Ive almost never eaten breakfast, preferring to exercise on an empty stomach , but intermittent fasting is a game changer for me. Been doing this for a few months now, off and on combined with a maybe 75 percent keto diet, I have to say the benefits are not over rated. 36 hours seems to be the sweet spot for all round health benefits. Visceral fat is what we need to lose, calorie restriction and exercise by themselves wont burn visceral fat.
https://lifeapps.io/fasting/the-5-stages-of-intermittent-fasting/

I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits.

I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days.

Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee.
Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth
Normal dinner.

Gordon wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 12:25pm:

I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner.

Yep, 16:8 has benefits, 5:2 is easier to follow generally and laso shows benefits

Gordon wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 12:25pm:

I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner.

I think you would get the benefits of calorie restriction on that diet but thats about all. the way I iunderstand it we need to abstain from food completely to get things like autophagy or the big increase in HGH. Granted that exercise in itself increase both those things but not on the level that fasting does and you really need 18 hours of fasting to get those increased  benefits.

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:25pm: I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner. Yep, 16:8 has benefits, 5:2 is easier to follow generally and laso shows benefits

16.8 has much better benefits than 5.2, 5.2 is just calorie restriction really. Im doing one meal a day most days, the difference between one and 2 meals a day is enormous. I intend to try a 72 hour soon, allegedly the benefits include a large increase in BDNF.

rhino wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 3:33pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:43pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:25pm: I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner. Yep, 16:8 has benefits, 5:2 is easier to follow generally and laso shows benefits 16.8 has much better benefits than 5.2, 5.2 is just calorie restriction really. Im doing one meal a day most days, the difference between one and 2 meals a day is enormous. I intend to try a 72 hour soon, allegedly the benefits include a large increase in BDNF.

BDNF eh

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 3:34pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 3:33pm: John Dillermand wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:43pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:25pm: I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner. Yep, 16:8 has benefits, 5:2 is easier to follow generally and laso shows benefits 16.8 has much better benefits than 5.2, 5.2 is just calorie restriction really. Im doing one meal a day most days, the difference between one and 2 meals a day is enormous. I intend to try a 72 hour soon, allegedly the benefits include a large increase in BDNF. BDNF eh

Sounds right, if our predecessors crumbled if they went hungry we wouldnt be here.

Booby prefers...nevermind.

rhino wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

Ive almost never eaten breakfast, preferring to exercise on an empty stomach , but intermittent fasting is a game changer for me. Been doing this for a few months now, off and on combined with a maybe 75 percent keto diet, I have to say the benefits are not over rated. 36 hours seems to be the sweet spot for all round health benefits. Visceral fat is what we need to lose, calorie restriction and exercise by themselves wont burn visceral fat. https://lifeapps.io/fasting/the-5-stages-of-intermittent-fasting/

Wow - 36 hours is a good fast. Been a long time since I fasted.
They are REALLY good. Amazing how much energy you get during a fast.

I don't have breakfast till about 10.30 am.
That works well for my schedule

I had fasted for about 50 hours one time about 10 years ago. I was living with others at the time. All I did was drink water for the two days. When people had noticed that I had not eaten, they took it upon themselves to fix me a ham and salad sandwich. I decided to break the long-standing fast and resume eating normally. It took me over a week before I was back to normal. My metabolism went into starvation mode and slowed down. It meant that I had to eat light meals until I was able to eat difficult to digest meals.

Whilst I have no issue with people doing fasting for up to 24 hours, if you go beyond that, you are going to do your body some damage. That is, if you are not laying in bed for most of those 24 hours, you can do some damage to your body.

You could probably skip breakfast. But you should have lunch and a normal dinner.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 8:30pm:

They are REALLY good. Amazing how much energy you get during a fast

That's why prisoners had the strength to build bridges for the Japanese

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2021 at 12:57am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 8:30pm: They are REALLY good. Amazing how much energy you get during a fast That's why prisoners had the strength to build bridges for the Japanese

No. It was either work as a slave, or die.

So myself, and 2 others I know have done this for around a few months 1mad or 2mad combined with the keto diet.  No one reports any loss of energy or slower metabolism, everyone says they lost fat and not muscle.  My female friend reports loss of fat around the midsection, very impressed with results, no loss of her booty apparently,  which I agree. I have gone down a couple of percent body fat I reckon. No loss of energy, no loss of motivation, improved concentration. You need to combine this method with a keto diet because the body will produce ketones which are much more beneficial for the body to run on than carbohydrates or (glucose).

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 11^th, 2021 at 12:13am:

I had fasted for about 50 hours one time about 10 years ago. I was living with others at the time. All I did was drink water for the two days. When people had noticed that I had not eaten, they took it upon themselves to fix me a ham and salad sandwich. I decided to break the long-standing fast and resume eating normally. It took me over a week before I was back to normal. My metabolism went into starvation mode and slowed down. It meant that I had to eat light meals until I was able to eat difficult to digest meals. Whilst I have no issue with people doing fasting for up to 24 hours, if you go beyond that, you are going to do your body some damage. That is, if you are not laying in bed for most of those 24 hours, you can do some damage to your body. You could probably skip breakfast. But you should have lunch and a normal dinner.

Just F off idiot.

rhino wrote on Sep 18^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

I have gone down a couple of percent body fat I reckon. No loss of energy, no loss of motivation, improved concentration. You need to combine this method with a keto diet because the body will produce ketones which are much more beneficial for the body to run on than carbohydrates or (glucose).

There are a lot of fads out there weight loss is a huge industry i should note the Australian Institute of Sport doesn't follow any of these fad diets.

Skinfold calipers are cheap  give an accurate way of measuring bodyfat you can do it with 4 main sites subscapular suprailiac ( about an inch above hip on side) bicep and tricep. Add up the total look at the chart in some cases age correct it.

If you look at food Carbs break down into glucose which give energy protein breaks down into amino acids which help body rebuild and repair and fat breaks down into fat which is stored energy on your body.

If you eat more calories than you burn up it will be stored on your body as fat regardless of which group (carbs, protein,fat) they came from.

How much protein you need to eat every day varies if you have a sedentry lifestyle 1 gram of protein per kilogram of your weight is enough ie 90 kg person 90 grams. If you workout fairly hard i would double it. With 100 grams of chicken you get 27 grams of protein, 100 grams of steak gives about 25 grams of protein. 1 egg has about 6 grams of protein.Choose the leaner types like chicken breast over thighs eye fillet over chops and there is a study showing shellfish are a superfood.
If you get sore after workouts you need more protein. Your body cannot efficiently process large amounts of protein in one meal so spread it out through the day.

Carbs break down into glucose which give you energy. By Carbs i mean fruit vegetables pasta rice bread etc with the exception of olives avocado and nuts which are fats. There are SFA calories in tomatos strawberries and watery fruits and veg so not really limited with eating them. If you lack energy you need more carbs. How these carbs are cooked makes a huge difference don't cook in oil and don't add fats like butter etc to them.When you do high intensity stuff for shorter duration like a couple of minutes your body runs on anaerobic energy system which uses glucose for energy.

Fat goes on as fat so avoid all fats i put sugary things like chocolate and sweets and twisties cheezels etc into fat category. Olives avocado and nuts are really the only fats you should eat. When you get your heart rate up and maintain it for minimum 15 minutes your body starts running on aerobic energy system which uses bodyfat.

Those like Usain Bolt who do 100m sprints then rest run on Creatine Phosphate energy system which is only good for about 20 seconds they need glucose for that. Since it only takes Bolt 10 seconds to run 100M he would be good to go again after 30 second rest, if you take 15 seconds you would be good to go again after 45 second rest. If you want to do sprint training then rest for 3 times what it took to run 100m then go again.

If weight loss (reducing bodyfat) is your goal eat no more protein than you need cuts carbs down until energy levels start to drop and cuts out all fats including avocado olives/oil along with all junk food. Look for around 1500 calories a day.

Chris Hemsworth doesn't do any of these fads he eats around 6 times a day to build his body which is what most huge bodybuilders do they have bodyfat levels around 6%.

As for keto it's just another fad- https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet

Gordon wrote on Aug 30^th, 2021 at 12:25pm:

I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner.

Very interesting.

I've always just basically stuck to this routine :

1. 7 am - 1 cup of coffee (with 1 teaspoon of raw sugar plus some soy milk) for breakfast.

2. 11 am - another coffee as per above.

3. 1 pm - lunch. Generally a salad and tuna sandwich or a bowl of soup with 2 pieces of toast with low salt margarine.

4. 6 pm - dinner. Always something yummy and home cooked. 1 plate that's all. A slice of bread (maybe).

* I usually have Turkish bread or Lebanese bread. I love the taste and I've always had that sort of bread growing up.

* I'm not into sweets. I'm definitely a savoury person so cakes and biscuits etc are not my thing.

* IF I snack during the day it will be mid afternoon and will be an apple or a banana.

I probably should exercise more but I know I do a lot of gardening and cleaning and running around anyway (so I figure at least I'm not sitting down all day in some office).

How am I travelling? I have no idea nowadays. I guess I'm too busy worrying about those around me. 😩🥺

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 11^th, 2021 at 1:02am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 11th, 2021 at 12:57am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 8:30pm: They are REALLY good. Amazing how much energy you get during a fast That's why prisoners had the strength to build bridges for the Japanese No. It was either work as a slave, or die.

Good incentive

Lisa, use butter not margarine. I know it is a pain in the butt to have to wait 30 minutes for the butter to be soft enough to spread. But butter is better for you.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 18^th, 2021 at 11:13pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 18th, 2021 at 9:48pm: I have gone down a couple of percent body fat I reckon. No loss of energy, no loss of motivation, improved concentration. You need to combine this method with a keto diet because the body will produce ketones which are much more beneficial for the body to run on than carbohydrates or (glucose). There are a lot of fads out there weight loss is a huge industry i should note the Australian Institute of Sport doesn't follow any of these fad diets. Skinfold calipers are cheap  give an accurate way of measuring bodyfat you can do it with 4 main sites subscapular suprailiac ( about an inch above hip on side) bicep and tricep. Add up the total look at the chart in some cases age correct it. If you look at food Carbs break down into glucose which give energy protein breaks down into amino acids which help body rebuild and repair and fat breaks down into fat which is stored energy on your body. If you eat more calories than you burn up it will be stored on your body as fat regardless of which group (carbs, protein,fat) they came from. How much protein you need to eat every day varies if you have a sedentry lifestyle 1 gram of protein per kilogram of your weight is enough ie 90 kg person 90 grams. If you workout fairly hard i would double it. With 100 grams of chicken you get 27 grams of protein, 100 grams of steak gives about 25 grams of protein. 1 egg has about 6 grams of protein.Choose the leaner types like chicken breast over thighs eye fillet over chops and there is a study showing shellfish are a superfood. If you get sore after workouts you need more protein. Your body cannot efficiently process large amounts of protein in one meal so spread it out through the day. Carbs break down into glucose which give you energy. By Carbs i mean fruit vegetables pasta rice bread etc with the exception of olives avocado and nuts which are fats. There are SFA calories in tomatos strawberries and watery fruits and veg so not really limited with eating them. If you lack energy you need more carbs. How these carbs are cooked makes a huge difference don't cook in oil and don't add fats like butter etc to them.When you do high intensity stuff for shorter duration like a couple of minutes your body runs on anaerobic energy system which uses glucose for energy. Fat goes on as fat so avoid all fats i put sugary things like chocolate and sweets and twisties cheezels etc into fat category. Olives avocado and nuts are really the only fats you should eat. When you get your heart rate up and maintain it for minimum 15 minutes your body starts running on aerobic energy system which uses bodyfat. Those like Usain Bolt who do 100m sprints then rest run on Creatine Phosphate energy system which is only good for about 20 seconds they need glucose for that. Since it only takes Bolt 10 seconds to run 100M he would be good to go again after 30 second rest, if you take 15 seconds you would be good to go again after 45 second rest. If you want to do sprint training then rest for 3 times what it took to run 100m then go again. If weight loss (reducing bodyfat) is your goal eat no more protein than you need cuts carbs down until energy levels start to drop and cuts out all fats including avocado olives/oil along with all junk food. Look for around 1500 calories a day. Chris Hemsworth doesn't do any of these fads he eats around 6 times a day to build his body which is what most huge bodybuilders do they have bodyfat levels around 6%. As for keto it's just another fad- https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet

No mate, complete bullsh1t. You shouldnt post if you dont know anything, all that sh1t is made up. Stop clogging my thread with absolute nonsense.

Some of you idiots need to take a look at yourself,  instead of reading an intelligent thread full of knowledge you can take to the bank you instead choose to use it as a way to somehow "score points" by making up your own supposed knowledge on subjects and posting absolute bulldust. WTF you retards get out of that I do not know.  The CSIRO total wellbeing diet is an example of a Keto diet you fool, its not a "fad".

rhino wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 8:35pm:

The CSIRO total wellbeing diet is an example of a Keto diet you fool, its not a "fad".

The CSIRO diet is not a Keto diet they're 2 separate things with nothing in common. As my Harvard medical school link shows the keto diet is not healthy. Fit and healthy are 2 separate terms you can be fit and unhealthy. The Keto diet is an unhealthy fad.

This Keto calculator says i should consume 30g carbs 138g protein and a whopping 232 g of fat per day. The CSIRO diet will be majority carbs then protein with minimum fat which is nothing like a keto diet.

https://www.ketocustomplan.com/quiz/main?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqKuKBhCxARIsACf4XuHmsJNczkEt4k9qxUySM3rZFw4jfHd8fFGKr4wurEw1NzdBXBUv350aAi7xEALw_wcB

rhino wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 8:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 18th, 2021 at 11:13pm: rhino wrote on Sep 18th, 2021 at 9:48pm: I have gone down a couple of percent body fat I reckon. No loss of energy, no loss of motivation, improved concentration. You need to combine this method with a keto diet because the body will produce ketones which are much more beneficial for the body to run on than carbohydrates or (glucose). There are a lot of fads out there weight loss is a huge industry i should note the Australian Institute of Sport doesn't follow any of these fad diets. Skinfold calipers are cheap  give an accurate way of measuring bodyfat you can do it with 4 main sites subscapular suprailiac ( about an inch above hip on side) bicep and tricep. Add up the total look at the chart in some cases age correct it. If you look at food Carbs break down into glucose which give energy protein breaks down into amino acids which help body rebuild and repair and fat breaks down into fat which is stored energy on your body. If you eat more calories than you burn up it will be stored on your body as fat regardless of which group (carbs, protein,fat) they came from. How much protein you need to eat every day varies if you have a sedentry lifestyle 1 gram of protein per kilogram of your weight is enough ie 90 kg person 90 grams. If you workout fairly hard i would double it. With 100 grams of chicken you get 27 grams of protein, 100 grams of steak gives about 25 grams of protein. 1 egg has about 6 grams of protein.Choose the leaner types like chicken breast over thighs eye fillet over chops and there is a study showing shellfish are a superfood. If you get sore after workouts you need more protein. Your body cannot efficiently process large amounts of protein in one meal so spread it out through the day. Carbs break down into glucose which give you energy. By Carbs i mean fruit vegetables pasta rice bread etc with the exception of olives avocado and nuts which are fats. There are SFA calories in tomatos strawberries and watery fruits and veg so not really limited with eating them. If you lack energy you need more carbs. How these carbs are cooked makes a huge difference don't cook in oil and don't add fats like butter etc to them.When you do high intensity stuff for shorter duration like a couple of minutes your body runs on anaerobic energy system which uses glucose for energy. Fat goes on as fat so avoid all fats i put sugary things like chocolate and sweets and twisties cheezels etc into fat category. Olives avocado and nuts are really the only fats you should eat. When you get your heart rate up and maintain it for minimum 15 minutes your body starts running on aerobic energy system which uses bodyfat. Those like Usain Bolt who do 100m sprints then rest run on Creatine Phosphate energy system which is only good for about 20 seconds they need glucose for that. Since it only takes Bolt 10 seconds to run 100M he would be good to go again after 30 second rest, if you take 15 seconds you would be good to go again after 45 second rest. If you want to do sprint training then rest for 3 times what it took to run 100m then go again. If weight loss (reducing bodyfat) is your goal eat no more protein than you need cuts carbs down until energy levels start to drop and cuts out all fats including avocado olives/oil along with all junk food. Look for around 1500 calories a day. Chris Hemsworth doesn't do any of these fads he eats around 6 times a day to build his body which is what most huge bodybuilders do they have bodyfat levels around 6%. As for keto it's just another fad- https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet No mate, complete bullsh1t. You shouldnt post if you dont know anything, all that sh1t is made up. Stop clogging my thread with absolute nonsense.

I studied sport science nutrition was a big part of that. I have trained 3 world champions so no bullshit in my post.

Try the sprint training if it takes you 12 seconds to run 100m rest for 36 seconds your heart rate will have come down then run it again. Try that before you call bullshit then apologise for being wrong.

Chris Hemsworth didn't fast to build muscle and reduce bodyfat he eats 6-8 times a day just like the Rock Dwayne Johnson if anyone is posting bullshit here it's you.

The weight loss industry is worth billions lots of bullshit fads fleecing people without giving long term healthy gains.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 10:13pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 22nd, 2021 at 8:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 18th, 2021 at 11:13pm: rhino wrote on Sep 18th, 2021 at 9:48pm: I have gone down a couple of percent body fat I reckon. No loss of energy, no loss of motivation, improved concentration. You need to combine this method with a keto diet because the body will produce ketones which are much more beneficial for the body to run on than carbohydrates or (glucose). There are a lot of fads out there weight loss is a huge industry i should note the Australian Institute of Sport doesn't follow any of these fad diets. Skinfold calipers are cheap  give an accurate way of measuring bodyfat you can do it with 4 main sites subscapular suprailiac ( about an inch above hip on side) bicep and tricep. Add up the total look at the chart in some cases age correct it. If you look at food Carbs break down into glucose which give energy protein breaks down into amino acids which help body rebuild and repair and fat breaks down into fat which is stored energy on your body. If you eat more calories than you burn up it will be stored on your body as fat regardless of which group (carbs, protein,fat) they came from. How much protein you need to eat every day varies if you have a sedentry lifestyle 1 gram of protein per kilogram of your weight is enough ie 90 kg person 90 grams. If you workout fairly hard i would double it. With 100 grams of chicken you get 27 grams of protein, 100 grams of steak gives about 25 grams of protein. 1 egg has about 6 grams of protein.Choose the leaner types like chicken breast over thighs eye fillet over chops and there is a study showing shellfish are a superfood. If you get sore after workouts you need more protein. Your body cannot efficiently process large amounts of protein in one meal so spread it out through the day. Carbs break down into glucose which give you energy. By Carbs i mean fruit vegetables pasta rice bread etc with the exception of olives avocado and nuts which are fats. There are SFA calories in tomatos strawberries and watery fruits and veg so not really limited with eating them. If you lack energy you need more carbs. How these carbs are cooked makes a huge difference don't cook in oil and don't add fats like butter etc to them.When you do high intensity stuff for shorter duration like a couple of minutes your body runs on anaerobic energy system which uses glucose for energy. Fat goes on as fat so avoid all fats i put sugary things like chocolate and sweets and twisties cheezels etc into fat category. Olives avocado and nuts are really the only fats you should eat. When you get your heart rate up and maintain it for minimum 15 minutes your body starts running on aerobic energy system which uses bodyfat. Those like Usain Bolt who do 100m sprints then rest run on Creatine Phosphate energy system which is only good for about 20 seconds they need glucose for that. Since it only takes Bolt 10 seconds to run 100M he would be good to go again after 30 second rest, if you take 15 seconds you would be good to go again after 45 second rest. If you want to do sprint training then rest for 3 times what it took to run 100m then go again. If weight loss (reducing bodyfat) is your goal eat no more protein than you need cuts carbs down until energy levels start to drop and cuts out all fats including avocado olives/oil along with all junk food. Look for around 1500 calories a day. Chris Hemsworth doesn't do any of these fads he eats around 6 times a day to build his body which is what most huge bodybuilders do they have bodyfat levels around 6%. As for keto it's just another fad- https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet No mate, complete bullsh1t. You shouldnt post if you dont know anything, all that sh1t is made up. Stop clogging my thread with absolute nonsense. I studied sport science nutrition was a big part of that. I have trained 3 world champions so no bullshit in my post. Try the sprint training if it takes you 12 seconds to run 100m rest for 36 seconds your heart rate will have come down then run it again. Try that before you call bullshit then apologise for being wrong. Chris Hemsworth didn't fast to build muscle and reduce bodyfat he eats 6-8 times a day just like the Rock Dwayne Johnson if anyone is posting bullshit here it's you.

You dont know the basics, fat doesnt get stored more easily as fat on the body, the body burns fat more easily and makes into a combination of glucose and ketones. Muscle isnt burned or wasted when you dont eat, the body preserves muscle by burning visceral fat, thats why the body stores it. You think our ancestors bodies started cannibalising vital muscle and organs when they didnt eat? We wouldnt be here if that was so. Your post is completely full of misconceptions and ignorance on the subject of nutrition. Sports nutrritionist my arse. Dwayne johnson is a steroid user you twat, and so what, Hemsworth eats 6 times a day. 


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The weight loss industry is worth billions lots of bullshit fads fleecing people without giving long term healthy gains.

yeh I know, like the completely unsustainable and unhealthy bullsh1t 6 times a day diet with steroids. Take your ignorant cr@p somewhere else dummy.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 10:05pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 22nd, 2021 at 8:35pm:   The CSIRO total wellbeing diet is an example of a Keto diet you fool, its not a "fad". The CSIRO diet is not a Keto diet they're 2 separate things with nothing in common.

Nothing in common? Are you stupid? They are both low carb you fool, thats the basis of both.  You claim to be educated on this subject? Thats what a keto diet is your moron, low carb.

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As my Harvard medical school link shows the keto diet is not healthy. Fit and healthy are 2 separate terms you can be fit and unhealthy. The Keto diet is an unhealthy fad.

No, your link doesnt show that at all. What your link says  is " We dont know if the diet works because we havent tested it" . I am a lifelong athlete, I have been on the Keto diet for some time and I have never felt fitter or healthier. You will not find one person who has been on the diet who is not healthier, not one.



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This Keto calculator says i should consume 30g carbs 138g protein and a whopping 232 g of fat per day. The CSIRO diet will be majority carbs then protein with minimum fat which is nothing like a keto diet.

Phuk you are an idiot, the CSIRO diet carbs at no more than 50 grams a day, low carb. Try actually reading what you are linking to. Any more ignorance you want to display and get PWNED on again?

Just phuk off out of this thread you dkheds that know nothing.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

Lisa, use butter not margarine. I know it is a pain in the butt to have to wait 30 minutes for the butter to be soft enough to spread. But butter is better for you.

I much prefer the taste of butter.

But I've never heard that butter is better than margarine before.

rhino wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 12:21am:

Just phuk off out of this thread you dkheds that know nothing.

Calm down. Take a chill pill. It's not your forum. And everyone is only posting what they know or think they know.

I can't believe it's not butter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMxrtztkb_g

That's a corker 😂🤣😆

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 2:44am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:25pm: I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner. Very interesting. I've always just basically stuck to this routine : 1. 7 am - 1 cup of coffee (with 1 teaspoon of raw sugar plus some soy milk) for breakfast. 2. 11 am - another coffee as per above. 3. 1 pm - lunch. Generally a salad and tuna sandwich or a bowl of soup with 2 pieces of toast with low salt margarine. 4. 6 pm - dinner. Always something yummy and home cooked. 1 plate that's all. A slice of bread (maybe). * I usually have Turkish bread or Lebanese bread. I love the taste and I've always had that sort of bread growing up. * I'm not into sweets. I'm definitely a savoury person so cakes and biscuits etc are not my thing. * IF I snack during the day it will be mid afternoon and will be an apple or a banana. I probably should exercise more but I know I do a lot of gardening and cleaning and running around anyway (so I figure at least I'm not sitting down all day in some office). How am I travelling? I have no idea nowadays. I guess I'm too busy worrying about those around me. 😩🥺

Oh....so how do you do the alleged work you say you do for your alleged 'Hubby?'  Do you have to run.....is that the 'job?'

Aussie wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 19th, 2021 at 2:44am: Gordon wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 12:25pm: I've also heard you can dial it right back and still get a lot of the benefits. I think the minimum is a very light breakfast, no lunch then dinner, which I've been doing on non-weights days. Breakfast is about 1/2 cup of oats as porridge, black coffee. Middle of the day, a cup of vege broth Normal dinner. Very interesting. I've always just basically stuck to this routine : 1. 7 am - 1 cup of coffee (with 1 teaspoon of raw sugar plus some soy milk) for breakfast. 2. 11 am - another coffee as per above. 3. 1 pm - lunch. Generally a salad and tuna sandwich or a bowl of soup with 2 pieces of toast with low salt margarine. 4. 6 pm - dinner. Always something yummy and home cooked. 1 plate that's all. A slice of bread (maybe). * I usually have Turkish bread or Lebanese bread. I love the taste and I've always had that sort of bread growing up. * I'm not into sweets. I'm definitely a savoury person so cakes and biscuits etc are not my thing. * IF I snack during the day it will be mid afternoon and will be an apple or a banana. I probably should exercise more but I know I do a lot of gardening and cleaning and running around anyway (so I figure at least I'm not sitting down all day in some office). How am I travelling? I have no idea nowadays. I guess I'm too busy worrying about those around me. 😩🥺 Oh....so how do you do the alleged work you say you do for your alleged 'Hubby?'  Do you have to run.....is that the 'job?'

1. Nothing alleged about my role.

2. iPhones are awesome - you should get 1. They've been around for long enough. Everyone uses them for work etc now. Except for you. But then again you don't work. In fact you don't do anything at all. Which is why you're the obsessive obese obstruction of every forum you're in.

Bye bye.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:06pm:

I can't believe it's not butter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMxrtztkb_g

The fluffy chicken in that advert is hilarious 😂

(My hubby has always called me "the chook". Why? Think of the expression "the sky is falling" for a clue)

Oh. You're right. I DO talk a lot about my husband.  🥺

I wonder why???

I guess I'm worried about him.

He's on my mind all the time because I'm worried. I hope he comes home with a negative Covid19 test result this afternoon.

I'm not jabbed. And I can't have any jab that's on the market atm either. So I guess I'm worried about myself too. Hmmmmm.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19th, 2021 at 5:41pm: Lisa, use butter not margarine. I know it is a pain in the butt to have to wait 30 minutes for the butter to be soft enough to spread. But butter is better for you. I much prefer the taste of butter. But I've never heard that butter is better than margarine before.

Butter is healthier than margarine. Margarine is more like oil than a spread.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 19th, 2021 at 5:41pm: Lisa, use butter not margarine. I know it is a pain in the butt to have to wait 30 minutes for the butter to be soft enough to spread. But butter is better for you. I much prefer the taste of butter. But I've never heard that butter is better than margarine before.

You've gotta be kidding   :-/

Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine.

3 years...

It might be the food that feeds the cockroaches in the aftermath of Armageddon.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine.

It isn't yellow.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:52pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:41pm: Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine. It isn't yellow.

Keep that from Coldplay.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:52pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:41pm: Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine. It isn't yellow. Keep that from Coldplay.

I can't believe it's not soulless white man music.

https://www.foodbev.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Butter.jpg

I use this, the salt reduced one.


https://img.offers-cdn.net/assets/uploads/offers/au/1739666/mainland-buttersoft-salted-or-salt-reduced-spreadable-butter-375g-large.jpeg

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:52pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:41pm: Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine. It isn't yellow. Keep that from Coldplay. I can't believe it's not soulless white man music.

Tony Martin and Mick Molloy used to take the royal piss out of this ad, back in the day.

rhino wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 12:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 22nd, 2021 at 10:05pm: rhino wrote on Sep 22nd, 2021 at 8:35pm:   The CSIRO total wellbeing diet is an example of a Keto diet you fool, its not a "fad". The CSIRO diet is not a Keto diet they're 2 separate things with nothing in common. Nothing in common? Are you stupid? They are both low carb you fool, thats the basis of both.  You claim to be educated on this subject? Thats what a keto diet is your moron, low carb. Quote: As my Harvard medical school link shows the keto diet is not healthy. Fit and healthy are 2 separate terms you can be fit and unhealthy. The Keto diet is an unhealthy fad. No, your link doesnt show that at all. What your link says  is " We dont know if the diet works because we havent tested it" . I am a lifelong athlete, I have been on the Keto diet for some time and I have never felt fitter or healthier. You will not find one person who has been on the diet who is not healthier, not one. [quote]This Keto calculator says i should consume 30g carbs 138g protein and a whopping 232 g of fat per day. The CSIRO diet will be majority carbs then protein with minimum fat which is nothing like a keto diet.

Phuk you are an idiot, the CSIRO diet carbs at no more than 50 grams a day, low carb. Try actually reading what you are linking to. Any more ignorance you want to display and get PWNED on again?

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The CSIRO total wellbeing diet and their low carb diet are 2 separate diets why are you trying to pass off the total wellbeing diet as something it isn't? their low carb diet was tested on obese diabetics. Diabetics have special needs they will be asked if they're diabetic when assessed for diet plan.

The Keto diet suggests 20-50g of carbs a day the CSIRO low carb diet says 50-70g a day did you even read the link you posted in the other thread? The minimum for the csiro is actually the maximum for keto diet with carbs.

The harvard link does say keto is unhealthy did you read this or does the highlighted part apply to you?

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Keto diet risks A ketogenic diet has numerous risks. Top of the list: it's high in saturated fat. McManus recommends that you keep saturated fats to no more than 7% of your daily calories because of the link to heart disease. And indeed, the keto diet is associated with an increase in "bad" LDL cholesterol, which is also linked to heart disease. Other potential keto risks include these: Nutrient deficiency. "If you're not eating a wide variety of vegetables, fruits, and grains, you may be at risk for deficiencies in micronutrients, including selenium, magnesium, phosphorus, and vitamins B and C," McManus says. Liver problems. With so much fat to metabolize, the diet could make any existing liver conditions worse. Kidney problems. The kidneys help metabolize protein, and McManus says the keto diet may overload them. (The current recommended intake for protein averages 46 grams per day for women, and 56 grams for men). Constipation. The keto diet is low in fibrous foods like grains and legumes. Fuzzy thinking and mood swings. "The brain needs sugar from healthy carbohydrates to function. Low-carb diets may cause confusion and irritability," McManus says. Those risks add up — so make sure that you talk to a doctor and a registered dietitian before ever attempting a ketogenic diet. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet

Neferti wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:01pm:

I use this, the salt reduced one. https://img.offers-cdn.net/assets/uploads/offers/au/1739666/mainland-buttersoft-salted-or-salt-reduced-spreadable-butter-375g-large.jpeg

I used to buy that one, but I've gone back to good old butter. Cheaper, and wrapped in paper instead of plastic.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine.

You can cut both from your diet they offer nothing of nutritional value.

One slice of bread buttered has more calories than 2 slices of unbuttered bread.

Adding butter to vegetables makes a healthy low calorie food into something much higher calories with no health benefits.

That said vegemite on toast needs butter it's the only worthwhile exception

rhino wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 12:09am:

You dont know the basics, fat doesnt get stored more easily as fat on the body, the body burns fat more easily and makes into a combination of glucose and ketones. Muscle isnt burned or wasted when you dont eat, the body preserves muscle by burning visceral fat, thats why the body stores it. You think our ancestors bodies started cannibalising vital muscle and organs when they didnt eat? We wouldnt be here if that was so. Your post is completely full of misconceptions and ignorance on the subject of nutrition. Sports nutrritionist my arse. Dwayne johnson is a steroid user you twat, and so what, Hemsworth eats 6 times a day.  Quote: The weight loss industry is worth billions lots of bullshit fads fleecing people without giving long term healthy gains. yeh I know, like the completely unsustainable and unhealthy bullsh1t 6 times a day diet with steroids. Take your ignorant cr@p somewhere else dummy.

Did you miss the part where i said if you eat more calories than you burn it will go on as fat regardless of the source of calories?

When you have a calorie deficit your body starts consuming fat which is really stored energy. It's really quite simple.

Dwyane might have taken steroids when he was wrestling i wouldn't call all huge people steroid users Dr Terry Ly who ran the sports science courses was built like Bolo from the Bruce Lee movies he never took steroids i know quite a few huge people who have never used them.

When people take steroids it's usually a 6 week course then they take HCG injections to get their balls to drop testicular shrinkage is a side effect. They recover much faster which means they can work out everyday increasing weights with massive strength gains. They also need to up their protein intake. A lot of gym owners peddle steroids to the gullible hard work is under rated i would not recommend using steroids.

I eat 5-6 times a day. Breakfast Lunch Dinner morning tea might be mandarins or peaches with an apple around 3.30-4pm. Apples improve lung function and eaten at that time give good energy for evening workout. Then if i have a desert later in the evening that makes 6 times a day.

Fasting for weight loss is bullshit it can slow your metabolism down as your body tries to hang onto nutrients there are some studies showing it helps stimulate immune system which might be the only benefit.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:32pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:41pm: Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine. You can cut both from your diet they offer nothing of nutritional value. One slice of bread buttered has more calories than 2 slices of unbuttered bread. Adding butter to vegetables makes a healthy low calorie food into something much higher calories with no health benefits. That said vegemite on toast needs butter it's the only worthwhile exception

You can go without buttered bread. But, ever since childhood, I have been using either butter or margarine to make sandwiches taste edible. No matter what kind of sandwich spread I use, butter or margarine is a must to put on the bread first. And when you consider the calorie amount you have from butter added to the sandwich, it is not going to harm you in the long run.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 25^th, 2021 at 4:06pm:

You can go without buttered bread. But, ever since childhood, I have been using either butter or margarine to make sandwiches taste edible. No matter what kind of sandwich spread I use, butter or margarine is a must to put on the bread first. And when you consider the calorie amount you have from butter added to the sandwich, it is not going to harm you in the long run.

I stopped using butter and magarine in late teens. If you have flabs and want abs stop using it. I don't even use it for cooking for breakfast i had 2 poached eggs on toast with half an avacodo i haven't fried eggs since my teens.

It does harm you in the long run eating heaps of fat.

Nathan Pritikin was one of the first to look into healthy diets after suffering a heart attack. Back in those days doctors ordered rest for cardiac conditions with no other treatment. While his diet isn't perfect has some minor flaws it was something people were put on if they had heart disease and after heart bypass surgery.



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Autopsy of Pritikin May Renew Debate JULY 4, 1985 After Pritikin took his own life by slicing through arteries in his arms with a razor blade, the case routinely was referred to the local coroner’s office because it was an apparent suicide. The autopsy was conducted by Dr. Jeffrey D. Hubbard, a local pathologist, before he learned Pritikin’s true identity, Hubbard said. In a telephone interview, Hubbard said it was only by coincidence that he subjected Pritikin’s heart to an especially thorough autopsy examination--because the actual immediate cause of death was beyond question. The account of the autopsy results being published today was written jointly by Hubbard, Dr. Stephen Inkeles, an internal medicine specialist at Pritikin’s Longevity Center in Santa Monica, and R. James Barnard, a cardiovascular disease researcher at the Pritikin program who also holds an appointment at UCLA. What Hubbard found was a heart remarkably free of disease and coronary arteries that were completely open, without any hint of development of fatty plaques that plug up the vessels of heart disease victims and result in angina pain and often fatal heart attacks. While there were small traces of fatty tissue both in the heart muscle and in the coronary arteries, all four of the major arteries examined were totally free of any restriction--a condition virtually unheard of for a 69-year-old man living in a Western country. The size and weight of Pritikin’s heart were well within optimal ranges, the report noted, and the muscle tissue itself was thick, well developed and uncompromised, indicating the heart’s pumping ability was essentially unrestricted. Pritikin first developed his diet in the late 1950s and insisted for the rest of his life that his nutritional regimen (the Spartan diet emphasizes almost complete avoidance of saturated fats and other substances that contain cholesterol) could not only prevent the development of coronary artery disease but reverse it. The contention was one of the most significant of the controversies surrounding Pritikin’s program. Pritikin based the argument on the fact that he, himself, had been diagnosed as having heart disease and high blood fat levels in about 1955. He insisted that the diagnosis then established with virtual certainty that his own coronary arteries were blocked when he began his dietary system and that the absence of such plaques on his death would prove the validity of his arguments. The cholesterol level in Pritikin’s blood dropped from 280 milligrams in 1958--a reading at the high end of what American physicians say is the normal range but which other doctors say is far too high--to 94 milligrams in November, 1984. Doctors questioned by The Times said seeing a patient with cholesterol below 110 would be almost unprecedented in any American physician’s practice. Nevertheless, said Inkeles, “the autopsy findings are highly suggestive that regression took place, even though we can’t make a definitive statement. I think the message is that if you want to place a bet on minimizing atherosclerosis, the bet would have to be placed on the kind of diet Nathan Pritikin espoused and lived by the remainder of his adult life.” https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-07-04-vw-9280-story.html

Consuming fat is less damaging to the body than sugar. If you do not use up the energy produced by sugar, it turns to fat because of the insulin spike. Fat does not raise insulin to spike nearly as high.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 25^th, 2021 at 10:52pm:

Consuming fat is less damaging to the body than sugar. If you do not use up the energy produced by sugar, it turns to fat because of the insulin spike. Fat does not raise insulin to spike nearly as high.

If only the only thing affecting the body was insulin.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 2:06pm:

I can't believe it's not butter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMxrtztkb_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e33SNyaXNsk

Had my first egg, ham, and salad meal outside a foodstore, the other night. I ate it on a tray, not far from a dumpster. The most satisfying meal I have had in a long time.

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Had my first egg, ham, and salad meal outside a foodstore, the other night. I ate it on a tray, not far from a dumpster. The most satisfying meal I have had in a long time.

Good eating habit, Unsub. Eating your food as fresh as possible from the source is a good thing. :P

I think I will label you as royalty, Setanta. Because you obviously have such an easy life.

I do it.

I like it.

[70%-90% unprocessed foods....., but i still eat too much chocolate.]

And i do about 30 minutes of light aerobic exercise [cycling] almost every day.

The other month, I set a personal record of 38 kilometres walking in one week. People said to do 10,000 steps a week. I did those for my usual grocery shopping, dentist appointments, and the like. But I did about 26,000 more steps by walking to and from between home and the Rockhampton Base Hospital about 2 times in one week.

I think I am now banned from the emergency room waiting foyer for nearly wasting QAS time.