Kurri gas plant could be running on diesel for months ::) ::)

Why is the government going to build a gas-fired power station at Kurri Kurri? ::) ::)

Because renewables are not reliables. ::)

And it will still leave a shortfall of 1000MW.

Mark Latham redeemed.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5516635638377730&id=1443789595662375&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

lee wrote on May 19^th, 2021 at 5:22pm:

Because renewables are not reliables. ::) And it will still leave a shortfall of 1000MW.

Renewable energy need not replace other energy sources. It is that renewable power sources like solar power would cut down on the use of fossil fuels as a resource. The number of people using solar panels on their homes has probably prevented brown outs and black outs since the early 2000s. Renewable energy is a good substitute resource when old measures are hard pressed.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 5:50pm:

lee wrote on May 19th, 2021 at 5:22pm: Because renewables are not reliables. ::) And it will still leave a shortfall of 1000MW. Renewable energy need not replace other energy sources. It is that renewable power sources like solar power would cut down on the use of fossil fuels as a resource. The number of people using solar panels on their homes has probably prevented brown outs and black outs since the early 2000s. Renewable energy is a good substitute resource when old measures are hard pressed.

All made in China.

Thanks but no thanks.

Clean coal/gas power for industry, Western/Australian made solar powers for suburban houses.
Wind turbines - the current folly of brutalist 50s urban architecture.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 5:50pm:

Renewable energy need not replace other energy sources.

If renewables are not replacing other energy sources then they are only a plaything. Renewables need batteries. Batteries cost money on top of the cost of the renewables. Or you retain fossil fuelled power as a "backup" for when the sun don't shine or the wind don't blow. You then have to pay for them as well as the weather dependent renewables.

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 5:50pm: Renewable energy need not replace other energy sources. If renewables are not replacing other energy sources then they are only a plaything. Renewables need batteries. Batteries cost money on top of the cost of the renewables. Or you retain fossil fuelled power as a "backup" for when the sun don't shine or the wind don't blow. You then have to pay for them as well as the weather dependent renewables.

You are not concerned about using renewables as a back up or coinciding with current power sources? Of course, batteries will cost a bit to put in place. But the savings on having these renewable energy sources available will outstrip the initial costs of installing them.

Curry gas?  ;D

Fossil fuels are solar energy captured a while back.  There is NO OTHER ENERGY on Earth. ALL of it is ultimately solar. Coal, gas, oil, wind, all of it. The Sun is the ONLY energy source for Earth.


Bicker on.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

You are not concerned about using renewables as a back up or coinciding with current power sources?

Apart from the fact they can't back up anything? If reliable energy goes down - what are the chances of having enough renewable energy?


UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

Of course, batteries will cost a bit to put in place.

Yes the 100MW battery in SA cost $90 million or thereabouts. So for 1000MW that is a cool $900 million and that won't power much for very long. And of course then you have to factor in battery life. Coal and gas plants can run for 50 years or longer. Batteries don't.

"And while batteries can provide stored power when other sources are down, most current batteries can deliver power only for several hours before needing to recharge. That makes them nearly useless during extended outages. . . . Most current storage batteries can discharge for four hours at most before needing to recharge."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/batteries-challenge-natural-gas-elecric-power-generation-11620236583

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

But the savings on having these renewable energy sources available will outstrip the initial costs of installing them.

Only IF they are heavily subsidised.

"According to the IEA, an average conventional car requires 22.3kg of copper and 11.2kg of manganese. An average electrical vehicle requires 53.2kg of copper, 8.9kg of lithium, 39.9kg of nickel, 24.9kg of manganese, 13.3kg of cobalt, 66.3kg of graphite, and 0.5kg of other rare earths.

Also, the IEA compares sources for power generation on a megawatt basis. Natural gas requires the least minerals; 1100 kg of copper and 48.3kg of chromium. Offshore wind requires the most minerals; 8,000kg of copper, 240kg of nickel, 790kg of manganese, 525kg of chromium, 109kg of molybdenum, 5500kg of zinc, and 239kg of rare earths.

If one adds the thousands of tons of concrete and steel that wind power needs for its foundations to both the energy and environmental impact of these mining operations, clean energy is not looking so clean. Mark Mills discussed the report in the Wall Street Journal which Paul Homewood reproduced in part. See links under Problems in the Orthodoxy."

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/05/17/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-445-3/

So one gas fired generator versus one wind generator. And solar is not much better. And those wind turbines and solar panels are all made using fossil fuel energy.

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:52pm:

Curry gas?  ;D

Thats Aussie after dinner, farting while watching Big Brother

;D ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:52pm:

Curry gas?  ;D

Wel, yes, par3rs of Western Sydney could be - what am I saying, are - powered by kurry gas...

Probably a good time for a new power station after the Callide power station had a fire and exploded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-25/qld-widespread-power-outages-across-the-state/100164200

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Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2021 at 7:52pm:

Curry gas?  ;D

Abundant supplies are free at Chez Gordon?

There would be no need for any fossil fuelled power stations if the nuclear option was used.  The Luddites in the government and environmental movement are responsible for the environmental damage caused by proceeding down the dead end of so called renewables instead of embracing the proven clean and safe nuclear technology.

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27^th, 2021 at 12:48pm:

Gordon wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 7:52pm: Curry gas?  ;D Abundant supplies are free at Chez Gordon?

You generate plenty.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2021 at 1:12pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2021 at 12:48pm: Gordon wrote on May 20th, 2021 at 7:52pm: Curry gas?  ;D Abundant supplies are free at Chez Gordon? You generate plenty.

Fill your lungs and please don't thank me.