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No sprint NO.

jaguars are rolling piles of junk.

jaguar and that other mobile heap of steaming dog turd Land rover are owned by TATA.

an indian company.

they went bankrupt and merged with the indians.


the japanese are meticulous people and increible engineers

the indians are nice people with big smiles who make a nice curry but they are NOT the country with a history of reliable car manufacture.


do NOT under any circumstances buy a jaguar.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are Jaguars made in India?  No, they are not.  They are made in the UK by British people.  Jaguar is owned by an Indian Multinational.  Have you ever been to India, Aqua?  I doubt it.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2020 at 12:44pm:

Are Jaguars made in India?  No, they are not.  They are made in the UK by British people.  Jaguar is owned by an Indian Multinational.  Have you ever been to India, Aqua?  I doubt it.   ::) ::)

Brian, what's it like being wrong all the time?

Made in India all-new Jaguar XF launched for Rs 47.5 lakh (ex-Delhi)

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/auto/cars-uvs/tata-motors-owned-jlr-looks-to-build-on-foundation-of-ten-years-in-india/articleshow/69989593.cms?from=mdr

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2020 at 12:44pm:

Are Jaguars made in India?  No, they are not.  They are made in the UK by British people.  Jaguar is owned by an Indian Multinational.  Have you ever been to India, Aqua?  I doubt it.   ::) ::)

There is not one 'British' car that is an international success.

Aquascoot is right about Jaguar and Landrover. Neither of them has reputation for reliability commensurate with their price.

So many British car manufacturers (12?) have disappeared:

Is British Leyland still in business?
It was partly nationalised in 1975, when the UK government created a holding company called British Leyland, later renamed BL in 1978. ... The final surviving incarnation of the company as the MG Rover Group went into administration in 2005, bringing mass car production by British-owned manufacturers to an end.

VANDEN PLAS (1870-2009)
JENSEN MOTORS (1934-1976, 1998-2002)
JOWETT (1901-1954)
HILLMAN (1907-1976)
DAIMLER (1896-2007)
AUSTIN (1905-1987)
WOLSELEY (1901-1975)
TRIUMPH (1885-2004)
ROVER (1878-2005)
RILEY (1890-1969)
MORRIS (1913-1984)

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/motors/extinct-british-car-brands-where-are-they-now-a3577311.html

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2020 at 5:54am:

No sprint NO. jaguars are rolling piles of junk. jaguar and that other mobile heap of steaming dog turd Land rover are owned by TATA. an indian company. they went bankrupt and merged with the indians. the japanese are meticulous people and increible engineers the indians are nice people with big smiles who make a nice curry but they are NOT the country with a history of reliable car manufacture. do NOT under any circumstances buy a jaguar.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reliability of Landy and Jag has actually impoved heaps in the last 5 years.

Japanese cars are reliable because they are (generally) very conservative and slow moving to impliment new tech. The Euros allow their customers to beta test the bleeding egde of tech which is lovely to use but is paid for with reliability.

But what actually makes people remember if their car is reliable or not is how well the dealer network reacts to problems when they arise.

Take Jeep for example. They actually make realy nice cars with a few niggles here and there. Prob is, the owner of Fiat Chyrysler (who imports Jeep) should be shot. They say no to justifiable warranty issues and the dealer is left looking like an arsehole and the customer gets screwed. Issues outside of warrenty period, good luck.

Kia on the other hand is like the ugly chick keen to make people like her.

I know one case, they bought a Kia people mover, just out of warranty, hadn't been serviced for a few year,s blew a head gasket. Kia repaired it.

Back to Jag tho, meh. Just get a Ford Mustang for 1/3rd the price. It has a Ford engine so may as well just get the Ford :)

Gordon, they are fine to have like a fashion accessory if you are a yuppie who lives in the CBD and puts 3000 Kim's on it every year.

But as a regular drive, they are a money pit.

All European cars are.

German autobahn s  are not Australian roads.
They don't test the components.

As an example.

The new BMW has an electric motor attached to the rear brake calliper s, with its own electronic circuitry to apply the handbrake.

This electric motorised handbrake needs a special tool to compress it to change brake pads, meaning you need to go to a dealer to change the pads!!!
Normally a do it yourself job.

And in Aussie conditions with salt water or mud, you can guarantee that emergency brake motor will fail.

Cost.

Over 1000 bucks.

Cost of a hilux cable for the handbrake .

12 dollars .

European cars.

Over engineered rolling piles of junk

Also there is very very little reason to buy an AWD in OZ.
Unless you live at thredbo and drive in melted snow .

So much extra junk to go wrong

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2020 at 1:50pm:

Gordon, they are fine to have like a fashion accessory if you are a yuppie who lives in the CBD and puts 3000 Kim's on it every year. But as a regular drive, they are a money pit. All European cars are. German autobahn s  are not Australian roads. They don't test the components. As an example. The new BMW has an electric motor attached to the rear brake calliper s, with its own electronic circuitry to apply the handbrake. This electric motorised handbrake needs a special tool to compress it to change brake pads, meaning you need to go to a dealer to change the pads!!! Normally a do it yourself job. And in Aussie conditions with salt water or mud, you can guarantee that emergency brake motor will fail. Cost. Over 1000 bucks. Cost of a hilux cable for the handbrake . 12 dollars . European cars. Over engineered rolling piles of junk Also there is very very little reason to buy an AWD in OZ. Unless you live at thredbo and drive in melted snow . So much extra junk to go wrong

Euro cars are all fun until they need repairs.  As we mentioned in the other thread, 70% of Mercs are leased. Fixed service costs then flipped after 3, easy peasy.
A lot of Mercs will go and go and go, and then you get one that needs a new tranny 6 months after the warranty runs out and you get a bill for more than the car is worth :)

For Euro, I'd go with anything in the Volkswagen auto group, particularly Skoda who is a brand building and looks after customers.

Prince Phillip:  "It looks as if it was put in by an Indian." (pointing at an old-fashioned fusebox in a factory near Edinburgh in 1999).

Out of my price range.

Basically, all i ask of a vehicle, is for it to [reliably] get me, for here, to there.



Yadda, the easy to please.

But you can get a vehicle that gets you from A to B
...like Campese in a Ferrari with three hot chicks, cruisin along Norton St back in the day.

Australian cars were once good. But Holden just rolled out model after model with very little variation and personality. They no longer stood out in any spectacular way. I think people just got 'bored' with Holdens.  Holden should have made a few 'upmarket' models rather than just mass produce in a nation that mass manufacturing is a failed business. Holden should have challenged the likes of BMW, Jaguar, etc. But suited for Australian conditions.

Reasons why I don't like Jaguars is because the have very small cabin space, very narrow. It's almost pretentious. Speed, Money Showoff and to buy women. Longweekend drives one with his golf hat on.

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Out of my price range. Basically, all i ask of a vehicle, is for it to [reliably] get me, for here, to there

Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2020 at 1:14am:

But you can get a vehicle that gets you from A to B ...like Campese in a Ferrari with three hot chicks, cruisin along Norton St back in the day.

SEE ABOVE


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Jasin wrote on Dec 7^th, 2020 at 1:14am:

Holden should have made a few 'upmarket' models rather than just mass produce in a nation that mass manufacturing is a failed business. Holden should have challenged the likes of BMW, Jaguar, etc. But suited for Australian conditions.

I didn't pay very close attention,     but i think Holden did market some 'exclusive' muscle cars [in its last decades in production] ?

And i think these models sold well, and sold at a HOT premium, to the 'regular fare' which were on offer to the public.

And these models are collectors items now.   ??




I worked at Woodville and Elizabeth.

A long, long time ago.

Nothing 'prestigious' though, nothing really impressive on the luxury level. Nothing 'original' to make it really come across as distinctly Australian compared to the rest. It went for quantity over quality in an era of Mass Manufacturing going under in Australia. Tried to pep itself up with Monaros, but they didn't go as far as Mustangs for Ford. Old stuff. Even the Holden utes had two massive blind spots in the front window section. Only good for a root at a Bachelor/Spinster party in the Rurals.