"With his denial of the outcome, Trump has endangered America’s democracy and duped supporters into believing, perhaps permanently, that Biden was elected illegitimately."

More troubling to Raffensperger were the many threats he and his wife, Tricia, have received over the past few weeks - and a break-in at another family member's home. All of it has prompted him to accept a state security detail.

"If Republicans don't start condemning this stuff, then I think they're really complicit in it," he said. "It's time to stand up and be counted. Are you going to stand for righteousness? Are you going to stand for integrity? Or are you going to stand for the wild mob? You wanted to condemn the wild mob when it's on the left side. What are you going to do when it's on our side?"

Don't worry, mate, they still condemn "the left", and conveniently forget their own myriad failings... ::)

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/fantasy-and-failure-inside-trump-s-20-day-quest-to-overturn-the-us-election-20201129-p56iyt.html



In a word...Sad!

That's what they've been saying of Trump since he got in.
Why's it good for one, but not the other??

Truly sad indeed.

Hillary: "It was Rigged!"
Pelosi: "It was Rigged!"
Harris: "We Rigged it!"

Dear Mr mixmaster

It is sad

The west is doing this to themselves
Both the left and the right are totally polarising

That's because the left and the right had become addicted to outrage
Which is about the most addictive emotional state a human can feel

And Twitter Facebook Google CNN MSNBC the Washington post and the New York times
All increase their revenue  by feeding the polarization

On Twitter and Facebook
Fights fake news and deepfakes are shared maximally
Because the artificial intelligence has worked out this is what keeps people on the platform

It's quite interesting if you look at Taiwan
The Taiwanese have trained their artificial intelligence and machine learning
To look at comments on social media
And share and promote items which create constructive
And pleasant commentary

This is the exact opposite of the West

I think that until the authorities gain control of these platforms
And start to incentivize pleasant and constructive civil discourse
Fantasy and failure will be the common experience

I wouldn't necessarily blame trump
The problem is way way way deeper than that

"I think that until the authorities gain control of these platforms" ...

They're all in bed with them..... why would they want to alter a mutually beneficial relationship?

It's only a matter of time before the courts start sanctioning Trump's pettifog lawyers if this continues much longer.

Quote:

I think that until the authorities gain control of these platforms

A.k.a "Control the discourse, and the narrative..."

And you believe that is a good thing?

Why, pray tell?

Perhaps you naively believe that Governments act in the interests of their people at all times?

True. Two wrongs not making a right here.
Democrats now behaving like Republicans acting like Democrats acting like Republicans.
Both in the Wrong, thinking they are the 'only' ones who are in the Right.
For years we had to put up with the Peckerhead crying "Rigged, unfair, etc" against Trump winning and now we have to put up with "Fair's fair" against Trump now.

So where the Democrats get off calling Trump a whinger - even if he is only taking a legal avenue of exploration, while they have been such non-stop since Trump got in Power??? Since Hillary lost and went  nuts with her interviews and biographhical books attacking Trump/Republicans. Pelosi and her crew crying foul because they lost an attempted attack from the inside against Trump and failed.

So I'm not surprised about the current circumstance.
Under the previous circumstances by the Democrats/Media/Left and their 'attacks' against Trump when he was in power.
I am open to Trump at least having a go himself, now that they are in power.

Fairs, fair - no?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 8:24am:

"I think that until the authorities gain control of these platforms" ... They're all in bed with them..... why would they want to alter a mutually beneficial relationship?

Grappler

There is some truth in what you say
But it is simply undeniable that the current social media platforms and mainstream media outlets
Earn extra revenue the more they amplify the polarization

Now that's a problem
I'm not sure how you regulate for that to be honest
And you are correct in two things goodsir

The social media platforms certainly have no intention of dialling down the outrage
And our political parties don't benefit from allowing a sensible centre position to emerge

I think you need to recognise their that other societies that do have this under control
And I would cite Japan South Korea and Taiwan as three suck societies
Are developing a more cohesive society
As we develop a more fragmented society

3 billion fake accounts on Facebook
2 billion fake accounts on Twitter

Ask yourself this

If you were China and Russia and wanted to take down Western democracies
How simple is it to just employ people to post hateful stuff 24/7

With in a year the technology will be so good
That you will literally be able to construct a video
Of
Say Joe biden
Chatting to people saying grab them by the p****
And no one will know whether it is fake or not
there will actually be no way of knowing fake news from genuine news
if we are not there already we are very very close

Jasin wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 8:33am:

True. Two wrongs not making a right here. Democrats now behaving like Republicans acting like Democrats acting like Republicans. Both in the Wrong, thinking they are the 'only' ones who are in the Right. For years we had to put up with the Peckerhead crying "Rigged, unfair, etc" against Trump winning and now we have to put up with "Fair's fair" against Trump now. So where the Democrats get off calling Trump a whinger - even if he is only taking a legal avenue of exploration, while they have been such non-stop since Trump got in Power??? Since Hillary lost and went  nuts with her interviews and biographhical books attacking Trump/Republicans. Pelosi and her crew crying foul because they lost an attempted attack from the inside against Trump and failed. So I'm not surprised about the current circumstance. Under the previous circumstances by the Democrats/Media/Left and their 'attacks' against Trump when he was in power. I am open to Trump at least having a go himself, now that they are in power. Fairs, fair - no?

From the article:

Then Trump invited the leaders of Michigan's Republican-controlled state Senate and House to meet him at the White House, apparently hoping to coax them to block certification of the results or perhaps even to ignore Biden's popular-vote win and seat Trump electors if the state's canvassing board deadlocked. Such a move was on shaky legal ground, but that didn't stop Trump from trying.

Republican and Democratic leaders, including current and former governors and members of Congress, immediately launched a full-court press to urge the legislative leaders to resist Trump's entreaties. The non-partisan Voter Protection Program was so worried that it commissioned a poll to find out how Michiganders felt about his intervention. The survey found that a bipartisan majority did not like Trump intervening and believed that Biden won the state.

House Speaker Lee Chatfield and Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey said they accepted the invitation as a courtesy and issued a joint statement immediately after the meeting: "We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan."

A person familiar with their thinking said they felt they could not decline the President's invitation – plus they saw an opportunity to deliver to Trump "a flavour of the truth and what he wasn't hearing in his own echo chamber," as well as to make a pitch for coronavirus relief for their state.

There was never a moment when the lawmakers contemplated stepping in on Trump's behalf, because Michigan law does not allow it, this person said. Before the trip, lawyers for the lawmakers told their colleagues in the legislature that there was nothing feasible in what Trump was trying to do, and that it was "absolute crazy talk" for the Michigan officials to contemplate defying the will of the voters, this person added.

Please refresh my memory. Did the Democrats attempt to "coerce" State Governors to "defy the will of the people" in 2016?

Also, and once again, I only see you decrying the "faults" of the Left, and when it comes to Trump's antics note that "Fair's fair".

Do you agree with his (Trump's)actions in attempting to coerce State Governors to defy the will of their people. If so, why? If not, why not?

Quote:

With in a year the technology will be so good That you will literally be able to construct a video Of Say Joe biden Chatting to people saying grab them by the p**** And no one will know whether it is fake or not there will actually be no way of knowing fake news from genuine news if we are not there already

I know, right? Sleepy Joe wouldn't even have to talk it down by calling it locker room talk or apologise for any offence given.

Putin can just release the tape and it's all over red rover, no?

The Failed Businessman: "Wisconsin: I demand a recount!".

Wisconsin: "Okay, but you'll have to pay $3,000,000 up front".

The Failed Businessman: "It's worth it".

Wisconsin: "After the manual recount, we've found another 300 votes for President-elect Joe Biden. We have declared Mr Biden the winner".

The Failed Businessman: "D'oh!".

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5c421266cec32271820c6bfe/1:1/w_1022,h_1022,c_limit/Biden-Highest-Bidder.jpg

Karnal wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

Quote: With in a year the technology will be so good That you will literally be able to construct a video Of Say Joe biden Chatting to people saying grab them by the p**** And no one will know whether it is fake or not there will actually be no way of knowing fake news from genuine news if we are not there already I know, right? Sleepy Joe wouldn't even have to talk it down by calling it locker room talk or apologise for any offence given. Putin can just release the tape and it's all over red rover, no?

But can you not see this is going to become a massive problem karnal.

When the original grab them by the p**** tape came out
Trump  had to own up to it

If that tape was to come out in 12 months time
Trump could say that this was a computer generated and manipulated tape
Using artificial intelligence to generate his face and his words
And that he never said such a thing

And there would really be no way of knowing
That's where we're headed

Jasin wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 8:33am:

True. Two wrongs not making a right here. Democrats now behaving like Republicans acting like Democrats acting like Republicans. Both in the Wrong, thinking they are the 'only' ones who are in the Right. For years we had to put up with the Peckerhead crying "Rigged, unfair, etc" against Trump winning and now we have to put up with "Fair's fair" against Trump now. So where the Democrats get off calling Trump a whinger - even if he is only taking a legal avenue of exploration, while they have been such non-stop since Trump got in Power??? Since Hillary lost and went  nuts with her interviews and biographhical books attacking Trump/Republicans. Pelosi and her crew crying foul because they lost an attempted attack from the inside against Trump and failed. So I'm not surprised about the current circumstance. Under the previous circumstances by the Democrats/Media/Left and their 'attacks' against Trump when he was in power. I am open to Trump at least having a go himself, now that they are in power. Fairs, fair - no?

May I also ask you to directly compare the behaviour of Trump after this election, and Clinton's after the 2016 election, in terms of concessions etc.?


Quote:

As the results came in on election night, November 8, 2016, Clinton lost in multiple states that she had been predicted to win. In the early morning hours of November 9, media sources declared Trump the winner of the presidency.[263] Clinton lost the electoral vote while winning the popular vote, in what the New York Times called a "surprise outcome" after polls leading up to election day had predicted a Clinton victory.[264][265] She congratulated Trump on the win in the early morning hours of November 9, 2016, and delivered her public concession speech at 11:50 AM ET, November 9, 2016

Now, maths isn't my strong suit, but that looks very much like Clinton conceded the election on the first day after it was held.

Does it look that way to you, too? Or am I missing something there?

I'm typing this on the 30th of November (granted, still the 29th in the U.S).

Has Trump conceded the election as yet?

Fairs fair, right?

But only when it suits Republicans, apparently.  ::)

In for a penny, in for a pound (as the saying goes).

I mean, "fairs fair", right?


Quote:

The week-old lawsuit, led by a Republican representative for Pennsylvania, Mike Kelly, had challenged the state's mail-in voting law as unconstitutional. [highlight]As a remedy, Kelly and the other Republican plaintiffs had sought to either throw out the 2.5 million mail-in ballots submitted under the law — most of them by Democrats — or to wipe out the election results and direct the state's Republican-controlled legislature to pick Pennsylvania's presidential electors

Once again, the Republicans didn't like the result, so they want to actively undermine the democratic will of the people, in order to change it.

And we have republican apologists in here not only defending this behaviour, but actively cheering for it.

"No shame", indeed... ::)

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/pennsylvania-high-court-throws-out-challenge-to-biden-election-20201129-p56iwc.html

Here's another one for the apologists and naysayers...


Quote:

In his first television interview since the November 3 election, President Donald Trump suggested on Sunday that he will never accept his loss to Democrat Joe Biden and continued to fling baseless accusations of election fraud.

There's a saying about "being magnanimous in victory, and gracious in defeat."

Tell me...which one of these is Donald Trump?


Quote:

"My mind will not change in six months." "There was tremendous cheating here."

Quote:

Trump said he is "going to use 125 per cent of my energy" to continue to contest the results through the courts...

(Hmmm...maths not a strong suit there either, apparently.  ::))

And there's more...


Quote:

Trump also renewed his criticism of Republican officials in the state, including Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, for not supporting his baseless fraud claims.

Again, they obeyed the law, and refused to help the Trump campaign reject the will of the people. And he's denigrating them for having done the right thing!  >:(


Where does this bloke get off carrying on like this?

Anyone with a reasoned response?

Hell, I'd even settle for one of the resident whack jobs' responses at this point...Rich? The Mechanic? Are you guys out there?

We need you!

For the laughs, you understand

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 9:09am:

The Failed Businessman: "Wisconsin: I demand a recount!". Wisconsin: "Okay, but you'll have to pay $3,000,000 up front". The Failed Businessman: "It's worth it". Wisconsin: "After the manual recount, we've found another 300 votes for President-elect Joe Biden. We have declared Mr Biden the winner". The Failed Businessman: "D'oh!". https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5c421266cec32271820c6bfe/1:1/w_1022,h_1022,c_limit/Biden-Highest-Bidder.jpg

* you need to add another line,

Supporters of the Failed Businessman: "The recount was rigged, 4 more years!"

Clinton didn't need to rant at the Courts for a recount.
She did though rant at the Media and Murdoch for not making her a bigger American version of Margaret Thatcher (which Murdoch, in a detailed doco - confirms he put her there as PM).
"But you promised!" she cried bitterly and still harbors that anger today.

Pelosi: Although proven to have had nothing on Trump, still went out of her way to 'ruin' Trump in any way possible.

Then there is the World Community who watched a Media discredit Trump's Election attempt and when he won it, the Media made a blatant attack to get rid of Trump at all costs.

So its not about the 'Election Counts'. Never has been.
It's more than that.

Now we all know in 'Football' - many Refs/Umps/Video Refs (yep - even them) have called many a 'corrupt' call against opposing teams. Still do today.
With the MEDIA making itself out to be the 'Ref' of truth, justice and equality... except for Ranga American Males.

That's what its all about.
Trump, if he raises enough  money - could win the following election. But he'll be on his own - the 'Elite' of Politics and their 'bloodlines' won't help a 'Common Man' from the bowels of American population. The Media will do EVERYTHING to destroy him. Why?

Why the 'Fear' of Trump? What makes him so dangerous to the Media's perception on how America should be?
Why?
Why?

...its not about the 'count'. It's more than that.

I mean - if Trump won by a small or large margin.
What matters is that the Media and the Left would NOT ACCEPT ANOTHER TRUMP WIN and they would go out and 'burn' their own country. :P

Jasin wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 1:16pm:

Clinton didn't need to rant at the Courts for a recount. She did though rant at the Media and Murdoch for not making her a bigger American version of Margaret Thatcher (which Murdoch, in a detailed doco - confirms he put her there as PM). "But you promised!" she cried bitterly and still harbors that anger today. Pelosi: Although proven to have had nothing on Trump, still went out of her way to 'ruin' Trump in any way possible. Then there is the World Community who watched a Media discredit Trump's Election attempt and when he won it, the Media made a blatant attack to get rid of Trump at all costs. So its not about the 'Election Counts'. Never has been. It's more than that. Now we all know in 'Football' - many Refs/Umps/Video Refs (yep - even them) have called many a 'corrupt' call against opposing teams. Still do today. With the MEDIA making itself out to be the 'Ref' of truth, justice and equality... except for Ranga American Males. That's what its all about. Trump, if he raises enough  money - could win the following election. But he'll be on his own - the 'Elite' of Politics and their 'bloodlines' won't help a 'Common Man' from the bowels of American population. The Media will do EVERYTHING to destroy him. Why? Why the 'Fear' of Trump? What makes him so dangerous to the Media's perception on how America should be? Why? Why? ...its not about the 'count'. It's more than that. I mean - if Trump won by a small or large margin. What matters is that the Media and the Left would NOT ACCEPT ANOTHER TRUMP WIN and they would go out and 'burn' their own country. :P

Mate, I asked you a series of direct questions about Trump and his campaign team's behaviour, following the election.

As usual, you've deflected, and made it all about someone else.

Can you please re-read my posts from the previous page, and have the courtesy to answer the questions as posed, given they relate to what might be termed "current events"?

For starters - again - do you agree with Trump's attempts to force Republican (and other) Governors to arbitrarily ignore the will of the people in their States, as expressed - and double-checked - in the recent election?

Thanks in advance.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 8:20am:

Dear Mr mixmaster It is sad The west is doing this to themselves Both the left and the right are totally polarising That's because the left and the right had become addicted to outrage Which is about the most addictive emotional state a human can feel And Twitter Facebook Google CNN MSNBC the Washington post and the New York times All increase their revenue  by feeding the polarization On Twitter and Facebook Fights fake news and deepfakes are shared maximally Because the artificial intelligence has worked out this is what keeps people on the platform It's quite interesting if you look at Taiwan The Taiwanese have trained their artificial intelligence and machine learning To look at comments on social media And share and promote items which create constructive And pleasant commentary This is the exact opposite of the West I think that until the authorities gain control of these platforms And start to incentivize pleasant and constructive civil discourse Fantasy and failure will be the common experience I wouldn't necessarily blame trump The problem is way way way deeper than that

Be fair, dear. You’ve always promoted constructive and pleasant commentary yourself. As long as it’s in favour of Mr Trump, you’re all good, no?

Quote:

Ask yourself this If you were China and Russia and wanted to take down Western democracies How simple is it to just employ people to post hateful stuff 24/7

China control the platform, dear, that’s the way they do it. Russia employ the trolls.

Now if you were Putin, and there were two candidates running in a US erection - one who had imposed crippling sanctions on your country for invading the Ukraine and kept saying you were really nasty and mean; and the other a guy who had agreed to remove those sanctions, said he wanted to take America out of NATO, and had been praising you on Fox and Friends for years in the hope of getting his plans for an apartment building in Moscow approved - what would you do?

We’ll do this as a multiple choice.

a) Do nothing. It’s a separate country, it wouldn’t be fair to interfere.

b) Say nice things about both candidates. Promote civil harmony. There are good and bad on both sides, no?

c) Recklessly interfere, but be completely unbiased about it. Pay trolls to say mean things about both candidates equally. It’s best to be fair in these situations.

d) Coordinate a dirty tricks campaign for the clueless celebrity property developer and fuck the bitch who destroyed your plans for global supremacy.

i disagree with that.

what great favours did trump do for putin?

russia MAY have seen trump as the more polarising figure and therefore supported him.

but i stand by my assertion that the russians and the chinese are increasingly going to post "deep fakes" and "fake news' to try and stir up polarisation and wreck social cohesion in the west.

they would be crazy not to.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

i disagree with that. what great favours did trump do for putin? russia MAY have seen trump as the more polarising figure and therefore supported him. but i stand by my assertion that the russians and the chinese are increasingly going to post "deep fakes" and "fake news' to try and stir up polarisation and wreck social cohesion in the west. they would be crazy not to.

well I am sure kamel will approve of the latest slur CHina has delivered to us and the world via twitter.....


as long as they attack a right leaning govt  its ok with the leftards......shame their insults include us all isnt it?

Mix_Master wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 1:43pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 1:16pm: Clinton didn't need to rant at the Courts for a recount. She did though rant at the Media and Murdoch for not making her a bigger American version of Margaret Thatcher (which Murdoch, in a detailed doco - confirms he put her there as PM). "But you promised!" she cried bitterly and still harbors that anger today. Pelosi: Although proven to have had nothing on Trump, still went out of her way to 'ruin' Trump in any way possible. Then there is the World Community who watched a Media discredit Trump's Election attempt and when he won it, the Media made a blatant attack to get rid of Trump at all costs. So its not about the 'Election Counts'. Never has been. It's more than that. Now we all know in 'Football' - many Refs/Umps/Video Refs (yep - even them) have called many a 'corrupt' call against opposing teams. Still do today. With the MEDIA making itself out to be the 'Ref' of truth, justice and equality... except for Ranga American Males. That's what its all about. Trump, if he raises enough  money - could win the following election. But he'll be on his own - the 'Elite' of Politics and their 'bloodlines' won't help a 'Common Man' from the bowels of American population. The Media will do EVERYTHING to destroy him. Why? Why the 'Fear' of Trump? What makes him so dangerous to the Media's perception on how America should be? Why? Why? ...its not about the 'count'. It's more than that. I mean - if Trump won by a small or large margin. What matters is that the Media and the Left would NOT ACCEPT ANOTHER TRUMP WIN and they would go out and 'burn' their own country. :P Mate, I asked you a series of direct questions about Trump and his campaign team's behaviour, following the election. As usual, you've deflected, and made it all about someone else. Can you please re-read my posts from the previous page, and have the courtesy to answer the questions as posed, given they relate to what might be termed "current events"? For starters - again - do you agree with Trump's attempts to force Republican (and other) Governors to arbitrarily ignore the will of the people in their States, as expressed - and double-checked - in the recent election? Thanks in advance.

Ok. Chill Mix_Master. I wasn't trying to deflect or rub you up the wrong way. I've seen you deal with the Peccary, where many before have failed. You're asking proper questions. I sometimes tell myself I'll answer that post directly in 10mins after completing a current response to a post or two. Sometimes I forget or get distracted to my 'reality' needs. I'm one of those guys of whom the oldie neighbours ask for the odd jobs to be done, etc. Driving an old fella a few hours to the city on Thurs, so won't be on OzPol till maybe late...

...anyway. I came into 'consciousness' of all things Trump when he began his run for Election. Frill me lizard if I wasn't going to give this guy a good aussie 'FAIR GO'. Just like all the rest 'regardless' if they are Rep or Dem.
But unlike all the other 'Elections' - this was different. The Media leading up to the Election seemed to display a sense of 'mockery' of Trump's effort. Even 'laughing' with all bias. Then this Trump fella wins the Election and the Media suddenly goes into a year of shock (hell, many 'celebrities' died like flies that year) then slowly into over-drive against all things 'Trump'.
It was as if this Trump fella, a little red Ranga from the common herd, had brought out the 'Bias' of the Media and its involvement in Politics - out into the open, for everyone to see. Trump, who - really does remind me of Baron Harkonnen (Dune) with Dain Ironfoot (Hobbit), with his unpleasant and sometimes unreasonable ways. But hey, many 'little people' exhibit much the same.

So I decided to take a balanced judgement as best I can, but if I'm coming across as a Trump Supporter. Then its only because I want to find out WHY all this 'bias' and fuss over this man? Why, at times - the 'Hatred'?

I sometimes wonder if its just hypocritical 'Racism'. Ok for Blue Brunette, Grey Raven-haired, Black and Yellow's to be in both the Media (as Alphas) and Politics... but not Red Rangas, White Blondes, Brownies (although Jews are allowed) and Greenies. These four are often portrayed by the Media in its movies as villans, clowns, fools and mostly 'negative' roles.

So I'm taking the Big Picture on this. I'm not really giving a toss about the millions of minor details thrown at each other  from each side. I'm just going for 'both' sides - but I had to choose one side 'aggressively' and the other 'passively' in my support. Overt or Covert, if you prefer.

Did Trump build upon Wikileaks and get close to discovering a Truth? Was the Media afraid of something and did everything to get rid of 'that' President?

Sometimes it looked to me like Trump had something over the Media and it didn't like that.  :-?

There's much more. But I hope you get my drift Mix_Master.
The reactions of Members here about all this Trump, Media stuff is interesting. Even if the Peccary is very 'repetitive'  ::). And now with Corona thrown in, things are indeed becoming very interesting.

Can I go now?

Jasin wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 5:02pm:

Mix_Master wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 1:43pm: Jasin wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 1:16pm: <snip>...in the name of blessed brevity...and per-post character limits.<snip> Mate, I asked you a series of direct questions about Trump and his campaign team's behaviour, following the election. As usual, you've deflected, and made it all about someone else. Can you please re-read my posts from the previous page, and have the courtesy to answer the questions as posed, given they relate to what might be termed "current events"? Thanks in advance. Ok. Chill Mix_Master. I wasn't trying to deflect or rub you up the wrong way. I've seen you deal with the Peccary, where many before have failed. You're asking proper questions. I sometimes tell myself I'll answer that post directly in 10mins after completing a current response to a post or two. Sometimes I forget or get distracted to my 'reality' needs. I'm one of those guys of whom the oldie neighbours ask for the odd jobs to be done, etc. Driving an old fella a few hours to the city on Thurs, so won't be on OzPol till maybe late... ...anyway. I came into 'consciousness' of all things Trump when he began his run for Election. Frill me lizard if I wasn't going to give this guy a good aussie 'FAIR GO'. Just like all the rest 'regardless' if they are Rep or Dem. But unlike all the other 'Elections' - this was different. The Media leading up to the Election seemed to display a sense of 'mockery' of Trump's effort. Even 'laughing' with all bias. Then this Trump fella wins the Election and the Media suddenly goes into a year of shock (hell, many 'celebrities' died like flies that year) then slowly into over-drive against all things 'Trump'. It was as if this Trump fella, a little red Ranga from the common herd, had brought out the 'Bias' of the Media and its involvement in Politics - out into the open, for everyone to see. Trump, who - really does remind me of Baron Harkonnen (Dune) with Dain Ironfoot (Hobbit), with his unpleasant and sometimes unreasonable ways. But hey, many 'little people' exhibit much the same. So I decided to take a balanced judgement as best I can, but if I'm coming across as a Trump Supporter. Then its only because I want to find out WHY all this 'bias' and fuss over this man? Why, at times - the 'Hatred'? I sometimes wonder if its just hypocritical 'Racism'. Ok for Blue Brunette, Grey Raven-haired, Black and Yellow's to be in both the Media (as Alphas) and Politics... but not Red Rangas, White Blondes, Brownies (although Jews are allowed) and Greenies. These four are often portrayed by the Media in its movies as villans, clowns, fools and mostly 'negative' roles. So I'm taking the Big Picture on this. I'm not really giving a toss about the millions of minor details thrown at each other  from each side. I'm just going for 'both' sides - but I had to choose one side 'aggressively' and the other 'passively' in my support. Overt or Covert, if you prefer. Did Trump build upon Wikileaks and get close to discovering a Truth? Was the Media afraid of something and did everything to get rid of 'that' President? Sometimes it looked to me like Trump had something over the Media and it didn't like that.  :-? There's much more. But I hope you get my drift Mix_Master. The reactions of Members here about all this Trump, Media stuff is interesting. Even if the Peccary is very 'repetitive'  ::). And now with Corona thrown in, things are indeed becoming very interesting. Can I go now? That is THE most comprehensive answer I've ever received on a forum. *sniff* (Apologies, I'm getting a bit misty ATM *sniff*) I asked what you thought of Trump trying to coerce State Governors to effectively ignore the will of the people, by "declaring" their States for him, despite both popular and EC votes tallying for Biden. And you gave me that response. Wow. Just WOW! I'm reminded of the opening scenes from Robocop..."You give us 3 minutes, and we'll give you THE WORLD!" And that's kind of what you've just given me. I mean..."It doesn't get to look any better than that!" [quote] Can I go now?

Of course.

And you should.

"Tahiti looks nice".

"Simon...Tahiti".

Enjoy. We'll miss your erudite, to-the-point posts...

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

i disagree with that. what great favours did trump do for putin? russia MAY have seen trump as the more polarising figure and therefore supported him. but i stand by my assertion that the russians and the chinese are increasingly going to post "deep fakes" and "fake news' to try and stir up polarisation and wreck social cohesion in the west. they would be crazy not to.

Which favours did Trump do...

No. You answer the question first. It's a multiple choice, dear, not hard.