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Title: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 10:03pm

China draws a line in the sand.

China is making itself very clear, before the world, Beijing wants its friends to make it plain [to Beijing], who they are.

China is stating 'with every fibre of its being' - 'If America is weak, then now [or very soon] may be the 'opportune' time for the war with America.'

Not so ?

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China Calling for Civilizational War Against America and the West

by Gordon G. Chang
March 22, 2021

"Gunpowder" is one of those words Beijing uses when it wants others to know war is on its mind. The term is, more worryingly, also especially emotion-packed, a word Chinese propagandists use when they want to rile mainland Chinese audiences.... China's Communist Party, therefore, is now trying to whip up nationalist sentiment, rallying the Chinese people, perhaps readying them for war.

More fundamentally, Beijing is... trying to divide the world along racial lines and form a global anti-white coalition....

Deng Xiaoping, Mao's mostly pragmatic successor, counseled China to "hide capabilities, bide time." Xi, however, believes China's time has come in part because, he feels, America is in terminal decline.

Xi is serious. In January, he told his fast-expanding military it must be ready to fight "at any second." That month, the Party's Central Military Commission took from the civilian State Council the power to mobilize all of society for war. Militant states rarely prepare for conflict and then back down.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17196/china-civilizational-war

[the whole article is just a click away.]

China is preparing for war.

And with whom ?

Who will be the loser ?

Another Hitler
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1616057729

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"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."
- Abraham Lincoln

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by JaSin. on Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 10:52pm

Darkies are forming a global alliance to put the pressure on the minority and physically weaker White Races and cultures, turning another screw towards them becoming more feminised with each decade.
Once they take power through other covert means. The Chinese Military machine will be dismantled for being the Red Herring that it was. Like a China-Virus unleashed, like a computer virus to attack your nation from within.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 8:40am

I knew that you would be here jasin.

Muddying the water.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 8:52am

China has been warning the world for several decades, that it considers Taiwan to be on its side of that line in the sand.

But Taiwan had been an open democracy for several decades, and it has a population of tens of millions of people. !!

It was a choice, which those people eventually made, after they fled mainland China , in the 1940's.

It was a choice, to not live under Communist Chinese authority.

Q.
Today, if China invades or attacks Taiwan, will the rest of the 'free word' abandon those tens of millions of free people,
to the 'mercies' of a tyrant and a murderer like Xi Jinping, and to the constraints of the CCP ?

Xi Jinping is a thug and a murderer.

That means we must always submit to his demands.

Because that is what is in our own best interests.
......OR IS IT?

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in 2021....

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Everything they do, whether it is seemingly innocuous, such as measuring a mountain or putting a rover on Mars, is a means of claiming sovereignty, of enlarging the People's Republic. Now, of course, there are, in addition to these incursions, China's militant, hostile, belligerent acts.... The question is, what are we going to do about it?

China will land a Rover, its Rover, on Mars in either May or June.... China's officials have been talking about moon and Mars as if they are sovereign Chinese territory -- part of the People's Republic.

They look at near heavenly bodies the same way they do the South China Sea, something that should be theirs. This means that if they get there, China believes it has the right to exclude other nations.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17191/china-what-to-do-about-it

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Yadda said somewhere...

Quote:

IMO, ppl like yourself seem to want a 'peace' at any cost.

But, imo morality, or life, doesn't work like that.

Peace comes from defending open truth.

But your logic seems to be;
'Wanting' something, will produce it.

Or;
'If we give bullies what they want, surely, they will be satisfied, and leave us alone.'

They won't.

If you give a bully/thug, what he wants, he will come back again, and again.

And eventually he will take from you, everything that you own.

And the last thing the bully/the thug, will take from you, is your life.

The appeasement of evil men, does not lead to peace.

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IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.

As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

Q.
Are the lives of the people of Taiwan worth fighting for ?

Is your own life, worth fighting for ?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:38am

Well, yeah, but there is just another issue.... Taiwan also believes that its a legitimate government for China, and their official policy is that the south China sea is a territory of Republic of China. Oh yeah, they also believe in the actual line of control with India as well. So the plot thickens.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am

Quote:

China draws a line in the sand.
China is making itself very clear, before the world, Beijing wants its friends to make it plain [to Beijing], who they are.
China is stating 'with every fibre of its being' - 'If America is weak, then now [or very soon] may be the 'opportune' time for the war with America.'
Not so ?

China is starting WW3 just by one fact alone -

Covid-19 is a bio weapon they created illegally and
they didn't prevent its escape.
They are lying about it too.
They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago.
The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before
we're all killed by more bio weapons.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Sir lastnail on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:06am

The chinaman has nearly won the war already. They have taken away the manufacturing capacity of most western nations and left them with an industrial graveyard where the locals now fight over the casualized scrap jobs in the service economy :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA9XGHnM9VI

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am

The great irony is: If the democratic ROC was the government of the mainland, China would probably already be the leading superpower and every democratic country would today be willingly deferring to China on all global matters.

The CCP has now destroyed that.

We should stand in awe of the courage and spirit of Hong Kong protesters, Myanmar protesters and the Taiwanese for defending democracy that barely an Australian alive has yet needed to do.

They are proof that belief in democratic ideals and the rule of law alongside the will and strength to defend them is not, by any means, solely the territory of Europeans, North Americans, Indians and Anglophones throughout the world.

Totalitarianism must be confronted by all democracies as a sacred duty, because no one can claim that they are unaware of where it otherwise ultimately leads...

It leads to brutal repression, murder, concentration camps, death marches, death camps, gas chambers and (a new one) live organ harvesting.

That has been the destiny of all totalitarian regimes (left or right) without exception.

Also, we should be mindful that, today, the mainland Chinese are the first victims of the 20th century's last great evil.

If the world does not confront totalitarianism, then we, as free citizens of the world, will have betrayed our duty to learn from history.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:24am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

What you say MAY be true as you also mention 'They prevented the WHO from investigating more than 1 year ago’ and recently prevented a team from investigating with anything like thoroughness, let alone transparency.

Underlying this issue however is the world wide consumption of ‘warm meat’ obtained from wilderness animals. Ebola transferred to our species that way and more will plague us as our ever increasing population destroys more and more native forests.
Essentially what I’m attempting to draw your attention to are not the dangers posed by any particular ideology (not that China still has one having mutated into a form of mongrel state gangster capitalism) but our very nature . As a species we are the most dangerous on the planet.

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The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before we're all killed by more bio weapons.

Any attempt to destroy China in an act of all out warfare (ie:- nuclear) will unleash retaliation. All life on this planet, other than a few cockroaches, will be rendered extinct.
“A consummation devoutly to be wished” I hear several alien species muttering.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 9:56am:

The CCP is evil and they must be destroyed before we're all killed by more bio weapons.

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:31am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am:

Thanks :Couldn’t have said it more succinctly myself. But how many today are listening?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:35am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am:

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

Either way we will be wiped out by what we are.
Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” opened my eyes to this question some decades ago. Our species reaction to his warning was and is largely ignored.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:40am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:35am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:29am:

But it looks like there is no hope for us anyway
if a country like China is allowed to
work on illegal bio weapons that easily escape.
Will we be wiped out by bio weapons or nuclear weapons?

Yes -
the USA must draw a line in the sand with China.
Either be properly investigated and punished or WW3 -
let them decide.
We can't just ignore the consequences of their bio weapon -
start trading again as though nothing happened.
The Chinese have almost destroyed the entire world
and its civilisation.

2,736,635 (+6,664) Covid Deaths

https://coronaboard.com/

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:04am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:40am:

Again, we don’t have proof China deliberately manufactured a bio-weapon. My feeling is they did but I have no proof. Thanks to China’s carefully managed secrecy we may never know for sure.
China has almost destroyed the entire world? Not yet but they’re working on it.
From my perspective we in the West are responsible for one of the greatest of evils in relation to China, continuing to purchase goods manufactured there, some of it produced with slave labour. Henry Ford’s trade with Nazi Germany pales by comparison. This convenient, short sighted trade has undermined our security in the West. Instance, so many of the base ingredients for life saving medication production have been handed exclusively over to China. Consider the implications if China decides to cut off that supply. China’s so called Communist Party may be evil but our staggering stupidity is handing them a frightening degree of power on a silver platter.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:17am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:31am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:12am:

Thanks :Couldn’t have said it more succinctly myself. But how many today are listening?

I don't know how many are listening (or like-minded) but I do know this: If it's not said at all, then no one can listen and/or will not have the opportunity to confirm that they are like-minded.

No democracy has the luxury of waiting for an almost certain unlikely, or miracle, epiphany from totalitarians such that they dismantle their totalitarian regime.

Totalitarians are unreformable and totalitarianism does not abate or collapse in the absence of an irresistible confronting force.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:23am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 10:40am:

All business is run by bean counters.
National security is not on their balance sheet.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am

Perhaps now its the time for Australia to reconsider on its position of free trade, and free market capitalism.

One of the reasons that Australia has lost its manufacturing capability over the years is because of outflow of investment to cheaper countries. And this not going to change. And by virtual of free market capitalism, it is entirely legal to off shore jobs if it means cheaper prices on the expense of Australian jobs.

Perhaps we should change that.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 12:43pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps we should look at the definition of ‘free market capitalism’ first?
Instance, would Ayn Rand reconize anything about the Australian political system and commerce as ‘Free Market Capitalism? Would Ludwig von Mises or Adam Smith?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 12:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

Totalitarians are unreformable and totalitarianism does not abate or collapse in the absence of an irresistible confronting force.

Unfortunate [for those who abhor war], but very true.

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A voice from history....

...if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival.
There may be a worse case.
You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
- Winston Churchill.

The truth is incontrovertible.
Malice may attack it.
Ignorance may deride it.
But in the end, there it is.
- Winston Churchill

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 1:10pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 12:43pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps a better wording would strictly be we should look at the balance behind our economy. And have a very careful look at the weight in which we put to free market capitalism vs socialism, and hence by extension to government interventionism, and currency manipulation.

Whilst I wont know about Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, but definitely Ludwing Von Mise would be very angry about a mixed economy state like ours, but it is probably as close as you can humanly get.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 3:29pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps Australia and other developed nations should consider not benefitting from the, CCP-created, enslavement of Chinese people press-ganged into producing cheap exportable goods.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 3:29pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps Australia and other developed nations should consider not benefitting from the, CCP-created, enslavement of Chinese people press-ganged into producing cheap exportable goods.

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:46pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

No, he’d be astute enough to recognise the Chinese Gangster/Military Party is nothing like a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 6:45pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

No, he’d be astute enough to recognise the Chinese Gangster/Military Party is nothing like a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Or that maybe he was wrong.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:50am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 3:29pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps Australia and other developed nations should consider not benefitting from the, CCP-created, enslavement of Chinese people press-ganged into producing cheap exportable goods.

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

The CPC is really communism in name only, it had never being, a communist state. Currently, for the past few decades since Mao's death, it had been running a hybrid version of state controlled capitalism. Which, it seemed, to be more efficient at producing and controlling than our system. I am not saying that it is a good system for freedom or the people, I am just saying the underlying economic efficiency.

For example, in Australia over the past decade, various governments had tried to build a rail line from Melbourne CBD to the Airport. There are differences in opinion about when, where and cost by different parties over the decades. And so hundreds of millions of dollars were not spent on actually building and planning, but rather to study it. And this is replicated almost in each and every infrastructure projects in Australia. Ultimately, this resulted in an fasting ageing infrastructure that is getting too old or small for use, but too expensive to expand. E.g. the rail way network in Melbourne is based on a skeleton network that was built in the 1950s. Its tracks are getting so old, that it would not run if its too hot or too cold - in Melbourne - a place where temperature variation arent that great.

This lack of efficiency then caused overall productivity of Australia to be inefficient as well. Which then increases the cost of production. As so under our relatively free market capitalism, Australian businesses starting to seek production else where.

Now, in the past one can say: " sure! That means only the cheap and nasty stuff coming from China." But, they have foreseen that as an issue. And so, whilst we are doing our best to push our intellectuals overseas with our economic policy, they were head hunting all over the world for talents and patents. It is upto a stage where, international experts have concluded that their 5G technology is competitive if not superior and cheaper than US technology. And furthermore, they have already (about 10 years ago), started to experiment with 6G. This is something that we in Australia have no means of compete due to our policy.

Just another example, very quietly, in 2020, Chinese made cars have taken over popularity over German made cars in Australia.

The situation is dire for Australia. I believe, we need to first take care of ourselves and make our country better, and be more competitive. Perhaps, this trade dispute with China is the wake up call that Australia needs.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:06am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 6:45pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

No, he’d be astute enough to recognise the Chinese Gangster/Military Party is nothing like a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Or that maybe he was wrong.

He was wrong on in many aspects of his political theory but I’m sure he’d be horrified if around to witness what China has become.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:16am

Tickle,

Quote:

Now, in the past, one can say that sure, that means all
the cheap and nasty stuff coming from China only.
But, they have seen that.

Your English makes no sense -
what on earth are you talking about?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:24am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

The situation is dire for Australia. I believe, we need to first take care of ourselves and make our country better, and be more competitive. Perhaps, this trade dispute with China is the wake up call that Australia needs.

It would be if both sides of Canberra weren’t determined to sleep on regardless.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:33am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:16am:

Tickle,

Quote:

Now, in the past, one can say that sure, that means all
the cheap and nasty stuff coming from China only.
But, they have seen that.

Your English makes no sense -
what on earth are you talking about?

Apologies, that is a result of posting and reading from split screen on a phone. It was in response to North comment about producing cheap exportable goods.

Whilst this may be true in the past, but the Chinese have foresee that and made attempts to change.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:40am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:24am:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

It would be if both sides of Canberra weren’t determined to sleep on regardless.

And that is one of the underlying inefficiencies in our system of government.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:46am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:33am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:16am:

Tickle,

Quote:

Now, in the past, one can say that sure, that means all
the cheap and nasty stuff coming from China only.
But, they have seen that.

Your English makes no sense -
what on earth are you talking about?

I'm sorry too -
I really can't follow your writings very well.
Maybe if you just stick to one point per post it would help?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:13am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

Yes, true. The CCP certainly exploited the inevitable totalitarian trajectory of 'Marxist' communism, now mutated into the monster it has become in the Chinese context. All the world remembers (or can look up) those god-awful giant images of Marx being paraded through Beijing on CCP celebration days.

After Mao, the demand for the peoples' state-enforced worship was arrogated by the CCP from Marx and 'Marxism' to itself, by birthing its own, (self-justifying and now cliched), meme: enter context here 'with Chinese characteristics'.

And it hoodwinked the world for a long time by appearing (superficially) benign until, in 2020, 'dangerous coverups and fatal consequences with Chinese characteristics' exposed the CCP for the lethal and destructive regime that it is and always had been.

Efficiency... Yairs... A word used by all totalitarian states to justify murder and enslavement in pursuit of 'doing things faster'.

Of course a regime could pass itself off as relatively more 'efficient' when that regime has, literally, absolute control over it's oppressed citizens' lives, including enslavement and the ubiquitous threat of their (state-sanctioned) arbitrary arrest, disappearance, torture or murder (often all four in succession).

And, yes, there's no question that democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights comes at the cost of 'efficiency', particularly when it is qualified as 'efficiency from brutal totalitarian repression'.

The CCP is the incarnation of what all prophets of dystopian futures must have had in mind when they penned their need to warn us all of the consequences of efficiency's apotheosis.

Its confrontation is, and rightly should be, the highest moral obligation of all democracies united.

After all, it's from the ashes of two defeated 20th-century totalitarian regimes that democracy, the rule of law, and respect for human rights have proved themselves to be the greatest ideals humankind will ever actualise.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:39am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 8:06am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 6:45pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 5:46pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 4:54pm:

Wouldn't Karl himself roll in his grave to think that the sewage that is the CCP enslaves workers more effectively than the British upper classes in 19th century Britain?

No, he’d be astute enough to recognise the Chinese Gangster/Military Party is nothing like a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Or that maybe he was wrong.

He was wrong on in many aspects of his political theory but I’m sure he’d be horrified if around to witness what China has become.

And also what the Soviet Union became, in his name.

In fact, wherever 'Marxism' has been imposed, it has resulted in the enslavement and murder of the people (and underclasses) Marx thought his political ideals would protect them from.

That has proved to be the ultimate demonic and ironic destiny of a political 'Icarus'.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:02am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:13am:

And, yes, there's no question that democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights comes at the cost of 'efficiency', particularly when it is qualified as 'efficiency from brutal totalitarian repression'.

Did China under the CCP, ever have a period when the prosecution process [of charged and detained individuals], ever been open to the scrutiny of anyone other than those directly involved [i.e. 'the state', and the accused] ?

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:13am:

Its confrontation is, and rightly should be, the highest moral obligation of all democracies united.

Agreed.

But the 'democracies' today [their leaders], are almost to a man/woman, entirely focused upon their crass interest in their own electoral popularity, locally. :(

They are incompetent at least, and criminally negligent, really, in their wayward dereliction of their real responsibilities of good governance of their nations and their national interests, imo.

Such 'low people', always seem to be attracted to 'political class' careers, in the 'democracies'.

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Proverbs 24:24
He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25 But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

Proverbs 28:15
As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am

Yadda wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:02am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:13am:

Its confrontation is, and rightly should be, the highest moral obligation of all democracies united.

Agreed.

But the 'democracies' today [their leaders], are almost to a man/woman, entirely focused upon their crass interest in their own electoral popularity, locally.

They are incompetent at least, and criminally negligent, really, in their wayward dereliction of their real responsibilities of good governance of their nations and their national interests, imo.

Such 'low people', seem to be attracted to 'political class' careers, in the 'democracies'.

These are common misconceptions of what democracy is or what it bestows.

Democracy does not cleanse human nature of its dark side; it makes those who hold power accountable.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:22am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Perhaps we should put every single transaction with China under the microscope? Most of us know that Chinese whipper snipper, or whatever, which died only months after purchase was rubbish. Australian based importers (you listening Bunnings?) gleefully import and sell Chinese goods they know are inferior rubbish. In fact many Australian retailers request Chinese manufactures to cut costs and bugger the eventual customer. They don’t need to worry about warrantees given local import companies for Chinese goods change hands so often it’s almost impossible to get warrantees honoured.
Why does any of this matter? Gov’t bodies, such as the Australian military, are silly enough to source strategic materials from China. The shXt can really hit the fan - for instance...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/cape-class-patrol-boat-issues-china-aluminium-austal/100024794

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:47am

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:22am:

Most of us know that Chinese whipper snipper, or whatever, which died only months after purchase was rubbish. Australian based importers (you listening Bunnings?) gleefully import and sell Chinese goods they know are inferior rubbish. In fact many Australian retailers request Chinese manufactures to cut costs and bugger the eventual customer. They don’t need to worry about warrantees given local import companies for Chinese goods change hands so often it’s almost impossible to get warrantees honoured.

True.

There'd hardly be anyone in Australia who hasn't been the purchaser of poorly manufactured Chinese goods.

The result, I'd bet, of enslaved Chinese workers being lashed to produce goods increasingly more quickly as export profits to their CCP overlords dramatically rises.

If you've ever had to deal with returning these companies' goods for your money back, you'll quickly realise the transaction is usually one way.

And their tricks to extort as much money as possible are often mundanely stupid. Like, for example, using a trading platform like ebay then selling, normally expensive, items for $2.50 but with a $300 postage price.

Or counterfeiting items, like Australian coins, using a steel base and plating it in silver / gold, then blatantly passing it off as authentic, regardless that the weight and dimensions do not match the true item.

Or selling product rejects from companies (like 'cool' facemasks) that fall apart when used.

The list goes on and on and on...

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:50am

“The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”

That quote, attributed to Lenin, was a colourful metaphor for what Marxists call the internal contradictions of capitalism. Belief in the inherent inevitability of the West’s imminent collapse sustained the Soviet Communists right up to the moment in 1989 when their own system proved more self-annihilating than anything capitalism could muster.

But the old maxim has taken on a new and more plausible form today. It was on display last week in the first encounter between US President Joe Biden’s foreign policy team and the modern claimants to Marxism-Leninism’s primacy in the Chinese Communist Party.

It was evident from the moment the two sides sat down that an emboldened Chinese leadership understands that the greatest ideological weapon it now holds in its increasingly existential struggle with America is the gleeful enthusiasm for self-destruction that characterises so much of elite opinion in the US.

When Yang Jiechi, the Communist Party’s foreign-affairs chief, lectured Secretary of State Antony Blinken about America’s human-rights record, its treatment of minorities and its system’s innate inequity, everything he said could have been lifted straight from the pages of the Democratic Party’s presidential election platform, culled from Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper stories, or jotted down in a student’s notes from lectures delivered daily at America’s top universities.

In fact, it probably was.

The larger truth is that the people who control America’s leading cultural institutions and now its government have been eagerly manufacturing ideological rope for the Chinese hangman, and they’ve stepped up production over the past year.

The intellectual movement to which they subscribe has been the force behind the planned destruction — figuratively and literally — of the principal pillars of America’s authority in the world: the idea that the greatest nation on the planet was founded on universal ideals of human freedom and dignity. Instead, it insists, like those Chinese Communists, that all along this claim to a unique status in the world has been a fraud, mere sloganeering behind which America has been — and remains — a force for repression and exploitation.

How can a nation prevail in a global ideological struggle when its leaders believe its values are intrinsically evil?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/western-culture-elites-are-giving-away-lenins-rope/news-story/5dfddec5281f8b617b0d13fc14ba16b9

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:51am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

These are common misconceptions of what democracy is or what it bestows.

Democracy does not cleanse human nature of its dark side; it makes those who hold power accountable.

"Democracy......makes those who hold power accountable."

I would opine, that there would be plenty of voters in Australia [and in other Western 'democracies'] who would disagree with you !!!!!

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:55am

Yadda wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:51am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

These are common misconceptions of what democracy is or what it bestows.

Democracy does not cleanse human nature of its dark side; it makes those who hold power accountable.

"Democracy......makes those who hold power accountable."

I would opine, that there would be plenty of voters in Australia [and in other Western 'democracies'] who would disagree with you !!!!!

Well, the voters can vote them out... By what mechanism are totalitarians removed from power by the disaffected and the oppressed?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Yadda on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 11:16am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:51am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

These are common misconceptions of what democracy is or what it bestows.

Democracy does not cleanse human nature of its dark side; it makes those who hold power accountable.

"Democracy......makes those who hold power accountable."

I would opine, that there would be plenty of voters in Australia [and in other Western 'democracies'] who would disagree with you !!!!!

Well, the voters can vote them out...

Can they ?!

What if 'electoral integrity' in places like Europe, the U.S. and Australia, go the way of what happens in Africa, for instance.

In this 'digital age' [where the tendency is to no longer count paper ballots], is there any guarantee, that election processes in those places [in Western 'democracies'] won't be affected by fraud and cheating [by those who have such an opportunity 'in front of them'] ?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 11:22am

Yadda wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 11:16am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:51am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

These are common misconceptions of what democracy is or what it bestows.

Democracy does not cleanse human nature of its dark side; it makes those who hold power accountable.

"Democracy......makes those who hold power accountable."

I would opine, that there would be plenty of voters in Australia [and in other Western 'democracies'] who would disagree with you !!!!!

Well, the voters can vote them out...

Are you saying that democracy isn't perfect?

By the way, the US Republican-led conspiracy of election fraud and digital voting fraud are now being ridiculed by those who promoted the idea.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:09pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 9:13am:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

I actually agree with you, and in particular this paragraph: "And, yes, there's no question that democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights comes at the cost of 'efficiency', particularly when it is qualified as 'efficiency from brutal totalitarian repression."

However, I am looking at efficiency in a different economic sense. There are only finite about of resources in the world, and throughout the modern era of human history, many systems of government rose and fall. The combination of Democracy and capitalism like we have in Western society are only very recent. Right now, it is in an uphill battle against a more effience system of governance: state controlled capitalism.

I just fear that if Australia continue on as it is, there is a clear danger that we will be out compete by that system in the near future.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:15pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

Right now, it is in an uphill battle against a more effience system of governance: state controlled capitalism.

I think the CCP has copiously proved that 'state controlled capitalism' is a euphemism for enslavement and oppression.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:18pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:22am:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2021 at 11:27am:

Well, my friend Ayn Marx, I think its a simple matter of how much you are willing to pay. If you pay for a $10 no brand pair of pants, then dont expect it to be bespoke stitched, hand made quality of an Italian designer. If you go to bunnings, you can buy a plastic knob for $2 that last for 1 year, or a $11 one for 3 years. You get what you pay for.

In terms of warranties, again, if you bought a $10 pair of pants, good luck with that. However, if you bought a Chinese made Iphone, or laptop, then, you will also have warrantee protection unless its some kind of grey import - but that is another matter all together. Even if you bought a Chinese made $20 kettle from Kmart, they will still exchange it if its broken.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

Right now, it is in an uphill battle against a more effience system of governance: state controlled capitalism.

I think the CCP has copiously proved that 'state controlled capitalism' is a euphemism for enslavement and oppression.

It does not matter if it is enslavement and or oppression. As long as it is more efficient, then it will eventually out compete our system. And that is the problem.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:40pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

Right now, it is in an uphill battle against a more effience system of governance: state controlled capitalism.

I think the CCP has copiously proved that 'state controlled capitalism' is a euphemism for v.

It does not matter if it is enslavement and or oppression. As long as it is more efficient, then it will eventually out compete our system. And that is the problem.

Not sure what planet you come from but enslavement and oppression are unsustainable.

You may not be aware yet, but the world is now acutely aware of what the CCP is (having exposed itself as an extreme existential threat to the world) and is now moving towards containment of the CCP, as was done to the Soviet Union.

There will no longer be any CCP shill-nations of any importance downplaying the extreme danger posed by it.

Tag this post and reread it April 2022, see how much further contained the CCP will be by then.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:54pm

But North, from what I have read, our government is doing the exact opposite. Yes, we had being talking about diversification. However just recently, our government have lodged a formal complain at the world trade organization, for purpose of resume trade relationship with China. This is even supported by the recent US delegation to Alaska.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-20/us-has-our-back-says-trade-minister-dan-tehan-on-china-relations/100019392

Quote:

Speaking to reporters in Canberra, Mr Tehan expressed his gratitude to the Biden administration and said Australia wanted to resolve trade disputes with China.

"I think all Australians should be reassured by the fact that the Americans have come out and said that they've got our back, and they won't leave us alone on the playing field," Mr Tehan told reporters in Canberra.

Noted the words 'fix' and 'resolve'.

Quote:

Not sure what planet you come from but enslavement and oppression are unsustainable.

But what if the western democracies are not sustainable? As you know, the US and much of Western Europe are facing dire debt crisis. We pretty much quantitatively eased ourselves out of immediate trouble and kicked the can down the road. Quantitative easing.. basically printing money to shore up our financial system by buying bonds and shares are not sustainable in the long run. US national debt is now 28 trillion, some $85000 for every man woman and child. And in Australia, we are having issues of our own, with run away real estate prices, and historic levels of private debts. Yes, you can elect to change our government, but it is not going to pay back our debt, or unprint the money we printed.

I can see that both systems are completely unsustainable. The question is.. which one is likely to fall first?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 1:11pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:54pm:

But what if the western democracies are not sustainable? As you know, the US and much of Western Europe are facing dire debt crisis. We pretty much quantitatively eased ourselves out of immediate trouble and kicked the can down the road. Quantitative easing.. basically printing money to shore up our financial system by buying bonds and shares are not sustainable in the long run. US national debt is now 28 trillion, some $85000 for ever man woman and child. And in Australia, we are having issues of our own, with run away real estate prices, and historic levels of private debts. Yes, you can elect to change our government, but it is not going to pay back our debt, or unprint the money we printed.

I can see that both systems are completely unsustainable. The question is.. which one is likely to fall first?

Luckily for us, the CCP has the diplomacy , impulsiveness and aggressiveness of a teenage boy.

The CCP simply lies its way through internal economic crises and brutalises (where it can) anyone who questions it.

As I've said, the CCP will be contained as the Soviet Union was.

And if war (hot or cold) comes, as it likely will (given the CCP will predictably act like a teenage boy when seriously threatened), we will all see (as we have seen in Myanmar, Hong Kong and Taiwan), the price free people (yes, even ethnic Chinese appreciate political and economic freedom) are willing to pay to keep their freedom.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by aquascoot on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 1:34pm

its almost certain china has infiltrated most western society infrastructure grids.

you will do what you are told or you will be without electricity for 3 months.

now, i would be ok with that, i have plenty of fresh water, food and generators.

but your average urban chode who hides under the bed when confronted with the sniffles doesnt strike me as 'resilient"

no power = no running water, no sewerage treatment, no fridge, no stove, no petrol, no food distribution.

it will be interesting watching all those urban chodes behave like "teenage brats" as you seem to label the chinese. i think the west will do exactly what they are told.

maybe you could have stopped china 20 years ago.

but the fat chodes liked their cheap consumer goods too much.

now you have no hope of stopping them .

who is going to stop them

scomo?

he's too busy dealing with staff members who cant keep their dick in their pants and then having a little sob :'( :'( :'(

the americans?

they seem too busy crying and washing black mens feet.

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Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 1:55pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

True... You get the quality you pay for.

Chinese-made iPhones are guaranteed by Apple... Australian companies will honour their guarantees whether or not they're made in China.

Chinese-made knock-offs made by Chinese companies? Well... You get the quality you pay for. Cheap is cheap.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:08pm

I certainly wish that I share your optimism as well. However, we had been fed news from biased sources mostly. The reality is that China has cement itself as the second largest economy in the world. In our region, they are either the 1st or the 2nd biggest trading partner with any country around us. The belt and road initiative has sure up its supply routes to and from Central Asia, Africa, and South America. The purchase of Port of Darwin and the Belt and Road initiative with Victoria was in attempt to build two massive shipping lines connecting South East Asia, Australia and South America. As soon as Mr Trump dissolved TPP, they moved into the pacific region to fill the void. So to say that they lacked diplomacy, is like shooting ourselves in the feet before a bullet is even fired.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:11pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

Oh you mean those knock off like $10 computer tablet from WISH? Well, my friend North :D :D :D :D :D like I said, you get what you paid for.

But if you are willing to pay up, then items from more reputable sources - like phones from OPPO, + many of those appliances in JB, then they are all covered by warantees.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:14pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:11pm:

Oh you mean those knock off like $10 computer tablet from WISH? Well, my friend North
like I said, you get what you paid for.

But if you are willing to pay up, then items from more reputable sources - like phones from OPPO, + many of those appliances in JB, then they are all covered by warantees.

Yes... A friend brought a few back from mainland China a few years back (cheap)... Lasted about 6 months.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:11pm:

Yes... A friend brought a few back from mainland China a few years back (cheap)... Lasted about 6 months.

You really need to know what to buy. I have got an OPPO A52 phone as a back up to my Iphone XR, which is my backup to my Iphone 12. And its working fine, alot slower, and less snappy. But hey, its only $250 incomparison to $1500 for the new Iphone 12. :)

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:20pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:08pm:

Debt trapping small nations is not diplomacy.

You'll find that 'cement' you're relying on is sand (like much of the construction in China).

Prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union, few in the west had any idea how dire things were. Even Gorbachev was shocked at the state of the nation after he became general secretary. Even he had no idea things were as bad as they were as he rose to the top.

He implemented glasnost and perestroika (openness and restructure) in the naive belief that totalitarian communism was reformable. It wasn't.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:22pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:11pm:

Yes... A friend brought a few back from mainland China a few years back (cheap)... Lasted about 6 months.

Not only what to buy but who to buy from in China if you're going to do business with the mainland Chinese.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:33pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:20pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:08pm:

Of course it is debt deplomacy, and they have learned from the best - The West.

Case study Sri Lanka - the poster boy for News corp on China's debt trap diplomacy.

The conventional account is that China lent money to Sri Lanka to build the port, knowing that Colombo would experience debt distress and Beijing could then seize it in exchange for debt relief, permitting its use by China’s navy.

This narrative is simply incorrect. The project was proposed by former Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa, not Beijing, as part of his government’s corrupt and unsustainable development program. It quickly became a “white elephant”, however, creating vast surplus capacity and adding to Sri Lanka’s financial woes. Sri Lanka’s debt distress arose not from Chinese lending, but from excessive borrowing on Western-dominated capital markets.

So in brief, the debt problem of Sri Lanka started a long time ago, and mostly excessive borrowing from Western capital markets, who was also trying to lure it into its 'diplomatic' wing. However, the Chinese got there at the right time, and the right place.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:40pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Of course it is debt deplomacy, and they have learned from the best - The West.

So the CCP is the same as 19th century imperialists, then... Therefore it has no right to claim the moral high ground.

And it's debt trapping not debt diplomacy.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:50pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:40pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Of course it is debt deplomacy, and they have learned from the best - The West.

So the CCP is the same as 19th century imperialists, then... Therefore it has no right to claim the moral high ground.

And it's debt trapping not debt diplomacy.

This is nothing new. The Chinese used it for many centuries, and the Western worlds did to each other as well. This is how the world functioned.

The Chinese are just learning from the best.... the IMF

Check this article out:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/27/imf-economics-inequality-trump-ecuador

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:58pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:50pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:40pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Of course it is debt deplomacy, and they have learned from the best - The West.

So the CCP is the same as 19th century imperialists, then... Therefore it has no right to claim the moral high ground.

And it's debt trapping not debt diplomacy.

I'm certain it's not new. Humans have an acquisitive instinct that often degenerates into exploitation of 'the other'.

How does your admission of the CCP using imperialist tactics fit with the CCP's denigration of the US as an imperialist state when, by your admission, it runs from the same playbook?

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm

Endless discussion of political systems, governments who pretend one ideology yet practice another etc, ad tedium is of little significance without a close, honest (self?) examination of the underlying force, our nature as a species. I get sick of repeating this but until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction. Despite all of humankind’s glorious achievements it could be said “Good riddance to bad rubbish"

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

until and unless all of you read Arthur Koestler’s “The Ghost in The Machine” you don’t have a hope in hell of understanding the mess we are in and how and why it’s highly probable we are fast engineering our own extinction.

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 4:25pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

Interestingly, if remember correctly, neither of them referrences the other.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:39pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

ooo, we starting a little book club?

My recommendation: Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari :)

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ayn Marx on Mar 25^th, 2021 at 8:25am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:52pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 24^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

Well, there is also Robert Sapolsky's works, particularly, 'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst' and/or his many lectures and documentaries on YouTube.

ooo, we starting a little book club?

My recommendation: Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari :)

The way we’re going, it will be brief.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:22am

A clue to why China (and others) are contemptuous, not fearful, of the US:

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by JaSin. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:24am

You know the little fella is the gimp in the barracks.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:34am

https://www.dw.com/en/china-navy-vs-us-navy/a-55347120

China has the world's largest navy —
what now for the US?

A US defense report estimates China has the world's largest naval fleet and is churning out new ships faster than ever. The US continues to have a technological edge, but China is becoming more capable close to home.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Sir lastnail on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Sir lastnail on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Yes there is no shortage of stupid brain dead aussies investing and buying shares in companies like jbhifi, harvery f.ckface, kogun etc which are just branch offices for china incorporated. Even worse are our brain dead super funds stealing money from small businesses that are competing with china and investing it in these branch offices of china. There is no hope for us here and the chinaman is laughing all the way to the bank :(

Then we have politicians boasting about educating the chinese workforce only to eventually put us out of business and out of a job because the stupid brain dead pollies consider that to be an export earner and not a job destroyer :(

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

Voice of the People:
The White Australia Policy (1962)

267,821 views
•Jan 23, 2018

Jump to 5:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zb8yLammA0

Keep em all out - the same as we did in Queensland.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Sir lastnail on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

The war will be very short when the average punter realizes they can't buy a 50 cent tap washer from anywhere else but china. The west will just give into the chinks :(

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:53am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Of course they are.

War is coming...

Even the medieval-minded mainland Chinese know that.

The war will be very short when the average punter realizes they can't buy a 50 cent tap washer from anywhere else but china. The west will just give into the chinks :(

Funny how 80 years of not having to defend democracy has made some of us so weak.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Sir lastnail on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:10pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

Hm. Ok, so, correction: Kamala will save us. The Chinese will think TWICE about making her cross.
Oh, yes.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

How quickly some of us have forgotten Reagan and his administration's defeat of the Soviet Union.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by JaSin. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:20pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

How quickly some of us have forgotten Reagan and his administration's defeat of the Soviet Union.

;D ;D ;D ;D
America had nothing to do with the Fall of the USSR.
You will find that Australia had more to do with it for 'our' existence proved the better 'alternative' to that which the USSR was following and existing for. The USSR basically 'collapsed', run out of fuel you could say. It had a nuclear 'meltdown'. Reagan's dementia had nothing to do with it. The Americans just followed the new process of the USSR going. Takes a guy with Dementia to believe that 'he' conquered the USSR. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:24pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

How quickly some of us have forgotten Reagan and his administration's defeat of the Soviet Union.

I'm not surprised you don't comprehend how the American political system works.

Do you know what it means to say Reagan and the Reagan Administration?

Yes, Regan's policy of 'you can go no further at any price you can afford' brought the Soviet Union to economic collapse.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:42pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

How quickly some of us have forgotten Reagan and his administration's defeat of the Soviet Union.

Its actually the Vietnam war and the events that followed that made the West realized two things:
- They cannnot win a war with Russia and China on the same side.
- Russian and China are not entirely best buddies.
- And there are more better diplomatic ways to dividing the East bloc without direct Military intervention.
Starting with Kissenger, and followed by Nixon's visit, it started the catalyst which then ultimately lead to the demise of iron curtain in Reagan administration.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:57pm

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 1:42pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

The greedy west put china on the map because it wanted stuff on the cheap
but it was never going to be a free lunch with the chinks :(

They are using the money they made from us
to build military forces to kill us.

Biden will save us. You know the deal, man, c'mon.

Biden can't even remember what day of the week it is. You don't put a senile old fool in charge of a nukula button :(

How quickly some of us have forgotten Reagan and his administration's defeat of the Soviet Union.

All true. And Nixon worried that he’d created a Frankenstein by opening the door to China... and he was right to be worried because he had.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by JaSin. on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 1:47pm

;D ;D ;D
Yes and dirty little sex addict JFK had to be put down before all the paedophilia gets revealed.

USA did nothing but 'prevail' as it will do again against the CCP. For claiming direct responsibility for their demise is laughable. You might find that 'other' nations had more of a hand in it than the USA that you might think.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 4:30pm

Well, the US landed a C-17 Globemaster III in Taiwan, directly challenging the Chinese regime's self-declared 'red line' which was 'when the US flys a military aircraft into Taiwan would be the trigger for the regime to take Taiwan by force'.

That was a week ago.

The outcome? Almost no response from the regime.

Firstly, the regime tried to stop it from being reported. When that failed, the regime's foreign secretary made a lame statement that vaguely referenced the incident.

'We urge the US to adhere to the One-China principle and to the provisions of the China-US joint communiques . We urge them to immediately stop any form of official exchanges with Taiwan. Handle the Taiwan issue with caution and with sending the wrong signals to separatist forces so as not to cause damage to further bi-lateral relations and appease instability to the Taiwan strait'.

The incident has turned into an embarrassment for the regime as, since Xi came to power and the rise (and failure) of the pathetically hilarious 'wolf-warrior-ism' that has indoctrinated so many Chinese citizens, who have now been angered by the regime's perceived weakness.

After years of threatening, when the US called their bluff... The regime backed down.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 6:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28^th, 2021 at 12:57pm:

It's not likely that one or possibly two Chinese carriers will win the day.... it's not the size of the navy that counts, it's the bite in the navy... it could be said that Indonesia has a huge navy compared to Australia... most are old and obsolete...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i79X9jTAfEM

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:33pm

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by rhino on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:07pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

But they're bloody good at hitting the target... Afghanistan is not called 'the graveyard of empires' for nothing!

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:30pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

You've reached a new low...

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:31pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:07pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

But they're bloody good at hitting the target... Afghanistan is not called 'the graveyard of empires' for nothing!

"You have the clocks.. but we have the time."..... different strokes....

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by rhino on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:34pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:30pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

You've reached a new low...

I give you intelligent input and you respond like a retard. Im just talking your language.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:37pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

Evidently, Grappler is well-practiced at 'passing' in public.

84 IQ would be a real challenge for Grappler.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:07pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:37pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

Evidently, Grappler is well-practiced at 'passing' in public.

84 IQ would be a real challenge for Grappler.

Yes - unlike you I'd need to remove half of my brain - the higher functioning parts that is. You would need a boost from some stem cells or something..... anything would help....

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:09pm

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:34pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:30pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 9:48pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

Wearing a caftan makes Grappler a military expert.

Only when working undercover - I tan well and look the part with a proper hat on... with beard I can pass for an Afghan...

the average Afghani has an IQ of 84, you wont need the beard and the tan.

You've reached a new low...

I give you intelligent input and you respond like a retard. Im just talking your language.

That's not intelligent input... you're talking your language, not mine..... now don't play with the gypsies with the wooden heads and laughing gas ...

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:11pm

If a well-endowed Chinaman gifted Grappler half a brain, it would be lonely.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:16pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:11pm:

If a well-endowed Chinaman gifted Grappler half a brain, it would be lonely.

Ah... You're Chinese!

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:16pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:11pm:

If a well-endowed Chinaman gifted Grappler half a brain, it would be lonely.

Ah... You're Chinese!

You wish.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:20pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:16pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:11pm:

If a well-endowed Chinaman gifted Grappler half a brain, it would be lonely.

Ah... You're Chinese!

You wish.

I know!

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:22pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:11pm:

~~If a well-endowed Chinaman gifted Grappler half a brain, it would be lonely.~~

Relevance deficit detected....

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:27pm

How does half a brain get lonely?

People only use about 10% of the potential power of the brain... phew ... seeing some of the poor softwaring that goes in to some of them it's a relief to know they can't ever work at full power.....

You are grasping here, LYTC - the well-work phrase is:- "If you had another brain cell donated, it would be lonely." That's YOU - not me.... now don't try to earn brownie points by repeating what others have said to you time and again, sonny.... no second class prizes.

Accusing me of propagating 'right wing' stuff will get you killed.... I'm as centrist as you can find and to the left of the Dalai Lama....

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Laugh till you cry on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:36pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

Grappler is deluded if it calls itself a "centrist".

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:20am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

~~Grappler is deluded if it calls itself a "centrist".~~

Your white flag is accepted... now get down off that high horse and get back to what you do well, for a change.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:20am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

How does half a brain get lonely?

People only use about 10% of the potential power of the brain... phew ... seeing some of the poor softwaring that goes in to some of them it's a relief to know they can't ever work at full power.....

You are grasping here, LYTC - the well-worn phrase is:- "If you had another brain cell donated, it would be lonely." That's YOU - not me.... now don't try to earn brownie points by repeating what others have said to you time and again, sonny.... no second class prizes.

Accusing me of propagating 'right wing' stuff will get you killed.... I'm as centrist as you can find and to the left of the Dalai Lama....

~~Grappler is deluded if it calls itself a "centrist".~~

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 3:45pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 10:31pm:

"You have the clocks.. but we have the time."

Hadn't heard that one before... An impressive metaphor!

I will lock that one in.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 9:45pm

The late Peter Coleman recalled in his memoirs that around the time when the Japanese were bombing Darwin, Sydney’s young bohemians would meet at Sherry’s coffee shop in Pitt Street to discuss matters more important than the war.

Last week, as G7 leaders considered united action to counter the threat of Communist China, the ABC insisted climate change was the real issue. The Australian Prime Minister, even more than the Chinese President, was the recalcitrant who should be brought into line.

David Speers’ opening line on Insiders set the tone for last Sunday’s discussion on which the Greens’ Adam Bandt was the star turn. “The Prime Minister is rallying leaders of the world’s greatest democracies to step up on China, but he remains out of step with his counterparts on climate targets,” said Speers. Bandt accused the government of warmongering and urged the US and Europe to punish Australia’s supposed belligerence with trade tariffs.

Any hope that the pandemic might bring the intellectual left to its senses was extinguished in the first weeks of the outbreak. Having escalated the threat of global warming from one of many policy challenges to pose a threat to human existence, everything else shrank in importance in the minds of the intelligentsia.

As Niall Ferguson reminds us in Doom: The Politics of Catastrophism, at the start of Covid-19’s fateful global tour in January 2020, the World Economic Forum in Davos was focused on the wrong worry. The overwhelming theme at Davos was climate change while environmental responsibility dominated discussions on corporate boards. Little did they know that China was about to make its biggest contribution to reducing carbon dioxide to date through a pandemic that would disrupt global energy consumption patterns. Daily global CO2 reductions decreased by an estimated 17 per cent in April 2020.

Meeting a target of net-zero emissions by 2050, however, will require a more sustained contribution than that from the world’s largest carbon emitter. That is unlikely to happen. Since the Chinese administration has no intention of playing by the rules of international law, trade or commerce, we’d be nuts to imagine it would ever be a trusted partner in a global agreement on climate change.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Frank on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 9:47pm

China cannot be trusted and must not be trusted.

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 9:52am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 6:20am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

How does half a brain get lonely?

People only use about 10% of the potential power of the brain... phew ... seeing some of the poor softwaring that goes in to some of them it's a relief to know they can't ever work at full power.....

You are grasping here, LYTC - the well-worn phrase is:- "If you had another brain cell donated, it would be lonely." That's YOU - not me.... now don't try to earn brownie points by repeating what others have said to you time and again, sonny.... no second class prizes.

Accusing me of propagating 'right wing' stuff will get you killed.... I'm as centrist as you can find and to the left of the Dalai Lama....

~~Grappler is deluded if it calls itself a "centrist".~~

LTYC is deluded if he thinks he holds tenure here - he now must carry on his war using proxies - nothing to do with me this time... he came to the attention of the meat grinder once too often..

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:57pm

North Korea chimes in on cue - all in the family, of course.... pure talent gets you to the top there...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/wrong-way-kim-jong-uns-sister-issues-warning-us-222251119.html?utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=EDM&utm_campaign=EDM&utm_term=News&ncid=newsletter_edm_uf9cw7lph94

"The sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un warned the United States on Tuesday (local time) it would be disappointed were it to seek comfort in comments by her brother, while a US envoy met South Korea's president aiming to revive talks with North Korea.

Kim Yo-jong, who is also a senior official in North Korea's ruling party, released a statement to state media, saying the US appeared to be interpreting signals from North Korea in the "wrong way".

She was responding to US national security adviser Jake Sullivan, who on Sunday said he saw as an "interesting signal" a recent speech by Kim Jong-un on preparing for both confrontation and diplomacy with the US.

"It seems that the US may interpret the situation in such a way as to seek a comfort for itself," she said in the statement, carried by the North's KCNA state news agency.

"The expectation, which they chose to harbour the wrong way, would plunge them into a greater disappointment."

In response, the US State Department said on Tuesday Ms Kim's comments had not changed its desire to explore diplomacy with North Korea.

North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has been an intractable problem for Washington for years and in trying to change that, President Joe Biden's administration conducted a review of policy and said it would seek "calibrated and practical" ways to persuade Pyongyang to denuclearise.

North Korea has rebuffed US entreaties for diplomacy since Mr Biden took over in January from former president Donald Trump, who had three summits with Mr Kim but failed to persuade him to give up his nuclear weapons."

More for the ardent reader.... if it were not for the ability to kill millions, this nation thinking it can dictate to the US would be laughable...

Title: Re: China draws a line in the sand
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:59pm

A line in the sand is about all it can draw - the power of the national government stops at the shoreline..... so now they are looking, as I predicted, south and south west.... gets closer every day....