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Message started by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am

Title: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:29am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am:
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728



Which part? he closure of Wollumbin National Park to visitors (due to COVID-19 restrictions) needs to be extended due to visitor safety concerns after recent engineer's assessment of critical infrastructure.'
'
'
In other words its unsafe.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:30am
NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:30am:
NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.


This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons.


https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warnings-closure/

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:38am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:30am:
NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.


This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons.


https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warnings-closure/



Or the other take is that the funding for NPWS has been comprehensively cut so they can't afford to maintain iti

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:39am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am:
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728



Which part?


Gordy saw "Aboriginal", and was immediately triggered.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:00am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,



No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers!  Listen up!  There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns!  And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it!  Now get with it, people!!"

And a national park is a NATIONAL park - not the sole province of some tiny group... get with it, people!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:03am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,



No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers!  Listen up!  There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns!  And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it!  Now get with it, people!!"



UNfortunately this is the key here " if handled properly". NPWS can't account for that

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:37am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,


More unsafe than sitting on the sofa watch Netflix, I guess.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:40am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,


More unsafe than sitting on the sofa watch Netflix, I guess.



Ummm......ok.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:49am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:03am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:47am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43am:
I do that walk (it's not a climb) once a year. I did it for the first time with my family when I was about 10, and was hoping to do it with my youngest next year.

This walk is part of my cultural heritage.



So would you consider parts to be unsafe.,



No more unsafe than the old Pacific Highway if handled properly... you can't create of every part of the human territory a 'safe space'...

"Awright, you paratroopers!  Listen up!  There will be no more jumping out of planes due to safety concerns!  And no more rope climbing from you Commandos, got it!  Now get with it, people!!"



UNfortunately this is the key here " if handled properly". NPWS can't account for that



Why should they have to - they are not yet a dictatorship....  they can only say - these are the basic rules, these are the facilities we have available in the event you get into trouble, and these are our procedures for ensuring we can find you if necessary etc... under no circumstances should they be dictating what people can and can't do.... and that old 'cost of rescue' doesn't really cut it - the majority of the costs are in 'standing costs' - i.e. simply having the facilities available for rescue EVERYWHERE in the locality, such as (up there) beaches, car crashes, covid (or mental asylum) breakouts from Queensland, missing dementia patients, etc...

You cannot say that the annual budget of Murwillumbah's ambulance service is taken up in Mt Warning rescues or that the Westpac chopper spends all day and night at Mt Warning... false figures...

A chopper costs more on the ground than in the air.... maintenance and upkeep on any aircraft etc is very costly.... but as I said about the firebombers - better to have them ready than not at all... even if they cost $11,000 an hour to operate with an enormous turnaround rate where there is water available... around here say ten minutes between drops given our lake system - that is cheap compared to the flashy one-shot 737 etc... and the Fireboss is only about $3000 an hour... with up to half the load... (sort of like comparing a Skyraider to a B-17 - Skyraider single engine on full combat load carried twice the weight of ordnance of a B-17)...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:00pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am:
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience


Yeah - if it's all about the Coon Cheese haters, they should at least work for the dole...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am:
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728



Which part?


Gordy saw "Aboriginal", and was immediately triggered.



That's pretty much what happened ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 26th, 2021 at 5:36pm
Gordon comes out into the Pro Wrestling ring as Bojack and Peccary pin him to the ropes, but Gordon pulls out the old Khatoum manouvre of "Cultural Heritage" (of walking with the spirits of the mountain in honoring their heritage) and get off the ropes. The Grappler comes in for a back slam into Peccary & Bojack like from a high branch of evolution.
Brian the Ref makes a valid point to blow a whistle but Gordon gets off with the point "Who built Mt Warning then"  ;D

As for the oogie-boogie tours and ceremonies.
Well nothing beats being out in the inland sea of dreamings and mindfulness around a campfire under the stars as a people more intune with their land than any other culture on the planet besides the Xhoi-San and Hottentot - but neither of these turned the Australian continent at a good habitable portion into a 'gargen' that first explorers described as a 'Parkland' like the wealthy estates of Europe. Perfectly and neatly manicured to provide the best of all that nature offers within easy reach both in flora and fauna. From space it would have looked like a work of art. The Songlines sung in traditional and modern styles. Laying under the stars while nightshift aboriginal attendants keep the night fires burning, strangers on the tour and aboriginal Cultural and Ranger staff. In the distance under the stars of around the dark emu in the Milky Way - IMMENSE in a clear night sky. An Aboriginal Elder and some musicians sing in the distance a secret ceremony to the travellers of space and time, a Songline that takes one onto the Dreamtime.

Oh, you also get to  see a lot of nubile and juggy National Geographic breasts.  :D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:01pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?




its all about learning gordy    progress if you like...

we investigate more today than ever before  and its noted just what harm the human race does over many years......

we do destroy things....not always intentionally  but none the less it happens

Uluru is a case in point....people using it like a public toilet....Mt Everest another.......I dont know what will happen to the National Park once its closed.. but time will see if it works......it is a shame  for people who do the right thing......but we will never eradicate the spoilers..

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)



Or - FFS - the Sydney Harbour Bridge?????   oh.... wait a minute.... this puts a whole new hole through that argument....

I thought, as usual, that this had nothing to do with the Coon Cheese haters but everything to do with 'safety', 'cost of rescues', and 'damaging the rock'....

So what's it going to be - we're meekly giving in to the demands of ten people who most likely have zero idea what they are talking about and probably have next to no connection with the locals anyway - or is it because of concerns and costs?

Can't have it both ways - you're either surrendering it meekly against the wishes of the majority and without their consent, or you're lying... what part of NATIONAL Park do you not understand?

What WILL the moon dancers do without Mt Warning on a full moon night on a warm night?  Step aside for the First National Parkers?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:28pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)



Or - FFS - the Sydney Harbour Bridge?????   oh.... wait a minute.... this puts a whole new hole through that argument....



bris very spiritual you know......he has a degree in it.. :)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:29pm
Cods wants Brian's children.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:33pm
What are these 'spiritual needs' that can only be satisfied by possession of Mt Warning?  It's a good lookout - that's hardly spiritual... same as there's nothing really spiritual about Ayers Rock that cannot be shared with everyone... it is - as I said - a 'rite of passage' for many and certainly an uplifting experience to climb these spectacular heights - but hardly a deeply spiritual issue for anyone who is not bullshitting...

What are these special spiritual needs at Mt Warning?  I want.. I want.. I want.. and I want to poke a stick in Whitey's eye.... (herh-herh)...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:47pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
What are these 'spiritual needs' that can only be satisfied by possession of Mt Warning?  It's a good lookout - that's hardly spiritual... same as there's nothing really spiritual about Ayers Rock that cannot be shared with everyone... it is - as I said - a 'rite of passage' for many and certainly an uplifting experience to climb these spectacular heights - but hardly a deeply spiritual issue for anyone who is not bullshitting...

What are these special spiritual needs at Mt Warning?  I want.. I want.. I want.. and I want to poke a stick in Whitey's eye.... (herh-herh)...


I reckon it's more racist to treat Aboriginals like simple children who can't frame their ancient beliefs in a modern context.

Run the place properly, make some dosh out of it, employ a bunch of local Aboriginals who can send their kids to a good school who will send their kids to an even better school.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:49pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:47pm:
who can't frame their ancient beliefs in a modern context.



you mean they can't, or won't, sell out? :D :D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 26th, 2021 at 7:19pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Cods wants Brian's children.


To eat?   :-/

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:39pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
What are these 'spiritual needs' that can only be satisfied by possession of Mt Warning?  It's a good lookout - that's hardly spiritual... same as there's nothing really spiritual about Ayers Rock that cannot be shared with everyone... it is - as I said - a 'rite of passage' for many and certainly an uplifting experience to climb these spectacular heights - but hardly a deeply spiritual issue for anyone who is not bullshitting...

What are these special spiritual needs at Mt Warning?  I want.. I want.. I want.. and I want to poke a stick in Whitey's eye.... (herh-herh)...


I reckon it's more racist to treat Aboriginals like simple children who can't frame their ancient beliefs in a modern context.

Run the place properly, make some dosh out of it, employ a bunch of local Aboriginals who can send their kids to a good school who will send their kids to an even better school.


run it like a business.

make it a success

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:59pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Cods wants Brian's children.


Good God No!  Please, no!   :o :o :o

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:14pm
But, but, but I've been given permission by a Bundjalung elder..

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:35pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Cods wants Brian's children.



i would take poison first... :D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:38pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:29pm:
Cods wants Brian's children.

leave me out of your fantasies thanks..

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:40pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:14pm:
But, but, but I've been given permission by a Bundjalung elder..


Then why are their 'spiritual needs' so exclusive that they exclude everyone else?  Maybe he could tell us....

Every 'spiritual movement' in the world wants to share widely and become the True Path - what's wrong with the Coon Cheese haters?  Just a little thing among themselves, eh?  Nobody else allowed....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:14pm:
But, but, but I've been given permission by a Bundjalung elder..


Then why are their 'spiritual needs' so exclusive that they exclude everyone else?  Maybe he could tell us....

Every 'spiritual movement' in the world wants to share widely and become the True Path - what's wrong with the Coon Cheese haters?  Just a little thing among themselves, eh?  Nobody else allowed....


We were kind enough to pick up an old Abo hitchhiker. I guess that got us some cred.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Jest on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How many Indigenous Australians are we talking who say they regularly observe the old cultural rituals relating to that mountain? Do you know? Have you researched to find out. And how often each year would they need exclusive access to the mountain to practice their rituals. Sounds like there's lots of room for accomodating each other. And surely there is a point where the number of Indigenous Australians who practice their rituals there is so low that it becomes unreasonable to stop the number of keen nature tourists who want to walk it each year. There'd be plenty of nature walkers who would say that their walks in nature are a spiritual experiance for them. Aren't their spiritual needs just as valid. And did you make that up about a mining company having plans to dig there? Whats that based on?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:50pm

Jest wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How many Indigenous Australians are we talking who say they regularly observe the old cultural rituals relating to that mountain? Do you know? Have you researched to find out. And how often each year would they need exclusively access to the mountain to to practice their rituals. Sounds like there's lots of room for accomodating each other. And surely there is a point where the number of Indigenous Australians who practice their rituals there is so low that it becomes unreasonable to stop the number of keen nature tourists who want to walk it each year. There'd be plenty of nature walkers who would say that there walks in nature is a spiritual experiance for them. Arden't their spiritual needs just as valid. And did you make that up about a mining company having plans to dig there? Whats that based on?


I suspect those questions are too hard for yawny boi, he's not quite the full quid.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Jest on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:54pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:50pm:

Jest wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How many Indigenous Australians are we talking who say they regularly observe the old cultural rituals relating to that mountain? Do you know? Have you researched to find out. And how often each year would they need exclusively access to the mountain to to practice their rituals. Sounds like there's lots of room for accomodating each other. And surely there is a point where the number of Indigenous Australians who practice their rituals there is so low that it becomes unreasonable to stop the number of keen nature tourists who want to walk it each year. There'd be plenty of nature walkers who would say that there walks in nature is a spiritual experiance for them. Arden't their spiritual needs just as valid. And did you make that up about a mining company having plans to dig there? Whats that based on?


I suspect those questions are too hard for yawny boi, he's not quite the full quid.

Yes I've gathered that.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:47pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:43pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 9:14pm:
But, but, but I've been given permission by a Bundjalung elder..


Then why are their 'spiritual needs' so exclusive that they exclude everyone else?  Maybe he could tell us....

Every 'spiritual movement' in the world wants to share widely and become the True Path - what's wrong with the Coon Cheese haters?  Just a little thing among themselves, eh?  Nobody else allowed....


I remember you posting that... good work... always give an older bloke a lift...

We were kind enough to pick up an old Abo hitchhiker. I guess that got us some cred.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)



So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 27th, 2021 at 12:20am
Banana-fingers Haji Gordon found a Bondi cigar on Mount Warning which he claims is evidence his ancestors practiced a religion based on the worship of Bondi Cigars.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon is assembling a flock of extremist dolts to protect his heritage.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 12:57am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 12:20am:
Banana-fingers Haji Gordon found a Bondi cigar on Mount Warning which he claims is evidence his ancestors practiced a religion based on the worship of Bondi Cigars.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon is assembling a flock of extremist dolts to protect his heritage.


And what did the Coon-loathers find there to prove their position?  A few ancient turds? Or did they do a Pascoe... "Yeah - an uncle told me a long time ago that he once climbed that hill... she's a sacred site, yeah..."

What a farken load of codswallop...

You should front Gordon in person, given your propensity to slag off at him every time... or perhaps you could grow a life to compensate for your lack of penis length... not  that I give a rat's.... or that there's anything wrong with that...

Anyway - I'm sure Gordon would handle you easily...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:00am
Looks lie Ill soon have to identify as an abbo before I can go bush walking or even walk along a beach.

What a total load of bull shite

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:19am

cods wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?




its all about learning gordy    progress if you like...

we investigate more today than ever before  and its noted just what harm the human race does over many years......

we do destroy things....not always intentionally  but none the less it happens

Uluru is a case in point....people using it like a public toilet....Mt Everest another.......I dont know what will happen to the National Park once its closed.. but time will see if it works......it is a shame  for people who do the right thing......but we will never eradicate the spoilers..

 
I'll give you a guess at just who uses it like a public toilet..... or a rubbish tip.

It isn't the tourists.

Besides ..... where did the original inhabitants used to go No.1 & No. 2? 

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:24am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


And if they were made off limits to Aboriginal people.... would that be OK?  ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:39am

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:19am:

cods wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?




its all about learning gordy    progress if you like...

we investigate more today than ever before  and its noted just what harm the human race does over many years......

we do destroy things....not always intentionally  but none the less it happens

Uluru is a case in point....people using it like a public toilet....Mt Everest another.......I dont know what will happen to the National Park once its closed.. but time will see if it works......it is a shame  for people who do the right thing......but we will never eradicate the spoilers..

 
I'll give you a guess at just who uses it like a public toilet..... or a rubbish tip.

It isn't the tourists.

Besides ..... where did the original inhabitants used to go No.1 & No. 2? 
:-/ :-/ :-/ :-/



really?...how do you know that?....

you can ask that question of just about every tribe that walked the earth   history books basically never talks about it...but wiki does..

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:06am

cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:39am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:19am:

cods wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 6:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?




its all about learning gordy    progress if you like...

we investigate more today than ever before  and its noted just what harm the human race does over many years......

we do destroy things....not always intentionally  but none the less it happens

Uluru is a case in point....people using it like a public toilet....Mt Everest another.......I dont know what will happen to the National Park once its closed.. but time will see if it works......it is a shame  for people who do the right thing......but we will never eradicate the spoilers..

 
I'll give you a guess at just who uses it like a public toilet..... or a rubbish tip.

It isn't the tourists.

Besides ..... where did the original inhabitants used to go No.1 & No. 2? 
:-/ :-/ :-/ :-/



really?...how do you know that?....

you can ask that question of just about every tribe that walked the earth   history books basically never talks about it...but wiki does..



Yes you can ..... & I've seen the mess tourists/visitors made behind the sand dunes south of Double Island Point regarding toileting.

But the point I'm making is that if the odd tourist is getting caught short .... so what?

I was of the belief that there were strategically placed porterloos.

The locals have been pissing & crapping (& now dumping rubbish) around the rock for 40,000 years. 

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:48am

Quote:
Right To Climb spokesman Marc Hendrickx said he applied to see the documents when he discovered chains leading to the Mount Warning summit had been removed.


So they are deliberately trying to get someone killed so they can close it on account of it being "unsafe".


Quote:
Uluru is a case in point....people using it like a public toilet.


That too, is the excuse, but not the reason cods. The reason is that the government is imposing one group's religious views on everyone else.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:09am
Public policy dictated by mumbo jumbo?

Only selected men could go onto the mountain for higher level initiation. It is a dangerous spiritual place for women."

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 10:07am

Gordon wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:09am:
Public policy dictated by mumbo jumbo?

Only selected men could go onto the mountain for higher level initiation. It is a dangerous spiritual place for women."


Nobody is stopping them doing their mumbo jumbo there - why are they intent on stopping everyone else enjoying their mumbo jumbo and the uplifting spiritual experience of climbing it and seeing that vast view laid out?

They can always make formal application for their days of higher level initiation, during which the mountain can be closed to others.. no big deal...**

They just want it because they want it and they know it's another top spot.  Still waiting on exactly what their religious thing is up there... does anyone forbid people who are not Catholics attending a Papal Mass in Rome?  Only primitives like Muslims and Abos prevent 'infidels' from attending their big ceremony... their Mecca etc.

Plebiscites to the people before handing over anything.  Coon-cheesers are not the only ones with rights you know - and we are all supposed to be equal.

**

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Feb 27th, 2021 at 10:53am

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


And if they were made off limits to Aboriginal people.... would that be OK?  ::)


Yep
Ban everybody from going everywhere.

Then when total anarchy breaks out we might get some sensible rules.

Continually banning every place does absolutely nothing but get people off side.

Ok, some people make a mess, find them and fine them.

But stopping everyone based on some cultural bull shite is RACIST.

Banning whites from going into our own land, that we pay dearly for in taxes

IS RACIST.

ABBOS ARE RACIST SCUM.

Oh yeah, that's right.......Only whites can be racist.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by The_Barnacle on Feb 27th, 2021 at 11:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am:
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728



Which part?


Gordy saw "Aboriginal", and was immediately triggered.


So are many others on this thread. Or they are just using this as an excuse to air their bigoted and racist views.

The reality is that it is NPWS who want the climb closed. Many Aboriginal groups want it to stay open.


Quote:
Based on the visitor safety assessment report and other risk assessments the risk of the summit track is similar to other Grade 4-5 walks in the state. There is no reason it should be closed.’

Mr Hendrickx, who is based at Berowra near Sydney, says that for years the NSW NPWS have been actively seeking to reduce visitors to the Mt Warning National Park. ‘The bureaucratic term for this is “demarketing”. NSW NPWS have exaggerated safety claims and environmental issues and misinformed the public about Aboriginal claims on the mountain.

‘It preferences the negative views of the Bundjalung Nation over the inspirational message of Ngaraakwal Elder Marlene Boyd RIP who said in 2007: “How can the public experience the spiritual significance of this land if they do not climb the summit and witness creation!”

‘NPWS also ignores other Aboriginal opinions that would see the summit remain open for visitors,’ he said.
https://www.echo.net.au/2021/02/geologist-says-mt-warning-is-safe-to-climb/


It's not surprising that we see National Parks being run into the ground by Conservative governments

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:36pm

Jest wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How many Indigenous Australians are we talking who say they regularly observe the old cultural rituals relating to that mountain? Do you know? Have you researched to find out. And how often each year would they need exclusive access to the mountain to practice their rituals. Sounds like there's lots of room for accomodating each other. And surely there is a point where the number of Indigenous Australians who practice their rituals there is so low that it becomes unreasonable to stop the number of keen nature tourists who want to walk it each year. There'd be plenty of nature walkers who would say that their walks in nature are a spiritual experiance for them. Aren't their spiritual needs just as valid. And did you make that up about a mining company having plans to dig there? Whats that based on?


How many Catholics are there?  How many Anglicans?  How many Indigenous Australians?  The point is not about numbers or percentages, it is about respecting the original inhabitants, still alive and their belief systems.  They don't ask much of anybody, except a small number of hill climbers, to respect their beliefs.  Are you a hill climber or are you just a white man who likes to make trouble for other people?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:38pm

Quote:
They don't ask much of anybody, except a small number of hill climbers, to respect their beliefs.


You are such a hypocrit Brian. If the government imposed Christianity's sacred cows on you, we would never hear the end of it. Punishing people won't make them respect aboriginal beliefs. Despite your fondness for Islam, obedience and respect are not the same thing.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:43pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


And if they were made off limits to Aboriginal people.... would that be OK?  ::)


They are off limits to everybody,  just as Mt. Warning is to be.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by cods on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:49pm

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:38pm:

Quote:
They don't ask much of anybody, except a small number of hill climbers, to respect their beliefs.


You are such a hypocrit Brian. If the government imposed Christianity's sacred cows on you, we would never hear the end of it. Punishing people won't make them respect aboriginal beliefs. Despite your fondness for Islam, obedience and respect are not the same thing.




tsk tsk fd   yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


They will be opposed by Gordonites JaSin and it's ilk who seek to oppose anything minorities consider is good.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Jest on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:36pm:

Jest wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How many Indigenous Australians are we talking who say they regularly observe the old cultural rituals relating to that mountain? Do you know? Have you researched to find out. And how often each year would they need exclusive access to the mountain to practice their rituals. Sounds like there's lots of room for accommodating each other. And surely there is a point where the number of Indigenous Australians who practice their rituals there is so low that it becomes unreasonable to stop the number of keen nature tourists who want to walk it each year. There'd be plenty of nature walkers who would say that their walks in nature are a spiritual experience for them. Aren't their spiritual needs just as valid. And did you make that up about a mining company having plans to dig there? Whats that based on?


How many Catholics are there?  How many Anglicans?  How many Indigenous Australians?  The point is not about numbers or percentages, it is about respecting the original inhabitants, still alive and their belief systems.  They don't ask much of anybody, except a small number of hill climbers, to respect their beliefs.  Are you a hill climber or are you just a white man who likes to make trouble for other people?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Why did you mention "a small number of hill climbers" if the numbers of people involved are not relevant. You can't have it both ways. If its relevant that the number of climbers who will be stopped from climbing is only a handful (say 5) why isn't it also relevant that the number of Indigenous Australians who want exclusive use of the mountain is say, only 5 compared to, say for argument sake, 100,000 (and growing) tourists PA. And its not just the number of Catholic/Anglican climbers that's relevant. Its everyone who wants to climb the mountain (regardless of their religion - that's a furphy) but cant because 5 people want it just for themselves. 

The truth of course is that we don't know that this is being proposed. It might really be just about safety, which they are able to fix in good time. But I would have thought that it wont be difficult to accommodate both groups by allowing exclusive use for the relevant Indigenous Australians (even if its only 5) and their guests for a specified period sufficient to conduct their rituals and then open it up for the remainder of the year for everyone else. The only problem would be if its claimed that this is sacred ground and no one is ever allowed but us. Then its looking extremely unreasonable and ought not be accommodated unless there is a compelling reason and I don't mean something like, that's what our traditions/religion require. Any religions or traditions in Australia that said that X is a no go zone for black people etc would not be tolerated by most Australians for even a second and white people are entitled to require Indigenous Australians to make similar adjustments. And far from being helpful, your support for such a proposal does great harm to racial tolerance in this country

Im not a hill climber but I am a camper, a walker and a nature loving atheist, which means there is a good chance that if Im in that area I might very well like to climb that hill. I dont want to make trouble for anyone but I also dont want to accommodate unreasonable and unfair arrangements which I have no doubt will spread to a multitude of other locations if we continue to accommodate them. The earth belongs to us all. Also I think that many are skeptical, including me, that these things are often driven by the animosity that activists feel towards the non indigenous population rather than for genuine cultural reasons.



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:22pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D



.... and then we heard the thunder............

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)


Ancient history and prejudiced mumbo jumbo - they can still have exclusive use of the hill for their rites when applicable....

Do I have possession of land I formerly owned?  Am I entitled to ownership of land formerly held by my ancestors in Ireland, Scotland, Germany and perhaps North America - possibly China?

Let's just tell it like it is - the past is gone - you can share use of the hill and we'll give you exclusive access to it when you do your ceremonies only - but don't expect any rescue...

This PC nonsense is getting way out of hand and will initiate a backlash...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:28pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


They will be opposed by Gordonites JaSin and it's ilk who seek to oppose anything minorities consider is good.


Well the truth of the matter is that there will be no 'war'.
Here in the region of Sahul the Virulent, suicide is the name of the game. When Australia becomes the world's first true 'Republic'(more so than even Rome) where the political power really is in the hands of the 'People' (not a Rep' that is an Institution 'for' the people as a power) as an Art leader rises to rule this new Nation.
So if Aboriginal culture looses any ground against the Political culture (As 'law' is one of the weaker components of aboriginal culture) - then its a case of their own self-destruction being greater than the Political here. In truth Aboriginal Race has been sacrificed somewhat in favour of Cultural $$$  ;) One day, the Aboriginal Culture will be richer than the Political (Art & Religion being the richest).

So LTYC - can I binkle your sister? I bear a gift.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:45pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:28pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


They will be opposed by Gordonites JaSin and it's ilk who seek to oppose anything minorities consider is good.


Well the truth of the matter is that there will be no 'war'.
Here in the region of Sahul the Virulent, suicide is the name of the game. When Australia becomes the world's first true 'Republic'(more so than even Rome) where the political power really is in the hands of the 'People' (not a Rep' that is an Institution 'for' the people as a power) as an Art leader rises to rule this new Nation.
So if Aboriginal culture looses any ground against the Political culture (As 'law' is one of the weaker components of aboriginal culture) - then its a case of their own self-destruction being greater than the Political here. In truth Aboriginal Race has been sacrificed somewhat in favour of Cultural $$$  ;) One day, the Aboriginal Culture will be richer than the Political (Art & Religion being the richest).

So LTYC - can I binkle your sister? I bear a gift.


Is JaSin taking a break from granny exploitation?

I don't have a sister so JaSin will have to fantasize like all his other sexploits.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:10pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)


Ancient history and prejudiced mumbo jumbo


You lost it to me.  They deserve the same respect that Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus/etc. deserve.  Do you disrespect their beliefs in the same way?  I don't think so.  You're full of bullshit, Graps and it shows increasingly with every post.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:12pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:28pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


They will be opposed by Gordonites JaSin and it's ilk who seek to oppose anything minorities consider is good.


Well the truth of the matter is that there will be no 'war'.
Here in the region of Sahul the Virulent, suicide is the name of the game. When Australia becomes the world's first true 'Republic'(more so than even Rome) where the political power really is in the hands of the 'People' (not a Rep' that is an Institution 'for' the people as a power) as an Art leader rises to rule this new Nation.
So if Aboriginal culture looses any ground against the Political culture (As 'law' is one of the weaker components of aboriginal culture) - then its a case of their own self-destruction being greater than the Political here. In truth Aboriginal Race has been sacrificed somewhat in favour of Cultural $$$  ;) One day, the Aboriginal Culture will be richer than the Political (Art & Religion being the richest).

So LTYC - can I binkle your sister? I bear a gift.


Is JaSin taking a break from granny exploitation?

I don't have a sister so JaSin will have to fantasize like all his other sexploits.


Oh old JaSin doesn't have to fantasize when he has life experiences.  ;)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:21pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:28pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:06pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Uluru to the Aboriginals will become like the Stone of Mecca to Moslems.

In the near future - only Aboriginals will be allowed anywhere near Uluru and only culturally aboriginal businesses will be allowed to operate there. There will be much infrastructure surrounded it. Full of Aboriginals and those of the Dreamtime.
Their masses will grow. From there they can mount their Invasion Day upon the rest of the continent and retake Australia from the foreign pests.

Islam and Aboriginal culture are similar. Their art is both 'patterning', much like African - both  are 'Portals' to Africa.

Uluru: a 26km long river of hardened sediment that has buckled upwards at one end resulting in 'the rock'. The Great Sandworm of Dune? :D


They will be opposed by Gordonites JaSin and it's ilk who seek to oppose anything minorities consider is good.


Well the truth of the matter is that there will be no 'war'.
Here in the region of Sahul the Virulent, suicide is the name of the game. When Australia becomes the world's first true 'Republic'(more so than even Rome) where the political power really is in the hands of the 'People' (not a Rep' that is an Institution 'for' the people as a power) as an Art leader rises to rule this new Nation.
So if Aboriginal culture looses any ground against the Political culture (As 'law' is one of the weaker components of aboriginal culture) - then its a case of their own self-destruction being greater than the Political here. In truth Aboriginal Race has been sacrificed somewhat in favour of Cultural $$$  ;) One day, the Aboriginal Culture will be richer than the Political (Art & Religion being the richest).

So LTYC - can I binkle your sister? I bear a gift.


Is JaSin taking a break from granny exploitation?

I don't have a sister so JaSin will have to fantasize like all his other sexploits.


Oh old JaSin doesn't have to fantasize when he has life experiences.  ;)


Profitable dalliances with Cods and Agnes?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:10pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)


Ancient history and prejudiced mumbo jumbo


You lost it to me.  They deserve the same respect that Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus/etc. deserve.  Do you disrespect their beliefs in the same way?  I don't think so.  You're full of bullshit, Graps and it shows increasingly with every post.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Do Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus etc refuse entry to their places of worship to all others?

The Mussos of course - with Mecca....

Your losing the argument is shown in your shift to personal attack...

Now then - what is to stop the NPWS having permits to climb and closing off when the Cooners want to do their thing up there - IF they ever do....

Be interesting to see what comes out of requiring them to put in an application and then add names of participants .... in case of an accident or something.... and those are then required to check in before departure and state when they will be back.... so as to initiate searches if required...

I take it only the Cooners were the group that never once fell off Ayers Rock or had a death on it (lower by far than the national average, BTW -so that argument is the bullshit)?  Hmmmm???  Or pood or pissed on it?  HMMM?  Nah - they respect 'their' rock more than that, surely...

What will they use for toilets on their pilgrimage up Mount Warning once a year or so, d'ya think?



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:10pm
Nah then- what parts of Ireland, Scotland and Germany etc am I entitled to claim as ancestral grounds and places of worship?

I'm afraid you lost that one, Brian....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:28pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:10pm:
Nah then- what parts of Ireland, Scotland and Germany etc am I entitled to claim as ancestral grounds and places of worship?

I'm afraid you lost that one, Brian....


I am prepared to contribute to Gordonite Grappler's air fare.

Off you go, you insidious Gordonite.

Grappler has spent it's whole life on it's back waiting for a good samaritan to flip him.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:39pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:19am:
 
I'll give you a guess at just who uses it like a public toilet..... or a rubbish tip.

It isn't the tourists.

Besides ..... where did the original inhabitants used to go No.1 & No. 2? 


god you're clueless sometimes ... so those yuppies that go up in the middle of the night and wait hours for sunrise, drinking and eating in the meantime, hold it until they get back down to the bottom do they?

You've never climbed it have you? ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:46pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 7:10pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)


Ancient history and prejudiced mumbo jumbo


You lost it to me.  They deserve the same respect that Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus/etc. deserve.  Do you disrespect their beliefs in the same way?  I don't think so.  You're full of bullshit, Graps and it shows increasingly with every post.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Do Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus etc refuse entry to their places of worship to all others?

The Mussos of course - with Mecca....


Some of the other religions, those that do not evangelise to try and attract new adherents, limit access to some areas/books of their places of worship.   The Muslims carry it to extreme.  However, you cannot discard the Jews and Hindus quite that readily, Graps.  It shows your ignorance of how other faiths operate.


Quote:
Your losing the argument is shown in your shift to personal attack...


Not really.  If you cannot handle that you've been told that you, "bullshit" there is little hope for you.


Quote:
Now then - what is to stop the NPWS having permits to climb and closing off when the Cooners want to do their thing up there - IF they ever do....


'cause it doesn't show sufficient respect.  Why should Indigenous Australians have to pick their way through white fellas crap and rubbish.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2021 at 9:49pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 8:10pm:
Nah then- what parts of Ireland, Scotland and Germany etc am I entitled to claim as ancestral grounds and places of worship?

I'm afraid you lost that one, Brian....


You are welcome to take it up with the imperialists and dominators of your old tribe, Graps.  Good luck with your attempt.  I look forward to reading about it in the British Supreme Court...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 27th, 2021 at 11:52pm
The trouble with you people who unilaterally support one 'side' of any question - is that you are fundamentally incapable of looking at the question in context and impartially.

You have been given reasonable responses to claims of spiritual needs long extinguished - so it should be an honour for the local Abos, who will not be climbing Mt Warning for any religious purposes - to accept that they can had sole use of it for certain times of the year.

Then the rest of Australia can enjoy the National Park and find their spiritual fulfillment there for the rest.

I thought NPWS closed it due to safety concerns.... I suppose that translates easily into 'Aboriginal spirituality'... if the cost of rescues etc is too high, then Abos can't climb it either...

On a sidenote - NPWS would be far better put to use preserving habitats for koalas etc than cutting out rights to possession by the community of community assets in National Parks.  As I said - they are not a dictatorship and must never be permitted to behave as such...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 12:05am
Abos are the Elves of the Australian Bush and Forests.
Europeans killed off their Elvish spirits long ago into Fairytime stories. The Golden Age of Europe vanished under enslavement to the Brown Man's Religion from the Middle-East.

Filthy Orcish People crawling all over their Sacred Stone.
The Aboriginal People will never change.
Their Way is set in stone.
...just as J.R.R. Tolkien explained in the 'Straight Way' of the Elves as they left Mid-Earth (Europe).

Funny coincidences eh ;)

Swoosh! All Net.


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Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:47am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 8:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 4:48pm:
Are you offering walking tours to the top of the Sistine Chapel, St.Pauls in London or other notable places which are religious in tone?  How about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem or the other places of note around the world?  Why not respect Indigenous Australians spiritual needs for a change?  Is it too hard to not go for a walk up a mountain?  Really?   ::) ::)


Who built Mt Warning?


Nature.  Who worships Mt. Warning?  Do you?  No.  Do Indigenous Australians? Yes.  Time their views were given some respect for a change I think.  We don't need mining companies blowing up Gorges or destroying Indigenous sites.  We don't need gadabout tourists climbing a mountain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So what is this 'worship' they have for it - why is it so exclusive - and what does the dynamiting of  gorges etc with historical stuff have to do with Mt Warning?

What EXACTLY are the 'religious' components of their wish to possess it utterly and exclude everyone else from a National park?  Why does their presence not disturb the spirits the same as everyone else's?  Why do their modern day footprints in boots not upset the 'lend' and damage the rocks the same as everyone else's?

Have you ever seen an Indigenous Australian worship Mt Warning? What is that 'worship' based on?  We ALL worship the grandeur of Mt Warning as we pass it, Abos are nothing special in that and most of them couldn't give a rat's arse anyway ..... and even if she or she did 'worship' it - to which I call bullshit - WTF meaning does that have when others worship it as well by climbing it and experience the spiritual elevation of doing so and looking out over a vast vista below?

And why is it so exclusive to Aboriginals that it can't be shared to everyone else - as is their alleged custom??

Nobody was going to blow up Mt Warning... why is it an exclusive Aboriginal place to enjoy?  It's a spiritual experience for anyone to climb such things - Aboriginals aren't unique, you know... and they are definitely no more spiritual than anyone else.... and are quite often far less so...

So what is their selfish argument here?

I just want it to spite Whitey and make meself feel important when I'm a crud...


They worship the way they always have.  They have selected men to climb the mountain and to perform secret ceremonies there.  Who are we, uninitiated people, to judge that they do there?  As far as I concerned, they could just have a giant piss-up there, it doesn't worry me, it is their sacred site.  Just as I am expected to respect the sacred sites of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and so on, I respect the sacred sites of Indigenous Australians.   They are Australians, they have as many rights as do any other citizens.  Time we paid them the respect they are due.

As for what it has to do with Gorges being dynamited by mining companies, it is basically the same thing.  It was their land first and foremost, we need to learn to respect and ask permission to mine/cut down forests/etc. it.   ::) ::)


Oh, the old "secret rights" exercise again.

That old chestnut has been rolled out so many times its getting rather stale.

The only secret rights these primitives have is rolling up at the dole office once in a blue moon to collect extra cash.

A larger percentage of abbos now are predominantly white, have never been in the bush in their lives, wouldnt know how to survive in the bush for 10 minutes let alone a week and the only god they worship is the free money they get for grog.

The more these morons keep locking up sites, the more people they will put off side.

Eventyually they will go too far and people will start having a long close look at the bull shite they continually spout.

Its been 200 years since they were rescued from a life of hardship and short life spans.
If they cannot assimilate (just like every other culture on earth)
Perhaps they need to go the way of Neanderthals and Crow Magnum man.

Their inability to fit into modern society and contribute in any way identifies them as nothing but a dying culture of failures.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:47am
There is something we all need to pause and take a good, long hard look at here:-

This entire process, whether it be for the Coonhaters and their 'religious' ideas, or simply to ensure that the extremely few people who end up requiring rescue there don't become a burden on the budget - whatever - has been done by decree from the Kommissariat of National Parks.... and at no time via any legislative process or direct reference to The People.

This is an increasing trend - we saw it with Ayers Rock, and with any number of other things including the control over Corona Crisis by the Health Kommissar/Gauleiter - this compulsion upon the general public via internal policy or decision by a department or other government body, without any reference to the legislative approach.

Truly the Shadow Government is developing fangs and is subverting the Voice of the people, and such decisions, which impact greatly on the general public voter who increasingly has no Voice, are the equivalent of decisions made by a Gauleiter and minions or a Kommissar in some Soviet of National Parks.

Historically, such an approach goes back to the universities, which - in the main - turn out the latest trend in Gauleiter or Kommissar under the Feminist Supremacy, with the first manifestation being the kangaroo courts, the star chambers, set up in universities to deal with 'issues' of gender harassment etc - and all, conspicuously, to favour the 'issues' of one group which is now the majority of students.

At no time has any government - not ever once - stepped in and said - "No!  This is a matter for the people to decide, and in the case of alleged gender issues, for a court or proper body to decide!"

Not Once!  Meaning governments of all stamps are totally onside with this approach of undermining any rights and equalities of the general public - and particularly of men.

An argument could be put forward that this approach is a bi-partisan issue, since no party has stood up and simply said - "NO!" to any of this..... the 'conservative' party has actually lead the way with its introduction of the Corona Gulag system..... something that will inevitably be used for 'other' purposes in the future, in accordance with whatever government is in and what is its REAL policy base.

Whatever that policy base - you can be assured that dissidents and specified social groups will occupy the Corona Gulags in the future..... not in prison... oh, no, no, no... just held incommunicado until there is certainty that their thinking is right and their re-education in the right ways is sticking....

Vote next time at your extreme peril..... I will not vote for any major party ....


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:50am
I'm going to revise up my climb fee for Mt Warning to $30 a pop and $200 for Ayers Rock.

Full employment for local abos to send their kids to good schools, unis, start businesses etc.

Many mountains around the world are both sacred by indigenous populations and climbed.



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Belgarion on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Yes, aboriginals caring for and nurturing the land which is sacred to them......


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Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?

Brian would not tolerate white people doing this, but he has lower expectations of Aborigines.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Jest on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:16am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


You dont respect Indigenous Australians. You're the biggest racist here. You're sickeningly patronizing. You treat them like children because it makes you feel superior. But worst of all is fakes like you are selfishly stoking the fires of racial intolerance because its your chance to signal your fake virtue. You need to give it a rest, we see through you.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:17am
Mt Fuji is sacred yet Japanese love to climb it.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:23am

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?



Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are just three issues that come to mind as imposed by religions onto governments all around the world ... sure, it's changing but it's still influences governments in many countries

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:25am

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?



Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are just three issues that come to mind as imposed by religions onto governments all around the world ... sure, it's changing but it's still influences governments in many countries


And do you support this sort of thing?

Or only when black people do it?

Also, do you think it is possible for people who are not religious to oppose gay marriage or abortion? Do you think valuing human life is an exclusively religious view?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?

Brian would not tolerate white people doing this, but he has lower expectations of Aborigines.


Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:05pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?

Brian would not tolerate white people doing this, but he has lower expectations of Aborigines.


Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Are you just pretending to be confused?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:08pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Yes, aboriginals caring for and nurturing the land which is sacred to them......


You might find Racist, that a lot of white people and white settlements around the country have the same problem: besides excessive waste consumption - like having to get food from a supermarket and not the bush, which doesn't have packaging waste. Hoarders and Squalors are rife in White People - needing some Space Invaders to come in.

Don't try to dump your own 'rubbish' on another people's.

2030AD: The New King William decrees the removal of the Union Jack from the Australian Flag, a big SORRY to the Aboriginal People for all the White Trash dumped there and a So Long And Thanks For All The Fish. Thus handing over sovereignty back the Aboriginal Peoples under the Witness of the United Nations.

...this will, of course upset the White Trash left there - who's only course of action under the New Regime is to out-breed the enemy. Politically and Military under New Aboriginal Managment - a group of Artists are determined to be Free of all the political rubbish.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:14pm
The C.I.A has its 'sacred sites' where no-one is allowed to go, like... the famed Area 51 and it's 'departments'. Capitol Hill was a Sacred Space until the infidels climbed it, no? Look at all the upset Whities over that.

Land Rights innit?

Mind you, the Bantu Africans have been killing off Whities to get em Out of Africa. From Kenya to Zimbabwe to South Africa and even Madagascar don't like the White Aussies turning up. Hell, they don't even like Albino versions of themselves and hack them for parts to witch-doctor ceremonies of cleansing and other ill uses. The same kind of Bantu witch-doctors that claim the rape of a white female will cure them of AIDS more than black females - to which white infants are prime targets of Rape.
This may seem brutally and violently insane.
But the Bantu Witch-Doctors are basically enforcing the old Primitive way of surviving such a disease - a 'sexual' or breeding disease. By accelerating the population growth to 'outbreed' the disease by both herd-immunity and generation adaption to the new threat. Out f*uck a sexual disease. It is primal, it is effective - it works, when Sapien would have nothing else at it's disposal to fight such a disease. Condoms fall short - because people still need to breed, but sex education about only having children you can afford to take care of responsibly, education for improvement of quality of life and more - are the ongoing Therapy to prevent such diseases from occurring again. But hey, how can you stop a Sapien having sex with a Chimpanzee in the jungle? Sex education - but there will always be differences of opinion on what should be taught.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:28pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?

Brian would not tolerate white people doing this, but he has lower expectations of Aborigines.


Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Are you just pretending to be confused?


Answer the question.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:30pm
I honestly don't know where to begin Aussie. If you could elaborate on your confusion a bit I might be able to give you the answer you want. But just repeating yourself only tells us that you are confused.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:33pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:30pm:
I honestly don't know where to begin Aussie. If you could elaborate on your confusion a bit I might be able to give you the answer you want. But just repeating yourself only tells us that you are confused.


Begin by answering this very simple uncomplicated question.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context? 

Or, if there is any word in it your do not understand, just look up a dictionary.  Then answer:

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:34pm
United Nations to bear Witness of the British United Kingdom removing their Union Jack from the Australian Flag and handing back 'all Land' to the Aboriginal People to place their Flag in the corner of the Australian Flag.

...somewhere in a dark room funded by the legalisation of Marijuana. A group of Non-Aboriginal and now Non-British men - set free from their shackles. Plot to overthrow their new Aboriginal Landlords. They don't want to pay their Rent. It will be a 'crucifixion' in the eyes of the world upon the Southern Cross - because these men will fail.  ;)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:36pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:30pm:
I honestly don't know where to begin Aussie. If you could elaborate on your confusion a bit I might be able to give you the answer you want. But just repeating yourself only tells us that you are confused.


Begin by answering this very simple uncomplicated question.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context? 

Or, if there is any word in it your do not understand, just look up a dictionary.  Then answer:

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Have you checked under your seat?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:30pm:
I honestly don't know where to begin Aussie. If you could elaborate on your confusion a bit I might be able to give you the answer you want. But just repeating yourself only tells us that you are confused.


Begin by answering this very simple uncomplicated question.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context? 

Or, if there is any word in it your do not understand, just look up a dictionary.  Then answer:

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Have you checked under your seat?


I don't think it is beyond you to answer that question.  It is not a hand grenade.  It is a Dorothy Dixer, handed to you so you can impress us with your knowledge of matters spiritual to aboriginals, including why Mt Warning is now a place where people are urged not to climb.

Now, get on with it.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:49pm
Holy smoke! Gordonites are worshipping Bondi Cigars at Chez Gordon and the rear of the Bondi sheds.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:52pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?



Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are just three issues that come to mind as imposed by religions onto governments all around the world ... sure, it's changing but it's still influences governments in many countries


And do you support this sort of thing?

Or only when black people do it?

Also, do you think it is possible for people who are not religious to oppose gay marriage or abortion? Do you think valuing human life is an exclusively religious view?


I don't support it when it imposes religious belief on my private life. My private life does not include access to national parks or rocks.

As for the second question it's irrelevant to the topic.. You asked a question, I answered. Don't go off on tangents.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:29pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
Holy smoke! Gordonites are worshipping Bondi Cigars at Chez Gordon and the rear of the Bondi sheds.

Your humor is always perversively childish

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:31pm
Why do Gays seek to change other people's Religions via Political/Legal means because it does not 'include' Homo-sexuals and condemns the act?
Why don't they just form their 'own Religion'?
Are they afraid of a Holy War against their Gay Religion?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?



Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are just three issues that come to mind as imposed by religions onto governments all around the world ... sure, it's changing but it's still influences governments in many countries


And do you support this sort of thing?

Or only when black people do it?

Also, do you think it is possible for people who are not religious to oppose gay marriage or abortion? Do you think valuing human life is an exclusively religious view?


I don't support it when it imposes religious belief on my private life. My private life does not include access to national parks or rocks.


So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


Quote:
As for the second question it's irrelevant to the topic.. You asked a question, I answered. Don't go off on tangents.


Your answer is wrong.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So - you over there in the Darkened West - WTF do YOU know about the condition of Mt Warning and what possible threats (none) it could ever be under from your mining interests and such?

There is nothing wrong with this 'sacred site' - not many people climb it - but they have the right to same as your Kaffirs.  It's THEIR spiritual experience, too - how do you imagine the Kafir worked out it was a 'sacred site'?  By climbing it, feeling the pleasure of the exertion and the eventual triumph, and then surveying the endless vistas below from a god-like perspective.

Where did the Kaffirs poo when they were climbing it?  That is a bullshit argument, and the local rainfall is so heavy overall that shitting on it is meaningless even in the short term.

How is that spiritual experience in any way restricted to the Kaffir?

BTW - we don't allow OUR 'miners' to desecrate genuine sacred sites which are permanent and vulnerable (unlike Mt Warning and Ayers Rock) - such as painted caves and such which have a distinct heritage value for ALL... EQUALLY - as Australian citizens.

Becoming citizens in 1967 didn't give the Kaffir extra rights - and nor should it.  They have all their rights as citizens, same as women, poofs and all the other oddball minorities, so you are talking, again, about special privileges and not Rights..

::)  ::)  ::)

Again - which of those religious belief groups excludes everyone else?  Even the Mad Mussos proselytise ... Allah loves a sinner come to his repentance and still keeping his head...  Allah'U Akbar!!!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:54pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
The long, hard look, required is at you Racists.

Are Indigenous Australians citizens of Australia?  YES/NO

Yes, they are, since 1967.  A referendum was held and an overwhelming majority of Australian voters voted "Yes" and an overwhelming number of states voted "Yes".

Time for the Racists to catch up.

Mount Warning is a sacred site for Indigenous Australians.   We have seen what happens when sacred sites are ridden roughshod over.  Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.   We have recently seen Uluru closed to all climbers because it is a sacred site to Indigenous Australians.  Mount Warning is being closed for similar reasons - white people ignore the requests not to climb it, leave their rubbish and excrement everywhere.   It is time to give due respect to Indigenous Australians beliefs in exactly the same way that white people give respect (or at least most do) to Christian/Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/etc. sites.   Time for Racists to wake up and catch up with the mode of the majority of the population.  Time to become one with Indigenous Australians and accept their stewardship of the land.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


So - you over there in the Darkened West - WTF do YOU know about the condition of Mt Warning and what possible threats (none) it could ever be under from your mining interests and such?


Didn't claim it was mining interests involved.  It is just the general Australian public and quite a few Racists who seek to diminish the role of Indigenous Australians because they are Black and of no consequence in their view.  Indigenous Australians are Australian citizens exactly as are all other citizens.  Their views should be listened to.  Simples really.  ::) ::)


Quote:
There is nothing wrong with this 'sacred site' - not many people climb it - but they have the right to same as your Kaffirs.  It's THEIR spiritual experience, too - how do you imagine the Kafir worked out it was a 'sacred site'?  By climbing it, feeling the pleasure of the exertion and the eventual triumph, and then surveying the endless vistas below from a god-like perspective.


They did it first.  They owned the land before the White Fellas arrived.  They were denied their rights until 1967.  The rest of Australia recognised the injustice of that occurring and made the Australian Government change things in a referenda.  You do know we live in democracy and how democracy works, don't you?  ::)


Quote:
Where did the Kaffirs poo when they were climbing it?  That is a bullshit argument, and the local rainfall is so heavy overall that shitting on it is meaningless even in the short term.

How is that spiritual experience in any way restricted to the Kaffir?

BTW - we don't allow OUR 'miners' to desecrate genuine sacred sites which are permanent and vulnerable (unlike Mt Warning and Ayers Rock) - such as painted caves and such which have a distinct heritage value for ALL... EQUALLY - as Australian citizens.

Becoming citizens in 1967 didn't give the Kaffir extra rights - and nor should it.  They have all their rights as citizens, same as women, poofs and all the other oddball minorities, so you are talking, again, about special privileges and not Rights..

::)  ::)  ::)

Again - which of those religious belief groups excludes everyone else?  Even the Mad Mussos proselytise ... Allah loves a sinner come to his repentance and still keeping his head...  Allah'U Akbar!!!


It gives them equal rights.  Rights that you seek to deny them.  They deserve the same respect for their religious beliefs as White Fella religious beliefs deserve.  I won't trespass into a Christian/Jewish/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist church/synagogue/mosque/temple unless asked to by the Priest/Imam/etc.   Would you?  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:00pm
Those who think they have an American Right in Australia, are the ones that get speared compared to those who are granted a Privilege of their Convictions.

In Power we entrust the Love advocated.
DCD - Australian Band.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dead+can+dance+-+in+power+we+entrust+the+love+advocated&&view=detail&mid=EC237E9BB02848722397EC237E9BB02848722397&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Ddead%2520can%2520dance%2520-%2520in%2520power%2520we%2520entrust%2520the%2520love%2520advocated%26qs%3Dn%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Ddead%2520can%2520dance%2520-%2520in%2520power%2520we%2520entrust%2520the%2520love%2520advocated%26sc%3D0-55%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DFED543C061E54041A8000DC4DD644180%26FORM%3DVDVVXX

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm:
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, FD. Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bobby. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:03pm

Quote:
They owned the land before the White Fellas arrived.
They were denied their rights until 1967.



As far as I know the Queen still owns all the land
in Australia.
e.g. if oil is found under your land you don't profit by it.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bobby. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:07pm
Here's the proof -
The Queen owns all the land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hyLO7LtHE

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:07pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:29pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:49pm:
Holy smoke! Gordonites are worshipping Bondi Cigars at Chez Gordon and the rear of the Bondi sheds.


Your humor is always perversively childish


Because it always hooks Gordonite, granny-exploiter, JaSin?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm:
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, FD. Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


I wasn't asking you Brian. You probably don't even know.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:20pm
Most decent (real) Whities live along the coastal fringes biding their time on Black Man's Land by privilege as they work their way to the depths of the seas, while the Grey ones sail to Oceania and it's islands. The Whities also pay their way to improving the water quality in the Black Man's 'dry' Land.
It's a symbiotic relationship for those who wish to survive into the future from both races. There are those who chase a weakness and those who follow a strength.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:29pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:50am:
I'm going to revise up my climb fee for Mt Warning to $30 a pop and $200 for Ayers Rock.

Full employment for local abos to send their kids to good schools, unis, start businesses etc.

Many mountains around the world are both sacred by indigenous populations and climbed.


We already pay a shite load of money to these parasites.

$32,000,000,000,.00 for no reason other than to help them "catch up".

Then there is the dole, abbo study, "special benifits" abbo only hospitals, free education and we also pay for all their beer drinking gatherings, sports, NADOC week and a plethora of other buildings and grants.

I vote, stop all the handouts and let them have Ayres rock and Mt Warning.
They can have all their little secret gatherings there, if they want, but they will have to get there on their own.
No freebies transport and busses.

It's time they stopped being parasites and started contributing
It has been 200 years since they were rescued.

If they cannot stop with this self hatred and parasitical behaviour
Perhaps best to simply let them die out .


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm:
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, FD. Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


He can't even answer simple Dorothy Dixers!

Like this:

*Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Did he not say he is the CEO of the "SPA?" 

If he did, and is, you'd reckon he'd be all over *that questoion?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:13pm

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:50am:
I'm going to revise up my climb fee for Mt Warning to $30 a pop and $200 for Ayers Rock.

Full employment for local abos to send their kids to good schools, unis, start businesses etc.

Many mountains around the world are both sacred by indigenous populations and climbed.


We already pay a shite load of money to these parasites.

$32,000,000,000,.00 for no reason other than to help them "catch up".

Then there is the dole, abbo study, "special benifits" abbo only hospitals, free education and we also pay for all their beer drinking gatherings, sports, NADOC week and a plethora of other buildings and grants.

I vote, stop all the handouts and let them have Ayres rock and Mt Warning.
They can have all their little secret gatherings there, if they want, but they will have to get there on their own.
No freebies transport and busses.

It's time they stopped being parasites and started contributing
It has been 200 years since they were rescued.

If they cannot stop with this self hatred and parasitical behaviour
Perhaps best to simply let them die out .


It also helps Whitey 'catch up' to Aboriginal and learn about Land Management and Wild Fire Prevention.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:24pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm:
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, FD. Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


He can't even answer simple Dorothy Dixers!

Like this:

*Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Did he not say he is the CEO of the "SPA?" 

If he did, and is, you'd reckon he'd be all over *that questoion?


What is the "SPA"?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:58pm:
Is Brian still oblivious to his own hypocrisy, or merely afraid to address it?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, FD. Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


He can't even answer simple Dorothy Dixers!

Like this:

*Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?

Did he not say he is the CEO of the "SPA?" 

If he did, and is, you'd reckon he'd be all over *that questoion?


What is the "SPA"?

He did not say.

But, he is the Moderator for the 'Sustainability Party of Australia' in the MRB Sub Forums, one he created himself.  Other than that....dunno.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:42pm
Dandy White Europe thought it was superior being dressed up like a woman would. Discovering the 'rest of the world' is covered in primitive Darkies from the Middle-East to Asia and Africa, but spread like sperms across Sahul, into Oceania and the length of the two Americas.

Superior Dandy Whitey.  ;D ;D
The White Female Race.
The World was covered in Darkie Men, so god created Woman in Europe.

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Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:25pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:30pm:
I honestly don't know where to begin Aussie. If you could elaborate on your confusion a bit I might be able to give you the answer you want. But just repeating yourself only tells us that you are confused.


Begin by answering this very simple uncomplicated question.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context? 

Or, if there is any word in it your do not understand, just look up a dictionary.  Then answer:

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Have you checked under your seat?


I don't think it is beyond you to answer that question.  It is not a hand grenade.  It is a Dorothy Dixer, handed to you so you can impress us with your knowledge of matters spiritual to aboriginals, including why Mt Warning is now a place where people are urged not to climb.

Now, get on with it.

Where is the religious connection to what is 'sacred' in this context?


Come on, Your Omnipotence!!!  Your audience awaits you, and your profound insight into Aboriginal religion and sacredness.


Have you checked under your seat?  Maybe the cat hid your tongue there...or is that fingers, so you can type?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:45pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:50am:
I'm going to revise up my climb fee for Mt Warning to $30 a pop and $200 for Ayers Rock.

Full employment for local abos to send their kids to good schools, unis, start businesses etc.

Many mountains around the world are both sacred by indigenous populations and climbed.


We already pay a shite load of money to these parasites.

$32,000,000,000,.00 for no reason other than to help them "catch up".

Then there is the dole, abbo study, "special benifits" abbo only hospitals, free education and we also pay for all their beer drinking gatherings, sports, NADOC week and a plethora of other buildings and grants.

I vote, stop all the handouts and let them have Ayres rock and Mt Warning.
They can have all their little secret gatherings there, if they want, but they will have to get there on their own.
No freebies transport and busses.

It's time they stopped being parasites and started contributing
It has been 200 years since they were rescued.

If they cannot stop with this self hatred and parasitical behaviour
Perhaps best to simply let them die out .


It also helps Whitey 'catch up' to Aboriginal and learn about Land Management and Wild Fire Prevention.


What a load of utter bullshit.  They do hardly anything with the land so have no 'footprint', and their fire management is just something that even the RFS has been doing for years - preventative burnoffs - although the Kaffir had the aim of burning some slow wildlife ready for supper...

Hardly 'land management and wild fire prevention'.... any such was purely coincidental... as is any association with your comments with the truth.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)


Next time I'll get them to sign a contract. I have eye witnesses but since they are my family I'm guessing you will discount it. Even if I had a signed contract and posted it here you would call bullshit because it doesn't go with your agenda. I doubt any aboriginals here follow the "old religion" or even know what it was anymore and still do ceremonies there. I also posted here that we had an invitation to climb it well before all this crap started.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:42pm
Anyway - here's what I think of the Kommissars and Gauleiters who manufacture these 'decisions' out of thin air...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_CYnW_-IMU

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:15pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)


If that is your view and you are entitled to it but then there was no reason to ask when I was given permission. Permission was not given with caveats.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:24pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)


If that is your view and you are entitled to it but then there was no reason to ask when I was given permission. Permission was not given with caveats.

I asked because it remains unclear whether the place if off limits because of safety or religious/sacred reasons.

If you had permission some years ago, it cannot be because of genuine religious/sacred reasons.

Maybe His Royal Precious can tell us.  He seems to be the self proclaimed expert.

Hang on....maybe he has lost that expertise under the bed/seat, or somewhere?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:27pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)


If that is your view and you are entitled to it but then there was no reason to ask when I was given permission. Permission was not given with caveats.

I asked because it remains unclear whether the place if off limits because of safety or religious/sacred reasons.

If you had permission some years ago, it cannot be because of genuine religious/sacred reasons.

Maybe His Royal Precious can tell us.  He seems to be the self proclaimed expert.

Hang on....maybe he has lost that expertise under the bed/seat, or somewhere?


You obviously mean Bwian.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:39pm
It's not closed Aussie. This is what I mean about you explaining your confusion rather than expecting people to guess what you are on about.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm
Mt Warning - the second casualty of climb it change - but not the last...

I say NPWS can butt out and let people do their own thing - we are more like a fascist regimented society every farken day.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:06pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)


Your indifference is noted - now pray allow others their right to pursue their own personal choice here... rather than becoming a choice mobile society - we are rapidly becoming a choice unavailable society... you'll do as you're told and that's it, peasant...

Where I come from them's fightin' words...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:09pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


My wife and I went up when she was 4 months pregnant ...she made it all the way up but had I known what was up top I would have waited until she wasn't pregnant . It didn't help that the people we went with disappeared about 2 mins after the start of the climb ... they just took off and never once looked back.


weird people .... they invite you to the climb and to spend the day with them, knowing she was pregnant ... then take off and we don't see them again until we get back down to the carpark ready to go home. ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:18pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


My wife and I went up when she was 4 months pregnant ...she made it all the way up but had I known what was up top I would have waited until she wasn't pregnant . It didn't help that the people we went with disappeared about 2 mins after the start of the climb ... they just took off and never once looked back.


weird people .... they invite you to the climb and to spend the day with them, knowing she was pregnant ... then take off and we don't see them again until we get back down to the carpark ready to go home. ::)


Probably a blessing you didn't have to spend much time with them then.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:24pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


My wife and I went up when she was 4 months pregnant ...she made it all the way up but had I known what was up top I would have waited until she wasn't pregnant . It didn't help that the people we went with disappeared about 2 mins after the start of the climb ... they just took off and never once looked back.


weird people .... they invite you to the climb and to spend the day with them, knowing she was pregnant ... then take off and we don't see them again until we get back down to the carpark ready to go home. ::)


Probably a blessing you didn't have to spend much time with them then.


I agree. I couldn't believe it ... I'd never encountered anyone like that before.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:36pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


No. Do we really need to explain the difference to you again John? You were pretty slow the first time round, but I'm sure you figured it out in the end.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bobby. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


Heavy rainfall local will ensure it become food for the plants... no problem-o.

This is a bullshit argument - 1214 mm average yearly rainfall... will wash away any turds and piss...

This isn't Ayers Rock where the Abos pissed and sh1t for thousands of years with minimal rainfall, you know... before turning its environs into a rubbish heap ... (wait for the responses to that - they hate it when the reality worm turns)....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bobby. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:20pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.



I didn't know that -
is that the same for all national parks?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:22pm
"So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't? "

This ... errr.. 'backyard' - whose is it exactly?   Mt Warning is in a NATIONAL park... what part of NATIONAL do you not understand?  It's not owned by anyone but the nation's people as a whole..... and is not under the command of NPWS, either... they are getting way above themselves here.... it's NOT someone's 'backyard'.

If Valkie wants to climb he has the right to with or without their permission... all he needs to do as a citizen is advise them he is going, end of story - we don't live in a fascist nation just yet, son... and public service means service to the public, not the public serving them.

You are off the planet there, Smithy....

Plebiscites to the people NOW!

Late Addition:-  Over thirty years ago it was common knowledge that the government of Chile was so over-burdened by public service and their regulations that it effectively ceased to function... now we see every petty Hitler or Stalin donning the mantle of Divine Right Of Public Servant, and dictating to the masses what why will and won't have.

I guess you missed the reason your parents left Italy and why so many Greeks left Greece....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.



I didn't know that -
is that the same for all national parks?


Yep.

State Forrest parks are OK in NSW.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bobby. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:37pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.



I didn't know that -
is that the same for all national parks?


Yep.

State Forrest parks are OK in NSW.



OK thanks.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:44pm
There's a curse at Hanging Rock.
I've experienced it.

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Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:47pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.



I didn't know that -
is that the same for all national parks?


Yep.

State Forrest parks are OK in NSW.


Dogs on leads or in cars forbidden - they might kill one example of wildlife, but it's highly unlikely - feral cats and foxes OK - they kill millions a year... they are never eradicated with poison or being fair game for shooting - also forbidden in national parks......

Anyone else smell a rat here?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:52pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:44pm:
There's a curse at Hanging Rock.
I've experienced it.


There are indeed cursed places or places where evil resides, in this nation.  I was born and raised in one such city... and that's what I always say about it.  It is an accursed place.... I always say that the Aboriginals driven out of it cursed it as they left.... now the ex's son is leaving it due to the bad past he has had there.... finally a smart boy....

It is indeed a place of evil that rots the brains and morals of those in it.....

Having lived in many places, I can assure you that some are definitely cursed..... the difference between them and a 'normal' place is incredible.... in a normal place you can live for years peacefully - in a cursed place violence and abuse will find you regardless of what you do...

Over to you, Setanta... you know some of those cursed places...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:55pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.



I didn't know that -
is that the same for all national parks?


Yep.

State Forrest parks are OK in NSW.


Dogs on leads or in cars forbidden - they might kill one example of wildlife, but it's highly unlikely - feral cats and foxes OK - they kill millions a year... they are never eradicated with poison or being fair game for shooting - also forbidden in national parks......

Anyone else smell a rat here?


No, there is a reason for it. Many people are irresponsible and it spoils it for everyone else.
Feral animals are a different story and licensed shooters should be allowed in at certain times of the year to cull them even if the park has to be closed.

You can take dogs to State Forests and even shoot in them with the proper permits although it has been toughened up since last year.
https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/where-can-i-hunt/permission-conditions-hunting-in-nsw-state-forests

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:33pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:52pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:44pm:
There's a curse at Hanging Rock.
I've experienced it.


There are indeed cursed places or places where evil resides, in this nation.  I was born and raised in one such city... and that's what I always say about it.  It is an accursed place.... I always say that the Aboriginals driven out of it cursed it as they left.... now the ex's son is leaving it due to the bad past he has had there.... finally a smart boy....

It is indeed a place of evil that rots the brains and morals of those in it.....

Having lived in many places, I can assure you that some are definitely cursed..... the difference between them and a 'normal' place is incredible.... in a normal place you can live for years peacefully - in a cursed place violence and abuse will find you regardless of what you do...

Over to you, Setanta... you know some of those cursed places...


No, nowhere is cursed. There are stories of "bad places" like Hanging Rock though. Black Mountain in FNQ or the boulders at Babinda.
Notice there are commonalities, the rocks, lots of them. Babinda has water as well but it's the rocks that make the water dangerous.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:11am

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)


Next time I'll get them to sign a contract. I have eye witnesses but since they are my family I'm guessing you will discount it. Even if I had a signed contract and posted it here you would call bullshit because it doesn't go with your agenda. I doubt any aboriginals here follow the "old religion" or even know what it was anymore and still do ceremonies there. I also posted here that we had an invitation to climb it well before all this crap started.


So, no proof then?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  We have your word for it.  Who is to say your word is reliable?  Anyone?  No, I won't accept your family members' word for it.  They are, afterall, your family, now aren't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:11am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)


Next time I'll get them to sign a contract. I have eye witnesses but since they are my family I'm guessing you will discount it. Even if I had a signed contract and posted it here you would call bullshit because it doesn't go with your agenda. I doubt any aboriginals here follow the "old religion" or even know what it was anymore and still do ceremonies there. I also posted here that we had an invitation to climb it well before all this crap started.


So, no proof then?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  We have your word for it.  Who is to say your word is reliable?  Anyone?  No, I won't accept your family members' word for it.  They are, afterall, your family, now aren't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Why would I expect anything else from you? Yet we are to believe all your crap without evidence, Walter Mitty. It's not as far fetched as some of your claims, I live in the area, pick up hitchhikers, even aboriginals, but you may believe or disbelieve as you see fit. It certainly won't give me sleepless nights. It's interesting I have said the same thing years ago here. You'd almost have to believe I pre-planned this whole thing. I'm a mastermind!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:15am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
Mt Warning - the second casualty of climb it change - but not the last...

I say NPWS can butt out and let people do their own thing - we are more like a fascist regimented society every farken day.


The NPWS will lock out everyone from anywhere they can.

They accumulate land , put up fences and impose lock out every day.

If they have any difficulty acquiring land, they go to bed with some local abbos and get the land declared abbo sacred land, then they get given huge tracts of land and the abbos sell it off.

Perfect example is on the Central coast.
A strip of land from the Entrance to Toukley was being eyed off with studious eyes by NPWS.

This land for as long as anyone can remember was free access to all.
You could drive all the way to the beach and even on the beach to fish or enjoy our land.
But the NPWS couldn't get their hands on it.

Suddenly the local abbos got involved, well actually the NPWS got involved in their stead for them.
The land was handed back to the local abbos, who GAVE 3/4 of it to the NPWS and promptly sold off the rest to a syndicate who built a multi million dollar golf course on the "sacred land"
The speed that this happened was obscene, the ink wasn't dry before the land was sold.

The NPWS immediately started putting up fences and signs and started restricting access.

They never look after the land, they allow the fuel to build up and a few years ago, it caught fire and destroyed a Koala colony that has been there forever.

The abbos wasted nearly all the money, and were unable to account for that spent, an administrator was appointed and to this day the whine about not being allowed to spend their money.

This scenario is being repeated time and time again.

The NPWS are scum who never look after the land.
They are simply accumulating land for themselves with the intention of stopping anyone from ever enjoying it.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:57am

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:46pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
I don't need permission from a bunch of no hoper parasites to go where I want.

Been up Mt Warning many years ago.
There were even a few parasitic white abbos protesting our walk.
We simply walked around them.
I pissed on the top when I got there.

Sad eh?

I'd like to do the same on Ayres rock, perhaps one day......



What if you had a dog that laid a barkers egg there?


It's a national park. Dogs are not allowed.


Dingoes? Foxes? too  ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Mar 1st, 2021 at 11:00am

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:44pm:
There's a curse at Hanging Rock.
I've experienced it.


So you've said before ....

You being a Sth Sea abo would have no spiritual connection.  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by AiA on Mar 1st, 2021 at 11:07am

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am:
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience


Like a Native American casino.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:03pm

AiA wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 11:07am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am:
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience


Like a Native American casino.


Put a casino on top with all round views and a revolving restaurant - chopper the Chinese billionaires in from the Gold Coast... take their money and put it to good use controlling Aboriginal violence, crime, lack of education, and woman murder...and so forth... buy a garbage truck so they can clean up their neighbourhoods... a new kind of Black Maria... think of the extra the workers could make recycling the cans and bottles...


"Say - does that farken garbage truck come through here every morning at 3 AM?"

"No, sir - that's very unusual - supposed to come through at 3.10 AM!"


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:37pm

AiA wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 11:07am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am:
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience


Like a Native American casino.


Casinos became an open invitation for them to participate in money laundering, drugs etc.

I think operating a tourism/hiking concern is a bit more wholesome.

Another way to go would be to mandate that all profits be paid into a scheme that provides apprenticeships and scholarships to local Abos. How could any elder deny the positive benifit that could provide over a bit of oogie boogie mumbo jumbo ?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by AiA on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:37pm:

AiA wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 11:07am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 11:59am:
My suggestion.

100000 visitors x $15

Abo run Coffee shop down the bottom
Abos do maintenance on the track
Abo ticket collectors
Abo guides for people who want the ooogie boogie experience


Like a Native American casino.


Casinos became an open invitation for them to participate in money laundering, drugs etc.

I think operating a tourism/hiking concern is a bit more wholesome.

Another way to go would be to mandate that all profits be paid into a scheme that provides apprenticeships and scholarships to local Abos. How could any elder deny the positive benifit that could provide over a bit of oogie boogie mumbo jumbo ?


Indian casinos are sad places, but they do make money.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm
The leader of the Gordonites is proposing a scheme to enslave Australian Aboriginals again in the service of white racist extremists.

When will the slave team have to report to Chez Gordon for assignments?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by AiA on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:44pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:40pm:
The leader of the Gordonites is proposing a scheme to enslave Australian Aboriginals again in the service of white racist extremists.

When will the slave team have to report to Chez Gordon for assignments?


No need to trouble Gordon for that as we have a member with real-world experience milking apprentices.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:11am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)


Next time I'll get them to sign a contract. I have eye witnesses but since they are my family I'm guessing you will discount it. Even if I had a signed contract and posted it here you would call bullshit because it doesn't go with your agenda. I doubt any aboriginals here follow the "old religion" or even know what it was anymore and still do ceremonies there. I also posted here that we had an invitation to climb it well before all this crap started.


So, no proof then?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  We have your word for it.  Who is to say your word is reliable?  Anyone?  No, I won't accept your family members' word for it.  They are, afterall, your family, now aren't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


Why would I expect anything else from you? Yet we are to believe all your crap without evidence, Walter Mitty. It's not as far fetched as some of your claims, I live in the area, pick up hitchhikers, even aboriginals, but you may believe or disbelieve as you see fit. It certainly won't give me sleepless nights. It's interesting I have said the same thing years ago here. You'd almost have to believe I pre-planned this whole thing. I'm a mastermind!


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Appears you're getting a little hot under your collar, Set.  Look, it is only my opinion.  That doesn't matter any more than yours in this situation.  You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:05pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:28pm:
I have climbed Mt Warning (all the way to top...chain area included.) I was accompanied by several people....many in fact.... women, including TIB.  That was many many years ago.

When was it that Mrs Setanta climbed it?


She hasn't, neither have I or my sons. All I have said is we were given permission by an elder to climb it.


When was that permission given?


When youngest son was on Ls doing hours for his license so 25 - 16 almost 17 years. So about 8-9 years ago.


Well before the current 'embargo' which seems extremely unclear whether there is one, and what the reasons are.

I can tell you that when I did those last several meters on that virtual vertical chain......I sure did not feel safe, and I had greater fears for TIB, but she did it, as many others did before us. However, it was dangerous.

I'd shut it down on safety reasons, no worries at all.

And, I could not care less if no-one was allowed to even start the climb/ascent, any more than I care about parts of the Vatican etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc being off limits to me or you or the precious, selfish CEO of the SPA (whatever that is.)


Nowhere near verticle, it's just a steep rocky walk. I've done it without touching the chain. Perhaps you didn't read the sign?






Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by AiA on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:07pm
flip

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:17pm
Maybe we should be limiting access in NPWS, went to Mac Pass NP on Saturday and it was a damn nightmare

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:20pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:17pm:
Maybe we should be limiting access in NPWS, went to Mac Pass NP on Saturday and it was a damn nightmare


People staying local due to WuFlu. It will get back to normal.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Bojack Horseman on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:24pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:17pm:
Maybe we should be limiting access in NPWS, went to Mac Pass NP on Saturday and it was a damn nightmare


People staying local due to WuFlu. It will get back to normal.



Maybe, barely any groups canyoning just people walking up to Clover Falls for a look see.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....


I'd stop people climbing the Glashouse Mountains.  Almost at least once a month, some dickhead has to be rescued from there.  Why anyone would want to climb them (other than ~ because it is there) is way beyond me.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:50pm
So let me get this right - what sanctions are they going to put on people who go ahead and climb it anyway?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:53pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:50pm:
So let me get this right - what sanctions are they going to put on people who go ahead and climb it anyway?


The same sanctions they put on speeding drivers, and I'd add...they pay the cost of any rescue.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:55pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....


I'd stop people climbing the Glashouse Mountains.  Almost at least once a month, some dickhead has to be rescued from there.  Why anyone would want to climb them (other than ~ because it is there) is way beyond me.


Neither of which are the point - the point is that Setanta's choice not to climb Mt Warning with permission is his own choice - nobody else's.... choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about....

I haven't climbed to the fabo lookout near here yet - just got the clear from my cardiologist and had a jog today for the first time in several years... working up to that climb... when the mosquitoes are gone and the whales are here ... might as well see the whales as well... another three months or maybe four.  Last time I tried it I got less than halfway and had to stop due to pain and then stagger back down - the skeeters ate me alive... and I used to be so fit....

Waiting for the Kaffir to demand it be closed off to suit them next.... must be a religious site, eh?  I'll just get that bloke from the gu'ment declare 'im a secred site, ay?  Dead Farken Easy!!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:02pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:50pm:
So let me get this right - what sanctions are they going to put on people who go ahead and climb it anyway?


The same sanctions they put on speeding drivers, and I'd add...they pay the cost of any rescue.


Pretty general, counsellor - are they now going to fine people for trespassing on national parks?  Wow - that does sound like the beginnings of a gulag society....

https://parksaustralia.gov.au/uluru/discover/culture/uluru-climb/
"Visitors are advised that climbing Uluru is a breach of the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity (EPBC) Act, and penalties will be issued to visitors attempting to do so."

Some fancy side-stepping around the issue of the 'traditional owners' there - nobody is fined for breaking their 'law' - so the Kommissar has decreed that it be closed to everyone... National Socialist Parks and Wildlife..... the FuhrerPrinzip in action...

So all the Kaffir-luvvahs can stop preaching about what a wonderful victory it was for the flagon drinkers?  And celebrate instead the introduction of the Socio-Fascist State to Australia....

I take it I'm still free to land a chopper on top of Ayers Rock...... not climbing it.....  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:04pm
The problem at Aboriginal spiritual sites is the presence of closet-pom Gordonites pointing the 'bone'.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:05pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....


I'd stop people climbing the Glashouse Mountains.  Almost at least once a month, some dickhead has to be rescued from there.  Why anyone would want to climb them (other than ~ because it is there) is way beyond me.


Neither of which are the point - the point is that Setanta's choice not to climb Mt Warning with permission is his own choice - nobody else's.... choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about....

I haven't climbed to the fabo lookout near here yet - just got the clear from my cardiologist and had a jog today for the first time in several years... working up to that climb... when the mosquitoes are gone and the whales are here ... might as well see the whales as well... another three months or maybe four.  Last time I tried it I got less than halfway and had to stop due to pain and then stagger back down - the skeeters ate me alive... and I used to be so fit....

Waiting for the Kaffir to demand it be closed off to suit them next.... must be a religious site, eh?  I'll just get that bloke from the gu'ment declare 'im a secred site, ay?  Dead Farken Easy!!


Since when did you conclude that we may do what we like, whenever and where ever because we choose?  We do not have that right at all.  We are subject to Government, and a moral compass.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:10pm

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


No. Do we really need to explain the difference to you again John? You were pretty slow the first time round, but I'm sure you figured it out in the end.


Is this where you pretend that you're entitled?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:17pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:05pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....


I'd stop people climbing the Glashouse Mountains.  Almost at least once a month, some dickhead has to be rescued from there.  Why anyone would want to climb them (other than ~ because it is there) is way beyond me.


Neither of which are the point - the point is that Setanta's choice not to climb Mt Warning with permission is his own choice - nobody else's.... choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about....

I haven't climbed to the fabo lookout near here yet - just got the clear from my cardiologist and had a jog today for the first time in several years... working up to that climb... when the mosquitoes are gone and the whales are here ... might as well see the whales as well... another three months or maybe four.  Last time I tried it I got less than halfway and had to stop due to pain and then stagger back down - the skeeters ate me alive... and I used to be so fit....

Waiting for the Kaffir to demand it be closed off to suit them next.... must be a religious site, eh?  I'll just get that bloke from the gu'ment declare 'im a secred site, ay?  Dead Farken Easy!!


Since when did you conclude that we may do what we like, whenever and where ever because we choose?  We do not have that right at all.  We are subject to Government, and a moral compass.



I am more than aware that our government has taken upon itself the mantle of dictator.. wait for the next round.... what, pray tell, 'moral compass' is involved in Setanta not exercising his right to walk the trails of a National Park?

That choice is not one open to discussion or suggestion of any wrongdoing or falsehood... it is purely a personal choice - he chose to abort his own walk .... his body - his choice.... nothing for him to be criticised or condemned over.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:18pm
So...where is your line in the sand....on choice?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:21pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:49pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 5:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:47pm:
You claim you have permission.  I don't think you're claiming you've used it.  I wonder why?   ::)



Just exercising his right of free choice.... no problem, there... you could come over and climb the Glasshouses - why don't you?

Because it's a matter of personal free choice.....


I'd stop people climbing the Glashouse Mountains.  Almost at least once a month, some dickhead has to be rescued from there.  Why anyone would want to climb them (other than ~ because it is there) is way beyond me.


It's OK Aussie, we wouldn't expect you to understand these things.


John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


No. Do we really need to explain the difference to you again John? You were pretty slow the first time round, but I'm sure you figured it out in the end.


Is this where you pretend that you're entitled?


Greg can you explain why you think that you being a pest in real life has anything to do with the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else? You do seem to come up with creative ways to delude yourself.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:27pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:18pm:
So...where is your line in the sand....on choice?


Your right to your freedom of choice stops at the point of my nose... same-same government bodies unelected.....

Now for John Smith - whose exactly backyard is Mt Warning?  Nobody lives there, sonny... nobody holds title to it ... how is it anyone's backyard??  Because they say so?... give me your address... then I'll lay claim to it...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:29pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:18pm:
So...where is your line in the sand....on choice?


Your right to your freedom of choice stops at the point of my nose... same-same government bodies unelected.....

Now for John Smith - whose exactly backyard is Mt Warning?  Nobody lives there, sonny... nobody holds title to it ... how is it anyone's backyard??  Because they say so?... give me your address... then I'll lay claim to it...


Meaningless.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:21pm:
Greg can you explain



Greg? Are you drunk?


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:27pm:
Now for John Smith - whose exactly backyard is Mt Warning?


it was their backyard long before you or your ancestors ever knew it existed.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:43pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 9:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Is there no end to what Aussie will get pedantic over?


John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
So you only care about it when it affects you personally, like your right to have sex with other men, and other than that you are happy for the government to impose religious views on people?


No. It doesn't have to affect me personally. I also support what affects yours, or anyone else's,  private life as well.



freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:40pm:
Your answer is wrong.


Or, alternatively, you are wrong


Did it not occur to you that someone other than yourself might want to climb this mountain as part of their private life?

So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


No. Do we really need to explain the difference to you again John? You were pretty slow the first time round, but I'm sure you figured it out in the end.


Is this where you pretend that you're entitled?


John can you explain why you think that you being a pest in real life has anything to do with the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:07pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:43pm:
John can you explain why you think that you being a pest in real life has anything to do with the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?



I don't think that. You do.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm
So why did you bring it up John? Do you think backyards are some kind of religious edict the government is imposing on us?


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


I you have realised how stupid this is already, you should just say so.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by buzzanddidj on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:12pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:30am:
NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.


This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons.


https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warnings-closure/



Any publication that has right-wing extremist Keith Windshuttle seated at the helm
lacks "a good take" on ANYTHING







In January 2009, Quadrant published a hoax article authored by writer, editor and activist Katherine Wilson. The stated aim of the hoax was to expose the magazine and editor Keith Windschuttle's alleged right-wing bias.

Wilson claimed Windschuttle and Quadrant would publish an inaccurate article and not check its footnotes or authenticity if it met his preconceptions.

Using the pseudonym "biotechnologist Dr Sharon Gould" Wilson submitted an article claiming that CSIRO had planned to produce food crops engineered with human genes


.




Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? .


Stop lying FD. Or show me where I mentioned pests?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:21pm:
Greg can you explain



Greg? Are you drunk?


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:27pm:
Now for John Smith - whose exactly backyard is Mt Warning?


it was their backyard long before you or your ancestors ever knew it existed.



Well, it ain't any more..... and it wasn't 'their backyard' - it was allegedly a site on which only a few selected men - those least likely to fall off perhaps, were allowed to climb from THEIR lot.  We're a far more cosmopolitan lot - we allow women, children and WOPs to climb OUR Mt Warning... so as to experience the spiritual uplift etc..... under the Wharte Man's Way even YOU would be permitted to climb and enjoy the view if you so desired.... though I can't guarantee some won't throw stones down on you...

They didn't live there - they had not even native title... same applies to Ayers Rock... they may have lived around the base, but not on it...

This nonsense has to stop... and my point is that it is government Gauleiters/Kommissars in unelected bodies who are making these decisions without reference to the people ... and we all know what type those are drawn from these days... the educated useful fools and indoctrinated into the socialist revolution to suit a self-serving elite self-appointed..... who know better than everyone else...

Plebiscites to The People NOW!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
I you have realised how stupid this is already, you should just say so.


You really shouldn't mention 'stupid' when that is how you string a sentence together. ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:15pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm:
Well, it ain't any more



because you say so?


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm:
and it wasn't 'their backyard' - it was allegedly a site on which only a few selected men


So much the same as my backyard, or your backyard then!

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:12pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:30am:
NPWS will close anything re safety at the drop of a hat.


This is a good take on it. They let it get run down so safety concerns support closing it for cultural reasons.


https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2021/02/the-warning-in-mount-warnings-closure/



Any publication that has right-wing extremist Keith Windshuttle seated at the helm
lacks "a good take" on ANYTHING







In January 2009, Quadrant published a hoax article authored by writer, editor and activist Katherine Wilson. The stated aim of the hoax was to expose the magazine and editor Keith Windschuttle's alleged right-wing bias.

Wilson claimed Windschuttle and Quadrant would publish an inaccurate article and not check its footnotes or authenticity if it met his preconceptions.

Using the pseudonym "biotechnologist Dr Sharon Gould" Wilson submitted an article claiming that CSIRO had planned to produce food crops engineered with human genes


.



This is a bullshit take - I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average.... same applies to Mt Warning and the Glasshouses (they're next!).....

I guess - as long as the Kaffir continue to screech about it being 'their victory' and rub Whartey's face in the mud - it is Inevitable™ that someone will seek a Tarrant Solution...

The Closure Frogs are being boiled slowly one at a time so the general mass don't really notice.... don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone... the Pig Paradise put up a closure sign...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:20pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? .


Stop lying FD. Or show me where I mentioned pests?


I just did John.


freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? Do you think backyards are some kind of religious edict the government is imposing on us?


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


I you have realised how stupid this is already, you should just say so.


Should we dismiss this as just another vapid, idiotic question from you that is best ignored? Or do you want us to take you seriously?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:23pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? .


Stop lying FD. Or show me where I mentioned pests?


I just did John.


freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? Do you think backyards are some kind of religious edict the government is imposing on us?


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


I you have realised how stupid this is already, you should just say so.


Should we dismiss this as just another vapid, idiotic question from you that is best ignored? Or do you want us to take you seriously?



I didn't say anything about pests there FD. .. want to try again?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm:
Well, it ain't any more



because you say so?


Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:14pm:
and it wasn't 'their backyard' - it was allegedly a site on which only a few selected men


So much the same as my backyard, or your backyard then!


There is no comparison - they had no backyard..... they strolled around and went walkabout.. maybe camp for some fish for a while, then head off to the next piece of paradise... if I walk down the main street here does that mean I can claim all of it for my own?

My backyard is bought and paid for and has a formal title on it...... we are talking about a Common here titled a National Park.... and it's not 'unused' so does not ever fall into the category of any land the nabobs/Gauleiters/Kommissars in National Socialist Parks and Wildlife feel should be handed over to the Kaffirs without question..

It only became 'unused' because NSPWS forced everyone off it.... you get the difference?  But it's still used as a National Park attraction even by just viewing it.

We need to bring the Shadow Government of unelected bodies under tight control..... before they do that to us all... power without responsibility..... and clearly without any checks and balances....

You're way off beam, Smitty...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:25pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)


Indeed I did - not my problem that you find it hard to be educated in realities....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:27pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)


Indeed I did - not my problem that you find it hard to be educated in realities....


your rants and reality are often a long way apart Graps

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:28pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:
There is no comparison



of course not ... not in your mind anyway.Otherwise you couldn't justify your position

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:27pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)


Indeed I did - not my problem that you find it hard to be educated in realities....


your rants and reality are often a long way apart Graps



Only for the semi-uneducated, son.... you'll learn enough English one day...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm
I really don't like the name of this mountain.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:32pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:28pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:
There is no comparison



of course not ... not in your mind anyway.Otherwise you couldn't justify your position


Show Me the Fencing And The Title Papers.... BTW - which of the current crop of neo-Kaffirs was around when it became a National Park?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:33pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:27pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)


Indeed I did - not my problem that you find it hard to be educated in realities....


your rants and reality are often a long way apart Graps



Only for the semi-uneducated, son.... you'll learn enough English one day...


you sound like the conspiracy nutters. .. one trick they use to con  people into believing their ridiculous claims is to claim that only the really smart people can see the truth ....sort of like the tale of the emporers new clothes ... you're doing the same thing right now ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:39pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:27pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:19pm:
I pointed out to John Smith ages ago that deaths on Ayers Rock were massively at a lower rate then the national average..



you did? :o :o :o


See that's what happens when you start on your rants ... I stop reading ::)


Indeed I did - not my problem that you find it hard to be educated in realities....


your rants and reality are often a long way apart Graps



Only for the semi-uneducated, son.... you'll learn enough English one day...


you sound like the conspiracy nutters. .. one trick they use to con  people into believing their ridiculous claims is to claim that only the really smart people can see the truth ....sort of like the tale of the emporers new clothes ... you're doing the same thing right now ::) ::)


Actually that's what you're doing right now with your rant about backyards - is yours fenced off, BTW?  There was no backyard.... only in some mythical dreamland......

Downe Alonge Ye Olde Walkaboute Tourism Tracke...

"Jeez - Nboogalooga...the old hill up there looks good in this morning light,m eh?"

"Yeah - you wanna climb 'im, Bro?"

"Not me - too bloody much work in that... le's go on an' find a dead roo... I'm gettin' peckish...


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:46pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...

The Abbos see it as a curse and want money.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:06pm
You see - squatter's rights were extinguished when a formal system of land ownership was properly set up - at which point squatters had to pay a sum to the Crown for land they had previously possessed by right of asserting that they owned it...

At no time did the Kaffir buy into this Whartey Captain Cook Scheme, and I doubt if, today, they could raise even the nominal sums required to do so....

I suppose they could go the route of saying that they were excluded from the buying process back then - and expect the government to pay for them... but how then the established rights of private owners and of the Crown to lands designated?

National Parks are Crown lands.... therefore there are no squatter's rights... and what part of National do you find difficult to understand?  It doesn't say First National.... that's a real estate company... and there were no First Nations then....

So I'm afraid national parks remain the common property of the nation and all of its people.... sorry 'bout that ....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:10pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...

The Abbos see it as a curse and want money.


Spirits up there?  I know the Moon Dancers - dancing in the moonlight to a full moon on a warm night while naked - did some heavy partying.... including spirits...

Downe at Ye Olde Pre-Moon Dance Ceremony:-

"Now r]don;t forget!  In order to placate the spirits of Mt Warning you have to pour at least two inches of this whiskey bottle on that sacred rock over there... true shamanship there, using spirits to placate spirits!!  Then they won't bother us and we can dance to our heart's content..."

"Shame to waste such fine whiskey - do you think the spirits would mind if I filtered it through my kidneys first?"


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:16pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...

The Abbos see it as a curse and want money.


Spirits up there?  I know the Moon Dancers - dancing in the moonlight to a full moon on a warm night while naked - did some heavy partying.... including spirits...

Downe at Ye Olde Pre-Moon Dance Ceremony:-

"Now r]don;t forget!  In order to placate the spirits of Mt Warning you have to pour at least two inches of this whiskey bottle on that sacred rock over there... true shamanship there, using spirits to placate spirits!!  Then they won't bother us and we can dance to our heart's content..."

"Shame to waste such fine whiskey - do you think the spirits would mind if I filtered it through my kidneys first?"

There are a lot of spirits flying around these days,, culture=spirits ?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:21pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:23pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? .


Stop lying FD. Or show me where I mentioned pests?


I just did John.


freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:09pm:
So why did you bring it up John? Do you think backyards are some kind of religious edict the government is imposing on us?


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


I you have realised how stupid this is already, you should just say so.


Should we dismiss this as just another vapid, idiotic question from you that is best ignored? Or do you want us to take you seriously?



I didn't say anything about pests there FD. .. want to try again?


Neither did I John. Read it again. If you cannot figure it out for yourself, then I'm afraid no-one can help you.

If you don't want anyone to take you seriously, just say so. You are even slower on the uptake the second time round.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:34pm
After the Moslems get their 'Messiah' out of the ruins of France, to die for their sins and put their 'Empire' to rest finally. Moslems drop their weapons and wander the Middle-East like the Jews once did.

...that's when Italy becomes ruled by the Mafia (far worse than the Nazis) on behalf of the Vatican and begin to 'genocide' the unarmed Moslems (like the ones that dissapeared often off the coast of Italy during the Refugee crises a few years back).
Moslems cry for Allah's help - but from the world, they only hear crickets chirping and Britain telling the Italians to "Stop! Or we'll say stop again."

...that's when Israel comes to the rescue of the Moslems and 'destroys the Vatican' as well as the Mafia.  ;)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:09pm
The tribe are considering their options, BLM, culture, VB, spirits et cetera
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Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Laugh till you cry on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 12:22am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:09pm:
The tribe are considering their options, BLM, culture, VB, spirits et cetera


That has the appearance of a Sunday afternoon at Chez Gordon.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 12:32am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 12:22am:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:09pm:
The tribe are considering their options, BLM, culture, VB, spirits et cetera


That has the appearance of a Sunday afternoon at Chez Gordon.

Its an everyday occurrence in tribal lands.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......

Besides - I thought the National Socialist Parks and Wildlife Service Gauleiters/Kommissars were shutting down climbing Mt Warning and Ayers Rock for 'safety' reasons.... even though the figures are that the actual rate per capita of death is far less than the national average....

If that is the case, why are the Kaffir saying that they won some fight for their religion or whatever?

Like ever so many, you mistake the onset of a despotic and unelected government structure for 'liberating' the limited and out-dated demands of a tiny minority, who never, in reality ever did the things they claim with those national icons.

I suppose, over there in the wilds of Farout Western Australia - the government really doesn't impact on you - and that's why you keep sending us Dodos as politicians.... what they carry on about doesn't really affect you lot in your depraved style of existence - it just affects everyone else who lives in the majority states.

Maybe there's a good argument for cutting loose those West of the Great Divide which isn't the mountain range..... it's the social range divide...



Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:08am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:10pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...

The Abbos see it as a curse and want money.


Spirits up there?  I know the Moon Dancers - dancing in the moonlight to a full moon on a warm night while naked - did some heavy partying.... including spirits...

Downe at Ye Olde Pre-Moon Dance Ceremony:-

"Now don't forget!  In order to placate the spirits of Mt Warning you have to pour at least two inches of this whiskey bottle on that sacred rock over there... true shamanship there, using spirits to placate spirits!!  Then they won't bother us and we can dance to our heart's content..."

"Shame to waste such fine whiskey - do you think the spirits would mind if I filtered it through my kidneys first?"

There are a lot of spirits flying around these days,, culture=spirits ?


Well often fueled by spirits anyway...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by J.D. on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:26am
The Boongs own this country so its fair they should get a free ride from here on end since they can't look after themselves anymore because they are primitive people.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:38am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:26am:
The Boongs own this country so its fair they should get a free ride from here on end since they can't look after themselves anymore because they are primitive people.


Here is your package of forms - sign over your property now, sign right here..... and your car and so forth... what?  You want emergency hospital treatment for a heart attack? Sorry, mate - we've got obese and drug-addled Kooners filled up the list in front of you!  Special Breed, you know..... need priority to close the gap and drug and alcohol abusers are not to be discriminated against......

Give 'em a homeland and turn 'em loose without any support if they don't want to be part of it all... you don't want to be part of the Australian NRL team - fine - play for the Indigenous All-stars and then you can whine about 'racism' all day and night...

We're all supposed to be brothers in Oz - not bruvvas and the rest.... farken primitives....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:40am

Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.


You forgot about the crime rate.... the crime rate....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 3:51pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:40am:

Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.


You forgot about the crime rate.... the crime rate....


There is no crime rate in Africa.

I always has and always will be a cesspit of criminality.

But that's how black works

Negros, highest crime rate
Muzzos, predominantly criminals
Abbos, lazy incompetent criminals.
Africans, stupid, lazy, incompetent criminals.

Are you getting the drift?

The world's crime rate could be reduced by 3/4 Just by locking up all the DARKIES.

True Eden could be achieved

Simply by making it white.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:14pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:21pm:
[
Neither did I John.


Yes you did.


Quote:
John can you explain why you think that you being a pest in real life has anything to do with the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?


That was what I responded to.

Everything after that was just more nonsense from you pretending to have a clue.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:17pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:26am:
The Boongs own this country so its fair they should get a free ride from here on end since they can't look after themselves anymore because they are primitive people.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Spoken like a real Racist there.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:21pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......


You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after 167 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:01pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......

Besides - I thought the National Socialist Parks and Wildlife Service Gauleiters/Kommissars were shutting down climbing Mt Warning and Ayers Rock for 'safety' reasons.... even though the figures are that the actual rate per capita of death is far less than the national average....

If that is the case, why are the Kaffir saying that they won some fight for their religion or whatever?

Like ever so many, you mistake the onset of a despotic and unelected government structure for 'liberating' the limited and out-dated demands of a tiny minority, who never, in reality ever did the things they claim with those national icons.

I suppose, over there in the wilds of Farout Western Australia - the government really doesn't impact on you - and that's why you keep sending us Dodos as politicians.... what they carry on about doesn't really affect you lot in your depraved style of existence - it just affects everyone else who lives in the majority states.

Maybe there's a good argument for cutting loose those West of the Great Divide which isn't the mountain range..... it's the social range divide...


No it isn't. It's a sufferance of British and other 'multi-cultures' and one 'original' domestic - aboriginal.
Going off and fighting wars for 'other' nations doesn't cut it.

The Queen could remove the Union Jack off the Flag and hand it back to the Aboriginals with the UN as witness.
Even an North American induced Unionism Eureka Stockade still doesn't cut it.

You want this 'land' - then you must pay the price!
...in blood.
Also, having an American-like War of Independence against Britain (as Capitosonora tries to slither in) will not work here as our Political structure is not like theirs for starters.
Regardless, the concept of 'Land' is 'Black'... just like 'Cities' are a 'Yellow' thing and why only yellow people (like Chinese) have their little inner sanctums of Chinatowns, etc.
Brownies for the Temples, Blues for the Hospitals, Rangas for the airports, White for Politics and Language, etc, etc.
You can't call Australia as America - so everyone has their place and role. White men playing soldier in the Olive-Green Military, etc - which is ok, but its the ignorant ones who can't see the big picture.

Politics is here to 'breed', not be 'empowered', like in Namerica. Art is the cultural empowerment here - yep, all those leftie Ferals, etc will soon have to take on a huge responsibility (that usually can't incorporate having kids too) for the nation.

Let it go Grappler. I'm a 'Water-Spirit' and the ocean is for many people - their destiny. Hence why many live around the coastline of Australia. Aboriginal Australia has 'rented' their land, so another people can find their 'New World' and destiny as much as Namericans realise their destiny is in Aviation, the heavens and skies like Eagles.
Hell, the Aboriginals have even upset the Amerindians by claiming the Land of North America too.

Of all the cultures in the world, I find the aboriginals the most advanced and intergrated with all things 'Land' - solid as an Uluru rock.

Any white opposition to this will just end up crucified upon the Southern Cross to die for the sins of all Australians (politically) - are you that man Grapps? Will you lay down your life to pay concession to all the Political people here in australia? George Washington had to rise to the occassion and the 'people' paid in blood for it. Here in Australia, it's the reverse - a George Washington would be the 'sacrifice' and the one to die, not the people.

Go on Grapps - step up and shout to the world that you will claim the Aboriginal Land (from the Crown's keeping) and die for all our sins.  ;)

Australia: A Multi-Cultural (detached foreign entities) nation of British, American, Chinese ...and a domestic Aboriginal.
Early 'Americanised' Colonialism of drizabones, snowy river stories and more are just 'Americanism' like Unionism. Plus - British and American influences (like Colonialism of Green/Gold cliches) are stuck in the PAST.
What Australia needs is a 'future' culture - like a New World Time.

For those who stick to the Big Picture, it will ALWAYS be Aboriginal 'Land' (and even the Boongs need to prioritise that - for their Political and other aspects of their culture are weaker efforts). The Aboriginals will bend the knee to the British in the name of Politics - it is afterall the 'proven' language and system internationally (though USA thinks otherwise, but they are just a Lancelot, not an Arthur). But the world must bend the knee to the 'Land' being Black.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:24pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.


The Boer Europeans had 'integrated' with the Xhoi-san, Hottentot and Bantu (although Zulu were a bit rogue to all tribes and people) and thus most were 'Farmers' of the land like most others.
...then the British Europeans turned up with their Politics (and Military) and turned the country to crap and division so they could make South Africa 'their Military/Political Outpost' - kinda f*uck everyone else who was there be they white or black.
Of course the Boers were more interested in just being 'African' - The Land, not British subjects, so a War insured where Xhoi, San, Hottentot and Bantus VOLUNTEERED on behalf of the Boers. The British had to BUY the Coloured, then by the people they called 'Black', to fight on their side.
The inclusion of the MERCENARIES from Australia & New Zealand kinda changed the tide and the Boers eventually broke. Go read the Washing of the Spears.
Thus South Africa became a POLITICAL nation of division (keep the natives, boers included, weak) and the propaganda machine began to keep it so.

British Politics via Rhodes also ruined Zimbabwe. Resulting in someone like Mugabe (Britain's Frankestein) because of that action.
Imagine someone walking  into your house and taking it by gunpoint - that's Rhodes and Britain in Zimbabwe. Simple as that. Atrocity and genocide - that was Rhodes.

So we now know - that most Africans like Boers, as they fit it snuggly with the traditional African way of life. As for the British or Political there - well even Mandela knew Politics is not South Africa's destiny and true character.

British positives: North America, Middle-East, South America, Sahul (Oz).

British negatives: Africa, Asia, Europe (as you will soon see, as Britain cowardly steps back with a Brexit, leaving the French out in front to face ISLAM's last Jihad) and Oceania.

Face it - the British f*ucked up in South Africa and is the root cause of Racism there - not the Boers (unless financed by the British Propaganda Media pumping nazi minority groups among the majority of Boers).

My money is on a Pom or Aussie being shot by a Hottentot, than a Boer being shot. Some Whites are friends and allies, other Whites are not.

But we are seeing that Germany has dumped Politics and Military because it turned them into Nazis. France will soon dump them too - because it will turn them into victims. Italy will fail with this also... leaving only Britain  ;)

Propaganda and Media - very dangerous industry to deal with. Just ask Trump. Told us many lies about Cuba and then there was Venezuela and Chile's Pinochet (who worked for the CIA money to keep his nation 'weak') and MANY MORE.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:26pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.


Also, the Blue and Grey Europeans are most welcome in Africa.
The White and Red Europeans - not so (but the females are).

It's a complicated World Valkie.
Maybe you should study it more before you comment?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:21pm:
[Neither did I John.


Yes you did.


Quote:
John can you explain why you think that you being a pest in real life has anything to do with the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?


That was what I responded to.

Everything after that was just more nonsense from you pretending to have a clue.


And if you could be bothered, you could read what I was responding to, rather than asking yet another idiotic question. There is no ambiguity in my meaning to anyone but you.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:11pm
How long do you lot think Australia woukd last if all the whites left and took everything they made with them.

The scorched earth policy, leaving nothing that whites introduced.

I give them, at most, a month and they would revert to primitive monkeys again.

2 months later China would set up shop.

In 12 months there would be no more abbos.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:40pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.


How is it relevant John? It seems you are the only one who knows, yet by some mystery you cannot say either.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:06pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:01pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......

Besides - I thought the National Socialist Parks and Wildlife Service Gauleiters/Kommissars were shutting down climbing Mt Warning and Ayers Rock for 'safety' reasons.... even though the figures are that the actual rate per capita of death is far less than the national average....

If that is the case, why are the Kaffir saying that they won some fight for their religion or whatever?

Like ever so many, you mistake the onset of a despotic and unelected government structure for 'liberating' the limited and out-dated demands of a tiny minority, who never, in reality ever did the things they claim with those national icons.

I suppose, over there in the wilds of Farout Western Australia - the government really doesn't impact on you - and that's why you keep sending us Dodos as politicians.... what they carry on about doesn't really affect you lot in your depraved style of existence - it just affects everyone else who lives in the majority states.

Maybe there's a good argument for cutting loose those West of the Great Divide which isn't the mountain range..... it's the social range divide...


No it isn't. It's a sufferance of British and other 'multi-cultures' and one 'original' domestic - aboriginal.
Going off and fighting wars for 'other' nations doesn't cut it.

The Queen could remove the Union Jack off the Flag and hand it back to the Aboriginals with the UN as witness.
Even an North American induced Unionism Eureka Stockade still doesn't cut it.

You want this 'land' - then you must pay the price!
...in blood.
Also, having an American-like War of Independence against Britain (as Capitosonora tries to slither in) will not work here as our Political structure is not like theirs for starters.
Regardless, the concept of 'Land' is 'Black'... just like 'Cities' are a 'Yellow' thing and why only yellow people (like Chinese) have their little inner sanctums of Chinatowns, etc.
Brownies for the Temples, Blues for the Hospitals, Rangas for the airports, White for Politics and Language, etc, etc.
You can't call Australia as America - so everyone has their place and role. White men playing soldier in the Olive-Green Military, etc - which is ok, but its the ignorant ones who can't see the big picture.

Politics is here to 'breed', not be 'empowered', like in Namerica. Art is the cultural empowerment here - yep, all those leftie Ferals, etc will soon have to take on a huge responsibility (that usually can't incorporate having kids too) for the nation.

Let it go Grappler. I'm a 'Water-Spirit' and the ocean is for many people - their destiny. Hence why many live around the coastline of Australia. Aboriginal Australia has 'rented' their land, so another people can find their 'New World' and destiny as much as Namericans realise their destiny is in Aviation, the heavens and skies like Eagles.
Hell, the Aboriginals have even upset the Amerindians by claiming the Land of North America too.

Of all the cultures in the world, I find the aboriginals the most advanced and intergrated with all things 'Land' - solid as an Uluru rock.

Any white opposition to this will just end up crucified upon the Southern Cross to die for the sins of all Australians (politically) - are you that man Grapps? Will you lay down your life to pay concession to all the Political people here in australia? George Washington had to rise to the occassion and the 'people' paid in blood for it. Here in Australia, it's the reverse - a George Washington would be the 'sacrifice' and the one to die, not the people.

Go on Grapps - step up and shout to the world that you will claim the Aboriginal Land (from the Crown's keeping) and die for all our sins.  ;)

Australia: A Multi-Cultural (detached foreign entities) nation of British, American, Chinese ...and a domestic Aboriginal.
Early 'Americanised' Colonialism of drizabones, snowy river stories and more are just 'Americanism' like Unionism. Plus - British and American influences (like Colonialism of Green/Gold cliches) are stuck in the PAST.
What Australia needs is a 'future' culture - like a New World Time.

For those who stick to the Big Picture, it will ALWAYS be Aboriginal 'Land' (and even the Boongs need to prioritise that - for their Political and other aspects of their culture are weaker efforts). The Aboriginals will bend the knee to the British in the name of Politics - it is afterall the 'proven' language and system internationally (though USA thinks otherwise, but they are just a Lancelot, not an Arthur). But the world must bend the knee to the 'Land' being Black.



You telling me that the blood and sweat and toil of my ancestors and myself do not warrant my calling this MY land?

Where I comes from them's fighting words...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:17pm
It's only 'Aboriginal land' in the sense of what they did on it traditionally... which was covered in Native Title until that steadily became a perversion of what it was...

AS USUAL - it started off lovely and benign - no natives would be taking your farm or home from you.... but they would be free to practice their traditional pursuits on the large areas their ancestors used to frequent, as long as it did not impinge on the rights of land owners = others.

...then it became = "claims for traditional sacred sites will be accepted"...

...then it became = "unused national park land will be allocated to Aboriginals  since nobody else uses it anyway"...

...then it became =  "we enforce closure of components of national parks, thus making them unused by anyone else, and therefore hand them to Aboriginals who claim they once 'owned' it in their sense"....

That's why I used the term 'boiling the national park frog slowly'..... now they are NOT 'national' in any way - they are open slather for any Aboriginal claim, no matter how tenuous.... and thus are increasingly becoming Aboriginal preserves where nobody really goes - not even most of them who live in towns etc and never go into the bush ...

It's called daylight robbery by your own government - and just like pushing feminism and all the other 'isms' - it is being done by faceless bureaucrats who are only answerable to a supine or complicit government**, and who - if ever boosted into orbit from their fat jobs - will live in luxury for life, anyway.

I told yez about Chile and how it was essentially destroyed by everything being controlled and dictated by faceless bureaucrats in their public service... and this is now what we are suffering here in our 'enlightened lucky country'....

It saddens me deeply that so few of you even see it....

** you all need to ask yourselves why any government would pursue such a path of disenfranchisement of its majority peoples... once you know that, you'll know everything....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:06am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:17pm:
It's only 'Aboriginal land' in the sense of what they did on it traditionally... which was covered in Native Title until that steadily became a perversion of what it was...

AS USUAL - it started off lovely and benign - no natives would be taking your farm or home from you.... but they would be free to practice their traditional pursuits on the large areas their ancestors used to frequent, as long as it did not impinge on the rights of land owners = others.

...then it became = "claims for traditional sacred sites will be accepted"...

...then it became = "unused national park land will be allocated to Aboriginals  since nobody else uses it anyway"...

...then it became =  "we enforce closure of components of national parks, thus making them unused by anyone else, and therefore hand them to Aboriginals who claim they once 'owned' it in their sense"....

That's why I used the term 'boiling the national park frog slowly'..... now they are NOT 'national' in any way - they are open slather for any Aboriginal claim, no matter how tenuous.... and thus are increasingly becoming Aboriginal preserves where nobody really goes - not even most of them who live in towns etc and never go into the bush ...

It's called daylight robbery by your own government - and just like pushing feminism and all the other 'isms' - it is being done by faceless bureaucrats who are only answerable to a supine or complicit government**, and who - if ever boosted into orbit from their fat jobs - will live in luxury for life, anyway.

I told yez about Chile and how it was essentially destroyed by everything being controlled and dictated by faceless bureaucrats in their public service... and this is now what we are suffering here in our 'enlightened lucky country'....

It saddens me deeply that so few of you even see it....

** you all need to ask yourselves why any government would pursue such a path of disenfranchisement of its majority peoples... once you know that, you'll know everything....


Let me reiterate what I said earlier, Graps:

You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after nearly 200 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 1:37am
Your Ancestors did nothing but work for Britain, USA and even China, among other 'foreign' nations.

What's the matter?
Afraid to work for the Dreamtime?

Why is it that after all the local whities told me how bad the Wreck Bay Aboriginals were, when I did Taxi there.
Taking the 'Abs' home to Wreck Bay, they were the nicest people and always 'tipped' me.
I reckon if you (or even Aussie) drove them home - they would do a runner on you (and probably belt Aussie for trying to extract an extra dollar).

The only way forward is through the Aboriginal Door.
That's the future of being Australian.
You can always run back to Mummy Britain and Daddy America like a scared little boy. Maybe pretend here in Australia that you're still fighting Apaches and Sioux or going on campaigns for the British against anywhere else but here.

Watching Australian Politics seek its 'War of Independence' is nothing more than having an affair, sniffing chairs women sit on in Parliment and raping young women.
Yeah - this is what your Ancestors fought for.  ::)
This is the great Political Australia away from the Brits and Yanks (and all the other overseas nations) running the show.

If the Queen took the Union Jack off the Flag, it would be like removing the Dole.

No Pom or Yank (or the world) to protect you here in a land full of Aboriginals.
Whaddaya gonna do Grapps?

Your Ancestors (Military) are nothing more than Mercs for overseas nations.

Australia: Where the Politicians are turning into sex fiends and the Artists are being forced to run their own business.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 9:59am

Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 1:37am:
Your Ancestors did nothing but work for Britain, USA and even China, among other 'foreign' nations.

What's the matter?
Afraid to work for the Dreamtime?

Why is it that after all the local whities told me how bad the Wreck Bay Aboriginals were, when I did Taxi there.
Taking the 'Abs' home to Wreck Bay, they were the nicest people and always 'tipped' me.
I reckon if you (or even Aussie) drove them home - they would do a runner on you (and probably belt Aussie for trying to extract an extra dollar).

The only way forward is through the Aboriginal Door.
That's the future of being Australian.
You can always run back to Mummy Britain and Daddy America like a scared little boy. Maybe pretend here in Australia that you're still fighting Apaches and Sioux or going on campaigns for the British against anywhere else but here.

Watching Australian Politics seek its 'War of Independence' is nothing more than having an affair, sniffing chairs women sit on in Parliment and raping young women.
Yeah - this is what your Ancestors fought for.  ::)
This is the great Political Australia away from the Brits and Yanks (and all the other overseas nations) running the show.

If the Queen took the Union Jack off the Flag, it would be like removing the Dole.

No Pom or Yank (or the world) to protect you here in a land full of Aboriginals.
Whaddaya gonna do Grapps?

Your Ancestors (Military) are nothing more than Mercs for overseas nations.

Australia: Where the Politicians are turning into sex fiends and the Artists are being forced to run their own business.


First thing I'd suggest is pissing all you Sth Sea Pommy "Piscoes"(Pascoes) off back across the Ditch .....

where you can dribble on to your hearts content.

A Kiwi telling Aussies what they can or can't do & what they are or who they racially represent?

Naff off Jasin.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:06am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 10:17pm:
It's only 'Aboriginal land' in the sense of what they did on it traditionally... which was covered in Native Title until that steadily became a perversion of what it was...

AS USUAL - it started off lovely and benign - no natives would be taking your farm or home from you.... but they would be free to practice their traditional pursuits on the large areas their ancestors used to frequent, as long as it did not impinge on the rights of land owners = others.

...then it became = "claims for traditional sacred sites will be accepted"...

...then it became = "unused national park land will be allocated to Aboriginals  since nobody else uses it anyway"...

...then it became =  "we enforce closure of components of national parks, thus making them unused by anyone else, and therefore hand them to Aboriginals who claim they once 'owned' it in their sense"....

That's why I used the term 'boiling the national park frog slowly'..... now they are NOT 'national' in any way - they are open slather for any Aboriginal claim, no matter how tenuous.... and thus are increasingly becoming Aboriginal preserves where nobody really goes - not even most of them who live in towns etc and never go into the bush ...

It's called daylight robbery by your own government - and just like pushing feminism and all the other 'isms' - it is being done by faceless bureaucrats who are only answerable to a supine or complicit government**, and who - if ever boosted into orbit from their fat jobs - will live in luxury for life, anyway.

I told yez about Chile and how it was essentially destroyed by everything being controlled and dictated by faceless bureaucrats in their public service... and this is now what we are suffering here in our 'enlightened lucky country'....

It saddens me deeply that so few of you even see it....

** you all need to ask yourselves why any government would pursue such a path of disenfranchisement of its majority peoples... once you know that, you'll know everything....


Let me reiterate what I said earlier, Graps:

You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after nearly 200 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


Sadly for your non-argument, Brian - NO - in the modern age it is not 'their land' - it belongs to all Australians on that basis....

Have you signed your home etc over to them yet over there?  Do you intend to?

It is you who are being racist and divisive.  Nobody else has been consulted about these issues - all that ever happens to permit any other views to be put forward is that a private group may form to oppose a venture such as closing off a swathe of land... but they are blatantly ignored.

If the issues of closures etc were put to the people via plebiscite, as I suggested, you might have a point, but you do not.  Like discussing any issues surrounding certain groups - and we all know who those Fifth Columnists are by now - all discussion is restricted to 'their' side - and anyone else with a view is labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, Musso-hater and any number of things so as to silence any views that might oppose the plan under way to rape the rights of the general community to suit a whining minority.

Saying 'they have as much right to a say as anyone else' is specious - they have the same right of say as everyone else via the ballot box and representation to those in control - except that those in control simply ignore any other views.... so they actually have the ONLY say.

That's how it works in a socio-fascist dictatorship, son - guess you missed it... the power of the province government stops at the village gates.....

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:17am

Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 1:37am:
Your Ancestors did nothing but work for Britain, USA and even China, among other 'foreign' nations.

What's the matter?
Afraid to work for the Dreamtime?

Why is it that after all the local whities told me how bad the Wreck Bay Aboriginals were, when I did Taxi there.
Taking the 'Abs' home to Wreck Bay, they were the nicest people and always 'tipped' me.
I reckon if you (or even Aussie) drove them home - they would do a runner on you (and probably belt Aussie for trying to extract an extra dollar).

The only way forward is through the Aboriginal Door.
That's the future of being Australian.
You can always run back to Mummy Britain and Daddy America like a scared little boy. Maybe pretend here in Australia that you're still fighting Apaches and Sioux or going on campaigns for the British against anywhere else but here.

Watching Australian Politics seek its 'War of Independence' is nothing more than having an affair, sniffing chairs women sit on in Parliment and raping young women.
Yeah - this is what your Ancestors fought for.  ::)
This is the great Political Australia away from the Brits and Yanks (and all the other overseas nations) running the show.

If the Queen took the Union Jack off the Flag, it would be like removing the Dole.

No Pom or Yank (or the world) to protect you here in a land full of Aboriginals.
Whaddaya gonna do Grapps?

Your Ancestors (Military) are nothing more than Mercs for overseas nations.

Australia: Where the Politicians are turning into sex fiends and the Artists are being forced to run their own business.


Stay off the fruity lexia .............

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:30am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:06am:
Let me reiterate what I said earlier, Graps:

You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after nearly 200 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


Sadly for your non-argument, Brian - NO - in the modern age it is not 'their land' - it belongs to all Australians on that basis....


Whose land was it before the White Fellas landed in 1788, Graps?  The Indigenous Australians'.  To face up to history and your attempt to continue the idea of it being Terra Nullius.  That was disproved by the High Court.


Quote:
Have you signed your home etc over to them yet over there?  Do you intend to?


Immaterial.  They aren't asking for it and under the Native Title act they aren't entitled to it, Graps.  Stop throwing non sequiturs it just demonstrates how desperate you are to prove your racism.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


Quote:
It is you who are being racist and divisive.  Nobody else has been consulted about these issues - all that ever happens to permit any other views to be put forward is that a private group may form to oppose a venture such as closing off a swathe of land... but they are blatantly ignored.


If you believe that is true, take it to the High Court, Graps.  Do you believe that is true?  All Australians have been consulted - through the Governmentary processes.  Your just upset because you've only just learnt about it.  ::)


Quote:
If the issues of closures etc were put to the people via plebiscite, as I suggested, you might have a point, but you do not.  Like discussing any issues surrounding certain groups - and we all know who those Fifth Columnists are by now - all discussion is restricted to 'their' side - and anyone else with a view is labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, Musso-hater and any number of things so as to silence any views that might oppose the plan under way to rape the rights of the general community to suit a whining minority.


Mock outrage.  Tsk, tsk.  You need to take the matter to the High Court, if you are genuinely upset about your supposed "non-consultation".  ::)


Quote:
Saying 'they have as much right to a say as anyone else' is specious - they have the same right of say as everyone else via the ballot box and representation to those in control - except that those in control simply ignore any other views.... so they actually have the ONLY say.

That's how it works in a socio-fascist dictatorship, son - guess you missed it... the power of the province government stops at the village gates.....


How do you know they and the majority of Australians haven't already decided - via the ballot box - their decision, Graps?  You do understand how the concept of democracy is supposed to work in Australia, don't you?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm
Brian how do you feel about the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:58pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm:
Brian how do you feel about the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?


You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 9:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 6:39pm:
Brian how do you feel about the government imposing one religion's sacred cows on everyone else?


You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  ::) ::)


You support any form of theocracy, so long as it is not Christian. Those nuns sure have a lot to answer for.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:45am
Britain to hand over all Australia (Mt Warning too) back to the Aboriginals and leave it's shores.

The Whites left behind freak out because how dare they (dirty filthy convicts) 'serve' Blacks! Happy to grovel and serve the CCP Economy/Yellow people though.

Looks like Whites who respect Aboriginal/even African culture are turning out the richer and holidaying in Mauritius and Reunion. While the grovellers who serve Asia and the CCP Economy can only afford Bali with all the Housos and junkies. ;D

Culture innit? Some have missed the boat.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:11am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:30am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:06am:
Let me reiterate what I said earlier, Graps:

You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after nearly 200 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


Sadly for your non-argument, Brian - NO - in the modern age it is not 'their land' - it belongs to all Australians on that basis....


Whose land was it before the White Fellas landed in 1788, Graps?  The Indigenous Australians'.  To face up to history and your attempt to continue the idea of it being Terra Nullius.  That was disproved by the High Court.


Quote:
Have you signed your home etc over to them yet over there?  Do you intend to?


Immaterial.  They aren't asking for it and under the Native Title act they aren't entitled to it, Graps.  Stop throwing non sequiturs it just demonstrates how desperate you are to prove your racism.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

[quote]
It is you who are being racist and divisive.  Nobody else has been consulted about these issues - all that ever happens to permit any other views to be put forward is that a private group may form to oppose a venture such as closing off a swathe of land... but they are blatantly ignored.


If you believe that is true, take it to the High Court, Graps.  Do you believe that is true?  All Australians have been consulted - through the Governmentary processes.  Your just upset because you've only just learnt about it.  ::)


Quote:
If the issues of closures etc were put to the people via plebiscite, as I suggested, you might have a point, but you do not.  Like discussing any issues surrounding certain groups - and we all know who those Fifth Columnists are by now - all discussion is restricted to 'their' side - and anyone else with a view is labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, Musso-hater and any number of things so as to silence any views that might oppose the plan under way to rape the rights of the general community to suit a whining minority.


Mock outrage.  Tsk, tsk.  You need to take the matter to the High Court, if you are genuinely upset about your supposed "non-consultation".  ::)


Quote:
Saying 'they have as much right to a say as anyone else' is specious - they have the same right of say as everyone else via the ballot box and representation to those in control - except that those in control simply ignore any other views.... so they actually have the ONLY say.

That's how it works in a socio-fascist dictatorship, son - guess you missed it... the power of the province government stops at the village gates.....


How do you know they and the majority of Australians haven't already decided - via the ballot box - their decision, Graps?  You do understand how the concept of democracy is supposed to work in Australia, don't you?   ::) ::)[/quote]

This is not 1788 or any time before...the same argument can apply to any ancestral lands, but nobody else gets to screech for its return etc. The times they are not only changing - they have changed... get with it or stop blocking the corridors.

What EXACTLY do YOU mean by 'their land", Brian?  Just hand over whatever they demand?  When are you going to start us all off by handing over?  Never once answered.

That's right, Brian - 'under the Native Title Act' they are NOT entitled to any land held by any other - including National Parks held in trust by the government for The People.  Not hard.  This vile reversal of 'the people as sovereign' must not be permitted to stand.

As for the ballot box - no this was not an election issue, same as all the other things that will come about with a change of government will not be an election issue - it was a decision made by faceless bureaucrats who have no direct responsibility to the very people they rort.  The fact that it was done under the orders of their political masters is irrelevant - those political masters have adroitly used a 'cut-out' so as to evade any responsibility.

They already have a Voice in Parliament - they get to vote same as everyone else eligible - do you have a problem with that?  Many aggrieved groups would like a Voice in Parliament... and most of those don't even have any lobbyists or anyone who even listens to them - the Silenced Majority.

Not even going to argue your nonsensical name-calling... we'll leave that to silly phil raised on the same water over there.   ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:12am

Jasin wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:45am:
Britain to hand over all Australia (Mt Warning too) back to the Aboriginals and leave it's shores.

The Whites left behind freak out because how dare they (dirty filthy convicts) 'serve' Blacks! Happy to grovel and serve the CCP Economy/Yellow people though.

Looks like Whites who respect Aboriginal/even African culture are turning out the richer and holidaying in Mauritius and Reunion. While the grovellers who serve Asia and the CCP Economy can only afford Bali with all the Housos and junkies. ;D

Culture innit? Some have missed the boat.


Don't see anyone leaving just yet...... this is my land, always was, always will be......

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:12pm
Because the lazy abbo did nothing for 60000 years they get to own this land.

But the original British didn't, they were invaded and are now better for it.

Many other countries also have been invaded, some several times.

But they don't grovel, whine,  winger and beg for everything, as our abbos do.

Our abbos have been well looked after
They get paid to do nothing but get pisses and stoned.
They are given free education, which they are too lazy to use
They get land thrown at them, which they sell off and waste the money, then demand the land back.
They have 2 billion dollars thrown at them to "Help them catch up" to whites.
Many additional benifits are also wasted on these ungrateful, wasteful and lazy creatures.

It's been 200 years for gods sake.
If they cannot assimilate and become civilized after 200 bloody years, when will they?

They have one of the highest child molestation rates of any culture.
They have one of the highest domestic violence rates of any culture.
They have the lowest employment rate and the highest social welfare rates of any culture.
And against the parasitic muzzos, that's really saying something.

Many of the "so called" abbos of today are predominantly white.
Wander the abbo locals in Sydney,  see if you can find even one who is actually a full blood or black.

This race of parasites are wasting billions and billions of my hard earned taxes every year.
Wasted on parasites who have no self respect and no respect for anyone else.
Too wasted on grog and drugs, they cannot look further into the future than their next fix or bottle.

I, for one, have no respect for a race of parasites.
If they want respect, they need to get off their arses and earn it.
But that will never happen as long as we treat them like spoilt children.
They need to be weaned off the tit and made to start contributing.
Otherwise, they will be nothing more than an example of primitives who will never be civilized beyond a load of dead beats.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:07pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:11am:
This is not 1788 or any time before...the same argument can apply to any ancestral lands, but nobody else gets to screech for its return etc. The times they are not only changing - they have changed... get with it or stop blocking the corridors.


We aren't discussing 1788 except in your imagination, Graps.  Time to catch up.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)


Quote:
What EXACTLY do YOU mean by 'their land", Brian?  Just hand over whatever they demand?  When are you going to start us all off by handing over?  Never once answered.


Their property rights were overturned by White Fellas.  They were massacred, had their land stolen, had their culture destroyed, their children stolen, their families demolished.  We have had long arguments about the claims that they were all nomads, that they had settlements, that they farmed the land.  All to justify terra nullius, Graps.   It is boring.  Terra nullius was overturned by the High Court which exposed the lie it was.  Time to catch up old man.  It has been recognised that Australia was once owned by the Indigenous Australians who you sneer at and look down upon.   ::) ::)


Quote:
That's right, Brian - 'under the Native Title Act' they are NOT entitled to any land held by any other - including National Parks held in trust by the government for The People.  Not hard.  This vile reversal of 'the people as sovereign' must not be permitted to stand.


Still unable to accept that the world has moved on since those days, Graps.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)


Quote:
As for the ballot box - no this was not an election issue, same as all the other things that will come about with a change of government will not be an election issue - it was a decision made by faceless bureaucrats who have no direct responsibility to the very people they rort.  The fact that it was done under the orders of their political masters is irrelevant - those political masters have adroitly used a 'cut-out' so as to evade any responsibility.


*YAWN*


Quote:
They already have a Voice in Parliament - they get to vote same as everyone else eligible - do you have a problem with that?  Many aggrieved groups would like a Voice in Parliament... and most of those don't even have any lobbyists or anyone who even listens to them - the Silenced Majority.


*YAWN*


Quote:
Not even going to argue your nonsensical name-calling... we'll leave that to silly phil raised on the same water over there.   ;D


*YAWN*

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:14pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 9:12am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 12:45am:
Britain to hand over all Australia (Mt Warning too) back to the Aboriginals and leave it's shores.

The Whites left behind freak out because how dare they (dirty filthy convicts) 'serve' Blacks! Happy to grovel and serve the CCP Economy/Yellow people though.

Looks like Whites who respect Aboriginal/even African culture are turning out the richer and holidaying in Mauritius and Reunion. While the grovellers who serve Asia and the CCP Economy can only afford Bali with all the Housos and junkies. ;D

Culture innit? Some have missed the boat.


Don't see anyone leaving just yet...... this is my land, always was, always will be......

Politics can only 'own' Politics. The Land belongs to Farmers, H&G's (who turned this land into Parklands which explorers, etc - said was like walking through the best wealthy properties of Europe), Rangers and all other professions that are related to 'the Land'.

Or maybe you think Politics is a ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove?

Take British Royalty. Royalty and the position of a King & Queen - is an act of Master of Ceremony (hence the Court Jester mock) and would be more associated with something like Music and Entertainment.
Thus why Prince Charles is called The Meddler with his attempts to meddle in the Politics of Britain when the Royalty is NOT allowed to involve themselves in Politics. Probably why Charles might be 'skipped' as the future King.
But the hypocrisy with this is that Royals are allowed to be involved with Military actions and participation (probably why Andrew lost Koo Stark because of the Falklands War). Kings shouldn't be heads of Military - only 'Emperors' are.

Leave the Land  to the professionals, not the Politicians (or Royalty). This is also proven by the Crown receeding and returning 'Land' back to the Aboriginals over the past many decades. Hell, Whites (Political) are even failing in regards to 'cities' to the Yellows... like Sydney (Shang-Hai).

Politics can work 'with' the Land, but it can never 'own' the Land. It can only 'own' Politics... hence why you probably don't like Abos coming into Politics and taking their slice of the action for the Land stolen.
Do you see the head of the Navy 'owning' the Air Force? No.

You can't have 'everything' Grapps unless you're the ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove rushing from nought to nothing at the end in an effort to be everywhere at once.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 4th, 2021 at 5:38pm

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.


How is it relevant John? It seems you are the only one who knows, yet by some mystery you cannot say either.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?



I'm not here to teach you basics FD.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Mjölnir on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:01pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
I really don't like the name of this mountain.



It' only because it stuck out like dog's balls from a ship at sea...

Downe On Ye Olde Quarter Decke:-

"Jesus Christ, Mr Christian!  There's a farken great mountain dead ahead!"

"Hard a-starboard!!!!"

"Phew - that was a close one - best we should be grateful for that mount warning us..."

"Say - that's a great name - looks dangerous, too - Mt Warning it is!"...


It is because it sticks out but more the point is it's a warning the start of the GBReef is coming up. Not good for ships, especially when it was named.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:12pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.


How is it relevant John? It seems you are the only one who knows, yet by some mystery you cannot say either.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?



I'm not here to teach you basics FD.


You are dribbling incoherently John. No-one else here thinks your question has any relevance. Only you, and you cannot say why.


Quote:
it's a warning the start of the GBReef is coming up


It's a bit early for that. Or late.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:13pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.


How is it relevant John? It seems you are the only one who knows, yet by some mystery you cannot say either.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?



I'm not here to teach you basics FD.


You are dribbling incoherently John. No-one else here thinks your question has any relevance. Only you, and you cannot say why.

Maybe he's part of the Azzuri Soccer team - careful, he'll take a dive to get you red-carded.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Pedro Curevo on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:16am
While some years back from walking to the top Wollumbin there is a steep section to the summit that requires holding onto chains.

Can say the full moon rise is better than the sunrise.

Can also say there a better lookouts such as Wrights Lookout in the New England National Park.

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/wrights-lookout-walking-track#:~:text=The%20walk%20to%20Wrights%20lookout%20takes%20you%20from,down%20to%20Bellinger%20River%20in%20the%20valley%20below.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 5:09am
I must be a racist - I've only climbed 6700m in the Himalayas and around New Zealand's mounts.
Australian 'hills' don't seem to catch my attention much, even Koszie - though I have 'strolled' up it. Australia really is a 'Flat Earth' nation.

I support an Aboriginal 'Lock Down' of Mt Warning.
But they must prove themselves to improve the site like the old days to show stupid Whities how much more superior they are to bringing out the best in nature.

The World has changed Pedro. Traditions must be kept (by the Men?), but there must be a modernisation (by the women?) to the cultural efforts - like 'landscaping' both for visual splendor and food.

Only when Mt Warning is back looking like pre-1788 management along with all the modern bells and whistles of WH&S, etc. Will Whities see, learn, respect and most of all 'support'.

The ball is in their court.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:32pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Is this just you dribbling incoherently? Or is there some reason why you think it is relevant?



it's that you don't think it's relevant that is the real problem. Blinded by your stupidity.


How is it relevant John? It seems you are the only one who knows, yet by some mystery you cannot say either.


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?



I'm not here to teach you basics FD.


You are dribbling incoherently John. No-one else here thinks your question has any relevance. Only you, and you cannot say why.

Maybe he's part of the Azzuri Soccer team - careful, he'll take a dive to get you red-carded.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC-H2wXK4T4

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:35pm
"But they must prove themselves to improve the site like the old days to show stupid Whities how much more superior they are to bringing out the best in nature."


;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:53pm
Those clips are always funny.
I love watching the Socceroos playing the Azurri.
Australia's very physical style against the fragile eggshell Italian style. I dare Italy come down to the Southern Hemisphere and play the rougher version.

*Smith is rolling around on the ground right now holding his face after seeing FD take the field. Smith is looking to Big Brother Media to award a penalty.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 5th, 2021 at 5:46pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Those clips are always funny.
I love watching the Socceroos playing the Azurri.
Australia's very physical style against the fragile eggshell Italian style. I dare Italy come down to the Southern Hemisphere and play the rougher version.

*Smith is rolling around on the ground right now holding his face after seeing FD take the field. Smith is looking to Big Brother Media to award a penalty.



Amazing Academy Award those dives.. I saw a really good one - bloke was at least two metres from the opposing player who looked like getting away, fell on the ground and rolled around in agony.. copped a penalty..

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 5th, 2021 at 5:48pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 1:53pm:
Those clips are always funny.
I love watching the Socceroos playing the Azurri.
Australia's very physical style against the fragile eggshell Italian style. I dare Italy come down to the Southern Hemisphere and play the rougher version.

*Smith is rolling around on the ground right now holding his face after seeing FD take the field. Smith is looking to Big Brother Media to award a penalty.


If we ever accord 'citizenship and land ownership' rights on a first come - first served basis - Smith will be in the second lowest category of citizen... he just doesn't realise it...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:12pm:
You are dribbling incoherently John. No-one else here thinks your question has any relevance. Only you, and you cannot say why.
.


Good of you to speak on behalf of everyone else FD  ;D ;D ;D the argument that people use when they have nothing else

how many members did you poll exactly? ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 5th, 2021 at 9:23pm
All of them.

Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Quote:
So if I want to pitch a tent in your back yard and invite some friends, you're OK with not being allowed to say yes I can or no I can't?


If you do think it has some relevance John, now would be the time to speak up. In case people get the wrong idea.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by JaSin. on Mar 5th, 2021 at 9:39pm
Smith is like a packet of crisp chips. More air in the packet than contents.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:10pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D


Will you chalk this up as a win John?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:22pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D


Will you chalk this up as a win John?



I'm chalking it up as you being caught out lying again FD. Not surprising really since it seems to be your fallback position.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:36pm
Well - National Parks are my backyard and everyone else's - even Aborigines - held in trust for us by our government and its appointed bodies...

"that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organising its Powere in such Form, as to them seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

We are speaking here NOT of party in government - but of an entire form of government... and in closing Mt Warning and Ayers Rock, government is clearly upholding only one of those pillars - life - while removing liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Even securing 'life' is problematic given that the death rate of those who climb these national icons is massively lower than the general rate in the community - I said RATE - not just numbers... more people die annually crossing the roads than die on Ayers Rock, Mt Warning and the Glasshouses - so one might big lie is being sold as truth here.... and government HAS become destructive of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by closing down national icons.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:37pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D


Will you chalk this up as a win John?



I'm chalking it up as you being caught out lying again FD. Not surprising really since it seems to be your fallback position.


We all think your comparing National Parks to someone's backyard is ridiculous..... National Parks belong to everyone..... not just a few layabouts ...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.


You noticed that not a single person has backed your argument up either ?... even though you've put out a call several times now. ...  ;D ;D ;D


Are you related to bobby?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D


Will you chalk this up as a win John?



I'm chalking it up as you being caught out lying again FD. Not surprising really since it seems to be your fallback position.


We all think your comparing National Parks to someone's backyard is ridiculous..... National Parks belong to everyone..... not just a few layabouts ...


you keep telling yourself that ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Frank on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.

John Smith's posts are incredibly stupid. He is incredibly stupid.

Anyone stupid enough to defend stupid John?  ::) ::)

(Bbwian, I know you are stupid enough and you want to but don't feel obliged to answer before FD answers your question. tsk, tsk   ::) ::))




Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by rhino on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:37pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.


You noticed that not a single person has backed your argument up either ?... even though you've put out a call several times now. ...  ;D ;D ;D


Are you related to bobby?

A casual observer would notice that his call out was for people who do not think you are an idiot. And you are quite right, not a single person has responded.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:40pm
ohh look, sore end has been allowed out to play ... i hope you put swimmer nappies on before jumping in the big boys pool

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by John Smith on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:41pm

rhino wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.


You noticed that not a single person has backed your argument up either ?... even though you've put out a call several times now. ...  ;D ;D ;D


Are you related to bobby?

A casual observer would notice that his call out was for people who do not think you are an idiot. And you are quite right, not a single person has responded.



everyone ignores FD ...no matter what he calls out. How is that news?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:19pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.


You noticed that not a single person has backed your argument up either ?... even though you've put out a call several times now. ...  ;D ;D ;D


Are you related to bobby?


Every single person, and there are many of them, who has commented, has backed me up. The things you post are incredibly stupid. You cannot even explain why they are relevant. Not a single person here understands why you post them. You claim to know, but that is just another incredibly stupid thing you post.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Frank on Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:21pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
ohh look, sore end has been allowed out to play ... i hope you put swimmer nappies on before jumping in the big boys pool

You are the 'big boys', weedy little calabrian concreter???

;D ;D


You are a disgrace to the generation of honourable Italians. You are like Bbwian.

Cheer up, ya miserable old prick.

https://youtu.be/sFacWGBJ_cs

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

Quote:
Is there anyone here who does not think John's question is, like most of his posts, incredibly stupid?


Don't all speak at once now.



gee ... FD's been caught with his pants around his ankles again  ;D ;D ;D


Will you chalk this up as a win John?



I'm chalking it up as you being caught out lying again FD. Not surprising really since it seems to be your fallback position.


We all think your comparing National Parks to someone's backyard is ridiculous..... National Parks belong to everyone..... not just a few layabouts ...


you keep telling yourself that ::)



Look - Guisepp - we are discussing Australian National Parks here.... not your Italian style National Socialist Parks - though the comparison with National Socialist Parks and Wildlife is inescapable...  little dictators in brown shirts who dictate to the masses what they can and can't do...

National Parks are NATIONAL - what part of national do you not understand?  They are not free range zones for lost and bewildered and mixed blood Kaffirs who have never even walked them and who claim some ties to the local area when they are a mixed lot from all over including every European country...... and a few others... I knew a Kaffir once who the local Koons said, without a shadow of doubt, wasn't 'one of them' but was a descendant of some Afghan camel driver...

How many of the local Kaffir up Mt Warning way are actually from the original tribal groups that lived NEAR Mt Warning?  Is there a DNA test to certify that what they claim is a 'sacred site' is actually anything of meaning to their real ancestors?

You know - sample 'em all - these 'activists', and test them against remains buried in the area - discreetly, of course... see how many of them actually 'belong to the lend'....

If so - WHY is it not of some meaning to the New Owners who carefully reserved it so that it was not knocked down for a Barilaro development?

Our Koons are mixed up to buggary and back... hardly a one local is of the original tribal groups.

You city folk know buggar all about Koons... up there on the GC you've probably never even met one...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:53pm

Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
ohh look, sore end has been allowed out to play ... i hope you put swimmer nappies on before jumping in the big boys pool

You are the 'big boys', weedy little calabrian concreter???

;D ;D


You are a disgrace to the generation of honourable Italians. You are like Bbwian.

Cheer up, ya miserable old prick.

https://youtu.be/sFacWGBJ_cs


Couldn't possibly be worse than that dope Barilaro, NSW Deputy Permier (FFS), with his WOG rantings about 'development being more important than koala habitats' - farken WOPs... dumb as dog guano..

They should stick to growing grapes and olives.... more up their alley...  Jesus - the Malts are much smarter...

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2021 at 8:10am
Four interesting things from the article:

1) The ABC refuses to describe Aboriginal beliefs as religion. Is that because they consider aboriginal beliefs inferior to other religions, or because they do not want to suggest the government is abandoning the separation of church and state?

2) As with Ayer's rock, aboriginal "custom" or "culture" or "lore" does not forbid everyone from climbing. But it does forbid women from climbing.

3) It is unclear whether people are banned from climbing at the moment, or whether the chain have been restored. This is a failure to report basic facts.

4) They are already talking about aborigines making money out it.

Wollumbin National Park summit, also known as Mount Warning, could be closed permanently

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728?fbclid=IwAR3dGeixJ_syZkildFMYjN6kmwXp6BVDROpofpArclLP8y-2EsVPGDw2yrI

There are plans to permanently close a national park with a summit famous for being the first spot on the Australian mainland to see the sun each day.

Wollumbin National Park on the New South Wales far north coast attracts more than 100,000 visitors a year and its summit is considered a sacred Aboriginal place.

Documents obtained under Freedom of Information by the Right To Climb website show the National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) is working on a Wollumbin closure strategy.

Right To Climb spokesman Marc Hendrickx said he applied to see the documents when he discovered chains leading to the Mount Warning summit had been removed.

He said the heavily censored documents included plans for a final closure event in November 2022.

"I think that document was supposed to be redacted in its entirety, and there's one page that they've left open for whatever reason," Mr Hendrickx said.

"Maybe it was supposed to be revealed, but in there, that's where this event is listed, this final Wollumbin closure event.

"I couldn't believe the level and the scale of the secrecy surrounding this decision, which should be made collectively by all people involved.

"Running a state park in Australia has suddenly become tantamount to running some sort of secret military organisation."

Closure plan

Those documents not redacted included a Wollumbin National Park closure communications and engagement plan.

It outlined some of the factors being considered:

"The closure of Wollumbin National Park to visitors (due to COVID-19 restrictions) needs to be extended due to visitor safety concerns after recent engineer's assessment of critical infrastructure.

"An extended interim closure would allow NPWS time to consult with the Aboriginal community and key visitor economy stakeholders to deliver alternative experiences and plan a permanent closure due to ongoing safety risks and visitor impacts on Aboriginal cultural values."

The strategy described the Wollumbin summit as a sacred place of the highest significance to Bundjalung people and other Aboriginal nations.

It noted the site was declared an Aboriginal place in 2014 to protect those values.

"NPWS has consulted with the Aboriginal community about cultural matters and management of the park through the Wollumbin Consultative Group since November 2000.

"In November 2018, the group restated a long-held Aboriginal community aspiration for a strategic long-term program to close public access to Wollumbin."

The 8.8-kilometre hike to the summit is particularly popular at sunrise, meaning many people may miss the sign from local custodians asking visitors to reconsider their climb out of respect for its spiritual significance.

In 2019, a spokesperson for the Wollumbin Consultative Group told the ABC the mountain was considered a sacred place of lore to the local Bundjalung people.

"Only selected men could go onto the mountain for higher level initiation. It is a dangerous spiritual place for women."

The NPWS plan noted:

"Current generations of Aboriginal elders and community representatives see it as their responsibility to ensure sacred sites are protected and the traditional lore and associated cultural protocols are upheld by all people.

"Desecration, litter and toileting, particularly around the summit, is causing unacceptable physical and cultural impacts and damage."

Tourism impact

Tweed Shire Mayor Chris Cherry said the district's tourism industry would suffer if the national park was closed before alternative plans were in place.

Cr Cherry said the summit climb typically attracted more than 100,000 visitors a year.

"It gets them out into our hinterland and away from those heavily touristed areas and that is why it is important," she said.

"If we had an alternate kind of offering, like the guided tours around Uluru to talk about the cultural value, I think there's certainly a market and interest in people to know about the cultural value of the site.

"I would be hoping the state government would work with us to come up with an alternate tourist offering.

"There are other places within the shire that can have a fantastic view of the first sun in Australia, such as The Pinnacle Lookout, where you can look out across the whole caldera."

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2021 at 8:10am
The NPWS said it would provide further information regarding the future of the summit track by May this year.

It said a structural assessment by an independent engineer conducted last August strongly recommended the closure of the 100-metre chain section used by climbers approaching the summit.

The ABC has approached the Tweed-Byron Local Aboriginal Land Council for comment.

EDITOR'S NOTE: 16 April 2021: The headline on this article was amended to recognise that the mountain has dual names according to information from the NSW Geographical Names Board.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on May 1st, 2021 at 8:38am
The Nitwits, Pricks, Wankers and Stupid NPWS love to lock up everything and anything.

Perhaps they need to be educated that it isnt their land and that they are only there to look after it.

Which they have absolutely no idea how to do.

Everything they get involved with is a stuff up of monumental proportions, from the destruction of Fairy Pengune colonies to the total eradication of microbats.

Sack they all and start again with people with some idea.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2021 at 9:08am
It seems they have already decided the outcome and are just going through the motions of "community consultation".

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/walking-tracks/wollumbin-mount-warning-summit-track/local-alerts

Applies from Mon 30 Mar 2020, 12.35pm to Fri 28 May 2021, 8.00am. Last reviewed: Thu 18 Feb 2021, 12.43pm.

Closed parks: Wollumbin National Park
Wollumbin National Park is closed due to significant safety issues on the Wollumbin Summit track. The closure will be reviewed in May 2021.

Penalties apply for non-compliance. For more information contact 1300 072 757 (13000 PARKS).

https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/parks-reserves-and-protected-areas/park-management/community-engagement/walking-tracks-and-trails-in-national-parks/tweed-byron-hinterland-trails/wollumbin-summit-track-extended-closure

Wollumbin Summit track extended closure
Extension of Summit track closure.

Wollumbin National Park, formerly known as Mount Warning National Park, is closed due to significant safety issues on the Wollumbin Summit track.

The park has been closed since March 2020 to comply with COVID-19 rules on public gatherings and physical distancing, particularly related to use of the chain near the summit of the climb.

During this closure, an independent engineer's structural assessment strongly recommended the closure of the 100-metre chain section used by climbers to access the summit.

This assessment noted the existing posts in the chain section was reaching the end of their design life, increasing the risk of further accidents or fatalities.

The independent engineer's assessment led to the conclusion that catastrophic failure of this chain section was very high.

Safety is a priority for the National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS), and as such the summit track closure has been extended.

We understand that locals and visitors may be disappointed by the extended closure; however, our main priority must always be to ensure the safety of visitors and staff.

We will now consider the Summit track's future, in consultation with key community and tourism stakeholders including Aboriginal Elders and knowledge holders.

Next steps
We will develop a Wollumbin master plan to engage the community and stakeholders in the future management of the park, in line with the recommendations of the Aboriginal community.

This will provide opportunities for alternate visitor experiences that celebrate the park's natural and cultural values while also supporting the visitor economy.

The master plan will also consider the potential longer-term closure of Wollumbin summit.

Community members with an interest in the management of this area will be invited to provide input through this process.

To be notified about future consultation opportunities, please register your interest using the online form below.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 9:22am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 26th, 2021 at 10:26am:
What a bloody joke.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/wollumbin-national-park-mount-warning-closure-could-be-permanent/13167728



Which part? he closure of Wollumbin National Park to visitors (due to COVID-19 restrictions) needs to be extended due to visitor safety concerns after recent engineer's assessment of critical infrastructure.'
'
'
In other words its unsafe.


That's just the excuse they are using to accede to an Aboriginal group to close it because it's another "sacred site".

Fine close it to climbing .....& if it's unsafe that means to everybody..... even Aboriginals.

They don't get to lock it up just for their use.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 9:44am

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:25am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:23am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 11:06am:
What other religion gets the government to impose their views on what is sacred on everyone else?



Gay marriage, divorce and abortion are just three issues that come to mind as imposed by religions onto governments all around the world ... sure, it's changing but it's still influences governments in many countries


And do you support this sort of thing?

Or only when black people do it?

Also, do you think it is possible for people who are not religious to oppose gay marriage or abortion? Do you think valuing human life is an exclusively religious view?


I don't support it when it imposes religious belief on my private life. My private life does not include access to national parks or rocks.

As for the second question it's irrelevant to the topic.. You asked a question, I answered. Don't go off on tangents.


You got any idea as to why they are called "national" parks?  ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Valkie on May 1st, 2021 at 9:45am
So, where does it all end.

Do we have a future where we all can only go on designated roads and just "look" at the pretty bush?

Will we be permanently banned from travelling in our own country?

In Finland, people can walk on any property, even privately owned, as long as they do no damage or take anything.

It works perfectly, people wander the countryside and camp responsibly virtually anywhere.

In Australia, its almost impossible to go away for a weekend camping within a few hundred kilometres of Sydney unless you use paid camping grounds in grungy camping areas.

The NPWS and the white abbos are making problems for themselves.

Sooner or later it will come to a head and it will all blow up.

National parks are not maintained, walking tracks are closed, even what camping grounds there are are poorly cared for and expensive.

This is my country, I was born here, as were my parents and parents parents.
If I cannot call this country mine, then why should I bother worrying about some primitives.
Why should I bother about how the country is run.

Its a terminal problem and one which creates animosity between cultures.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 9:52am

Jasin wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 3:29pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:50am:
I'm going to revise up my climb fee for Mt Warning to $30 a pop and $200 for Ayers Rock.

Full employment for local abos to send their kids to good schools, unis, start businesses etc.

Many mountains around the world are both sacred by indigenous populations and climbed.


We already pay a shite load of money to these parasites.

$32,000,000,000,.00 for no reason other than to help them "catch up".

Then there is the dole, abbo study, "special benifits" abbo only hospitals, free education and we also pay for all their beer drinking gatherings, sports, NADOC week and a plethora of other buildings and grants.

I vote, stop all the handouts and let them have Ayres rock and Mt Warning.
They can have all their little secret gatherings there, if they want, but they will have to get there on their own.
No freebies transport and busses.

It's time they stopped being parasites and started contributing
It has been 200 years since they were rescued.

If they cannot stop with this self hatred and parasitical behaviour
Perhaps best to simply let them die out .


It also helps Whitey 'catch up' to Aboriginal and learn about Land Management and Wild Fire Prevention.


::) pre- colonisation maybe 480,000 people sparsely spread out on the entire continent......

And they stopped all wild fires?

How did they do that again?

Their land management was lighting fires.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 10:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:11am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 6:13pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 10:54am:
Indigenous Australians have made it clear that they believe in Mount Warning as a Sacred Site and that only selected men are allowed to go there.


My wife was given permission to climb it as were I and my sons by a Bundjalung elder.


We only have your word for that, Set.  Care to present some proof?   ::)


Next time I'll get them to sign a contract. I have eye witnesses but since they are my family I'm guessing you will discount it. Even if I had a signed contract and posted it here you would call bullshit because it doesn't go with your agenda. I doubt any aboriginals here follow the "old religion" or even know what it was anymore and still do ceremonies there. I also posted here that we had an invitation to climb it well before all this crap started.


So, no proof then?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  We have your word for it.  Who is to say your word is reliable?  Anyone?  No, I won't accept your family members' word for it.  They are, afterall, your family, now aren't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


You expect others here to take your word for the drivel you post ... yes? ::)

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by aquascoot on May 1st, 2021 at 10:32am
seriously, who is going to stop you climbing it.

i doubt there is anyone there with a checkpoint and even if they were a 100 m diversion thru the bush would see you bypass the obstacle

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 10:39am

Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 6:06am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:55pm:
Aboriginal: "this is black man's land!"

JaSin: "no it isn't. Africa is. Hence why they kick out white people or kill them."

Aboriginal: *crickets chirping


And kicking the whites out of Africa was such a good idea wasnt it?

Let me see.......

Since they kicked out the whites ;
poverty has increased
Food shortages are worse
unemployment is worse
the country is dying because darkies are all lazy and incapable of making anything work
Farms that were stolen from whites remain fallow.

The country has begged whites to come back.

Its better to wait a few more years when they all return to the trees and this time dont try to get the monkeys to help thmeselves.


What that has done has caused the increase of people relying on eating exotic animals/bush meat

putting more pressure on endangered species that are also exploited for the Chinese Medicine trade

and the biggest cruncher .........

the increased outbreaks of EBOLA virus.

See a connection here? -

Bush Meat Markets in Africa

Wet Markets in China.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 10:43am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:21pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......


You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after 167 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


And how much consultation do you think you'd receive if the powers that be wanted to resume your land for a new road or highway?

You'd just receive a letter of notice .... & no matter how much you kicked screamed it would still happen.

So how's that line of native title/ownership go now?

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 10:45am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 5:21pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 1:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 8:17pm:
Graps, look up the idea of Native Title and get back to us, OK?  ::) ::)


Always was and always will be lack of total right to ownership when that ownership is shared already... as in national park property of the nation and not some small group??

How can native title supercede the ownership of national parks etc by the Crown on behalf of the total populace of the people?

This is OUR land - always was - always will be....

Perhaps you could tell us.......


You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after 167 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


And idiots like you are still treating them like children.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 10:49am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:30am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 10:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 12:06am:
Let me reiterate what I said earlier, Graps:

You appear to believe it isn't also THEIR land, Graps.  They have just as much right as you and all other Australians to be consulted about it's use.  Tsk, tsk, you are thinking like a Racist there, old man.  Time to get over it.  Indigenous Australians are citizens and have been for over 50 years now, after nearly 200 years of being treated like children in their own land.  ::) ::)


Sadly for your non-argument, Brian - NO - in the modern age it is not 'their land' - it belongs to all Australians on that basis....


Whose land was it before the White Fellas landed in 1788, Graps?  The Indigenous Australians'.  To face up to history and your attempt to continue the idea of it being Terra Nullius.  That was disproved by the High Court.


Quote:
Have you signed your home etc over to them yet over there?  Do you intend to?


Immaterial.  They aren't asking for it and under the Native Title act they aren't entitled to it, Graps.  Stop throwing non sequiturs it just demonstrates how desperate you are to prove your racism.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

[quote]
It is you who are being racist and divisive.  Nobody else has been consulted about these issues - all that ever happens to permit any other views to be put forward is that a private group may form to oppose a venture such as closing off a swathe of land... but they are blatantly ignored.


If you believe that is true, take it to the High Court, Graps.  Do you believe that is true?  All Australians have been consulted - through the Governmentary processes.  Your just upset because you've only just learnt about it.  ::)


Quote:
If the issues of closures etc were put to the people via plebiscite, as I suggested, you might have a point, but you do not.  Like discussing any issues surrounding certain groups - and we all know who those Fifth Columnists are by now - all discussion is restricted to 'their' side - and anyone else with a view is labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, Musso-hater and any number of things so as to silence any views that might oppose the plan under way to rape the rights of the general community to suit a whining minority.


Mock outrage.  Tsk, tsk.  You need to take the matter to the High Court, if you are genuinely upset about your supposed "non-consultation".  ::)


Quote:
Saying 'they have as much right to a say as anyone else' is specious - they have the same right of say as everyone else via the ballot box and representation to those in control - except that those in control simply ignore any other views.... so they actually have the ONLY say.

That's how it works in a socio-fascist dictatorship, son - guess you missed it... the power of the province government stops at the village gates.....


How do you know they and the majority of Australians haven't already decided - via the ballot box - their decision, Graps?  You do understand how the concept of democracy is supposed to work in Australia, don't you?   ::) ::)[/quote]

I'm 4 th generation Australian......

I'm Indigenous to this country.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 11:00am

John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 8:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 6:30pm:
John cannot explain why it is even relevant, thinks this is someone else's fault, yet not a single person is willing to stand up and say his posts are not incredibly stupid. But still he thinks he has won.


You noticed that not a single person has backed your argument up either ?... even though you've put out a call several times now. ...  ;D ;D ;D


Are you related to bobby?


Incorrect Grappler just did, up to now I just couldn't be bothered answering FD's call because I have some disagreement with his opinions on other subjects ....

but I too believe your comments about "your backyard" are completely irrelevant to the discussion of locking up National Parks for the benefit of a very few.


Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by freediver on May 1st, 2021 at 11:08am

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 10:32am:
seriously, who is going to stop you climbing it.

i doubt there is anyone there with a checkpoint and even if they were a 100 m diversion thru the bush would see you bypass the obstacle


30 penalty units. Not sure what that means in $$$.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gordon on May 1st, 2021 at 11:16am
The only answer is to have dual policy where each race can follow the rules of their religion.  Abos can use the mountain how they wish, so can non Abos.

Here's one fact.  Mountains aren't sacred, they're geological formations.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 11:34am

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2021 at 10:32am:
seriously, who is going to stop you climbing it.

i doubt there is anyone there with a checkpoint and even if they were a 100 m diversion thru the bush would see you bypass the obstacle


Do you remember the Cape Melville incident in 1993?

Involved a dodgy Innisfail man named Paul Barbagallo & his brother David who was then private secretary to the Premier Wayne Goss.

The NPWS ranger Pat Shears lost his job for doing his job .... courtesy of David Barbagallos & others political interference.

After the Goss Govt lost the 1996 election Shears was allowed to be a ranger again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Melville_incident

It was a real scandalous affair right across the board.

My point being that Rangers can monitor even the most remote places.

Title: Re: Mt Warning to be closed
Post by Gnads on May 1st, 2021 at 11:35am
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