On a visit to Europe to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of the first world war, Donald Trump insisted to his then chief of staff, John Kelly: “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things.”

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Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy.

Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 7:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler.

Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work.

I know a man whose father was a Nazi soldier and he told me when he was young he would hear his father's generation say things like, "At least when Hitler was in power we could go to the park at night it was so safe!"

He also told me that once on a train another soldier made a sexual advance on his father who then did as he was trained and stood up and in a loud voice shouted while pointing "This man is a homosexual!" The train came to an abrupt stop, and the gay soldier was taken outside and shot in the head as an example.

Interestingly enough, while his father was fighting the Soviets and everyone knew the Nazi cause was lost, he shot himself in the leg so he could go home and be with his girlfriend and that is what spared his life. Even in the midst of inhumanity, there was humanity.

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:13pm:

I know a man whose father was a Nazi soldier and he told me when he was young he would hear his father's generation say things like, "At least when Hitler was in power we could go to the park at night it was so safe!" He also told me that once on a train another soldier made a sexual advance on his father who then did as he was trained and stood up and in a loud voice shouted while pointing "This man is a homosexual!" The train came to an abrupt stop, and the gay soldier was taken outside and shot in the head as an example. Interestingly enough, while his father was fighting the Soviets and everyone knew the Nazi cause was lost, he shot himself in the leg so he could go home and be with his girlfriend and that is what spared his life. Even in the midst of inhumanity, there was humanity.

Shot himself in the leg? If the townsfolk knew that, he'd have been spat on as a coward and a traitor. Loyalty to Hitler and the Third Reich will persist until the last committed ex-soldier has died if they haven't already... Next up are those who were in their mid teens in 1945 and indoctrinated.

Hitler was an animal loving environmentalist  vegetarian who did not allow any criticism...He would fit right in amongst the 'progressives' today. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Hitler was an animal loving environmentalist  vegetarian who did not allow any criticism...He would fit right in amongst the 'progressives' today. ::)

And a teetotaler and nonsmoker as well. The 'epitome' of a self-abnegating 'high born' 'German' - which he was born neither.

Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time.

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Hitler was an animal loving environmentalist  vegetarian who did not allow any criticism...He would fit right in amongst the 'progressives' today. ::)

Stupidest post of the day. Congrats!

rhino wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:02pm:

Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time.

Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly.

I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work.

Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign???

::) ::) ::)

rhino wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:02pm:

Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time.

Yes, he was a strict vegetarian who liked dogs and children... He was addicted to amphetamines, but and may possibly have had syphilis.

Gordon wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:11pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again?

Yes, I have carnal knowledge of this.

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:35pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again? Yes, I have carnal knowledge of this.

Did you feel used?

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. he ate animal products on the sly.

No he didn't. Unanimously agreed by every one who knew him well and wrote about it.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:38pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. he ate animal products on the sly. No he didn't. Unanimously agreed by every one who knew him well and wrote about it.

I saw an account once that he ate caviar or something along those lines. It doesn't matter, however.

Gordon wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:38pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:35pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again? Yes, I have carnal knowledge of this. Did you feel used?

Not in the least. I was happy to be her dick.

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:38pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:35pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again? Yes, I have carnal knowledge of this. Did you feel used? Not in the least. I was happy to be her dick.

I was once used for revenge sex, it's even better than makeup sex.

Gordon wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:52pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:45pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:38pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:35pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... A bit like lesbians who sneak a bit of cock now and again? Yes, I have carnal knowledge of this. Did you feel used? Not in the least. I was happy to be her dick. I was once used for revenge sex, it's even better than makeup sex.

I had a friend once who enjoyed hate sex, but then he had a father who he caught in the backyard at night naked with a pair of binoculars ...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:38pm:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. he ate animal products on the sly. No he didn't. Unanimously agreed by every one who knew him well and wrote about it.

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Even though Hitler adhered to a vegetarian diet during this period, his physician, Theodor Morell, administered many unorthodox medications that contained animal by-products from 1936 until Hitler's death in 1945. These included Glyconorm (an injectable compound containing cardiac muscle, adrenal gland, liver, and pancreas), placenta, bovine testosterone, and extracts containing seminal vesicles and prostate. At the time, extracts from animal glands were popularly believed to be "elixirs of youth", but it is not known if Hitler requested them or if he blindly accepted them.

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Hitler was an animal loving environmentalist  vegetarian who did not allow any criticism...He would fit right in amongst the 'progressives' today. ::)

He would have been a natural standing beside Trump, A perfect fit.

If Trump - the alleged child rapist/failed business"man" - could read, you just know his favourite book would be Mein Kampf.

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:38pm: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. he ate animal products on the sly. No he didn't. Unanimously agreed by every one who knew him well and wrote about it. I saw an account once that he ate caviar or something along those lines. It doesn't matter, however.

Why would eating caviar make him not vegetarian?

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AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:02pm: Hitler wasnt a vegetarian, he was also taking a lot of drugs, so even though he was a teetotaller he was off his face most of the time. Hitler was a self-professed vegetarian, but like most vegetarians, he ate animal products on the sly. I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

Vegetarians dont eat meat. There is no reason they cant eat eggs milk etc. You are confused with vegans.

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AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

That's likely true...

When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat).

The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten.

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:04pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:29pm: Hitler was an animal loving environmentalist  vegetarian who did not allow any criticism...He would fit right in amongst the 'progressives' today. ::) Stupidest post of the day. Congrats!

Seems you have trouble dealing with the truth. ::)

https://adolfhitler33.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/tumblr_oguzb8lo4d1toqeyzo1_400.gif

"Hitler will be forgotten in a few years, but he will have a beautiful monument in Palestine. You know the coming of the Nazis was rather a welcome thing. So many of our German Jews were hovering between two coasts; so many of them were riding the treacherous current between the Scylla of assimilation and the Charybdis of a nodding acquaintance with Jewish things. Thousands who seemed to be completely lost to Judaism were brought back to the fold by Hitler, and for that I am personally very grateful to him."

M. Steinglass, Emil Ludwig before the Judge, American Jewish Times, (April, 1936), p. 35; as quoted in: L. Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:11pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::)

Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::) Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1.

And the fact he exterminated millions of innocent people???

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 4:33pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:46pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::) Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1. And the fact he exterminated millions of innocent people??? ::) ::) ::)

I would go so far as to state the Hitler probably did not know about the concentration camps. I would allege that Hitler's subordinates did the internments, slavery and killings.

The fact that Hitler was at the lead of starting the second world war is by no means a disqualification that he got Germany out of an economic disaster.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 4:33pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:46pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::) Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1. And the fact he exterminated millions of innocent people??? ::) ::) ::) I would go so far as to state the Hitler probably did not know about the concentration camps. I would allege that Hitler's subordinates did the internments, slavery and killings. The fact that Hitler was at the lead of starting the second world war is by no means a disqualification that he got Germany out of an economic disaster.

I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 5:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 4:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 4:33pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 2:46pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::) Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1. And the fact he exterminated millions of innocent people??? ::) ::) ::) I would go so far as to state the Hitler probably did not know about the concentration camps. I would allege that Hitler's subordinates did the internments, slavery and killings. The fact that Hitler was at the lead of starting the second world war is by no means a disqualification that he got Germany out of an economic disaster. I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-?

It's a common mistake people make.

They hear that Hitler never visited a concentration camp - which, from all reports, seems to be true - but he most certainly knew about them.

In fact , he received regular written reports about what was happening in them.

As I said before: Hitler DID do one good thing - he killed Hitler.

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 5:01pm:

I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-?

No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination.

If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation.

I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 7:46am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... That's likely true... When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat). The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten.

b12 is in lettuce

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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 12:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war.

"“We must be ruthless…Only thus shall we purge our people of their softness…and their degenerate delight in beer-swilling…I don’t want the concentration camps transformed into penitentiaries. Terror is the most effective political instrument…It is my duty to make use of every means of training the German people to cruelty, and to prepare them for war…There must be no weakness or tenderness.”

Adolf Hitler, speech to the Nazi Party in 1933.

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Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’

Almost as silly as claiming that Trump did a lot of good things

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 10:10am:

Quote: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Almost as silly as claiming that Trump did a lot of good things

Yes, almost.

Like I said, Hitler did one good thing - he killed Hitler.

However, I cannot think of a single thing that Trump has done in his entire miserable life that could be considered good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfNX8gHSRO8

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:11pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:51pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 7:48pm: Hitler DID do a lot of good things. It is just that Hitler did a lot of bad things that lead to his infamy. Hitler did ONE good thing: he killed Hitler. Hitler reinvigorated the economy of Germany. He got people back into employment. He made Germany powerful. Then he invaded Poland. That does undo a lot of good work. Prosperity is a long term achievement not built on a false promise....Hitler will be judged by the purpose and outcome of his inhumane reign??? ::) ::) ::) Hitler would probably have been a loved German leader of today, had he not been obsessed with getting back territories lost after WW1.

Yes exactly - France, Italy and Russia come to mind ?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 12:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war.

you need to study history more, a lot more.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 10:10am:

Quote: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Almost as silly as claiming that Trump did a lot of good things

Trump is guilty of inciting violence and acting like a complete narcissist. But, the economy did not collapse under his rule.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 12:00am:

If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation.

You'd be wrong... Even kids knew what was going on. Discussing it was forbidden.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 10:10am: Quote: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Almost as silly as claiming that Trump did a lot of good things Trump is guilty of inciting violence and acting like a complete narcissist. But, the economy did not collapse under his rule.

Yes this is the reason he is only 3rd worst president, there was a category where he could have been slightly worse.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 12:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war. you need to study history more, a lot more.

I have read part of Ian Kershaw's book on Hitler. I have numerous books of WW2 and the Nazis. I was going to make the study of WW2 and German history a specialised subject that I would research the most. But, so far, I am more concerned with literature regarding other matters. I can always do a thorough psychological profile of Hitler and give you my impressions. But, as usual, you will probably claim it all "bs", even if I do the argument based on evidence.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:16pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 11:31am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 12:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war. you need to study history more, a lot more. I have read part of Ian Kershaw's book on Hitler. I have numerous books of WW2 and the Nazis. I was going to make the study of WW2 and German history a specialised subject that I would research the most. But, so far, I am more concerned with literature regarding other matters. I can always do a thorough psychological profile of Hitler and give you my impressions. But, as usual, you will probably claim it all "bs", even if I do the argument based on evidence.

you are just making stuff up, I dont believe you have read much about the concentration camps at all, like here.

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If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation.

The rest of the world knew about the camps halfway into the war at least, there is zero basis to claim that the German people didnt know, in fact it was open policy by the Nazis to inter the Jews and others.  The gas trucks which picked up the untermensch marked for extermination were manned mainly by neighbourhood volunteers.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:26pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:16pm: rhino wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 11:31am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 12:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war. you need to study history more, a lot more. I have read part of Ian Kershaw's book on Hitler. I have numerous books of WW2 and the Nazis. I was going to make the study of WW2 and German history a specialised subject that I would research the most. But, so far, I am more concerned with literature regarding other matters. I can always do a thorough psychological profile of Hitler and give you my impressions. But, as usual, you will probably claim it all "bs", even if I do the argument based on evidence. you are just making stuff up, I dont believe you have read much about the concentration camps at all, like here. Quote: If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. The rest of the world knew about the camps halfway into the war at least, there is zero basis to claim that the German people didnt know, in fact it was open policy by the Nazis to inter the Jews and others.  The gas trucks which picked up the untermensch marked for extermination were manned mainly by neighbourhood volunteers.

Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done?

Hitler knew about the concentration camps as did most Germans!!!


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Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/17/johnezard


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Most Germans knew Holocaust was happening, new film claims

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/most-germans-knew-holocaust-was-happening-new-film-claims-1.5091288

:-? :-? :-?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:26pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:16pm: rhino wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 11:31am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 12:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 5:01pm: I find that highly unlikely mate....WTF are you defending Adolf Hitler....He divided Germany and saw it bombed to rubble....You know nothing about history and think you can paint a different reality to what actually happened....I never took you for a Nazi sympathiser??? :-? :-? :-? No. I am not defending Hitler. I am telling it as it is. Hitler was anti-Semitic. But, not so anti-Semitic that he would see tens of thousands of people of the Jewish faith rounded up and put into camps for slavery and extermination. If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. I find Adolf Hitler to be a nutcase. Whatever good he did for Germany and whatever good he displayed of himself, he undid those good things by crossing into the Rhineland and Poland provoking another world war. you need to study history more, a lot more. I have read part of Ian Kershaw's book on Hitler. I have numerous books of WW2 and the Nazis. I was going to make the study of WW2 and German history a specialised subject that I would research the most. But, so far, I am more concerned with literature regarding other matters. I can always do a thorough psychological profile of Hitler and give you my impressions. But, as usual, you will probably claim it all "bs", even if I do the argument based on evidence. you are just making stuff up, I dont believe you have read much about the concentration camps at all, like here. Quote: If the footage of German prisoners of war was anything to go by, there were very few Germans that knew of the Jewish people being used as slaves during the war. I would suggest that the people running the camps, and their supervisors were exclusively knowing about the situation. The rest of the world knew about the camps halfway into the war at least, there is zero basis to claim that the German people didnt know, in fact it was open policy by the Nazis to inter the Jews and others.  The gas trucks which picked up the untermensch marked for extermination were manned mainly by neighbourhood volunteers. Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done?

A lot of Jews were turned in to the SS by ordinary German people....They knew what they were doing!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:38pm:

Hitler knew about the concentration camps as did most Germans!!!

Yes, very soon after Kristallnacht, no one was left in any doubt about how serious this was going to get.

And Hitler did propose that they could be exiled to anywhere outside of Europe that would take them... Almost no one did.

Anti Semitism was rife and overt around the world prior to WW2 including throughout Europe, the US, Canada and Britain.

From the early 30s the program of dehumanising the Jews began, by the start of the war it was complete, the German people not only knew but mostly abetted what happened. I can remember viewing a first hand account from an American GI who was one of those who had liberated the camps, he stated that as the German soldiers in charge of the camps had mostly ceased doing their jobs as the allies approached some prisoners in the camps had started to escape, the local villagers were quite calmly walking around executing these escaped inmates.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

From the early 30s the program of dehumanising the Jews began, by the start of the war it was complete, the German people not only knew but mostly abetted what happened.

Of course, Germans hated Jews as did Austrians, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians... Just about everyone.

Also, it's not called the final solution for nothing... Exile from Europe was one of the first solutions... No takers.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:26pm:

you are just making stuff up, I dont believe you have read much about the concentration camps at all, like here.

I have listened to various videos on the internet of documentaries about Hitler and the concentration camps. But, that is not sufficient research. I have read about half of Kershaw's first book. WW2 was a topic of study for our high school history class 27 years ago. And Hitler has been a focal point for various historians and interpreters of varying backgrounds. I would be sure that 30 years of acknowledging Hitler as an evil person would have shaped how I feel about what he did for his country.

However, to answer your question, no I do not know much about the concentration camps the Nazis used to enslave and murder prisoners. I bet you do not, either. I have not even read "Schindler's Ark" by Thomas Keneally, which might give some idea of how things were in the camps.


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The rest of the world knew about the camps halfway into the war at least, there is zero basis to claim that the German people didnt know, in fact it was open policy by the Nazis to inter the Jews and others.  The gas trucks which picked up the untermensch marked for extermination were manned mainly by neighbourhood volunteers.

The Soviets discovered the camps and were shocked by what they saw. Not even the rest of the world today know about concentration camps of the Nazis, since it is not a subject of study for anyone outside a western background.

And whilst I can accept that people living nearby the camps might have known something about the horrors going on in the camps, I would not believe that many of them had a clear idea -- unless they worked inside the camps keeping some kind of functionality going.

There is no doubt that Jewish people were not liked by most of the German people. But, as far as Hitler was concerned, he wanted them gone from German lands. When I read up on a book about Hitler ordering the exterminating Jewish people, then I will concede that Hitler oversaw the genocide of Jews in camps.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done?

Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

as the allies approached some prisoners in the camps had started to escape, the local villagers were quite calmly walking around executing these escaped inmates.

Yes... One instance known as the 'Mühlviertel rabbit hunt' (Mühlviertler Hasenjagd) when 500 emaciated Russian soldiers broke out of Mauthausen and were hunted down and executed by local civilians. Only 11 survived.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 2:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:30pm: Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done? Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions.

Yes, of course, with no money and no possessions. Jewish property was being confiscated including all personal wealth.

Don't kid yourself. Everybody knew what was happening and were OK with it.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:00pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:30pm: Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done? Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions. Yes, of course, with no money and no possessions. Jewish property was being confiscated including all personal wealth. Don't kid yourself. Everybody knew what was happening and were OK with it.

So, all those books and documentaries claiming that nobody unaffiliated with the Nazis knew of the concentration camps and their purpose until after the Soviets liberated them... they were just bullshitting us?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:00pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:30pm: Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done? Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions. Yes, of course, with no money and no possessions. Jewish property was being confiscated including all personal wealth. Don't kid yourself. Everybody knew what was happening and were OK with it. So, all those books and documentaries claiming that nobody unaffiliated with the Nazis knew of the concentration camps and their purpose until after the Soviets liberated them... they were just bullshitting us?

What exactly would you admit to a conquering army if you were asked?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:05pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:03pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:00pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:30pm: Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done? Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions. Yes, of course, with no money and no possessions. Jewish property was being confiscated including all personal wealth. Don't kid yourself. Everybody knew what was happening and were OK with it. So, all those books and documentaries claiming that nobody unaffiliated with the Nazis knew of the concentration camps and their purpose until after the Soviets liberated them... they were just bullshitting us? What exactly would you admit to a conquering army if you were asked?

I would not admit anything wrong.

Give that man a cigar.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:07pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:05pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:03pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:00pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 2:30pm: Yes... What did all the Germans think was happening after Kristallnacht? And then all the Jews... What? All went to the beach at the same till the war was done? Chances are, there might have been the idea among the Germans that the Jews fled for neighbouring countries to avoid the persecutions. Yes, of course, with no money and no possessions. Jewish property was being confiscated including all personal wealth. Don't kid yourself. Everybody knew what was happening and were OK with it. So, all those books and documentaries claiming that nobody unaffiliated with the Nazis knew of the concentration camps and their purpose until after the Soviets liberated them... they were just bullshitting us? What exactly would you admit to a conquering army if you were asked? I would not admit anything wrong.

Exactly... You'd deny knowing anything for fear of you and/or your family being shot by an angered conquering soldier... And that happened too.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:09pm:

Exactly... You'd deny knowing anything for fear of you and/or your family being shot by an angered conquering soldier... And that happened too.

You cannot say what a local knew or did not know about the camps. Only those that knew about what went on in camps were those that knew about what went on in the camps. Simply living within proximity of the camps does not make someone an expert.

You live more than 76 years after the conclusion of the second world war. What you know about the conditions of the camps come from second hand and even third hand sources. You would have to be a survivor, a guard or an administrator of the camps to have any idea what happened. Forensics and investigators after the closure of the camps would have given people some idea what happened at Auschwitz.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:09pm:

Give that man a cigar.

I do not smoke. But I bet you do. And not just cigars.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:25pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:09pm: Exactly... You'd deny knowing anything for fear of you and/or your family being shot by an angered conquering soldier... And that happened too. You cannot say what a local knew or did not know about the camps. Only those that knew about what went on in camps were those that knew about what went on in the camps. Simply living within proximity of the camps does not make someone an expert.

Oh really?

I have known some of them and, believe me, the younger ones knew from childhood.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:27pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:25pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:09pm: Exactly... You'd deny knowing anything for fear of you and/or your family being shot by an angered conquering soldier... And that happened too. You cannot say what a local knew or did not know about the camps. Only those that knew about what went on in camps were those that knew about what went on in the camps. Simply living within proximity of the camps does not make someone an expert. Oh really? I have known some of them and, believe me, the younger ones knew from childhood.

Did it ever occur to you that they might have lied for the sake of avoiding the association to the Nazis and their activities? Or are you saying that they partook in the internment of certain groups? In either case, they claimed that they knew and could do nothing about it for fear of being killed themselves.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:27pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:25pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:09pm: Exactly... You'd deny knowing anything for fear of you and/or your family being shot by an angered conquering soldier... And that happened too. You cannot say what a local knew or did not know about the camps. Only those that knew about what went on in camps were those that knew about what went on in the camps. Simply living within proximity of the camps does not make someone an expert. Oh really? I have known some of them and, believe me, the younger ones knew from childhood. Did it ever occur to you that they might have lied for the sake of avoiding the association to the Nazis and their activities? Or are you saying that they partook in the internment of certain groups? In either case, they claimed that they knew and could do nothing about it for fear of being killed themselves.

They knew about it... Civilians mostly didn't get involved except for incidents like the 'Mühlviertel rabbit hunt'.

Boys in Germany and Austria were required to join the Hitler Youth and girls 'The League of German Girls' and they talked about a lot of things, like watching prisoners from camps being marched into fields for slave-work sun-up to sundown ... And many witnessed punishments meted out to those who didn't work hard enough.

I lived at a student accommodation with a guy who had a grandfather that fought for Germany in WW2. The soldier was a child of 14 years of age. He had to protect a bridge in the later stages of the war. It was either fight or get shot in the streets. There was no choice for him. There were only 3 other child soldiers he guarded the bridge with that year. Two were shot dead before the war ended, with only him and another surviving.

I really doubt that the safety and security of prisoners of war was a consideration for German people in general, when their country was getting bombed into the stone age. The idea was for survival. No one would be obsessed with talking about the location or well-being of their enemy when the idea of having no more than 2 meals a day were at the forefront of any German's thoughts.

The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

I lived at a student accommodation with a guy who had a grandfather that fought for Germany in WW2. The soldier was a child of 14 years of age. He had to protect a bridge in the later stages of the war. It was either fight or get shot in the streets. There was no choice for him. There were only 3 other child soldiers he guarded the bridge with that year. Two were shot dead before the war ended, with only him and another surviving. I really doubt that the safety and security of prisoners of war was a consideration for German people in general, when their country was getting bombed into the stone age. The idea was for survival. No one would be obsessed with talking about the location or well-being of their enemy when the idea of having no more than 2 meals a day were at the forefront of any German's thoughts. The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive.

I remember watching a doco about the Allies marching Germans through concentration camps after the war. The were saying things like "we thought bad things may have been happening but we did not know, we did not know it was like this(paraphrased by me)"

It seems to me citizens and even soldiers were kept in the dark, leaving them to guess what may have happened behind the gates but confronted with the enormity of the crimes subjected on other humans after the war were beyond their imaginations. There should be info if you google something like - allies show german townsfolk concentration camp

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 3:26pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 3:09pm: Give that man a cigar. I do not smoke. But I bet you do. And not just cigars.

No more cigars for you.

Setanta wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 5:21pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 4:55pm: I lived at a student accommodation with a guy who had a grandfather that fought for Germany in WW2. The soldier was a child of 14 years of age. He had to protect a bridge in the later stages of the war. It was either fight or get shot in the streets. There was no choice for him. There were only 3 other child soldiers he guarded the bridge with that year. Two were shot dead before the war ended, with only him and another surviving. I really doubt that the safety and security of prisoners of war was a consideration for German people in general, when their country was getting bombed into the stone age. The idea was for survival. No one would be obsessed with talking about the location or well-being of their enemy when the idea of having no more than 2 meals a day were at the forefront of any German's thoughts. The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive. I remember watching a doco about the Allies marching Germans through concentration camps after the war. The were saying things like "we thought bad things may have been happening but we did not know, we did not know it was like this(paraphrased by me)" It seems to me citizens and even soldiers were kept in the dark, leaving them to guess what may have happened behind the gates but confronted with the enormity of the crimes subjected on other humans after the war were beyond their imaginations. There should be info if you google something like - allies show german townsfolk concentration camp

I wonder what excuse they used for the smell of burnt humans wafting over their villages.

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 5:58pm:

I wonder what excuse they used for the smell of burnt humans wafting over their villages.

Pork BBq?

Oh Fritzi, whats that wonderful smell? Is it BBQ nicht already? By the way, what happened to that lovely Jewish family next door, we havent seen them since they went off to that government sponsored holiday camp.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive.

Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps...

They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich.

Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich.

Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they.

After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned.

They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 4:55pm: The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive. Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 4:55pm: The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive. Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

Just like everyone here knows what goes on in our interment camps and approve

Spot

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 4:55pm: The idea that most Germans had a clue about concentration camps, or what was going on inside those camps is just ludicrous. You have no context of what the issue of concern was for Germans during a war. You should not be that naive. Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

whats changed?

the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you.
identical.

you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type.

if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd  ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:56am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it. whats changed? the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you. identical. you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type. if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd  ::) ::) ::)

Well... Gee... Aquascoot... (once again, where to start and end?)

Your psychosexual obsession with Xi is identical to many Germans regarding Hitler, up to and including Joseph Goebbels.

But your post reminds me; I'd better check on all the innocent foreign citizens and journalists I've detained in the back shed... I haven't fed them fetid slop for 3 days now... Hope they're OK.

This 'leader', over whom you are shedding baby-tears, is responsible for having detained, in black prisons with no charge, (some for years), innocent foreigners and journalists. Most will either not survive or be permanently injured if they ever do get out... And those are the ones who have not been outright murdered. Nobody knows where they are, nor their condition nor the charges over which they've been detained, as they're denied access to anyone including lawyers, family, friends or their respective embassies.

This 'leader' takes innocent foreigners as hostages when his hyper-paranoia is running steel-clad-booted through his head.

This 'leader' is the one who has now admitted that sanctions on Australia, your country (allegedly), were intended to crush us economically for proposing that an independent, free and thorough investigation of the origins of the virus be initiated. (it's likely an indication that Australian intelligence services know more about the virus origins than has been publicised and the Chinese regime knows it).

Hitler, much?

And another thing... Your twisted obsession with your self-created 'ugly-Australian' stereotypes 'Steve' and 'Janine'... What would you have done to them? (and don't answer that if you can't be honest with yourself).

rhino wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 5:58pm:

I wonder what excuse they used for the smell of burnt humans wafting over their villages.

Do you know what burning carcasses smell like? And can it be confused for animals being burned? And if people can be sure that it is human carcasses being burned, could there be an acceptance that the death toll from the war would have elevated the need for cremations?

Setanta wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 5:21pm:

I remember watching a doco about the Allies marching Germans through concentration camps after the war. The were saying things like "we thought bad things may have been happening but we did not know, we did not know it was like this(paraphrased by me)"

I started watching "The World At War" last night. I fell asleep 20 minutes into the first episode. But, the documentary looks like a good start to reviewing the Nazis. Narrated by Laurence Olivier is the documentary.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

They only discussed it with other Germans or Austrians who knew about it, if at all. So, there was not much chance that they would be discussing with family or friends what they saw and heard... avoiding the risk that the knowledge would get out and alarm the enemy any more.

What good things did he do ?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 8:48pm: They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it. They only discussed it with other Germans or Austrians who knew about it, if at all. So, there was not much chance that they would be discussing with family or friends what they saw and heard... avoiding the risk that the knowledge would get out and alarm the enemy any more.

During the war, there was no escape from discussing 'enemies of the Reich' and what to do about them and what was being done about them.

Brutality without mercy against the dissenter and untermenschen was apotheosised as strength, courage and patriotism.

This dogma was widely disseminated and encouraged among the Hitler Youth (and Deutsches Jungvolk), such that by the time the boy was at military age, he would be the epitome of the Germanic ideal (as defined by the founders of Nazism).

This was the mechanism by which the boy, from 10, was fully indoctrinated by upwards of 15 to 18 into the Nazi ideology of what it meant to be a German man.

The 'great silence' began immediately after the war, particularly where Soviets had the greatest influence, who equalled the Nazis in brutal ways of de-Nazifying the population, such as deporting and enslaving former German soldiers and post-war Nazi sympathisers into the Soviet Union.

Two generations after the war, young Germans began to recoil in horror at what had been done in their country's name, which further silenced their parents/grandparents.

Two generations after the war had ended in Germany, you would imagine that the Germans would have had access to information about the Nazis that the Germans of the 1930s and 1940s had available. Declassified documents notwithstanding. Historians and revisionists would have come to some kind of consensus about what went on in the lead up to Hitler's reign. And they would have been able to gather documentation and video footage to further elaborate on what was public knowledge at the time.

People in Germany over the age of 80 today would likely disassociate themselves from the Nazi regime as much as they could. Only the Nazis themselves would have found themselves in great peril to the punishment meted out to them post-WW2. The "great silence" you talk about would be the general self-censoring about talking about the war and the Nazis. Germans do not want to be associated with Nazis. They want to shake off the stigma associating Nazis with their countrymen.

I put it to you that the seven decades of post war studies into the war would be what the majority of Germans knew of what happened with the brutality. Even though many people that lived during the war are now elderly or dead, when they were in their prime years, they would have understood the information about the Nazis in an post-thought based on the records being released.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:07pm:

What good things did he do ?

Hitler lead Germany to reinvigorate the German economy back to a good standard and well ahead of other European powers.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:31pm:

Two generations after the war had ended in Germany, you would imagine that the Germans would have had access to information about the Nazis that the Germans of the 1930s and 1940s had available. Declassified documents notwithstanding. Historians and revisionists would have come to some kind of consensus about what went on in the lead up to Hitler's reign. And they would have been able to gather documentation and video footage to further elaborate on what was public knowledge at the time. People in Germany over the age of 80 today would likely disassociate themselves from the Nazi regime as much as they could. Only the Nazis themselves would have found themselves in great peril to the punishment meted out to them post-WW2. The "great silence" you talk about would be the general self-censoring about talking about the war and the Nazis. Germans do not want to be associated with Nazis. They want to shake off the stigma associating Nazis with their countrymen. I put it to you that the seven decades of post war studies into the war would be what the majority of Germans knew of what happened with the brutality. Even though many people that lived during the war are now elderly or dead, when they were in their prime years, they would have understood the information about the Nazis in an post-thought based on the records being released.

You have to understand the mood of the German and Austrian people, not just through the lenses of the loss of WW1, the humiliating reparations demanded from Germany by the Allies, the forced demilitarisation and the loss of all overseas territories... But also through the collapse and disintegration of their respective empires.

Germany in 1933 had relatively only recently become a singular entity under a Kaiser.

Austria was the dominant partner in the Austro-Hungarian Empire which ruled from (what is now) the South Tirol to as far east as Romania to as far north as parts of Poland. Kaiser Franz-Josef was a deeply respected emperor and was the living embodiment of the Hapsburg dynasty that had ruled the empire since the 13th century...

In an historical blink of an eye Germany and Austria had lost everything.

The abdicated Kaiser Wilhelm II was the first to blame the destruction of Germany on the Jews as a fifth column. In his words: 'Let no German ever forget this, nor rest until these parasites [Jews] have been destroyed and exterminated from German soil'.

Then, in another historical blink of an eye (15 years and 20 years in the wilderness for Germany and Austria respectively) in 1933 then 1938, a son of Austria was to restore all of that former glory and maybe expand it further.

Hitler was not just a leader, he had become a mythical 'teutonic' demigod.

Kristallnacht was timed to be carried out on the anniversary of Martin Luther's birthday as a 'birthday present' to him, so the mythos of Hitler attained the highest possible of religious heights. The message was clear: The rise of Nazism was equivalent in historical importance to the birth of Protestantism itself.

Nothing that Hitler asked of the German people was too much and eliminating 'the Jew' was an easy ask of Germans and Austrians (Poles and Ukrainians also had little moral problem with it).

And you can reasonably be assured that the vast majority of those old Germans and Austrians who were indoctrinated by Nazism went to their graves in their 80s and 90s with the same sense of being on the side of right with regard to what Nazism demanded of them; including genocide... Whether they partook or were just aware of it. As far as they concerned, the Jew deserved it. I never met one that felt even the slightest sense of remorse.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 12:07pm: What good things did he do ? Hitler lead Germany to reinvigorate the German economy back to a good standard and well ahead of other European powers.

You know how he did that?

Aryanization.

He stole everything from the Jews.

Furniture, money, life insurance, valuable works of art, stocks ... everything.

I think the fact that the Germans had just undergone a humiliation of being slaves to their enemies and made to pay reparations to the allies is part of the reason why I would think that the average German would not have known (or cared) about the fate of their perceived enemies. Anti-semitism was fairly common in the 19th and 20th centuries in Europe. Jews going missing was quite well known in various German cities. The Jews were rounded up and rail transported to concentration camps. What most Germans would not have known was the slavery, torture and murders that took place among the detainees. Most Germans would have been too caught up in their own lives trying to survive a new war (and recover from the problems of the past) to be bothered by what some ethnic group was doing in Auschwitz -- or know that they were taken there instead of being expelled from Germany, as Hitler wanted.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:18pm:

I think the fact that the Germans had just undergone a humiliation of being slaves to their enemies and made to pay reparations to the allies is part of the reason why I would think that the average German would not have known (or cared) about the fate of their perceived enemies. Anti-semitism was fairly common in the 19th and 20th centuries in Europe. Jews going missing was quite well known in various German cities. The Jews were rounded up and rail transported to concentration camps. What most Germans would not have known was the slavery, torture and murders that took place among the detainees. Most Germans would have been too caught up in their own lives trying to survive a new war (and recover from the problems of the past) to be bothered by what some ethnic group was doing in Auschwitz -- or know that they were taken there instead of being expelled from Germany, as Hitler wanted.

No... The indoctrinated and committed Nazis always spoke of it in their communities.

As I said earlier, even kids knew about it... And kids are not good at keeping secrets.

The Gestapo often lived undercover and asked these types of questions. The results were often fatal if the "wrong" answer was given.

The most knowledgeable of the Nazis would have spoken of all kinds of propaganda to fuel their aims for Germany. But, they would have kept a secret about what they did with the war and the concentration camps. Secrecy was what won the war for the Allies and kept the war prolonged for the Germans. When the British cracked the Enigma code, they had to decide what to go after and what not to protect, so as not to alert the Germans about the discovery. I would imagine that the secrecy of coded messages also included secrecy about the way the Germans conducted the war and the slavery at the concentration camps.

lee wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:36pm:

The Gestapo often lived undercover and asked these types of questions. The results were often fatal if the "wrong" answer was given.

True... But informants were everywhere... And the stereotypical Gestapo officer was chosen (among other things) for his height and physical presence. As one German from a clip I watched recalled: the Gestapo officers who came to question him as a teenager about anti-regime activities, 'Would have been close to 2 metres tall and had hands the size of toilet seats'.

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

The most knowledgeable of the Nazis would have spoken of all kinds of propaganda to fuel their aims for Germany. But, they would have kept a secret about what they did with the war and the concentration camps. Secrecy was what won the war for the Allies and kept the war prolonged for the Germans. When the British cracked the Enigma code, they had to decide what to go after and what not to protect, so as not to alert the Germans about the discovery. I would imagine that the secrecy of coded messages also included secrecy about the way the Germans conducted the war and the slavery at the concentration camps.

We can keep going on like this, but by 1942-43 no allied leader was in doubt about what was actually happening in the concentration camps.

It is to the eternal shame of the Allied leaders that they did nothing, before it all started, to take in European Jews nor did they do much to stop the clockwork precision of train schedules to the camps.

No nation among the Allies wanted a large Jewish immigration explosion if they could help it.

And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:54pm:

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

Yes... I'd say the old man interviewed remembered it the way any teenager might.

Suffice it to say that Gestapo officers were seriously dangerous looking bastards.

Other posters have mentioned how upon the freeing of the camps, the Allied soldiers were not sure what had been happening. Are you saying that by 1945, Allied soldiers had forgotten what they were told by their leaders about these camps?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:58pm:

Other posters have mentioned how upon the freeing of the camps, the Allied soldiers were not sure what had been happening. Are you saying that by 1945, Allied soldiers had forgotten what they were told by their leaders about these camps?

That's the thing... The Allied soldiers did not have any idea of the enormity of the crime...

Even the ones who were warned were not prepared for what it actually looked like... In the context of the times, it must have looked worse than a medieval depiction of hell.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed?

This might be China's Nazi moment. Ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Committing sterilisation of people so that they do not rise up against a declining Chinese populace. What can the world do about it? If China was that weak and could be easily overcome militarily and economically, something might be done about it. But, seeing that Muslims are not the most favoured religious group in the world at the moment, I doubt that anyone really cares to go save them. It would take the Saudis to go "Oh my Allah! Do something Satanist Americans! Or no oil for you!" before the United States crapped themselves and went about taking on China.

I was going to read my entire collection of Game of Thrones before I got back to reading up on the Nazis and WW2 books that I have in a comprehensive bookshelf. But, you sure are inspiring me to put reading about Cersei and her deviancy on hold for a while.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 3:55pm: And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed? This might be China's Nazi moment. Ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Committing sterilisation of people so that they do not rise up against a declining Chinese populace. What can the world do about it? If China was that weak and could be easily overcome militarily and economically, something might be done about it. But, seeing that Muslims are not the most favoured religious group in the world at the moment, I doubt that anyone really cares to go save them. It would take the Saudis to go "Oh my Allah! Do something Satanist Americans! Or no oil for you!" before the United States crapped themselves and went about taking on China.

Yes... The rebirth of East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is a whole other thing.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 12:07pm: What good things did he do ? Hitler lead Germany to reinvigorate the German economy back to a good standard and well ahead of other European powers.

yes, he did too.
Thank you for answering a question.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 4:12am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 7:46am: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... That's likely true... When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat). The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten. b12 is in lettuce Spot

And dairy products which Hindus consume.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 4:12am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9th, 2021 at 7:46am: AiA wrote on Jul 8th, 2021 at 9:05pm: I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too .... That's likely true... When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat). The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten. b12 is in lettuce Spot And dairy products which Hindus consume.

Which Hindus consume diary and under what circumstances?

BTW, lettuce has no B12

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 7:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 5:56am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it. whats changed? the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you. identical. you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type. if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd  ::) ::) ::) Well... Gee... Aquascoot... (once again, where to start and end?) Your psychosexual obsession with Xi is identical to many Germans regarding Hitler, up to and including Joseph Goebbels. But your post reminds me; I'd better check on all the innocent foreign citizens and journalists I've detained in the back shed... I haven't fed them fetid slop for 3 days now... Hope they're OK. This 'leader', over whom you are shedding baby-tears, is responsible for having detained, in black prisons with no charge, (some for years), innocent foreigners and journalists. Most will either not survive or be permanently injured if they ever do get out... And those are the ones who have not been outright murdered. Nobody knows where they are, nor their condition nor the charges over which they've been detained, as they're denied access to anyone including lawyers, family, friends or their respective embassies. This 'leader' takes innocent foreigners as hostages when his hyper-paranoia is running steel-clad-booted through his head. This 'leader' is the one who has now admitted that sanctions on Australia, your country (allegedly), were intended to crush us economically for proposing that an independent, free and thorough investigation of the origins of the virus be initiated. (it's likely an indication that Australian intelligence services know more about the virus origins than has been publicised and the Chinese regime knows it). Hitler, much? And another thing... Your twisted obsession with your self-created 'ugly-Australian' stereotypes 'Steve' and 'Janine'... What would you have done to them? (and don't answer that if you can't be honest with yourself).

and yet there you sit on your chinese chair in your chinese clothes posting on your chinese phone.
probably made in these camps where the workers are brutalised.

you are financially contributing to the CCP


have you no shame  :)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 7:48am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 5:56am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2021 at 8:48pm: Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps... They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich. Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich. Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they. After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned. They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it. whats changed? the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you. identical. you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type. if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd  ::) ::) ::) Well... Gee... Aquascoot... (once again, where to start and end?) Your psychosexual obsession with Xi is identical to many Germans regarding Hitler, up to and including Joseph Goebbels. But your post reminds me; I'd better check on all the innocent foreign citizens and journalists I've detained in the back shed... I haven't fed them fetid slop for 3 days now... Hope they're OK. This 'leader', over whom you are shedding baby-tears, is responsible for having detained, in black prisons with no charge, (some for years), innocent foreigners and journalists. Most will either not survive or be permanently injured if they ever do get out... And those are the ones who have not been outright murdered. Nobody knows where they are, nor their condition nor the charges over which they've been detained, as they're denied access to anyone including lawyers, family, friends or their respective embassies. This 'leader' takes innocent foreigners as hostages when his hyper-paranoia is running steel-clad-booted through his head. This 'leader' is the one who has now admitted that sanctions on Australia, your country (allegedly), were intended to crush us economically for proposing that an independent, free and thorough investigation of the origins of the virus be initiated. (it's likely an indication that Australian intelligence services know more about the virus origins than has been publicised and the Chinese regime knows it). Hitler, much? And another thing... Your twisted obsession with your self-created 'ugly-Australian' stereotypes 'Steve' and 'Janine'... What would you have done to them? (and don't answer that if you can't be honest with yourself). and yet there you sit on your chinese chair in your chinese clothes posting on your chinese phone. financially contributing to the CCP probably made in these camps where the workers are brutalised. have you no shame  :)

Ha, ha.. Do you think it's that hard to smell a wumao fart?

I agree. We must decommit from the Chinese regime's economy...

Containment and compression into collapse is the best strategy and we should do our part.

Next time your wumao handlers contact you, ask them how they explain Japan and South Korea...

Maybe ask them why and how they covertly support North Korea when the regime agreed not to support North Korea to join the WTO...

Maybe ask them how the regime protects a thriving black market from muesli for Pyongyang and methamphetamine into China for world distribution (at least in pre-virus times).

oh sorry , did you post that on an australian phone?

are you using the hills hoist S10 or the victa galaxy ? ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 6:02pm:

oh sorry , did you post that on an australian phone? are you using the hills hoist S10 or the victa galaxy ? ::) ::) ::)

Gee man... Just how simple-minded a traitor are you?

I think you are on the wrong forum topic, anyway, aquascoot.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:54pm:

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

Average height has only risen by 1 cm since the 40s. Read this chart
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men?tab=chart&country=~USA

rhino wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 3:54pm: In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall. Average height has only risen by 1 cm since the 40s. Read this chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men?tab=chart&country=~USA

I find that difficult to believe. Even in the 70's playing rugby league I was a respectable height and it was rare to see an opponent of 6'3" most teams didn't have a player even close to that mark. Today I would be considered small and every team has multiple players over 6'3"

For Example have a look at Ronnie palmer currently a trainer with the Tigers. His original club where he played back row between about 72 - 75 give or take.

Have a look at Wayne Pierce, as a player he was one of the first selected to play back row for Australia his son Mitchel is 2" taller and has to play half back.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 8:02pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 12th, 2021 at 6:52pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 3:54pm: In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall. Average height has only risen by 1 cm since the 40s. Read this chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men?tab=chart&country=~USA I find that difficult to believe. Even in the 70's playing rugby league I was a respectable height and it was rare to see an opponent of 6'3" most teams didn't have a player even close to that mark. Today I would be considered small and every team has multiple players over 6'3" For Example have a look at Ronnie palmer currently a trainer with the Tigers. His original club where he played back row between about 72 - 75 give or take. Have a look at Wayne Pierce, as a player he was one of the first selected to play back row for Australia his son Mitchel is 2" taller and has to play half back.

You didnt use the chart in the link I posted did you? 

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:54pm:

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

Whats with changing from imperial to metric etc? argh.

Spot

rhino wrote on Jul 12^th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 3:54pm: In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall. Average height has only risen by 1 cm since the 40s. Read this chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men?tab=chart&country=~USA

According to your link, the average height of an Australian man has grown by 5 cm since the 1940s and 1 cm in the United States.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 11:27am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2021 at 3:54pm: In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall. Whats with changing from imperial to metric etc? argh. Spot

They were using imperial measurements back in the 1940s. I wanted to be specific with metric measurements in regards to the allegation that Gestapo people were 2 metres tall.