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Message started by AiA on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm

Title: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by AiA on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline


https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 1:18am
https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57

Another lot of examples of CCP political infantilism... Such as " horrors such as the Atlantic slave trade, colonialism and the Holocaust, as well as the deaths of so many Americans and Europeans from covid-19, should make Western governments ashamed to question China’s record on human rights."

Every nation in history has, in some era, enslaved people including, historically, the Chinese. Slavery was so much a norm (historically speaking) to the point that it even found its way into the Talmud and the New Testament. Plato referred to slaves as a normative practise in Athens.

Does that give a 21st century nation the right to continue the practise?

Does that justify CCP 21st century enslavement of the Chinese people?

As for the virus pandemic... The CCP cover-up puts that squarely at its feet. Will the CCP be paying compensation / restitution for the damage it did? Not likely.

The CCP has stripped the Chinese people of their honour, turning them into psychopathic animals modeled after Mao.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 1:25am
Also,the fact that the CCP is playing 'what about-ism' with slavery, stupidly incriminates them.

The CCP is implying that it does exist in China (and probably on a  scale not confined to only Xinjiang).

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by athos on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)



Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:04pm
What, in your view, is the biggest misconception about China in the West?

The single biggest misconception is that you have a wicked government and a good people. The Chinese have had 3,000 years for the government and the people to shape each other. The institution in the West that most closely resembles the Chinese system is, in fact, the Sicilian mafia. You have a capo di tutti capi who prevents the other capi from killing each other. Because they’re natural anarchists, they don’t like any form of government. They’re loyal to their families. The emperor is nothing but a necessary evil. The idea of public trust and subsidiarity that’s fundamental to democracy is unknown to the Chinese.


So, all hope is not lost for the West when the Chinese ‘capo di tutti capi’ is educating his offspring in one of America’s Ivy League schools?

Well, the one thing that we’re much better at than the Chinese is innovation. As I mentioned, Huawei is very much dependent on Western employees for innovation. I’m not saying the Chinese can’t innovate. During the Tang dynasty (618 to 906 A.D.), which is considered a golden age of Chinese arts and culture, the Chinese invented the clock, the compass, gunpowder, printing and, virtually, all of the elements of the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. However, the Chinese form of meritocracy, which is based on standardized exams, is the second-best way of running that meritocracy. Albert Einstein, who sat in the Swiss patent office because he couldn’t get a university job …

… and then invented the theory of relativity at his private home …

Right. This is unimaginable in China. If you ask the Chinese what worries them the most, many will say, “How come we have no Nobel prizes?” Eight Chinese have won the Nobel prize in sciences, but they are all Chinese who lived in America.



https://asiatimes.com/2019/10/you-can-never-be-chinas-friend-spengler/


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:45pm
Where do you see China’s weak spots that could cause substantial problems for their future?

China has a set of weak spots. First, they’ve got a very rapidly aging population. Like all countries with aging populations, they need to export capital and employ young people and other countries to pay for the pensions of their own people. Germany does this, too. That’s part of the motivation for China’s strategy. They will have an enormous burden supporting the aged in the future. They’re hoping to deal with that through automation, through more efficient health care.

Their biggest problem is the ambitions of their young people. The Chinese created a generation of which 10 million people each year take the gaokao (university) exam. A third of them study engineering. They expect opportunities.

If China loses its edge in technology, if they fall behind the West, if the Communist Party is seen to have failed in competing with the West, I think that will be a significant threat to its power.

You can’t effect that by complaining about human rights in China. China’s violation of human rights is repugnant to us. Of course, we will complain. But that doesn’t really do anything. The Chinese only respect power, and our power is in innovation. If we show that we can out-innovate the Chinese and leave them behind in critical sectors of technology, I think that will undermine the credibility of the present government.



This article, originally published by Switzerland’s Weltwoche, is reprinted with thanks.

https://asiatimes.com/2019/10/you-can-never-be-chinas-friend-spengler/

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:56pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

You missed the tradition of ancestor worship.

The Chinese show the greatest respect to someone when they're dead and incapable of 'causing arguments and being a nuisance'.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by athos on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:22pm

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D


Western hypocrites want to convince the world to take care of Muslims in China, while killing millions of them in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.
Exactly the same thing happens on this forum when all these yobbo racists like Rhino suddenly cry out for the fate of Muslims even though they were previously  insulted them.
Only idiots can trust Anglo sincerity.
:)

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by athos on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:27pm
What a stupid title "CHINA IS BETTING".
Why do you need to bet if something is so obvious.
Just look at what orgies are happening in the Australian Parliament and a society where it is no longer known who is a man and who is a woman.
:)

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:48pm

athos wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:22pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D


Western hypocrites want to convince the world to take care of Muslims in China, while killing millions of them in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.
Exactly the same thing happens on this forum when all these yobbo racists like Rhino suddenly cry out for the fate of Muslims even though they were previously  insulted them.
Only idiots can trust Anglo sincerity.
:)

If you're going to post to an Aussie forum, you're going to have to understand the concept of a 'pisstake'.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:50pm
An awful lot of living Muslims in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq if they were supposedly being killed by Western forces and the United States since 2001. There would be empty cities, free of Muslims there if the Coalition were on the genocidal path against the Middle East.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on Apr 29th, 2021 at 4:41pm

athos wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 3:22pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D


Western hypocrites want to convince the world to take care of Muslims in China, while killing millions of them in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.
Exactly the same thing happens on this forum when all these yobbo racists like Rhino suddenly cry out for the fate of Muslims even though they were previously  insulted them.
Only idiots can trust Anglo sincerity.
:)
Im ordering a new Merc with my share. Thanks China!

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on May 3rd, 2021 at 12:23am

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D


They're gonna need it to replace their ships if they start a blue..

I noticed the Party started to get really snappy when Biden took the helm... maybe they figure he'll collapse and leave things to the little brown girl... and every good CCPer knows a woman can't handle the job...

They clearly mistake the democratic approach for softness, and actually imagine that the losers in our Parliament doing all that shady stuff are the Australian people.....

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on May 3rd, 2021 at 6:10am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 1:18am:
https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57

Another lot of examples of CCP political infantilism... Such as " horrors such as the Atlantic slave trade, colonialism and the Holocaust, as well as the deaths of so many Americans and Europeans from covid-19, should make Western governments ashamed to question China’s record on human rights."

Every nation in history has, in some era, enslaved people including, historically, the Chinese. Slavery was so much a norm (historically speaking) to the point that it even found its way into the Talmud and the New Testament. Plato referred to slaves as a normative practise in Athens.

Does that give a 21st century nation the right to continue the practise?

Does that justify CCP 21st century enslavement of the Chinese people?

As for the virus pandemic... The CCP cover-up puts that squarely at its feet. Will the CCP be paying compensation / restitution for the damage it did? Not likely.

The CCP has stripped the Chinese people of their honour, turning them into psychopathic animals modeled after Mao.




;D ;D ;D  at last a sensible post about the CCP

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on May 3rd, 2021 at 6:13am

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


the USA is more polarised frank.

there is no concept of political friendship between americas 70 million racheal maddows and americas 70 million carson tuckers.  there is not even the possibility of dialogue.

by controlling the message, the CCP has a much better chance of producing cohesion

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on May 3rd, 2021 at 6:23am

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:45pm:
Where do you see China’s weak spots that could cause substantial problems for their future?

China has a set of weak spots. First, they’ve got a very rapidly aging population. Like all countries with aging populations, they need to export capital and employ young people and other countries to pay for the pensions of their own people. Germany does this, too. That’s part of the motivation for China’s strategy. They will have an enormous burden supporting the aged in the future. They’re hoping to deal with that through automation, through more efficient health care.

Their biggest problem is the ambitions of their young people. The Chinese created a generation of which 10 million people each year take the gaokao (university) exam. A third of them study engineering. They expect opportunities.

If China loses its edge in technology, if they fall behind the West, if the Communist Party is seen to have failed in competing with the West, I think that will be a significant threat to its power.

You can’t effect that by complaining about human rights in China. China’s violation of human rights is repugnant to us. Of course, we will complain. But that doesn’t really do anything. The Chinese only respect power, and our power is in innovation. If we show that we can out-innovate the Chinese and leave them behind in critical sectors of technology, I think that will undermine the credibility of the present government.



This article, originally published by Switzerland’s Weltwoche, is reprinted with thanks.

https://asiatimes.com/2019/10/you-can-never-be-chinas-friend-spengler/


the crux of the matter.

and technology has sidelined this issue.

when henry ford was making cars, the chinese would have needed spies to break in at night and steal the blueprints, or they would have needed to turn some engineers as treachorous assets to pass on intel.

these problems no longer exist.

a brilliant guy like Musk develops the tesla and the chinese just buy one and 24 hours later they have reverse engineered it and are making a knock off version for 1/10 the cost .

innovation wont help you in 2021.

not if your competitor does not recognise IP

the irony is that these electric vehicles being made in china will cost about 5,500 and are going to be sold in the states under the GM label  ;) ;)

"we dont make anything anymore" said the mighty donald.....as per usual , his gut instinct was correct.

but that wont stop lazy chodes in the USA snapping these babies up and letting tesla wither on the vine





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Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by AiA on May 3rd, 2021 at 6:54am
Aqua, with his love of authoritarianism and top-down control, doesn't realize that China is far, far more fragile than the USA because it doesn't have millions of Rachel Maddows squabbling with millions of Tucker Carlsons.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:42am

AiA wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 6:54am:
Aqua, with his love of authoritarianism and top-down control, doesn't realize that China is far, far more fragile than the USA because it doesn't have millions of Rachel Maddows squabbling with millions of Tucker Carlsons.



they arent squabbling.

they dont speak the same language.

they are becoming seperate entities , no longer able to speak.
and so they will have to fight.

china does not have a "nation divided".

an authoritarian regime is the price you pay for the removal of chaos.

it would seem a price worth paying.

you wont see this in china



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Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 3rd, 2021 at 9:17am

aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:42am:
an authoritarian regime is the price you pay for the removal of chaos.

And this from a Jordan peterson follower... He, sure as sugar ain't sh!t, wouldn't want the likes of you on his team.

Hierarchical structures become corrupt, without exception, when they are rigid and ostensibly immutable...

And the brutality, expense and energy required to maintain their rigidity and immutability, also without exception, becomes a cost impossible to afford.

The CSNSP will be fully contained and then the logistics of maintaining an untenable system will soon become apparent to every Chinese citizen...

When soon the lies, the abuse, the theft, the state-sanctioned murders the enormity of the corruption of the system becomes undeniable, collapse will be inevitable.

The trouble the allies have against containing the CSNSP is not whether it will succeed, but that it will succeed too well and collapse will cause violent independence movements from the oppressed western and northern provinces and Hong Kong.

Fortunately Taiwan, a full democracy and Han Chinese in it main ethnicity will be there to begin the process of democratising the mainland.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on May 3rd, 2021 at 9:51am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 12:23am:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 2:22pm:

athos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2021 at 11:16am:

AiA wrote on Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:51pm:
Another reason Biden's revitalization project is important

China is betting that the West is in irreversible decline

https://archive.is/etXwh#selection-575.0-575.57


When something is so obvious there is no need for betting.
:)
iron ore just hit US 200 a tonne.  :D


They're gonna need it to replace their ships if they start a blue..

I noticed the Party started to get really snappy when Biden took the helm... maybe they figure he'll collapse and leave things to the little brown girl... and every good CCPer knows a woman can't handle the job...

They clearly mistake the democratic approach for softness, and actually imagine that the losers in our Parliament doing all that shady stuff are the Australian people.....
I think they already knew Biden has balls.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Belgarion on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:26pm
Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Chinker
If You Think We're On The Run?
We Are The Boys Who Will Stop Your Little Game
We Are The Boys Who Will Make You Think Again
'Cause Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Chinker
If You Think Old Australia's Done?

Mr Brown Goes Off To Town
On The Eight Twenty-One
But He Comes Home Each Evening
And He's Ready With His Gun
So Watch Out Mr Chinker
You Have Met Your Match In Us
If You Think You Can Crush Us
We're Afraid You've Missed The Bus

'Cause Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Chinker
If You Think Old Australia's Done?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:28pm

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.



Seems to fit in with what MacArthur said..... about the Asian understanding strength or something...

Confucious say man who rattle sword should watch for extremity being cut off....

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Frank makes some good posts when hes sober.  I normally only read his stuff before 2000.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:29pm

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Frank makes some good posts when hes sober.  I normally only read his stuff before 2000.

Yes... But I can't see why he thinks the idea of a nation having no permanent friends only permanent interests is specific to the Chinese.

“Nations do not have permanent friends or enemies, only interests,” -  Henry John Temple, (twice British Prime Minister) and borrowed by Kissinger.



Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:39pm
“You can never be China’s friend”
China is a rapidly growing danger the West has yet to fully comprehend. Do the US and Europe stand a chance against the Red Dragon? Asia specialist and distinguished columnist, David P. Goldman (a.k.a “Spengler”), is convinced we do. But, he warns: the clock is ticking.



https://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2019-42/weltwoche-international/spengler-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-40-2019.htmly





Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 3rd, 2021 at 9:21pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:29pm:

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Frank makes some good posts when hes sober.  I normally only read his stuff before 2000.

Yes... But I can't see why he thinks the idea of a nation having no permanent friends only permanent interests is specific to the Chinese.

“Nations do not have permanent friends or enemies, only interests,” -  Henry John Temple, (twice British Prime Minister) and borrowed by Kissinger.

And there was that story I've posted before about General MacArthur bemused that Curtin was so thankful and fawning towards him about the US deciding to defend northern Australia from Japanese attack. MacArthur assured the prime minister that the US was only defending northern Australia because it was in US interests to do so.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:29pm:

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Frank makes some good posts when hes sober.  I normally only read his stuff before 2000.

Yes... But I can't see why he thinks the idea of a nation having no permanent friends only permanent interests is specific to the Chinese.

“Nations do not have permanent friends or enemies, only interests,” -  Henry John Temple, (twice British Prime Minister) and borrowed by Kissinger.
You dont think Australia has permanent friends? What about Britain or the US ?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:18pm

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 8:29pm:

rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 7:37pm:

Belgarion wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 10:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2021 at 12:14pm:
Some people say that confrontation is the wrong strategy, that we should become friends. Do the Chinese have the same concept of friendship that we have?

The Chinese, as individuals, have no friends. China, as a country, all the less so.

A peasant somewhere out in the Chinese countryside doesn’t have friends?

It was explained to me by my Chinese colleagues while I worked there that, when you’re in first grade in primary school, you look to your left and right and try to figure out whom you’re going to walk over. In China, you have your family. Otherwise, you have inferiors and superiors. But there are no parallel institutions. There’s no group of people coming together, spontaneously, to do something together as equals. You have a superior and you have inferiors. There’s no concept of political friendship in Aristotle’s sense.

No personal friendships?

People have personal friends, of a sort. But you don’t have the Western idea of political friendship, which goes back to Aristotle. China only has interests; it has no friends. There’s a term that was applied to southern Italy called “amoral familism” where you’re completely amoral with dealings of the world except for your family where you have different standards. That very much characterizes China.


This is correct. I was told something very similar by a detective from the Hong Kong Police some years ago.

Frank makes some good posts when hes sober.  I normally only read his stuff before 2000.

Yes... But I can't see why he thinks the idea of a nation having no permanent friends only permanent interests is specific to the Chinese.

“Nations do not have permanent friends or enemies, only interests,” -  Henry John Temple, (twice British Prime Minister) and borrowed by Kissinger.
You dont think Australia has permanent friends? What about Britain or the US ?

As above, MacArthur and Curtin.

When Britain joined the EU...

As for the 'special relationship between the US and Britain... There's the '56 Suez crisis when Eisenhower publically abandoned Britain and France.

And not forgetting Britain's abandonment of Australia to its fate during WW2... Even refused to allow Australian soldiers back to Australia to defend their own country.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Jun 14th, 2021 at 12:41pm
Taiwanese Foreign Minister Joseph Wu said Beijing had been particularly active throughout the Pacific, where it had capitalised on the disaster to ensure the region’s impoverished island nations were increasingly reliant on China for healthcare and vaccinations.

He said the strategy was “a cynical trap” given China’s secrecy over the initial Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak and resistance to international calls for an independent investigation into the origins of the disease.

“We know that Covid-19 stemmed from Wuhan, there’s no doubt about that at all,” Dr Wu said. “Our scientists noticed from internet discussions in China that there were SARS-like symptoms occurring in this region in late 2019, but China continued to keep this secret from the world for months.

“Our scientists were so nervous about it they ended up ­contacting the World Health Organisation in January 2020 and alerted the WHO to the fact there is something going on in China right now, and we’re worried it’s going to spread to other countries.

“There needs to be an international effort to understand how it was allowed to get to this point and so we can try to prevent future pandemics.

“Every responsible government in the world should be working together to demand an independent investigation to pinpoint the precise origin of the virus, whether that be in a lab in Wuhan or through some sort of cross-species contamination.

“We need to open up everything. We need to be very transparent. We need to trust our scientists. We need to trust our people … but China doesn’t operate that way. Anything Beijing believes could be seen as embarrassing to the Chinese government, it will try to cover up.

“This is what’s happening to the Chinese way of dealing with Covid-19 or dealing with the international effort to investigate the source of the pandemic.”








Just like the Soviets with Chernobyl. You must not trust, cannot trust communist regimes. They are built on lies and maintain themselves by lies. It was a HUGE mistake to admit them into the WTO.  You can't  treat dishonest bullies  as if they were rule-abiding equals.


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 1:33pm
The iron ore price hit $200 per tonne because that's what China wanted.

China bought large amounts of cheaper ore in the past and the higher price is hurting Western economies.

In the 1980s, the large Japanese trading houses, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, Sumitomo, Itochu and Marubeni. played with resource price manipulation and made lots of money. Big players can do that.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Jun 14th, 2021 at 4:48pm
I am as eager as anyone to follow the world’s virologists as they try to determine how Covid-19 emerged in Wuhan, China. But as a longtime student of Chinese Communist political language, I will need considerable persuading that the disease came from bats or a wet market. The linguistic evidence is overwhelming that Chinese leaders believe the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the source.

Many years ago a distinguished Chinese writer, Wu Zuxiang, explained to me that there is truth in Communist Party pronouncements, but you have to read them “upside down.” If a newspaper says “the Party has made great strides against corruption in Henan,” then you know that corruption has recently been especially bad in Henan. If you read about the heroic rescue of eight miners somewhere, you can guess that a mine collapse might have killed hundreds who aren’t mentioned. Read upside-down, there is a sense in which the official press never lies. It cannot lie. It has to tell you what the party wants you to believe, and if you can figure out the party’s motive — which always exists — then you have a sense of the truth.

A few years ago another outstanding Chinese writer, Su Xiaokang, brought me one step deeper. You Westerners, he explained, are too hung up on the question of whether propaganda is true or not. For the regime, truth and falsity are beside the point. A statement might be true, false or partly true. What matters is only whether it works. Does it advance the interests of the party? The top leaders hand out words and phrases for their minions to use, like trowels in a garden. The minions dig with them.

After the Communist Party locked down the city of Wuhan in winter 2020, a local writer named Fang Fang began recording the conditions and moods of the people around her and posting entries on the Internet. “Fang Fang’s Diary” quickly attracted a large following, and the author became known as “the conscience of Wuhan.” Michael Berry, a UCLA professor of Asian languages and cultures who was translating one of the author’s novels, went to work on her posts as well. They were published last summer by HarperCollins.

The book, “Wuhan Diary,” consists of plain truth-telling. It is unadorned, simple language that stood out in Wuhan only because no one else was daring to write anything. But the regime’s response was to attack Fang Fang more ferociously than any Chinese writer has been attacked since Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution in the late 1960s. In his day, Mao had made “struggle” a transitive verb: to struggle someone was to surround him or her, in the street or on a stage, and hurl taunts, insults, threats and demands for confessions; no bystander would dare speak for the struggled for fear of becoming the next target. Verbal abuse often led to physical beatings, sometimes even to death.

Xi Jinping has revived struggle in a form that might be called “cyberstruggle.” The young zealots of Mao’s era, called Red Guards, have been replaced by equally frenetic strugglers nicknamed “Little Pinks.” In spring of 2020, Little Pinks and others struggled Fang Fang: “Down with the imperialist running dog and traitor to China, Fang Fang!” To them, the diary was a “pile of messed up garbage and fabricated rumors [that] should be called ‘Fang Fang’s Sexual Fantasies’!” She received death threats. A witch hunt identified her supporters and began to struggle them, too. Mr. Berry, her translator, wasn’t spared. Hundreds of text messages arrived on his cell phone: “You ugly white devil, feasting on the flesh of man and drinking human blood, the eighteen realms of hell were created especially for you!”; “If you ever set foot in China again I will kill you”; and others.

The invective may tell us something about the origins of Covid. Two facts are worth noting. First, the attacks are co-ordinated, not a random explosion of vitriol. Second, they are much stronger — orders of magnitude stronger — than other verbal attacks on individuals in China recently have been. These two facts, taken together, make it all but certain that the campaign against Fang Fang came from the top.

Borrowing Wu Zuxiang’s technique of reading “upside down,” what the Fang Fang campaign tells us is that Xi Jinping is extremely worried that the world will hold his regime responsible for the pandemic. The most radioactive question has been where the virus originated. Fang Fang made no mention of whether the virus originated in a wet market or a lab; she merely documented all of the suffering that began in Wuhan. The regime’s focus on the origins question alone all but screams a truth.

The Chinese Communist Party’s official account of the virus is that it “jumped” from bats to humans at a wet market not far from the Wuhan lab. The city government was quick to close down that market, seal it off and provide the world with photos showing that the sealing had been done. Why were the authorities so swift and conspicuous? Because they suspected the wet market or because they wanted the world to? If they were certain that Mother Nature was the culprit, why silence their scientists and seal laboratory records? And why begin a vicious cyberstruggle against someone who records daily life as she sees it?

Mr. Link is a professor of Chinese at the University of California, Riverside and an emeritus professor of East Asian studies at Princeton.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:02pm

Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Many years ago a distinguished Chinese writer, Wu Zuxiang, explained to me that there is truth in Communist Party pronouncements, but you have to read them “upside down.” If a newspaper says “the Party has made great strides against corruption in Henan,” then you know that corruption has recently been especially bad in Henan. If you read about the heroic rescue of eight miners somewhere, you can guess that a mine collapse might have killed hundreds who aren’t mentioned. Read upside-down, there is a sense in which the official press never lies. It cannot lie. It has to tell you what the party wants you to believe, and if you can figure out the party’s motive — which always exists — then you have a sense of the truth.

I think it was Joseph Needham who, when trying to determine whether a Chinese emperor was popular or not, read contemporary chroniclers of each period and dynasty, discovered that the historians of the day referred to natural events that obliquely identified the last emperor's standing.

For instance, if there were cataclysmic natural disasters recorded in detail, the emperor was very unpopular. If a bad omen manifested, like a solar eclipse, the same negative inference could be drawn.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:09pm

Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
In his day, Mao had made “struggle” a transitive verb: to struggle someone was to surround him or her, in the street or on a stage, and hurl taunts, insults, threats and demands for confessions; no bystander would dare speak for the struggled for fear of becoming the next target. Verbal abuse often led to physical beatings[].

And that is exactly what happened to Xi Jinping.

Even to the point that his own mother was forced to denounce him. He happily accepted exile from his home town because he was certain he would be killed.

So the despised has now become the despiser.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:39pm
hi north.

china is soooooo strategic.

if you have any sense , you'll be "betting " on china.

how did the chinese outframe the rest of the world?

watch and learn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kua9I49rcCQ

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:48pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:39pm:
hi north.

china is soooooo strategic.

if you have any sense , you'll be "betting " on china.

The Chinese regime has way more urgent matters to manage right now...

All that 'we beat the virus'... turned out to be a lie... A massive wave of infection is beginning on mainland China.

Apparently, the Chinese people were advised to use quack Chinese traditional medicine to combat the virus, then suppressed any reporting of the true numbers.

However, the facts have leaked out and Chinese citizens are queueing up in such large numbers at vaccination centres that the regime has had to close them, but not before the massive queueing themselves are proving to be super-spreader events.


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:39pm:
hi north.

china is soooooo strategic.

if you have any sense , you'll be "betting " on china.

The Chinese regime has way more urgent matters to manage right now...

All that 'we beat the virus'... turned out to be a lie... A massive wave of infection is beginning on mainland China.

Apparently, the Chinese people were advised to use quack Chinese traditional medicine to combat the virus, then suppressed any reporting of the true numbers.

However, the facts have leaked out and Chinese citizens are queueing up in such large numbers at vaccination centres that the regime has had to close them, but not before the massive queueing themselves are proving to be super-spreader events.



north.

90 % of the worlds batteries made in china.

wow

winner winner chicken dinner

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:39pm:
hi north.

china is soooooo strategic.

if you have any sense , you'll be "betting " on china.

The Chinese regime has way more urgent matters to manage right now...

All that 'we beat the virus'... turned out to be a lie... A massive wave of infection is beginning on mainland China.

Apparently, the Chinese people were advised to use quack Chinese traditional medicine to combat the virus, then suppressed any reporting of the true numbers.

However, the facts have leaked out and Chinese citizens are queueing up in such large numbers at vaccination centres that the regime has had to close them, but not before the massive queueing themselves are proving to be super-spreader events.



north.

90 % of the worlds batteries made in china.

wow

winner winner chicken dinner

I'm sure that will comfort the Chinese people as they turn blue while they gasp for breath.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14th, 2021 at 6:34pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 1:33pm:
The iron ore price hit $200 per tonne because that's what China wanted.

China bought large amounts of cheaper ore in the past and the higher price is hurting Western economies.

In the 1980s, the large Japanese trading houses, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, Sumitomo, Itochu and Marubeni. played with resource price manipulation and made lots of money. Big players can do that.


Told you to stick to what you know and stop being an asshole - you are right and are a worthy contributor when you do the right thing.

Now - the answer for Australia - either starve the Red Dragon of ores or declare independence by creating our very own manufacturing using modern technology and skills.

I bring you the GAIA - the Great Australian Infrastructure Advance - built in the Pilbara next to the ores, operated using modern technologies of solar wind and North Shelf gas for our own use, incorporating every facet of modern conservation such as water tanks, solar power and solar hot water on every home in carefully planned neighbourhoods, and having the ability and the skills set induced in our local people to make iron and steel and all the flow-on products, including ship building.  Extra advantages are the ability to repair warships etc in a conflict.. right up there where it counts.  As I said - distance no longer matters - a missile can just as easily hit Hobart or Auckland as the Pilbara, so it matters not where you build..... only the protections you can provide..... and the greatest protection for national security is national independence....

Some are coming on board with the idea or another trans-national railroad to move coal etc from the East to the West... but that should be viewed as a secondary consideration in our (gasps) Australian Roads and Bridges Initiative. Of course, such a scheme would open up vast swathes of the country.... though maybe it's not that hospitable....

Build the GAIA like the Snowy Scheme and one day the world will beat a path to your door to build their submarines for them....   :o

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by chimera on Jun 14th, 2021 at 6:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm:
winner winner chicken dinner


Life-President Trump jumps out of bed with a plan to obtain the Capitol.
Comrade Chairman Xi also, to get the Taiwan parliament.
Taiwan has plans. "Legislators from Taiwan's main opposition Kuomintang (KMT) party threw pig guts and exchanged punches with other lawmakers in parliament on Friday as they tried to stop the premier Su Tseng-Chang from taking questions, in a bitter dispute over easing U.S. pork imports."  The premier said he had  a gutful and was going back to bed.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Many years ago a distinguished Chinese writer, Wu Zuxiang, explained to me that there is truth in Communist Party pronouncements, but you have to read them “upside down.” If a newspaper says “the Party has made great strides against corruption in Henan,” then you know that corruption has recently been especially bad in Henan. If you read about the heroic rescue of eight miners somewhere, you can guess that a mine collapse might have killed hundreds who aren’t mentioned. Read upside-down, there is a sense in which the official press never lies. It cannot lie. It has to tell you what the party wants you to believe, and if you can figure out the party’s motive — which always exists — then you have a sense of the truth.

I think it was Joseph Needham who, when trying to determine whether a Chinese emperor was popular or not, read contemporary chroniclers of each period and dynasty, discovered that the historians of the day referred to natural events that obliquely identified the last emperor's standing.

For instance, if there were cataclysmic natural disasters recorded in detail, the emperor was very unpopular. If a bad omen manifested, like a solar eclipse, the same negative inference could be drawn.

Simon Leys (Pierre Ryckmans) wrote excellent essays, including on the effect of Maoism on Chinese culture.
Chinese Shadows.
https://www.chinafile.com/contributors/simon-leys

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm

chimera wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm:
winner winner chicken dinner


Life-President Trump jumps out of bed with a plan to obtain the Capitol.
Comrade Chairman Xi also, to get the Taiwan parliament.
Taiwan has plans. "Legislators from Taiwan's main opposition Kuomintang (KMT) party threw pig guts and exchanged punches with other lawmakers in parliament on Friday as they tried to stop the premier Su Tseng-Chang from taking questions, in a bitter dispute over easing U.S. pork imports."  The premier said he had  a gutful and was going back to bed.


i didnt really understand that post chimera but i dont understand most of norths either.

he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz
china_2_002.jpg (106 KB | 5 )

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by chimera on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:09pm
Auschwitz the prison? Imperial and Kuomintang China was over-run by gangs and Peoples' China is run by gangs. Work Makes Freedom, they said, and China has lots and lots.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:22pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz

Was just listening to a couple of foreigners who'd lived in China for many years until recently.

When foreigners visit China, they're left with the impression that everything is free, democratic and modern, if they follow the path they're allowed to walk.

But, like these two warned, it looks 'free and democratic' until... It's not.

See, the Chinese regime keeps a close eye on all foreigners as they experience the hidden delights of Chinese society... Many times they break regime rules, but are often ignored, until, out of the blue, they're arrested... And then the book is thrown at them...

Maybe they took too many pictures of forbidden things, asked too many political questions or was reported for disparaging the regime after one too many local brews.

Then they call out for their democratic rights in terms of legal representation and legal due process... But that is when they realise, to their horror, they're in a totalitarian regime where no one has innate rights and the regime determines their crime and metes out the punishment as a matter of course. Evidence in your defence is irrelevant if it contradicts the regime's assessment. 99% of the time the verdict is guilty and the penalty starts at 6 months to life.

The local Chinese know better than to fall into the obvious regime traps, but they get caught up as well. Like the blogger, Qiu Ziming, who questioned whether only 4 Chinese soldiers died in the conflict with India. He was arrested for 'Spreading rumours and defaming the martyrs', convicted and sentenced to 8 months to 3 years imprisonment. Qiu was ordered to make a public apology on all major media platforms including television platforms.


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Belgarion on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:33pm
A couple of years ago an Australian journalist was based in China with his wife and teenage daughter. One day the daughter was picked up out of the blue by Chinese police and accused of some trifling offence.  When her parents went to the police station it was obvious that this was a result of some unflattering pieces the journalist had written for foreign media.

The girl was finally released and the family went straight to the Australian embassy who arranged travel home. The bloke was in no doubt that this was a warning and any further articles the Chinese did not like would result in real problems for his family.

Such is life in the workers paradise.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:34pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm:
winner winner chicken dinner


Life-President Trump jumps out of bed with a plan to obtain the Capitol.
Comrade Chairman Xi also, to get the Taiwan parliament.
Taiwan has plans. "Legislators from Taiwan's main opposition Kuomintang (KMT) party threw pig guts and exchanged punches with other lawmakers in parliament on Friday as they tried to stop the premier Su Tseng-Chang from taking questions, in a bitter dispute over easing U.S. pork imports."  The premier said he had  a gutful and was going back to bed.


i didnt really understand that post chimera but i dont understand most of norths either.

he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz
The servants in the background of that picture dont look too happy, maybe its the 10 cents an hour they are earning.  Rich people in  every country mate, every 3rd world sh1thole has rich people.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by chimera on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:38pm
He looks like a red guard. Probably a Maoist with a plan.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:40pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:33pm:
One day the daughter was picked up out of the blue by Chinese police and accused of some trifling offence.  

Yes... 'free and democratic' is the regime's veneer for the foreign useful idiots, until it's time to reel them in.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:44pm

chimera wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:38pm:
He looks like a red guard. Probably a Maoist with a plan.

The red guards have been replaced by the 'little pinks' (we'd call them the 50-cent army) - usually people born around the early 80's to 2000's (our Millennials and Gen Z).

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by aquascoot on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:52pm
north bemoans the authoritarian nature of president Xi.

imagine this north.

you are the dad running your duaghters 21st birthday party and things get out of hand.

do you take a keen interest in the legal rights of every little hoodlum gatecrasher?

nup, you just wade in and knock a few heads together.

so even at the level of 100 people, you have to be authoritarian.

now imagine , you are put in charge of a crowd of 100,000 to run a footy grand final.

and the crowd are creating a disturbance.

its straight in there with security and off to the carpark with the offendors, no questions asked.

because you havent got time to listen to each little sob story.

youve go a grandfinal to run.

now imagine XI.

the dude bounces out of bed and he has to create a coherent nation with 1.4 billion people.

think about that.

how would you sleep if your daughter organised a party on facebook and you were told
"its on you north to create an orderly party and , by the way, 1.4 billion people will be attending'

you would poop your pants.

i dont know how XI copes with that awesome responsibility.

to create an orderly , functional society with THAY MANY PEOPLE to take care of.

man, i cant hardly look after 200 cows.

XI has 1.4 billion diverse humans getting up to god knows what (way way way more stressful and mischievious then cows).

i gotta take my hat off to him.

has any man ever been handed such a burden.

he is a superman if he can keep his shiit together .
Xi, i salute you

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:52pm:
north bemoans the authoritarian nature of president Xi.

imagine this north.

Imagine this aquascoot, you have a  country cop's teenage son notion of authoritarianism. All you have is 'low-hanging-fruit' analogies of rioting or teen parties getting out of hand and apply that to the only things a totalitarian regime slams its fist over.

It's certain that neither you nor any of your family has experienced a regime where the Kafkaesque arbitrary use of terror over the most innocuous of actions is a normal part of  an apparatchik's everyday life.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:24pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 6:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm:
winner winner chicken dinner


Life-President Trump jumps out of bed with a plan to obtain the Capitol.
Comrade Chairman Xi also, to get the Taiwan parliament.
Taiwan has plans. "Legislators from Taiwan's main opposition Kuomintang (KMT) party threw pig guts and exchanged punches with other lawmakers in parliament on Friday as they tried to stop the premier Su Tseng-Chang from taking questions, in a bitter dispute over easing U.S. pork imports."  The premier said he had  a gutful and was going back to bed.


i didnt really understand that post chimera but i dont understand most of norths either.

he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz
The servants in the background of that picture dont look too happy, maybe its the 10 cents an hour they are earning.  Rich people in  every country mate, every 3rd world sh1thole has rich people.



Clearly a staged propaganda shot.... see the false smiles on the faces of the 'rich women'... but yes, the supine subservience and unwillingness to meet the eye of the 'servitors' speaks volumes...

This picture is so silly it could have come from a 1930's Hollywood epic set in China...

"Ah Numbah One Son.. Charie Chan know secret.... way to Fu Manchu hideout clear to cunning Chinee detective!!  Ha-ha... you follow - I show!"


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:35pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:24pm:
Clearly a staged propaganda shot.... see the false smiles on the faces of the 'rich women'... but yes, the supine subservience and unwillingness to meet the eye of the 'servitors' speaks volumes...

This picture is so silly it could have come from a 1930's Hollywood epic set in China...

Not as cringe-worthy as this ...

https://youtu.be/3-zPzi85Hxs

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:32pm
Well Im convinced then. Im reporting for re education tomorrow.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:39pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Well Im convinced then. Im reporting for re education tomorrow.

Make sure you bring plenty money... You pay for your own forced re-education.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by rhino on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:39pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Well Im convinced then. Im reporting for re education tomorrow.

Make sure you bring plenty money... You pay for your own forced re-education.
And my family pays for the bullets if I fail. :(

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Frank on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:47pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:52pm:
north bemoans the authoritarian nature of president Xi.

imagine this north.

you are the dad running your duaghters 21st birthday party and things get out of hand.

do you take a keen interest in the legal rights of every little hoodlum gatecrasher?

nup, you just wade in and knock a few heads together.

so even at the level of 100 people, you have to be authoritarian.

now imagine , you are put in charge of a crowd of 100,000 to run a footy grand final.

and the crowd are creating a disturbance.

its straight in there with security and off to the carpark with the offendors, no questions asked.

because you havent got time to listen to each little sob story.

youve go a grandfinal to run.

now imagine XI.

the dude bounces out of bed and he has to create a coherent nation with 1.4 billion people.

think about that.

how would you sleep if your daughter organised a party on facebook and you were told
"its on you north to create an orderly party and , by the way, 1.4 billion people will be attending'

you would poop your pants.

i dont know how XI copes with that awesome responsibility.

to create an orderly , functional society with THAY MANY PEOPLE to take care of.

man, i cant hardly look after 200 cows.

XI has 1.4 billion diverse humans getting up to god knows what (way way way more stressful and mischievious then cows).

i gotta take my hat off to him.

has any man ever been handed such a burden.

he is a superman if he can keep his shiit together .
Xi, i salute you

You are a farmer, you own cows.

A government, a Xi, does not own the people. That's where your paralells and analogies are off the rails. You have the whole relationship back to front.

A country and its people are not a farm and its lifestock for a Farmer Xi to manage.





Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:55pm

Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:47pm:
You are a farmer, you own cows.

A government, a Xi, does not own the people. That's where your paralells and analogies are off the rails. You have the whole relationship back to front.

A country and its people are not a farm and its lifestock for a Farmer Xi to manage.

Orwell could have made something of that!

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:05pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:41pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:39pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Well Im convinced then. Im reporting for re education tomorrow.

Make sure you bring plenty money... You pay for your own forced re-education.
And my family pays for the bullets if I fail. :(

No... No more shooting... Just authorisation from your next-of-kin to use your organs in case of... y'know... terrible accident happen.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:14pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz


Was just listening to a couple of foreigners who'd lived in China for many years until recently. ...


... of course, you were.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz


Was just listening to a couple of foreigners who'd lived in China for many years until recently. ...


... of course, you were.

So you're deaf as well as not black?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz


Was just listening to a couple of foreigners who'd lived in China for many years until recently. ...


... of course, you were.

So you're deaf as well as not black?


I am not as black as North of North, a cheap propaganda shill.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:33pm
Chairman Xi will fight to the last Chinese soldier, sailor or airman to secure his nation's socialist democratic rights!

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:34pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:28pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
he seems to think everyone in china is living in some sort of auchwitz but does this look like auschwitz


Was just listening to a couple of foreigners who'd lived in China for many years until recently. ...


... of course, you were.

So you're deaf as well as not black?


I am not as black as North of North, a cheap propaganda shill.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


You belong on the stage... there's one leaving in an hour.... if I were you, son... I'd be on it... sending up Blacks by imitating a Black is a capital offence these days in these here parts...

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:39pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:34pm:
You belong on the stage... there's one leaving in an hour.... if I were you, son... I'd be on it... sending up Blacks by imitating a Black is a capital offence these days in these here parts...


Grappler could never be accused of "impersonating" a moron.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:35pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 8:24pm:
Clearly a staged propaganda shot.... see the false smiles on the faces of the 'rich women'... but yes, the supine subservience and unwillingness to meet the eye of the 'servitors' speaks volumes...

This picture is so silly it could have come from a 1930's Hollywood epic set in China...

Not as cringe-worthy as this ...

https://youtu.be/3-zPzi85Hxs

As cringe-worthy as it is, it is pack-loaded with regime propaganda.

It was made in preparation for the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party.

Firstly all the main 'actors/singers' are all ethnic minorities that, before Xi, would have made everyone in China cringe (including the Han and minorities).

The use of the term CPC has now formally replaced CCP. Anyone who uses the term CPC in a post is more than likely to be a 50-cent army poster or a 'little pink'.

The line: 'She fought in anti-Japanese war' refers to WW2 in the Pacific. Mao and his army were hiding in the back-country of China during the war. It was the Nationalists who fought the Japanese during WW2.

The line: 'She made China the land of the free' is a direct rip-off of the US national anthem.

The line: 'People of all ranks had their say' refers to the rich and the poor had freedom of speech... Not under Mao they didn't or under any of the rest who followed. Although, Mao murdered anyone with land or money as Stalin did.

Inexplicably, the shot of Beijing is taken on one of its least 'beautiful days'... Shrouded in poisonous smog (go figure how that got in there!)

The shot where the 'students' are standing with their fist to their heads refers to their willingness to do whatever it takes to advance the cause of the party (i.e. not the country).

In the end the message is, it's not the Chinese people that makes China great it is the regime.


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?

Externalising much?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:02pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?


Externalising much?


Is that a yes? ... or expressed in your own language ...是吗?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:05pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?


Externalising much?


Is that a yes? ... or expressed in your own language ...是吗?


把它貼在你的耳朵裡

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:08pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:05pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?


Externalising much?


Is that a yes? ... or expressed in your own language ...是吗?


把它貼在你的耳朵裡


Grappler is recommending a bone-phone based on Grappler's experience with such practices?

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 15th, 2021 at 6:31am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:05pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 11:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
Could North of North be a self-hating Chinaman demented by being a wretched, abject, follower with nobody to follow?


Externalising much?


Is that a yes? ... or expressed in your own language ...是吗?


把它貼在你的耳朵裡


Grappler is recommending a bone-phone based on Grappler's experience with such practices?


Personal sledging detected - deleted.

Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 15th, 2021 at 11:15am
Another hilariously ironic outcome brought about by the Chinese regime was the aftermath of its furious response to Taiwan's warning to the world of the virus outbreak in Wuhan.

In its uncontained rage, the regime immediately banned flights from the mainland to Taiwan... An attempt to damage Taiwan economically.

Of course, the immediate effect that it had was to drastically restrict the spread of the virus into Taiwan, thus giving the Taiwanese a massive boost in its campaign and efforts to halt the virus in its tracks.


Title: Re: CHINA IS BETTING
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 15th, 2021 at 12:28pm
Stirr raughing!!


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