https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/getting-a-covid-jab-is-safer-than-taking-aspirin


For the family of the woman who recently died from a very rare blood clot after her AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination, it’s no comfort that ‘only’ two people have died despite nearly four million doses of AstraZeneca in Australia.

But this one-in-two-million risk should reassure everyone else, including the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI). After all, we are four times more likely to get struck by lightning in 2021.

I have also lost a friend due to AstraZeneca– not because he had the vaccination, but because he didn’t.

He was 70 years old and listened to scaremongers and decided against vaccination, only to die from COVID-19 in India.


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Ironically, he was taking aspirin to prevent another heart attack, a medication which poses a significantly higher risk than AstraZeneca.

Around 11 per cent of older Australians take daily aspirin to help prevent stroke and heart attack, but statistically, aspirin is two hundred times more dangerous than AstraZeneca – resulting in around one death per 10,000 people.

So why are so many of us unduly worried about this vaccine given that the severe side effects are exceedingly rare?

One might even question ATAGI’s recent decision to only recommend AstraZeneca for those aged 60 and over.

Perhaps it’s because the media – and anti-vaxxers – are very good at making rare side effects seem very common by focusing all the attention on those effects. This trick starts with a fact – like AstraZeneca can cause blood clots – from which risks are extrapolated and exaggerated, scaring vulnerable people.

The fact is that all vaccines can cause very serious adverse events like anaphylaxis, cellulitis and even death. The obvious danger of writing this last sentence is actually the point of this article – someone claims, out of context, that public health physicians warn vaccines cause serious conditions and death.

But dangerous adverse events can result from just about any pharmaceutical or medical intervention.

If I list the known adverse events (and sneakily don’t mention their frequency) we are left with a frightening picture including pancreatitis, hematemesis, papillary necrosis, renal failure, aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, Steven-Johnson syndrome, erythema nodosum, hepatitis, Reye’s syndrome, hepatic insufficiency, metabolic acidosis, , hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia, cerebral edema, coma, intracranial hemorrhage, seizures, hearing loss, rhabdomyolysis, pulmonary edema, asthma and... the list goes on.

But before you stop your aspirin (and the Medical Board deregisters me) you need to know that the incidence of these side effects is exceedingly small. I just handpicked rare, catastrophic and dramatic adverse events.

And this is what some media and social media coverage does.
But, millions of Australians (including many who are currently refusing vaccinations) continue to take aspirin because the benefits of aspirin (or any appropriate medication) outweigh the risks, which are rare.

And likewise many women draw the same conclusion about taking the contraceptive pill which can cause clots in five to 12 women in every 10,000.

Of course, I’m not claiming that taking aspirin is the same as getting vaccinated. There are important differences. But the principle of weighing up the benefits against the risks applies equally.

Nearly all the world’s immunologists, virologists, medical professionals and public health experts agree that COVID-19 vaccines, including Astra Zeneca, have minimal risk to recommended subgroups and significant benefit.

But vaccine opponents might argue that while aspirin is tried and tested, COVID-19 vaccines are new and we don’t know what the longer-term affects may be, in say, 20 years. Indeed, not until 2041 can we be certain that a vaccine doesn’t cause [add any disease name here].

But I’m glad we didn’t wait for 20 years of data before using vaccines to eradicate smallpox and control the devastating polio virus.

Besides, even though COVID-19 vaccines are new we already know a lot.

AstraZeneca and Pfizer use vaccine technology that’s been carefully developed over decades of research. They rely on stimulating the immune system – similar to the other 18 jabs that the average 18 year-old has already received.

Furthermore, we already have large amounts of data on the current COVID-19 vaccines – worldwide, we recently passed the two-billion dose milestone. Severe adverse events, like blood clots, are being very closely monitored and have mostly been minor or exceedingly rare.

However, conspiracy theorists claim governments are hiding the truth about these vaccines and their adverse effects.
<header><h1>Getting a COVID jab is safer than taking aspirin</h1><p><a rel="author" href="https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/individuals/professor-nathan-grills">Professor Nathan Grills</a></p></header><p>For the family of the <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/woman-dies-rare-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/100205652">woman who recently died from a very rare blood clot after her AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination</a>, it’s no comfort that ‘only’ two people have died despite <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/atagi-to-change-astrazeneca-age-rules-covid-vaccine/100222464">nearly four million doses

"GETTING A COVID JAB IS SAFER THAN TAKING ASPIRIN"



Well that should please at least some persons here.

I take an apsrin every day.



And i have no intention of being vaccinated against COVID.
[....though i would accept being provided with a couple of Ivermectin Triple Therapy blister packs,
just in case.
but i'm not holding my breath.]



The Government [and the government health 'experts'] are treating Australians like mushrooms, re this COVID 'pandemic', imo.

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 11:34am:

"GETTING A COVID JAB IS SAFER THAN TAKING ASPIRIN" Well that should please at least some persons here. I take an apsrin every day. And i have no intention of being vaccinated against COVID. [....though i would accept being provided with a couple of Ivermectin Triple Therapy blister packs, just in case. but i'm not holding my breath.] The Government [and the government health 'experts'] are treating Australians like mushrooms, re this COVID 'pandemic', imo.

Australians are acting like mushrooms essentially.

Pretty much what Aqua scooter has been saying

The level of risk adversity in modern society is truly pathetic

People's whole philosophy of life is 2 risk nothing do nothing produce nothing and be nothing

Surviving not thriving

Personally I am happy to offer myself up to have an intravenous vaccination every day for the rest of the year to convince the pussies that a little bit of harmless dead protein cannot possibly hurt you

My impression is at the risk averse bedwetting pussies scared of the vaccine
Will be the same risk-averse bedwetting pussies demanding the vaccine when we get a catastrophic outbreak in 2022

How utterly mediocre and yet so predictable

Bloody hell I must be losing it !!

I agree with aqua for once!  ;D ;D

I have had my two shots of AstraZeneca!

aquascoot wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 1:36pm:

Pretty much what Aqua scooter has been saying The level of risk adversity in modern society is truly pathetic People's whole philosophy of life is 2 risk nothing do nothing produce nothing and be nothing Surviving not thriving Personally I am happy to offer myself up to have an intravenous vaccination every day for the rest of the year to convince the pussies that a little bit of harmless dead protein cannot possibly hurt you My impression is at the risk averse bedwetting pussies scared of the vaccine Will be the same risk-averse bedwetting pussies demanding the vaccine when we get a catastrophic outbreak in 2022 How utterly mediocre and yet so predictable

TO be pedantic

1. Its not Intravenous, its intramuscular.
2. Hardly any of these vaccines are protein based. Pfizer is mRNA wrapped in a lipid bubble, AZ is a modified virus

Having taken aspro clear and mixed that in with lemon juice and water to help keep me free of the common cold, I had been advised not to do this too regularly.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:15pm:

Having taken aspro clear and mixed that in with lemon juice and water to help keep me free of the common cold, I had been advised not to do this too regularly.

Or at all.

Don't need the jab or aspirin out here in the bush - sucko big city mushrooms, good entertainment, haven't had such a good laugh in years

Keep the international planes flying in. Keep bringing in more Indians from Covid infested India. Best laugh I've ever had

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:15pm: Having taken aspro clear and mixed that in with lemon juice and water to help keep me free of the common cold, I had been advised not to do this too regularly. Or at all.

Because of the likelihood of developing stomach ulcers. I use Aspro Clear only during the symptoms of a cold. But, it seems just drinking lemon water is good enough.

The point was that the side effects of the covid vaccination would be less than taking asprin.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:18pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:15pm: Having taken aspro clear and mixed that in with lemon juice and water to help keep me free of the common cold, I had been advised not to do this too regularly. Or at all. Because of the likelihood of developing stomach ulcers. I use Aspro Clear only during the symptoms of a cold. But, it seems just drinking lemon water is good enough. The point was that the side effects of the covid vaccination would be less than taking asprin.

No, because it won't do anything to keep you free of the common cold.

We are going to have to agree to disagree here. I still believe that the citric acid of lemon juice prevents the onset of a cold. Or it greatly inhibits the period that you have a cold.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:41pm:

We are going to have to agree to disagree here. I still believe that the citric acid of lemon juice prevents the onset of a cold. Or it greatly inhibits the period that you have a cold.

So wtf does the aspirin have to do with it.

FMD, your ideas on health explain so much.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:41pm: We are going to have to agree to disagree here. I still believe that the citric acid of lemon juice prevents the onset of a cold. Or it greatly inhibits the period that you have a cold. So wtf does the aspirin have to do with it. FMD, your ideas on health explain so much.

Oh, so your focus was on the asprin part, and not the lemon juice part. Here I was agreeing with you that asprin need not be used in trying to ward off a cold. But, you took a comment I made about you saying the covid jab being safer than taking asprin and turned it on its head.

I may not question your knowledge of epidemiology. But your reading and comprehension skills need work.

JFC idiot.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

JFC idiot.

That would describe you perfectly for jumping to conclusions and trying to pick a fight when there was not one to start.

Exactly how does aspirin prevent flu?

Also, a good idea just to quote a few paragraphs of an article. Anyone can click on the link and read the article itself. Allegations of plagiarism arise from copy and paste.

rhino wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 3:15pm:

Exactly how does aspirin prevent flu?

I do not know. I did not claim that it was for the prevention of the flu. I claimed that I took aspro clear so that I could help keep me free of the common cold. But Aspro Clear just treats the symptoms of having a cold (and influenza).

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 11:12am:

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/getting-a-covid-jab-is-safer-than-taking-aspirin ............   Around 11 per cent of older Australians take daily aspirin to help prevent stroke and heart attack, but statistically, aspirin is two hundred times more dangerous than AstraZeneca – resulting in around one death per 10,000 people. So why are so many of us unduly worried about this vaccine given that the severe side effects are exceedingly rare? One might even question ATAGI’s recent decision to only recommend AstraZeneca for those aged 60 and over. Perhaps it’s because the media – and anti-vaxxers – are very good at making rare side effects seem very common by focusing all the attention on those effects. This trick starts with a fact – like AstraZeneca can cause blood clots – from which risks are extrapolated and exaggerated, scaring vulnerable people. The fact is that all vaccines can cause very serious adverse events like anaphylaxis, cellulitis and even death. The obvious danger of writing this last sentence is actually the point of this article – someone claims, out of context, that public health physicians warn vaccines cause serious conditions and death. But dangerous adverse events can result from just about any pharmaceutical or medical intervention. If I list the known adverse events (and sneakily don’t mention their frequency) we are left with a frightening picture including pancreatitis, hematemesis, papillary necrosis, renal failure, aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, Steven-Johnson syndrome, erythema nodosum, hepatitis, Reye’s syndrome, hepatic insufficiency, metabolic acidosis, , hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia, cerebral edema, coma, intracranial hemorrhage, seizures, hearing loss, rhabdomyolysis, pulmonary edema, asthma and... the list goes on. But before you stop your aspirin (and the Medical Board deregisters me) you need to know that the incidence of these side effects is exceedingly small. I just handpicked rare, catastrophic and dramatic adverse events. And this is what some media and social media coverage does. But, millions of Australians (including many who are currently refusing vaccinations) continue to take aspirin because the benefits of aspirin (or any appropriate medication) outweigh the risks, which are rare. And likewise many women draw the same conclusion about taking the contraceptive pill which can cause clots in five to 12 women in every 10,000. Of course, I’m not claiming that taking aspirin is the same as getting vaccinated. There are important differences. But the principle of weighing up the benefits against the risks applies equally. Nearly all the world’s immunologists, virologists, medical professionals and public health experts agree that COVID-19 vaccines, including Astra Zeneca, have minimal risk to recommended subgroups and significant benefit. But vaccine opponents might argue that while aspirin is tried and tested, COVID-19 vaccines are new and we don’t know what the longer-term affects may be, in say, 20 years. Indeed, not until 2041 can we be certain that a vaccine doesn’t cause [add any disease name here]. But I’m glad we didn’t wait for 20 years of data before using vaccines to eradicate smallpox and control the devastating polio virus. Besides, even though COVID-19 vaccines are new we already know a lot. AstraZeneca and Pfizer use vaccine technology that’s been carefully developed over decades of research. They rely on stimulating the immune system – similar to the other 18 jabs that the average 18 year-old has already received. Furthermore, we already have large amounts of data on the current COVID-19 vaccines – worldwide, we recently passed the two-billion dose milestone. Severe adverse events, like blood clots, are being very closely monitored and have mostly been minor or exceedingly rare. However, conspiracy theorists claim governments are hiding the truth about these vaccines and their adverse effects. But this would, in effect, require nearly all the world’s 193 governments of all persuasions (fascist, communist, democratic, theocratic and monarchical) to conspire together – along with vaccine companies and the mainstream free media – to corrupt regulatory frameworks, hide data from independent monitoring agencies and man ...

I think he is quite faudulent in many of his statements but I agree with his overall direction.

Heard a stat yesterday (don't know if it's true or not) that the chances are greater that women will develop a blood clot from the contraceptive pill than they will the covid vaccine

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 3:20pm:

Also, a good idea just to quote a few paragraphs of an article. Anyone can click on the link and read the article itself. Allegations of plagiarism arise from copy and paste.

I posted the link you idiot. That covers the plagiarism. I'm not quoting it as my own worlk

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 3:02pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:59pm: JFC idiot. That would describe you perfectly for jumping to conclusions and trying to pick a fight when there was not one to start.

Indeed, why start a fight when I know I'll easily run away

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 7:44pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 3:20pm: Also, a good idea just to quote a few paragraphs of an article. Anyone can click on the link and read the article itself. Allegations of plagiarism arise from copy and paste. I posted the link you idiot. That covers the plagiarism. I'm not quoting it as my own worlk

You posted the link first up. I noted that. But then you did a complete copy and paste of the content. That was redundant because of the link posted. And correct me if I am wrong, but the content you can post is limited to perhaps a few paragraphs.

The only reason why you would post so much of the content was to critique the article. And maybe I missed the part in your initial post where you started to make an argument based on evidence, citing the article.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 11:37am:

Yadda wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 11:34am: "GETTING A COVID JAB IS SAFER THAN TAKING ASPIRIN" Well that should please at least some persons here. I take an apsrin every day. And i have no intention of being vaccinated against COVID. [....though i would accept being provided with a couple of Ivermectin Triple Therapy blister packs, just in case. but i'm not holding my breath.] The Government [and the government health 'experts'] are treating Australians like mushrooms, re this COVID 'pandemic', imo. Australians are acting like mushrooms essentially.

you sound like norman goose and the rest of the ABC shills. when the vaccine injuries and deaths start mounting up and can no longer be ignored guess which rock you will be hiding under ??

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 7:45pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 3:02pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 2:59pm: JFC idiot. That would describe you perfectly for jumping to conclusions and trying to pick a fight when there was not one to start. Indeed, why start a fight when I know I'll easily run away

Let's make up a term for your condition: Keyboardwarrioritis -- the ability to fight someone over the medium of the internet with the aid of anonymity and extreme distance shielding you from harm.

Who actually wanted a fight you said you'd been takin aspirin and emon juice for colds i said it was pointless. Either ingredient

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 7:57pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 7:44pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 3:20pm: Also, a good idea just to quote a few paragraphs of an article. Anyone can click on the link and read the article itself. Allegations of plagiarism arise from copy and paste. I posted the link you idiot. That covers the plagiarism. I'm not quoting it as my own worlk You posted the link first up. I noted that. But then you did a complete copy and paste of the content. That was redundant because of the link posted. And correct me if I am wrong, but the content you can post is limited to perhaps a few paragraphs. The only reason why you would post so much of the content was to critique the article. And maybe I missed the part in your initial post where you started to make an argument based on evidence, citing the article.

Maybe some people couldnt get to the link. That is not plagiarism. Pull your head in.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 8:08pm:

Maybe some people couldnt get to the link. That is not plagiarism. Pull your head in.

Huh??? You hyperlinked the article for this forum topic. I clicked on it to see if you were plagiarising the article. You were. And to think that some people would be that incomputerate to not be able to mouse over a link and click so that they can get an article that is not being subscriber-only available, is what is really stupid.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 8:06pm:

Who actually wanted a fight you said you'd been takin aspirin and emon juice for colds i said it was pointless. Either ingredient

I think I wrote a few hours ago the pointlessness of taking aspirin to prevent colds. Asprin only treats the symptoms of a cold. I think it was you a year or two ago that reinforced that idea of not needing aspirin. You convinced me. Good on you.

But, now, you are saying lemon juice is pointless in fighting a cold? Good luck with that.

Plagiarism is claiming it as my own work without attribution. I posted the link and then tthe article. That is not plagiarism, but you mentioned you dropped out of uni so I'm not surprised you don't know the difference.

You accuse me of that poo again we're going to have a problem.

Will taking aspirin give me a headache?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 8:19pm:

Plagiarism is claiming it as my own work without attribution. I posted the link and then tthe article. That is not plagiarism, but you mentioned you dropped out of uni so I'm not surprised you don't know the difference.

I dropped out of university doing an information technology course. That means I have marginal success in knowing how to program or do multimedia. However, I have had success completing a course in regards to doing research assignments. The coordinators drummed it into our heads that if we did not properly cite our information, we fail.

The other issue is that you don't post the whole article from a website. Just the basic idea from perhaps the first paragraph. Then you can comment about the credibility of the article for others to agree or disagree.

So did I plagiarise or not since I attributed the piece?

I am not commenting on that, as I am not a lawyer. My experience is based on 24 units of a degree where I had to at least once per essay or project cite what I had researched.

I'm looking up copyright law right now to see where we stand on this. But, whatever I find, I am not going to report you to the University of Melbourne over a copy and paste of an article. I think you are afforded enough protections on this forum to not have to worry about the legalities of it all.

Seriously are you high?

Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000

Rather than just listing an act where did I break it in a way noone else did on here?

And if you're referring to false attribution where did I attribute it to me?

And then why are you picking on this when there are literally people who cut and paszte from websites without posting a link or author.


So take your fat smacking attitude and shove it up your arse

COPYRIGHT AMENDMENT (DIGITAL AGENDA) ACT 2000
Schedule 1—Amendment of the Copyright Act 1968

20 After subsection 10(2)

Insert:

(2A)
Without limiting the meaning of the expression reasonable portion in this Act, if a person makes a reproduction of a part of:
(a)
a published literary work (other than a computer program or an electronic compilation, such as a database); or
(b)
a published dramatic work;
being a work that is in electronic form, the reproduction is taken to contain only a reasonable portion of the work if:

(c)
the number of words copied does not exceed, in the aggregate, 10% of the number of words in the work; or
(d)
if the work is divided into chapters—the number of words copied exceeds, in the aggregate, 10% of the number of words in the work, but the reproduction contains only the whole or part of a single chapter of the work.

So can you explain what that means or you just C and P what you thought was appropriate

: “This article was first published on Pursuit. Read the original article.”

Happy now?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 8:52pm:

And if you're referring to false attribution where did I attribute it to me?

I am not at all accusing you of claiming that the article was your work. You hyperlinked to the article. For what little I know of copyright law, you might well have done enough to avoid any vexation from the University of Melbourne. But, I doubt any scholar would even consider OzPolitic to be a credible enough forum for them to even bother launching legal action against this forum website. I think you are in the clear.

However, you could have cleared up the article to be only a few paragraphs. Then you could have posted your opinion so that it looks like a reasonable critique. Any other forum's moderator would likely be all over you.

Look at my reviews I make on the film and television section. I post a link to a video. I post some synopsis of the movie I want to review. Then I make sure that the source is cited. I do not post a whole movie and then review the movie under the video. And if people want me to retract statements I made in regards to the review I made, they can get the legal right to do so.

As for other posters posting articles in full (and not roughly 10% of the article), I might find a few of them have done so. But, it has been a fruitless search going through recent posts.

JFC can you spread the next 3 years of your life going through the whole forum then.

Lets get back to you takining aspirin toi prevent colds. Why?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 9:14pm:

Lets get back to you takining aspirin toi prevent colds. Why?

Alrighty then. Because I had the impression that taking aspro clear with diluted lemon juice would help my body clear up the common cold that I was suffering. I do not take aspro clear with lemon juice as a preventative measure when I am not suffering a cold.

It may reduce symptoms thats it, but doesnt clear a cold.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 9:20pm:

It may reduce symptoms thats it, but doesnt clear a cold.

I was taking aspro clear in regards to other health problems. But it turned out that the issue could be cleared up simply by drinking green or black tea. Or I could have a Berocca mixed into a large glass of water. That cleared up my problems really well in both uses. I only use aspro clear on occasion when I have a cold... as it was I had one last November.

Well, my sore arm has gone after having my first AstraZeneca 'jab' last Thursday.

But, I've had a bit of a sore throat (could also be connected with my thyroid surgery 4 weeks ago), a slight cough and the 'sniffles' for the past few days although that now seems to be subsiding as well. Not sure if it was related to my 'jab' or the extremely cold weather we've had/are having in Perth. Possibly both.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 9:20pm: It may reduce symptoms thats it, but doesnt clear a cold. I was taking aspro clear in regards to other health problems. But it turned out that the issue could be cleared up simply by drinking green or black tea. Or I could have a Berocca mixed into a large glass of water. That cleared up my problems really well in both uses. I only use aspro clear on occasion when I have a cold... as it was I had one last November.

Doubt it

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 9:41am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 9:25pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 9:20pm: It may reduce symptoms thats it, but doesnt clear a cold. I was taking aspro clear in regards to other health problems. But it turned out that the issue could be cleared up simply by drinking green or black tea. Or I could have a Berocca mixed into a large glass of water. That cleared up my problems really well in both uses. I only use aspro clear on occasion when I have a cold... as it was I had one last November. Doubt it

I think you are doubting the whole message. Taking a big glass of water and mixing in Berocca was what overcame my health problems. Drinking green or black tea have both helped me lose weight as well as help me with certain health problems. I take a canister of water with tea bags placed inside them. The cold tea has helped keep me alert and refreshed better than water alone. I also have a number of squares of aspro clear in the cupboard ready for when I feel the onset of a cold. I just drink water with lemon juice if I feel the cold happen. The aspro clear I use during the soreness phase of the common cold.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 8:56pm:

COPYRIGHT AMENDMENT (DIGITAL AGENDA) ACT 2000 Schedule 1—Amendment of the Copyright Act 1968 20 After subsection 10(2) Insert: (2A) Without limiting the meaning of the expression reasonable portion in this Act, if a person makes a reproduction of a part of: (a) a published literary work (other than a computer program or an electronic compilation, such as a database); or (b) a published dramatic work; being a work that is in electronic form, the reproduction is taken to contain only a reasonable portion of the work if: (c) the number of words copied does not exceed, in the aggregate, 10% of the number of words in the work; or (d) if the work is divided into chapters—the number of words copied exceeds, in the aggregate, 10% of the number of words in the work, but the reproduction contains only the whole or part of a single chapter of the work.

no quote, no link


plagiarism. ::) ::)

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2004C01235

COPYRIGHT AMENDMENT (DIGITAL AGENDA) ACT 2000

I told of the name where the legislation was located. You could have looked that up with the information I provided.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22nd, 2021 at 9:20pm: It may reduce symptoms thats it, but doesnt clear a cold. I was taking aspro clear in regards to other health problems. But it turned out that the issue could be cleared up simply by drinking green or black tea. Or I could have a Berocca mixed into a large glass of water. That cleared up my problems really well in both uses. I only use aspro clear on occasion when I have a cold... as it was I had one last November.

I'll try that, thanks

By clearing up a cold you mean reducing symptoms. But the symptoms are your immune system fighting the cold.

When I did a toothbrushing scrub of my teeth using baking soda, last night, I washed the mouth out a few times. Then I started experiencing the aching feeling. My unqualified dental diagnosis was that my teeth had moved ever so slightly and let the gum disease leak a little. Today, I have a slight sore throat, most likely the result of swallowing the elevated levels of the build up.


Quote:

By clearing up a cold you mean reducing symptoms. But the symptoms are your immune system fighting the cold.

When I get those sort of sore throats or aching teeth or even a prolonged headache, I do usually use aspro clear to help counter the symptoms. Perhaps the headache is stemming from the body fighting the infection. But, I would rather that the paracetamol (or whatever it is called) be used to fight the soreness so that I can sleep and work better.

If you are claiming that the asprin is attacking the immune system or doing something that prevents the immune system from being able to fight the cold, I do not know that. I understand that some of the symptoms include that which helps fight the cold. You convinced me of that. But, it is all about countering the pain I have from having a cold.

I drink Berocca, black or green tea, lemon juice, lime juice and some other home remedies that I use to fight a cold. I have to basically cut sugar near completely out of my diet during my illness. But asprin is only a partial measure in countering my cold symptoms -- soreness and headaches.

So thus it reduces symptoms, not fights the cold.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 1:49pm:

So thus it reduces symptoms, not fights the cold.

Does that prevent the immune system doing its job?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 1:51pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:49pm: So thus it reduces symptoms, not fights the cold. Does that prevent the immune system doing its job?

Depends on the symptoms.


Mucus production is immune response to flush out pathogens in the nose, cough to get rid out of lungs etc. Fever especially is very useful for immune response. Its why after your COVID vaccinations they are recommending that if you can cope with any fever or pain you receive, don't take anything for it

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:51pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:49pm: So thus it reduces symptoms, not fights the cold. Does that prevent the immune system doing its job? Depends on the symptoms. Mucus production is immune response to flush out pathogens in the nose, cough to get rid out of lungs etc. Fever especially is very useful for immune response. Its why after your COVID vaccinations they are recommending that if you can cope with any fever or pain you receive, don't take anything for it

The asprin is not stopping the mucus. Just cutting down on headaches and pain.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 1:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:55pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:51pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 1:49pm: So thus it reduces symptoms, not fights the cold. Does that prevent the immune system doing its job? Depends on the symptoms. Mucus production is immune response to flush out pathogens in the nose, cough to get rid out of lungs etc. Fever especially is very useful for immune response. Its why after your COVID vaccinations they are recommending that if you can cope with any fever or pain you receive, don't take anything for it The asprin is not stopping the mucus. Just cutting down on headaches and pain.

The answer is in its category, its a non steroidal antiinflammatory drug. It reduces inflammation,

I tried the "let the immune system do its job" in response to a cold. The cold lasted 2 weeks before I had the runny nose under control. A week of a runny nose. Then the mucus started getting under control the next week. Last November, I used diluted lemon juice and mixed in aspro clear for a few days and then went back to just having lemon juice for the remainder of the week after the pain receded. I had a runny nose for 2 days. I was okay a week later.

Yuo're just repeating the poiunt, you're reducing symptoms not fighting the cold virus.

Oooh, look... another one.  8-)

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WA Health. Carl, please complete the 2nd COVID vaccine safety survey 1 week since vaccination: au.smartvax.co/************** 10:23AM

Wonder what would happen if I just ignore it? They might fear the worst and have an ambulance at my place by the end of the day. :o

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 25^th, 2021 at 2:05pm:

Yuo're just repeating the poiunt, you're reducing symptoms not fighting the cold virus.

You seem to be the one repeating yourself. I vary my posts to try and explain as comprehensively as possible.