There you have it. Australia is not a culturally diverse country.

That rank is near the bottom which is North Korea 159.

China, Egypt, and Libya are just ahead of Australia.

UK 108, New Zealand 101, USA 84, Malaysia 58, India 16, PNG 10, Tanzania 1.

There are only 20 countries below Australia in the ranking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

Y
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 13^th, 2021 at 10:11pm:

There you have it. Australia is not a culturally diverse country. That rank is near the bottom which is North Korea 159. China, Egypt, and Libya are just ahead of Australia. UK 108, New Zealand 101, USA 84, Malaysia 58, India 16, PNG 10, Tanzania 1. There are only 20 countries below Australia in the ranking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

Well, two word for you then - fcck off.

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2021 at 10:12pm:

Y Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 13th, 2021 at 10:11pm: There you have it. Australia is not a culturally diverse country. That rank is near the bottom which is North Korea 159. China, Egypt, and Libya are just ahead of Australia. UK 108, New Zealand 101, USA 84, Malaysia 58, India 16, PNG 10, Tanzania 1. There are only 20 countries below Australia in the ranking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level Well, two word for you then - fcck off.

Please ʞɔnɟun yourself before you harm yourself.

Not sure what to make of this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png/220px-List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level. List based on Fearon's analysis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level#/media/File:List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level,_List_based_on_Fearon's_analysis.png

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

Not sure what to make of this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png/220px-List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level. List based on Fearon's analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level#/media/File:List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level,_List_based_on_Fearon's_analysis.png

FleaDriver needs to find a ten-year-old child to explain it to him.

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

Not sure what to make of this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png/220px-List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level. List based on Fearon's analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level#/media/File:List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level,_List_based_on_Fearon's_analysis.png

Less blue = more shithole.

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 1:23pm: Not sure what to make of this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png/220px-List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level. List based on Fearon's analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level#/media/File:List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level,_List_based_on_Fearon's_analysis.png Less blue = more shithole.

Frank's shithole existence colors his view.

Monocultures are far superior.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 3:51pm:

Monocultures are far superior.

Of course they are, sprint. Cultural confidence is important - that's  why it is undermined at every turn.

The third worlders are not self-hating. Multiculti means self-hatingfor the host culture. Everyone else must be proud of theirs, only you must be ashamed of yours.

Fit in or fcck off is the only viable attitude.

So how is it that Japan got the same score as Australia?

Seems to me mighty strange given that you can play 'Spot The Aussie' in a major city anywhere and be hard pressed.... try catching the train from Central Sydney to Parramatta some time and spot the
Aussie if you can...

Who came up with this fantasy concept?  What criteria did they use?

Are the Traditional Australian Owners now over-run, like the Tasmanian Abos, with people saying they identify as Pure Native Australians from generations ago?

This would have to be the weirdest post I've seen in a long time - and that's saying something...

We've got Niqqers, Chinks, Spicks, Slopes, Slants, Kurries, Kokonuts, Dagoes, WOPs, WOGs, Wetbacks, Greasers, Lebs, Mad Mussos, skirt wearing Ay-rabs, Sane Mussos, Indios, Pakis, Yugos, Russkies, Polacks, Frogs, Eyeties, Grecos, Nips, those darned Belgians, Krauts, Norskers, and even the odd Anglo-Celtic White Man 'included' here - so WTF you talkin' about, Honkey?

We're the most multi-cultural nation on Earth.... but I don't like Korean Crab Hot Pot... Thai is better ...

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 8:47pm:

So how is it that Japan got the same score as Australia?

Language?

From your wiki link.


Quote:

In the Fearon list, ethnic fractionalization is approximated by a measure of similarity between languages, varying from 1 = the population speaks two or more unrelated languages to 0 = the entire population speaks the same language.[3] T

Ah - so if-a we no speak-a da lingo of-a da invading-a classes - we are not 'culturally diverse'?

So unless Aussie Jo and Joe learn fifty farken languages - we are at the bottom of the list?

Learn Some Farken English, You Arsehole!!  Then we can be as culturally diverse as you want....

Hang on - wasn't Greta something like 'perception diverse' or something?  It'll come to me - some sort of 'I'm not normal, but that's not a problem - I'm merely diverse?  Even though, in the wild, the wolves would have had me for breakfast years ago....'

Oh, don't worry. The govt of 2022 will open up the borders to all that want to come into Australia. We will have diversity coming out of our arseholes.

Setanta wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 9:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 8:47pm: So how is it that Japan got the same score as Australia? Language? From your wiki link. Quote: In the Fearon list, ethnic fractionalization is approximated by a measure of similarity between languages, varying from 1 = the population speaks two or more unrelated languages to 0 = the entire population speaks the same language.[3] T

Sounds like a poor measure of ethnic diversity. I expect it is a better measure measure of ethnic hostility.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 9:02pm: freediver wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 8:47pm: So how is it that Japan got the same score as Australia? Language? From your wiki link. Quote: In the Fearon list, ethnic fractionalization is approximated by a measure of similarity between languages, varying from 1 = the population speaks two or more unrelated languages to 0 = the entire population speaks the same language.[3] T Sounds like a poor measure of ethnic diversity. I expect it is a better measure measure of ethnic hostility.

Ridiculous - unless you have language homogeneity, you are 'low on cultural diversity'?

How do the Eskimos feel about that?  So we of Oz with many lingos are not culturally diverse by that standard?

What WERE they smoking? I think the Hyena Chode has it backwards as usual... he's an eddicated man, you know, and adept at plumbing the depths for oddball interpretations of social science ....

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2021 at 10:12pm:

Y Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 13th, 2021 at 10:11pm: There you have it. Australia is not a culturally diverse country. That rank is near the bottom which is North Korea 159. China, Egypt, and Libya are just ahead of Australia. UK 108, New Zealand 101, USA 84, Malaysia 58, India 16, PNG 10, Tanzania 1. There are only 20 countries below Australia in the ranking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level Well, two word for you then - fcck off.

We grew here, dear boy. You flew here.

If anyone's going to do any fucking, it is we.

Now, it's been a long day. Time for beddie byes, no?

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 8:36pm:

Fit in or fcck off is the only viable attitude.

Come come, we take in all types. Look at Sprint: he flew here, yet he's able to read your broken English and respond in kind, with a nice, freshly-laid turd for you to devour.

I was here first, Sprint. You can wait your turn. 

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 15^th, 2021 at 6:30am:

Oh, don't worry. The govt of 2022 will open up the borders to all that want to come into Australia. We will have diversity coming out of our arseholes.

Not if they all speaka-da-English, dear.

Alternatively, we could learn a local language. Dharug, in my jolly case.

Perhsps Sprint could share some Maori with us if he's up for it.

I hope we can reach 200.

Surely, we can reach 150?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I hope we can reach 200. Surely, we can reach 150?

Grappler and the Gordonites have your back.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2021 at 2:34pm:

I hope we can reach 200. Surely, we can reach 150?

Not if you teach us some of your proud New Zealand culture, Sprint.

You could always try moving to North Korea. How would they take the haka?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 28^th, 2021 at 2:35pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28th, 2021 at 2:34pm: I hope we can reach 200. Surely, we can reach 150? Grappler and the Gordonites have your back.

They both flew here too.

Rich fabric, innit.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 3:51pm:

Monocultures are far superior.

Japan was a monoculture in 1941... How did that work out for them?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 12:42am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 3:51pm: Monocultures are far superior. Japan was a monoculture in 1941... How did that work out for them?

It still is really, the culture may have changed a bit but it's not multicultural. How's it working out for China? How's it working out for western nations? Which are more divided?

Setanta wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 12:59am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:42am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 3:51pm: Monocultures are far superior. Japan was a monoculture in 1941... How did that work out for them? It still is really, the culture may have changed a bit but it's not multicultural. How's it working out for China? How's it working out for western nations? Which are more divided?

So monoculture is not necessarily a certain determinant of success.

China is trying to drive its population towards a monoculture and will soon be doomed to retreat from that goal as Germany once had to.

If you are growing crops
You want a bit of crop rotation
You might plant corn and then a legume
Because different crops provide different benefits

But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops
Also known as weeds
To just spring up wherever they like

As the ruler of the land
You go and assess a plant
And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm
It is welcome to stay and reproduce

But if it is just a taker  plant
A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm
Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher

You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce
Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

Not sure what to make of this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png/220px-List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level%2C_List_based_on_Fearon%27s_analysis.png List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level. List based on Fearon's analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level#/media/File:List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level,_List_based_on_Fearon's_analysis.png

These Polls and Rankings are formulated in the same way as "Most liveable City" etc? Because if they are - then it's just MOST MONEY PAID. Remember Sydney being like #2 on World Ranking for most Liveable City - when everyone in Australia knew it's only a city to 'work' like a criminal, as 'living' standards were the worst for anything in Australia to compare with for starters.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 1:13am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:59am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 12:42am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 3:51pm: Monocultures are far superior. Japan was a monoculture in 1941... How did that work out for them? It still is really, the culture may have changed a bit but it's not multicultural. How's it working out for China? How's it working out for western nations? Which are more divided? So monoculture is not necessarily a certain determinant of success. China is trying to drive its population towards a monoculture and will soon be doomed to retreat from that goal as Germany once had to.

Totally agree with North here.

Even the Han Race, though plentiful - is genetically 'thin' in substance and variety compared to other peoples and nations now. Like butter spread too thinly across a large piece of toast. A race of 'replicants' - where if you shoot one, another 10 drop down dead as well.

Breaking the 'mindframe' of the CCP won't be hard. It's just set on one agenda only - MASS PRODUCTION. Something that doesn't matter to Australia's future where the "Nips are bigger", not numerous.  ;) Just ask Greedy Smith.

The Australian closet-pom culture is struggling with the concept of cultural diversity.

In fact, the UK is a prime example of the benefits of cultural diversity because it would never have risen to the pinnacle of a world power prior to the 1900s without the flow of other nationalities into the country.

The problem with cultural diversity concepts of Australians is that they still fear being labeled the white trash of Asia.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 6:26am:

If you are growing crops You want a bit of crop rotation You might plant corn and then a legume Because different crops provide different benefits But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops Also known as weeds To just spring up wherever they like As the ruler of the land You go and assess a plant And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm It is welcome to stay and reproduce But if it is just a taker  plant A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm

Ahh... Chauncey Gardner?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 9:37am:

The Australian closet-pom culture is struggling with the concept of cultural diversity. In fact, the UK is a prime example of the benefits of cultural diversity because it would never have risen to the pinnacle of a world power prior to the 1900s without the flow of other nationalities into the country. The problem with cultural diversity concepts of Australians is that they still fear being labeled the white trash of Asia.

With a Melbournian Greek population larger than Athens... A vibrant Italian-Australian culture... A fast-growing Indian-Australian culture, likewise African-Australian culture...

And let's not forget first-nations cultures... Yes... They're not all the same cultures any more than, say, Irish and Albanian cultures are the same...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:26am: If you are growing crops You want a bit of crop rotation You might plant corn and then a legume Because different crops provide different benefits But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops Also known as weeds To just spring up wherever they like As the ruler of the land You go and assess a plant And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm It is welcome to stay and reproduce But if it is just a taker  plant A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm Ahh... Chauncey Gardner?

there is wisdom in being a farmer.

what you learn is humility and just how delicate and complex systems are.

the well-meaning leftie thinks you can usher in massive social change like whitlam did with single mothers pensions or native title or multi culturalism or renewable energy or whatever and that you can predict the consequences.

the farmer knows that these pseudo-intellectuals know nothing and that the likelihood they will get it right , first time, is zero.

multi culturalism has been a bit of a flop.

merkel, macron, even blair all said it.
sweden has walked it back.

successful socieites are cohesive....japan, south korea and china being prime examples.

you cant govern a city like sydeny without it ending up in suburbs with distinct racial identities.

how could you govern china with 1.4 billion people without a centralised system that said you will adhere to a set of behaviours which are "chinese".

you couldnt

the USA with 1/4 the population of china is imploding under the effects of tribalism.
and technology will only make this worse.

your a smart guy NoN.

you should listen to chauncey aquascoot

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 9:37am:

The Australian closet-pom culture is struggling with the concept of cultural diversity. In fact, the UK is a prime example of the benefits of cultural diversity because it would never have risen to the pinnacle of a world power prior to the 1900s without the flow of other nationalities into the country. The problem with cultural diversity concepts of Australians is that they still fear being labeled the white trash of Asia.

Productive, intelligent, working and assimilating diversity.

Not the welfare-seeking illiterate gimme hordes of Africa and Asia and latin America who tranform everything into the shithole they left because they have nothing else to contribute.

Take you, for example. Useless, throbbing, dark and... er... that's  it. How the hell did YOU end up in Australia? What lies did you tell? All in order to be in here, tearing down and undermining and despising. Fcck off doesn't even begin to describe the proper attitude towards shites like you.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:26am: If you are growing crops You want a bit of crop rotation You might plant corn and then a legume Because different crops provide different benefits But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops Also known as weeds To just spring up wherever they like As the ruler of the land You go and assess a plant And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm It is welcome to stay and reproduce But if it is just a taker  plant A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm Ahh... Chauncey Gardner?

Chauncey Gardner is my hero.
Never has a guy had it so good.

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 9:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:37am: The Australian closet-pom culture is struggling with the concept of cultural diversity. In fact, the UK is a prime example of the benefits of cultural diversity because it would never have risen to the pinnacle of a world power prior to the 1900s without the flow of other nationalities into the country. The problem with cultural diversity concepts of Australians is that they still fear being labeled the white trash of Asia. Productive, intelligent, working and assimilating diversity. Not the welfare-seeking illiterate gimme hordes of Africa and Asia and latin America who tranform everything into the shithole they left because they have nothing else to contribute. Take you, for example. Useless, throbbing, dark and... er... that's  it. How the hell did YOU end up in Australia? What lies did you tell? All in order to be in here, tearing down and undermining and despising. Fcck off didsnt even begin to describe the proper attityde towards shites like you.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 1:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 9:39am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 6:26am: If you are growing crops You want a bit of crop rotation You might plant corn and then a legume Because different crops provide different benefits But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops Also known as weeds To just spring up wherever they like As the ruler of the land You go and assess a plant And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm It is welcome to stay and reproduce But if it is just a taker  plant A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm Ahh... Chauncey Gardner? there is wisdom in being a farmer. what you learn is humility and just how delicate and complex systems are. the well-meaning leftie thinks you can usher in massive social change like whitlam did with single mothers pensions or native title or multi culturalism or renewable energy or whatever and that you can predict the consequences. the farmer knows that these pseudo-intellectuals know nothing and that the likelihood they will get it right , first time, is zero. multi culturalism has been a bit of a flop. merkel, macron, even blair all said it. sweden has walked it back. successful socieites are cohesive....japan, south korea and china being prime examples. you cant govern a city like sydeny without it ending up in suburbs with distinct racial identities. how could you govern china with 1.4 billion people without a centralised system that said you will adhere to a set of behaviours which are "chinese". you couldnt the USA with 1/4 the population of china is imploding under the effects of tribalism. and technology will only make this worse. your a smart guy NoN. you should listen to chauncey aquascoot

gardening/farming is probably the hardest industry/profession I know of.

If anyone is a good farmer, they are really good businessmen

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 1:59pm:

the well-meaning leftie thinks you can usher in massive social change like whitlam did with single mothers pensions or native title or multi culturalism

Well in Noel pearson's immortal eulogy to Gough Whitlam

[Referring to Whitlam] And years later we are like John Cleese, Eric Idle and Michael Palin's Jewish insurgents ranting against the despotic rule of Rome, defiantly demanding "and what did the Romans ever do for us anyway?"

Apart from Medibank
and the Trade Practices Act,
cutting tariff protections
and no-fault divorce in the Family Law Act,
the Australia Council,
the Federal Court,
the Order of Australia,
federal legal aid,
the Racial Discrimination Act,
needs-based schools funding,
the recognition of China,
the abolition of conscription,
the law reform commission,
student financial assistance,
the Heritage Commission,
non-discriminatory immigration rules,
community health clinics,
Aboriginal land rights,
paid maternity leave for public servants,
lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years
and fair electoral boundaries
and Senate representation for the territories.

Apart from all of this, what did this Roman ever do for us?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 6:26am:

If you are growing crops You want a bit of crop rotation You might plant corn and then a legume Because different crops provide different benefits But what you don't do is allow uninvited crops Also known as weeds To just spring up wherever they like As the ruler of the land You go and assess a plant And if it is adding to the overall wealth of the farm It is welcome to stay and reproduce But if it is just a taker  plant A plant which takes resources an add nothing to the overall profitability of the farm Then you stick a big dose of exterminant down it's throat or you run over it with the slasher You certainly do not let it stay and reproduce Not if you want an awesome rich productive successful farm

Do you have permaculture in your farm, dear?

That's where you mix everything in to create an ecosystem, the fruit trees fertilizing the ground crops and so on. No fake phosphates, no added chemicals. It all runs on balanced crop diversity. Prince Charles is a fan.

No socialist genetic engineering for him, he's a rugged conservative. A garden must be cultivated to look after itself.

You?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2021 at 10:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:59pm: the well-meaning leftie thinks you can usher in massive social change like whitlam did with single mothers pensions or native title or multi culturalism Well in Noel pearson's immortal eulogy to Gough Whitlam [Referring to Whitlam] And years later we are like John Cleese, Eric Idle and Michael Palin's Jewish insurgents ranting against the despotic rule of Rome, defiantly demanding "and what did the Romans ever do for us anyway?" Apart from Medibank and the Trade Practices Act, cutting tariff protections and no-fault divorce in the Family Law Act, the Australia Council, the Federal Court, the Order of Australia, federal legal aid, the Racial Discrimination Act, needs-based schools funding, the recognition of China, the abolition of conscription, the law reform commission, student financial assistance, the Heritage Commission, non-discriminatory immigration rules, community health clinics, Aboriginal land rights, paid maternity leave for public servants, lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years and fair electoral boundaries and Senate representation for the territories. Apart from all of this, what did this Roman ever do for us?

What Whitlam did was usher in much much much bigger government

He brought in the idea that a resilient and independent and cheerful and community-based people
Should bestow all their power and all the things that influence the trajectory of their life into an authority figure in a large bureaucratic nightmare called Canberra

And we have paid a terrible terrible price for abdicating that responsibility
Responsibility to stand on our own two feet

Now everyone from a first home buyer to an aged care resident
From an Aborigine to a small business owner
To a large corporation to someone doing a trade
To someone sick going to hospital to someone wanting to study at university

All must look towards this bureaucratic nightmare
And wine like a hungry toddler
And try and get some of the churn out of this all-consuming monstrosity

Whitlam and his ideology demolished Australia

We could have been a strong Noble independent anti fragile resilient forthright people

Instead we are a bunch of little crybabies
You never want government to do anything for you that you can do yourself
Because once you do that
You weaken yourself
You become more mediocre
You don't want to bounce out of bed in the morning ready to get on with an awesome life
You just want to lie there like a little puke
And get fat and lazy and entitled

Disgusting and disgraceful stuff

Imagine Australia Politics as a Collective of 'Families' that are all connected to other 'Families' and all these millions of Families are part of the over-all 'Empowerment' of Australian Politics - all part of the 'Re-PUBLIC'.
Unlike Northern Hemisphere Politics which is an empowerment of the Institution and the Individual at the top of the Pyramid. Australian Politics empowers the Family Men that make up the bottom of the Pyramid.
Hell, the Federal Power becomes just a minor power (via PM) representing all that is now Australia on the International arena and the Gov-General still stands equal but representing the Military more (the Troopers).

Australia's fracture from Federal, to State and then to Provincial and finally into many separate and INDEPENDENT nations that were once Provincials and before that States. Once one, then many. The Reverse of the USA where independent States rose to become One Nation (wonder where Pauline got her idea? ::)). Here it's more like Yugoslavia in the 'fracturing' of that Nation down into many.

If you think the Premiers came together as one while they locked and distanced themselves over Covid - then  you're right in a way. Despite their arguments and differences (yep - indie cultural growth for the States was immense) - they worked as one to do a far better job than the Federal/PM who let the 'international' threat to enter this country. Seems the Queen had a moment with the South Australian Premier today/yesterday, rather than the PM or Gov-Gen.
Just to see how the State is going... oh, and to accept another 'tribute' offering from an Artist.

I remember when going to Victoria was exciting as going to another country. They had VFL, Trams, Conductors and much more that other States had less of or none.
Then Pauline Hanson's 'One Nation' appeared to ride a mediocre unification of the States as they all became much like one another. Before you knew it, Australia was becoming a bland sameness. Why travel interstate when it's like still being in your own State. Sydney had Leagues Clubs and Pokies. Victorians made the Murray River shine to 'responsibly' gamble only as a 'holiday' - now with Packer's Evil Tower of Crown - Melbourne is littered with destituted gambling 'addicts'.

Now, thanks to the wonderfully global changing Corona Virus of DEATH. We are seeing a Renaissance of State Cultures where Victorians really are different, as are the WAckers over there in the west, etc.

The Corona has brought a Renaissance of Australian domestic State cultures. Even Cape York took advantage of the moment to distance themselves from being Queenslanders. Same with the Riverina.

I think we should arm all Borders with Checkpoints and shoot anyone who votes for 'One Nation' of Boredom.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 6:23am:

We could have been a strong Noble independent anti fragile resilient forthright people Instead we are a bunch of little crybabies

Hmmm... First person plural... A Freudian slip?

Are you channeling your inner Brando or did it just slip out?  'If it waddn't for Whitlam, I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it.'

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 6:23am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 10:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 1st, 2021 at 1:59pm: the well-meaning leftie thinks you can usher in massive social change like whitlam did with single mothers pensions or native title or multi culturalism Well in Noel pearson's immortal eulogy to Gough Whitlam [Referring to Whitlam] And years later we are like John Cleese, Eric Idle and Michael Palin's Jewish insurgents ranting against the despotic rule of Rome, defiantly demanding "and what did the Romans ever do for us anyway?" Apart from Medibank and the Trade Practices Act, cutting tariff protections and no-fault divorce in the Family Law Act, the Australia Council, the Federal Court, the Order of Australia, federal legal aid, the Racial Discrimination Act, needs-based schools funding, the recognition of China, the abolition of conscription, the law reform commission, student financial assistance, the Heritage Commission, non-discriminatory immigration rules, community health clinics, Aboriginal land rights, paid maternity leave for public servants, lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years and fair electoral boundaries and Senate representation for the territories. Apart from all of this, what did this Roman ever do for us? What Whitlam did was usher in much much much bigger government He brought in the idea that a resilient and independent and cheerful and community-based people Should bestow all their power and all the things that influence the trajectory of their life into an authority figure in a large bureaucratic nightmare called Canberra And we have paid a terrible terrible price for abdicating that responsibility Responsibility to stand on our own two feet Now everyone from a first home buyer to an aged care resident From an Aborigine to a small business owner To a large corporation to someone doing a trade To someone sick going to hospital to someone wanting to study at university All must look towards this bureaucratic nightmare And wine like a hungry toddler And try and get some of the churn out of this all-consuming monstrosity Whitlam and his ideology demolished Australia We could have been a strong Noble independent anti fragile resilient forthright people Instead we are a bunch of little crybabies You never want government to do anything for you that you can do yourself Because once you do that You weaken yourself You become more mediocre You don't want to bounce out of bed in the morning ready to get on with an awesome life You just want to lie there like a little puke And get fat and lazy and entitled Disgusting and disgraceful stuff

Oh? The Australia of the 50s and 60s was a closed shop, dear. The government dished out everything - finances, banks, monopolies. Mother bought all the wool to keep us going, and you couldn't even smuggle a Playboy magazine into the country, never mind import a Darkie. The Hawke/Keating governments changed all this for good.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today.

Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked).

Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag.

Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them.

Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them.

People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent.

Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life.

Today society is disintegrating everywhere.

Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept.

Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen.

moses wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 4:55pm:

The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today. Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked). Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag. Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them. Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them. People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent. Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life. Today society is disintegrating everywhere. Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept. Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen.

Nothing like hyperbolic nostalgia to make you want to live in someone else's over-gilded memory.

moses wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 4:55pm:

The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today. Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked). Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag. Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them. Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them. People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent. Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life. Today society is disintegrating everywhere. Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept. Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen.

Yeah? I leave my doors and windows open here in Granville, circa 2021. Dropped my wallet once, and some Chow down the road handed it to the Granville Police Station. The Curries over the road bring me my mail when Australia Post gets it wrong. A Whitey down the road mows my nature strip because I'm too lazy to do it. And we all share the parking spots with visitors to the Granville Mosque.

I walk around night and day. I've never once felt threatened and I live in one of the most diverse postcodes in Australia. Chows, Curries, Crackers, Muslims.

Oh, in case you're wondering, I'm a White person. I feel safer now than I felt in the Western Sydney of the 1980s. That's my own personal experience, and I didn't read it in the UK Daily Mail.

You?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 5:02pm:

moses wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 4:55pm: The 50's & 60's were a far cry from the world today. Practically everybody left the keys in their car when they went to town for a day / night out, (keys left in the ignition, windows down, doors unlocked). Old ladies could walk the streets in total safety, it was unthinkable that some twisted prick would knock them down and steal their handbag. Girls could walk the streets at night in absolute safety, again unthinkable that some gutless coward would rape them. Children all used to walk to school in absolute safety, once more unthinkable that some pedophile would kidnap them and take them and rape them. People lived / slept in unlocked houses, secure in the knowledge that home was their domain, no one would enter with iniquitous intent. Then leftwing social engineering began to over ride all aspects of life. Today society is disintegrating everywhere. Leftwing social engineering / political correctness rules, people indoctrinated from pre-school on, universities riddled with the leftwing concept. Oh well it's our choice the leftards are on a roll at the moment, just how far we have to sink into the sewer before we start to turn around, remains to be seen. Nothing like hyperbolic nostalgia to make you want to live in someone else's over-gilded memory.

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s.

I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime.

Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was.

Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 7:47pm:

Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still.

Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young.

After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise.

Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on.

Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth.

Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society.

There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s.

What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today.

Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no?

We will make America great again, yes?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes?

You'll have to read some Steven Pinker (if you haven't already)... His latest book 'Enlightenment Now' - "argues that the Enlightenment values of reason, science, and humanism have brought progress; shows our progress with data that health, prosperity, safety, peace, and happiness have tended to rise worldwide; and explains the cognitive science of why this progress should be appreciated. It is a follow-up to Pinker's 2011 book, The Better Angels of Our Nature."

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:28pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:24pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes? You'll have to read some Steven Pinker (if you haven't already)... His latest book 'Enlightenment Now' - "argues that the Enlightenment values of reason, science, and humanism have brought progress; shows our progress with data that health, prosperity, safety, peace, and happiness have tended to rise worldwide; and explains the cognitive science of why this progress should be appreciated. It is a follow-up to Pinker's 2011 book, The Better Angels of Our Nature."

Thanks, North, I'm curious. I'm keen to know more. After all, this is no "leftie" phenomenon. I hardly identify as left anyway, but I did not swallow these facts easily.

Howard, remember, supported every one of those Keating reforms. I myself at the time, did not.

Liberal market reforms, of course, made no one happy. What they did was create wealth. This led to longer lifespans, home ownership,  improved industrial relations or "human resources" in the neoliberal parlance.

As Neville Wran famously said, if you want philosophy, join the Hare Krishnas. The purpose of the social democratic parties is to create wealth for all. I have to say, as a citizen/consumer, I've reaped the rewards of those liberal market reforms.

I have a safe job, a house, an Opal card and a bicycle. The union does fuck all anymore, but they no longer need to. I have Medicare, super, a better wage than most of Europe, America, the UK and New Zealand, and I earn the Australian average wage.

This doesn't make me happy, it provides security. Because of this, I don't need to do crime. It's why my suburb is so safe. I grew here, but I'm no different to all those immigrants on my street, even though we may all find happiness in our different ways.

The Granville of the 1960s, like many working class suburbs, was riveted with poverty and crime. Not anymore.

Australia today is fundamentally different to the society my parents lived in during the 60s. My parents know this all too well. No matter how much they may complain, they've reaped the dividends more than most. The value of their homes alone puts them in the top 1% of global wealth.

We won't give this up to sell tabloid ad space, Trump and Brexit. We won't play the politics of fear and hate. We respect our neighbours, they're one of us. They're friends.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? In moments of sobriety like this, I realize I've been blessed.

You?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 10:29pm:

In moments of sobriety like this, I realize I've been blessed. You?

Yes, Of course.

And its worth defending.

Your analysis is flaws, pb. China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen.


No developed country needs mass immigration.

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:17am:

China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration.

Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed.

What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

K
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years.

There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am:

K NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years. There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Until you run out of young citizens or those who want to have families.

Frank wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:46am:

K NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years. There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration.

Japan as a case study. An aging population requires young people, AI may save us from that dilemma but its a way off.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:54am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:46am: K NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) The point - no mass immigration is necessary to achieve economic growth in the past 30 years. There is no compelling economic argument for mass immigration. Until you run out of young citizens or those who want to have families.

which most of the western world has, a  rapidly declining fertility and birth rate across the Western world.

What's difference between a Closet Pom and a Real Pom?
:)

capitosinora wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 1:12pm:

What's difference between a Closet Pom and a Real Pom? :)

Posh accent

athos wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 1:19pm:

capitosinora wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 1:12pm: What's difference between a Closet Pom and a Real Pom? :) Posh accent

Pom, if it denotes anything, denotes an English person...

That would include those with Geordie accents, Yorkshire accents, Liverpudlian Scouse accents, Brummie accents, West Country accents, Manchester accents, Cockney accents to name just seven that do not sound 'posh'... If by 'posh' you mean Received Pronunciation accents.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2021 at 11:36am:

Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?)

They are already. Due to the dearth of eligible young females, Chinese men have turned to the free markets of Cambodia, Indonesia and Nepal for their brides.

The old boy's never been a fan of free markets, just as he's always looked down upon free migration.

After all, the old boy only flew here. He never planned on assimilating.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2021 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes?

Abortion.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) They are already. Due to the dearth of eligible young females, Chinese men have turned to the free markets of Cambodia, Indonesia and Nepal for their brides. The old boy's never been a fan of free markets, just as he's always looked down upon free migration. After all, the old boy only flew here. He never planned on assimilating.

Amazing - I've hooked up with a 26 yo Chinese lady lawyer - drop dead gorgeous, intelligent and a good person ... what red-blooded Chinese man, in a woman shortage, would leave her high and dry as a 'leftover woman' at 26?

A large part of the reason for the 'woman shortage' is that Chinese men want to marry a woman one step lower on the social class, and that leaves the men at the bottom out of pussy... and the women in the top tier struggling to find a good man... add to that the fundamental chauvinism of the Chinese man, and the expectation that still exists that a wife should be at home caring for kids and old people - and you can see why excellent Chinese women are looking elsewhere.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:24pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes? Abortion.

Sorry? Sprint, Is that you? 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 6^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 5:38pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) They are already. Due to the dearth of eligible young females, Chinese men have turned to the free markets of Cambodia, Indonesia and Nepal for their brides. The old boy's never been a fan of free markets, just as he's always looked down upon free migration. After all, the old boy only flew here. He never planned on assimilating. Amazing - I've hooked up with a 26 yo Chinese lady lawyer - drop dead gorgeous, intelligent and a good person ... what red-blooded Chinese man, in a woman shortage, would leave her high and dry as a 'leftover woman' at 26? A large part of the reason for the 'woman shortage' is that Chinese men want to marry a woman one step lower on the social class, and that leaves the men at the bottom out of pussy... and the women in the top tier struggling to find a good man... add to that the fundamental chauvinism of the Chinese man, and the expectation that still exists that a wife should be at home caring for kids and old people - and you can see why excellent Chinese women are looking elsewhere.

Stealing their women, eh?

Did you marry her?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 2:17pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 11:18pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 5:38pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) They are already. Due to the dearth of eligible young females, Chinese men have turned to the free markets of Cambodia, Indonesia and Nepal for their brides. The old boy's never been a fan of free markets, just as he's always looked down upon free migration. After all, the old boy only flew here. He never planned on assimilating. Amazing - I've hooked up with a 26 yo Chinese lady lawyer - drop dead gorgeous, intelligent and a good person ... what red-blooded Chinese man, in a woman shortage, would leave her high and dry as a 'leftover woman' at 26? A large part of the reason for the 'woman shortage' is that Chinese men want to marry a woman one step lower on the social class, and that leaves the men at the bottom out of pussy... and the women in the top tier struggling to find a good man... add to that the fundamental chauvinism of the Chinese man, and the expectation that still exists that a wife should be at home caring for kids and old people - and you can see why excellent Chinese women are looking elsewhere. Stealing their women, eh? Did you marry her?

Give me time... just forming an alliance between two warring families - bloody Montagues need bringing into line... might heal the trade war if Australian blokes get enough of their women..

Chinese men are ordering their white Russian mail brides.
They get Australian white concubines via a Student Visa here.

Darkie Men can take all the white women in the world to seed out the white male strain and still another 10 darkie men will miss out.  ;D

Darkie men see White culture as the female culture: a race that considers itself 'mentally' superior, when it's 'physically' inferior. Black Groom, White Bride.

Downe at Ye Olde Feministe Meetinge:-

"We're all gathered!  RIGHT!  What have the Old White Men ever done for US?  They've robbed our mothers, and our mother's mothers...."

".. and our mother's mother's mothers and their lesbian sisters and faggot brothers ..."

"Don't gild the lily, Greta... so what have the Old White Men ever done for us, eh?  EH?"

"The roads....?"

".. and the sewerage... phew - remember what the city used to be like!"

".. and the wine.... yeah - the wine... and law and order.. couldn't walk the streets without being raped before..."

"All right.. all right!  But what else have they ever done for us???"

".... the universities... yeah - couldn't be here without the universities... and the right to speak out publicly.. yeah, yeah .."

"OH, SHUT UP!!  Now - let's move on.... What Have The Feminists Done For Us All???  Now THAT's the important thing..."

**crickets**

"Don't all speak at once now..... did someone bring some crickets to this meeting?"

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 9^th, 2021 at 5:48am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 2:17pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 11:18pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 5:38pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:36am: Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2021 at 11:17am: China, most of Asia, Eastern Europe had an even greater growth in prosperity than Australia, with negligible to zero immigration.  Crime in areas that have become immigrant ghettos has risen. No developed country needs mass immigration. Given Eastern Europe emerged from the hellhole of the Soviet Union; China and most of Asia were similarly economic shitholes up until very recently... They started with a very low measure to exceed. What will happen as the Chinese average age (due largely to its decades-long one-child policy) begins to increase too rapidly? Where will they find youth?  (dare I say it?! Youth in Asia?) They are already. Due to the dearth of eligible young females, Chinese men have turned to the free markets of Cambodia, Indonesia and Nepal for their brides. The old boy's never been a fan of free markets, just as he's always looked down upon free migration. After all, the old boy only flew here. He never planned on assimilating. Amazing - I've hooked up with a 26 yo Chinese lady lawyer - drop dead gorgeous, intelligent and a good person ... what red-blooded Chinese man, in a woman shortage, would leave her high and dry as a 'leftover woman' at 26? A large part of the reason for the 'woman shortage' is that Chinese men want to marry a woman one step lower on the social class, and that leaves the men at the bottom out of pussy... and the women in the top tier struggling to find a good man... add to that the fundamental chauvinism of the Chinese man, and the expectation that still exists that a wife should be at home caring for kids and old people - and you can see why excellent Chinese women are looking elsewhere. Stealing their women, eh? Did you marry her? Give me time... just forming an alliance between two warring families - bloody Montagues need bringing into line... might heal the trade war if Australian blokes get enough of their women..

Ah.

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2021 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:14pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:24pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes? Abortion. Sorry? Sprint, Is that you?

The drop in violent crime can be attributed to abortion and family planning. See Dubner and Levitt's book for example.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2021 at 7:52am:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 2:15pm: freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2021 at 8:14pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:24pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 8:01pm: Melanias purse wrote on Mar 2nd, 2021 at 7:47pm: Memories, no? My dad regales me with tales of pub fights back in the 60s. And I remember suburbs in Sydney you couldn't even go in the 1980s. I remember wars between punks and skinheads, and I know people who were poofter-bashed close to death. Back then, you'd actually see groups of kids on trains on Friday and Saturday night, heading out for a blue. Back then, violence was literally a recreational pastime. Modern Australia is far less violent.than it was. Who knows? They say it has something to do with taking the lead out of petrol, but then, from what I hear, the 1920s and 30s were even more violent still. Yes... It's never the times that were great when we look back... It's the fact we were young. After all, the great depression and WW2 don't sound like compliments of the times from a Shangri La... But ask uber-geriatrics (if you can find them, they're getting rarer) and they'll tell you it was a bloody paradise. Violent crime has dropped by over half since the 1950s. It's called the Great Crime Drop. It happened all through the Western world from the early 90s on. Some put it down to taking the lead out of petrol, but prosperity has also grown. While wages growth has continued to stagnate after the GFC, it grew after the Hawke/Keating reforms - nearly 30 years of steady economic growth. Part of that is liberal market reforms, but immigration has played a critical role. Far from creating violence, immigration has added to economic growth, and this has created a safer society. There's no questioning these facts. We're living longer, we're richer and we're a far less violent society than we were in the 1950s. What has changed is equality. Inequality of wealth has grown, becoming more concentrated than ever. This leads to the resentments posted by Moses et al. What they see in the politics of race is actually class. The Nazis exploited these resentments just as the Trumps and white nationalists do today. Get busy living or get busy dying, leftards. From ancient Rome and Byzantium to modern Manhattan, London and Sydney, cosmopolitan cultural diversity has made us all richer, and ultimately stronger. We beat the Nazis, no? We will make America great again, yes? Abortion. Sorry? Sprint, Is that you?  The drop in violent crime can be attributed to abortion and family planning. See Dubner and Levitt's book for example.

Oh. Well, it would be nice to have a link or a few words, but that's just me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect