https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts/kyle-daniels-6yo-girl-to-testify-at-accused-swim-teacher-sex-assault-trial/news-story/30e69b843f6df52d9affc154a6873974

The evidence from a group of girls aged between six and 11 will be p
layed in court next week at the trial for swimming teacher Kyle Daniels for alleged child sex offences.

Daniels, 22, has pleaded not guilty to two dozen charges, including having sex with a child under 10-years-old, when he was coaching young girls at Mosman Swim Centre from mid-2018 to early 2019.

The former Knox Grammar School prefect was supported by his mother Janine Daniels at the John Madison Tower on Friday for a hearing ahead of a five-week jury trial beginning Monday.

Police previously told the court the nine children would be appearing via video link, with one given permission to hold a special toy.

On Friday, the court heard the interviews were “informal”, with parents supporting the girls in some videos and the first names of lawyers used.

Daniels’ barrister Leslie Nicholls told the court a transcript should be given to the jury after the videos are played.
There should be attention drawn to demonstrations in interviews,” Mr Nicholls said.

“They should not have it at the time. They should watch the demeanour, the manner (of the girls) and extent of the questioning.”

Judge Kara Shead agreed.

Unlike a regular trial, Judge Kara Shead told the court jurors would be “scattered” around the courtroom due to COVID restrictions.

“It’s not going to be ideal,” Ms Shead said.

“We might be dealing with a courtroom which is not as we wish. There‘s only a limited number of deliberation rooms available.”

Ms Shead said jurors could be dismissed if they were “worried with the environment”, but she would be discerning.

“We run the risk of people wishing to be excused to go to work the next day,” she said.

Daniels remains on $100,000 strict conditional bail and is believed to be living with his parents in their $2.3 million home on the north shore.

The case was adjourned to Monday.

6 yr olds I am sorry  but this doesnt seem right to me..... many adults find this an ordeal...yet we think this is ok....this will remain part of their lives for a long time to come....why do they have to appear via video it doesnt make it any the less painful. their statements should be enough. >:( >:( >:(

Horrible young man. Absolutely disgusting that he would do such a thing.  His parents must be very proud!  Paedophile!!

Then there is this today, too.


Quote:

Australian Federal Police have charged 44 men and removed 16 children from harm after investigators dismantled a national paedophile ring. The alleged perpetrators - some of who stand accused of producing their own child abuse material - are now facing a combined 350 charges after a law enforcement referral sparked a nationwide criminal investigation into child exploitation material. Commissioner at AFP, Reece Kershaw said the year-long Operation Molto had netted offenders in every Australian state, plus the ACT.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/more-than-40-charged-16-children-removed-from-harm-as-afp-dismantle-national-paedophile-ring-20201023-p567vi.html

he looks very young and it would be hard for a parent to have to deal with something like this but it has to be done- he is a peadophile- he hurt young girls even though he is young himself and looks young- its disgusting  and low behaviour and will come down to how he was parented by his parents growing up- where will it end and how will he be dealt with?

In the usual way I expect !

He was around late teens when this stuff happened !

Just a point before the lynching, the charges are alleged and not proven.

my main concern was the fact  in this day and age we make 6 yr old girls appear via  video link....where they will be seen by jurors and any others in the court room....I think this is more child abuse to be honest...this person who has been charged is 22  hes an adult and likewise should be treated as one...

but children should be protected from all forms of harm.. imo.. and that includes stuff of this nature..

a child will need to hold on to a special toy....seriously the authorities are ok with that......will it make the sentence any long??? I doubt it very much.....

Daniels has been on a $100.000 bail..... what does that tell you?????...

I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse.

rhino wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 10:25pm:

I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse.

yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old...

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 5:55am:

rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old...

Rhino is right. Many children have fabricated lies, mostly stimulated by adults. Take that Circus Family in the Blue Mountains - busted for paedophilia abuse on its staff and trainees. Went for years. Members of the family did long times. All 'fabricated' by children of a mother related to the Circus family that held deep religious discrimination and made the kids fabricate lies of being abused in their care and about other kids. Very nasty consequences from their lies.

I knew a few kids when young who would leave crayon art pictures of big people bending over little people with a dark sky and spiderwebs on the house, around the school for the Teachers to find. Caused a real bad vibe when the Teachers all got very angry when no-one owned up at the Assembly, no matter how much the Teachers pleaded and promised no punishment. First sad, then later angry.

Very sad.

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 5:55am:

rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old...

and easily manipulated.

Jasin wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:55am: rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old... Rhino is right. Many children have fabricated lies, mostly stimulated by adults. Take that Circus Family in the Blue Mountains - busted for paedophilia abuse on its staff and trainees. Went for years. Members of the family did long times. All 'fabricated' by children of a mother related to the Circus family that held deep religious discrimination and made the kids fabricate lies of being abused in their care and about other kids. Very nasty consequences from their lies. I knew a few kids when young who would leave crayon art pictures of big people bending over little people with a dark sky and spiderwebs on the house, around the school for the Teachers to find. Caused a real bad vibe when the Teachers all got very angry when no-one owned up at the Assembly, no matter how much the Teachers pleaded and promised no punishment. First sad, then later angry.

were they accused by a 6 yr old?... I recall the case but not the outcome.....


if there is no way to check a childs story   

then how would you deal with it?... ignore it maybe   I dont know how they investigate these cases    but to make children possibly repeat everything in court... I dont care if it is via video.......I think is wrong.

Very sad to hear, nine girls have come forward, where there's smoke there's fire.

I bet this Kyle Daniels has himself suffered from sexual abuse in his younger years, not trying to defend him he should get the full force of the law for what he has done.

And the girls should be counselled so they can recover from this episode in their life, because if they don't some of them may go on to commit the same thing in later life.

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:55pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:26pm: cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:55am: rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old... Rhino is right. Many children have fabricated lies, mostly stimulated by adults. Take that Circus Family in the Blue Mountains - busted for paedophilia abuse on its staff and trainees. Went for years. Members of the family did long times. All 'fabricated' by children of a mother related to the Circus family that held deep religious discrimination and made the kids fabricate lies of being abused in their care and about other kids. Very nasty consequences from their lies. I knew a few kids when young who would leave crayon art pictures of big people bending over little people with a dark sky and spiderwebs on the house, around the school for the Teachers to find. Caused a real bad vibe when the Teachers all got very angry when no-one owned up at the Assembly, no matter how much the Teachers pleaded and promised no punishment. First sad, then later angry. were they accused by a 6 yr old?... I recall the case but not the outcome..... if there is no way to check a childs story    then how would you deal with it?... ignore it maybe   I dont know how they investigate these cases    but to make children possibly repeat everything in court... I dont care if it is via video.......I think is wrong.

Its easy to implant memories, particularly with young children.  Experienced law enforcement officers generally hold a grim view of the world and hold extreme bias. Unfortunately it is imperative that the accusers are held to scrutiny. This young  man may very well be guilty, but if he is not there is more than his reputation at stake here and there are lots of innocent people in  jail.

Ajax wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 11:05pm:

Very sad to hear, nine girls have come forward, where there's smoke there's fire. I bet this Kyle Daniels has himself suffered from sexual abuse in his younger years, not trying to defend him he should get the full force of the law for what he has done. And the girls should be counselled so they can recover from this episode in their life, because if they don't some of them may go on to commit the same thing in later life.

lot of extrapolation on your part without adequate knowledge. 

rhino wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 11:16pm:

cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:55pm: Jasin wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:26pm: cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:55am: rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old... Rhino is right. Many children have fabricated lies, mostly stimulated by adults. Take that Circus Family in the Blue Mountains - busted for paedophilia abuse on its staff and trainees. Went for years. Members of the family did long times. All 'fabricated' by children of a mother related to the Circus family that held deep religious discrimination and made the kids fabricate lies of being abused in their care and about other kids. Very nasty consequences from their lies. I knew a few kids when young who would leave crayon art pictures of big people bending over little people with a dark sky and spiderwebs on the house, around the school for the Teachers to find. Caused a real bad vibe when the Teachers all got very angry when no-one owned up at the Assembly, no matter how much the Teachers pleaded and promised no punishment. First sad, then later angry. were they accused by a 6 yr old?... I recall the case but not the outcome..... if there is no way to check a childs story    then how would you deal with it?... ignore it maybe   I dont know how they investigate these cases    but to make children possibly repeat everything in court... I dont care if it is via video.......I think is wrong. Its easy to implant memories, particularly with young children.  Experienced law enforcement officers generally hold a grim view of the world and hold extreme bias. Unfortunately it is imperative that the accusers are held to scrutiny. This young  man may very well be guilty, but if he is not there is more than his reputation at stake here and there are lots of innocent people in  jail.

yes but that happens in every crime doesnt it???...

I am sure the authorities have more than just asking questions  regarding getting proof......as for this young man...well hes 22 .. I dont wish to condemn him he looks like he may have lived a sheltered life.perhaps mum and dad too busy to spend time with him....I would like to think there is a lot of help out there for him as well.........

Those little kids thought that what they were providing in little written letters too - was the right thing to do under guidance from their covert Mother. The Circus Family was grilled by the Media and condemned publically. Basically 'ruined' by a false accusation of sexual abuse. It's only recently, as the kids got older and the stories started to fall apart, has the Circus Family recieved any 'positive' outcomes now.

When you investigate claims made by Children, you must always investigate the adult influences around them - even if they are adults supporting the children's wellbeing.

cods wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 6:23am:

rhino wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 11:16pm: cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:55pm: Jasin wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:26pm: cods wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 5:55am: rhino wrote on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 10:25pm: I think his legal representation have a right to hear the witness statements first hand. It is extraordinarily easy to make children manufacture memories . And it has happened before that a large number of children have testified to child abuse and it has turned out later to be a wrongful conviction and the incidents the children testified about never actually happened. In fact its quite common for children to wrongfully accuse adults of child sexual abuse. yes I get that rhino....but this is a 6yr old... Rhino is right. Many children have fabricated lies, mostly stimulated by adults. Take that Circus Family in the Blue Mountains - busted for paedophilia abuse on its staff and trainees. Went for years. Members of the family did long times. All 'fabricated' by children of a mother related to the Circus family that held deep religious discrimination and made the kids fabricate lies of being abused in their care and about other kids. Very nasty consequences from their lies. I knew a few kids when young who would leave crayon art pictures of big people bending over little people with a dark sky and spiderwebs on the house, around the school for the Teachers to find. Caused a real bad vibe when the Teachers all got very angry when no-one owned up at the Assembly, no matter how much the Teachers pleaded and promised no punishment. First sad, then later angry. were they accused by a 6 yr old?... I recall the case but not the outcome..... if there is no way to check a childs story    then how would you deal with it?... ignore it maybe   I dont know how they investigate these cases    but to make children possibly repeat everything in court... I dont care if it is via video.......I think is wrong. Its easy to implant memories, particularly with young children.  Experienced law enforcement officers generally hold a grim view of the world and hold extreme bias. Unfortunately it is imperative that the accusers are held to scrutiny. This young  man may very well be guilty, but if he is not there is more than his reputation at stake here and there are lots of innocent people in  jail. yes but that happens in every crime doesnt it???... I am sure the authorities have more than just asking questions  regarding getting proof......as for this young man...well hes 22 .. I dont wish to condemn him he looks like he may have lived a sheltered life.perhaps mum and dad too busy to spend time with him....I would like to think there is a lot of help out there for him as well.........

sexual abuse allegations have a much higher likelyhood than other crimes of being found falsely reported. Child sexual abuse allegations  for example are quite often fabricated by women  in child custody battles. 

[quote author=JaSin link=1603434523/19#19 ]

When you investigate claims made by Children, you must always investigate the adult influences around them - even if they are adults supporting the children's wellbeing.[/quote]yes, but I would add especially if they are adults supporting the children's wellbeing.

This is an extremely difficult situation.  While there are special interview techniques used with children, it can be very difficult to separate fact from perception (note I did not say fiction) . However in a situation where a persons freedom and reputation are at stake the child must be interviewed and the defence team allowed to see that interview and have questions of their own asked of the child.

Not pleasant for anyone, however it must be done.

I have a Client that is involved in a nasty spiteful fight over her kid with her ex. Both sling lies and cry victimhood. Both ignore the advise of Professional support systems (even if they take the taxpayer's money of course via benefits) - and its just going to get worse.

The kid has a few options:
a) Do what Daddy says
b) Do what Mummy says
---> Both of whom only have their selfish needs as a priority and not that of the kid's.
c) Do what 'God' (the System) says like a newly born 'Orphan' and maybe, if 'God' treats him 'professionally' - he might just survive all this.
---> if the System fails him too. Then he really has no hope and will end up in Prison.

There is really not much out there for kids jilted by parent's who really 'don't care' and take 'adult' responsibility for having kids. Ward of the State, Orphanages, etc - are really very spartan efforts.
Both parent's would exploit any 'compassion' shown by others, at a jump to offload another kid so they can have more with others (to which they can't afford, etc).

rhino wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 11:18pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 11:05pm: Very sad to hear, nine girls have come forward, where there's smoke there's fire. I bet this Kyle Daniels has himself suffered from sexual abuse in his younger years, not trying to defend him he should get the full force of the law for what he has done. And the girls should be counselled so they can recover from this episode in their life, because if they don't some of them may go on to commit the same thing in later life. lot of extrapolation on your part without adequate knowledge.

Yes I agree, but more often than not the perpetrators are damaged goods to start with.

the men are all here again- at least they are not being nasty yet?

I wonder if all this 'virtual reality', 'online existence' just detaches people from reality and brings out their inner idiot and monster which, in a fully face-to-face society, would be too ashamed and suppressed to manifest itself.

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 5:59pm:

I wonder if all this 'virtual reality', 'online existence' just detaches people from reality and brings out their inner idiot and monster which, in a fully face-to-face society, would be too ashamed and suppressed to manifest itself.

I am exactly online as I am in person.

rhino wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 11:11pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 5:59pm: I wonder if all this 'virtual reality', 'online existence' just detaches people from reality and brings out their inner idiot and monster which, in a fully face-to-face society, would be too ashamed and suppressed to manifest itself. I am exactly online as I am in person.

Take people out camping - away from all the 'gizmos'.
Watch the change after the first week.
...then 4 weeks later, after the 'need' for the gizmos of TV Media and Internet are long forgotten.
Then introduce them again and you'll see the change back almost instantly.

Their minds do become detached from the immediate surrounding reality and the people around them.

...its almost like when they put on a little gold 'precious' Ring and they just vanish before you.

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thank you set... seems to have worked.. :) :)

cods wrote on Oct 30^th, 2020 at 3:34pm:

thank you set... seems to have worked.. :) :)

You would make a good Mod here Cods. Then you could get rid of the posts and ban certain people.  ;)

https://7img.net/users/3715/71/50/82/smiles/2468717123.gif

hahaha   I am not a banner thats the trouble nef....I cant accuse others of abusing that rule and do it myself...

can you imagine mong and arsie  allowing ME to become a mod... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. talk about cat among the pigeons.

cods wrote on Oct 30^th, 2020 at 4:32pm:

hahaha   I am not a banner thats the trouble nef....I cant accuse others of abusing that rule and do it myself... can you imagine mong and arsie  allowing ME to become a mod... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. talk about cat among the pigeons.

Nothing to do with those jerks.

You wouldn't need to ban anyone, just tell them not to post here and if they didn't take that advice, report it to FD or a GMod and let them handle it.  ;)

mong has his heart set on Mothra...if this board becomes vacant..and we know what he is capeable of dont we?

cods wrote on Oct 30^th, 2020 at 5:40pm:

mong has his heart set on Mothra...if this board becomes vacant..and we know what he is capeable of dont we?

He would, she's one of his mongs. Annie Anthrax hasn't been around for ages and if she doesn't want it, perhaps either you or Agnes might take over?

Neferti wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 1:55pm:

cods wrote on Oct 30th, 2020 at 5:40pm: mong has his heart set on Mothra...if this board becomes vacant..and we know what he is capeable of dont we? He would, she's one of his mongs. Annie Anthrax hasn't been around for ages and if she doesn't want it, perhaps either you or Agnes might take over?

what about you nef?

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 4:33pm:

Neferti wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 1:55pm: cods wrote on Oct 30th, 2020 at 5:40pm: mong has his heart set on Mothra...if this board becomes vacant..and we know what he is capeable of dont we? He would, she's one of his mongs. Annie Anthrax hasn't been around for ages and if she doesn't want it, perhaps either you or Agnes might take over? what about you nef?

No, I don't want an MRB here.  8-)

your pretty bright and interesting nef....it could take your mind off the 3 stooges...

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/408x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fcraigsilver%2Ffiles%2F2012%2F12%2FThe-Three-Stooges-20121-300x225311.jpg

:)

Neferti wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 1:56pm:

:)

;)

you have to laugh at mong  doing his utmost to take over as many boards as he sees fit...

yet had a go at me   thinking I am after this one.....

what an ugly little toady he is....

wish fd would BAN HIM

cods wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2020 at 5:25pm:

you have to laugh at mong  doing his utmost to take over as many boards as he sees fit... yet had a go at me   thinking I am after this one..... what an ugly little toady he is.... wish fd would BAN HIM

His posts in this thread were removed and that should happen more often.  What would he know about Women's Issues anyway? Zilch!

Neferti wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2020 at 5:50am:

cods wrote on Nov 2nd, 2020 at 5:25pm: you have to laugh at mong  doing his utmost to take over as many boards as he sees fit... yet had a go at me   thinking I am after this one..... what an ugly little toady he is.... wish fd would BAN HIM His posts in this thread were removed and that should happen more often.  What would he know about Women's Issues anyway? Zilch!

I asked a gmod to remove them nef  mainly greg and his trump collection...... mong hasnt got a chance of understanding women

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