twisted, evil mastermind. But the CCP managed it just by being complete morons. You defend them at every opportunity. You make up lies to defend them. Why? What are these advantages of living under the yoke of the CCP you mentioned? That's weak as piss and you know it. Comparison to Australian genocide is relevant.  They weren't there we weren't there,  We are still more like those that raped and killed them than the Chinese government is the Mao era.  It's just you racism that's stopping you from admitting it. I do not defend the CCP.  I rail against racists and bigots who throw 'estimated' numbers and stories around to spread their bile.  Your criticism of the 'CCP' is code for racism.  I don't think give two faarks about Chinese farmers starving, it's just fodder for your stories. Fake outrage.

CCP prostitutes are trained to underestimate the intelligence of non-Han Chinese.

"I do not defend the CCP"; even as you defend the CCP.

The CCP doesn't encourage intelligent and free debate among its prostitutes.

I hope for your sake you've earned a few extra cigarettes for your posts from the guards.

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Comparison to Australian genocide is relevant.  They weren't there we weren't there

The CCP is still there. Making the same idiotic mistakes. Telling the same lies. Killing millions with their incompetence.


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I do not defend the CCP.

Yes you do. Every chance you get. You even tell lies to do so.


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I rail against racists and bigots who throw 'estimated' numbers and stories around to spread their bile.

It's not my fault the CCP did not bother counting how many millions of Chinese people they starved to death with their incompetence. At least the Nazis kept good records.


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Your criticism of the 'CCP' is code for racism.

This is an example of the lies you tell to defend the CCP. You care so little about the 50 million Chinese people that they starved to death with their lies and incompetence that you have to go looking for alternative explanations for the motives of their critics.


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I don't think give two faarks about Chinese farmers starving, it's just fodder for your stories.

Now this part I believe. Neither does the CCP, by the way.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 9:09pm:

Quote: Comparison to Australian genocide is relevant.  They weren't there we weren't there [quote]I don't think give two faarks about Chinese farmers starving, it's just fodder for your stories.

Now this part I believe. Neither does the CCP, by the way.[/quote]

So do you feel guilty for killing all the Aborigines?

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You are repeating yourself Random.

And you still have not explained why you think the question is relevant. Do the aborigines somehow justify your efforts to excuse the CCP for starving 50 million Chinese people to death through sheer incompetence?

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 11:38am:

You are repeating yourself Random. And you still have not explained why you think the question is relevant. Do the aborigines somehow justify your efforts to excuse the CCP for starving 50 million Chinese people to death through sheer incompetence?

Incompetence?  Really?

"Oh no there is a government somewhere in the world that is incompetent!"

I'll take that over deliberate, systematic execution of Aborigines.  That faarking eveil poo.  Guns Vs Spears even.  What kunts!

Meanwhile on another planet, decendants of the murderers are complaining about some other government?

YCMTSU

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"Oh no there is a government somewhere in the world that is incompetent!"

When that incompetence kills 50 million people, it is kind of important. Especially when they manage to stay in power through lying and go on repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

Quote: "Oh no there is a government somewhere in the world that is incompetent!" When that incompetence kills 50 million people, it is kind of important. Especially when they manage to stay in power through lying and go on repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people.

And who was it who said, "Power grows from the barrel of a gun" ?

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

Quote: "Oh no there is a government somewhere in the world that is incompetent!" When that incompetence kills 50 million people, it is kind of important. Especially when they manage to stay in power through lying and go on repeating the same mistakes, killing millions more people.

SO they are incncompetent?

Did you complain when Australia was managed by SCOMO?

There are plenty of countries around the planet with incompetent governments.  But you are only worried about China.

You do not give a Faark about the 50 million who 'supposedly' died, you hate the Chinese, even though they have done nothing to hurt you.

This is what you posts do to my bullshite detector.

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Do you feel guilty for killing all those Aborigines?

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SO they are incncompetent? Did you complain when Australia was managed by SCOMO?

Yes the CCP is incompetent.

And our democracy would not allow the PM to make a "little error" that accidentally starves 50 million people to death by trying to feed them. Which is why all the CCP stooges are so busy trying to pretend democracy is evil.


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You do not give a Faark about the 50 million who 'supposedly' died, you hate the Chinese, even though they have done nothing to hurt you.

You are full of crap, desperate to come up with some way to defend the CCP. Why?

And why do you equate criticism of the CCP with hatred of the Chinese people? The CCP is not the Chinese people. The CCP is the enemy of the Chinese people. It is the enemy of everyone now that their lies and incompetence has unleashed covid on the world. CCP stupidity is so monumental it is deadly. To millions.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

You are full of crap, desperate to come up with some way to defend the CCP. Why?

He's seen what the guards do to prisoners with an empty Baijiu bottle, if their posts don't hit the mark.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 8:05pm:

Quote: SO they are incncompetent? Did you complain when Australia was managed by SCOMO? Yes the CCP is incompetent.

Marrmy Marmy the CCP are incompetent!

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You keep accusing me about not caring about the 50 million people the CCP starved to death with their incompetent efforts at food distribution, or the millions of people around the world that the CCP killed with their incompetent management of the covid outbreak. But it looks to me like it is you and the CCP who do not care.

If the CCP cared about the millions of people they kill, they would put as much effort into running the country competently as they do into lying to stay in power. And if you cared about them you would stop making such feeble excuses for the CCP. And you would stop getting hysterical about whether I really care, then in the next post making 50 million corpses out to be some kind of joke.

The CCP's incompetence is dangerous to the tune of tens of millions of deaths. And they show no sign of stopping.

Mao used to crow about China's being able to afford to lose half its population in a war.

Xi repeated that sentiment at the CCP's 100 years of hell birthday when he referred to 1.4 billion people throwing themselves at an invader.

The CCP has always seen the Chinese people as cannon fodder.

No country wants to invade China; the country is an internal ticking timebomb.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

And they show no sign of stopping.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:23pm:

No country wants to invade China; the country is an internal ticking timebomb.

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freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

You keep accusing me about not caring about the 50 million people the CCP starved to death with their incompetent efforts at food distribution, or the millions of people around the world that the CCP killed with their incompetent management of the covid outbreak. But it looks to me like it is you and the CCP who do not care. If the CCP cared about the millions of people they kill, they would put as much effort into running the country competently as they do into lying to stay in power. And if you cared about them you would stop making such feeble excuses for the CCP. And you would stop getting hysterical about whether I really care, then in the next post making 50 million corpses out to be some kind of joke. The CCP's incompetence is dangerous to the tune of tens of millions of deaths. And they show no sign of stopping.

You get commission on this stuff?

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random wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:

You get commission on this stuff? []https://i.gifer.com/Q7L.gif[]

The CCP made a fortune on its fake vaccines; sad about the enforced lockdowns for 600 million Chinese people and the faker reopenings that lock down again within a day.

Anyway, how many years have you got to serve inside? Did you dodge an encounter with an empty baiju bottle today?

random wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 9:13pm: You keep accusing me about not caring about the 50 million people the CCP starved to death with their incompetent efforts at food distribution, or the millions of people around the world that the CCP killed with their incompetent management of the covid outbreak. But it looks to me like it is you and the CCP who do not care. If the CCP cared about the millions of people they kill, they would put as much effort into running the country competently as they do into lying to stay in power. And if you cared about them you would stop making such feeble excuses for the CCP. And you would stop getting hysterical about whether I really care, then in the next post making 50 million corpses out to be some kind of joke. The CCP's incompetence is dangerous to the tune of tens of millions of deaths. And they show no sign of stopping. You get commission on this stuff? https://i.gifer.com/Q7L.gif

What other word is there to describe the CCP?

I know. Liars. They are incompetent at running a country, to the tune of tens of millions of deaths, and counting. But they are experts at lying and BSing their way out of it.

Incompetent liars.

Feel free to highlight it.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 10:28pm:

[quote author=random link=1633234581/125#125 date=1654687930][quote author=freediver link=1633234581/121#121 date=1654686818] What other word is there to describe the CCP? I know. Liars. They are incompetent at running a country, to the tune of tens of millions of deaths, and counting. But they are experts at lying and BSing their way out of it. Incompetent liars. Feel free to highlight it.

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:

random wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 9:32pm: Did you dodge an encounter with an empty baiju bottle today?

I guess not.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:

random wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 9:32pm: You get commission on this stuff? []https://i.gifer.com/Q7L.gif[] The CCP made a fortune on its fake vaccines; sad about the enforced lockdowns for 600 million Chinese people

Awwwwww the American Shill is weelly weelly sorry for the poor Chinese people!

And they made their own vaccine instead of buying it from the Big Pharma!  That's worse the kunts!

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random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:03pm: random wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 9:32pm: You get commission on this stuff? []https://i.gifer.com/Q7L.gif[] The CCP made a fortune on its fake vaccines; sad about the enforced lockdowns for 600 million Chinese people Awwwwww the American Shill is weelly weelly sorry for the poor Chinese people! And they made their own vaccine instead of buying it from the Big Pharma!  That's worse the kunts! []https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/fTZd3ucX3zzMUuu68oYz7-_ixyw=/fit-in/1600x0/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/34/d0/34d02897-7dde-4ed6-9a51-f4fe4733b522/crying_baby.jpg[]

We're still trying to work out why the CCP pretended to make a vaccine then used it on less than 1/3 of the people, dispensed mostly by workers who had no background as medics or clinicians.

Now, to save face, the CCP has forced the Chinese people into nationwide lockdowns.

Competence much?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

[quote author=random link=1633234581/130#130 date=1654726376][quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1633234581/126#126 date=1654689785][quote author=random link=1633234581/125#125 date=1654687930] Competence much?

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random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:19am: [quote author=random link=1633234581/130#130 date=1654726376][quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1633234581/126#126 date=1654689785][quote author=random link=1633234581/125#125 date=1654687930] Competence much? Campaign COMPETENCE Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! [/img]http://imageshack.com/a/img834/3585/awt6.gif[/img]

Two things you're getting wrong as a CCP prostitute posting to an Australian forum: your overuse of the Australian vernacular and your blindness to your ignorance of what you mean by left and right.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

random wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:30am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:19am: [quote author=random link=1633234581/130#130 date=1654726376][quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1633234581/126#126 date=1654689785][quote author=random link=1633234581/125#125 date=1654687930] Competence much? Campaign COMPETENCE Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! [/img]http://imageshack.com/a/img834/3585/awt6.gif[/img] Two things you're getting wrong as a CCP prostitute posting to an Australian forum: your overuse of the Australian vernacular and your blindness to your ignorance of what you mean by left and right.

Hahahahaaaaaa, says American Flag-sucker liar for $'s

Me?  I ...

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random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:42am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:37am: random wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:30am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:19am: [quote author=random link=1633234581/130#130 date=1654726376][quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1633234581/126#126 date=1654689785][quote author=random link=1633234581/125#125 date=1654687930] Competence much? Campaign COMPETENCE Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! [/img]http://imageshack.com/a/img834/3585/awt6.gif[/img] Two things you're getting wrong as a CCP prostitute posting to an Australian forum: your overuse of the Australian vernacular and your blindness to your ignorance of what you mean by left and right. Hahahahaaaaaa, says American Flag-sucker liar for $'s Me?  I ... []https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DeterminedBoldGuernseycow-size_restricted.gif[]

Is that you, or your husband?

And 'American Flag-sucker liar'?? Is that the result from a Mandarin-to-English translator app?

Campaign INCOMPETENCE!

Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate!

Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies!

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random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:59am:

Campaign INCOMPETENCE! Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies! []https://i.gifer.com/C7S.gif[]

Is that you in drag, or your husband?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:01am:

random wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:59am: Campaign INCOMPETENCE! Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies! []https://i.gifer.com/C7S.gif[] Is that you in drag, or your husband?

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random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:32am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 9:01am: random wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:59am: Campaign INCOMPETENCE! Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies! []https://i.gifer.com/C7S.gif[] Is that you in drag, or your husband? []https://media0.giphy.com/media/b79qeRsNEO4j6/200.gif[]

A gay, CCP prostitute posting from a Chinese prison for privileges!

random wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 8:59am:

Campaign INCOMPETENCE! Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies! https://i.gifer.com/C7S.gif

Why are you getting your panties in a bunch over this?

Why do you have to be right wing, or hate Chinese, to criticise the CCP for killing millions of people with their lies and incompetence? Can you really think of no other reason?

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:06am: FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 2:48pm: The extreme left want everyone to have food.  Yet they instinctively defend the CCP for starving 50 million Chinese people to death by trying, incompetently, to distribute food equally. There is obviously something they consider to be more important than having food to eat. This is simply a lie.  It's intersting that China is now the only superpower and you want to keep criticising them for the 1950s

Which part do you think is a lie?

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Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 11:19am:

Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP?

No, the faulty  policy enacted 6 decades ago, when China was home to the largest and poorest population on the planet, has no relevance to today when China has the largest  middle-income-status population in the world.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 11:19am: Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP? No, the faulty  policy enacted 6 decades ago, when China was home to the largest and poorest population on the planet, has no relevance to today when China has the largest  middle-income-status population in the world.

The CCP's tendency to kill millions of people with it's lies and incompetence is still relevant, because they are still doing it.

The Chinese people were not starving to death by the millions until the CCP decided to make it their job to feed them all equally.

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 2:42pm:

The CCP's tendency to kill millions of people with it's lies and incompetence is still relevant, because they are still doing it.

Obvious nonsense, the CCP are saving lives with their strict covid policy, its the US who has cost  a million lives (notwithstanding your "China stats don't count" theory). 


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The Chinese people were not starving to death by the millions until the CCP decided to make it their job to feed them all equally.

It is of course the job of any competent government to ensure equal access to good food, but feeding the largest poorest population on the planet (in 1960)  presented particular difficulties.

Now of course  China's life expectancy has exceeded the US..partly due to pandemic control measures...and food security is guaranteed, unlike in many "free" economies.

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Obvious nonsense, the CCP are saving lives with their strict covid policy

From one incompetent extreme to the other.

If the current strict policy is saving lives, how many lives did the policy of denial, lies and jailing journalists during the crucial period of the initial outbreak cost?


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It is of course the job of any competent government to ensure equal access to good food, but feeding the largest poorest population on the planet (in 1960)  presented particular difficulties.

The Chinese people were doing fine until the CCP came along and made the job seem difficult. It's funny how people have been feeding themselves for millennia without a government to do it for them.

Are you suggesting the CCP was incompetent in letting 50 million of it's citizens starve to death as the result of lying to itself?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

random wrote on Jun 9th, 2022 at 8:59am: Campaign INCOMPETENCE! Come one come all and watch the faarkin shills for the looney right carry on with fake outrage and fake concern for people they farkin hate! Let's count the number of times these posters use the word, it's fun for all including the kiddies! https://i.gifer.com/C7S.gif Why are you getting your panties in a bunch over this? Why do you have to be right wing, or hate Chinese, to criticise the CCP for killing millions of people with their lies and incompetence? Can you really think of no other reason?

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 11:19am: Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP? No, the faulty  policy enacted 6 decades ago, when China was home to the largest and poorest population on the planet, has no relevance to today when China has the largest  middle-income-status population in the world. The CCP's tendency to kill millions of people with it's lies and incompetence is still relevant, because they are still doing it. The Chinese people were not starving to death by the millions until the CCP decided to make it their job to feed them all equally.

random wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 2:42pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 12th, 2022 at 11:19am: Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP? No, the faulty  policy enacted 6 decades ago, when China was home to the largest and poorest population on the planet, has no relevance to today when China has the largest  middle-income-status population in the world. The CCP's tendency to kill millions of people with it's lies and incompetence is still relevant, because they are still doing it. The Chinese people were not starving to death by the millions until the CCP decided to make it their job to feed them all equally.