A roundtable of western scholars couldn't even hold a candle next to Eric Li, and english is his 2nd language.

Eric Li is absolutely awesome! He  successfully exposes the hypocrisy of these western clowns.
Those so-called western scholars are ridiculous. On one hand they don’t want China to touch anything in HK, on the other hand they want China to take responsibilities in Afghanistan! OMG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqe01ApSUb4

Don't open that link.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

Don't open that link.

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:) :) :)

https://youtu.be/Tqe01ApSUb4

Don't open that link.

The Philippines individuals think they can go fishing where Xi individually says the fish are his.

The People's Liberation Army in October 1950 surrounded the outnumbered Tibetan forces and captured the border town of Chamdo. 114 PLA soldiers and 180 Tibetan soldiers had been killed or wounded. Writing in 1962, Zhang Guohua claimed "over 5,700 enemy men were destroyed" .
When the fighting spread to Lhasa in March 1959, the Dalai Lama left Lhasa  where it was estimated over 2,000 people had died during the three days of fighting between the Tibetans and the Chinese army.

This was a peaceful meeting of beautiful Chinese cultures who are all Han.

Something happened in Hong Kong after this video. It all went wrong, the British are to blame. Keep quiet or the police come knock at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VP1FENL4w

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Don't open that link.

Don't listen to an Ukrainian wog.
:)

The speaker said he can't think of a country which gave the autonomy which Hong Kong used to have.

Every State in US, as well as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland in UK have the powers of that Hong Kong parliament. The US States for 250 years, Hong Kong for 21 then the jackboots marched in.

China is not fighting internally.

Democracy guarantees an internal struggle - so wasted resources.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 2:23pm:

China is not fighting internally. Democracy guarantees an internal struggle - so wasted resources.

Internally the regime is deeply divided.

Xi Jinping is attempting, by next year, to have the regime declare him president for life (along the lines of what Hitler did).

There are many within the regime who are fighting to stop that.

The video says that China has a say in Taiwan. The events in Hong Kong show what kind of a say that will be. The  National People's Congress now rules HK. Xi rules the Congress. 

By conquest, King George III owned Australia which is now ruled by popular vote. China was ruled by a people's revolutionary party which is now owned by Xi. King Xi of Hong Kong and Taiwan (and loose bits of India and Bhutan. And Philippines. Long Live Xi).

Because the West foolishly thought it could create a full Brotherhood of Man by offering to China the opportunity to prosper mightily via its leadership exploiting every facet of State control to earn for themselves unearned billions, and this would create a situation in which that leadership would see that their best interests lay in maintaining peace and prosperity and reliable trade.

It's called 'cultural assimilation' and is in the CIA handbook (you mean you didn't know that?  Am I talking out of school again? I thought everyone knew that), and clearly does not properly and fully incorporate the true national quirks of Dark Age petty tyrants controlling nations of billions...

Was tried with Japan - worked the second time around when it was under total American control.... the first time was a bit hinky... had to bomb the joint flat to save it from itself...

Back to the drawing board...

chimera wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 3:09pm:

The video says that China has a say in Taiwan. The events in Hong Kong show what kind of a say that will be. The  National People's Congress now rules HK. Xi rules the Congress.  By conquest, King George III owned Australia which is now ruled by popular vote. China was ruled by a people's revolutionary party which is now owned by Xi. King Xi of Hong Kong and Taiwan (and loose bits of India and Bhutan. And Philippines. Long Live Xi).

Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Xitler?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

Because the West foolishly thought it could create a full Brotherhood of Man by offering to China the opportunity to prosper mightily via its leadership exploiting every facet of State control to earn for themselves unearned billions, and this would create a situation in which that leadership would see that their best interests lay in maintaining peace and prosperity and reliable trade.

The scorpion and the frog?

Western neo-liberalism means economic deregulation and by proxy degeneration of tradition. Accelerated all over the west in the 50s-60's, led by the US, first trialed on the minority population (destruction of black family units) then applied to the rest of the population. It led to total decentralization of political power, rise of the big monopolies/corporate run oligarchy, formalization of political corruption. annihilation of social cohesion, popularized mass identity factionalism (eg. race, gender) and dysphoria, demoralization, and ultimately as we are seeing now, the fall of the west.

Some say this new progressive parasitic ideology was planted into US tertiary institutions by soviet spies engaged in a long con back during the upheavals of the Vietnam war. It may have actually succeeded decades later. At least two to three generations of students now forming the elite are decisively compromised degenerates.
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-YSiWJ9WP0

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:09am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 7:56am: Because the West foolishly thought it could create a full Brotherhood of Man by offering to China the opportunity to prosper mightily via its leadership exploiting every facet of State control to earn for themselves unearned billions, and this would create a situation in which that leadership would see that their best interests lay in maintaining peace and prosperity and reliable trade. The scorpion and the frog?

That allusion escaped me!  Not quick enough on it... thanks.

Even I have my minor imperfections... some of which are pretty big ones...

athos wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

Western neo-liberalism means economic deregulation and by proxy degeneration of tradition. Accelerated all over the west in the 50s-60's, led by the US, first trialed on the minority population (destruction of black family units) then applied to the rest of the population. It led to total decentralization of political power, rise of the big monopolies/corporate run oligarchy, formalization of political corruption. annihilation of social cohesion, popularized mass identity factionalism (eg. race, gender) and dysphoria, demoralization, and ultimately as we are seeing now, the fall of the west. Some say this new progressive parasitic ideology was planted into US tertiary institutions by soviet spies engaged in a long con back during the upheavals of the Vietnam war. It may have actually succeeded decades later. At least two to three generations of students now forming the elite are decisively compromised degenerates. :)

You'll find most of us with any mind despise neo-liberalism and all it does and portends - thing is, we weren't planning to destroy the culture in which we live in order to save it from itself, and while I, for one oppose with might and main every chicanery of our modern governance, and even while that may make me an Enemy of The State in standing for the people first before state - this does not mean I am an enemy of my nation.

It's a fine point... I'm happy to be an Enemy of The State as long as it saves my nation and its people from that State.

Chinkophiles, on the other hand, want to bring it all down so they can feast among the ruins... pretty dumb if you ask me and incredibly arrogant and naive.  Like the rabid feminist talibans, once you wreck the whole joint, there is nothing in the ruins to feed off...

athos wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

At least two to three generations of students now forming the elite are decisively compromised degenerates. :)

"Der Untermensch", edited by Himmler 1942 after the start of Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union.

"Just as the night rises against the day, the light and dark are in eternal conflict. So too, is the subhuman the greatest enemy of the dominant species on earth, mankind. The subhuman is a biological creature, crafted by nature, which has hands, legs, eyes and mouth, even the semblance of a brain. Nevertheless, this terrible creature is only a partial human being.

Although it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside of this creature lies wild and unrestrained passions: an incessant need to destroy, filled with the most primitive desires, chaos and coldhearted villainy.

A subhuman and nothing more!  Not all of those who appear human are in fact so. Woe to him who forgets it!"

Decadence has penetrated into all segments of western society. This is worse than the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Believe or not but this is the President of the United states, and the media just let's him get away with it. NO ACCOUNTABILITY AT ALL.
The only time Biden comes alive is when he spots young girls. Other times, he doesn't know where he is or what he's doing there.
It's incredible how parents allow this to continue happening to they're kids right in front of them
If anyone approached him they would be shot on the spot. It’s the power! That’s the problem.
Imagine what he does when he's not in public.
It's very sickening and paifull to watch.
>:(

https://youtu.be/SbiCWxzs9UA

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 8:09am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 7:56am: Because the West foolishly thought it could create a full Brotherhood of Man by offering to China the opportunity to prosper mightily via its leadership exploiting every facet of State control to earn for themselves unearned billions, and this would create a situation in which that leadership would see that their best interests lay in maintaining peace and prosperity and reliable trade. The scorpion and the frog? That allusion escaped me!  Not quick enough on it... thanks. Even I have my minor imperfections... some of which are pretty big ones...

Although people usually think it's only about scorpion-nature... It's frog-nature to dive.

athos wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 4:16pm:

Decadence has penetrated into all segments of western society. This is worse than the collapse of the Roman Empire. Believe or not but this is the President of the United states, and the media just let's him get away with it. NO ACCOUNTABILITY AT ALL. The only time Biden comes alive is when he spots young girls. Other times, he doesn't know where he is or what he's doing there. It's incredible how parents allow this to continue happening to they're kids right in front of them If anyone approached him they would be shot on the spot. It’s the power! That’s the problem. Imagine what he does when he's not in public. It's very sickening and paifull to watch. >:( https://youtu.be/SbiCWxzs9UA

There is no correlation, let alone causation, between the moth-eaten sock puppet's creepiness and Thug-in-Chief For Life Xi's Chinese Communist regime. They are creepy and thuggish independently from the other.

athos wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

A roundtable of western scholars couldn't even hold a candle next to Eric Li, and english is his 2nd language. Eric Li is absolutely awesome! He  successfully exposes the hypocrisy of these western clowns. Those so-called western scholars are ridiculous. On one hand they don’t want China to touch anything in HK, on the other hand they want China to take responsibilities in Afghanistan! OMG.

Well, if you bothered to take note of China's problems, they have a large population that is going backwards. And they do not grow enough food to feed themselves. They are going to be in a situation where hundred of millions of Chinese people will be hungrier than they are now. And their ageing population will just burden them to a point where they need to find another disease to release on the world.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 4:20pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 12:08pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 8:09am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 7:56am: Because the West foolishly thought it could create a full Brotherhood of Man by offering to China the opportunity to prosper mightily via its leadership exploiting every facet of State control to earn for themselves unearned billions, and this would create a situation in which that leadership would see that their best interests lay in maintaining peace and prosperity and reliable trade. The scorpion and the frog? That allusion escaped me!  Not quick enough on it... thanks. Even I have my minor imperfections... some of which are pretty big ones... Although people usually think it's only about scorpion-nature... It's frog-nature to dive.

Though usually not for a deep six.....

.. full fathom five, my father lies,
his feet are of coral made,
these are pearls that were his eyes....

Traveling down from Port Mack t'other day, and saw a sign that said "Jericho Road" - instantly thought that was a great title for a book about the way the road we are being driven down unwillingly by governments of sellouts will inevitably lead to them walls come-a tumblin' down...

Jericho Road - under tons of masonry no-one can hear you scream.....

"Say - what the hell was that noise?"

"I think it was a civilisation collapsing...."

There is also a historical precedent - post WW II Japan and Germany established a solid industrial base, with aid - but principally because their old and worn-out and out-moded technology was bombed flat and then re-built.

I've said before that given the proper impetus - which looks like it is looming on the horizon - the West will re-tool with even more modern technology and will again establish itself as the pre-eminent industrial group on Earth.  Dominance in industrial strength gives a solid base from which all else flows - playing at being a 'service provider' - money mover and such (LMAO) - can never compensate for carrying on those activities WITH a strong industrial base.

That strong industrial base also gives physical national security in the event of world troubles - though the 'reasoning' of the governments of the West today may be that the possibility of nuclear strike renders such strength irrelevant.

I, of course, beg to differ - none but a total fool would strike at a strong industrial based nation.

Also this is partly behind my development of the GAIA concept - of industry based on top of the resources over West, and with new and totally modern technology right through the city that would develop.  Some are coming on board with this idea with the mooting of a trans-continental railway line to carry Galilee Basin coal to the Pilbara... they're catching on.

Since anywhere can be struck in an attack it does not matter where you place it..... so right on top of the resources is as good as anywhere else... and again - only a fool would actually launch a nuclear attack.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:32pm:

Traveling down from Port Mack t'other day, and saw a sign that said "Jericho Road" - instantly thought that was a great title for a book about the way the road we are being driven down unwillingly by governments of sellouts will inevitably lead to them walls come-a tumblin' down... Jericho Road - under tons of masonry no-one can hear you scream.....

Yep, that's a great title! You're onto something.

China under fire
A mere ten years ago, African countries were scrambling to get a piece of Beijing’s largesse: in a couple of decades, China had gone from being a marginal actor in the continent’s economic life to its biggest trading partner. With the Belt and Road Initiative and formerly the “Go Out” strategy, more than 10,000 Chinese companies – 90% privately owned – are now operating in Africa, and large settlements of Chinese entrepreneurs in places such as Nigeria and Senegal have followed them.

But that position is increasingly tenuous: Beijing is facing accusations of neocolonialism and of trapping countries in crippling debt. At the same time, Tokyo’s new initiatives and Brussels’ as well as Moscow’s renewed proposals for Africa have dealt a blow to China’s ambitions. The massive influx of funds and workers from China has led to increased anti-Chinese sentiment, and Beijing has yet to find ways to defend itself against accusations that its people exist in parallel societies in the host countries, independent of indigenous values and norms.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/how-africa-breaking-china-s-neo-colonial-shackles


They do that everywhere, set up parallel societies separate from the host society and loyal to China.

The Chinese performance speaks more than million words of western ideology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAEGNL56sEM
;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cmc56O4VVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfGxx1GQHQ

The CCP has finished starving its citizens to death, and they are now twice as rich as when they had nothing at all.

The West has pussified itself and allowed every silly social science based nonsense to take over and assume the mantle of power and control.

It will now take an enormous crisis and brutal loss before it wakes up again and future generations will look back on the late 1900s and early 2000s as the greatest appeasement of every pissy little group that feels justified in causing a ruckus.

Getting rid of the cancer will likely kill the patient now... or massive intervention from outside will cause the body to reject the diseases it has built for itself.

Assuming that all people are nice like some of us is the greatest mistake anyone could ever make - and that applies to the utter brutality and selfishness of certain social groups that have been given all the inside running for over forty years now.

Appeasement....

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 6:28pm:

The CCP has finished starving its citizens to death, and they are now twice as rich as when they had nothing at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ouh2ial8A

A decade and a half back, the late Christopher Hitchens was talking to the then UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and brought up my demographic-death-spiral thesis from America Alone. Hitch wanted to know whether, when the PM got together with the Continental bigwigs, it was part of "the European conversation".

Tone replied that it was part of "the subterranean conversation".

By which he meant that nice house-trained EU prime ministers hadn't figured out a way to raise such subjects in public without being damned as racists and becoming electorally unviable, at least anywhere west of the Landstraße, to modify Metternich. They still haven't. Fifteen years on, almost every subject worth talking about remains part of "the subterranean conversation".

But once in a while, even for Mr Blair, the subterranean pokes its head above the surface:

Former British P.M. Tony Blair Rips Biden Afghanistan Withdrawal: Gives 'Our Opponents A Belief Our Time Is Over'

Well, our opponents aren't wrong about that, are they? In fact, Tone is still being semi-subterranean about all this: It's not just "our opponents" who belive "our time is over", but a significant percentage of the west's ruling class. For why else would they have gone over to the other side? Our randomly selected Shill of the Day, Joe Biden's jetsetting climate honcho:

John Kerry echoes China's argument that human rights sanctions threaten climate talks

So many global A-listers are "echoing China's argument" these days, don't you find? Fauci and the public health gang, the stars and administrators of those crappy unwatchable corporate sports, Justin Trudeau, Hollywood, the WHO...

It suits China that climate change is the only Big Picture non-subterranean conversation we are permitted to have. Every minute we spend worrying about whether the Maldives will be washed away by rising sea levels in the twenty-second century makes it less likely we'll notice that America is being washed away by China right now.

https://www.steynonline.com/11674/subterranean-tone-sick-blues

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2021 at 6:28pm:

The CCP has finished starving its citizens to death, and they are now twice as rich as when they had nothing at all.

The Chinese are no longer starving. But they are just as rich as they were when they were starving?

who will be running afghanistan ?

pakistan and the ISI.

where is one of chinas biggest belt and road initiatives?

pakistan.

they have built nearly every piece of infrastructure the place has.

another domino falls to china

aquascoot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 4:42pm:

who will be running afghanistan ? pakistan and the ISI. where is one of chinas biggest belt and road initiatives? pakistan. they have built nearly every piece of infrastructure the place has. another domino falls to china

As long as the Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaris, Balochis (et al) don't form militias and start targeting the Chinese in Afghanistan. The Balochis near blew up the Chinese Ambassador earlier this year.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 4:42pm:

who will be running afghanistan ?

Never mind Afghanistan - who is running the West?

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 10:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 8th, 2021 at 4:42pm: who will be running afghanistan ? Never mind Afghanistan - who is running the West?

Is it a group of politically 'progressive' and communist leaning advisors and policy makers,
who 'have the ear' of some senile geriatric, who currently lives in a big White House, in the U.S. ?

Nice work, if you can get it.

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 10:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 8th, 2021 at 4:42pm: who will be running afghanistan ? Never mind Afghanistan - who is running the West?

Nobody - the pussified West is looking at its own multiple navels all damned day while those with some dedication to their 'cause' - and every cause is ephemeral - are running riot.  EVERY society that is running rough-shod over the West at this time is an intensely PATRIARCHAL society - and yet our ponces of 'leaders' persist with their insanity of pushing women, ethnics, blacks, and any other group that is afforded Accredited Victim Status, while ignoring the simple reality that we have only ourselves alone, and out there is an entire world waiting to devour us and what we have.

While we're beating ordinary people to death and destroying them over racism, violence against women, discrimination, sexism, equality as defined by a special interest group, toxic masculinity, and so forth - the Third World is laughing at us and taking full advantage of our fears and our inherent weakness WE have developed from bashing down those best suited to defend and uphold our once held values.

Those bashed into the ground to suit some ridiculous ideology that has no foundation in reality, are more likely to stand against their Oppressors who have taken control over their government than to defend their own nation of fools...

You simply cannot teach fools... and while fools are allowed to run the show, there will be no end but annihilation.

Xi Jinping’s Faustian moment
'Only he deserves freedom as well as life who must conquer them every day' - Goethe's Faust


Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution caught up with the 15-year-old Xi Jinping, as Edward Luttwak recounted recently in the London Review of Books.

The young Xi, son of a Communist luminary disgraced by the Red Guards, was “sent to work in Liangjiahe, a miserably poor mountain village of windowless cave houses in a barren landscape of deforested hills in northern Shaanxi.

It was there that another teenage exile lent him a copy of [Goethe’s] Faust, which Xi read again and again till he knew it by heart, as he credibly boasted on meeting Angela Merkel.”

Goethe’s great drama is the definitive work of modern literature. Virtually all of it is in rhymed verse, in a language at once so colloquial and so sublime that it defies translation.

...
The 2006 Nobelist in Economics Edmund Phelps sketched what might be called a “Faustian” economic philosophy in an essay published a dozen years ago:

I personally hold that the classical spirit of challenge and self-discovery is a fundamental human trait. By showing how the risk-taking activity of individuals contributes to social benefits, economics helps societies to accommodate what Augustine called our “restlessness of heart.” This is the better part of our human nature. Societies that suppress this restlessness stagnate and die. The issue of morality in economics is neither the fairness of income distribution nor the stability of financial systems. It is how human institutions can be shaped to correspond to human nature—to man’s nature as an innovator.

...
The “last conclusion of wisdom,” Faust says with his penultimate breath, is: “Only he deserves freedom as well as life who must conquer them every day.”

In the original that is: Nur der verdient sich Freiheit wie das Leben/Der täglich sie erobern muß. I read those words for the first time half a century ago, and they have been my personal motto ever since. 

One can only guess what Xi thinks about Faust. I conjecture that he thinks of his own regime as a relentless and often merciless campaign against complacency, driving the Chinese 1.4 billion people to achieve and innovate like no other country in the world.

His dynasty will prevail, he may believe, if it does not sink into the self-satisfied torpor that infected so many of its predecessors. If I am right, Xi is the most formidable rival the West has ever encountered.
https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/xi-jinpings-faustian-moment/

Read the whole thing.


(I recommend the Walter Kaufmann translation of Faust.)

"When a ruler tyrannises his subjects, it's as if he's tearing out his own flesh to fill his stomach" - Emperor Taizong

I'd agree with that frank.

i see disney and the NBA and ford and even gates have come out and said very complementary things about china.

i think what the chinese say behind closed doors about the west is this

'those guys in the west are so smug, so sanctimonius, banging on about transgender rights and racism...but just write them a cheque and we can get them to do whatever we want".

its one thing that china no longer fears the west (why would they when america runs off from afghanistan and leaves their own people behind)

its a completely different thing that china no longer respects the west .


i think australia, NZ, the phillipines, taiwan , south korea and japan are in the exact same situation that the pacific rim found themselves in back in 1941.

back then, america was a very different animal.

now, i see the defeat in afghanistan much like the british defeat in singapore.

the thought that australia can now rely on europe or america is perhaps foolish.



the countries like australia and the phillipines , south korea will now face a choice.

we can decide to get along with china and i dont think they will humiliate us but they will expect us to hand over the minerals in exchange for the goods (pretty much what is happening now).

north seems to think the chinese are going to land in taiwan or south korea like the yanks  on d day. some sort of amphibious invasion  :D

why would that happen.?

within a decade china will control the air space and the sea lanes.


they just pull up every oil tanker headed to australia for an "environmental inspection" and then turn them around.

who's going to stop them

who's going to stop them strangling taiwan like a giant boa constrictor.

Biden  :D :D  merkel  :D :D  macron   :D :D  adern  :D :D.


recognising this, i cannot see what purpose it serves to develop a bad relationship with them

like i say, i think we can maintain our sovereign state and we wont be humiliated .
but we are going to have to deal with them

and short of the rest of the world growing a spine and giving up the civilisational diabetes that grips them, as time goes on, china gets stronger and they get weaker.

if the west was going to take on china they needed to do it 2 decades ago.

instead they didnt face up to the threat.


and when you dont face up to a threat, it gets stronger and you get weaker

aquascoot wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 12:48pm:

I'd agree with that frank. i see disney and the NBA and ford and even gates have come out and said very complementary things about china. i think what the chinese say behind closed doors about the west is this 'those guys in the west are so smug, so sanctimonius, banging on about transgender rights and racism...but just write them a cheque and we can get them to do whatever we want". its one thing that china no longer fears the west (why would they when america runs off from afghanistan and leaves their own people behind) its a completely different thing that china no longer respects the west . i think australia, NZ, the phillipines, taiwan , south korea and japan are in the exact same situation that the pacific rim found themselves in back in 1941. back then, america was a very different animal. now, i see the defeat in afghanistan much like the british defeat in singapore. the thought that australia can now rely on europe or america is perhaps foolish. the countries like australia and the phillipines , south korea will now face a choice. we can decide to get along with china and i dont think they will humiliate us but they will expect us to hand over the minerals in exchange for the goods (pretty much what is happening now). north seems to think the chinese are going to land in taiwan or south korea like the yanks  on d day. some sort of amphibious invasion  :D why would that happen.? within a decade china will control the air space and the sea lanes. they just pull up every oil tanker headed to australia for an "environmental inspection" and then turn them around. who's going to stop them who's going to stop them strangling taiwan like a giant boa constrictor. Biden  :D :D  merkel  :D :D  macron   :D :D  adern  :D :D. recognising this, i cannot see what purpose it serves to develop a bad relationship with them like i say, i think we can maintain our sovereign state and we wont be humiliated . but we are going to have to deal with them and short of the rest of the world growing a spine and giving up the civilisational diabetes that grips them, as time goes on, china gets stronger and they get weaker. if the west was going to take on china they needed to do it 2 decades ago. instead they didnt face up to the threat. and when you dont face up to a threat, it gets stronger and you get weaker

Someone left the gate to the back paddock open again.

In 1941 the US had a military comparable to the size of Belgium's. By 1945 it was the undisputed greatest superpower in the history of the world.

The US was not defeated in Afghanistan. The US had lost interest in Afghanistan since the second Obama Administration.

The Chinese regime does not have a battle-tested army, navy or air force and therefore does not have the collective millions of hours of battleground experience that is available to the US, so it cannot know how its forces will fare in a true battle.

Australia has and always will be prepared to cede at least some of our sovereignty to a favoured, like-minded superpower in return for protection from belligerent neighbours.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 12:48pm:

I'd agree with that frank. i see disney and the NBA and ford and even gates have come out and said very complementary things about china. i think what the chinese say behind closed doors about the west is this 'those guys in the west are so smug, so sanctimonius, banging on about transgender rights and racism...but just write them a cheque and we can get them to do whatever we want". its one thing that china no longer fears the west (why would they when america runs off from afghanistan and leaves their own people behind) its a completely different thing that china no longer respects the west . i think australia, NZ, the phillipines, taiwan , south korea and japan are in the exact same situation that the pacific rim found themselves in back in 1941. back then, america was a very different animal. now, i see the defeat in afghanistan much like the british defeat in singapore. the thought that australia can now rely on europe or america is perhaps foolish. the countries like australia and the phillipines , south korea will now face a choice. we can decide to get along with china and i dont think they will humiliate us but they will expect us to hand over the minerals in exchange for the goods (pretty much what is happening now). north seems to think the chinese are going to land in taiwan or south korea like the yanks  on d day. some sort of amphibious invasion  :D why would that happen.? within a decade china will control the air space and the sea lanes. they just pull up every oil tanker headed to australia for an "environmental inspection" and then turn them around. who's going to stop them who's going to stop them strangling taiwan like a giant boa constrictor. Biden  :D :D  merkel  :D :D  macron   :D :D  adern  :D :D. recognising this, i cannot see what purpose it serves to develop a bad relationship with them like i say, i think we can maintain our sovereign state and we wont be humiliated . but we are going to have to deal with them and short of the rest of the world growing a spine and giving up the civilisational diabetes that grips them, as time goes on, china gets stronger and they get weaker. if the west was going to take on china they needed to do it 2 decades ago. instead they didnt face up to the threat. and when you dont face up to a threat, it gets stronger and you get weaker

Up to a point, Lord Copper, up to a point.

China is reaching its limits/limitations.  Coercion doesn't work. But China knows no other way to influence. The bullying, wolf warrior tactics are backfiring at every level. They threatened to nuke Japan and now Australia. 

Two decadds ago the West thought that embracing China would lead to Chinese democratisation and a better adjusted, open and rule- abiding China. That was a big mistake and not one to be made again.

Australia and probably many others will veto China's joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Australia places demands on China’s bid to join Pacific trade bloc
Australia will demand China ends its campaign of economic trade coercion and reopen ministerial trade talks as a prerequisite for starting negotiations on its bid to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal.

China formally applied to join the 11-member trading bloc, which includes Australia, late on Thursday, the same day it lashed out at a new defence pact between Canberra and Washington.

However, China faces hurdles gaining membership of the region’s largest trading bloc due to rising security and economic tensions with Australia, the United States and other key members including Japan and potentially Vietnam.

Australia is also hoping the US will consider rejoining the bloc, known as the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) in the medium term.




China's dream run is over.

The WW2 conflict with Japan started because of isolation of Japan.

Is WW3 being fueled by right-wing stupidity?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 1:29pm:

The WW2 conflict with Japan started because of isolation of Japan. Is WW3 being fueled by right-wing stupidity?

Suuuure. The Rape of Nanking and Pearl Harbour were cries for help and attention by a Japan suffering separation anxiety.

similarly, China is coercive, cheats, steals, ignores international rules because nobody is trading with it.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 1:29pm:

Is WW3 being fueled by right-wing stupidity?

No by human nature as minifested in mindless groupthink.

;D
athos wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

A roundtable of western scholars couldn't even hold a candle next to Eric Li, and english is his 2nd language. Eric Li is absolutely awesome! He  successfully exposes the hypocrisy of these western clowns. Those so-called western scholars are ridiculous. On one hand they don’t want China to touch anything in HK, on the other hand they want China to take responsibilities in Afghanistan! OMG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqe01ApSUb4

;D

Frank wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 1:20pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 19th, 2021 at 12:48pm: I'd agree with that frank. i see disney and the NBA and ford and even gates have come out and said very complementary things about china. i think what the chinese say behind closed doors about the west is this 'those guys in the west are so smug, so sanctimonius, banging on about transgender rights and racism...but just write them a cheque and we can get them to do whatever we want". its one thing that china no longer fears the west (why would they when america runs off from afghanistan and leaves their own people behind) its a completely different thing that china no longer respects the west . i think australia, NZ, the phillipines, taiwan , south korea and japan are in the exact same situation that the pacific rim found themselves in back in 1941. back then, america was a very different animal. now, i see the defeat in afghanistan much like the british defeat in singapore. the thought that australia can now rely on europe or america is perhaps foolish. the countries like australia and the phillipines , south korea will now face a choice. we can decide to get along with china and i dont think they will humiliate us but they will expect us to hand over the minerals in exchange for the goods (pretty much what is happening now). north seems to think the chinese are going to land in taiwan or south korea like the yanks  on d day. some sort of amphibious invasion  :D why would that happen.? within a decade china will control the air space and the sea lanes. they just pull up every oil tanker headed to australia for an "environmental inspection" and then turn them around. who's going to stop them who's going to stop them strangling taiwan like a giant boa constrictor. Biden  :D :D  merkel  :D :D  macron   :D :D  adern  :D :D. recognising this, i cannot see what purpose it serves to develop a bad relationship with them like i say, i think we can maintain our sovereign state and we wont be humiliated . but we are going to have to deal with them and short of the rest of the world growing a spine and giving up the civilisational diabetes that grips them, as time goes on, china gets stronger and they get weaker. if the west was going to take on china they needed to do it 2 decades ago. instead they didnt face up to the threat. and when you dont face up to a threat, it gets stronger and you get weaker Up to a point, Lord Copper, up to a point. China is reaching its limits/limitations.  Coercion doesn't work. But China knows no other way to influence. The bullying, wolf warrior tactics are backfiring at every level. They threatened to nuke Japan and now Australia.  Two decadds ago the West thought that embracing China would lead to Chinese democratisation and a better adjusted, open and rule- abiding China. That was a big mistake and not one to be made again. Australia and probably many others will veto China's joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. Australia places demands on China’s bid to join Pacific trade bloc Australia will demand China ends its campaign of economic trade coercion and reopen ministerial trade talks as a prerequisite for starting negotiations on its bid to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal. China formally applied to join the 11-member trading bloc, which includes Australia, late on Thursday, the same day it lashed out at a new defence pact between Canberra and Washington. However, China faces hurdles gaining membership of the region’s largest trading bloc due to rising security and economic tensions with Australia, the United States and other key members including Japan and potentially Vietnam. Australia is also hoping the US will consider rejoining the bloc, known as the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) in the medium term. China's dream run is over.

but frank,

since the beginning of the pandemic, USA imports from china are up 20 %.
UK imports from china are up 35 %.

your iphone is made in china
all the electric vehicles will be made in china
china has (under belt and road)  effectively leant money to nigeria, kenya, sri lanka, pakistan, ethiopia and that money flows right back to china for their infrastructure, their skilled labor.
china has assumed control of the ports in sri lanka because they cant service their debt.

critical infrastructure, all thru europe, the uk, america and probably australia is run in partnership with chinese companies. thats the CCP.


and the chinese go back to beijing and they look at the west and see jacinda adern proposing that new zealand be renamed in maori,
pretty soon autralia  will be renamed gondwanaland.

its not that china is too strong, its that the west is too weak.
too soft
too unwilling to experience any discomfort.

they dont even need a military.

just brew up another virus that gives people a bad cold and the west will crap its collective pants

The Duke of WestFailure....

(add picture).....

aquascoot wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

but frank, since the beginning of the pandemic, USA imports from china are up 20 %. UK imports from china are up 35 %. your iphone is made in china all the electric vehicles will be made in china china has (under belt and road)  effectively leant money to nigeria, kenya, sri lanka, pakistan, ethiopia and that money flows right back to china for their infrastructure, their skilled labor. china has assumed control of the ports in sri lanka because they cant service their debt. critical infrastructure, all thru europe, the uk, america and probably australia is run in partnership with chinese companies. thats the CCP. and the chinese go back to beijing and they look at the west and see jacinda adern proposing that new zealand be renamed in maori, pretty soon autralia  will be renamed gondwanaland. its not that china is too strong, its that the west is too weak. too soft too unwilling to experience any discomfort. they dont even need a military. just brew up another virus that gives people a bad cold and the west will crap its collective pants

That was 5 years ago.

China needs Western buyers more than the West needs Chinese manufacturing. Do remember that all that Chinese production is largely in Western companies in China.

iPhones, electronics, Nikes - all Western. Purely Chinese tech - Huawei - is blocked. Microchips - Taiwanese.  It is perfectly possible and comfortable to go through life and never buy anything Chinese. The Chinese got too arrogant too soon. hubris. They simply do not understand the world, especially not the West.

China is a sweatshop but it has zero cultural understanding or influence. All they know is how to bully and coerce. That will simply not work. It doesn't. The Chinese are repellent.

There is not a single Chinese cultural influence taken on and embraced by the world. They export their people everywhere and they remain odd outsiders everywhere. There is no Chinese cultural influence because nobody wants to be like the Chinese except the Chinese.

I've got one word for Ah Tos, and it is EVERGRANDE.

Frank wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

t. There is not a single Chinese cultural influence taken on and embraced by the world. They export their people everywhere and they remain odd outsiders everywhere. There is no Chinese cultural influence because nobody wants to be like the Chinese except the Chinese.

I was largely in agreement until I read the above piece of deluded twaddle.  I suppose you’ve never eaten Chinese food or used fireworks - the list could go on.
Don’t try and tell us a nation’s cuisine isn’t a cultural artifact. You’ll be giving the French yet another reason to hate us.
Remain outsiders everywhere? Now that really is seriously deluded. maybe the Chinese who encounter you detect your mindless racism and stay well away.

Having said that I agree the Chinese are at this point in time playing a very dirty game. Maybe they’ve learnt something from the US along the way?

Like all other traditional cultures, China would be a stagnant backwater if it had not embraced Western ways and influence.

But Western dynamism, curiousity and inventiveness doesn't need Chinese culture in any way.

Ayn Marx wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 9:59am:

Frank wrote on Sep 20th, 2021 at 8:42pm: There is not a single Chinese cultural influence taken on and embraced by the world. They export their people everywhere and they remain odd outsiders everywhere. There is no Chinese cultural influence because nobody wants to be like the Chinese except the Chinese. I was largely in agreement until I read the above piece of deluded twaddle.  I suppose you’ve never eaten Chinese food or used fireworks - the list could go on.

The list never goes on because it doesn't exist.

In any case, who would care if there was no more Chinese food or fireworks? Nobody. It's trivia.

Frank wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 20th, 2021 at 5:02pm: but frank, since the beginning of the pandemic, USA imports from china are up 20 %. UK imports from china are up 35 %. your iphone is made in china all the electric vehicles will be made in china china has (under belt and road)  effectively leant money to nigeria, kenya, sri lanka, pakistan, ethiopia and that money flows right back to china for their infrastructure, their skilled labor. china has assumed control of the ports in sri lanka because they cant service their debt. critical infrastructure, all thru europe, the uk, america and probably australia is run in partnership with chinese companies. thats the CCP. and the chinese go back to beijing and they look at the west and see jacinda adern proposing that new zealand be renamed in maori, pretty soon autralia  will be renamed gondwanaland. its not that china is too strong, its that the west is too weak. too soft too unwilling to experience any discomfort. they dont even need a military. just brew up another virus that gives people a bad cold and the west will crap its collective pants That was 5 years ago. China needs Western buyers more than the West needs Chinese manufacturing. Do remember that all that Chinese production is largely in Western companies in China. iPhones, electronics, Nikes - all Western. Purely Chinese tech - Huawei - is blocked. Microchips - Taiwanese.  It is perfectly possible and comfortable to go through life and never buy anything Chinese. The Chinese got too arrogant too soon. hubris. They simply do not understand the world, especially not the West. China is a sweatshop but it has zero cultural understanding or influence. All they know is how to bully and coerce. That will simply not work. It doesn't. The Chinese are repellent. There is not a single Chinese cultural influence taken on and embraced by the world. They export their people everywhere and they remain odd outsiders everywhere. There is no Chinese cultural influence because nobody wants to be like the Chinese except the Chinese.

The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it.
:)

athos wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:51am:

The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it.

Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:05pm:

athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years.

"Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese.
:D

athos wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese.

And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:15pm:

athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:14pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese. And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think?

Yep Like Melbournians, Martians or "Australians".
:D

athos wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:14pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese. And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think? Yep Like Melbournians, Martians or "Australians".

Like Taiwanese as opposed to whatever the regime calls the rest.

athos wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 11:51am:

The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. :)

Vely dloll, Wan Kin.



Why doesn’t China have a cricket team?
They always eat the bat.

Tsk, tsk.  ::)  ::)

issuevoter wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 8:26am:

I've got one word for Ah Tos, and it is EVERGRANDE.

Almost 30 per cent of Chinese GDP is in the real estate sector, so a big fall in the sector would send the Middle Kingdom into recession with dramatic global repercussions.

In China the massive Evergrande operation is effectively broke. The Chinese government may save it but is more likely to concentrate on saving the hundreds of thousands of Chinese who have bought apartments from Evergrande “off the plan”.

In Australia we have seen many “off the plan” projects collapse but nothing on this scale.

Evergrande owns more than 1300 real estate projects in over 280 cities in China.

Banks have stopped lending Evergrande money and shattered suppliers are shutting the doors so Evergrande can’t complete the projects. Those who bought unfinished apartments are protesting while suppliers, which are spread throughout China, can see their solvency at risk if they are not paid.

And Evergrande can’t pay. Evergrande has $US89 billion of direct borrowing but total liabilities of more than $US300bn which is scattered around a myriad of suppliers. Most of the lenders are Chinese banks and other local lenders but there is an unknown number international banks and investors who were seeking high yields. Not surprisingly Evergrande bonds are selling at token levels.

Given the size and impact many believe that Evergrande is too big to be allowed to fail but the majority opinion is that the Chinese government will see this is a wonderful opportunity to finance those seen as favourable to the Communist Party to complete the projects.

Accordingly, if China embraces that strategy the ordinary Chinese “off the plan” buyers will be protected and selected banks and suppliers will be helped.

In that process the Chinese Communist Party will take control of the highly speculative-driven real estate business in the same way it now controls the hi-tech companies.

Using material from The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, let me describe some of what is happening on the ground.

Earlier this year Evergrande told its employees that if they wanted to keep their bonuses they would have to give Evergrande a short-term loan.

Some workers tapped their friends and family for money to lend to the company. Others borrowed from the bank. Then, this month, Evergrande suddenly stopped paying back the loans.

Now, hundreds of employees have joined panicked home buyers in demanding their money back from Evergrande, gathering outside the company’s offices across China to protest.

Meanwhile construction of Evergrande’s projects in many of the 280 cities has stopped.

Evergrande began paying bills to contractors and suppliers with unfinished apartments. One supplier exchanged $US34m that he was owed for three unfinished properties. The supplier is now trying to sell them. He has little chance.

Evergrande has asked local governments to take over homeowners’ funds held in escrow accounts so they can’t be seized in legal disputes with creditors.

Whether Evergrande is saved or the government introduces a selectively targeted rescue, the crisis will form part of this massive change in China where the great drivers of the 20-year boom - high tech companies, large enterprises to advance Chinese skills in education and finally the massive building boom - have been dismantled. The whole exercise has taken place in the 2021 calendar year.

Australia and the rest of the world will initially look at what is taking place in China in terms of export markets but very soon we will need to determine what impact this will have on our supply chains.

The world has become very dependent on Chinese component parts and finished goods. The China we have been dealing with has disappeared to be replaced with a very different nation.

Gottliebsen

"Is our Chinese children learning?" as Dubya would say?

The conventional wisdom is that two factors prevented the Japanese economy from getting out of the deep hole created by the bursting bubble in the 1990s.

The lost decade

First, the recession was accompanied by a financial crisis. After the markets collapsed, financial institutions faced serious downturns in profits in the wake of falling real estate prices kept as collateral, plummeting stock prices and increasing bad loans. The debacle of Yamaichi Securities, the Long-Term Credit Bank of Japan, and the Hokkaido Takushoku Bank was a symbol of how big the impact was; after first struggling to keep these firms afloat, the Japanese government finally let them go bankrupt. In addition, capital adequacy requirements were introduced by the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in the early 1990s to regulate excessive loans. The two phenomena made banks reluctant to lend money, caused them to forcibly withdraw money from borrowers, and undermined real businesses. Like today’s recession, a downward spiral combining the real economy and the financial market broke out, thus intensifying and prolonging the economic stagnation.

Second, the business sector was plagued by “three excesses”: excess equipment, excess employment, and excess debt. These excesses indicated that the Japanese business model had reached a dead end. Until the burst of the bubble, Japanese companies had emphasized expanding market share, diversifying their business, and maintaining employment rather than profitability. The inefficiencies in this business model were magnified and accelerated by the bubble economy in the late 1980s, which finally made adjustment inevitable. It then took more than 10 years for businesses to adjust their over-leveraged balance sheets. They were fighting against deflation at the same time, which lifted interest rates and increased businesses’ exposure to debt in real terms.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/japans-shrinking-economy/

frank

evergrande going down to the tune of 300 billion is chickenfeed.

thats about what scomo over spent last year.

thats a fraction of the 4 trillion bush and obama gave wall street.

thats a month of biden stimulus spending.

chinas economy may have sprained its ankle.

most of the west is a dual amputee

aquascoot wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 6:05pm:

frank evergrande going down to the tune of 300 billion is chickenfeed. thats about what scomo over spent last year. thats a fraction of the 4 trillion bush and obama gave wall street. thats a month of biden stimulus spending.

That's over and above the many trillions the Chinese regime's spent on the pandemic already.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 6:05pm:

frank evergrande going down to the tune of 300 billion is chickenfeed. thats about what scomo over spent last year. thats a fraction of the 4 trillion bush and obama gave wall street. thats a month of biden stimulus spending. chinas economy may have sprained its ankle. most of the west is a dual amputee

China is not open and transparent. It is a lying, cheating regime.

So what is actually happening is second-guessing liars and cheats.

But I'd say one single principle prevails in such situations - whatever they DO say, it's a hundred time worse. Or a hundredth as good.
At least.

The long and the short of it, aqua, is that you cannot and must not trust the CCP. If you do, you are a naïve, useful idiot in Lenin's formulation.

They are NOT like you, they do not think like you, act like you, aim like you. It's the first Bwianesque idiocy to think that all people everywhere are the same, want the same and have the same outlook and interest. That's the naïve idiocy being exploited. 
But you are not Bwianesque. So I am not sure where your critical faculties, otherwise nicely tuned, are gone when it come to China and the CCP.

PG Wodehouse (a delight I recommend without reservation) has a recurrent character, the Efficient Baxter. Very Efficient - and a complete pain in the arse.
That's how I think of the Chinese: 1.4 billion snooty, uppity, efficient pains in the arse.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:37pm:

athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:30pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:14pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese. And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think? Yep Like Melbournians, Martians or "Australians". Like Taiwanese as opposed to whatever the regime calls the rest.

They are Chinese - just not that kind of Chinese.... and they don't wish to be.

athos wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 12:30pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:14pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese. And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think? Yep Like Melbournians, Martians or "Australians". :D

Australia is not seeking to annex Tasmania..... but they are Tasmanians...  Anschluss with Nu Zulland...

Read - "The Way the West Was Run Down" ..... by Lib Erals and Labo Rparti -  A Tale of Two

S***ty Parties......

.
Is China really growing?
Then why this?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSeeSWGLP/

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:37pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:30pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:15pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:14pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 12:05pm: athos wrote on Sep 21st, 2021 at 11:51am: The problem is that you don't know what culture is. How can you know when you don't have it. Like the Taiwanese, who have retained and protected ancient Chinese culture, as opposed to China that progressively destroyed it over the last 70 years. "Taiwanese" are 97% Han Chinese. And yet they identify as Taiwanese... Why is that do you think? Yep Like Melbournians, Martians or "Australians". Like Taiwanese as opposed to whatever the regime calls the rest. They are Chinese - just not that kind of Chinese.... and they don't wish to be.

They are Anglo and that's why you want to free them from the Chinese.
;D

Taiwanese do not wish to be YOUR kind of Chinese... they are happy as they are.... your lot are the ones talking invasion and strikes against Australia etc.... nobody here is talking about attacking mainland China...

By what 'right' does China attempt to dictate to Australia what kind of submarines it will have?  Does Australia dictate such things to China?

NOBODY is doing anything to your precious party.... your precious party is threatening others at every opportunity.... or maybe they just don't understand their own language.

Sort of a Clayton's Nuking, so that's all right, eh?  When they say they will strike Japan and Australia and all - they don't really mean it, right?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 29^th, 2021 at 2:45pm:

Taiwanese do not wish to be YOUR kind of Chinese... they are happy as they are.... your lot are the ones talking invasion and strikes against Australia etc.... nobody here is talking about attacking mainland China... By what 'right' does China attempt to dictate to Australia what kind of submarines it will have?  Does Australia dictate such things to China? NOBODY is doing anything to your precious party.... your precious party is threatening others at every opportunity.... or maybe they just don't understand their own language. Sort of a Clayton's Nuking, so that's all right, eh?  When they say they will strike Japan and Australia and all - they don't really mean it, right?

The fact is that without the interference of Anglo-Saxon barbarians, the world would be a much happier place.
:)

athos wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 10:58am:

The fact is that without the interference of Anglo-Saxon barbarians, the world would be a much happier place. :)

What we see here is indeed the fault of the Anglo race.

Not so long ago your Chinese man was happy with his lot. He was in his element doing tailoring and laundry for his betters, and offering his wife and daughters to visiting Anglo merchants and sailors.

However, due to our misplaced kindness, he is now having ideas above his station, as evidenced by the rantings of Athos here. We should have stepped on these unnatural thoughts when they first became evident but our inherent kindness stayed our hand until now it is too late for a measured approach and it will unfortunately take a much harsher approach to remind the Chinese man of his natural place in the order of things.  :) 

Belgarion wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 11:30am:

athos wrote on Sep 30th, 2021 at 10:58am: The fact is that without the interference of Anglo-Saxon barbarians, the world would be a much happier place. :) What we see here is indeed the fault of the Anglo race. Not so long ago your Chinese man was happy with his lot. He was in his element doing tailoring and laundry for his betters, and offering his wife and daughters to visiting Anglo merchants and sailors. However, due to our misplaced kindness, he is now having ideas above his station, as evidenced by the rantings of Athos here. We should have stepped on these unnatural thoughts when they first became evident but our inherent kindness stayed our hand until now it is too late for a measured approach and it will unfortunately take a much harsher approach to remind the Chinese man of his natural place in the order of things.  :)

And what about this.
"When they go black they don't turn back".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0DfQWri5KI

;D

athos wrote on Sep 30^th, 2021 at 12:00pm:

And what about this. "When they go black they don't turn back". [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0DfQWri5KI

Sea, diss da fing to wok ow abow choo... If post dough'n puss transrater, yu dough'n unnerstang ah fing.

West is culturally inferior.

athos wrote on Oct 1^st, 2021 at 1:26pm:

West is culturally inferior.

Western society has equal rights for men and women and laws prohibited discrimination. Democratic values where we get to choose who is best to lead the country. Not having to live under an authoritarian regime year in and year out.

No. I think Western values are superior to those of the Chinese.

athos wrote on Oct 1^st, 2021 at 1:26pm:

West is culturally inferior.

So why did you learn English?
Why not Burmese or Swahili or Arabic?

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2021 at 3:35pm:

athos wrote on Oct 1st, 2021 at 1:26pm: West is culturally inferior. So why did you learn English? Why not Burmese or Swahili or Arabic?

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UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2021 at 3:06pm:

athos wrote on Oct 1st, 2021 at 1:26pm: West is culturally inferior. Western society has equal rights for men and women and laws prohibited discrimination. Democratic values where we get to choose who is best to lead the country. Not having to live under an authoritarian regime year in and year out. No. I think Western values are superior to those of the Chinese.

Chinese government orders:-

Women are equal - culturally they are anything but.  A woman who is not young and obedient, as in one wants a career and a shared career/family life, is left out in favour of sweet young stay at homes.  'Leftover women' who are professionals are commonplace.

Women share government - culturally only if they are family or party favourite and only as tokens who speak the party line only.

Illegitimate children will not be left out of mainstream healthcare and education - culturally they are.

Boy children are not to be preferred over girls - culturally a woman who had her one child girl is dumped for another, and they do it hard. Tifino how they expect to breed without girls.... travel to Laos and Cambo, as many do?

All citizens are equal - but some are more equal than others, even by ethnicity within China.

A very backward society in many ways and trapped in the myths of some glorious past and supreme culture.