Calls for human right to shelter in Australia   
The Age
March 14, 2021


The Australian government should legislate a human right to housing so it takes responsibility for homelessness and provides enough social housing for the vulnerable, a new report and a leading academic say.

Labor member for Macnamara Josh Burns, who has authored a report for Labor-aligned think-tank McKell Institute, argues the Morrison government is too focused on private ownership and has abandoned the estimated 1.3 million Australians who struggle to afford to buy or rent a home.



While federal Labor has indicated it will not take changes to negative gearing to the next election, Mr Burns believes the housing market is stacked in favour of investors and that the problems created by negative gearing “are not going away”. 

The report will be launched in Canberra on Monday by Labor’s housing and homelessness spokesman Jason Clare. It argues a codified right for Australians to have a roof over their head would force the government to “accept a legal responsibility to address homelessness.”

“A legally enforceable human right to housing would help to address the immediate need for crisis accommodation,” the report states.


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This would compel Canberra to “begin the long journey down the path of dismantling the structural inequities which have created this mess”.

Both France and Scotland have established a legal right to housing and, in Britain, local authorities are responsible for ensuring no person is evicted unless they have secured alternative accommodation. European Court of Human Rights rules means governments there must assess the human rights of people when making decisions about their housing arrangements.

The report argues creating a right to housing is “not radical” and has led to the development of some of the “most effective homelessness systems in the world.”



Australia, unlike many Western democracies, does not have a bill of rights and protects rights through the Constitution and legislation.



University of Queensland professor Tamara Walsh, one of the nation’s leading housing researchers, said people in Australia were often evicted into homelessness because laws did not protect them.

The researcher said some people were choosing to live on the streets because of the ease with which they could be evicted and a lack of certainty regarding tenure. Her research has found people slipping through the cracks of social housing and other support services, ending up in jail, and occasionally dying in custody. These people often had undiagnosed mental health issues, she said.

“Australia is very behind on this area,” she said. “Legislating housing as a right can make a difference. It’s a recognition that people need to be respected and cared for as a rights-bearer rather than a problem case.”

The McKell Institute report said more than 74,000 homes would need to be built to cater for everyone on housing waiting lists and found the Commonwealth had reduced housing stock by 11,000 homes since 2018.

Housing Minister Michael Sukkar said even though construction of social housing was a state responsibility, the Morrison government “continues to make significant, ongoing investments into social housing”.

In the year to July, he said, “the federal government will provide more than $8.2 billion in housing and homelessness programs, up on last year, which includes $1.6 billion paid to the states and territories to deliver and maintain state social housing through the National Housing and Homelessness Agreement”.

In the report, Mr Burns proposed a shared equity model where the government provided a proportion of the upfront cost of a home, taking on an equity share in order to reduce the amount homebuyers needed for a deposit. A Welsh government scheme provided 20 per cent of the upfront cost and a Victorian government pilot program, limited to 400 homes, handed buyers 25 per cent.

The report suggested industry-specific subsidies for essential workers, including teachers and paramedics, who tend to be female and have lower rates of home-ownership than the general population.

Mr Burns’ call for more investment in public housing was backed by Victorian Housing Minister Richard Wynne who called for more federal action. “Australia’s housing crisis calls for a real national partnership,” said Mr Wynne, who is leading Victoria’s plan to construct 12,000 social houses. “It’s a great way to deliver immediate economic impact and lasting social change – and we want the federal government to work with us as we rebuild from the pandemic.“

I agree to some extent..I get annoyed when I see public houses empty , and many were sold off  so why wasnt more houses built?......

Houston we have a problem...

would you like to take this on crook?????

I know I wouldnt....

.it will! as they always do become loaded with public servants calling the shots.. ::) ::)

where would you build these homes/units crook?.... is next door to you OK.... ::) ::)

When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore.

After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :oii

Neferti wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:18am:

When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o

Good god but there are some truly horrible people on this site.

Neferti wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:18am:

When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o

I remember those nef...they also put many   abused women in there which meant the men trawling the place :-/ :-/.....many ferals living here.. this is what happens sadly   there was a block of flats in Braddon as well   ::) again knocked down but they were all transferred to Coombes .. and guess what?  that suburb now has a bad name..

like I said, I would not want to handle that portfolio...

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:39am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Good god but there are some truly horrible people on this site.

oh I agree..... I COULD NAME ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW>.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:41am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o I remember those nef...they also put many   abused women in there which meant the men trawling the place :-/ :-/.....many ferals living here.. this is what happens sadly   there was a block of flats in Braddon as well   ::) again knocked down but they were all transferred to Coombes .. and guess what?  that suburb now has a bad name.. like I said, I would not want to handle that portfolio...

Abused women, single parents, disabled people, people from abusive backgrounds, ols age pensioners etc.

All those Nef writes off as dole bludgers.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:42am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:39am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Good god but there are some truly horrible people on this site. oh I agree..... I COULD NAME ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW>.

And you defend the indefensible because the poster that posted it says they like you.

You're pathetic.

hey you made a joke.. :o

what happened did you get out of bed the wrong side...

gawd.. you never switch off your hatred do you pet...

every post this morning  bam bam bam... :-/ :-/

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:52am:

hey you made a joke.. :o what happened did you get out of bed the wrong side... gawd.. you never switch off your hatred do you pet... every post this morning  bam bam bam... :-/ :-/

Neferti is the only one showing hatred here and that is for welfare recipients.

There is the opposite of hatred coming from me. I view welfare recipients as my equals, worthy of living a dignified life.

You seem to disagree. But i know it's really only because someone who says they like you has taken the opposite path. You're not really that toxic of an old stick, are you Cods.

can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL....

your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???...



now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET..

how soon you forget.. >:(

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:19am:

can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL.... your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???... now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET.. how soon you forget.. >:(

You;re raving. You only need to read Nef's post to see the hatred for welfare recipients dripping off it. As it always is whenever she comments on the subject.

And you defend the indefensible because the indefensible says it like you. Again, pathetic.

:( :( :( :( :(

you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself...

no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint.......

its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another...

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:28am:

:( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another...

I don't hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her.

Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she likes you.

Rights rights rights
That's all white night ever thinks of

there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation
and how others need to Grant you your rights

The meaning to life white night
is not in your rights but in your responsibilities

You need to

Lift a load
Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load

Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger
Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker

I wish you would understand that

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:32am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:28am: :( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another... I don;t hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her. Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she like \s you.

OMG you hate everyone on ozpol.... you attack each and everyone of us everytime you come here...

god help anyone who claims they like cods.... I GET THAT I really do...you cant stand it can you?

I feel sorry for you!

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:39am:

Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that

And yet again, you speak as though all people have an equal starting point and equal resistance.

This is precisely where you will always fall down.

I wish you could see that.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:41am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:32am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:28am: :( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another... I don;t hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her. Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she like \s you. OMG you hate everyone on ozpol.... you attack each and everyone of us everytime you come here... god help anyone who claims they like cods.... I GET THAT I really do...you cant stand it can you? I feel sorry for you!

You;'re just sounding shrill and hysterical now, Cods. Perhaps you'd better take a break form the screen for a while?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:39am:

Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that

So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live?

Spot

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:19am:

can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL.... your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???... now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET.. how soon you forget.. >:(

I have not known that of Neferti

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:32am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:28am: :( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another... I don;t hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her. Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she like \s you. OMG you hate everyone on ozpol.... you attack each and everyone of us everytime you come here... god help anyone who claims they like cods.... I GET THAT I really do...you cant stand it can you? I feel sorry for you! You;'re just sounding shrill and hysterical now, Cods. Perhaps you'd better take a break form the screen for a while?

yes I will take a rest from you dear now its aquas turn...  all I can suggest is you dont read myself or nef in the future    I do read most of your posts  always on the same thing  but rarely reply....

as its pointless....

I say I have read a book and you say I haven't as if you have more knowledge on what i do than I have ..  you said you liked it  I said I didnt...so that means I didnt read it......... makes sense to you.....

so you see pet no reason to discuss anything with you..you make up your mind and thats the end of it...

so heres cheers..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:16am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:19am: can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL.... your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???... now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET.. how soon you forget.. >:( I have not known that of Neferti

I am still waiting for the proof of nef hate sprint... ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:16am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:19am: can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL.... your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???... now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET.. how soon you forget.. >:( I have not known that of Neferti

Read closer.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:20am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:43am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:32am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:28am: :( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another... I don;t hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her. Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she like \s you. OMG you hate everyone on ozpol.... you attack each and everyone of us everytime you come here... god help anyone who claims they like cods.... I GET THAT I really do...you cant stand it can you? I feel sorry for you! You;'re just sounding shrill and hysterical now, Cods. Perhaps you'd better take a break form the screen for a while? yes I will take a rest from you dear now its aquas turn...  all I can suggest is you dont read myself or nef in the future    I do read most of your posts  always on the same thing  but rarely reply.... as its pointless.... I say I have read a book and you say I haven't as if you have more knowledge on what i do than I have ..  you said you liked it  I said I didnt...so that means I didnt read it......... makes sense to you..... so you see pet no reason to discuss anything with you..you make up your mind and thats the end of it... so heres cheers..

Shrill and hysterical. Take a break.

lol   is it alright if I wait from the PROOF OF NEFS HATE..ta  didnt think you would mind. ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:26am:

lol   is it alright if I wait from the PROOF OF NEFS HATE..ta  didnt think you would mind. ;D ;D ;D

It;s all in in her first post in the thread.

You're oblivious of course, for reasons already established.

Neferti wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:18am:

When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o

Plenty of places like that in Melbourne -
idiots in a housing commission places high on ice
and any other drugs they can get hold of
and some are using disability support payments to fund it -

all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:28am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:26am: lol   is it alright if I wait from the PROOF OF NEFS HATE..ta  didnt think you would mind. ;D ;D ;D It;s all in in her first post in the thread. You're oblivious of course, for reasons already established.

seriously.... you wouldnt mind one of yours living in those flats.?.....they actually knock them down in Canberra because they are beyond savings.........they attract everything that turns a neighbourhood into a slum....perhaps you are fortunate and dont have something like that next door to you.....no one is saying ALLLLLLLare like that but it just takes a few to turn what seemed a good idea into a nightmare..and thats what happened in Melba and Civic. she is speaking from experience   we both live here..we are not making it up.btw my granddaughter works in the Local Jail here she could tell you a few stories.. I think they are now extending the Jail for a 3rd time... ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:33am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.

not in SA by all accounts bobby   

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:42am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:28am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:26am: lol   is it alright if I wait from the PROOF OF NEFS HATE..ta  didnt think you would mind. ;D ;D ;D It;s all in in her first post in the thread. You're oblivious of course, for reasons already established. seriously.... you wouldnt mind one of yours living in those flats.?.....they actually knock them down in Canberra because they are beyond savings.........they attract everything that turns a neighbourhood into a slum....perhaps you are fortunate and dont have something like that next door to you.....no one is saying ALLLLLLLare like that but it just takes a few to turn what seemed a good idea into a nightmare..and thats what happened in Melba and Civic. she is speaking from experience   we both live here..we are not making it up.btw my granddaughter works in the Local Jail here she could tell you a few stories.. I think they are now extending the Jail for a 3rd time... ::) ::)

Nef wasn't complaining about the flats. She was complaining about the people who lived there. Dole bludgers, right? Who you can still spot by the unmowed lawns and cars in the front yard?

God you're oblivious.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 7:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot

Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade.
The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?'

The answer - "About 2 weeks."

He is an expert, he works on that field.
In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless.

It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse.

In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.

The solution to this problem sprint is the following

Become a giver

If you are someone who gives first
And doesn't wallow in self-pity

If you do that for your entire life
You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around

And if you fall upon hard times
They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head

If you are a whining cry baby
Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place
No one is going to invite you into their house

The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself
And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around
Then you will always be welcome

It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses
Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant
Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after

But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful
What person in their right mind would not want you around

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.

There but for the grace of god go thee.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:00am:

The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head If you are a whining cry baby Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place No one is going to invite you into their house The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around Then you will always be welcome It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful What person in their right mind would not want you around

You just live in an absolute fantasy world.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:00am:

The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head

lol... if you did that these days the only reason why dozens of people would be "delighted to have you around" and be "queuing up" to get to you would be so they can take advantage of you and rip you off and say to themselves: "what a sucker".

Good grief Carl that is appalling

I would imagine I could name a dozen neighbours who would take me in
Since we always help each other out
I think I could name a dozen people at the local bush fire brigade who would take me in
All of my children would gladly give me accommodation
As would my sister's

if I came home from work today and found my house had burnt to the ground
it would take me all of 90 seconds to organise accommodation

What sort of fantasy world do people like mothra live in
Where they think people are not networked together in such a way that they would help each other out

I can understand if you are a bitter cruel resentful angry feminist who spends all your time on the internet
Being outraged
That no one is going to want you around

But all someone like mothra would need to do is become a fun joyful
Positive non outraged not bitter not resentful contributor and she would immediately find accommodation

Someone like that should join the country women's association
And bake cakes and lamingtons for the CWA
And get out of their angry bubble
And develop some friendships :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:31am:

Good grief Carl that is appalling

Maybe... but, I have no doubt it is a bit closer to reality than your fantasies.

However, I'm pretty sure family and (most of) your neighbours would be prepared to help you out if needed but your post suggested that you become a "giver" to every Tom, Dick and Harry that you encounter and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that approach probably isn't going to work out too well for you these days.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:00am:

The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head If you are a whining cry baby Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place No one is going to invite you into their house The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around Then you will always be welcome It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful What person in their right mind would not want you around

Good thoughts Aqua.
Thank you

You don't need to be a naive giver
But you do need to recognise that the path forward to building a protective social pier group
Is always going to involve extending yourself and establishing a reputation as something other than

Selfish crybaby

Interestingly those are the lessons of constructing a successful small business
Be generous
Establish the right sort of reputation in the community
I gave the example of the plumber who my nephew is apprentice to
Who always does free work for pensioners at the end of the day
Even when they offer him money to change a tap washer he refuses

Is he just a naive plumber being taken advantage of by the community

I don't think so

The guys a millionaire with 5 plumbing vans
He is joyful and he cannot cope with the amount of work that flows to him
When he changes a tap washer for free for some old grandmother
She tells her 16 grandchildren about his generosity
And bingo
after 10 years a million dollars appears in his bank account

Just like magic

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:00am: The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head If you are a whining cry baby Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place No one is going to invite you into their house The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around Then you will always be welcome It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful What person in their right mind would not want you around You just live in an absolute fantasy world.

Aquascoot's complete disregard for those who don't fit his ideals, compete with the the caring nature of a true eugenicist.

There is a certain ideological disdain and heartlessness shown for those who don't/can't belong to his group.

Well, this is how he chooses to express himself here on the forum, anyway!

 

The Australian government should legislate a human right to housing so it takes responsibility for homelessness and provides enough social housing for the vulnerable, a new report and a leading academic say.


I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions.

...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house.

Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places.

So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house?

My father was a very low paid worker his entire life, Yet he afforded a house and raised two children.
We often went without, so be it.
We were taught to be careful with our money, and it has served us well.

But he worked and worked hard, never once unemployed....ever

Now lets look as some of the "Deserving" of free housing.
Never worked i their lives.....Quite a few of them, One entire Kultcha is full of them.
Do they deserve a free home???4

Drug addicts, wasting all their money on drugs .....Do they deserve a free home?

Dead beats, lazy drunks and worthless parasite....do they deserve a free house?

Anyone can afford to pay rent, the grubberment wastes my hard earned taxes on funding rent assistance.

If you cannot be bothered to even do a little work, or apply for help, its your own fault.

I do agree that mental health needs work,
There is a whole bunch of them that seriously needs help
LGBTQISELFISH, The terminally Offended, muzzos, etc.

But thats another matter

0ktema wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 11:29am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:07am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:00am: The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head If you are a whining cry baby Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place No one is going to invite you into their house The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around Then you will always be welcome It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful What person in their right mind would not want you around You just live in an absolute fantasy world. Aquascoot's complete disregard for those who don't fit his ideals, compete with the the caring nature of a true eugenicist. There is a certain ideological disdain and heartlessness shown for those who don't/can't belong to his group. Well, this is how he chooses to express himself here on the forum, anyway!

it is not a complete disregard.

it is simply advice that if you become a little self pitying selfish puke who cries all the time and plays the victim,   no on will want you around.

"laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone".

now, having ackowledged this very old and universal law, does it not demand of us that we try to stop people falling into victim mentality, into self pity, inot being sad , outraged and toxic?

FOR THEIR OWN WELFARE !!!!.

currently the average australian dwelling has 2 empty bedrooms...that PLENTY of surplus housing.

currently people rely on their iphone or their laptop as their only "friend'

what is wrong with the very sensible advice to "get out there and establish a "real" social network" :-/ :-/ :-/

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:20am:

mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:43am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:32am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:28am: :( :( :( :( :( you are so full of hatred    you imagine what people say or mean  and make it truth to yourself... no good dealing with you   you come here for one thing.. and one thing only....once you dump your load  off you go, probably to rage at mongs joint....... its so tiring and predictable....you have nothing to offer this forum nothing at all...only vile  hate and trying to turn one member against another... I don;t hate anyone or anything, Cods. Nef does though. She hates welfare recipients and you seem intent on defending her. Why is that? I mean, aside form the fact that she says she like \s you. OMG you hate everyone on ozpol.... you attack each and everyone of us everytime you come here... god help anyone who claims they like cods.... I GET THAT I really do...you cant stand it can you? I feel sorry for you! You;'re just sounding shrill and hysterical now, Cods. Perhaps you'd better take a break form the screen for a while? yes I will take a rest from you dear now its aquas turn...  all I can suggest is you dont read myself or nef in the future    I do read most of your posts  always on the same thing  but rarely reply.... as its pointless.... I say I have read a book and you say I haven't as if you have more knowledge on what i do than I have ..  you said you liked it  I said I didnt...so that means I didnt read it......... makes sense to you..... so you see pet no reason to discuss anything with you..you make up your mind and thats the end of it... so heres cheers..

You said it was written in southern drawl - which wasnt the book - it was the movie

Spot

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.

This is true to some degree, however despite some being in this category the issues of the majority of homeless  in this country are more about drug and alcohol abuse than suddenly finding themselves out of work. We need to be careful about extrapolating the issues in American society to Australia, 2 completely different situations. Australia has a pretty comprehensive social security net while the US does not.  And some people just cope better, thats just the way they are and that is a very complex issue in itself. I dont give 2 cents for that so called "expert " though, its the sort of misinformation that doesnt do much to help the problem.

Valkie wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 12:00pm:

My father was a very low paid worker his entire life, Yet he afforded a house and raised two children. We often went without, so be it. We were taught to be careful with our money, and it has served us well. But he worked and worked hard, never once unemployed....ever Now lets look as some of the "Deserving" of free housing. Never worked i their lives.....Quite a few of them, One entire Kultcha is full of them. Do they deserve a free home???4 Drug addicts, wasting all their money on drugs .....Do they deserve a free home? Dead beats, lazy drunks and worthless parasite....do they deserve a free house? Anyone can afford to pay rent, the grubberment wastes my hard earned taxes on funding rent assistance. If you cannot be bothered to even do a little work, or apply for help, its your own fault. I do agree that mental health needs work, There is a whole bunch of them that seriously needs help LGBTQISELFISH, The terminally Offended, muzzos, etc. But thats another matter

There are many people beyond your very emotive examples who deserve a chance at securing a home. You just paint everyone with the same brush because it suits and feeds your outrage!

We find ourselves in a policy driven overheated housing market that is largely being maintained to keep the economy afloat. Many with access to capital have been given a multi decade winning hand. It has skewed the economy and both overlooked and screwed many over.

Providing adequate public housing is just one way to help balance this equation.

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 9:05am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not. There but for the grace of god go thee.

You think. But thats just not true, some cope extraordinarily well with stress while others do not. And drug and alcohol abuse are the major issues of the homeless.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:29am: mothra wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:07am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 9:00am: The solution to this problem sprint is the following Become a giver If you are someone who gives first And doesn't wallow in self-pity If you do that for your entire life You will literally have dozens of people who are delighted to have you around And if you fall upon hard times They will be queuing up to offer you a bed and a roof over your head If you are a whining cry baby Full of selfish self-pity and spraying your negative emotion all over the place No one is going to invite you into their house The solution to homelessness is to work on yourself And become a cheerful joyful pleasure to be around Then you will always be welcome It is the exact opposite of what modern crybaby entitled politics espouses Modern governments encourage people to be the eternal infant Who wants to open up their house and have another infant to look after But if you are strong competent cheerful joyful and helpful What person in their right mind would not want you around You just live in an absolute fantasy world. Aquascoot's complete disregard for those who don't fit his ideals, compete with the the caring nature of a true eugenicist. There is a certain ideological disdain and heartlessness shown for those who don't/can't belong to his group. Well, this is how he chooses to express himself here on the forum, anyway!   it is not a complete disregard. it is simply advice that if you become a little self pitying selfish puke who cries all the time and plays the victim,   no on will want you around. "laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone". now, having ackowledged this very old and universal law, does it not demand of us that we try to stop people falling into victim mentality, into self pity, inot being sad , outraged and toxic? FOR THEIR OWN WELFARE !!!!. currently the average australian dwelling has 2 empty bedrooms...that PLENTY of surplus housing. currently people rely on their iphone or their laptop as their only "friend' what is wrong with the very sensible advice to "get out there and establish a "real" social network" :-/ :-/ :-/

You still don't provide the answers, just criticism and ideals.

The fact is people get old, ill or disadvantaged and strong social networks can fall apart.  

Are you going to move people into spare bedrooms? That's unrealistic and you know it!

What about pensioners unable to work, single mothers escaping from family violence, females near the end of their working life with little to no superannuation and no employment prospects. What about those with multiple health problems who don't fit the disability criteria.

You just call them all self pitying selfish pukes and heartlessly disregard them. There is strength in community and more than enough to go around if there is a care!

The people whom you disregard don't just disappear, the uncared for weaken our societal bonds. 

Jasin wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 11:41am:

I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions. ...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house. Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places. So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house?

True, but the shocking condition (especially the outsides) of a lot of public housing has also been caused by decades of neglect by State and Federal governments.

I recently spoke to the new owners of one of the many former public housing properties that have been sold off in our area alone over the past few years and they're literally ripping everything out - toilets, sinks, etc. and starting from scratch.

I jokingly suggested they might have been better off just demolishing the entire house and rebuilding but they love the 'challenge' (and, its a huge one by the look of things) of bringing the place back up to a reasonable standard.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby

It's everywhere now -
even in country towns.

Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.

rhino wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 2:36pm:

Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.

Some homeless people are the recipients of a totally schit hand in life, but as you said, drugs and alcohol are a huge part.

The people whose lives fall apart after 2 weeks of hardship haven't lived their lives responsibly, pissing their money against the wall and not socking money away for a rainy day. Bet they never had 2 jobs and worked themselves so hard they've fallen asleep standing up :) 

Also, dig into the backstories of people living rough and you'll nearly always hear about estranged children, so they were also failures as parents too. Nobody I know would let their mum or dad sleep on the farqing street.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 2:00pm:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby    It's everywhere now - even in country towns.

maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart ::) ::) ::)...lets see her prove it....

I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does.......

all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life.

Neferti wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:18am:

When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o

Another truly stupid comment by body odor i

rhino wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 2:36pm:

Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.

absolutely   but tell that to some folks and they will call you all sorts of names..

I remember when my kids where at home.... kids were being called homeless   because at 13 they wanted to stay out till 3am.. and when mum and dad said NO  out they walked...they could walk into a police station  tell them all sorts  and then the system would find them clothes and shelter and also hand out money....not sure if that happens today but it did back then..... that happened to a couple I know whos son was adopted  and he played up on them  and when they stood up to him he knew where to go  and the system helped him every time..in the end they just gave up..          

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:33am:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP.

plenty of idiots like that outside of housing commission homes as well.

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:22am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:16am: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:19am: can you point out where Nef has been HATEFUL.... your hate for members is a forum disgrace   its in every post......nef was just pointing out FACTS    she lived near these flats shes talking about  and I knew the couple who owned the local supermarket there... they were traumatised with holdups...... why do you think they knocked them down???... now you are calling me TOXIC   and OLD...but you dont talk HATRED DO YOU PET.. how soon you forget.. >:( I have not known that of Neferti I am still waiting for the proof of nef hate sprint... ::)

you'll never see it whilst you keep your head up your arse

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby    It's everywhere now - even in country towns. maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart ::) ::) ::)...lets see her prove it.... I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does....... all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life.

thats a legitimate point.

1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue'

and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt.

if they have time to attend BLM rallies.
if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage

then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action.

and yet , the homeless numbers do not change.

it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue"

is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe.

it would appear to be the latter.

one can feel it in their posts as well.

they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion.

the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.

there used to be a homeless guy in Wollongong who for years could be found sleeping in a bus shelter on upper Crown St

when he died it came out in the local paper that he owned 3 houses but opted to sleep on the streets because he didn't want his kids to be put out ... he had 3 kids, each in one of his houses with their families

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:37pm:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby    It's everywhere now - even in country towns. maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart ::) ::) ::)...lets see her prove it.... I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does....... all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life. thats a legitimate point. 1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue' and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt. if they have time to attend BLM rallies. if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action. and yet , the homeless numbers do not change. it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue" is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe. it would appear to be the latter. one can feel it in their posts as well. they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion. the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus

::)

rhino wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 2:36pm:

Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless.

That would be quite likely

Neferti wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:37pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby    It's everywhere now - even in country towns. maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart ::) ::) ::)...lets see her prove it.... I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does....... all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life. thats a legitimate point. 1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue' and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt. if they have time to attend BLM rallies. if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action. and yet , the homeless numbers do not change. it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue" is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe. it would appear to be the latter. one can feel it in their posts as well. they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion. the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus Mothra is too worried about the bats in her belfry to take in one of the poor people she talks about. ::)

she thinks about them though ::) ::)..and for some people thats enough!

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:52pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:45pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:37pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:00pm: cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. not in SA by all accounts bobby    It's everywhere now - even in country towns. maybe mothra will open her spare rooms for them     if they ask her... she claims shes a bleeding heart ::) ::) ::)...lets see her prove it.... I have had a few young ones though my home   over the years   always friends of my kids  who were doing it tough at home...I was amazed when we first came to Canberra   my girls had friends  who lived in very large homes and they would tell me all the smashing things they had in their home..........but yes dad or mum was an alcoholic or a gambler...hardly any food in the house..I couldnt believe what went on behind these posh looking doors...    and probably still does....... all those I  or I should say  we  helped have been more than grateful  and it was my pleasure ... the parents I might add never did I get a thank you from them.......oh well..thats life. thats a legitimate point. 1/2 the population involve themselves in "signalling their virtue' and many of them would have a spare bedroom, without a doubt. if they have time to attend BLM rallies. if they have time to go on social media and express their outrage then surely they have time to make up the spare room and take concrete action. and yet , the homeless numbers do not change. it makes one wonder about the motivation of those who "signal their virtue" is it their love of the down and out or their hatred of those of another tribe. it would appear to be the latter. one can feel it in their posts as well. they arent coming from a place of joy and compassion. the hatred and the fake moral outrage explodes all over the internet , like an absess full of toxic pus Mothra is too worried about the bats in her belfry to take in one of the poor people she talks about. ::) she thinks about them though ::) ::)..and for some people thats enough!

its more that

the leftie like to "tell people" that they think about them, and for your leftie , thats enough

yes when I see pics of them working 7 days a week to feed the homeless  at the soup kitchens   I might see some good in them but to keep telling me how much they luv and think about the terrible time poor Meghan had.. seriously it doesnt do anything for me.....hey they were also homeless there for a while.....after the Queen gave them Frogmore Cottage to live in   you know that terrible Queen..

wow ... cods thinks the royals, any royals, are homeless

how many casks did you crack open today cods?

Meghan

The Princess Diarrhoeas

John Smith wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:29pm:

Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Another truly stupid comment by body odor

Get out more, Smith.

whiteknight wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:49am:

Calls for human right to shelter in Australia    The Age March 14, 2021 The Australian government should legislate a human right to housing so it takes responsibility for homelessness and provides enough social housing for the vulnerable, a new report and a leading academic say. Labor member for Macnamara Josh Burns, who has authored a report for Labor-aligned think-tank McKell Institute, argues the Morrison government is too focused on private ownership and has abandoned the estimated 1.3 million Australians who struggle to afford to buy or rent a home. While federal Labor has indicated it will not take changes to negative gearing to the next election, Mr Burns believes the housing market is stacked in favour of investors and that the problems created by negative gearing “are not going away”.  The report will be launched in Canberra on Monday by Labor’s housing and homelessness spokesman Jason Clare. It argues a codified right for Australians to have a roof over their head would force the government to “accept a legal responsibility to address homelessness.” “A legally enforceable human right to housing would help to address the immediate need for crisis accommodation,” the report states. Public housing Minister flags major extension to state’s $5.3b social housing blitz This would compel Canberra to “begin the long journey down the path of dismantling the structural inequities which have created this mess”. Both France and Scotland have established a legal right to housing and, in Britain, local authorities are responsible for ensuring no person is evicted unless they have secured alternative accommodation. European Court of Human Rights rules means governments there must assess the human rights of people when making decisions about their housing arrangements. The report argues creating a right to housing is “not radical” and has led to the development of some of the “most effective homelessness systems in the world.” Australia, unlike many Western democracies, does not have a bill of rights and protects rights through the Constitution and legislation. University of Queensland professor Tamara Walsh, one of the nation’s leading housing researchers, said people in Australia were often evicted into homelessness because laws did not protect them. The researcher said some people were choosing to live on the streets because of the ease with which they could be evicted and a lack of certainty regarding tenure. Her research has found people slipping through the cracks of social housing and other support services, ending up in jail, and occasionally dying in custody. These people often had undiagnosed mental health issues, she said. “Australia is very behind on this area,” she said. “Legislating housing as a right can make a difference. It’s a recognition that people need to be respected and cared for as a rights-bearer rather than a problem case.” The McKell Institute report said more than 74,000 homes would need to be built to cater for everyone on housing waiting lists and found the Commonwealth had reduced housing stock by 11,000 homes since 2018. Housing Minister Michael Sukkar said even though construction of social housing was a state responsibility, the Morrison government “continues to make significant, ongoing investments into social housing”. In the year to July, he said, “the federal government will provide more than $8.2 billion in housing and homelessness programs, up on last year, which includes $1.6 billion paid to the states and territories to deliver and maintain state social housing through the National Housing and Homelessness Agreement”. In the report, Mr Burns proposed a shared equity model where the government provided a proportion of the upfront cost of a home, taking on an equity share in order to reduce the amount homebuyers needed for a deposit. A Welsh government scheme provided 20 per cent of the upfront cost and a Victorian government pilot program, limited to 400 homes, handed buyers 25 per cent. The report suggested industry-specific subsidies for essential workers, including teachers and paramedics, who tend to be female and have lower rates of home-ownership than the general population. Mr Burns’ call for more investment in public housing was backed by Victorian Housing Minister Richard Wynne who called for more federal action. “Australia’s housing crisis calls for a real national partnership,” said Mr Wynne, who is leading Victoria’s plan to construct 12,000 social houses. “It’s a great way to deliver immediate economic impact and lasting social change – and we want the federal government to work with us as we rebuild from the pandemic.“

Dumb idea.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:29pm: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Another truly stupid comment by body odor Get out more, Smith.

I can guarantee I've had more to do with Dept. of housing homes and their occupants than either you or body odour

yeah! painting them with cheap paint. which comes off when you wipe it... ;D ;D ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 5:40pm:

Meghan The Princess Diarrhoeas

did you make that up grap???  can you believe what Harry goes through.. :)

"Experts say this is what Australia needs to do to solve the housing crisis"


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Professor Pawson, at the City Futures Research Centre UNSW, went on to say: "We don't necessarily need to spend more money on housing as a country, we need to spend more smartly". "We have to measure the problem and commit to a strategy which addresses what we find." We also need to have "brave conversations" according to Swinburne University Professor of Housing Policy, Wendy Stone, who said just building more housing did not help to address inequality. She pointed to Australians generating their wealth from housing, and said we should explore "setting boundaries" around that investment. "How can we retain existing housing stock in regional areas for housing and home, rather than so much of it being held as vacant investment or being used as tourism investments?" she said. "We need some urgency to establishing some parameters to reduce spiralling inequality." She argued a limit of how many properties any one person could own could help keep house prices lower and could take the pressure off rental shortages — especially as the federal government's COVID support measures come to an end.

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A recent survey conducted by Professor Pawson's team estimated 75,000 tenants across Australia had accrued rent debt and he argued the Australian economy was yet to feel the full impact of COVID shutdowns. "By the middle of this year, we may see some of that sort of stored up trouble … we know that at least a quarter of renters did lose income," he said. Rachel Ong ViforJ, Professor of Economics at Curtin University, said she would like to see rental reform for longer-term change, including increasing the Commonwealth Rent Assistance, and making sure it was better targeted to those who need it. "Another major issue has to do with tenure security within the private rental sector," Professor Ong ViforJ said. "More Australians are renting, including older Australians. However, Australia's private rental sector is lightly regulated and landlords are allowed 'without-grounds' lease termination.     "We need to see policies implemented that improve tenure security for private renters.

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Economist Cameron Murray said there was little political will to act to decrease housing prices, particularly among households that use property as investment. "The political reality is that we want higher and rising house prices, it's a political winner and doing something to stop that is political suicide," he said.

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Increasing stock in social housing should be part of a national housing policy, said Professor Pawson, who pointed out that Australia's social housing numbers had remained stagnant over the years despite a growing population, meaning its capacity to house those in need had reduced over the years. Professors Stone and ViforJ agreed that increasing social housing stock was needed to help those most in need of secure housing, but Dr Murray said perhaps Australia should rethink its whole approach to subsidising housing. He pointed to Singapore where about 80 per cent of the population was able to buy a subsidised home through the government. "To me, Singapore's public housing model is probably one of the best interventions," Dr Murray said. "It's essentially a public, subsidised doorway to get into the market."

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House prices and rising rents are a major problem if you are a renter who can't afford to buy a house, but are probably not your concern if you own property. However, all four experts warn that if we let housing inequality continue to grow unabated, it will affect everyone. "A continual upward trend in house prices that outstrip wage growth should be a concern for homeowners, especially those carrying a mortgage," Professor ViforJ said. "Highly indebted homeowners are more likely to fall behind on mortgage payments if they were, to say, become unemployed or go through a period of financial difficulty." Professor Stone said if the federal government did not do more to balance the housing market, Australia would have an "increasing pool of losers and a smaller, wealthier group of property winners". "Without intervention we will see an increase in homelessness. "We know that an unequal society with a high degree of economic polarisation is going to undermine our economy in the longer term."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/policy-ideas-to-solve-national-housing-crisis-australia/13185064

Food, clothing, shelter and sex.... hmmm.. four pretty basic needs... lots of leeway in all of those.... beaten to a pulp in a wet market meals or fresh vegan plunder from the garden..... rooskins or moleskins or Armani .... a humpy in the Outback surrounded by empty beer cans or a plush fifty bedder palace.... that last one gives cause for concern though.... sex.... opens the door to many interpretations...

Good thing these were stated as 'needs' and not 'rights' - many confuse the two... like they confuse rights and wants and needs and wants ....

cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

yeah! painting them with cheap paint. which comes off when you wipe it... ;D ;D ;D

You're not supposed to soak your walls in chardonnay

Gordon wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

rhino wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm: Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless. Some homeless people are the recipients of a totally schit hand in life, but as you said, drugs and alcohol are a huge part. The people whose lives fall apart after 2 weeks of hardship haven't lived their lives responsibly, pissing their money against the wall and not socking money away for a rainy day. Bet they never had 2 jobs and worked themselves so hard they've fallen asleep standing up :)  Also, dig into the backstories of people living rough and you'll nearly always hear about estranged children, so they were also failures as parents too. Nobody I know would let their mum or dad sleep on the farqing street.

Yes, some people have a really tough life.
Yes, probably noone you know would leave their parents sleeping rough.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 3:14pm: rhino wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm: Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless. Some homeless people are the recipients of a totally schit hand in life, but as you said, drugs and alcohol are a huge part. The people whose lives fall apart after 2 weeks of hardship haven't lived their lives responsibly, pissing their money against the wall and not socking money away for a rainy day. Bet they never had 2 jobs and worked themselves so hard they've fallen asleep standing up :)  Also, dig into the backstories of people living rough and you'll nearly always hear about estranged children, so they were also failures as parents too. Nobody I know would let their mum or dad sleep on the farqing street. Yes, some people have a really tough life. Yes, probably noone you know would leave their parents sleeping rough.

Often, homeless people take any drug they can find to 'escape' their lives for a short while.

Sometimes, youth commit crimes on purpose to get put into detention as it is better there than at home.

But noone you know is like that.

0ktema wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:59pm:

"Experts say this is what Australia needs to do to solve the housing crisis" Quote: Professor Pawson, at the City Futures Research Centre UNSW, went on to say: "We don't necessarily need to spend more money on housing as a country, we need to spend more smartly". "We have to measure the problem and commit to a strategy which addresses what we find." We also need to have "brave conversations" according to Swinburne University Professor of Housing Policy, Wendy Stone, who said just building more housing did not help to address inequality. She pointed to Australians generating their wealth from housing, and said we should explore "setting boundaries" around that investment. "How can we retain existing housing stock in regional areas for housing and home, rather than so much of it being held as vacant investment or being used as tourism investments?" she said. "We need some urgency to establishing some parameters to reduce spiralling inequality." She argued a limit of how many properties any one person could own could help keep house prices lower and could take the pressure off rental shortages — especially as the federal government's COVID support measures come to an end. [quote]A recent survey conducted by Professor Pawson's team estimated 75,000 tenants across Australia had accrued rent debt and he argued the Australian economy was yet to feel the full impact of COVID shutdowns. "By the middle of this year, we may see some of that sort of stored up trouble … we know that at least a quarter of renters did lose income," he said. Rachel Ong ViforJ, Professor of Economics at Curtin University, said she would like to see rental reform for longer-term change, including increasing the Commonwealth Rent Assistance, and making sure it was better targeted to those who need it. "Another major issue has to do with tenure security within the private rental sector," Professor Ong ViforJ said. "More Australians are renting, including older Australians. However, Australia's private rental sector is lightly regulated and landlords are allowed 'without-grounds' lease termination.     "We need to see policies implemented that improve tenure security for private renters.

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Economist Cameron Murray said there was little political will to act to decrease housing prices, particularly among households that use property as investment. "The political reality is that we want higher and rising house prices, it's a political winner and doing something to stop that is political suicide," he said.

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Increasing stock in social housing should be part of a national housing policy, said Professor Pawson, who pointed out that Australia's social housing numbers had remained stagnant over the years despite a growing population, meaning its capacity to house those in need had reduced over the years. Professors Stone and ViforJ agreed that increasing social housing stock was needed to help those most in need of secure housing, but Dr Murray said perhaps Australia should rethink its whole approach to subsidising housing. He pointed to Singapore where about 80 per cent of the population was able to buy a subsidised home through the government. "To me, Singapore's public housing model is probably one of the best interventions," Dr Murray said. "It's essentially a public, subsidised doorway to get into the market."

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House prices and rising rents are a major problem if you are a renter who can't afford to buy a house, but are probably not your concern if you own property. However, all four experts warn that if we let housing inequality continue to grow unabated, it will affect everyone. "A continual upward trend in house prices that outstrip wage growth should be a concern for homeowners, especially those carrying a mortgage," Professor ViforJ said. "Highly indebted homeowners are more likely to fall behind on mortgage payments if they were, to say, become unemployed or go through a period of financial difficulty." Professor Stone said if the federal government did not do more to balance the housing market, Australia would have an "increasing pool of losers and a smaller, wealthier group of property winners". "Without intervention we will see an increase in homelessness. "We know that an unequal society with a high degree of economic polarisation is going to undermine our economy in the longer term."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/policy-ideas-to-solve-national-housing-crisis-australia/13185064
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There's no argument that "something" should be done.

But starting us on the path to limiting the right to own property?

A "Politically courageous" decision by any Government seeking to implement that. One that would likely see them removed from office at the next election.

There are other levers which would help "soften" speculation...but look at how one of those was portrayed at the last Fed. election... ::)

One of the biggest lessons in life for me as a Sydneysider was to live in Melbourne for 7 years.

While coming to understand the 'Houso' state of being and in the toilet bowl of it all in Mt Druitt. My perception of 'Poor People' was that they were indeed Evil, Selfish, Abusive, Violent, Lazy and more. "Give me another f*ucking House you pricks!" would be the anthem of guilt-ridden social and emotional blackmail for being 'dumped' here 200+ years ago.

Then I lived in Melbourne. When a guy in a no-sleeve flanny and football stubby shorts and thongs came up to me. My natural reflex action was to fight. But something was wrong? The guy just said "You need help mate?" :-?
After that. I soon learned that 'Poor People' can be good, hard-working and that the 'Boguns' - were just people who put 'Family' before jet-setting successful career orientated lives. That the Rich of Melbourne seemed the same attitude of the Poor of Sydney (Richmond & GWS) - abusive.

When someone calls another a Bogun, etc - it's usually from a nasty Rich 'SNOB' or intellectual snob on drugs, etc.

Sydney: Good Rich, Evil Poor (Houso)
Melbourne: Evil Rich, Good Poor (Bogun).

Of course, there were many good poor SydneySiders who strived to be good and not the 'Houso'. But they are indeed the minority - but if they make it, the rewards in their life are greater than just being financially secure.

So when Governments and Experts write up these reports and legislations. They only see Rich and Poor. They only see a Robin Hood that robs from the rich and gives to the Poor.
Not the rob from the evil rich and give to the good poor and protect the good rich from the evil poor. Obviously too complicated for them. It's a tale of two cities you see. ;)

If you tried to discipline the 'Housos' of Sydney and not give them 'free accomodation', welfare, etc - the Bludgers will turn back into Criminals and other more evil ways of life.

So yes, the Houso Bludger is cashing in on a system that is for the Bogun Battler - but hey, this is Civilisation, this is the duality of Monotheism and of Good and Evil. Without 'both' - you would all cease to exist.  ;D


I would say. We really need to put those Houso's out into the outback Gulags. But with a Society like you people who can't tell the difference between a Battler and a Bludger because of a fear to 'discriminate' between right and wrong.
I think you're stuck in a permanent house that you can't repair.

mothra wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 6:47am:

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:41am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o I remember those nef...they also put many   abused women in there which meant the men trawling the place :-/ :-/.....many ferals living here.. this is what happens sadly   there was a block of flats in Braddon as well   ::) again knocked down but they were all transferred to Coombes .. and guess what?  that suburb now has a bad name.. like I said, I would not want to handle that portfolio... Abused women, single parents, disabled people, people from abusive backgrounds, ols age pensioners etc. All those Nef writes off as dole bludgers.

As that maybe .... it is still no excuse to treat govt. owned housing like a dump & live like pigs.

This why it is so hard & expensive to keep up with maintenance of these houses & why so many are out of action for long periods.

Having a disability or coming from a abusive background does not excuse it .............

there are far more people who do not have any disability or life experience excuse who treat  taxpayer funded social housing with contempt.

And they do the same to privately owned rental properties.

You always excuse the inexcusable or make excuses for the shyte behaviour of certain groups of people.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not.

No one is saying they shouldn't have a roof over their heads...

what's being said is they shouldn't turn the houses into dumps by trashing them, not mowing and leaving broken down cars in the yard.

As has been pointed out ... it is not hard to pick govt houses in any location across the whole country for that very reason.

:-/
Gnads wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 8:46am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not. No one is saying they shouldn't have a roof over their heads... what's being said is they shouldn't turn the houses into dumps by trashing them, not mowing and leaving broken down cars in the yard. As has been pointed out ... it is not hard to pick govt houses in any location across the whole country for that very reason.

Some. Others you would never know

Spot

Valkie wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 12:00pm:

My father was a very low paid worker his entire life, Yet he afforded a house and raised two children. We often went without, so be it. We were taught to be careful with our money, and it has served us well. But he worked and worked hard, never once unemployed....ever Now lets look as some of the "Deserving" of free housing. Never worked i their lives.....Quite a few of them, One entire Kultcha is full of them. Do they deserve a free home???4 Drug addicts, wasting all their money on drugs .....Do they deserve a free home? Dead beats, lazy drunks and worthless parasite....do they deserve a free house? Anyone can afford to pay rent, the grubberment wastes my hard earned taxes on funding rent assistance. If you cannot be bothered to even do a little work, or apply for help, its your own fault. I do agree that mental health needs work, There is a whole bunch of them that seriously needs help LGBTQISELFISH, The terminally Offended, muzzos, etc. But thats another matter

Being a drug addict or an alcoholic is classed as having a disease and constitutes a disability...

that's why many are on the DSP. ::)

Carl D wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:41am: I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions. ...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house. Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places. So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house? True, but the shocking condition (especially the outsides) of a lot of public housing has also been caused by decades of neglect by State and Federal governments. I recently spoke to the new owners of one of the many former public housing properties that have been sold off in our area alone over the past few years and they're literally ripping everything out - toilets, sinks, etc. and starting from scratch. I jokingly suggested they might have been better off just demolishing the entire house and rebuilding but they love the 'challenge' (and, its a huge one by the look of things) of bringing the place back up to a reasonable standard.

Sorry .... the govt doesn't need to mow the yard nor does it leave car bodies & rubbish laying around the yard .....

The decay & neglect is caused by a big proportion of tenants and is so vast that govts can' keep up.

John Smith wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 4:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. plenty of idiots like that outside of housing commission homes as well.

Same idiots living in private rentals...

any in yours?  ::)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

:-/ Gnads wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:46am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:54am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:39am: Rights rights rights That's all white night ever thinks of there is no meaning in life when all you think of is your own personal situation and how others need to Grant you your rights The meaning to life white night is not in your rights but in your responsibilities You need to Lift a load Make it a heavy load so that after you lift it you can feel some legitimate self-satisfaction that you are the sort of creature who can lift a load Taking on responsibilities makes you stronger Telling other people that they owe you something makes you weaker I wish you would understand that So you dont think homeless ppl who haven fallen on hard times (disabled, aged etc) should have anywhere to live? Spot Borg - I heard an amazing interview of someone who has helped homeless people for over a decade. The question was from the interviewer - 'What is the difference between one of these homeless people and a normal person?' The answer - "About 2 weeks." He is an expert, he works on that field. In 2 weeks, a 'normal' person can often find themselves homeless. It could be caused by marriage breakdown, death in a family, being sacked from work, ill health, mental collapse. In 2 weeks, many people can go from having a roof over their heads to not. No one is saying they shouldn't have a roof over their heads... what's being said is they shouldn't turn the houses into dumps by trashing them, not mowing and leaving broken down cars in the yard. As has been pointed out ... it is not hard to pick govt houses in any location across the whole country for that very reason. Some. Others you would never know Spot

Yes Spot.... some do value the house that has been supplied by Govts because they haven't been able to buy their own ...

they look after them like they do own them.

There are also some who actually own a home and still neglect it & live like pigs. 

In regard to those who don't value govt housing .. it's a bigger proportion and growing.

Mix_Master wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 7:50am:

0ktema wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:59pm: "Experts say this is what Australia needs to do to solve the housing crisis" Quote: Professor Pawson, at the City Futures Research Centre UNSW, went on to say: "We don't necessarily need to spend more money on housing as a country, we need to spend more smartly". "We have to measure the problem and commit to a strategy which addresses what we find." We also need to have "brave conversations" according to Swinburne University Professor of Housing Policy, Wendy Stone, who said just building more housing did not help to address inequality. She pointed to Australians generating their wealth from housing, and said we should explore "setting boundaries" around that investment. "How can we retain existing housing stock in regional areas for housing and home, rather than so much of it being held as vacant investment or being used as tourism investments?" she said. "We need some urgency to establishing some parameters to reduce spiralling inequality." She argued a limit of how many properties any one person could own could help keep house prices lower and could take the pressure off rental shortages — especially as the federal government's COVID support measures come to an end. [quote]Economist Cameron Murray said there was little political will to act to decrease housing prices, particularly among households that use property as investment. "The political reality is that we want higher and rising house prices, it's a political winner and doing something to stop that is political suicide," he said. [quote]Increasing stock in social housing should be part of a national housing policy, said Professor Pawson, who pointed out that Australia's social housing numbers had remained stagnant over the years despite a growing population, meaning its capacity to house those in need had reduced over the years. Professors Stone and ViforJ agreed that increasing social housing stock was needed to help those most in need of secure housing, but Dr Murray said perhaps Australia should rethink its whole approach to subsidising housing. He pointed to Singapore where about 80 per cent of the population was able to buy a subsidised home through the government. "To me, Singapore's public housing model is probably one of the best interventions," Dr Murray said. "It's essentially a public, subsidised doorway to get into the market."

Quote:

House prices and rising rents are a major problem if you are a renter who can't afford to buy a house, but are probably not your concern if you own property. However, all four experts warn that if we let housing inequality continue to grow unabated, it will affect everyone. "A continual upward trend in house prices that outstrip wage growth should be a concern for homeowners, especially those carrying a mortgage," Professor ViforJ said. "Highly indebted homeowners are more likely to fall behind on mortgage payments if they were, to say, become unemployed or go through a period of financial difficulty." Professor Stone said if the federal government did not do more to balance the housing market, Australia would have an "increasing pool of losers and a smaller, wealthier group of property winners". "Without intervention we will see an increase in homelessness. "We know that an unequal society with a high degree of economic polarisation is going to undermine our economy in the longer term."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/policy-ideas-to-solve-national-housing-crisis-australia/13185064
[/quote]

There's no argument that "something" should be done.

But starting us on the path to limiting the right to own property?

A "Politically courageous" decision by any Government seeking to implement that. One that would likely see them removed from office at the next election.

There are other levers which would help "soften" speculation...but look at how one of those were portrayed at the last Fed. election... ::)[/quote]


Yes, unfortunately Murdoch would have a field day stirring up discontent amongst the property barons and further using scare tactics to convince the wider electorate to vote against their better interest

Control the press ,control the sheeple. Hopefully into the future, millennials will prove more savvy and awakened to this abuse of power.

0ktema wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 9:47am:

Mix_Master wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 7:50am: 0ktema wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:59pm: "Experts say this is what Australia needs to do to solve the housing crisis" Quote: Professor Pawson, at the City Futures Research Centre UNSW, went on to say: "We don't necessarily need to spend more money on housing as a country, we need to spend more smartly". "We have to measure the problem and commit to a strategy which addresses what we find." We also need to have "brave conversations" according to Swinburne University Professor of Housing Policy, Wendy Stone, who said just building more housing did not help to address inequality. She pointed to Australians generating their wealth from housing, and said we should explore "setting boundaries" around that investment. "How can we retain existing housing stock in regional areas for housing and home, rather than so much of it being held as vacant investment or being used as tourism investments?" she said. "We need some urgency to establishing some parameters to reduce spiralling inequality." She argued a limit of how many properties any one person could own could help keep house prices lower and could take the pressure off rental shortages — especially as the federal government's COVID support measures come to an end. [quote]Economist Cameron Murray said there was little political will to act to decrease housing prices, particularly among households that use property as investment. "The political reality is that we want higher and rising house prices, it's a political winner and doing something to stop that is political suicide," he said. [quote]Increasing stock in social housing should be part of a national housing policy, said Professor Pawson, who pointed out that Australia's social housing numbers had remained stagnant over the years despite a growing population, meaning its capacity to house those in need had reduced over the years. Professors Stone and ViforJ agreed that increasing social housing stock was needed to help those most in need of secure housing, but Dr Murray said perhaps Australia should rethink its whole approach to subsidising housing. He pointed to Singapore where about 80 per cent of the population was able to buy a subsidised home through the government. "To me, Singapore's public housing model is probably one of the best interventions," Dr Murray said. "It's essentially a public, subsidised doorway to get into the market." [quote]House prices and rising rents are a major problem if you are a renter who can't afford to buy a house, but are probably not your concern if you own property. However, all four experts warn that if we let housing inequality continue to grow unabated, it will affect everyone. "A continual upward trend in house prices that outstrip wage growth should be a concern for homeowners, especially those carrying a mortgage," Professor ViforJ said. "Highly indebted homeowners are more likely to fall behind on mortgage payments if they were, to say, become unemployed or go through a period of financial difficulty." Professor Stone said if the federal government did not do more to balance the housing market, Australia would have an "increasing pool of losers and a smaller, wealthier group of property winners". "Without intervention we will see an increase in homelessness. "We know that an unequal society with a high degree of economic polarisation is going to undermine our economy in the longer term."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-27/policy-ideas-to-solve-national-housing-crisis-australia/13185064
[/quote]

There's no argument that "something" should be done.

But starting us on the path to limiting the right to own property?

A "Politically courageous" decision by any Government seeking to implement that. One that would likely see them removed from office at the next election.

There are other levers which would help "soften" speculation...but look at how one of those were portrayed at the last Fed. election... ::)[/quote]


Yes, unfortunately Murdoch would have a field day stirring up discontent amongst the property barons and further using scare tactics to convince the wider electorate to vote against their better interest

Control the press ,control the sheeple. Hopefully into the future, millennials will prove more savvy and awakened to this abuse of power.
[/quote]

I have my doubts.

Gnads wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 8:57am:

Carl D wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 1:54pm: Jasin wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:41am: I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions. ...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house. Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places. So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house? True, but the shocking condition (especially the outsides) of a lot of public housing has also been caused by decades of neglect by State and Federal governments. I recently spoke to the new owners of one of the many former public housing properties that have been sold off in our area alone over the past few years and they're literally ripping everything out - toilets, sinks, etc. and starting from scratch. I jokingly suggested they might have been better off just demolishing the entire house and rebuilding but they love the 'challenge' (and, its a huge one by the look of things) of bringing the place back up to a reasonable standard. Sorry .... the govt doesn't need to mow the yard nor does it leave car bodies & rubbish laying around the yard ..... The decay & neglect is caused by a big proportion of tenants and is so vast that govts can' keep up.

In single dwellings yes. But, there are quite a few community public housing complexes in our area alone with up to 8 individual homes in them with 'common' garden areas that the government (Department of Housing) are supposed to maintain but they don't, of course.

There's one not far from us with 8 houses in it - each home's front (and back, presumably) small gardens are well looked after by the tenants (elderly) but the common garden areas (and the gutters and roofs, numerous gaps in the brickwork decades after they were built caused by dodgy cheap builders putting too much water in the cement etc.) that are supposed to be looked after by the Department are an absolute disgrace (I strongly suspect the Department is just waiting for all or most of the elderly tenants to "drop off the perch" and then they will sell these properties like they've done with many others in our area alone).

If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates.

Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere.

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 1:47pm:

If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates. Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere.

If the issue of homelessness really mattered to you, then you'd be posting your opinion on how it could best be remedied, instead of wiping your hands of the issue with the use of a tired old trope!

Extremism or Fairness, Love or Hatred, Greed or Generosity, Stupidity or Intelligence, Socialism or Capitalism. If it were simply a black or white field of choice, it would be simple to presume to which categories you might belong, but that wouldn't be all that fair would it?   ;)

I'm sure if you really tried, you could offer more than a backhanded, divisive, polarizing cheap shot.

So the worthy Battler-Bogan does everything right with his Housing Commission home with sincere gratefullness and keeps the house in good order.

While the Bludger-Houso trashes it and says give me another one, just like the other one (da da da da da dum).

...but what if the Bludger-Houso is rejected another and forced onto the street? Of course there will be a bit of violence and threat from the Bludger-Houso - mostly at people who can't defend themselves (like Centrelink Staff, etc). But the B-H will live in the storm water drain and begin to commit crimes to get his money even more desperately.

...then you'll have an underclass of Criminal homelessness.
Ring a bell? Britain's excuse to send this lot to Australia.
But where would we send our lot of the Criminal Homeless?
Growing in population each year.
Should we just let them fall from grace?
It might mean you may have to pass about 5 of them on your way home, let alone for the teens who walk to school.


Of course, you could drag them out into the desert and make them do a 'course'.  ;) But that would have Human Right's Activists on your back the moment these B-H's have a cry about it. You can't change the Gollums.

^^^
Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains.

0ktema wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 3:01pm:

^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains.

True Oktema. Life is like a Prison - you just have to endure it the best you can.

Bludger-Houso: "Hey JaSin, give us another house on your taxpaying!"
JaSin: "Fine. How's your wife and sisters by the way?"

0ktema wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 2:31pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 1:47pm: If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates. Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere. If the issue of homelessness really mattered to you, then you'd be posting your opinion on how it could best be remedied, instead of wiping your hands of the issue with the use of a tired old trope! Extremism or Fairness, Love or Hatred, Greed or Generosity, Stupidity or Intelligence, Socialism or Capitalism. If it were simply a black or white field of choice, it would be simple to presume to which categories you might belong, but that wouldn't be all that fair would it?   ;) I'm sure if you really tried, you could offer more than a backhanded, divisive, polarizing cheap shot.

Hmmm...

When my daughter was in secondary school, she befriended an orphan girl who had been dumped by her foster parent. She was NZer by birth and had a younger brother still in NZ. She came to live with me and mine. She was deeply unwell experiencing psychosis due to various traumas, with her most significant resulting in her hospitalization.

Whilst she was in hospital, I wrote a scathing letter to the state minister from human services complaining about the profound lack of duty expressed by the social workers... that this poor soul has been completely dispossessed of kin and country and they have done nothing to resolve that... not to mention their lack of action on her illness of which they were warned, prior to her being taken to hospital.

I demanded that the poor soul be repatriated and placed into foster care as close to her brother as possible. I also demanded that the woman who left her in Australia, be charged with abandonment.

I'm not sure if the women was charged, but I do know that the girl ended up living with her brother's foster parents.

You see, I took responsibility for the girl, when the system failed her.

Another story...
I live in a large 4BR home that I own. When my children moved out, I considered down sizing. good thing I didn't because my daughter and grandchildren now live with me.

Just recently, my son's best friend has taken over the second living space as he strives to reconcile with his partner. He knows that he is welcome for as long as needed.

Now, I'm not a socialist... just a kind, middle-aged capitalist....

But I figure that Socialist, can do as I have.

Is that enough of a rant for you?

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:02pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 2:31pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 1:47pm: If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates. Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere. If the issue of homelessness really mattered to you, then you'd be posting your opinion on how it could best be remedied, instead of wiping your hands of the issue with the use of a tired old trope! Extremism or Fairness, Love or Hatred, Greed or Generosity, Stupidity or Intelligence, Socialism or Capitalism. If it were simply a black or white field of choice, it would be simple to presume to which categories you might belong, but that wouldn't be all that fair would it?   ;) I'm sure if you really tried, you could offer more than a backhanded, divisive, polarizing cheap shot. Hmmm... When my daughter was in secondary school, she befriended an orphan girl who had been dumped by her foster parent. She was NZer by birth and had a younger brother still in NZ. She came to live with me and mine. She was deeply unwell experiencing psychosis due to various traumas, with her most significant resulting in her hospitalization. Whilst she was in hospital, I wrote a scathing letter to the state minister from human services complaining about the profound lack of duty expressed by the social workers... that this poor soul has been completely dispossessed of kin and country and they have done nothing to resolve that... not to mention their lack of action on her illness of which they were warned, prior to her being taken to hospital. I demanded that the poor soul be repatriated and placed into foster care as close to her brother as possible. I also demanded that the woman who left her in Australia, be charged with abandonment. I'm not sure if the women was charged, but I do know that the girl ended up living with her brother's foster parents. You see, I took responsibility for the girl, when the system failed her. Another story... I live in a large 4BR home that I own. When my children moved out, I considered down sizing. good thing I didn't because my daughter and grandchildren now live with me. Just recently, my son's best friend has taken over the second living space as he strives to reconcile with his partner. He knows that he is welcome for as long as needed. Now, I'm not a socialist... just a kind, middle-aged capitalist.... But I figure that Socialist, can do as I have. Is that enough of a rant for you?

well done CP.. you stood up and were counted....I am sure the lass you saved will remember you for life.....one of the girls that came to live with me  wasnt abandoned by her whole family but the mother left her and her 3 young siblings when she was 9,mum  went off with a younger man  the father went rushing off to find another women  because he didnt want to take care of 4 kids....so he ended up finding one who had two sons   that the sun shone out of...they all moved into this womens home which had 3 bedrooms so dad puts up fake walls for his 4 kids.... the step mother didnt like his children  so it ended up with this lass cooking and washing and caring for her 3 siblings   we found out about all this when she came home with my youngest from school one day  she was so small and almost timid 13 yrs old....eventually she moved in with us   after her father put her into a home for women run by lesbians....I went berserk ,, she ended up living with me for about 6 years in between I helped the younger girls  they werent as badly treated as the eldest... father once threw her over the front of the car in rage...shes now in Darwin with her own family I am glad to say  but she doesnt forget me...  I have known one or two sad and frustrating cases....sadly it all part of the human race    we cant legislate against this anymore than we can legislate against RAPE..all the laws under the sun   doesnt stop any of it.....

Gnads wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 9:01am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 8:33am: Neferti wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:18am: When I first came to Canberra, there was a Housing Estate/Building of units up in Melba.  It was called The Ghetto as it was full of welfare recipients (dole bludgers).  They eventually pulled it down as it was an eyesore. After that, ACT Housing bought houses in various suburbs to "mix in" with normal home owners.  However, you can still tell a house that is occupied by a dole bludger as they never mow the lawn, have broken down cars on the lawn, and the place usually looks like a "houso" lives there. A real turn off it you are looking to buy a house.  :o Plenty of places like that in Melbourne - idiots in a housing commission places high on ice and any other drugs they can get hold of and some are using disability support payments to fund it - all while more deserving people can't get the DSP. plenty of idiots like that outside of housing commission homes as well. Same idiots living in private rentals... any in yours?  ::)

Im no longer in the rental game. ... but i've had my share of both good and bad

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2021 at 8:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 3:14pm: rhino wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 2:36pm: Some people appear to think homelessness is primarily just about people not having a stable home. Its not. We could build 10 million cheap homes and not solve this issue, homelessness is mainly a symptom of other issues in that persons life. Society needs to focus on the cause.  Drug, alcohol abuse and mental health issues are implicated as major issues for the homeless. Some homeless people are the recipients of a totally schit hand in life, but as you said, drugs and alcohol are a huge part. The people whose lives fall apart after 2 weeks of hardship haven't lived their lives responsibly, pissing their money against the wall and not socking money away for a rainy day. Bet they never had 2 jobs and worked themselves so hard they've fallen asleep standing up :)  Also, dig into the backstories of people living rough and you'll nearly always hear about estranged children, so they were also failures as parents too. Nobody I know would let their mum or dad sleep on the farqing street. Yes, some people have a really tough life. Yes, probably noone you know would leave their parents sleeping rough.

Works both ways ... no parent I know would throw their kids out on the street either ... and yet it happens

CP & Cods:Two very good posts. Two very good Members.  8-) 8-)

cods wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:02pm: 0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 2:31pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 1:47pm: If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates. Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere. If the issue of homelessness really mattered to you, then you'd be posting your opinion on how it could best be remedied, instead of wiping your hands of the issue with the use of a tired old trope! Extremism or Fairness, Love or Hatred, Greed or Generosity, Stupidity or Intelligence, Socialism or Capitalism. If it were simply a black or white field of choice, it would be simple to presume to which categories you might belong, but that wouldn't be all that fair would it?   ;) I'm sure if you really tried, you could offer more than a backhanded, divisive, polarizing cheap shot. Hmmm... When my daughter was in secondary school, she befriended an orphan girl who had been dumped by her foster parent. She was NZer by birth and had a younger brother still in NZ. She came to live with me and mine. She was deeply unwell experiencing psychosis due to various traumas, with her most significant resulting in her hospitalization. Whilst she was in hospital, I wrote a scathing letter to the state minister from human services complaining about the profound lack of duty expressed by the social workers... that this poor soul has been completely dispossessed of kin and country and they have done nothing to resolve that... not to mention their lack of action on her illness of which they were warned, prior to her being taken to hospital. I demanded that the poor soul be repatriated and placed into foster care as close to her brother as possible. I also demanded that the woman who left her in Australia, be charged with abandonment. I'm not sure if the women was charged, but I do know that the girl ended up living with her brother's foster parents. You see, I took responsibility for the girl, when the system failed her. Another story... I live in a large 4BR home that I own. When my children moved out, I considered down sizing. good thing I didn't because my daughter and grandchildren now live with me. Just recently, my son's best friend has taken over the second living space as he strives to reconcile with his partner. He knows that he is welcome for as long as needed. Now, I'm not a socialist... just a kind, middle-aged capitalist.... But I figure that Socialist, can do as I have. Is that enough of a rant for you? well done CP.. you stood up and were counted....I am sure the lass you saved will remember you for life.....one of the girls that came to live with me  wasnt abandoned by her whole family but the mother left her and her 3 young siblings when she was 9,mum  went off with a younger man  the father went rushing off to find another women  because he didnt want to take care of 4 kids....so he ended up finding one who had two sons   that the sun shone out of...they all moved into this womens home which had 3 bedrooms so dad puts up fake walls for his 4 kids.... the step mother didnt like his children  so it ended up with this lass cooking and washing and caring for her 3 siblings   we found out about all this when she came home with my youngest from school one day  she was so small and almost timid 13 yrs old....eventually she moved in with us   after her father put her into a home for women run by lesbians....I went berserk ,, she ended up living with me for about 6 years in between I helped the younger girls  they werent as badly treated as the eldest... father once threw her over the front of the car in rage...shes now in Darwin with her own family I am glad to say  but she doesnt forget me...  I have known one or two sad and frustrating cases....sadly it all part of the human race    we cant legislate against this anymore than we can legislate against RAPE..all the laws under the sun   doesnt stop any of it.....

Well Done 'Credible Poster' and Cods.

Most humans are humane.

Gnads wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 8:38am:

As that maybe .... it is still no excuse to treat govt. owned housing like a dump & live like pigs.

Most dept of housing tenants I came across try to look after the property and do a fairly good job of it. They have to ... relying on the govt. to fix things that break is a fools errand

Jasin wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:23pm:

CP & Cods:Two very good posts. Two very good Members.  8-) 8-)

yes.

My parent's threw me out at 5.
Eldest Sibling was Father's favourite.
Youngest Sibling usurped me for the Mother
and I was jilted out of the door to be taken care of by God.
Typical Middle-Child. ::)
This is me running amok in 'Mad' Mt Druitt with me Boong mates that adopted me.

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:25pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:23pm: CP & Cods:Two very good posts. Two very good Members.  8-) 8-) yes.

thank you so much....I usually get the reverse comments...  I have had a few lost kids  through my house, not always sure why they couldnt live at home but its what we did   now I am down to puppy sitting during the day....and it breaks my heart to read where animals are being dumped now covids lockdowns have passed......I dont know what is happening to us as a nation  :'( :'(

Carl D wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 8:57am: Carl D wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 1:54pm: Jasin wrote on Mar 15th, 2021 at 11:41am: I'm sorry to say this WhiteKnight for your cause is always of good intentions. ...but a LOT of Public Housing must be destroyed because they are permanently infected with the toxicity of ICE, Amphetamines, etc. This is just as dangerous as living in an asbestos (broken) house. Allowing people to re-inhabit these Houses, Units, etc that are only given a 'fresh paint job' - let alone to purchase them is just dangerous and irresponsible. People become very sick from inhabiting these places. So how would you stop the junkies ruining another taxpayer free house? True, but the shocking condition (especially the outsides) of a lot of public housing has also been caused by decades of neglect by State and Federal governments. I recently spoke to the new owners of one of the many former public housing properties that have been sold off in our area alone over the past few years and they're literally ripping everything out - toilets, sinks, etc. and starting from scratch. I jokingly suggested they might have been better off just demolishing the entire house and rebuilding but they love the 'challenge' (and, its a huge one by the look of things) of bringing the place back up to a reasonable standard. Sorry .... the govt doesn't need to mow the yard nor does it leave car bodies & rubbish laying around the yard ..... The decay & neglect is caused by a big proportion of tenants and is so vast that govts can' keep up. In single dwellings yes. But, there are quite a few community public housing complexes in our area alone with up to 8 individual homes in them with 'common' garden areas that the government (Department of Housing) are supposed to maintain but they don't, of course. There's one not far from us with 8 houses in it - each home's front (and back, presumably) small gardens are well looked after by the tenants (elderly) but the common garden areas (and the gutters and roofs, numerous gaps in the brickwork decades after they were built caused by dodgy cheap builders putting too much water in the cement etc.) that are supposed to be looked after by the Department are an absolute disgrace (I strongly suspect the Department is just waiting for all or most of the elderly tenants to "drop off the perch" and then they will sell these properties like they've done with many others in our area alone).

seen first hand many cases where the govt. refused to maintain the house, and instead offer the tenant alternative accommodation, because they want to demolish the single dwelling house to build multi dwelling units in it's place ... when tenants have lived their for 30 or 40 yrs, raised their families there, it's not that easy to move. If they refuse the govt. will wait them out ... all the while the house is falling fown around the tenant

jas that isnt amusing....get back on those meds

cods wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:30pm:

jas that isnt amusing....get back on those meds

Like a Boomerang. I kept coming back to the house just to annoy them all until I finally left at a more mature age after finishing school.  ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:18pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:02pm: 0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 2:31pm: Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 1:47pm: If this was an issue that truly mattered to socialist, then they would already have their doors open to those in need, providing secure shelter at heavily subsidized rates. Mainstream society would know when this happened. Their virtue would be broadcast throughout the twittersphere. If the issue of homelessness really mattered to you, then you'd be posting your opinion on how it could best be remedied, instead of wiping your hands of the issue with the use of a tired old trope! Extremism or Fairness, Love or Hatred, Greed or Generosity, Stupidity or Intelligence, Socialism or Capitalism. If it were simply a black or white field of choice, it would be simple to presume to which categories you might belong, but that wouldn't be all that fair would it?   ;) I'm sure if you really tried, you could offer more than a backhanded, divisive, polarizing cheap shot. Hmmm... When my daughter was in secondary school, she befriended an orphan girl who had been dumped by her foster parent. She was NZer by birth and had a younger brother still in NZ. She came to live with me and mine. She was deeply unwell experiencing psychosis due to various traumas, with her most significant resulting in her hospitalization. Whilst she was in hospital, I wrote a scathing letter to the state minister from human services complaining about the profound lack of duty expressed by the social workers... that this poor soul has been completely dispossessed of kin and country and they have done nothing to resolve that... not to mention their lack of action on her illness of which they were warned, prior to her being taken to hospital. I demanded that the poor soul be repatriated and placed into foster care as close to her brother as possible. I also demanded that the woman who left her in Australia, be charged with abandonment. I'm not sure if the women was charged, but I do know that the girl ended up living with her brother's foster parents. You see, I took responsibility for the girl, when the system failed her. Another story... I live in a large 4BR home that I own. When my children moved out, I considered down sizing. good thing I didn't because my daughter and grandchildren now live with me. Just recently, my son's best friend has taken over the second living space as he strives to reconcile with his partner. He knows that he is welcome for as long as needed. Now, I'm not a socialist... just a kind, middle-aged capitalist.... But I figure that Socialist, can do as I have. Is that enough of a rant for you? well done CP.. you stood up and were counted....I am sure the lass you saved will remember you for life.....one of the girls that came to live with me  wasnt abandoned by her whole family but the mother left her and her 3 young siblings when she was 9,mum  went off with a younger man  the father went rushing off to find another women  because he didnt want to take care of 4 kids....so he ended up finding one who had two sons   that the sun shone out of...they all moved into this womens home which had 3 bedrooms so dad puts up fake walls for his 4 kids.... the step mother didnt like his children  so it ended up with this lass cooking and washing and caring for her 3 siblings   we found out about all this when she came home with my youngest from school one day  she was so small and almost timid 13 yrs old....eventually she moved in with us   after her father put her into a home for women run by lesbians....I went berserk ,, she ended up living with me for about 6 years in between I helped the younger girls  they werent as badly treated as the eldest... father once threw her over the front of the car in rage...shes now in Darwin with her own family I am glad to say  but she doesnt forget me...  I have known one or two sad and frustrating cases....sadly it all part of the human race    we cant legislate against this anymore than we can legislate against RAPE..all the laws under the sun   doesnt stop any of it..... Well Done 'Credible Poster' and Cods. Most humans are humane.

Yes, well done the two of you. Your gift of help is highly commendable and you've provided examples that may inspire others to do likewise.

The way I see it, providing public housing can offer many similar help to many who may have failed to find the kindness you offered. 

Good stories and a welcome change from mere venting of partisan politics.

 

0ktema wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 3:01pm:

^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains.

Actually, you have missed the point, completely.
Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them.

What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges?
If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

0ktema wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 3:01pm:

^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains.

Actually, you have missed the point, completely.
Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them.

What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges?
If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

Jasin wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:30pm: jas that isnt amusing....get back on those meds Like a Boomerang. I kept coming back to the house just to annoy them all until I finally left at a more mature age after finishing school.  ;)

You reached maturity?  I'm flabbergasted!

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 11:20pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 3:01pm: ^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains. Actually, you have missed the point, completely. Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them. What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

Sure, spend more money on social workers training. But was training the essential issue in this case?
Is it possible that a combination of overworked staff and lack of resources could have been contributing factors?

Unfortunately there are always going to be failings in such systems. However using a few individual cases to justify the wholesale reduction or blocking of legitimate spending is a disingenuous act often used to promote a simplistic ideology.

Simplistic ideologies prove attractive and are often exploited, as they can pay handsome political dividends. But they do us no favors in the long run!    

On the matter housing, demand is high, and supply is low. The govt could release more land for the development of medium density accommodation.

Currently, as I understand it, the land is allocated in dribs and drabs so that market prices result in sustained equity, for and sellers.
If we flood the market with cheap housing, then everyone could be housed, Yes?

Of course, the consequence of this would be to devalue current stock and reduce equity for owners. The million-dollar house would be worth much less, although the mortgage wouldn’t.
Indeed, that was what happened in the US, and the socialists weren’t too happy with that!
There is another way…

Now that the retail market is in decline, we could rezone and repurpose shop fronts, converting them into studio apartments.

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 11:20pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 3:01pm: ^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains. Actually, you have missed the point, completely. Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them. What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

Budget

And would you like to work 'down there' amongst the filth and sadness? Bills have to be paid or one can end up on the street as well for being too compassionate by working for peanuts.

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 12:51am:

On the matter housing, demand is high, and supply is low. The govt could release more land for the development of medium density accommodation. Currently, as I understand it, the land is allocated in dribs and drabs so that market prices result in sustained equity, for and sellers. If we flood the market with cheap housing, then everyone could be housed, Yes? Of course, the consequence of this would be to devalue current stock and reduce equity for owners. The million-dollar house would be worth much less, although the mortgage wouldn’t. Indeed, that was what happened in the US, and the socialists weren’t too happy with that! There is another way… Now that the retail market is in decline, we could rezone and repurpose shop fronts, converting them into studio apartments.

Yep, putting so much reliance on the housing sector to drive the economy has created an over inflated market. A frenzy of buying and selling has created many equity winners and currently leaves many new owners in an unenviable position if prices were to fall.

I like your idea of repurposing retail space, there's probably a quite a bit of redundant office space above the shops that could be used as well.

Our social housing stock has been in decline for decades and I could see a measured increase being readily absorbed by the market. In the coming years we're more in danger than ever, of further overheating, with interest rates remaining knocked out on the floor. Building social housing could in-fact prove a useful dampener for the market. 

So you're saying - building more houses would not only make more availability, but lessen the cost of homes for new and used due to a greater quantity? Building more creates more trades jobs, etc?

0ktema wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 12:46am:

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:20pm: 0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 3:01pm: ^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains. Actually, you have missed the point, completely. Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them. What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society. Sure, spend more money on social workers training. But was training the essential issue in this case? Is it possible that a combination of overworked staff and lack of resources could have been contributing factors? Unfortunately there are always going to be failings in such systems. However using a few individual cases to justify the wholesale reduction or blocking of legitimate spending is a disingenuous act often used to promote a simplistic ideology. Simplistic ideologies prove attractive and are often exploited, as they can pay handsome political dividends. But they do us no favors in the long run!

The issue with social workers (I've dated one - later she had an affair with an Aboriginal client who tried to kill her  ::) ) is not the training available - it is, as I've said about police forces and ADFA and any number of other areas of life - selection and oversight.

The first duty of a good manager/leader is to select the best people for the job; the second is to ensure that they are trained and know the job including pitfalls; the third is to monitor and oversee their application of training in the field.

That third, in my eyes, was sadly lacking in our special forces in Afghanistan - a failure of PROPER leadership/command and control which has lead to a number of on the ground people faced with often instant decisions on the ground, being placed in the harm's way of 'impartial' investigation long after the event.

Easy to say in the cool air conditioned court room that a person should have done such and such... not so easy to be there at the time.  Proper training and oversight and constant revision and reinforcement are necessary to allay the chances of wrong occurring.

Sorry - I get distracted - same with social workers.... when you see a 'social worker' do the sh1t I mentioned above - or 'counsel' a Lebo serial rapist in a prison and end up marrying him and having his children - you truly have to wonder.

Maybe women should not be allowed in these situations in the first place *... the sometimes dreadful decisions they make under the influence of their hormones are... dreadful.


*a woman lawyer officer discussed a specific action by a Commando** unit in circumstances which she had no way of understanding or relating to - to the detriment of that Commando's mental well-being - another one of two star rank said that the prevalence of PTSD among serving soldiers in Afghanistan and recently returned was no higher than in the general community - she had equally no way of knowing, but she had the 'qualifications' and the badges so easily handed out to the wrong types these days

** in a clear incident of receiving fire from a building, and on approval from his senior, he threw a hand grenade into the building, and killed and injured women and children inside who he had no way of knowing were there.. she wanted his balls.... that man is a wreck and a father himself.

Jasin wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 1:32am:

So you're saying - building more houses would not only make more availability, but lessen the cost of homes for new and used due to a greater quantity? Building more creates more trades jobs, etc?

Well - yes - but first you would need to contain the current mad rush to Populate From the Third World And Perish that is the policy of governments various.... for the ends of their mates, the developers, building companies, serial property hoarders including themselves and related industries...

Until you build a sandbag wall against the flood, you can not begin to lower the flood level inside the bags and raise the houses from the mud .......

Bed time - been chatting over a problem....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 1:36am:

0ktema wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 12:46am: Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 11:20pm: 0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 3:01pm: ^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains. Actually, you have missed the point, completely. Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them. What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society. Sure, spend more money on social workers training. But was training the essential issue in this case? Is it possible that a combination of overworked staff and lack of resources could have been contributing factors? Unfortunately there are always going to be failings in such systems. However using a few individual cases to justify the wholesale reduction or blocking of legitimate spending is a disingenuous act often used to promote a simplistic ideology. Simplistic ideologies prove attractive and are often exploited, as they can pay handsome political dividends. But they do us no favors in the long run!     The issue with social workers (I've dated one - later she had an affair with an Aboriginal client who tried to kill her  ::) ) is not the training available - it is, as I've said about police forces and ADFA and any number of other areas of life - selection and oversight. The first duty of a good manager/leader is to select the best people for the job; the second is to ensure that they are trained and know the job including pitfalls; the third is to monitor and oversee their application of training in the field. That third, in my eyes, was sadly lacking in our special forces in Afghanistan - a failure of PROPER leadership/command and control which has lead to a number of on the ground people faced with often instant decisions on the ground, being placed in the harm's way of 'impartial' investigation long after the event. Easy to say in the cool air conditioned court room that a person should have done such and such... not so easy to be there at the time.  Proper training and oversight and constant revision and reinforcement are necessary to allay the chances of wrong occurring. Sorry - I get distracted - same with social workers.... when you see a 'social worker' do the sh1t I mentioned above - or 'counsel' a Lebo serial rapist in a prison and end up marrying him and having his children - you truly have to wonder. Maybe women should not be allowed in these situations in the first place *... the sometimes dreadful decisions they make under the influence of their hormones are... dreadful. *a woman lawyer officer discussed a specific action by a Commando** unit in circumstances which she had no way of understanding or relating to - to the detriment of that Commando's mental well-being - another one of two star rank said that the prevalence of PTSD among serving soldiers in Afghanistan and recently returned was no higher than in the general community - she had equally no way of knowing, but she had the 'qualifications' and the badges so easily handed out to the wrong types these days ** in a clear incident of receiving fire from a building, and on approval from his senior, he threw a hand grenade into the building, and killed and injured women and children inside who he had no way of knowing were there.. she wanted his balls.... that man is a wreck and a father himself.

you started off so well going on about the training then you just went into your usual hate for women in general

Spor

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 11:20pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 3:01pm: ^^^ Yep, that's why it's worth spending money on the social fabric, even if, in some cases and on some individuals it can appear to be wasted. In the end society as a whole gains. Actually, you have missed the point, completely. Australia spent a fortune on this lost soul. She had already been in our country for 18 months yet repatriating the girl had never occurred to the social workers! Reconnecting the girl to her younger brother, her only brother, that was her only living family… never occurred to them. What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

It's a stressful job where you can be damned if you do or damned if you do ...

but your right ... they are failing & too many children are still dying in family environments which they should be removed from......

then you have those who would say any children removed are "stolen".

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 12:51am:

On the matter housing, demand is high, and supply is low. The govt could release more land for the development of medium density accommodation. Currently, as I understand it, the land is allocated in dribs and drabs so that market prices result in sustained equity, for and sellers. If we flood the market with cheap housing, then everyone could be housed, Yes? Of course, the consequence of this would be to devalue current stock and reduce equity for owners. The million-dollar house would be worth much less, although the mortgage wouldn’t. Indeed, that was what happened in the US, and the socialists weren’t too happy with that! There is another way… Now that the retail market is in decline, we could rezone and repurpose shop fronts, converting them into studio apartments.

Have you seen the developments of medium to high density housing going on in cities like Brisbane or other capitals?

On blocks of from around 450sq mtrs to 630 sq mtrs where boundaries are virtually your neighbors walls & where house soffits under or overlap each other?

Packing more people into close quarters brings with it another whole potential scenario for detrimental social issues.

Gnads wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 8:36am:

It's a stressful job where you can be damned if you do or damned if you do ... but your right ... they are failing & too many children are still dying in family environments which they should be removed from...... then you have those who would say any children removed are "stolen".

you can please some of the people some of the time... ::) ::)


sadly we seem to highlight the deplorable people in society.. they need to be jailed and forgotten about....look at Milat  we are still talking about him after all these years      yet few would remember his victims... >:(

John Smith wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 6:29pm:

seen first hand many cases where the govt. refused to maintain the house, and instead offer the tenant alternative accommodation, because they want to demolish the single dwelling house to build multi dwelling units in it's place ... when tenants have lived their for 30 or 40 yrs, raised their families there, it's not that easy to move. If they refuse the govt. will wait them out ... all the while the house is falling fown around the tenant

Hi, John.

Yep, disgraceful isn't it? You'd think the taxpayers of this country would be demanding to know why all of these public housing properties Australia wide which have been paid for out of their taxes have been (and continue to be) allowed to just deteriorate to the point where the only remaining options are to sell or demolish them since governments don't want to spend money to maintain them properly.

I've spoken to a few of the elderly tenants in the units near us and suggested to them that the Department of Housing are 'technically' in breach of their lease agreements seeing as they're supposed to be maintaining the common garden areas but when you look at it you'd be forgiven for believing the Department had a different definition of maintenance than the rest of us have (these units are over 30 years old).

They would probably say they are maintaining the common garden areas since they apparently have these so called gardeners that come around once a month and all they do is run along the edges of the paths with an edger (even though nothing is growing over or near the paths except for a few weeds) then they use a whipper snipper to cut the numerous weeds down (which then grow again, of course) and finally they run around with a leaf blower to remove the mess from the paths which they just blow onto the common "garden" areas and never clean it up.

As for their roofs and gutters - the only time some of the tenants have seen any work done there was a few years ago when one of the "maintenance workers" was on the roofs with a tube of silicone presumably patching cracked tiles.

There needs to be something like a Royal Commission into the way public housing  is run in this country but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

Nom de Plume wrote on Mar 16^th, 2021 at 11:21pm:

What kind of Social Workers are we creating that they fail to identify the true needs of their charges? If you really want to spend some money on the social fabric… spend it on re-training the social workers because they are failing our society.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 1:36am:

The issue with social workers (I've dated one - later she had an affair with an Aboriginal client who tried to kill her  ::) ) is not the training available - it is, as I've said about police forces and ADFA and any number of other areas of life - selection and oversight. The first duty of a good manager/leader is to select the best people for the job; the second is to ensure that they are trained and know the job including pitfalls; the third is to monitor and oversee their application of training in the field. That third, in my eyes, was sadly lacking in our special forces in Afghanistan - a failure of PROPER leadership/command and control which has lead to a number of on the ground people faced with often instant decisions on the ground, being placed in the harm's way of 'impartial' investigation long after the event. Easy to say in the cool air conditioned court room that a person should have done such and such... not so easy to be there at the time.  Proper training and oversight and constant revision and reinforcement are necessary to allay the chances of wrong occurring.

You both highlight some of the issues to be faced in the social work system.

Reducing rather than adding, unnecessary housing stress into the equation, would seem a rational thing to do. Government housing policy is creating many winners it is also squeezing some to desperation. Why let people fall to the level where problems may need to be addressed by often less than effective social work?

Carl D wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 10:16am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:29pm: seen first hand many cases where the govt. refused to maintain the house, and instead offer the tenant alternative accommodation, because they want to demolish the single dwelling house to build multi dwelling units in it's place ... when tenants have lived their for 30 or 40 yrs, raised their families there, it's not that easy to move. If they refuse the govt. will wait them out ... all the while the house is falling fown around the tenant Hi, John. Yep, disgraceful isn't it? You'd think the taxpayers of this country would be demanding to know why all of these public housing properties Australia wide which have been paid for out of their taxes have been (and continue to be) allowed to just deteriorate to the point where the only remaining options are to sell or demolish them since governments don't want to spend money to maintain them properly. I've spoken to a few of the elderly tenants in the units near us and suggested to them that the Department of Housing are 'technically' in breach of their lease agreements seeing as they're supposed to be maintaining the common garden areas but when you look at it you'd be forgiven for believing the Department had a different definition of maintenance than the rest of us have (these units are over 30 years old). They would probably say they are maintaining the common garden areas since they apparently have these so called gardeners that come around once a month and all they do is run along the edges of the paths with an edger (even though nothing is growing over or near the paths except for a few weeds) then they use a whipper snipper to cut the numerous weeds down (which then grow again, of course) and finally they run around with a leaf blower to remove the mess from the paths which they just blow onto the common "garden" areas and never clean it up. As for their roofs and gutters - the only time some of the tenants have seen any work done there was a few years ago when one of the "maintenance workers" was on the roofs with a tube of silicone presumably patching cracked tiles. There needs to be something like a Royal Commission into the way public housing  is run in this country but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

its a tough world  carl.d.   buildings get very dated and passed all the maintenance  it is sad for these tenants but if the roof isnt leaking   its not much different to some who live in their own aging homes that need maintenance.... owner are not all that much better off I knew a women in her 90s  who used to chop wood for her only heating...she didnt want to leave her home.. :-/

cods wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 11:01am:

Carl D wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 10:16am: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:29pm: seen first hand many cases where the govt. refused to maintain the house, and instead offer the tenant alternative accommodation, because they want to demolish the single dwelling house to build multi dwelling units in it's place ... when tenants have lived their for 30 or 40 yrs, raised their families there, it's not that easy to move. If they refuse the govt. will wait them out ... all the while the house is falling fown around the tenant Hi, John. Yep, disgraceful isn't it? You'd think the taxpayers of this country would be demanding to know why all of these public housing properties Australia wide which have been paid for out of their taxes have been (and continue to be) allowed to just deteriorate to the point where the only remaining options are to sell or demolish them since governments don't want to spend money to maintain them properly. I've spoken to a few of the elderly tenants in the units near us and suggested to them that the Department of Housing are 'technically' in breach of their lease agreements seeing as they're supposed to be maintaining the common garden areas but when you look at it you'd be forgiven for believing the Department had a different definition of maintenance than the rest of us have (these units are over 30 years old). They would probably say they are maintaining the common garden areas since they apparently have these so called gardeners that come around once a month and all they do is run along the edges of the paths with an edger (even though nothing is growing over or near the paths except for a few weeds) then they use a whipper snipper to cut the numerous weeds down (which then grow again, of course) and finally they run around with a leaf blower to remove the mess from the paths which they just blow onto the common "garden" areas and never clean it up. As for their roofs and gutters - the only time some of the tenants have seen any work done there was a few years ago when one of the "maintenance workers" was on the roofs with a tube of silicone presumably patching cracked tiles. There needs to be something like a Royal Commission into the way public housing  is run in this country but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. its a tough world  carl.d.   buildings get very dated and passed all the maintenance  it is sad for these tenants but if the roof isnt leaking   its not much different to some who live in their own aging homes that need maintenance.... owner are not all that much better off I knew a women in her 90s  who used to chop wood for her only heating...she didnt want to leave her home.. :-/

I saved and paid for my own home.

I save and Pay for all maintenance and gardening.

I save and pay for all repairs and I expect that the home will remain mine until I die.

Now,
Public housing tenants do not
Save and pay for their homes
Do not save and pay for maintenance
Do not save and pay for repairs.
And should not, therefore, expect to live in said property until they die.

Circumstances change.
A home "lent" them at a ridiculously low rent, may fit their needs when they have 3 or 4 kids.
But when the kids move out into their own housing commission homes, There is no longer a need for the person to have a 4 bedroom home.

So, they should get out and let the next load of freeloaders move in.
The single tenant (usually) should move into a small council flat and save us taxpayers some money.

It should be a no-brainer.
If you only need 1 bedroom, you should only get 1 bedroom.
If you really, really want to live in that area,
Get a job, get a mortgage and do what millions of taxpaying, working, white Ango-saxons have been doing for many years.
Otherwise, you have no claim to a "borrowed" home for which you pay a pittance in rent.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 4:21am:

you started off so well going on about the training then you just went into your usual hate for women in general Spor

No hate involved, Spot - I adore women and expect that they behave like adults and as genuine side-by-side equals, not like Entitled™ little school girls who believe they don't have to abide by rules and behaviour, that rules are not made for them, and who are steeped in this idea of 'zero responsibility' for life and their own behaviour' from their mother's knee.

If you think I'm wrong explain to me the social disaster currently engulfing this nation over women and their 'rights', and their ongoing and expanding and often wrong behaviour.  Drive down a highway some time and see who gallops past - you'd be amazed at how many of them doing 130-140kph are women with children on board.... look at who speeds through the 40kph school zone here (the cops park opposite my side fence sometimes and reel them in one after the other on that camera ... look at who is most likely to abide by the rules and who is not in any given situation.

Put simply - if they ever want to be True Equals, women must stop acting like Entitled™ children with all these mythical 'rights' that they cannot even identify realistically (just like your Blacktivists) and behave like sensible and caring adults instead of selfish little princesses (just like your Blacktivists).

Why do you imagine there is a tsunami of Asian women here these days, often married to ancient old saggy-bags?  Because those men are sick and tired of the brutal treatment they have received from women in this nation, and they seek a quiet and friendly twilight for once in their life without all the selfish demanding, but instead with someone who WANTS to be part of 'the team' instead of demanding without reason of qualification that she be the captain.

I'm waiting on lockdown liftoff to bring a Chinese lady lawyer here to extend her career and be with me while we operate as a team ... as I said - she would make your balls ache just to look at her...

Valkie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 12:19pm:

cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 11:01am: Carl D wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 10:16am: John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2021 at 6:29pm: seen first hand many cases where the govt. refused to maintain the house, and instead offer the tenant alternative accommodation, because they want to demolish the single dwelling house to build multi dwelling units in it's place ... when tenants have lived their for 30 or 40 yrs, raised their families there, it's not that easy to move. If they refuse the govt. will wait them out ... all the while the house is falling fown around the tenant Hi, John. Yep, disgraceful isn't it? You'd think the taxpayers of this country would be demanding to know why all of these public housing properties Australia wide which have been paid for out of their taxes have been (and continue to be) allowed to just deteriorate to the point where the only remaining options are to sell or demolish them since governments don't want to spend money to maintain them properly. I've spoken to a few of the elderly tenants in the units near us and suggested to them that the Department of Housing are 'technically' in breach of their lease agreements seeing as they're supposed to be maintaining the common garden areas but when you look at it you'd be forgiven for believing the Department had a different definition of maintenance than the rest of us have (these units are over 30 years old). They would probably say they are maintaining the common garden areas since they apparently have these so called gardeners that come around once a month and all they do is run along the edges of the paths with an edger (even though nothing is growing over or near the paths except for a few weeds) then they use a whipper snipper to cut the numerous weeds down (which then grow again, of course) and finally they run around with a leaf blower to remove the mess from the paths which they just blow onto the common "garden" areas and never clean it up. As for their roofs and gutters - the only time some of the tenants have seen any work done there was a few years ago when one of the "maintenance workers" was on the roofs with a tube of silicone presumably patching cracked tiles. There needs to be something like a Royal Commission into the way public housing  is run in this country but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. its a tough world  carl.d.   buildings get very dated and passed all the maintenance  it is sad for these tenants but if the roof isnt leaking   its not much different to some who live in their own aging homes that need maintenance.... owner are not all that much better off I knew a women in her 90s  who used to chop wood for her only heating...she didnt want to leave her home.. :-/ I saved and paid for my own home. I save and Pay for all maintenance and gardening. I save and pay for all repairs and I expect that the home will remain mine until I die. Now, Public housing tenants do not Save and pay for their homes Do not save and pay for maintenance Do not save and pay for repairs. And should not, therefore, expect to live in said property until they die. Circumstances change. A home "lent" them at a ridiculously low rent, may fit their needs when they have 3 or 4 kids. But when the kids move out into their own housing commission homes, There is no longer a need for the person to have a 4 bedroom home. So, they should get out and let the next load of freeloaders move in. The single tenant (usually) should move into a small council flat and save us taxpayers some money. It should be a no-brainer. If you only need 1 bedroom, you should only get 1 bedroom. If you really, really want to live in that area, Get a job, get a mortgage and do what millions of taxpaying, working, white Ango-saxons have been doing for many years. Otherwise, you have no claim to a "borrowed" home for which you pay a pittance in rent.

You should do your research since as far as i know housing makes you downsize when its just you in the place. in fact a single person isnt allowed a house - they have to have a 1 bedroom flat or unit.

Spot

cods wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 11:01am:

its a tough world  carl.d.   buildings get very dated and passed all the maintenance  it is sad for these tenants but if the roof isnt leaking   its not much different to some who live in their own aging homes that need maintenance.... owner are not all that much better off I knew a women in her 90s  who used to chop wood for her only heating...she didnt want to leave her home.. :-/

One of the problems with public housing Australia wide is that a large part of their (obviously inadequate) maintenance budget is spent on repairing properties that are continuously trashed by ferals.

This has the unfortunate result that the ones - usually the elderly - who try their hardest to look after their properties cannot get basic maintenance (i.e. due to normal 'wear and tear') done because the Department are always saying there's no money left in the maintenance budget.

There's supposed to have been a "3 strikes and you're out" policy with public housing in WA for some years now but I'm prepared to bet no-one's been thrown out of their property so far no matter how badly behaved they are - and, if they were evicted they would probably be put into another place in no time at all, especially when the 'ferals' pull out the discrimination/race/poverty/whatever card if they get evicted.

Carl D wrote on Mar 17^th, 2021 at 1:48pm:

cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 11:01am: its a tough world  carl.d.   buildings get very dated and passed all the maintenance  it is sad for these tenants but if the roof isnt leaking   its not much different to some who live in their own aging homes that need maintenance.... owner are not all that much better off I knew a women in her 90s  who used to chop wood for her only heating...she didnt want to leave her home.. :-/ One of the problems with public housing Australia wide is that a large part of their (obviously inadequate) maintenance budget is spent on repairing properties that are continuously trashed by ferals. This has the unfortunate result that the ones - usually the elderly - who try their hardest to look after their properties cannot get basic maintenance (i.e. due to normal 'wear and tear') done because the Department are always saying there's no money left in the maintenance budget. There's supposed to have been a "3 strikes and you're out" policy with public housing in WA for some years now but I'm prepared to bet no-one's been thrown out of their property so far no matter how badly behaved they are - and, if they were evicted they would probably be put into another place in no time at all, especially when the 'ferals' pull out the discrimination/race/poverty/whatever card if they get evicted.

Quite true.

We have a feral white/abbo couple living in a suburb near Tuggerah.
They have trashed 3 houses so far.
And have "For cultural and personal needs" had to stay in the area ( their drug supplier lived there)

The parents have never worked, living off us taxpayers all their lives.
The grandparents live there, never worked and living off the taxpayer all their lives.
Their children live there (for the short term , they are waiting for a Housing home nearby) never worked a day in their lives.
Both kids, girls, barely 20 have a couple of kids each.
Claim to be abbo and demand rights being the "Traditional owners" in a very vocal and annoying rate.

This entire family 4 generations worthless, have never contributed one single day of their worthless, useless lives.
They fight all the time (drunk or drugged)
They wreck houses
Their cars are unregistered and uninsured

A friend lives in a nearby street, has lived there for over 30 years
He would sell up and move, but there are so many deadbeats around that he cant get diddly squat for his house.

The suburb?
Whattonobi.
Drug and deadbeat capitol of the Central Coast.

So if the Govt and Australian Public learn to discriminate between 'Battler' and 'Bludger' (unlike Turnbull who couldn't tell the difference between an 'affair' and co-ed workplace relationships and marriages) finally and weed out the Bludger's from the system of exploiting taxpayer's money for no constructive outcome, other than self destruction and the destruction of others/property.

What then do you do with these people - the kind of people that Britain got rid of and sent here. No, not everyone here was sent because of pinching a loaf of bread cliche. The majority of people sent here are just like your Bludgers of today, some even more vile than the likes of Milat.

So what do you do with them?
Do we create a 'Foreign Legion' of our own and shove them in the outback to learn the ways of Military discipline like a Dirty Dozen? Most of these Bludgers would rather die than conform, by both choice and incompetence. Only a gun pointed to their heads with intent to use - may have a better success - but the Human Rights and all that comes into it, because many times throughout history, these people would be just hung or killed by 'officials' without a care and even with a cruelty themselves.

So what do we do with the Bludgers once we've jilted them off the system they exploited for no return?

...well my theory is that you just let the try their luck at crime. The Australian Police Force is swelling in recruitment (especially when all the hot chicks are joining now) and they are becoming more active 'en mass' and have a better public repore these days than, say - American Police.
So these Bludgers come Crims go to Gaol.

...what then is done inside the Gaols in regards to these Bludgers come Criminals? Especially when our Prisons are crying like Britain once did saying "We're over-flowing!" We can't send them anywhere this time. Obviously a lesson HAS NOT BEEN LEARNED.
This is the challenge isn't it.

Prisons can be the biggest money spinners.
A Prison is designed to strip as much 'stimulation' of life away from Prisoners. To void them of as much as possible.
American Prisons let Prisoners run amok where they become harder than the Prisons they are in. It's counter-productive.
You will find that 'in time' - these Bludgers, now in Prison will 'do anything!' to suddenly 'work'. Be it making toys or whatever in their Prisons - they will work. Being locked in a cell unable to do anything, drives them crazy and doing something is 'stimuli' that they need and now crave.
Money to charities or grants, let alone 'upkeep' - made from the products these Prisoners make, etc.

Now of course, Human Rights will restrict all this for various reasons and ...well, it's always a fine line isn't it.
When a Prison Warden can become more of a Monster than the ones he watches over.
But I think we can reach a middle-ground of discipline and punishment with Human Rights.

Just means we have to build more Prisons for the Bludgers come Crims because they could no longer sponge off the system and others. The Battlers are no problem - they follow the system and move on. That's what it's there for - to help the Battlers fall into a safety net and bounce back up, rather than going splat on hard cement  - which in most cases, there is no getting back up.

Reckon it's 50/50 at the moment between Battlers and Bludgers on benefits.
But what to do wth the 50% that should be cut off?
Only Crime, then only Gaol and ...well, that's where we're at really isn't it. Fixing the Gaols to make the Bludgers 'WORK'!!