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General Discussion >> Technically Speaking >> Replacing bearings on ..... anything http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1620814058 Message started by Sprintcyclist on May 12th, 2021 at 8:07pm |
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Title: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 12th, 2021 at 8:07pm
I replaced a few bearings on various machines lately and have learnt and been taught a lot.
Also removed a very badly seized part on a $10K machine with no damage to it at all. Did some more research lately and am at the stage now where it is no longer just 'theory'. I used to change bearings by pulling them off with a bearing puller, then tapping new ones on using a perfectly sized socket. Now, when removing the old bearing off a shaft I clean and lube the shaft. Then use a heat gun to heat the bearing on the shaft. Then it comes off much more easily. To put the new bearing on the shaft, I put the shaft in a freezer for a few hours. Heat the bearing up to about 100 degrees using a digital thermometer for about 10 minutes. The new bearing slips in fully using hand pressure. Normal bearings can take 350 degrees, so 100 is easy. Bearings are very suspect to lateral force. Such as tapping them on with a socket or drift. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 12th, 2021 at 8:12pm Would never have imagined that heating the 'outside' part to 100 degrees and cooling the 'inner' part to -20 degrees would give such a difference. How much expansion/contraction is there in stainless steel for 120 degrees? How much do you need, to make a difference? |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Bobby. on May 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Google - the coefficient of thermal expansion. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Bias_2012 on May 12th, 2021 at 9:09pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
The higher the temp, the more stainless steel expands than carbon steel does, if that makes sense https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-expansion-pipes-d_931.html |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Dnarever on May 12th, 2021 at 9:12pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Thanks - Always used the tapping method. Don't have the facility to put my car in a freezer that gets to -20 though that is a bit tough. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 15th, 2021 at 8:46pm Bias_2012 wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:09pm:
i guess different metals respond to temp differently ? |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 15th, 2021 at 8:47pm Dnarever wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:12pm:
If you can tape some ice around the shaft for 10 minutes, it might just make that difference. And warm the bearing. If you do both, heat the bearing, cool the shaft it'll help. Grease the shaft Course you'll probably have to tap it in also. But, it'll need less 'tapping' |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 7:23pm
yep, this is what I found
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https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46113 Wonder what temp he had the oven set too. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 7:36pm Quote:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bearing-removal-using-heat-an-oven/ AH, hot water. great idea. Readily available, great thermal conductivity and thermal mass. Will limit the temp rise to 100 degrees. Never thought of that. Ice on the shaft, hot water on the bearing? If you get ANY movement, it will slide off. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Mr Walker on May 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm
What about sealed bearings?
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 10:01pm Johnnie wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
good question .......... Quote:
https://www.skf.com/au/products/rolling-bearings/ball-bearings/self-aligning-ball-bearings/temperature-limits Funny, I checked the temp limits of the bearings I put on at work. It was 350 degrees C !! And they had seals on either side. I thought up to 100 degrees would be easy for them. I used a heat gun and a digital thermometer to not exceed 100 degrees. So the bearing temp would have been less. I guess, check with every bearing ? |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Mr Walker on May 16th, 2021 at 10:18pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 10:01pm:
Most bearings are of the sealed type so be careful where you apply the blow torch because you will melt the rubber seal and the ball bearings within the bearing will not operate properly and could seize. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 10:20pm Johnnie wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 9:27pm:
Ah, found some good data Quote:
https://www.piprocessinstrumentation.com/bearings-seals/article/15561605/how-to-properly-mount-bearings hhhmmm, so an 80 degree differential. For sealed bearing, less ........ I am thinking for many jobs, hot water on the bearing, ice on the shaft. Put the ice on for 10 minutes first. If it is a small job, a freezer works well. Gives you a -20 degree headstart. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 10:24pm
Mr Walker - yes, a blow torch would not be so good.
I had a hot air gun. Hair dryer would be quite ok. AND a digital thermometer or 'calibrated hand'. '......... oohhh, that's pretty hot ......... ' Go to play the heat on it evenly for quite a while to get it ALL to heat up |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Mr Walker on May 16th, 2021 at 10:53pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 16th, 2021 at 10:24pm:
Good work but not all can appreciate how this works so easily and without knowing what can go wrong, bearings can be tricky. |
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Title: Re: Replacing bearings on ..... anything Post by Sprintcyclist on May 16th, 2021 at 10:59pm
yes, when the new one gets stuck 1/2 way on .......
Then it is all ugly. Had that happen a few times. |
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