2016 Camry Altise for Sale
$20,500

Seems a lot to me.
5 years old, was say $33K when new.
depreciates $3K a year !



Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise and tops out at $40,440 plus on-roads for the hybrid-equipped Atara SL. The only price change for the 2016-model is a $1500 increase for the Atara SX variant.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/201 ... fications/

"carrs"

MenstrualCyclist has moved on after inventing the shifting spanner and the hammer.

Expect a selfie of MenstrualCyclist on Mars next.

The link is here:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/


The Altise is very popular -
they have an excellent reliability so the price is high.


Quote:

Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise

Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car.
How do you know that the previous owner didn't
thrash the guts out of it?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

The link is here: https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/ The Altise is very popular - they have an excellent reliability so the price is high. Quote: Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car. How do you know that the previous owner didn't thrash the guts out of it?

I don't.

The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months.

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months.

Do you think these prices will decline soon?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:48pm: The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months. Do you think these prices will decline soon?

When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:53pm: lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:48pm: The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months. Do you think these prices will decline soon? When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

Thank you

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:08am: The link is here: https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/ The Altise is very popular - they have an excellent reliability so the price is high. Quote: Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car. How do you know that the previous owner didn't thrash the guts out of it? I don't.

That's right so be careful.
Does the RACV do compression tests when they test a car for you?
That will tell if the engine has been thrashed - low compression.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 3:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:08am: The link is here: https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/ The Altise is very popular - they have an excellent reliability so the price is high. Quote: Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car. How do you know that the previous owner didn't thrash the guts out of it? I don't. That's right so be careful. Does the RACV do compression tests when they test a car for you? That will tell if the engine has been thrashed - low compression.

It won't tell you that at all. It will tell you how close to spec the compression ratio is. If compression is low on all cyls it would indicate worn rings/possibly bore. Low compression on one cyl can indicate valve or head problems. Reasonable variance but low compression across cyls would just be old age, worn pistons/rings/bore all around.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

It won't tell you that at all. It will tell you how close to spec the compression ratio is. If compression is low on all cyls it would indicate worn rings/possibly bore. Low compression on one cyl can indicate valve or head problems. Reasonably variance but low compression across cyls would just be old age, worn pistons/rings/bore all around.

But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down
then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:40pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 3:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:08am: The link is here: https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/ The Altise is very popular - they have an excellent reliability so the price is high. Quote: Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car. How do you know that the previous owner didn't thrash the guts out of it? I don't. That's right so be careful. Does the RACV do compression tests when they test a car for you? That will tell if the engine has been thrashed - low compression. It won't tell you that at all. It will tell you how close to spec the compression ratio is. If compression is low on all cyls it would indicate worn rings/possibly bore. Low compression on one cyl can indicate valve or head problems. Reasonably variance but low compression across cyls would just be old age, worn pistons/rings/bore all around. But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed.

Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:00pm: But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed. Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

It's a 5 year old car.
If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then
sure it will have low compression and
I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it.
In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:00pm: But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed. Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles? It's a 5 year old car. If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then sure it will have low compression and I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it. In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price.

I could sell you my VR SS Commodore for half of that. Never towed a caravan. Original 217KKs. It would tow your caravan no probs.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:53pm: lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:48pm: The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months. Do you think these prices will decline soon? When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

A couple of years to catch up.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:14pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:00pm: But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed. Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles? It's a 5 year old car. If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then sure it will have low compression and I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it. In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price. I could sell you my VR SS Commodore for half of that. Never towed a caravan. Original 217KKs. It would tow your caravan no probs.

My old car has less kms than that.   ;D

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:53pm: lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:48pm: The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months. Do you think these prices will decline soon? When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

good post chu.

but its also the fact that aussies normally spend 65 billion a year on overseas travel and now that is being spent on cars, caravans , boats  and tractors  ;).

higher demand = higher prices.

toyota and mazda (who collaborate quite a lot) and honda are solvent companies and dont have to cut corners.

nissan and gm have had to get injections of capital from fiat and renault and then you have land rover and peugot and all the struggling brands trying to team up and it just becomes a bit of a catastrophe.

you would not be advised to buy a car made by any of the above listed companies.

stick to toyota, honda and mazda in my books.
you wont go far wrong.

learn how to change oil, the 3 filters, transmission fluid , coolant and do those things REGULARLY.
even more regularly then the service recommends

and dont go to a dealer.

they employ pimply faced , dope smoking 17 yo numpties.

learn to do it yourself.

all the info is on youtube.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:39pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:21pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:53pm: lee wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 6:48pm: The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months. Do you think these prices will decline soon? When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply. good post chu. but its also the fact that aussies normally spend 65 billion a year on overseas travel and now that is being spent on cars, caravans , boats  and tractors  ;). higher demand = higher prices. toyota and mazda (who collaborate quite a lot) and honda are solvent companies and dont have to cut corners. nissan and gm have had to get injections of capital from fiat and renault and then you have land rover and peugot and all the struggling brands trying to team up and it just becomes a bit of a catastrophe. you would not be advised to buy a car made by any of the above listed companies. stick to toyota, honda and mazda in my books. you wont go far wrong. learn how to change oil, the 3 filters, transmission fluid , coolant and do those things REGULARLY. even more regularly then the service recommends and dont go to a dealer. they employ pimply faced , dope smoking 17 yo numpties. learn to do it yourself. all the info is on youtube.

yeah , and void the warranty.

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties.

they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly.

if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years.

then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another.

good business model for businesses dealing with numpties.

the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services.

i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:14pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:00pm: But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed. Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles? It's a 5 year old car. If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then sure it will have low compression and I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it. In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price. I could sell you my VR SS Commodore for half of that. Never towed a caravan. Original 217KKs. It would tow your caravan no probs.

You might want to hang onto that. Prices on some Commodores are going nuts.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:39pm:

and dont go to a dealer

Dealers are a ripp off. Find another mechanic who knows what he;s doing. That way your warranty is safe.

Wouldn't buy a used Bob Carr if you paid me....

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:00pm: Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 7:40pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 3:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:08am: The link is here: https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications/ The Altise is very popular - they have an excellent reliability so the price is high. Quote: Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car. How do you know that the previous owner didn't thrash the guts out of it? I don't. That's right so be careful. Does the RACV do compression tests when they test a car for you? That will tell if the engine has been thrashed - low compression. It won't tell you that at all. It will tell you how close to spec the compression ratio is. If compression is low on all cyls it would indicate worn rings/possibly bore. Low compression on one cyl can indicate valve or head problems. Reasonably variance but low compression across cyls would just be old age, worn pistons/rings/bore all around. But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed. Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

By type of use, do you mean whether it has been thrashed?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:59pm:

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties. they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly. if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years. then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another. good business model for businesses dealing with numpties. the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services. i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a  reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped.  Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway.

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:59pm: warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties. they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly. if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years. then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another. good business model for businesses dealing with numpties. the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services. i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a  reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped.  Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway.

Not much choice anyway, most cars are sold with capped price servicing for the warranty period, which is cheaper than Indys.

Gordon wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:17pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:59pm: warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties. they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly. if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years. then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another. good business model for businesses dealing with numpties. the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services. i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a  reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped.  Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway. Not much choice anyway, most cars are sold with capped price servicing for the warranty period, which is cheaper than Indys.

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:46am:

Wouldn't buy a used Bob Carr if you paid me....

It's like marrying a divorcee??? A lottery?

Buying a new car is often a lottery, come to think of it, with results announced in a few years.

Grappler doesn't need a used "carr". He has a well-used and excessively lubricated MenstrualCyclist which takes him from point A to point Z without stops.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 11:31am: Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:25pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 2:18pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 11:31am: Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense. But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back.

  :D

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 11:31am: Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

really

and do you believe it is in the financial interest of automakers to have a vibrant used car market (where they make zero dollars) or a market where everyone has to go back to the manufacturer and buy a new vehicle .

i think it may be rhino who has zero business sense  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.





aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm:

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:08pm: rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

thanks for agreeing with me.

now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years.

Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:19pm: I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:08pm: rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about. thanks for agreeing with me. now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures ;D ;D

Everything is a money making venture you tool, we live in a capitalist society. As I pointed out to you it is not necassary to take your car to the dealer for book services. What sort of idiot buys a new car and then totally destroys the value by not doing the book services. Oh, wait. we know what sort of idiot.

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:21pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:54pm: yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive. they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450

Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D

how is it logical to not spend $2000 to gain over $10,000? get checked mate, really.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:37pm:

Quote: But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back.   :D

It's true... He sent us a clip of it... (viewer discretion is advised).

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 5:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:19pm: I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:08pm: rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about. thanks for agreeing with me. now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures ;D ;D Everything is a money making venture you tool, we live in a capitalist society. As I pointed out to you it is not necassary to take your car to the dealer for book services. What sort of idiot buys a new car and then totally destroys the value by not doing the book services. Oh, wait. we know what sort of idiot.

christ, your stupidity is worse then i thought.

i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP.

and i'm saying the way they make money off their fixed price servicing is by doing bugger all at the services

seriously,   i cant accept anymore white flags from you, my garage is full of them and i cant get to the car to change the oil every 7,500km (thats probably stretched out to 20,000 by those "built in redundancy " manufacturers ) ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 11:31am: Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years. Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now

sprint, coolant is cheap.
when coolant gets dirty (which it certainly does by 7 years) the suspended grit eats away at your head gasket.

blow the head and its bye bye car.

why not spend 100 bucks every 3 years and change it

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 5:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 11:31am: Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years. Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now sprint, coolant is cheap. when coolant gets dirty (which it certainly does by 7 years) the suspended grit eats away at your head gasket. blow the head and its bye bye car. why not spend 100 bucks every 3 years and change it

I'd agree the likes of Mitsubishi do the minimum to get the car to survive the 10 year warranty period, while Lexus, Toyota and even Subaru trade on reliability so have more frequent service intervals. Toyota sell cheap boring cars at a premium, it's called Toyota tax.

Quote:

i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP

No they don't. It would destroy their reputation if all their cars died at 8 years old. They don't want it to happen, but it does because they cut every corner they can find in an effort to bring the price down.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:19pm: I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any. aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:08pm: rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument  ;D ;D It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about. thanks for agreeing with me. now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures ;D ;D

see, this is your stupidity shining through again ... I don't agree with you. You're claiming Toyota builds the cars to fail, Absolutely not. Toyota doesn't give a poo if the dealer makes money or not.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:21pm: rhino wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:54pm: yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive. they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450 Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is.

true ...what do you pay for your warranty service with the dealer? I had my family car serviced a couple of weeks ago and it cost me $280.

gordon

Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals.

The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020.

However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program.

so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie


10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case.

so....

its only covering the engine and tranny 
and its only good for 160,000 km.

i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years.

so a 10 year warranty  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::).

i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly).

also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:02pm:

Quote: i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP No they don't. It would destroy their reputation if all their cars died at 8 years old. They don't want it to happen, but it does because they cut every corner they can find in an effort to bring the price down.

i would say its more that they over engineer to

1  impress numpties
2  comply with emissions standards and fuel consumption standards

there is no way a turbo 1.3 l engine with a DPF filter and a CAT and a CVT transmission, and direct injection and an electric assisted power steering rack is going to last long .

it cant be done.

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

thats fine in germany or france or japan where they do less then 10 k a year.
in oz we all do double that

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm:

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car.

I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it.

i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 5:34pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 4:21pm: rhino wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:54pm: yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive. they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450 Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is. true ...what do you pay for your warranty service with the dealer? I had my family car serviced a couple of weeks ago and it cost me $280.

Depends, 1st service is $300, my wife doesnt do a lot of ks, we spend about $2000 over 4 years on the book services. With a new car you just have to get the book services done or you destroy the resale value, first thing thats asked when you go to sell, are the book services done?

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:18pm:

also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void

No, the warranty transfers to the new owner. is there anything you do know?

Quote:

In nearly every case, automotive warranties are based on the vehicle identification number (VIN), and the new car warranty will be valid for the full term regardless of ownership. In other words, if you buy a new car and later sell it to someone else, the warranty will still remain valid for the new owner until the end of the original warranty period.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/buying-car-factory-warranty-transferable-228454

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks

My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

gordon Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals. The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020. However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program. so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie 10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case. so.... its only covering the engine and tranny  and its only good for 160,000 km. i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years. so a 10 year warranty  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::). i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly).

Yes, is quite achievable.
Put an auto fluid radiator on it, change the fluids oftenish, drive it smoothly, lots of highway kms.
Quite achievable

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

anything over 200 000k's and you'll have to practically give it away to sell it... 300 000 ks and your only buyer will be a scrap metal yard who might give you $100 for it

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:18pm: also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void No, the warranty transfers to the new owner. is there anything you do know? Quote: In nearly every case, automotive warranties are based on the vehicle identification number (VIN), and the new car warranty will be valid for the full term regardless of ownership. In other words, if you buy a new car and later sell it to someone else, the warranty will still remain valid for the new owner until the end of the original warranty period. https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/buying-car-factory-warranty-transferable-228454

rhino, you gotta stop buddy.
i am drwoning in white flags


from mitsubishis OWN WEBSITE

The exception is the 10-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty. For subsequent owners, the Mitsubishi powertrain warranty is five years or 60,000 miles instead.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

christ, i'd be buying the missus a new car every 18 months  ;D ;D

I agree its achievable with some cars to obtain high mileage if you look after them, taxis routinely do over 500 k I believe. But the motor may still be going and everything else is falling to pieces, seats etc. Some of the better engineered cars can get really high mileage like beamers and mercs but very expensive to maintain.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:13pm: gordon Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals. The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020. However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program. so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie 10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case. so.... its only covering the engine and tranny  and its only good for 160,000 km. i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years. so a 10 year warranty  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::). i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly). Yes, is quite achievable. Put an auto fluid cooler on it, change the fluids oftenish, drive it smoothly, lots of highway kms. Quite achievable

excellent suggestion sprint

especially if towing with an auto

you heat up that tranny and its bye bye tranny much sooner.

and if a new tranny costs 8 to 10 grand it may be bye bye car .

i only frive manuals.
the wife drives and auto
hence the tranny cooler .

if you are in a manual you can spare the tranny by driving in a lower gear.
you either generate heat in the engine or the tranny.
its better to abuse the engine a bit then abuse the tranny

put a thermometer in the tranny as well.
you can hook up a scan tool and display the live data

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:43pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:18pm: also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void No, the warranty transfers to the new owner. is there anything you do know? Quote: In nearly every case, automotive warranties are based on the vehicle identification number (VIN), and the new car warranty will be valid for the full term regardless of ownership. In other words, if you buy a new car and later sell it to someone else, the warranty will still remain valid for the new owner until the end of the original warranty period. https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/buying-car-factory-warranty-transferable-228454 rhino, you gotta stop buddy. i am drwoning in white flags from mitsubishis OWN WEBSITE The exception is the 10-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty. For subsequent owners, the Mitsubishi powertrain warranty is five years or 60,000 miles instead.

I haven't looked at the website but I believe the 5 years car + 5 ywars power train was before the new 10 year whole car deal.

It's now either 7 years with your own mechanic or 10 years with Mitsu 'Diamond Advantage-.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:43pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:18pm: also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void No, the warranty transfers to the new owner. is there anything you do know? Quote: In nearly every case, automotive warranties are based on the vehicle identification number (VIN), and the new car warranty will be valid for the full term regardless of ownership. In other words, if you buy a new car and later sell it to someone else, the warranty will still remain valid for the new owner until the end of the original warranty period. https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/buying-car-factory-warranty-transferable-228454 rhino, you gotta stop buddy. i am drwoning in white flags from mitsubishis OWN WEBSITE The exception is the 10-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty. For subsequent owners, the Mitsubishi powertrain warranty is five years or 60,000 miles instead.

get yourself checked,seriously

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:18pm:

also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void

yeah gordon but if you sell it, the new owner reverts to a 5 year 100,000 drivetrain warranty.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:35pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most. christ, i'd be buying the missus a new car every 18 months  ;D ;D

Im considering that as well.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:51pm:

yeah gordon but if you sell it, the new owner reverts to a 5 year 100,000 drivetrain warranty.

So not void then like you claimed? You know what void means, right?

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:51pm: yeah gordon but if you sell it, the new owner reverts to a 5 year 100,000 drivetrain warranty. So not void then like you claimed? You know what void means, right?

um, if you sell it at 7 years when YOU still have 3 years of warranty the new owner gets NOTHING. it is VOID  ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:42pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:13pm: gordon Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals. The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020. However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program. so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie 10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case. so.... its only covering the engine and tranny  and its only good for 160,000 km. i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years. so a 10 year warranty  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::). i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly). Yes, is quite achievable. Put an auto fluid cooler on it, change the fluids oftenish, drive it smoothly, lots of highway kms. Quite achievable excellent suggestion sprint especially if towing with an auto you heat up that tranny and its bye bye tranny much sooner. and if a new tranny costs 8 to 10 grand it may be bye bye car . i only frive manuals. the wife drives and auto hence the tranny cooler . if you are in a manual you can spare the tranny by driving in a lower gear. you either generate heat in the engine or the tranny. its better to abuse the engine a bit then abuse the tranny put a thermometer in the tranny as well. you can hook up a scan tool and display the live data

I did not realise that about manual transmissions.
So if they are 'spinning' they get hotter?

My thinking of an auto, if doing heavy work, keep the revs up so it does not slip.
Lock it into a lower gear. Not silly low.
Just keep the revs up to 2000 ish or more when doing heavy work.

Going up the tamborine mountain I lock the 5 speed auto into 3rd or 2nd on the way up.
2nd gear on the way down.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

..............  My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

That would probably work very well really.
Look at the advantages. Pretty good.

sprint

a certain ammount of heat will be produced to do a certain ammount of work (i think its the second law of thermodynamics)

so going up a hill pulling a van you will get increased heat in the engine or increased heat in the transmission .

if you keep it in a lower gear, you are making more of that heat appear in the engine and engines can generally tolerate that better then transmission.

when you heat up tranny oil, firstly cvt oil is very expensive and secondly its a lot harder to change (the issue of sealed units  :'( :'().

engine oil is easy to replace.

dont listen to this mumbo jumbo about 15 or 20,000 km service intervals.

do your oil twice as often as they recoomend and use a good quality synthetic oil.

especially if you have a turbo.

dirty oil wont lube your turbo as well, it will create more gunk to clog the intake it will clog the DPF, it will affect the CAT and when the CAT gets a bit clogged , the engine heats up as exhaust gases cant escape as well.

there is nothing better you can do then change it all the time as well as your air filter and fuel filter . and your radiator fluid , brake fluid.

dirty fluids act like cutting compounds and they wreck seals .

change them all the time

even get a big 50 ml syringe and change a bit of your power steering and brake fluid every 6 months so its always getting a freshen up

oh and sprint,  i dont belive in engine braking except as a safety measure.

use your brakes.

brake pads are cheap.

clutches and engines are dear.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:55pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:52pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:51pm: yeah gordon but if you sell it, the new owner reverts to a 5 year 100,000 drivetrain warranty. So not void then like you claimed? You know what void means, right? um, if you sell it at 7 years when YOU still have 3 years of warranty the new owner gets NOTHING. it is VOID  ::) ::)

yes, we know that.  That wasnt your claim. Just admit you got it wrong and move on.  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

If you can pay half the price for a car that gives you half the kilometers, most people will choose the cheaper option.

OK so Mitsu has 5 years standard warranty and 5 if you service with them.
Nothing on their website about transferability, could be a fine print thing.

It's possible tho because you get the extra 5 years on a program called Diamond advantage.

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:26pm: aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm: you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car. they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car. I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it. i'd consider it just broken in at that figure If you can pay half the price for a car that gives you half the kilometers, most people will choose the cheaper option.

well

1  thats terrible for the environment
2  it means people are going to be facing inconvenient breakdowns and hassles,
who wants the starter motor to die the day you are driving your kid to a uni exam or 1/2 way thru your grey nomad caravan tour

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it means people are going to be facing inconvenient breakdowns and hassles,

Not necessarily. If the failure is more predictable, you don't go through the usual process at the end of life. Taken to the extreme, imagine if everything in the car failed on the same day on the tenth birthday, the day after you drop it off at the woke, environmentally conscious auto recyclers.

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

I agree its achievable with some cars to obtain high mileage if you look after them, taxis routinely do over 500 k I believe. .

Taxis were getting 500K km back when they used HQ-HJ Holdens with a 202 6 cyl.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 17^th, 2021 at 6:11pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:48pm: I agree its achievable with some cars to obtain high mileage if you look after them, taxis routinely do over 500 k I believe. . Taxis were getting 500K km back when they used HQ-HJ Holdens with a 202 6 cyl.

I know a taxi fleet operator, hes getting over 500,000 from his cars. He tried to sell me a second hand one actually, a Ford, everything was clapped out except the motor. Maybe Ozzie could weigh in with his experience.

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aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

oh and sprint,  i dont belive in engine braking except as a safety measure. use your brakes. brake pads are cheap. clutches and engines are dear.

Engine braking was done back in the old days when cars had crappy brakes it's not needed with modern cars.

Brake pads are cheap and easy to replace brake fluid also needs changing it absorbs water and goes off in the caliper. Put a clear tube on bleeding nipple and bleed them until you see clean new fluid and the pistons in caliper don't rust which means brakes last longer before caliper rebuild.It's no big deal to put new seals in brakes replacing pistons will jack the cost up.

Clutches are expensive in front wheel drive cars as they usually pull engine out, with rear wheel drive less labor much cheaper.

Manuals don't usually need gearbox oil to be replaced which makes them cheaper than autos long term. Autos need gearbox oil changed frequently when oil color changes the pan has to be dropped to change filter CVT are the same they just use a more expensive oil.

Dealer services are a rip off they don't always replace what service guide says they inspect it if it still looks ok they leave it. With most modern cars the service is mainly change the oil and inspect things which is done by an apprentice. If you want to look for a mechanic to do services never choose one who has very little work on they always find poo that doesn't need doing to help pay their bills find one who is always busy.

Had ABS fail on my Lancer VRX Mitsubishi wanted $2800 to replace ABS pump. I know someone who rebuilds ABS pumps took it out to his workshop pulled it out took him an hour to rebuild it then i fitted it then bled the brakes cost me just under $400 to rebuild ABS pump.

Modern cars are easy to work on if you have an OBD2 scanner plug it in and it will tell you what is wrong.

I still do my own servicing wouldn't let anyone touch my SS Torana

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 17th, 2021 at 6:11pm: rhino wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 7:48pm: I agree its achievable with some cars to obtain high mileage if you look after them, taxis routinely do over 500 k I believe. . Taxis were getting 500K km back when they used HQ-HJ Holdens with a 202 6 cyl. I know a taxi fleet operator, hes getting over 500,000 from his cars. He tried to sell me a second hand one actually, a Ford, everything was clapped out except the motor. Maybe Ozzie could weigh in with his experience.

They were getting a lot more kms than that from the HQ-HJ Holdens the government changed the law requiring taxis to be replaced after 4 years in NSW which made them upgrade to new cars.

Engines last longer on LPG it doesn't wash oil from the bores and contaminate oil like petrol does. Oil lasts longer with LPG cars.

If you pull engines apart the black carbon buildup below piston rings is blow by less of this with LPG and this carbon also contributes to bore wear.

Subaru sell a spray can of Upper Engine Cleaner for about $20 which they use with the WRX turbo to remove carbon buildup from piston crowns which glows and becomes incandescant which causes detonation that stuffs the engine. Great stuff cleans piston crowns intakes and valves back to bright shiny metal even frees up sticking piston rings. Pull the spark plugs out spray it down the hole then put the rest through intake manifold i do this every 50K.

I wouldn't buy a BM Trouble you or a Mercedes or a Honda because spare part costs are outrageous.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 17^th, 2021 at 6:37pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 8:14pm: oh and sprint,  i dont belive in engine braking except as a safety measure. use your brakes. brake pads are cheap. clutches and engines are dear. Engine braking was done back in the old days when cars had crappy brakes it's not needed with modern cars. Brake pads are cheap and easy to replace brake fluid also needs changing it absorbs water and goes off in the caliper. Put a clear tube on bleeding nipple and bleed them until you see clean new fluid and the pistons in caliper don't rust which means brakes last longer before caliper rebuild.It's no big deal to put new seals in brakes replacing pistons will jack the cost up. Clutches are expensive in front wheel drive cars as they usually pull engine out, with rear wheel drive less labor much cheaper. Manuals don't usually need gearbox oil to be replaced which makes them cheaper than autos long term. Autos need gearbox oil changed frequently when oil color changes the pan has to be dropped to change filter CVT are the same they just use a more expensive oil. Dealer services are a rip off they don't always replace what service guide says they inspect it if it still looks ok they leave it. With most modern cars the service is mainly change the oil and inspect things which is done by an apprentice. If you want to look for a mechanic to do services never choose one who has very little work on they always find poo that doesn't need doing to help pay their bills find one who is always busy. Had ABS fail on my Lancer VRX Mitsubishi wanted $2800 to replace ABS pump. I know someone who rebuilds ABS pumps took it out to his workshop pulled it out took him an hour to rebuild it then i fitted it then bled the brakes cost me just under $400 to rebuild ABS pump. Modern cars are easy to work on if you have an OBD2 scanner plug it in and it will tell you what is wrong. I still do my own servicing wouldn't let anyone touch my SS Torana

A SS Torana !!!!!!!!!!!!

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