We have fttc and it is far better speed wise than adsl. I mean it is still adsl, just to the curb instead of an exchange. The difference is when a problem with adsl occured you'd just buy a new router. I had to endure 7 days without internet or home phone because the Netgear router that powers the DPU in the pit semi-died. A new one could have been provided via overnight post rather than having to wait for a week for a tech to bring one around that I installed anyway. Surely it would be cheaper to courier out a new "device" rather than sending out a tech? Oh you say, it may be something else... Well the above still applies, the problem could be fixed in 24 hours rather than a week, report back to NBNco if that does not fix the problem and you really need a tech.

Edit: The bummer part was the Tech was an Indian and as you know when you hear an Indian voice on the phone it's another phonecall centre scammer. I almost hung up on him, especially after all the Nicole phone calls. Anyway, he was good, brought the new NBN router at the time arrived at. Just was a waste of time and money.

NBN sucks ... I have the telstra modem that automatically switches to wireless whenever there s a problem with the wired NBN connection ... my modem has been running on wireless for almost two weeks now  ::)

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2020 at 9:21pm:

NBN sucks ... I have the telstra modem that automatically switches to wireless whenever there s a problem with the wired NBN connection ... my modem has been running on wireless for almost two weeks now  ::)

Use your own equipment. The only thing I have from either NBNco or my isp is the Netgear NBN router that NBNco provides. If I had an alternative that I controlled, I'd be a lot happier. It may be a bit conceited/first world prob but it's the longest I've been without communications in my life.

Setanta wrote on Dec 4^th, 2020 at 8:52pm:

We have fttc and it is far better speed wise than adsl. I mean it is still adsl, just to the curb instead of an exchange. The difference is when a problem with adsl occured you'd just buy a new router. I had to endure 7 days without internet or home phone because the Netgear router that powers the DPU in the pit semi-died. A new one could have been provided via overnight post rather than having to wait for a week for a tech to bring one around that I installed anyway. Surely it would be cheaper to courier out a new "device" rather than sending out a tech? Oh you say, it may be something else... Well the above still applies, the problem could be fixed in 24 hours rather than a week, report back to NBNco if that does not fix the problem and you really need a tech. Edit: The bummer part was the Tech was an Indian and as you know when you hear an Indian voice on the phone it's another phonecall centre scammer. I almost hung up on him, especially after all the Nicole phone calls. Anyway, he was good, brought the new NBN router at the time arrived at. Just was a waste of time and money.

Geez...1st world problems.  ;)



Could be worse.At least you have less copper between your modem and the NBN. We're on FTTN, and have had a number of early issues with dropouts etc. It was only because I (and presumably others) hassled ISPs, that proper investigation was done, and a lot of the copper in town is being "remediated".

One wonders what might have been, had they rolled out FTTP in the first place *sigh* Ideology...who'd have it?

Agree with using your own kit. We brought a bit of existing kit from our last place in Canberra, here to QLD. We were on VDSL there, so had an NBN-compatible modem to "plug and play" when we got here...

There seems to be a general misunderstanding about the NBN throughout Australia.

NBN is a private company '... established on 9 April 2009 under the name of its company number, "A.C.N. 136 533 741 Limited".'

More than that, it is an ORSTRAYUN company. Like ALL such companies, it has three major objectives:

Profit; more profit; and STILL MORE PROFIT.

Given the personal characters of those so involved and employed, its primary objective upon being founded would have been:

To ensure that the Board of Directors and Senior Management ALL become billionaires within three years of commencing operations.

Having achieved that objective, little more remains to be done. The fact that the so-called "services" it provides are over-priced, technically inferior, and without adequate support is quite irrelevant.

The Company is well established. It has achieved its primary objectives. It continues to generate profit and returns to shareholders.

What MORE do you want?

Phi wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 2:27pm:

What MORE do you want?

Honesty and a world class internet service would be nice. What I don’t get my head around is it was Malcolm Turnbull who stuffed up broadband in Oz. We were led to believe he was technically astute. Maybe unknown to us Mrs T &/or one of his offspring are major shareholders in this mess?

Setanta wrote on Dec 4^th, 2020 at 9:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:21pm: NBN sucks ... I have the telstra modem that automatically switches to wireless whenever there s a problem with the wired NBN connection ... my modem has been running on wireless for almost two weeks now  ::) Use your own equipment. The only thing I have from either NBNco or my isp is the Netgear NBN router that NBNco provides. If I had an alternative that I controlled, I'd be a lot happier. It may be a bit conceited/first world prob but it's the longest I've been without communications in my life.

Out here in the Tasmain sticks all we have is a sloppy, unreliable and slow wireless connection to the web. To suggest it’s anything to do with NBN and it’s claimed advantages is a real stretch.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 4:52pm:

We were led to believe he was technically astute

Was it Abbott who told us Turnbull invented the internet?  :D :D :D :D

>  Turnbull invented the internet?
>  We were led to believe he was technically astute.

Murray Trumble (as so named by 'The Most Powerful Man in the World' when the "White House ... appeared to call Australian Prime Minister "Prime Minister Trumble") was (please read carefully) a B..A..N..K..E..R as in "wanker" who founded "an investment banking firm in 1987 and during that time specialised in the media and technology sectors." Google it!

Orstrayuns believe that ANYONE involved in technology is AUTOMAGICALLY a TECHNOLOGY EXPERT.

Trumble "... co-founded the first big Australian Internet company, OzEmail Ltd" so he's just GOTTA know EVERYTHING about technology, right?

As a former hardware design engineer whose best years were spent in Singapore (where ENGINEERS run engineering companies) who returned to Orstraya where bankers/wankers, retired public servants, lawyers, wealthy criminals and sundry others (EXCLUDING engineers) run "engineering" companies, I obtained and resigned from a series of jobs because ... well, working for criminals, incompetents and perverts just isn't all it's cracked up to be, no matter WHAT you see on Orstrayun TV. SERIOUSLY!

But don't let me pour vinegar into your champagne.

Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough. Now we have FTTC which is OK but has a serious flaw. The NBN router that powers the dsl in the hole out the front does not like storms. We've had one die in a mild storm with no close lightening. Lightening doesn't affect fibre.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 7:42pm:

Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough.

Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays?

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:42pm: Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough. Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays?

Possibly but the gains that were made after Labors plans should have seen it finished sooner. Like new tech to clear conduits. It still didn't held the NBN be sooner, cheaper and quicker as it's obviously not and we are still near the top of the world for internet access costs and speed. I have no doubt that Labors NBN would have saved us billions, do it once, do it right. Once fibre is rolled out the only limitation on speed is the transceivers at each end.

What the Libs did is the same as they tried to do to the SHB, how would that have worked out? Luckily Labor won that one. Libs seem to know the cost of everything but nothing of the 'value'.

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 7:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:48pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:42pm: Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough. Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays? Possibly but the gains that were made after Labors plans should have seen it finished sooner. Like new tech to clear conduits. It still didn't held the NBN be sooner, cheaper and quicker as it's obviously not and we are still near the top of the world for internet access costs and speed. I have no doubt that Labors NBN would have saved us billions, do it once, do it right. Once fibre is rolled out the only limitation on speed is the transceivers at each end. What the Libs did is the same as they tried to do to the SHB, how would that have worked out? Luckily Labor won that one. Libs seem to know the cost of everything but nothing of the 'value'.

And in 10 years we'll have wireless 6g at 95 Gbit/s and LoL at wires under the ground.  ;D

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 8:03pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:53pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:48pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:42pm: Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough. Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays? Possibly but the gains that were made after Labors plans should have seen it finished sooner. Like new tech to clear conduits. It still didn't held the NBN be sooner, cheaper and quicker as it's obviously not and we are still near the top of the world for internet access costs and speed. I have no doubt that Labors NBN would have saved us billions, do it once, do it right. Once fibre is rolled out the only limitation on speed is the transceivers at each end. What the Libs did is the same as they tried to do to the SHB, how would that have worked out? Luckily Labor won that one. Libs seem to know the cost of everything but nothing of the 'value'. And in 10 years we'll have wireless 6g at 95 Gbit/s and LoL at wires under the ground.  ;D

And fibre at 100095 Gbit/s, wireless has limited bandwidth and is shared bandwidth. No wireless connection will beat fibre unless it has a rather large pool of dedicated frequencies that others can't use. Fibre can carry whatever the transceivers deal out. Now that is out of the way, every wireless tower is connected by fibre... Think about it.

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 7:48pm:

Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays?

installers in a complex I used to manage whilst there were called to replace new work they'd installed just 3 months prior because it's proximity to the ocean caused the coax and joiners to corrode .. this will be an ongoing problem for coax. The installer was happy as it guaranteed him work even after the roll out was completed . Add in the cost of repairs to pits after storms and flooding etc. (My NBN drops out every time it rains).

The mixed technology rubbish will cost us at least double over an extended period of time, but the libs aren't showing those expenses in their costings.

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2020 at 9:21pm:

NBN sucks ... I have the telstra modem that automatically switches to wireless whenever there s a problem with the wired NBN connection ... my modem has been running on wireless for almost two weeks now  ::)

I have the Telstra Smart Modem but my wireless backup wont work because the mobile signal in my house is too weak....the light only ever goes yellow.

I'm only 3 klm as the crow flies from the CBD.

In my area it's FTTN and CTTC & house.

Gordon wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 8:03pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:53pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:48pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 7:42pm: Faster, quicker, cheaper, sooner, finished by 2016, well done! It became available here in Lismore in about August(2020) this year. Waiting for Labor's roll out of all fibre by 2020-2021 was not good enough. Would it not have also been subject to cost blowouts and delays? Possibly but the gains that were made after Labors plans should have seen it finished sooner. Like new tech to clear conduits. It still didn't held the NBN be sooner, cheaper and quicker as it's obviously not and we are still near the top of the world for internet access costs and speed. I have no doubt that Labors NBN would have saved us billions, do it once, do it right. Once fibre is rolled out the only limitation on speed is the transceivers at each end. What the Libs did is the same as they tried to do to the SHB, how would that have worked out? Luckily Labor won that one. Libs seem to know the cost of everything but nothing of the 'value'. And in 10 years we'll have wireless 6g at 95 Gbit/s and LoL at wires under the ground.  ;D

That's the thing, we won't be.

Wireless has limitations that fibre doesn't, but also vice versa.

In Christchurch in NZ for example, fibre is a bad idea because of how often it's broken during earthquakes.