Kabul could fall in weeks trashing 20 years of occupation and economic development of Afghanistan by the USA.

In the 1980s after the victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, there was an opportunity for the USA and its allies to do some good. However, they chose not to.

Afghanistan is a disgraceful failure of USA diplomacy, and in fact a failure of US military power.

Australia did absolutely nothing other than what it was ordered to do by Uncle Sam.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

In the 1980s after the victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, there was an opportunity for the USA and its allies to do some good..

1979.  Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal becomes prime minister.
1982.  Some 2.8 million Afghans have fled from the war to Pakistan, and another 1.5 million have fled to Iran. Afghan guerrillas gain control of rural areas, and Soviet troops hold urban areas.
1989.  Soviet-backed regime of communist president Dr. Mohammad Najibullah.
1995.  Newly formed Islamic militia, the Taliban, rises to power on promises of peace. The Taliban curtail the education and employment of women. Women are required to be fully veiled and are not allowed outside alone. Islamic law is enforced via public executions and amputations.  Laugh You Cry visits Afghanistan and executes Taliban orders before being recalled to Beijing.

Since WW2 the USA has believed in its military supremacy and has abandoned diplomacy in favor of dominance by international autocracy.

The USA was an ally of the Taliban in the 1970s and 1980s and the Taliban were welcomed as guests in the Reagan and George H Bush White Houses. The USA then switched to supporting a chaotic array of unprincipled drug-dealing warlords against the Taliban.

Then the USA invaded in 2001 without just cause and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years continually fighting the Taliban.

The USA missed political and diplomatic opportunities in the past and it has nothing to offer now except commiserations to those left behind in Afghanistan.

In 1375, George Washington met Taliban in Antarctic Melbourne. He and Reagan sold 4 aircraft carriers to Muhammed Taliban of South China Ireland.

chimera wrote on Aug 12^th, 2021 at 11:24am:

In 1375, George Washington met Taliban in Antarctic Melbourne. He and Reagan sold 4 aircraft carriers to Muhammed Taliban of South China Ireland.

Chimera Taliban met himself, congratulated himself, made love to himself, gave birth to himself and then flushed himself.

Taliban invented plumbing in 1021. US refused to do anything.

Takes it up the ass till he cries will never mention this.


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Taliban going door to door for girls as young as 12 to make them ‘sex slaves’ Taliban fighters are “going to door to door” to round up young girls to be “sex slaves” for fighters in the terror group, reports claim. An inside source suggests that Taliban leaders are attempting to kidnap and forcibly marry women after local leaders in Afghanistan were asked to present a list of those aged 12 to 45 last month. According to Bloomberg, the move signals the start of a terrifying rampage amid a return to a harsh sharia law. More here- https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/taliban-going-door-to-door-for-girls-as-young-as-12-to-make-them-sex-slaves/news-story/0b94550ec02e02de92f179cc7aabdbbf

Nothing wrong with muslims having sex with their slaves they're just following the example of the Islamic prophet and his sock pupper called Allah who allowed this.

Muhammad banned drinking alcohol he did not ban owning slaves or having sex with slaves against the wishes of your 4 wives.


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It was narrated from Anas that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,  but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' https://sunnah.com/nasai:3959

Wine, women and song to enjoy life.
"They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
— Qur'an 2:219.
"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer,  while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
— Qur'an 4:43.
O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
— Qur'an 5:90.

Booze and sex in moderation, it's difficult when you're drunk.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 12^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Takes it up the ass till he cries will never mention this. Quote: Taliban going door to door for girls as young as 12 to make them ‘sex slaves’ Taliban fighters are “going to door to door” to round up young girls to be “sex slaves” for fighters in the terror group, reports claim. An inside source suggests that Taliban leaders are attempting to kidnap and forcibly marry women after local leaders in Afghanistan were asked to present a list of those aged 12 to 45 last month. According to Bloomberg, the move signals the start of a terrifying rampage amid a return to a harsh sharia law. More here- https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/taliban-going-door-to-door-for-girls-as-young-as-12-to-make-them-sex-slaves/news-story/0b94550ec02e02de92f179cc7aabdbbf Nothing wrong with muslims having sex with their slaves they're just following the example of the Islamic prophet and his sock pupper called Allah who allowed this. Muhammad banned drinking alcohol he did not ban owning slaves or having sex with slaves against the wishes of your 4 wives. [quote] It was narrated from Anas that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,  but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' https://sunnah.com/nasai:3959

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This is the Islam that Brian, Little Pecca, John Smith, Arsie, Takes it up the ass till he cries and Mothra defend.

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A lot of white people living in Afghanistan and Iran in the 1960s and 1970s. The Europeans decolonise. The regions go back to barbarism.

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Then the USA invaded in 2001 without just cause

Osama declared war on the US, and struck first. What sort of moron told you there was no just cause?

You can see Laugh You Cry executing the anti-Chinese autocratic Anglos, laughing until he cries.

chimera wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 9:41am:

You can see Laugh You Cry executing the anti-Chinese autocratic Anglos, laughing until he cries.

Back to reality for a moment - OsamaCo sought to set up as the over-arching command structure for Jihad (Mid East Division/Afghanistan Local Chapter) - a laughable concept given the unwillingness of the Afghan to accept control/domination by anyone from outside.... and given the way 'foreign fighters' on Jihad are treated with utter contempt by the locals, their dead bodies left out for the dogs as opposed to the recovery of Afghans and their holy burial etc.

No command structure and Osama was frankly dreaming....

"Bin Laden was one of more than 50 children of Muhammad bin Laden who directed major construction projects for the Saudi royal family. By 1967 the bin Laden family had developed a close relationship with the Saudi royal family.  In 1990 the government denied Osama's requests for permission to use his network of fighters to defend Saudi Arabia against the threat of invasion posed by Saddam Hussein’s Iraq."

He almost led a Saudi Afghan empire but Allah said no.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 7:41am:

Quote: Then the USA invaded in 2001 without just cause Osama declared war on the US, and struck first. What sort of moron told you there was no just cause?

Was it not mostly Saudis who committed the purported 9/11 crimes?

If so, should the USA have attacked Saudi Arabia instead? Then bombed the bejesus out of UAE, Egypt, and Lebanon.


Purported terrorists were:

Saudi Arabia      
15
United Arab Emirates      
2
Egypt      
1
Lebanon      
1

Strong action should have been taken against Saudi.

Now the soldiers and civilians who died in Afghanistan have died for absolutely nothing.

Ten years time there will be another civil war.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 11:19am:

Strong action should have been taken against Saudi. Now the soldiers and civilians who died in Afghanistan have died for absolutely nothing. Ten years time there will be another civil war.

We will probably see that before the start of next year.

"Oh, they are just like us, they just want the best for their kids, only racists think that different cultures are .... er.... different cultures. It's Islamophobic to say that the Taliban is in any way different to your suburban mainstream vast majority Musulmans. They are COMPLETELY different."

That was the mantra for 20 years and look what's happening. They ARE different, they are ISLAMICALLY different and they do NOT want he same thing for their children. The Bwianesque idiocy of "no cultural difference is of any importance" is unfolding in its bloody reality before our eyes.  Primitive, blood-thirsty Islamists are just that. And Brian has been on their side all along.


PC multiculturalism rots the mind and we have many, many mind-fkkd zombies like that here.    Step forward, zombies.

The homos, feminists, socialists, Bwians, Anals, sadfccs, ravers, kats etc - all silent, happy.

Muslim monsters poke the Americans in the eye? The fifth column  couldn't  be happier.  Taliban uber alles.

Kabul has surrendered without a fight.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-taliban-us-troops-intl-08-15-21/index.html



Top US negotiator asks Taliban to remain outside Kabul until US personnel are out

From CNN's Kylie Atwood

The US Special Representative for Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad has requested that Taliban fighters not enter Kabul until the US citizens are evacuated, according to a source familiar with the discussions. 

The Taliban is currently in talks with "the opposing side" for a peaceful surrender of the capital and are telling their fighters to be on standby on the edges of the city as they seek a calm transfer of power, a Taliban spokesperson said on Sunday.

CNN reported earlier that representatives of the Taliban’s Qatar talks delegation are currently inside the presidential premises.

The US has sped up the evacuation of its embassy in Kabul and hopes to complete the process within the next 72 hours.

Nobody can take America and West seriously any more, at all. It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn.
Bidden? Johnson? Mutti, Von der Leyen, Guiterres??  A bunch of pouting, frowning  give-away surrender monkeys.

Frank wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 10:32pm:

Nobody can take America and West seriously any more, at all. It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn. Bidden? Johnson? Mutti, Von der Leyen, Guiterres??  A bunch of pouting, frowning  give-away surrender monkeys.

The Afghan people refused to fight for their own freedom -
they just surrendered the whole country
to vicious, rapists and murderers.
They will pay a very heavy price -
many will be rounded up and executed by the Taliban.
Girls won't be able to go to school.
They will have to wear Burkas.
They will return to the 7th century.

The West wasted over $1 trillion and 1000s
of our lives to achieve nothing.

Frank wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 10:32pm:

It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn.

Donald fought to the end, and hates losers. It was Pelosi who betrayed the men and women in uniform of MAGA. The Chinese media faked the whole story.  The victory was stolen by Venezuela.

chimera wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:20am:

Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2021 at 10:32pm: It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn. Donald fought to the end, and hates losers. It was Pelosi who betrayed the men and women in uniform of MAGA. The Chinese media faked the whole story.  The victory was stolen by Venezuela.

Haiku diarrhea?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 6:48am:

Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2021 at 10:32pm: Nobody can take America and West seriously any more, at all. It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn. Bidden? Johnson? Mutti, Von der Leyen, Guiterres??  A bunch of pouting, frowning  give-away surrender monkeys. The Afghan people refused to fight for their own freedom - they just surrendered the whole country to vicious, rapists and murderers. They will pay a very heavy price - many will be rounded up and executed by the Taliban. Girls won't be able to go to school. They will have to wear Burkas. They will return to the 7th century. The West wasted over $1 trillion and 1000s of our lives to achieve nothing.

Vietnam, 1975 all over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3uV_YXZAk

Startlingly familiar... remember what I posted a while back - "You have the clocks but we have the time" - anonymous Afghan.  Same thing - keep on fighting and throwing away principally young men's lives, though this time instant transportation to Heaven as martyrs, until the resolve of the 'weak' West fails and it withdraws.

What picture does this give to any big-time potential enemy?  The decadent West is weak and unwilling to spill the blood of its people for some filthy foreign land.

NEXT???

Haiku diarrhea?
Donald does get poetic when he's got the crowd with him. He's working on some Quran themes to bring surplus Taliban to his next coup.

chimera wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:35am:

Haiku diarrhea? Donald does get poetic when he's got the crowd with him. He's working on some Quran themes to bring surplus Taliban to his next coup.

Why not? He tried to fake post-puritanical prosperity evangelicalism.

It's a shame the US couldn't get a surrender document for Vietnam or Afghanistan like they did in WWII.  Taliban could have made one for US to sign to allow peaceful exit of troops.  But that's not the American way.

Rule Number One:-  LTYC is an optimist.... he said weeks.... correct - give or take a few weeks...

chimera wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:43am:

It's a shame the US couldn't get a surrender document for Vietnam or Afghanistan like they did in WWII.  Taliban could have made one for US to sign to allow peaceful exit of troops.

Why? The US never intended to conquer Afghanistan.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 6:48am:

Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2021 at 10:32pm: Nobody can take America and West seriously any more, at all. It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn. Bidden? Johnson? Mutti, Von der Leyen, Guiterres??  A bunch of pouting, frowning  give-away surrender monkeys. The Afghan people refused to fight for their own freedom - they just surrendered the whole country to vicious, rapists and murderers. They will pay a very heavy price - many will be rounded up and executed by the Taliban. Girls won't be able to go to school. They will have to wear Burkas. They will return to the 7th century. The West wasted over $1 trillion and 1000s of our lives to achieve nothing.

Yep that pretty well sums it up!

They made their bed now let them sleep in it!

Rather sad though that it ended up like this.

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 6:48am: Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2021 at 10:32pm: Nobody can take America and West seriously any more, at all. It's  wall to wall surrender monkeys who don't belive in themselves, let alone in the empty puffery rhetoric they proffer at every turn. Bidden? Johnson? Mutti, Von der Leyen, Guiterres??  A bunch of pouting, frowning  give-away surrender monkeys. The Afghan people refused to fight for their own freedom - they just surrendered the whole country to vicious, rapists and murderers. They will pay a very heavy price - many will be rounded up and executed by the Taliban. Girls won't be able to go to school. They will have to wear Burkas. They will return to the 7th century. The West wasted over $1 trillion and 1000s of our lives to achieve nothing. Yep that pretty well sums it up! They made their bed now let them sleep in it! Rather sad though that it ended up like this.

Australia got sucked into it by the Yanks.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:09am:

Australia got sucked into it by the Yanks.

Not at all.

I look at history…. When there were way less people in the world and way more land….. yet…. Still humans invade and take over what little settlement some had…. Like as if them invaders were too lazy to make their own settlements and are totally “have yours” types.
Like wtf…. Over and over again I see history of humans like this.

There are those that just cannot get on with, or let live, or even contribute to be part of… oh no… they have to burn, rape, kill and suppress instead.
And that’s historical parts….yet still happening in our so called modern world times of enlightenment. It’s never frickin ending!!

Are humans divided into two groups?
The ones that are industrious and put work into being in a settlement to make a community, and those that come in to drive everyone out and displace them….taking what isn’t theirs, taking what they didn’t work for?

Where and what is their protection?

So much for “the meek shall inherit the earth” saga eh  ::)

Well, it is always going to be like this.  I am sorry, but having a handful of military bases in a vast ioslated country with a few humvees and planes, with occasional patrols to near by larger towns, is by no means 'controlling' the country. 

The fact that the speed and the lack of blood shed that the Tailban took over from the retreating US troops, showed that in reality, the US and the Afghan government never really had the control of the country for the past 20 years. 

Sophia wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Are humans divided into two groups?

We are... Us and Them.

We're wired for it.

So all those Afghanis we spent years training for the Afghan army ran for their friggin lives eh?

What a useless mob of bastards, I hope they all end up being hanged.

Sophia wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

........ Are humans divided into two groups? The ones that are industrious and put work into being in a settlement to make a community, and those that come in to drive everyone out and displace them….taking what isn’t theirs, taking what they didn’t work for?

To ignore evil is to become an accomplice to it.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


"There are only two races in the world, the decent and the indecent."
Victor Frankl - Nazi Holocaust survivor


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
- Thomas Mann


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Sophia wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Where and what is their protection? So much for “the meek shall inherit the earth” saga eh  ::)

Essentially, in this 'place', we [human beings] are free to choose to act in any way we want, within the bounds of our own [real] powers.


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Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.


While we are free to choose our actions, we are not free to choose the consequences of our actions.
- Stephen Covey

Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it. 

Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan.

Gordon wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:17am:

Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.

More like they didn't know what it was.

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:11am:

So all those Afghanis we spent years training for the Afghan army ran for their friggin lives eh? What a useless mob of bastards, I hope they all end up being hanged.

The government was never going to work.  Ethnically, the Pushtans / taliban - made of 70% of the ethnicity of the country.  The exclusion of them is simply never going to work in Afghanistan.  Its like... in a fantasy world, a foreign army came to Australia, and established Sharia law with a mostly muslim parliament.  Its just never going to work. 

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:11am:

So all those Afghanis we spent years training for the Afghan army ran for their friggin lives eh? What a useless mob of bastards, I hope they all end up being hanged.

Maybe because they were trained in a modern conventional war requiring high-tech which, once the US was gone, was not available to them.

How much did the Afghan army do compared to the US?

Taliban fighters were fighting a long-term guerilla-style form of warfare of whom most had 20 years of fighting experience.

Gordon wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:17am:

Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan.

Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.   

You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen. 

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:25am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.

Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:33am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire.

As well as through very very long periods of time.   The rights will come to those in power first, and then the women, and then the minority, through years, if not centuries of change. 

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. As well as through very very long periods of time.   The rights will come to those in power first, and then the women, and then the minority, through years, if not centuries of change.

Yes... Over 1000 years for modern democracy.

From William I (the conqueror). to King John's Magna Carta, to the Protestant Reformation, to the English Civil War, to the abolition of the divine right of sovereigns, to the rise of sovereign Parliaments, to the Scottish Enlightenment, to the American Revolution, to constitutional monarchies, to the American Civil War, through two world wars, through the defeat of totalitarianism (in western Europe then largely through eastern Europe)...

To name some of those baptisms.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

Why? The US never intended to conquer Afghanistan.

" US  launched Operation Enduring Freedom on October 7, 2001, with the United Kingdom. The two were later joined by other forces, including the Northern Alliance troops on the ground. The US and its allies rapidly drove the Taliban from power by December 17, 2001."

The Japanese emperor stayed in authority after 1945 but he was conquered and surrendered. The US and UK owned Afghanistan.

Gordon wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:17am:

Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan.

Oh, but they are just like us, they want the same as us for their children, to live in peace, to give their sons and especially daughters a nice future, education, hope, prosperity, goats and to practice their most feminist religion in peace. You are just persecuting them because they worship differently, you white supremacist patriarchal Islamophobe. Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:33am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire.

And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries.
What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr75blwvIHo&t=292s

:)

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries. What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan.

People are not created equal... Children work that out before they're 10.

Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally opposed to secular democracy by definition.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 9:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:39am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. As well as through very very long periods of time.   The rights will come to those in power first, and then the women, and then the minority, through years, if not centuries of change.  Yes... Over 1000 years for modern democracy. From William I (the conqueror). to King John's Magna Carta, to the Protestant Reformation, to the English Civil War, to the abolition of the divine right of sovereigns, to the rise of sovereign Parliaments, to the Scottish Enlightenment, to the American Revolution, to constitutional monarchies, to the American Civil War, through two world wars, through the defeat of totalitarianism (in western Europe then largely through eastern Europe)... To name some of those baptisms.

You've been reading my treatise on The Divine Right of Elected Government - as the next step in upward mobility for social and civil rights equally for all.

And NO - government of any kind does not have any Divine Right to do as it wills... and of course, the vast inroads made into freedom under the banner of feminist freedom will take a long time t heal and then turn back onto the upward path for all... oh, how governments flocked to that banner, seeing so clearly that it was the most favourable avenue to dominate and control society by bashing men into the ground first.

Pissy little people/men are always like that.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:00am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries. What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan. People are not created equal... Children work that out before they're 10. Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally opposed to secular democracy by definition.

And so it is no accident that democracy really exists only in protestant countries, Britain  and its settler countries and north west Europe. Totally not accidentally, these are the only countries that never had totalitarian communist or fascist regimes.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 8:09am:

Australia got sucked into it by the Yanks.

Australia has to build up good reliability in the military scene if we are to see future help from our allies in any conflict we face.

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:23am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:05am: Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:00am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries. What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan. People are not created equal... Children work that out before they're 10. Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally opposed to secular democracy by definition. And so it is no accident that democracy really exists only in protestant countries, Britain  and its settler countries and north west Europe. Totally not accidentally, these are the only countries that never had totalitarian communist or fascist regimes.

Depends on who you ask, I guess. There was Oliver Cromwell, an authoritarian and dictator...

Although he did use his brand of puritanical Christianity to justify his rule of Britain and Ireland. Hitler pulled a similar trick on Pius XII regarding his dictatorship of Germany (being a mash of northern Protestantism and southern Catholicism) and Jewish persecution.

Trotsky viewed Cromwell as a class revolutionary.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:23am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:05am: Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:00am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries. What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan. People are not created equal... Children work that out before they're 10. Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally opposed to secular democracy by definition. And so it is no accident that democracy really exists only in protestant countries, Britain  and its settler countries and north west Europe. Totally not accidentally, these are the only countries that never had totalitarian communist or fascist regimes. Depends on who you ask, I guess. There was Oliver Cromwell, an authoritarian and dictator... Although he did use his brand of puritanical Christianity to justify his rule of Britain and Ireland. Hitler pulled a similar trick on Pius XII regarding his dictatorship of Germany (being a mash of northern Protestantism and southern Catholicism) and Jewish persecution. Trotsky viewed Cromwell as a class revolutionary.

Yeah, you could ask anyone completely irrelevant and they would give you completely irelevant answers, like what Leon thought of Oliver.  Or you could ask any other dictator in the various People's Democratic Republics about any number of other 17th or 18th century figures. Or you could ask a 10 year old child.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 2:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 8:09am: Australia got sucked into it by the Yanks. Australia has to build up good reliability in the military scene if we are to see future help from our allies in any conflict we face.

I hope so.

Hitler's concentration camps were influenced by British camps for Boers in S Africa, where US slavery inspired apartheit of Dutch democracy like racist rule in Indonesia. Or British massacre at Amritsar of a democracy meeting. And no democracy for Hong Kong please, we're British.

James Cook 1770: Please Sir, may I have more water?
Jagamuury  : Wara wai!
James : Water, boy, now.
Jagamuury : Gedpharg.
James: click, flash, boom.

The reason to go in was sound - to kill Bin Laden and Al Qaida.

Staying on for nation building was a naive mistake, although well-intentioned.

Staying on for 20 years when the futility of nation building became obvious was an unforgivable blunder by the top brass of the US. At that point limited Australian - and other non-American -  involvement was maintained for US alliance cultivation purposes, not for the sake of Afghans.

Now the Afghans can have another bloody and brutal jihad against each other, thee Taliban supported by Pakistan and the America and West left with its diplomatic, military, cultural, moral credibility in the toilet. If America cannot impose its will on a load of goatherds in sandals then it has no chance with the Chinese commies in Taiwan.

The Sea of "Western and American power and credibility
"Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
But now I only hear
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating"
 

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 2:40pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 2:33pm: Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:23am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:05am: Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 11:00am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:33am: tickleandrose wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:25am: Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2021 at 9:17am: Democracy and modernity was handed to them with a cherry on top but they didn't want it.  Afghanistan is Taliban and Taliban is Afghanistan. Gordon, aside, from select regions, and the capital, there was never any democracy or modernity for the general population of Afghanistan.    You cant give democracy via a handful of military bases, guns and humvees.  It just wont happen.  Those living in established democracies forget that democracy was not given by the gods; it evolved from internal socio-political baptisms of fire. And very importantly, secular democracy has no presence in Islam. People are not created equal by Allah. Ideas matter and the idea of secular democracy is alien, even hostile, to the ideas of Islam. It is always an imposed facade, corrupted and deformed where it is adopted by Muslim countries. What did the Afghans do after the Russians left? They had themselves a vicious civil war with the Taliban victorious. Thank you, Pakistan. People are not created equal... Children work that out before they're 10. Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally opposed to secular democracy by definition. And so it is no accident that democracy really exists only in protestant countries, Britain  and its settler countries and north west Europe. Totally not accidentally, these are the only countries that never had totalitarian communist or fascist regimes. Depends on who you ask, I guess. There was Oliver Cromwell, an authoritarian and dictator... Although he did use his brand of puritanical Christianity to justify his rule of Britain and Ireland. Hitler pulled a similar trick on Pius XII regarding his dictatorship of Germany (being a mash of northern Protestantism and southern Catholicism) and Jewish persecution. Trotsky viewed Cromwell as a class revolutionary. Yeah, you could ask anyone completely irrelevant and they would give you completely irelevant answers, like what Leon thought of Oliver.  Or you could ask any other dictator in the various People's Democratic Republics about any number of other 17th or 18th century figures. Or you could ask a 10 year old child.

Agatha's back in the freezer, then...

The Axis of Arse'oles

As Taliban prepare to yet again, a quarter of a century later, take over Afghanistan, an olive branch is extended to China. China is a “friend,” says Taliban spokesman in Qatar, Suhail Shaheen, and Taliban are keen to discuss their participation in the Belt and Road initiative “as soon as possible”: “We have been to China many times, and we have good relations with them. China is a friendly country, and we welcome it for reconstruction and developing Afghanistan.”

The Taliban has assured Beijing it won’t tolerate Uighur separatists. The Taliban has strong ties with China’s close friend Pakistan.  But the Uighur jihadis are like the Taliban jihadis.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/why-chinas-relationship-with-the-taliban-poses-an-enormous-risk/news-story/f1ff3ff42b65939c3dbe5d0f5d3f7ff5

'HEARTS AND ROSES' WAS PLAYING ON THE ABC NATIONAL RADIO TODAY......



2021-Aug-16  Mon....

Just been listening today, to interviews on the ABC radio, with some Afghani's, some now in Australia, and some still in Afghanistan.

They were speaking of their fears for their family members still in Afghanistan, and what the Taliban may do to their family members, now that the Taliban had authority in government there.

Understandable fears.

And, in case you did not know, the Taliban, in Afghanistan, follow Sunni ISLAM.


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And yet....

In all of those interviews, none of those persons being interviewed, were identified as coming from the Shia ISLAM community.

Why was that ???

Perhaps it was assumed [by the ABC program producer], that the ABC radio listeners were already aware of this fact ?

Shia moslems are about 10% of the Afghanistan population.


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And also, at no time during this radio broadcast was an important contrast made plain,
about what these particular Shia moslems would be doing to members of the Sunni ISLAM community in Afghanistan,
....if the circumstances in Afghanistan had been 180 degrees reversed.  !!

i.e.
If instead, the Afghanistan population were in fact, made up of 90% Shia
[and if it was the Taliban who were the minority Sunnis] !!

e.g.
IN 'CONTRAST'...... in Shia majority Iran,
minorities who do not obey the mullahs and who do not comply with the [ISLAMIC] laws of Shia ISLAM,
can find themselves interred within Iranian prisons,
and being tortured, raped and murdered   ...sorry, executed.

100% TRUE.



QUESTION;
So, should we Australians, all have so much sympathy, for one murderous group of moslems, who are being persecuted by another murderous group of moslems [because the 1st group are a minority - in situ. ] ?

Yadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

QUESTION; So, should we Australians, all have so much sympathy, for one murderous group of moslems, who are being persecuted by another murderous group of moslems [because the 1st group are a minority - in situ. ] ?

No, not at all.


I am not for the massacre and enslavement of women and girls, no matter what their religion. It is shame on the Afghan men who did not join the effort to make something of their country and folded faster than a cheap card table in the face of STRICT Islamic jihadis.

I have enormous sympathy for the small minority of Afghan men and women who, out of conviction not opportunism, helped the Americans, Australians and the rest of the West, trying to make something of the help they were given in order to make something better out of their own country. They are a small, very small minority, true, but they made sacrifices along with their Western helpers, to get Afghanistan up as a functioning, humane place. They failed, the West failed because the numbers were against them all along - but I still  sympathise with their heroism and efforts. They overestimated their own countrymen and the West. I think the Australian government and the bureaucracy let them down really badly.

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

The reason to go in was sound - to kill Bin Laden and Al Qaida.

That is kind of weird to kill off an employee and destroy the United States own terrorist network.


Quote:

Staying on for nation building was a naive mistake, although well-intentioned.

By the look of things, the Afghanis just do not want to be anything other than miserable.


Quote:

Staying on for 20 years when the futility of nation building became obvious was an unforgivable blunder by the top brass of the US. At that point limited Australian - and other non-American -  involvement was maintained for US alliance cultivation purposes, not for the sake of Afghans. Now the Afghans can have another bloody and brutal jihad against each other, thee Taliban supported by Pakistan and the America and West left with its diplomatic, military, cultural, moral credibility in the toilet. If America cannot impose its will on a load of goatherds in sandals then it has no chance with the Chinese commies in Taiwan.

Best quote so far. The Americans cannot take on China.

Kabul Could Fall To The Taliban Within 90 Days, U.S. Intelligence Warns
Siladitya Ray
Updated Aug 12, 2021, 04:12am EDT


More like U.S. unintelligence.

Hillary's management of the Libyan Embassy was a disgrace. The Dementia Kid's management of Afghanistan is insane AND a disgrace.



The utter enervation and spineless self-evisceration of American and Western civilisational confidence is happening before our very eyes. Historic.



US embassy in Kabul  on twatter on 2 june 2021:


The month of June is recognized as (LGBTI) Pride Month. The United States respects the dignity & equality of LGBTI people & celebrates their contributions to the society. We remain committed to supporting civil rights of minorities, including LGBTI persons. #Pride2021 #PrideMonth

I do hope they've managed to evacuate the embassy's LGBTQWERTY flag before the sacking commences.


Prioriries, priorities.





The Taliban now controls more of Afghanistan than it did before the US invaded in 2001.

America is now "harmless as an enemy, and treacherous as a friend".

Did the United States land their helicopter at their embassy to evacuate their staff, yet? Because that is what the president said that they would not do.

Apparently Kabul has fallen today - the President has fled - despite promises by the 'Taliban' that they would not actually invade the city, but would hold outside pending settlement.

Now, Poppets - that shows clearly how much faith you can place in 'Taliban' promises.  They promised a government of power sharing if the 'Allies' left - then instantly turned against that promise and launched a massive offensive.  then they said but yesterday that they would not enter the city, but would hold outside etc, and that nobody would be killed etc.

Now reports are of killings.... and anyone with any sense is struggling to get on a chopper or a plane out..

Tune the soundtrack, Igor.......

Well, the last plane out of Kabul is almost gone,
And in eleven flying hours,
They'll be landing far from home,
And there ain't nothing like the moxie,
Of a Dutton playing foxy,
To hump some Afghan asshole for months long...
You know, the last plane out of Kabul is almost go-one...
The last plane out of Kabul is almost gone
And it's really got 'em worried,
They're going nowhere in a hurry,
The last plane out of Kabul is almost gone.

I just read the headlines in the New York Times because I am not going to pay to lied to: After not opposing the invasion, the NYT is now suggesting that the fall of Kabul is Joe Biden's fault. The pull-out has been on the US agenda for years. Long before Biden won the election.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

I just read the headlines in the New York Times because I am not going to pay to lied to: After not opposing the invasion, the NYT is now suggesting that the fall of Kabul is Joe Biden's fault. The pull-out has been on the US agenda for years. Long before Biden won the election.

Gives an insight to what kennedy, Johnson and Nixon feared during the Vietnam war and what Gerald Ford had to do in 1975.

Brave enough to climb aboard the wing of a plane. But not brave enough to fight against the Taliban. Could it be that the Afghanis have a problem killing other Islamists?

The fall of Kabul lies at the feet of the Military leadership. They were the one's saying that the Afghani military could hold out. That applies equally to the USA, Australia and others.

"Since early 2002, the war in Afghanistan never had a chance of succeeding. After President Bush’s initial objectives of disrupting al-Qaida and punishing the Taliban were accomplished by March 2002, the mission was changed to a nation-building operation that included objectives that were outright militarily unattainable. Presidents Obama and Trump continued the nation-building focus, guaranteeing the war would never be “won” and thus never end.

The illusion of success could be maintained so long as US and Nato military remained engaged. Now that the military cover is being withdrawn, the ugly and bloody truth is emerging: 20 years’ worth of senior leaders claiming progress, success, and “on the right azimuth” were always fiction.

The ANDSF have proven utterly incapable of defeating the Taliban offensive. On paper, this shouldn’t even be possible. Consider that the personnel for both the Taliban and the ANDSF are largely drawn from the same Afghan talent pool.

The side being routed right now has an army, on paper, of 300,000 men, been given training by the most powerful military alliance on earth, received hundreds of billions in support, has at least a rudimentary air force, an armored fleet and the backing of its government.

The Taliban, in contrast, has approximately 75,000 men, no formal backing from any state, no trained army, no air force, no technology, and only what vehicles and weapons they can scrounge on the open market – yet they are dominating their more numerous, better equipped and better-funded opponents. The reasons the ANDSF has thus far failed, however, are not hard to identify.

For the better part of at least the past 15 years, senior US civilian and uniformed leaders have been publicly telling the American people that the war in Afghanistan was necessary for US security, making progress, and supporting an Afghan security force that was performing well. All of it, from the beginning, was a lie.

In 2010 I wrote an article titled War on the Brink of Failure in the Armed Forces Journal that plainly stated, that “absent a major change in the status quo that currently dominates in Afghanistan, the US-led military effort there will fail … and despite our best effort to spin it otherwise, we will lose the war in Afghanistan.”

Two years later, while still an active-duty army officer and after my second combat deployment to Afghanistan, I wrote a detailed report which revealed that things had gotten much worse. Senior ranking US military leaders, I revealed, had intentionally deceived the American public.

“Despite overwhelming physical evidence of our failure to succeed on the military front,” I wrote, “senior US and [Nato] leaders inexplicably continue a steady stream of press releases and public statements that imply the exact opposite.” Without a change in strategy, I concluded, “the likelihood of the United States Armed Forces suffering an eventual defeat in Afghanistan is very high.”

The Pentagon’s response to my argument that we were losing the war? Lt Gen Curtis Scaparrotti, commander of US troops in Afghanistan at the time, dismissed my views as “one person’s opinion,” and said he was confident in the military’s optimistic appraisal. “These [Afghan] soldiers will fight,” the general confidently said, “There is no question about that. They are going to be good enough as we build them to secure their country and to counter the insurgency.” Scaparrotti was far from the only one to deceive the American people, however."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/14/afghanistan-taliban-us-troops

Australian General's have also said similar about the Afghan National Defense Security Forces (ANDSF).

I always thought it was odd teaching Afghans how to fire a bullet. Australians do football, Afghans do guns.  The problem was not the soldiers, it was the politicians who failed everything, down to sending bullets to the camps.

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2021 at 10:27pm:

Kabul Could Fall To The Taliban Within 90 Days, U.S. Intelligence Warns Siladitya Ray Updated Aug 12, 2021, 04:12am EDT ...... ...... US embassy in Kabul  on twatter on 2 june 2021: The month of June is recognized as (LGBTI) Pride Month. The United States respects the dignity & equality of LGBTI people & celebrates their contributions to the society. We remain committed to supporting civil rights of minorities, including LGBTI persons. #Pride2021 #PrideMonth

Matt Walsh: There Are No More Rainbow Flags In Afghanistan
https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-776-there-are-no-more-rainbow-flags-in-afghanistan-2





Quote:

.....The utter enervation and spineless self-evisceration of American and Western civilisational confidence is happening before our very eyes. Historic.

Without fail, it is moral degeneracy, which kills empires.

Historic.


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Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.


"Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Statesman


To ignore evil is to become an accomplice to it.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


"There are only two races in the world, the decent and the indecent."
Victor Frankl - Nazi Holocaust survivor


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
- Thomas Mann

Islam - aint'cha sick of it?

I know I am.

Save the translators,  women and children  - and NO  family reunion. Keep out the rest of the fccrs. The fighting aged men are fleeing, can't be bothered to be there for their  own country and people.

Do not let them in, keep them out of the West. They are cowardly, useless. Let Pakistan take care of them.

Frank wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:02pm:

Save the translators,  women and children  - and NO  family reunion. Keep out the rest of the fccrs. The fighting aged men are fleeing, can't be bothered to be there for their  own country and people. Do not let them in, keep them out of the West. They are cowardly, useless. Let Pakistan take care of them.

100% agree with your assessment/opinion frank.


But that, is not what we will see.

The WOKE crowd are already falling all over each other, to be the first to encourage a new wave of refugees,
welcoming them to the west, followers of ISLAM, from a hotbed of militant ISLAMISTS.


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WWW search....
US to bring in 30,000 Afghans as Taliban frees Islamic State and al Qaeda jihadis


WWW search....
CNN on the Taliban: “They’re chanting ‘Death to America,’ but they seem friendly at the same time”


WWW search....
Taliban Commander Vows Jihad Against the Whole World

Now is the time to carpet bomb 'em - while they're all in one place.... cunning, yes?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 12^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

Kabul could fall in weeks trashing 20 years of occupation and economic development of Afghanistan by the USA. In the 1980s after the victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, there was an opportunity for the USA and its allies to do some good. However, they chose not to. Afghanistan is a disgraceful failure of USA diplomacy, and in fact a failure of US military power.

A great success for Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics though.

War isn't about diplomacy - it's about profit, and those companies profited quite nicely over the last 20 years.

Biden/Harris, in crafting the most incompetent, counter-productive, irresponsible, outright destructive withdrawal anyone could imagine – the Taliban could not have choreographed a more favourable sequence of mistakes by the US in its wildest dreams – threaten not only US credibility but the image of basic US competence.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 10:13am:

Biden/Harris, in crafting the most incompetent, counter-productive, irresponsible, outright destructive withdrawal anyone could imagine – the Taliban could not have choreographed a more favourable sequence of mistakes by the US in its wildest dreams – threaten not only US credibility but the image of basic US competence.

They merely followed the plan put in place by the alleged child rapist who was annihilated at the last election.

G
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 10:15am:

Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:13am: Biden/Harris, in crafting the most incompetent, counter-productive, irresponsible, outright destructive withdrawal anyone could imagine – the Taliban could not have choreographed a more favourable sequence of mistakes by the US in its wildest dreams – threaten not only US credibility but the image of basic US competence. They merely followed the plan put in place by the alleged child rapist who was annihilated at the last election.

BS and you know it.  Why didn't  they follow all the other Trump policies?? 
You are one of those court eunuchs who will conceal the demented emperor's nakedness at all cost.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 10:42am:

G greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:15am: Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:13am: Biden/Harris, in crafting the most incompetent, counter-productive, irresponsible, outright destructive withdrawal anyone could imagine – the Taliban could not have choreographed a more favourable sequence of mistakes by the US in its wildest dreams – threaten not only US credibility but the image of basic US competence. They merely followed the plan put in place by the alleged child rapist who was annihilated at the last election. BS and you know it.

It's not bullshit at all - it's exactly what happened.

They implemented the alleged child rapist's plan.

DB
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:42am: G greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:15am: Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 10:13am: Biden/Harris, in crafting the most incompetent, counter-productive, irresponsible, outright destructive withdrawal anyone could imagine – the Taliban could not have choreographed a more favourable sequence of mistakes by the US in its wildest dreams – threaten not only US credibility but the image of basic US competence. They merely followed the plan put in place by the alleged child rapist who was annihilated at the last election. BS and you know it.   It's not bullshit at all - it's exactly what happened. They implemented the alleged child rapist's plan.

Complete, laughable turdy crap.  The Dementia Kid reversed dozens of Trump policies within day.

It's  not about the withdrawal, it's  about the logistics of the way it was done - and that is entirely a Bidden f-up. That is why he is the bewildered face of US incompetence and failure.

The top brass and the 'intelligence community' are also hugely responsible, they have been feeding BS to every prez and the West since Slick Willy had special cigars in the Oval Orrifice.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:33am:

It's  not about the withdrawal, it's  about the logistics of the way it was done - and that is entirely a Bidden f-up.

He implemented Trump's plan.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:33am: It's  not about the withdrawal, it's  about the logistics of the way it was done - and that is entirely a Bidden f-up. He implemented Trump's plan.

Disastrously, incompetently, like the demented, bewildered doddery old fool he is.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:37am: Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2021 at 11:33am: It's  not about the withdrawal, it's  about the logistics of the way it was done - and that is entirely a Bidden f-up. He implemented Trump's plan. Disastrously, incompetently, like the demented, bewildered doddery old fool he is.

As I've explained to you - Biden was just implementing the disastrously, incompetent plan that was set in place by the demented, bewildered doddery old fool/alleged child rapist.

You know the deal, man, the Dementia Kid is a clown, he understands nothing, is in charge of nothing. 


https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1428100689692090371?s=20

Afghans falling from the sky??

That was 4 days ago, 5 days ago. (Ie on the edge of barely rememered distant fog for him)







Just in



Joe Biden’s State Department moved to cancel a critical State Department program aimed at providing swift and safe evacuations of Americans out of crisis zones just months prior to the fall of Kabul, The National Pulse can exclusively reveal.
The “Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau” – which was designed to handle medical, diplomatic, and logistical support concerning Americans overseas was paused by Antony Blinken’s State Department earlier this year. Notification was officially signed just months before the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan.

https://thenationalpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2021-08-18-at-3.03.48-PM-1160x726.png

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:34pm:

Now is the time to carpet bomb 'em - while they're all in one place.... cunning, yes?

Oh yeah I was thinking that too… whilst they were in that government place all together with their guns… or using the gym  ;D

Good opportunity missed eh? But no…. Got to keep the evil ones alive for excitement and action….

But hey! This guy summed it up with figure$
… who knew all this?  :o
You know… I mean… USA is not the only one with blood on their hands.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJWTVN6c/

Sophia wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 10:22pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 17th, 2021 at 10:34pm: Now is the time to carpet bomb 'em - while they're all in one place.... cunning, yes? Oh yeah I was thinking that too… whilst they were in that government place all together with their guns… or using the gym  ;D Good opportunity missed eh? But no…. Got to keep the evil ones alive for excitement and action…. But hey! This guy summed it up with figure$ … who knew all this?  :o You know… I mean… USA is not the only one with blood on their hands. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJWTVN6c/

Our 'leadership' are not known for their ability to see a fine opportunity. Or, as you say, maybe they are well aware of the best opportunity for themselves.

Biden clearly shows why the Emerging World regards the West, which created their current prosperity, with utter contempt.

A blundering, vague, sycophantic, incompetent, placating everyone, definitely senile clown is now the President of the allegedly greatest country that represents the West.

THAT, Poppets - is the end result of catering to whining minorities..... including on the international scale... the ROTW must be laughing their heads off.



https://c.tenor.com/d35fnA_3RxgAAAAM/anthony-fauci-facepalm.gif

As to the impending influx of Afghan "translators" into Europe, Australia, America - they've already brought 50,000 "interpreters" into the United States - which is one translator for every two soldiers. So it's just another sleazy racket, like everything else.

https://www.steynonline.com/11614/the-politics-of-fiasco


The “interpreter” scam is one of the longest running immigration hoaxes on record. Before the withdrawal, there were some 2,500 American soldiers in Afghanistan. After the withdrawal, there are around 600 soldiers left behind.

And there are 20,000 Afghan “interpreters” applying for SIVs or Special Immigrant Visas.  How can there be 20,000 interpreters for 2,500 soldiers?

It’s not as if we haven’t been handing out SIV visas like candy already.  70,000 Iraqis and Afghans came here on the so-called translator/interpreter visas from 2007 to 2017. And 48,601 of those SIVs went to Afghans. At its peak, under Obama, there were 100,000 American soldiers in Afghanistan. That’s an “interpreter” to every 2 soldiers.

By March 2021, 100,000 Afghans and Iraqis had been approved for SIVs.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/07/saving-afghan-interpreters-scam-would-bring-100000-daniel-greenfield/


Twenty thousand more applications in the pipeline, just for America.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210716-white-house-says-20-000-afghan-interpreters-asking-for-us-asylum

US troops rose from about 10,000 to 100,000 during 10 years then back to about 10,000, very roughly.  If average say 50,000 for 20 years, that's crudely 1,000,000 man-years.  An interpreter could serve for 1 year under the stress of being identified and shot at night. Then the high number of interpreters may fit.

100 Afghanistan evacuees arrived here in Perth last night/early this morning.

New game for kiddies

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That's the thing about traitors.

You can't trust them.

These "interpreters" are traitors to their own, so what makes anyone think they will be loyal Australian citizens?

Send them back, we don't want them here.

China Plays Positive Role in Peace and Consolidation in Afghanistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q7yIHRp64A

Valkie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

These "interpreters" are traitors to their own, so what makes anyone think they will be loyal Australian citizens? .

The Afghan government was set in place by US and Oz trained its National Army. The West saw the interpreters as loyal to the Kabul government.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 11:52am:

100 Afghanistan evacuees arrived here in Perth last night/early this morning.

Good.  Show some humanity.

Bertie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:33am:

As to the impending influx of Afghan "translators" into Europe, Australia, America - they've already brought 50,000 "interpreters" into the United States - which is one translator for every two soldiers. So it's just another sleazy racket, like everything else. https://www.steynonline.com/11614/the-politics-of-fiasco The “interpreter” scam is one of the longest running immigration hoaxes on record. Before the withdrawal, there were some 2,500 American soldiers in Afghanistan. After the withdrawal, there are around 600 soldiers left behind. And there are 20,000 Afghan “interpreters” applying for SIVs or Special Immigrant Visas.  How can there be 20,000 interpreters for 2,500 soldiers? It’s not as if we haven’t been handing out SIV visas like candy already.  70,000 Iraqis and Afghans came here on the so-called translator/interpreter visas from 2007 to 2017. And 48,601 of those SIVs went to Afghans. At its peak, under Obama, there were 100,000 American soldiers in Afghanistan. That’s an “interpreter” to every 2 soldiers. By March 2021, 100,000 Afghans and Iraqis had been approved for SIVs. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/07/saving-afghan-interpreters-scam-would-bring-100000-daniel-greenfield/ Twenty thousand more applications in the pipeline, just for America. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210716-white-house-says-20-000-afghan-interpreters-asking-for-us-asylum

The Iraqi family I met was excellent.  Very nice and civilised people building a home - we were giving away some unused building materials, and they insisted on giving us fruit in exchange... home grown, too.

Lovely people.  Near neighbours now since our LAST house move!!  Far from the madding crowds, and only leaving in a box or on a last plane out of Sydney... to tour the world and its women....

Let Muslim cuntries take in all the Afghan 'refugees'.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 20th, 2021 at 11:52am: 100 Afghanistan evacuees arrived here in Perth last night/early this morning. Good.  Show some humanity.

Indeed.

First evacuation flight lands in Perth. Half the evacuees landed in the Gulf of Oman.

"the Taliban vowed on Tuesday (local time) to honour women’s rights within the norms of Islamic law."

Couldn't have twisted words better myself.  You really have to laugh at the breathtaking hypocrisy.

The bullets fired at airline customers are to stamp their visas. Did you enjoy your visit, come back soon.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:22am:

"the Taliban vowed on Tuesday (local time) to honour women’s rights within the norms of Islamic law." Couldn't have twisted words better myself.  You really have to laugh at the breathtaking hypocrisy.

They kept their promise.

All is well, the troops are being allowed out without planes being shot out of the sky, the coward Afghans get the leadership they deserve, their women are back inside, no confirmed reports or footage of beheadings murder rape pillage etc, now just leave them to their own devices.

I would like to know how much airport tax old Joe is paying though.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 3:18pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 21st, 2021 at 7:22am: "the Taliban vowed on Tuesday (local time) to honour women’s rights within the norms of Islamic law." Couldn't have twisted words better myself.  You really have to laugh at the breathtaking hypocrisy. They kept their promise.

That they did..... and will continue to do forever.... bad thoughts installed by education will be removed by bullet.... no time wasted on re-education camps and self criticism sessions... cut straight to the chase.... order will be restored!!

Johnnie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 6:05pm:

All is well, the troops are being allowed out without planes being shot out of the sky, the coward Afghans get the leadership they deserve, their women are back inside, no confirmed reports or footage of beheadings murder rape pillage etc, now just leave them to their own devices. I would like to know how much airport tax old Joe is paying though.

Jeez - give it a few days to settle in...... let everyone out there relax and then business as usual.... once it's a closed shop, it will take time for the reports to get out, and by that time nobody will be interested, let alone Old White Joe who will likely have forgotten the whole thing, and will certainly not send in the clowns again...


In today's episode of Yes, Mr President:-

"Now then, Joint Chiefs, this resurgence of absolute violence in Afghanistan... given our promises, what are we able to do now?"

"Well, Mr President - not much.  All our ready troops are committed to other projects, and with the wind-down, we've let our numbers fall."

"Can't we do something?"

"I'm afraid it would take time to assemble a force and the support needed, Mr President... couldn't be done in under about three months...and only then very marginally."

"What about diplomatic measures?  Some restrictions on trade or something?

"No can do, Mr President - the Afghans have nothing to trade and they get by on the smell of a burnt date palm... if we applied sanctions there's nothing they want and nothing we can pressure them over."

"What?  No Oil we can sanction?"

"No, Mr President - no oil."

"But aren't they one of those - you know - oil rich countries?"

"No, Mr President - not a drop."

"Then why did we invade them at all, I wonder?"

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 11:48pm:

Johnnie wrote on Aug 21st, 2021 at 6:05pm: All is well, the troops are being allowed out without planes being shot out of the sky, the coward Afghans get the leadership they deserve, their women are back inside, no confirmed reports or footage of beheadings murder rape pillage etc, now just leave them to their own devices. I would like to know how much airport tax old Joe is paying though. Jeez - give it a few days to settle in...... let everyone out there relax and then business as usual.... once it's a closed shop, it will take time for the reports to get out, and by that time nobody will be interested, let alone Old White Joe who will likely have forgotten the whole thing, and will certainly not send in the clowns again... In today's episode of Yes, Mr President:- "Now then, Joint Chiefs, this resurgence of absolute violence in Afghanistan... given our promises, what are we able to do now?" "Well, Mr President - not much.  All our ready troops are committed to other projects, and with the wind-down, we've let our numbers fall." "Can't we do something?" "I'm afraid it would take time to assemble a force and the support needed, Mr President... couldn't be done in under about three months...and only then very marginally." "What about diplomatic measures?  Some restrictions on trade or something? "No can do, Mr President - the Afghans have nothing to trade and they get by on the smell of a burnt date palm... if we applied sanctions there's nothing they want and nothing we can pressure them over." "What?  No Oil we can sanction?" "No, Mr President - no oil." "But aren't they one of those - you know - oil rich countries?" "No, Mr President - not a drop." "Then why did we invade them at all, I wonder?"

They have oil, they also have an estimated trillion dollars of untapped natural resources, Xi can smell it and his belt and road initiative is on the table to help with the extraction.
Poppy and marijuana plants will again be in full production but their #1 export will be terrorism overtaking Iran currently sitting on top of the ladder.

These Talibans look like savages to me, don't they even have barber shops in this shithole of a country! For now though beheadings and stoning women to death have taken a back seat and the troops are being allowed out, these are good things.

Old Joe is on his last legs and wouldn't know what day of the week it is, he is not used to criticism in his 60yr lackluster career so this will probably push him over the edge but then there will be worse to come with the laughing hyena Kumala.

The 'adults' are back in charge, no?


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Stockholm Syndrome is on full display in regards to the return of the Taliban. Some people get conditioned to being victims that they will resort back to allowing the aggressors to take over. I feel sympathy for the teenagers and young adults who have only known occupation forces bringing about relative peace. But "relative" to the fact that the Afghanis did not know of a time before their births of having to endure violence and oppression.

Then again, the older adults, who had known about the time before the Taliban were run off by the Allies, should have had more sense and made an effort to nation-build in the last 20 years. Perhaps they do not want to try.

Old Joe's hometown advice to desperate Afghans - Don't try to get to the airport!!

What has America done to itself this time?

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 2:17am:

Old Joe's hometown advice to desperate Afghans - Don't try to get to the airport!! What has America done to itself this time?

The Taliban has given Old Joe until the end of this month to GET OUT of Afghanistan OR ELSE, Americans are being jammed into his C30's and the Afghan interpreters are being allowed to hang on to the wings and undercarriages. Old Joe has really screwed but his little brown girl is licking her lips in anticipation of the top job.

Joe didn't speak to any of his allies about his chaotic withdrawal from this Muslim shithole so it's fingers crossed we can get all our people out or they will probably be beheaded.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9mt6eZWYA0eZL9?.jpg

Frank wrote on Aug 25^th, 2021 at 3:58pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9mt6eZWYA0eZL9?.jpg

https://comps.canstockphoto.com/tick-or-check-sign-shows-approval-or-drawing_csp14479002.jpg

Johnnie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 24th, 2021 at 2:17am: Old Joe's hometown advice to desperate Afghans - Don't try to get to the airport!! What has America done to itself this time? The Taliban has given Old Joe until the end of this month to GET OUT of Afghanistan OR ELSE, Americans are being jammed into his C30's and the Afghan interpreters are being allowed to hang on to the wings and undercarriages. Old Joe has really screwed but his little brown girl is licking her lips in anticipation of the top job. Joe didn't speak to any of his allies about his chaotic withdrawal from this Muslim shithole so it's fingers crossed we can get all our people out or they will probably be beheaded.

From bad to worse just so the Democrats could 'make a statement' about 'sallow women's rights'... FFS.

There are massively more important things in life than whether or not some sheila or ethnic or coloured can get elected on a level playing field.

One day one will be elected fair and square - but meanwhile we are forced to endure piss-poor business-sided conservative government or choose some bunch of dick-heads who continue to imagine that they have some right to force quotas on us to enforce somebody's whining, along with a host of other inequities and outright violations of democracy.

Poor Fellows - My West!  Sucked in by the whining pussy and never looked up since.

The West spent 20 years and untold lives and treasures to give 40 million Afghans a chance to join the 21st century. Twenty years, an entire generation. The craven Afghan cowards gave it away in a heartbeat 4 years ago to a handful of bearded goatherds with fertiliser and Kalashnikovs.

The Taliban made all sorts of promises ( just like the ISIS guy in chare of Syria now) and broke all of them. 'Palestine'  did go the same way 20 years ago andd will again given a chance.

There is NO reforming jihadi *uckheads. They will never change their spots. It is a total fantasy to imagine that they just want the same things as 'us', for themselves and their childre. They do not.