I have done this for a long time and every day.


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...........    1. Towing Heavy Loads If you are pulling a large boat or you have a truck and the flatbed is loaded down with heavy equipment or supplies, you could damage your transmission if you don’t drive in “low gear.” This is because your transmission is programmed to operate and shift under the manufactured weight of the vehicle. When you significantly change the weight, it can have adverse effects on the transmission. Using low gear to tow heavy loads ensures that the entire transmission keeps the engine running at higher RPMs in order to handle that heavier load. 2. Steep Inclines & Declines Another reason that drivers of automatic vehicles may choose to shift manually to low gear is during times of driving on steep hills or mountains. Shifting your engine manually to low gear while driving up a steep hill can help give your car a little more power, or engine torque, to make the climb without stressing the engine. Conversely, driving in low gear as you descend a steep hill can help you stay slow and steady without riding your brake or burning up your transmission.         ................

https://parksidemotors.ca/when-to-use-low-gears-in-an-automatic/

There are so many caravans on the roads now days sprint it's unbelievable

Just a couple of observations about keeping machinery functional

Always have a can of inox in the boot and spray all your suspension once a week to keep the rust off it
Inox is cheap and suspensions are expensive

Spray all around the electronic braking system
Don't drive your caravan through creek crossings with hot bearings or heated up brakes

Spray all around your jockey wheel your shackles and towball

Make sure you have a good trailer braking system and make sure it is adjusted correctly for the weight you are towing

Don't tow heavy loads with 4 cylinder turbo diesels

You can't be cubic centimetres for towing ability

And no that does not mean by a dodge ram
They are rolling piles of junk

I would take some contest with some of your statements.
But not towing with a 4 cylinder diesel, that's just incorrect.

I have an Isuzu mux, it has a 4 cylinder engine and is designed to tow.
The exact same engine is fitted to the dmax and the 8 ton truck.
The engine cylinder configuration has little to do with towing ability, and as technology is increasing, so is the performance.

Now, I'm not a person who believes the Nissan and Ford variants with 2.2 litre engines is a long term prospect.
But the good old Isuzu 3.0 litre turbo has been hauling vans all over the world for many years.

My old Nissan x trail ( a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder petrol) capably towed my 1.5 ton plus boat around all over the place, never an issue, never missed a beat.

The real trick is the gearbox.
Newer diesel cars have 6 or mode gears and the autos are all particularly strong.
I just put it in drive and go.
Manual gearboxes are only better in that they do not tend to overheat as much as auto, but a good tranny cooler rectified that.

I have been towing boats and trailers for over 40 years.
If you use the gearbox correctly and drive sensibly, even a 1.5 litre 4 cylinder echo can tow with no problems, within it's limits of course.

yes, technology has changed

I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns.

The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel.

http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM

http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png

Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm.
It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

yes, technology has changed I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns. The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel. http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm. It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission.

Long stroked engines have a high wear component on the thrust side of the cylinder, they also can't rev as hard as a short stroke, the speeding up and slowing down of the reciprocating mass will break it if it spins too fast. The advancement in lubrication is what allows modern engines to be as good as that are. You will get more torque from a long stroke as the power cycle lasts longer and has a greater leverage via the crank throw. No matter the engine it's the lubrication that keeps it alive.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

yes, technology has changed I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns. The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel. http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm. It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission.

scotty agrees


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnYkx8Rwp0

aquascoot wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 6:18pm: yes, technology has changed I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns. The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel. http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm. It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission. scotty agrees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnYkx8Rwp0

But that Mitsubishi-Aisin combination is high tech and new, it must fail under the aqua rules.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 10:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 8:52pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 6:18pm: yes, technology has changed I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns. The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel. http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm. It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission. scotty agrees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnYkx8Rwp0 But that Mitsubishi-Aisin combination is high tech and new, it must fail under the aqua rules.

rubbish,

the 2.5 litre turbo diesel in the triton is virtually unchanged since 2010.
i would have said wait a few years in 2010 until they iron out any flaws.
the early ones had a lot of carbonated intakes.
they ironed this out in 2012 and its been reliable ever since.

so you have 10 years of proven technology in a car which is number 10 on the sales figures for oz.

so , yes buy one.
they are proven old school technology with a long model run.

if mistsubishi tried to appeal tio numpties (like you) and brought out  a new engine for 2022 then i would say

wait until they iron out the problems
let numpties like canyons be the guinea pigs.

as for aisin gear boxes.
they are owned by toyota  ::) ::)
please find where aquascoot has been anythiong other then supportive of toyota  ::)

the 2.5 litre turbo diesel in the triton is virtually unchanged since 2010.



They must have changed it since its a 2.4

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 11:52am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 10:50am: aquascoot wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 8:52pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 6:18pm: yes, technology has changed I am becoming more amenable to a higher tech motors. Their advantages far outweigh any concerns. The new Mitsi 2.4 litre diesel. http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/2017/11/html/M211200010266000ENG.HTM http://mmc-manuals.ru/manuals/l200_v/online/Service_Manual/img/11/ACE03682AB00ENG.png Great torque from 1600 --> 2700 rpm. It'll rev beautifully, mated with an 8 speed Aisin Auto transmission. scotty agrees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYnYkx8Rwp0 But that Mitsubishi-Aisin combination is high tech and new, it must fail under the aqua rules. rubbish, the 2.5 litre turbo diesel in the triton is virtually unchanged since 2010. i would have said wait a few years in 2010 until they iron out any flaws. the early ones had a lot of carbonated intakes. they ironed this out in 2012 and its been reliable ever since. so you have 10 years of proven technology in a car which is number 10 on the sales figures for oz. so , yes buy one. they are proven old school technology with a long model run. if mistsubishi tried to appeal tio numpties (like you) and brought out  a new engine for 2022 then i would say wait until they iron out the problems let numpties like canyons be the guinea pigs. as for aisin gear boxes. they are owned by toyota  ::) ::) please find where aquascoot has been anythiong other then supportive of toyota  ::)

Its more you crapping on about low tech being better.

High technology in motor vehicles is being driven by two factors

Firstly the Europeans have very very strict fuel economy and emission standards and so a lot of extra garbage has to be put on the vehicles to try to meet those standards
Including a lot of recirculating hot exhaust gases which of course heats up the engine even further as well as recirculating particulate matter through the engine and the valves and this makes engines failed earlier

VW admitted this themselves
When they faked their emissions readings to try to get engines approved
Strict standards and engine longevity are not mutually compatible


The second problem is that it is a lot easier and cheaper for the manufacturer is to run as many systems as possible using electronics
This ties the consumer to the manufacturer as the consumer does not have the software
And it also means that expensive computerize systems
As in expensive to work on and replace
Are running things which is to be run reliably through mechanical methods

A computerized system to run the handbrake on an Audi Quattro costs $1,500 to replace when it fails
Previous to that you could buy a length of wire for $3 and fix the handbrake yourself

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 12:16pm:

High technology in motor vehicles is being driven by two factors Firstly the Europeans have very very strict fuel economy and emission standards and so a lot of extra garbage has to be put on the vehicles to try to meet those standards Including a lot of recirculating hot exhaust gases which of course heats up the engine even further as well as recirculating particulate matter through the engine and the valves and this makes engines failed earlier VW admitted this themselves When they faked their emissions readings to try to get engines approved Strict standards and engine longevity are not mutually compatible The second problem is that it is a lot easier and cheaper for the manufacturer is to run as many systems as possible using electronics This ties the consumer to the manufacturer as the consumer does not have the software And it also means that expensive computerize systems As in expensive to work on and replace Are running things which is to be run reliably through mechanical methods A computerized system to run the handbrake on an Audi Quattro costs $1,500 to replace when it fails Previous to that you could buy a length of wire for $3 and fix the handbrake yourself

So which is it high tech or low tech.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 12:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 12:16pm: High technology in motor vehicles is being driven by two factors Firstly the Europeans have very very strict fuel economy and emission standards and so a lot of extra garbage has to be put on the vehicles to try to meet those standards Including a lot of recirculating hot exhaust gases which of course heats up the engine even further as well as recirculating particulate matter through the engine and the valves and this makes engines failed earlier VW admitted this themselves When they faked their emissions readings to try to get engines approved Strict standards and engine longevity are not mutually compatible The second problem is that it is a lot easier and cheaper for the manufacturer is to run as many systems as possible using electronics This ties the consumer to the manufacturer as the consumer does not have the software And it also means that expensive computerize systems As in expensive to work on and replace Are running things which is to be run reliably through mechanical methods A computerized system to run the handbrake on an Audi Quattro costs $1,500 to replace when it fails Previous to that you could buy a length of wire for $3 and fix the handbrake yourself So which is it high tech or low tech.

low tech....good for a long lasting reliable vehicle that you can service yourself and save money

high tech....good for corporations and governments as you have a vehicle which will require a lot of workers to service the regular breakdowns thus creating a lot of economic activity.  the disposable society is much beloved of corporations and governments .   think of cars now in the way you think of phones.
high tech peices of kit which you cannot work on and which you just junk every 5 years and buy a new one.

not my idea of common sense but good for the unthinking masses like yourself who are impressed by machines that go ping  ::) ::) ::)

Weird then given that by comparison to the stuff you like the Mitsu engine and Aisin tranny are high tech., But hey the one consistency you have aqua is you're inconsistent

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 1:13pm:

Weird then given that by comparison to the stuff you like the Mitsu engine and Aisin tranny are high tech., But hey the one consistency you have aqua is you're inconsistent

so an engine that is unchanged for over a decade is "novel and high tech"

one thing about you is your arrogant stupidity

Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 1:52pm:

Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is. Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel) To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]

you appear confused.

i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's

BUT

if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 2:03pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm: Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is. Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel) To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11] you appear confused. i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's BUT if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" ::) ::) ::)

a
Inconsistent again, got you.

I drive a small car. Going up Mount Archer, I will stick to using the automatic transmission. But, coming down the hill, I have to put the transmission into 2nd gear. I learned a long time ago that your brakes overheat from overuse.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 2:05pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm: Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is. Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel) To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11] you appear confused. i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's BUT if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" ::) ::) ::) a Inconsistent again, got you.

pedantic, arrogant and unhelpful again, got you

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:05pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm: Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is. Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel) To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11] you appear confused. i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's BUT if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" ::) ::) ::) a Inconsistent again, got you. pedantic, arrogant and unhelpful again, got you

Why bother helping someone who has his head so far up his horses arse he won't listen. And pedantism is  relevant. Too little factchecking in the world.

i am trying to advice people to buy older proven machinery in the hope of saving them from suffering a loss.

how noble.

you are criticising such a noble act.

how ugly


:'( :'( :'( :'(

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I drive a small car. Going up Mount Archer, I will stick to using the automatic transmission. But, coming down the hill, I have to put the transmission into 2nd gear. I learned a long time ago that your brakes overheat from overuse.

yes

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................ Hi Guys, An update from me. Have bought a new van weighs 2.3 tonne loaded. Towing at 90-95 on highway is averaging 19-21 l/100. have definately discovered to tow in 4th not 5th. The transmission fluid temperature rises too high and even though the revs are lower it is cooking the gears. The slightly higher revs (2300rpm) in 4th @ 95 kph is not using any more fuel but the trans temp is perfectly normal. It is virtually a 1;1 ratio. You will use more fuel towing in 5th and I reckon you will definately damage the gearbox overtime and start to lose gears etc. Just my 2 bobs worth........... ........  Hi guys, I have a v6 2008 GXL with Unichip and Pacemaker extractors... otherwise mostly standard except for sovereign bar, cargo barrier, engel etc. This is a blacktop tourer I mainly use to pull a 2,000kg van. I recently did a 6,000 km trip Perth to the Barossa and return, and average fuel burn was 17.2 lt/100km (total average, van on and van off). I towed in 4th gear at 95km (GPS), and drove to fuel economy, eng temp and trans oil temp data as displayed by the Scangauge. In 4th gear the motor and trans ran cooler, fuel burn was more favourable and the motor was coasting rather than stressing (as it would be if I was in 5th gear and in/out of overdrive). Overall a hassle free trip that came in under budget. Cheers Greg............ ............. Dan, i have a similar mindset as you in that I bought a v6 Prado (rather than a diesel) to tow my 2400kg enclosed car trailer once a month cos fuel economy to me is secondary and of much more interest to me is to be able to drive at a reasonable pace up and downhills, so a sluggish diesel was never going to cut it. anyway, I usually tow in 4th as recommended. ive now fitted a scan gauge and so can monitor trans temps and so have started using 5th dropping it back to 4th when the convertor starts slipping, and temps start to rise. last trip to Winton towing the trailer was ~20l/100 average in 4th all the way, mostly on cruise at 110k.   .................. .................

https://www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/-120-series-discussion-only/engine-petrol-120-series/2031-towing-economy-v6-petrol-120-series/page5

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 3:16pm:

i am trying to advice people to buy older proven machinery in the hope of saving them from suffering a loss. how noble. you are criticising such a noble act. how ugly :'( :'( :'( :'(

Not the act you. I think its misgudied.

High tech doesn't always mean better

The electric power steering on my 2016 Kia Cerato is the worst steering I've ever experienced. I've owned a lot of different brand cars over the years, but this Kia has only done 35,000ks and still under warranty, previous elderly lady owner

The steering is stiff and notchy at speeds above 40kh, the Kia dealer said it's normal. I fitted brand new tires and over-inflated them from 32 to 38, got the wheel alignment checked and adjusted, but still there's a "stiff" feel to the steering. This is not high-tech, it's just bullshit

My old Corolla was heaps better and it had no power steering at all. That Corolla also had an Aisian auto, said to be 3sp, but it had a 4th gear overdrive that you never knew it had unless you carefully listened to the revs or felt the very slight hesitation of the car when going up a grade. Never felt it go into that gear though, there was no switch for it. I miss that gearbox, it was pretty good

The Kia has high-tech stuff for the engine, brakes, millage read-out and other sensors, but the rest of the car is very ordinary. The door catches and handles act like, and are no better than old Kelvinator fridge doors, before magnetic door seals. The hatch door opens and closes a bit like a tilting garage door and if it's not closed fully, the battery goes flat, you may not know. The bonnet must be slammed down to shut it, gently pushing it down will dent the sheet metal because the bonnet is that hard to close. You can feel every change from the auto box most of the time, and the curved side rear-view mirrors give a false impression of how far traffic is away from you ... and then there is the terrible power steering, not worth a pinch

One saving grace is the low fuel consumption, but only if driven at moderate speeds, fast speeds on or over speed limits just ruins fuel economy, it's then equal to my 3.0L diesel van

However, on one long stretch on the way home from town, I get 4.3 Lts/100ks from the Kia, but that's in 5th gear, not 6th, and doing 70-80 kh. 5th gear takes load off the motor and the accelerator pedal is not pressed down as far, so not as much fuel is needed. The 4.3 was displaying on the dash millage computer read-out. The engine is a 1.8lt, so, not bad in that regard

but it doesn't always mean worse either.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 4:58pm:

but it doesn't always mean worse either.

I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 5:13pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm: but it doesn't always mean worse either. I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all

But it doesn't in many other respects. FMD.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 5:18pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:13pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm: but it doesn't always mean worse either. I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all But it doesn't in many other respects. FMD.

I didn't say it was

For lowering fuel consumption it's been very beneficial to reduce pollution and for cost saving ... but for electric power steering, they might as well go back to hydraulic power steering, it was easy smooth steering at all speeds, and if it failed, the vehicle can still be steered without a lot of extra effort, much safer than electric steering   

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 12:16pm:

VW admitted this themselves When they faked their emissions readings to try to get engines approved Strict standards and engine longevity are not mutually compatible

They can be, a modern 6 with it's design and lubricants will do a lot more miles than the 80-100k miles you would get out of a Holden red 179 EH. VW had to cheat because their engine wasn't up to scratch for modern standards. Running an engine lean for eg when it's on test or at any time will cause heat, wear and oil breakdown. BTW, I do not know what VW did to fudge the tests but I'd suspect the ECU could detect testing to a degree or they could be switched to it.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 4:55pm:

High tech doesn't always mean better The electric power steering on my 2016 Kia Cerato is the worst steering I've ever experienced. I've owned a lot of different brand cars over the years, but this Kia has only done 35,000ks and still under warranty, previous elderly lady owner The steering is stiff and notchy at speeds above 40kh, the Kia dealer said it's normal. I fitted brand new tires and over-inflated them from 32 to 38, got the wheel alignment checked and adjusted, but still there's a "stiff" feel to the steering. This is not high-tech, it's just bullshit My old Corolla was heaps better and it had no power steering at all. That Corolla also had an Aisian auto, said to be 3sp, but it had a 4th gear overdrive that you never knew it had unless you carefully listened to the revs or felt the very slight hesitation of the car when going up a grade. Never felt it go into that gear though, there was no switch for it. I miss that gearbox, it was pretty good The Kia has high-tech stuff for the engine, brakes, millage read-out and other sensors, but the rest of the car is very ordinary. The door catches and handles act like, and are no better than old Kelvinator fridge doors, before magnetic door seals. The hatch door opens and closes a bit like a tilting garage door and if it's not closed fully, the battery goes flat, you may not know. The bonnet must be slammed down to shut it, gently pushing it down will dent the sheet metal because the bonnet is that hard to close. You can feel every change from the auto box most of the time, and the curved side rear-view mirrors give a false impression of how far traffic is away from you ... and then there is the terrible power steering, not worth a pinch One saving grace is the low fuel consumption, but only if driven at moderate speeds, fast speeds on or over speed limits just ruins fuel economy, it's then equal to my 3.0L diesel van However, on one long stretch on the way home from town, I get 4.3 Lts/100ks from the Kia, but that's in 5th gear, not 6th, and doing 70-80 kh. 5th gear takes load off the motor and the accelerator pedal is not pressed down as far, so not as much fuel is needed. The 4.3 was displaying on the dash millage computer read-out. The engine is a 1.8lt, so, not bad in that regard

great review, thanks

Hari om tat sat

Setanta wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 7:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 12:16pm: VW admitted this themselves When they faked their emissions readings to try to get engines approved Strict standards and engine longevity are not mutually compatible They can be, a modern 6 with it's design and lubricants will do a lot more miles than the 80-100k miles you would get out of a Holden red 179 EH. VW had to cheat because their engine wasn't up to scratch for modern standards. Running an engine lean for eg when it's on test or at any time will cause heat, wear and oil breakdown. BTW, I do not know what VW did to fudge the tests but I'd suspect the ECU could detect testing to a degree or they could be switched to it.

various scams like "stop start " technology to turn the engine off at a red light or
shutting down 1/2 the cylinders in a 8 or 6 are designed to try to get good figures to pass european emssions and fuel consumption tests.

they are probably bad for the engine.

and a few dollars saved in fuel is nothing compared to reduced longevity

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 4:55pm:

High tech doesn't always mean better The electric power steering on my 2016 Kia Cerato is the worst steering I've ever experienced. I've owned a lot of different brand cars over the years, but this Kia has only done 35,000ks and still under warranty, previous elderly lady owner The steering is stiff and notchy at speeds above 40kh, the Kia dealer said it's normal. I fitted brand new tires and over-inflated them from 32 to 38, got the wheel alignment checked and adjusted, but still there's a "stiff" feel to the steering. This is not high-tech, it's just bullshit My old Corolla was heaps better and it had no power steering at all. That Corolla also had an Aisian auto, said to be 3sp, but it had a 4th gear overdrive that you never knew it had unless you carefully listened to the revs or felt the very slight hesitation of the car when going up a grade. Never felt it go into that gear though, there was no switch for it. I miss that gearbox, it was pretty good The Kia has high-tech stuff for the engine, brakes, millage read-out and other sensors, but the rest of the car is very ordinary. The door catches and handles act like, and are no better than old Kelvinator fridge doors, before magnetic door seals. The hatch door opens and closes a bit like a tilting garage door and if it's not closed fully, the battery goes flat, you may not know. The bonnet must be slammed down to shut it, gently pushing it down will dent the sheet metal because the bonnet is that hard to close. You can feel every change from the auto box most of the time, and the curved side rear-view mirrors give a false impression of how far traffic is away from you ... and then there is the terrible power steering, not worth a pinch One saving grace is the low fuel consumption, but only if driven at moderate speeds, fast speeds on or over speed limits just ruins fuel economy, it's then equal to my 3.0L diesel van However, on one long stretch on the way home from town, I get 4.3 Lts/100ks from the Kia, but that's in 5th gear, not 6th, and doing 70-80 kh. 5th gear takes load off the motor and the accelerator pedal is not pressed down as far, so not as much fuel is needed. The 4.3 was displaying on the dash millage computer read-out. The engine is a 1.8lt, so, not bad in that regard

A long time ago I borrowed a Corolla.
Magnificent car. VERY solid, had the feeling it would run forever.

about 3 years ago I had a hyundai as a rental, so it was a new car.
Awful thing. Same as you said.
Tinny, cheap, was NOT made to last a decade.

Setanta wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 7:17pm:

a modern 6 with it's design and lubricants will do a lot more miles than the 80-100k miles you would get out of a Holden red 179 EH

There's more nickel in modern engine metals. The Japanese were hungry for nickel in the 60's and 70's and Qld Nickel turned poor investors into millionaires. Nickel is slipperier than cast iron so, more nickel in the cast iron and steel, longer wearing