Samuel Paty beheading, in the wake of.....



Here are some of the many, immediate responses      ....from members of moslem communities resident in Europe [and Tunisia],
to the brutal murder of the French school teacher Samuel Paty......



If you are a person who still insists that the followers of ISLAM [who are living within WESTERN nations] are being maliciously misrepresented and misunderstood.....


For more detail, WWW search these title lines....


Quote:

France: Muslim students cheer burning of French flags in response to Muhammad cartoons Trotskyites: French ‘ruling elite’ is ‘whipping up an atmosphere of anti-Muslim hysteria’ in wake of jihad beheading Tunisia: MP glorifies the beheading of a French teacher for showing a Muhammad cartoon Sweden: Muslim migrant politician says criticism of Islam is a ‘dirty crime’ that ‘deserves punishment’ Editor of UK Muslim news site 5Pillars: ‘#CharlieHebdo must be shut down immediately by French authorities’ Muslims hail beheading of teacher who showed Muhammad cartoons as heroic: ‘A warning to all critics of Islam’ Islamic scholar: Main crime was not the beheading, but the insults to Muhammad, and ‘we are winning this front’ Turkey: TV host calls on Macron to ‘reexamine’ the freedom of speech and criminalize blasphemy against Islam Muslim mixed martial arts fighter praises Muslim who beheaded man over Muhammad cartoons as ‘hero of Islam’ France: Islamic preacher issued death fatwa against teacher who was beheaded for showing Muhammad cartoons

or find those title lines here....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/blasphemy



Also....,    some hope.....

WWW search....
France: Interior Minister wants to dissolve ‘anti-Islamophobia’ organization, calls it ‘enemy of the Republic’


Q.
Do you know what a 'flash in the pan' is ?

I hope that it isn't.


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CONSIDER;
These widespread responses to the brutal murder of French school teacher Samuel Paty, display how very 'dedicated', very many of the followers of ISLAM are, to support of their 'pushback' against any criticism of ISLAMIC 'ways'.


THE MESSAGE WHICH IS BEING COMMUNICATED BY THE 'SPOKESMEN' OF MOSLEM COMMUNITIES IN EUROPE, IS THIS;

'ISLAM is correct [i.e. ISLAM is virtuous, we are virtuous.].'

'Everyone else is in error, and/or, an oppressor of ISLAM and its followers.'



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Here is some information which is unrelated to the brutal murder of French school teacher Samuel Paty, in France...

WWW search....
Germany: Police statistics show that murder and manslaughter are mostly committed by asylum seekers


Q.
Why would that circumstance [fact] be so ???


A.
Because in the mosques of Europe, moslems are taught ISLAMIC precepts, from the contents of the Koran.


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you...."
- Koran

"When you meet the unbelievers (in battle), smite their necks until you have crushed them...."
- Koran


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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
http://www.infranken.de/storage/image/5/6/5/3/2673565_cms2image-fixedwidth-900x0_1pCjLB_n1lRiw.jpg

Imagine if the reaction to the the beheading of  Westerner by a Muslim was similar to the reaction to the death of George Floyd.

Peaceful protesters would be burning down mosques and coerce Muslims to renounce Islam on the streets.

These cartoons are a good idea, because Muslims have been hoodwinked so long, that finally having to face the truth is the first step in their freedom from these Gestapo-like mullahs and imams who have been brain-washing Muslims for far too long (1374 yrs)...

Maybe now Muslims will get the idea, that not only was Muhammad not a prophet, but he wasn't even a good human being. Muhammad raped, plundered and murdered, and he married a 6 yr old girl when he was in his 50's. He had everyone killed who disagreed with him. Muslims remain in denial about this guy....  He admitted twice in the Qur'an that he could do no miracles to show any divinity.  And Muhammad made no real prophecy.  In all the Qur'an Muhammad made only one (1) vague guess about the Romans winning some future battle; no time or place given.  That's it! One guess.  The real sad part is that Muslims are willing to, and gullible enough to bet their salvation on this guy.


Islam does not mean "Peace".   It means "Submission"!

Nobody is allowed to disagree with Islam... All MUST submit!



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The trouble is, there will always be radical muslims hiding in the so-called moderate muslim community in Western nations

The French didn't learn from the first attack on Charlie Hebdo. One day they might wake up

Your language betrays your Islamophobia.  "The so-called moderate population".  Really?  They are overwhelmingly moderate.  The number of Islamists can be counted on one hand in comparison to the majority of mainstream Muslims.    ::) ::)

Men arrested as part of investigation into child sexual exploitation in Bolton

16:18 19/10/2020

Twenty-one men have been arrested as part of investigation into child sexual exploitation in Bolton.

Last week (Thursday 15 October 2020) officers from GMP's Bolton division attended addresses in Bolton, Bury and Chorley where five men aged between 19 and 20 were arrested on suspicion of engaging in sexual activity with a female Child.

These arrests follow further action taken the previous week on Tuesday 6 October where eight men were taken to custody, also on suspicion of offences ranging from rape of a female child and engaging in sexual activity with a female child.

Eight arrests had already been made prior to this in relation to the operation - launched in June 2018 following reports of offences committed against teenage girls.

All 21 men - aged between 18 and 58 - have been released on bail with conditions.
https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2020/october/men-arrested-as-part-of-investigation-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-bolton/

They are other evils, beside beheading.  This has been going on for years across the UK and Europe. Why are Muslim men targeting white and sikh girls. Is this not systemic racism by Muslims?

A gang of over 50 Muslims was uncovered in Scotland in january.


2018

Grooming gangs abused more than 700 women and girls around Newcastle after police appeared to punish victims
'Sexual exploitation is happening in towns and cities across the country,' serious case review warns
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html


2016

It’s not only Germany that covers up mass sex attacks by migrant men... Sweden’s record is shameful
Stockholm police were warned not to give descriptions of the perpetrators lest they were accused of being racist





Crying islamophobia' is cowardly and immoral.

What is wrong with the sick leftards who apologize for islam all the time?

islamic terrorism is a global problem, why?

muslims are slaughtering non muslims globally, some places it is actually genocide muslims are carrying out, why?

muslim refugees are a global crime problem, why?

The answer is, the qur'an urges them to carry out their human rights atrocities, as a sacred duty of muslims against the non believers.

islam is a death cult, pure and simple.

While ever the qur'an exists in its' present form, the world will always experience islamic terrorism, rape, torture and mass slaughter, of the non believers by muslims.

The one and only answer to this problem is to tell the truth about islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, guns bombs and bullets are not the answer to the never ending islamic human rights atrocities.

The *moderates* know this is the only answer, but they refuse to be truthful as this will destroy islam in the process.

The lunatic leftards know this as well, so they in turn also refuse to be truthful about islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an.

Both of them prefer the status quo of islamic terrorism, rape, torture and mass slaughter, over telling the truth which while destroying the islamic human rights atrocities, will destroy islam at the exact same time.

How long before we decide to be truthful about islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an?

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Islamophobia writ large.  Tsk, tsk, didn't we learn anything from the antics of Tail Gunner Joe?  You cannot attack an entire type of people 'cause you will invariably attack the very people who support your views.   ::) ::)

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims?

Or are you just lying again?

moses wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again?

Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Christian Terrorists?


Currently, 27 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code.

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) - Al-Murabitun - Al-Qa'ida (AQ) - Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) - Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) - Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) - Al-Shabaab - Boko Haram - Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades - Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO) - Islamic State - Islamic State East Asia - Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya) - Islamic State Khorasan Province - Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai) - Islamic State Somalia - Islamic State West Africa Province - Jabhat Fatah al-Sham - Jaish-e-Mohammad - Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh - Jemaah Anshorut Daulah - Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) - Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) - Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Lashkar-e-Tayyiba - Palestinian Islamic Jihad

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​NATIONAL SECURITY HOTLINE 1800 123 400

I've included the phone number, please ring them with your secret knowledge, or are you lying once again snakemouth?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.
The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

The way things are in October, 2020.

Islam and the West: We must strike back or soon we’ll all be Samuel Paty
HENRY ERGAS

22      OCTOBER 2020
Samuel Paty, the French schoolteacher decapitated last Friday for showing his students a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed, did not lose his life in a clash of civilisations; he lost it in a clash between civilisation and barbarism.
And five years after the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and on the ¬Hypercacher supermarket, it is barbarism, not civilisation, that is steadily gaining ground.
To say that is not to underestimate the damage al-Qaeda and ISIS have suffered in recent years. Nor is it to ignore French President Emmanuel Macron’s firm -reaction to the latest outrage.
“Now,” he said the other day, “fear will change sides: it is the terrorists who will no longer sleep well at night.”
But even the steeliest resolve cannot disguise the fact that Islamic fundamentalism, which provides the seedbed from which the terrorists sprang, is even more deeply entrenched in the West today than it was in 2015.
Nowhere are the trends clearer than in France itself. As Bernard Rougier — an eminent scholar of Islamic society who heads the Sorbonne’s Centre for Arab and Oriental Studies — shows in a book published earlier this year, “the territories conquered by Islamism” in France and its near neighbours have expanded steadily, while Islamism’s stranglehold over those territories has become stronger and more unshakeable.
Rougier does not present the Islamists as a monolithic bloc; rather, he highlights their diversity, as well as the intense rivalry between them. And he also shows that instead of weakening them, competition has made the Islamists stronger, eliminating the poorer performers and forcing the stronger to innovate constantly.
But while they compete ruthlessly, the Islamists share a common goal: to create, in the areas they control, “total societies” in which every contact between individual Muslims and the social world confirms their sense of apartness, heightens their perception of being besieged by an “impure” West and intensifies their commitment to the Islamist cause.
At the same time, by imposing a suffocating conformism, the Islamists seek — almost always successfully — to drive non-Muslims out of those areas, narrowing the cultural influences to which their inhabitants are exposed and creating an echo chamber in which Islamist rhetoric is constantly ¬reaffirmed and magnified.
A portrait of French teacher Samuel Paty is projected onto the facade of the Hotel de Region in Montpellier this week. Picture: AFP
Macron has described the Islamists’ program as a form of separatism. But their objective is not to secede from the West; it is to destroy it and build a House of Islam on its smouldering remains.
Few things are more important to them, in the pursuit of that goal, than undermining the education system’s capacity to promote the values of freedom of thought and of expression.
The extent of their efforts has been chillingly highlighted by Jean-Pierre Obin, an enormously influential former Inspector-¬General of National Education, in a book that appeared merely weeks before Paty’s murder.
A lifelong man of the left who spent his youth helping the newly independent Algeria to rebuild, Obin is hardly a supporter of Marine Le Pen. But as he demonstrates in compelling detail, the Islamists and their fellow travellers have launched attack after attack on the school teachers who defend the “liberty, equality and fraternity” that have always been his lodestar. And instead of abating since 2015, the scale and virulence of those attacks has increased.
The crucial factor is that the Islamists have learned to imitate the tactics pioneered by #metoo and Black Lives Matter. Previously, their campaigns focused on generic issues, such as the ban on headscarfs. Now, helped by front organisations — such as the Collective Against Islamophobia in France (CCIF) — they target individual teachers, especially those who are Jewish, launching massive campaigns of demonisation on social media.
The CCIF-supported campaign that precipitated Paty’s murder should therefore have come as no surprise; nor should it be surprising that in the wake of that atrocity, so many teachers have disclosed instances in which they, too, felt threatened.
The effects Obin documents of the systematic intimidation are stark: over half the state school teachers in predominantly Muslim areas regularly self-censor the curriculum, glossing over the required topics — such as the Holocaust, the conflict in the Middle East, the right to freedom of religion and of expression and the importance of equality between the sexes — which most frequently trigger noisy protests by Muslim students and carefully ¬orchestrated allegations of Islamophobia from their parents.
Meanwhile, in the rapidly growing Islamic schools — which, as a condition of their generous taxpayer funding, should be following the national curriculum — teaching of those topics is often distorted beyond recognition.
The results are apparent in a large-scale survey, conducted three months ago, of France’s young Muslims, which found that nearly half regard upholding Islamic values as more important than preserving freedom of religion, thought and expression. And with more than a quarter refusing to condemn the 2015 terror attacks, the prospects for a peaceful future seem all too bleak.

No one believes these problems lend themselves to easy solutions. What is clear, however, is that the standard response of governments, including our own — which involves reaching out to ¬Islamic leaders after each terror attack, while vastly increasing spending on community programs in areas with significant Muslim populations — is deeply counterproductive.
Rougier’s findings confirm the conclusions of French socialist Malek Boutih’s official report on the 2015 terrorist attacks: rather than undermine the Islamists’ position, the torrents of poorly monitored public funding have gifted them a host of readily captured revenue sources, thus boosting their organisational capabilities.
As for the prominence governments accord to religious leaders, it has entrenched Islam’s role as the community’s point of reference, making it even easier and more rewarding for disciplined Islamists to displace their generally ineffectual moderate rivals.
With the grim reality of last Friday’s murder sinking in, Macron appears to have recognised these policy failures, relying instead on tough-minded deterrence as the primary response. Claiming there will be no more “trembling hands”, his government seems set to ban the Anti-¬Islamophobia Collective, along with up to 50 other Islamic organisations and “charities”, close several mosques (including one whose iman welcomed the beheading of “a blasphemer”), deport a host of Islamists and strictly monitor Islamic schools.
What will come of those commitments remains to be seen. But we, too, need to reconsider our approach before more grisly attacks soil our streets. After all, from Sydney’s Lakemba to Melbourne’s Broadmeadows, the Islamists are quietly building up positions every bit as impregnable as those they now hold in Paris’s Aubervilliers and Brussels’ Molenbeek.
Faced with that threat, the Peter Pan strategy — close your eyes and wish really hard — promises one thing and one thing only: tomorrow, we will all be Samuel Paty.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/islam-and-the-west-we-must-strike-back-or-soon-well-all-be-samuel-paty/news-story/819a11ed49c1d2ccd7b19af38f3a08c5

Ergas is always worth reading.

Henry Ergas AO is an economist who spent many years at the OECD in Paris before returning to Australia. He has taught at a number of universities, including Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the University of Auckland and the École Nationale de la Statistique et de l'Administration Économique in Paris, served as Inaugural Professor of Infrastructure Economics at the University of Wollongong and worked as an adviser to companies and governments.

It's not enough to go lay some flowers and light some candles, BAN THEM, shut them down.

Macron seems to be catching on.

Australian politicians bring these people in by the hundreds of thousands, they are festering and multiplying.

"We will decide who comes here and the circumstances under which they come"  we meaning the politicians who answer to political correctness.

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it.

No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::)


Quote:

The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day.

Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 12:36pm:

Your language betrays your Islamophobia. "The so-called moderate population". Really? They are overwhelmingly moderate.

Moslems....

"They are overwhelmingly moderate."


That is an absurd claim.


A 'real' moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

And a honest moslem, is as rare, as a unicorn.




ARGUMENT;
If the moslem is choosing to conceal from you [at this time], his malevolent intent, towards you and those you love,
the moslem, cannot in any honest sense, claim to be a 'moderate' [or a benign] person.


THE TRUTH;
A moslem is a person who chooses to be a follower of ISLAM.

And moslem is a person who publicly declares himself to be, a follower of ISLAM.

And every 'moslem' is choosing this path,      ....even when it can be plainly and easily proven,
...that ISLAM is a philosophy whose religious texts promote hatred of non-moslems,
and declare, that the followers of ISLAM will be rewarded by Allah, when they fight and kill those people, who have rejected ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And it is a philosophy whose religious texts, describe those who reject ISLAM, as "the friends of Satan".


QUESTION;
In what sense, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy which [plainly] preaches violent religious bigotry, a 'moderate' person ?



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"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

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"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

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MY ARGUMENT; 1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM. 2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law. And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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AN ALARMING REVELATION, showing how moslems [living within Western nations] are choosing to promote the hateful precepts of ISLAM, to their own young children....

'The followers of ISLAM do this everywhere'                        [....initiate violence/warfare, whenever the local non-moslems are weak or weak minded]
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1557099706/0#0


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1602884178/6#6

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it. No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::) Quote: The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day. Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

There is no Muslim reinterpretation.
The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Bertie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 7:20pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it. No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::) Quote: The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day. Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) There is no Muslim reinterpretation. The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that?

Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha.  They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God."  Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell.  Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes.  Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Should a muslim who supports the death penalty for apostates and homosexuals be considered moderate?

If a muslim supports death for blasphemy or insulting Muhammad are they moderates or extremists?

Brian claims to be an expert on Islam because he had a muslim friend, using Brians logic i am an expert on Christianity because i have christian friends yet have never read the bible.

We have a thread on Brians spineless apologetics here where he supports the islamic death penalty for atheists. I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes.  ::) ::) ::)
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233325

Some religions try to keep up with the times, others cut peoples heads off and dress their women in Burkas.

Brainwashed retarded dependant violent ....

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.

What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question?

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:38pm: Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:49am:

freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:23am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:38pm: Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question? You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours.   ::) ::)

Ah, so it was a loaded question?

Should a Christian who supports the death penalty for non-believers and homosexuals be considered moderate?

If a Christian supports death for blasphemy or insulting Yahweh are they moderates or extremists?

Baron claims to be an expert on Islam because he has no Muslim friends, using Baron's logic i am an expert on Islam because i have Muslim friends and I have never read the Koran.

We have a thread on spineless apologetics here where he supports the Christian death penalty for atheists. I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes.  ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 9:49am: freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:23am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:38pm: Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  What about the actual religions. How do you think they compare Brian? Or is that a loaded question? You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours.   ::) ::) Ah, so it was a loaded question?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours.   ::) ::)

Do you need me to tell you what you think Brian?

Are you really a Jehovah's Witness FD? :-?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 9:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 7:20pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it. No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::) Quote: The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day. Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) There is no Muslim reinterpretation. The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that? Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha.  They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God."  Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell.  Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes.  Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

This beheading js an instance of institutional hatred of Westerners by Muslims.

These should be demonstrations in front of mosques. Western Lives Matter.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

....Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny. ....Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.

I don't think so brian.




brian,

When you speak of     Conservative Christians,     are you perhaps referring to people like myself ?

I'm no extremist brian.            [unless you believe that having a liking, for reading the bible, is a 'marker' for extremism ??]

Also brian, i don't [and wouldn't] threaten to kill people who do not believe as i believe.

Who does that brian ?   Who threatens to kill disbelievers ?    Oh yeah.....i remember now !



In fact, you may have noticed, that from time to time, i will often ALSO post this [below] in the same thread [if i feel that i may have posted something a little 'provocative'].


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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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Who does that brian ?

Who threatens to kill disbelievers ?    Oh yeah.....i remember now !




THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06



ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

Do you need me to tell you what you think Brian?

You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:11pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 10:32am: Do you need me to tell you what you think Brian? You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. ::) ::)

Mine first. You wait your turn Brian. >:(
Mine has more relevance - it will be like cutting the head of the snake to all the questions everyone has asked of FD.  :D

Jasin wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:11pm: freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 10:32am: Do you need me to tell you what you think Brian? You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. ::) ::) Mine first. You wait your turn Brian. >:( Mine has more relevance - it will be like cutting the head of the snake to all the questions everyone has asked of FD.  :D

I have no idea what you are thinking Jasin. Brian's answer is easy: nothing. He is working on his copy and paste skills though.

Bertie wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

This beheading js an instance of institutional hatred of Westerners by Muslims. These should be demonstrations in front of mosques. Western Lives Matter.

Quite so

And let's remember that while Brian rejects a blanket approach to all muslims for the crimes of a few, he's not backward in supporting socialist policies that blanket the whole population

Some of his favorite blanket policies ...

Gun control
Compulsory Third Party insurance
Compulsory voting
Non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:54pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 11:36am: This beheading js an instance of institutional hatred of Westerners by Muslims. These should be demonstrations in front of mosques. Western Lives Matter. Quite so And let's remember that while Brian rejects a blanket approach to all muslims for the crimes of a few, he's not backward in supporting socialist policies that blanket the whole population Some of his favorite blanket policies ... Gun control Compulsory Third Party insurance Compulsory voting Non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration

I don't know where you getting your ideas about my views from.

Gun control - until gun owners are willing to demonstrate that they are sane and can safely control firearms, they are limited to what types of firearms they are allowed to be licensed to own.  I see nothing wrong with that approach.  It is not blanket and it is not universal.  Cat-D licenses are available to those who can demonstrate a need for semi-automatic firearms.

Compulsory third party insurance.  I doubt many Australians are disinterested in third party insurance being compulsory - you want a car and you want to drive it on public roads you need to be insured against personal damage.

Compulsory voting - we do not, despite the Government rhetoric to the contrary have "compulsory voting" in Australia.  We have compulsory attendance at the polling booth.  You are not required to accept a ballot paper or to even vote.  No one stands over your shoulder and makes you vote.

Non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration - only Racists and Xenophobes want to see a return to the bad old days.  Are you one?  I'm not.  I believe all peoples are equal, no matter what the colour of their skin, their political views or their religious ones.  The White Australia policy is long dead.   Do you want a return to the bad old days?  Really?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:54pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 11:36am: This beheading js an instance of institutional hatred of Westerners by Muslims. These should be demonstrations in front of mosques. Western Lives Matter. Quite so And let's remember that while Brian rejects a blanket approach to all muslims for the crimes of a few, he's not backward in supporting socialist policies that blanket the whole population Some of his favorite blanket policies ... Gun control Compulsory Third Party insurance Compulsory voting Non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration I don't know where you getting your ideas about my views from. Gun control - until gun owners are willing to demonstrate that they are sane and can safely control firearms, they are limited to what types of firearms they are allowed to be licensed to own.  I see nothing wrong with that approach.  It is not blanket and it is not universal.  Cat-D licenses are available to those who can demonstrate a need for semi-automatic firearms. Compulsory third party insurance.  I doubt many Australians are disinterested in third party insurance being compulsory - you want a car and you want to drive it on public roads you need to be insured against personal damage. Compulsory voting - we do not, despite the Government rhetoric to the contrary have "compulsory voting" in Australia.  We have compulsory attendance at the polling booth.  You are not required to accept a ballot paper or to even vote.  No one stands over your shoulder and makes you vote. Non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration - only Racists and Xenophobes want to see a return to the bad old days.  Are you one?  I'm not.  I believe all peoples are equal, no matter what the colour of their skin, their political views or their religious ones.  The White Australia policy is long dead.   Do you want a return to the bad old days?  Really?   ::) ::)

Perhaps Brian is capable of exercising independent thought on any topic except Islam.

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 1:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:11pm: freediver wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 10:32am: Do you need me to tell you what you think Brian? You answer my questions, FD and I might answer yours. ::) ::) Mine first. You wait your turn Brian. >:( Mine has more relevance - it will be like cutting the head of the snake to all the questions everyone has asked of FD.  :D I have no idea what you are thinking Jasin. Brian's answer is easy: nothing. He is working on his copy and paste skills though.

*Jasin: doing an impersonation of Aussie the Taxi Lawyer

Don't deflect FD. I found a Topic where you were questioned by Zoso and Oceanz_Blue among others about you being a Jehovah's Witness and back then your were raw and uncut like before a circumcision. Come now FD - Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Failure to give a Yes or No answer will see you burn in the enternal fires of a Catholic Hell.

There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements.

Enough of this bloody mayhem.


Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020.

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 6:34pm:

There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020.

frank,

I agree with what you are saying.

And i believe that as more and more people living in the West, come to realise the malevolent intentions [towards their hosts], of local moslem communities, there will be a growing outcry against this MALEVOLENT 'PATHOGEN', festering and growing among us.



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This is the solution which i favour, and i outline the reasons why i do.....

QUARANTINE WORKS!!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34


and....
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0


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ARGUMENT;
If the followers of ISLAM want to fight and murder people, because other people [non-moslems] do not believe, as they [moslems] believe,
then i propose, that we allow moslems to behave in such a way,
IN THEIR OWN HOMELANDS [just as they have been doing, for 1,400 years].
[send them back to those ISLAMIC homelands.]

But we [in the West] should not be compelled, to tolerate the followers of ISLAM behaving in such criminal, and in such wantonly violent and murderous ways, here, in the West.




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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 6:34pm:

There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020.

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 7:23pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:34pm: There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:23pm: Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:34pm: There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:23pm: Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:34pm: There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::)

Very sad, actually tsk tsk. Spastics like you have bullied Australians from exercising our democratic right to have a say on our government's immigration policies.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::)

Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own?

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:23pm: Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:34pm: There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::) Very sad, actually tsk tsk. Spastics like you have bullied Australians from exercising our democratic right to have a say on our government's immigration policies.

Surely you vote, Hammer?  You therefore have a say in what the Government does by choosing a candidate that reflects your viewpoint.  If you don't vote, you only have yourself to blame...   ::) ::)

rhino wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:32pm: Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::) Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own?

Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:57am:

We have a thread on spineless apologetics here where he supports the Christian death penalty for atheists.

Is the death penalty a Christian idea?



Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2020 at 9:57am:

I wonder if Brian would call apostates from these countries islamophobes.  ::) ::)

Huh?  :o

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2020 at 10:38pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 9:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 7:20pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it. No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::) Quote: The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day. Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) There is no Muslim reinterpretation. The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that? Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha.  They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God."  Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell.  Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes.  Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

I have never heard of a Christian beheading a Muslim school teacher. Nor have you.

Your treating the two as if they were the same is completely unsupportable by facts.

Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 10:38pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 9:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 7:20pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:26pm: moses wrote on Oct 24th, 2020 at 3:20pm: Could you tell us where are the muslims, who are calling for the qur'an to be changed, in order to stop the global problem we face with fundamentalist muslims? Or are you just lying again? Nope.  They, like Christians just reinterpret what their prophet(s) said, Moses.  You completely ignore half of the Bible when it suits you.  You know, the "Old Testament" that driving force of so many Christian Terrorists?   Oh, dearie, dearie, me, caught out again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never seen a reinterpretation of the Koran, probably because, being eternal and unchangeable, no believing Muslim would ever think of updating it. No updating is required.  All that is required is a reinterpretation and a re-emphasis on the peaceful aspects of the writing, exactly as most Christians have done.  Since WWII, Christians have forgotten the warrior aspects of their religion.  In WWI, Germany had "Got mit uns" on the belt buckles of their troops, "God with us".  Germany once referred to it's own troops as "huns" when they attacked China during the Boxer Rebellion.  The French, the British, all preached about "warrior spirit" from the Pulpit quite happily.  It is amazing how short sighted your memory is, Agatha...   ::) ::) Quote: The Bible, not having such restrictions, spawns reformations every other day. Except in those believers who have read and understood the messages contained in the Old Testament, an integral part of every Bible.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) There is no Muslim reinterpretation. The Koran is not open to reinterpretation, being eternal and unchangeable, Allah's word from the beginning to all eternity.. How do you 'reinterpret' that? Same thing happens amongst conservative Christians, Agatha.  They're particularly fond of the King James version of the Bible, seeing it as "inspired by God."  Personally, I prefer the King Charles version which was largely destroyed by Oliver Cromwell.  Conservative Christians are so much like Conservative Muslims, it really isn't funny.  They both seek harsh punishments for relatively minor crimes.  Funny that, you could interchange them and not really notice all that difference.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) I have never heard of a Christian beheading a Muslim school teacher. Nor have you.

Oh, I agree, Agatha, completely.  How about Christians killing Muslims for well, being Muslims?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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Your treating the two as if they were the same is completely unsupportable by facts.

No, the point I am making is that the two are, "similar".  You do understand the difference between, "identical" and "similar", don't you, Agatha.  Use Google if you want...   ::) ::)

The qur'an is riddled with commands to rape torture and slaughter non believers.

There are no teachings of Christ which urge rape, torture and mass slaughter of non believers.

Why do you lie all the time snakemouth?

Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’.

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Bertie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:40pm:

Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’.

Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  I'd much rather that the Intelligence Services and the Police were targeting that, "one terrorists" and his supporters, rather than spending endless hours wasting their time following moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims all over the countryside.  Australia is unique, we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems, not on the moderate, law-abiding, non-violent Muslims.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems

White flag accepted

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:32pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 7:23pm: Frank wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 6:34pm: There should be an INSTITUTIONAL, SOCIETAL and UNEQUIVOCAL rejection of all and every Islamic demands on the West's social and political life. There should be a POLITICAL Cronulla riot and unequivocal and forceful rejection of Islam's demands on the West's social and political arrangements. Enough of this bloody mayhem. Muslims should be put under the pump for letting this happen. It is NEVER a 'lone loon'. The Muslims of the West cultivate this. Time to squeeze their balls really hard. There is NO EXCUSE for this in 2020. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Typical of your fascist sympathies, Soren.  You would render Muslims second class citizens and render the concepts of tolerance as espoused in Multiculturalism as being pointless.  Muslims, if Australian citizens have as much right as you have, to work to change Australia and it's society to better reflect what they desire it to be.  Not all Muslims are Islamists, despite what you might believe.  Most Muslims are peaceful, moderate and law-abiding individuals.  I just wish you were.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ...and us Anglo-saxon, Christians have the right to democratically exercise our right to not have them here in our country without being labelled wacist tsk tsk Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::) Very sad, actually tsk tsk. Spastics like you have bullied Australians from exercising our democratic right to have a say on our government's immigration policies. Surely you vote, Hammer?  You therefore have a say in what the Government does by choosing a candidate that reflects your viewpoint.  If you don't vote, you only have yourself to blame...   ::) ::)

The Left have an open door policy. The Right have a slightly closed door policy. Neither approach appeals to me.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 12:02pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:32pm: Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::) Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own? Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles.
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Skill – designed to improve the productive capacity of the economy and fill skill shortages in the labour market, including those in regional Australia. The majority of the places in the program are in the Skill stream (79,600 places in 2020-21, 50.7 per cent of the program).
Family – is predominately made up of Partner visas, enabling Australians to reunite with family members from overseas, and provide them with pathways to citizenship (77,300 places in 2020-21, 49.2 per cent of the program).
Special Eligibility – this covers visas for those in special circumstances. This can include permanent residents returning to Australia after a period away, and is the smallest stream (100 places in 2020-21).
At least 3,000 Child places will be available in 2020-21.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels

For every 'skilled' migrant (the guy taking your money at the 7-11 petrol station - they are on graduate skilled visas)  there is another one with no skills but a womb and 3 kids, 4 to come.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:47pm:

The Left have an open door policy. The Right have a slightly closed door policy. Neither approach appeals to me.

Nor me.

Nice to Brian celebrating the beheading of Samuel Paty with even more vapid spineless apologising for Islam.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:00pm: Surely you vote, Hammer?  You therefore have a say in what the Government does by choosing a candidate that reflects your viewpoint.  If you don't vote, you only have yourself to blame...   ::) ::) The Left have an open door policy. The Right have a slightly closed door policy. Neither approach appeals to me.

So, you don't vote?  You naughty, naughty boy and you still complain.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: rhino wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:32pm: Depends, Hammer are they from a different "race" to the dominant, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic group?  If they are a different religion, it is a Sectarian matter.  Australian has already suffered from that divide, between Catholics and Protestants until the 1960s and has since jettisoned it.  Perhaps that is a clue for you to follow up?  Australians appear unwilling to re-exercise that division.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::) Do you decide who comes in to your house Brian? Or do you just say, I want 10 people over for dinner tonight, will open the doors and pick 10 people at random? or do you invite people over whose views and values coincide with your own? Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Nice to Brian celebrating the beheading of Samuel Paty with even more vapid spineless apologising for Islam.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like you're peeking out from under your bridge again, FD.  Tsk, tsk.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Really?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 7:26pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 9:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here

Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs.

I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey?

Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 9:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs. I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs.

Served with them? What do you pull pints wth them at the Uni bar?

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 11:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 9:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs. I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs. Served with them? What do you pull pints wth them at the Uni bar?

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I had a baggy green skin for 10 years.  What have you ever done for Australia except to be a troll?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 11:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 9:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs. I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs. Served with them? What do you pull pints wth them at the Uni bar? https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I had a baggy green skin for 10 years.  What have you ever done for Australia except to be a troll?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Fuel requisitioner for the Reserves? You're my hero.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.

That's right, good on ya




Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.

They don't have to worry about religion because it's the potential for violence that is the concern, and that's why the AFP is on the job, tracking those guys who might commit terrorist acts



Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

We don't need Islamist terrorists in Australia. Why would you want them here?



Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.

Don't assume I haven't interacted with Muslims, I worked with several, I was taunted when they found out I sent a sizable donation to Pauline's lawyers to help with her appeal against her shaky conviction. Of course you know she was successful in that. It was a test for those johnny-come-lately muslims, rather than maintain good workplace relations, they became hostile, all over a donation to help a woman out, but then again, we know what muslim men think of women, especially Aussie women, the Skaf brothers will tell you all about them

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 11:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 9:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs. I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs. Served with them? What do you pull pints wth them at the Uni bar? https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I had a baggy green skin for 10 years.  What have you ever done for Australia except to be a troll?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Fuel requisitioner for the Reserves? You're my hero.

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Oh, dearie, dearie me.  You have failed to answer the question asked of you, Hammer.  Stop sneaking out from under your bridge and face up to what is required of you like a man, not a Troll.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 1:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly. That's right, good on ya

Why?  Because I recognise a small problem exists especially for Islamophobes who make no effort to differentiate Muslims from Islamists?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder. They don't have to worry about religion because it's the potential for violence that is the concern, and that's why the AFP is on the job, tracking those guys who might commit terrorist acts

When they are informed who needs watching by the ordinary, everyday, moderate, law- abiding Muslims who you seek to lump in with the Islamists.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We don't need Islamist terrorists in Australia. Why would you want them here?

Where have I suggested I want them here?  Erecting a strawman argument?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::)


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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims. Don't assume I haven't interacted with Muslims, I worked with several, I was taunted when they found out I sent a sizable donation to Pauline's lawyers to help with her appeal against her shaky conviction. Of course you know she was successful in that. It was a test for those johnny-come-lately muslims, rather than maintain good workplace relations, they became hostile, all over a donation to help a woman out, but then again, we know what muslim men think of women, especially Aussie women, the Skaf brothers will tell you all about them

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You mean you donated a few dollars to the what was required by a millionairess  to avoid the consequences of her actions?  A woman who was so stupid she didn't understand the consequences of signing a piece of paper that lied about how many members her political party actually had?   A woman who was so pig ignorant that she needed the word, "Xenophobic" explained to her on TV?  A woman who has ridden a wave of Xenophobia and Racism which she managed to make it back into the Senate after not campaigning in several elections and pocketing the money the AEC gave to her?    Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Seems you got done, Bias.  Funny that, hey?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 2:08pm:

You mean you donated a few dollars to the what was required by a millionairess  to avoid the consequences of her actions?  A woman who was so stupid she didn't understand the consequences of signing a piece of paper that lied about how many members her political party actually had?   A woman who was so pig ignorant that she needed the word, "Xenophobic" explained to her on TV?  A woman who has ridden a wave of Xenophobia and Racism which she managed to make it back into the Senate after not campaigning in several elections and pocketing the money the AEC gave to her?    Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Seems you got done, Bias.  Funny that, hey?

That response was predictable, just supposition and conjecture, and it means nothing coming from a hostile socialist as you are

You're no better than the hostile muslims I worked with

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 2:08pm: You mean you donated a few dollars to the what was required by a millionairess  to avoid the consequences of her actions?  A woman who was so stupid she didn't understand the consequences of signing a piece of paper that lied about how many members her political party actually had?   A woman who was so pig ignorant that she needed the word, "Xenophobic" explained to her on TV?  A woman who has ridden a wave of Xenophobia and Racism which she managed to make it back into the Senate after not campaigning in several elections and pocketing the money the AEC gave to her?    Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Seems you got done, Bias.  Funny that, hey? That response was predictable, just supposition and conjecture, and it means nothing coming from a hostile socialist as you are

Ah, so speaking the truth is something you don't like facing, Bias?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


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You're no better than the hostile muslims I worked with

I think Pauline started the hostility and you've just followed suit, Bias.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs.

Some of the beheaders are on watch list but most aren't. So there is no 'baby', it's all bathwater.

Supporting the Mujahadeen IN Afghanistan because they are killing your enemy over their  is not the same as importing them here so they can kill us - who are just as much their enemy as our enemies were back then - infidels.


Adherence to Islam is incompatible with openness and freedoms. Samuel Paty would be alive today if it was compatible. So would countless other Western, African, Asian victims of Islamic barbarians who have been killed by Muslims  - yes, Muslims, not 'Islamists' - in 'defence' of Islam and Mohammed.

Just imagine what your reaction would be If Westerners defended their beliefs and values with the same conviction and intolerant fury and savagery as Muslims kill and terrorise non-Muslims in the name of defending their Islam.

But the West is not barbaric like Muslims. There would be NO Muslims in the West if Westerners behaved and reacted like Muslims. Yet you still blame the West and defend Muslim barbarity.  Muslims are not persecuted by anyone in the West. Disdain and criticism are not 'persecution'. Exaggerating like an eotionally incontinent Muslim doesn't make your charges of 'persecution' and 'Islamophobia' valid or credible.
BECAUSE there is no persecution and islamohobia is why nothing ever happens except more and more Muslim atrocities in the West.

Maybe it is time to make make Muslims accountable for what happens in their name. They facilitate Islamic terrorist - or is it you, Bbwian, white Western agitator for Islamic separatism??

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 4:44pm:

Ah, so speaking the truth is something you don't like facing, [to OzPol poster]? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Here [below] we have Brian_Ross,     setting an example to other posters on OzPol, about the importance of truth and honesty.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1603191255/5#5

Frank wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 5:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs. Some of the beheaders are on watch list but most aren't. So there is no 'baby', it's all bathwater.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Typical blanket response, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  I reckon all Immigrants should be expelled from Australia.  There is the gangway, off you go.  Remember, I grew here, you flew here, mate.     ::) ::)


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Supporting the Mujahadeen IN Afghanistan because they are killing your enemy over their  is not the same as importing them here so they can kill us - who are just as much their enemy as our enemies were back then - infidels.

Really?  And there I was always under the impression that the Mujahadeen were heroes.  Heroes that you supported, Soren.   BTW, the word is "there", not "their", your talking about a location, not a person.  I suppose that English isn't your native language, is it, mate.  ::)


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Adherence to Islam is incompatible with openness and freedoms. Samuel Paty would be alive today if it was compatible. So would countless other Western, African, Asian victims of Islamic barbarians who have been killed by Muslims  - yes, Muslims, not 'Islamists' - in 'defence' of Islam and Mohammed.

And yet it wasn't one of his students who murdered him, Soren.  It was one of your sort, a filthy Immigrant.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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Just imagine what your reaction would be If Westerners defended their beliefs and values with the same conviction and intolerant fury and savagery as Muslims kill and terrorise non-Muslims in the name of defending their Islam.

They would be as ignorant and as foolish as Islamists are, Soren.  As ignorance and as foolish as Immigrants are about Australia's way of life.  You obviously need a massive transfusion of Australianness.   ::)


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But the West is not barbaric like Muslims. There would be NO Muslims in the West if Westerners behaved and reacted like Muslims. Yet you still blame the West and defend Muslim barbarity.  Muslims are not persecuted by anyone in the West. Disdain and criticism are not 'persecution'. Exaggerating like an eotionally incontinent Muslim doesn't make your charges of 'persecution' and 'Islamophobia' valid or credible. BECAUSE there is no persecution and islamohobia is why nothing ever happens except more and more Muslim atrocities in the West.

What you do is persecution, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, remember you flew here, I grew here.  Time to think about that gangplank, hey?   ::)


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Maybe it is time to make make Muslims accountable for what happens in their name. They facilitate Islamic terrorist - or is it you, Bbwian, white Western agitator for Islamic separatism??

Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 1:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:24pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:20pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:56pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 9:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:26pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 4:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: we have excellent counter-terrorism efforts, they spend their time on the Islamists who might cause problems White flag accepted https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Well at least you're willing to admit there's Islamists who might cause problems, so that's a good start - but why do we need Islamists in Australia who might cause problems ?, that's the point we're making, and also why the police need to be searching for them day in day out. It would be better if those potential trouble makers weren't here in the first place. With the experience that the Immigration Dept has, it shouldn't be to hard to weed them out before they even come here Many Islamists develop their views WRT to Islamism as they grow older and enter adolescence.  The often come under the sway of Imams who hold, shall we say, "peculiar" views WRT to Islam and how Muslims should interact with non-believers.  Now, if Immigration asked the right questions and weeded out the Imams with those views then the threat from Islamists would decrease markedly.  However, as the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere with religion or religious beliefs, it becomes a whole lot harder.   Then you have the group which sounds off bit never implements their beliefs. I have always said that Islamist Terrorists are a problem but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Most Muslims are mature enough and intelligent enough to not want what the Islamists are peddling.  We should cultivate those people, rather than just damn them all as Jihadi Terrorists.   I remember 30 years ago, most right-wingers were happy to support the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  Guess what the root word for Mujahideen is?  It is Jihad.  Funny that, hey? Unlike Agatha and yourself, I have had considerable interaction with Muslims.  I have served with/studied with/worked with them.  They have been in the main, law-abiding, well behaved, moderate people.  I do not see the reason to persecute them for their religious beliefs. Served with them? What do you pull pints wth them at the Uni bar? https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I had a baggy green skin for 10 years.  What have you ever done for Australia except to be a troll?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Fuel requisitioner for the Reserves? You're my hero. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie me.  You have failed to answer the question asked of you, Hammer.  Stop sneaking out from under your bridge and face up to what is required of you like a man, not a Troll.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ.

Macron is standing by his guns, the Muslims had it coming.

Behead bepucked.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam.

Frank wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 7:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam.

And how likely are you to be "beheaded", Soren?  Realistically, for a change.  One in a hundred?  One in a thousand?  One in ten thousand?  One in a million?   Lets seem something other than ad huminen argument from you for a change...   ::)

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 7:08pm:

Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ.

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Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 8:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 8:41pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam. And how likely are you to be "beheaded", Soren?  Realistically, for a change.  One in a hundred?  One in a thousand?  One in ten thousand?  One in a million?   Lets seem something other than ad huminen argument from you for a change...   ::)

What was Samuel Paty's chance?

You talk as if beheadings on Western streets were like lightning, not conscious acts by the sons of Mohammed.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 5:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::)

I gave you the evidence, Bbwian, with the link to the DHA report on immigration levels and categories. Publicly available information.


2020-21 Migration program planning levels
Stream and Category      2020-21
Skill stream
Employer Sponsored      22,000
Skilled Independent      6,500
Regional      11,200
​State/Territory Nominated      11,200
Business Innovation & Investment program      13,500
Global Talent  15,000
Distinguished Talent  200
Skill Total      79,600
Family Stream
Partner      72,300
Parent      4,500
Other Family      500
Family Total      77,300
Special Eligibility      100
Child (estimate; not subject to a ceiling)      3,000
Total      160,000
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27^th, 2020 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson

Generally, I agree however I don't portray myself as a patriot, except when I'm talking to a troll like yourself, Hammer.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 11:44am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam. And how likely are you to be "beheaded", Soren?  Realistically, for a change.  One in a hundred?  One in a thousand?  One in ten thousand?  One in a million?   Lets seem something other than ad huminen argument from you for a change...   ::) What was Samuel Paty's chance? You talk as if beheadings on Western streets were like lightning, not conscious acts by the sons of Mohammed.

So, all Muslims have a scimitar hidden in their turbans?  Really?  I think you need help, Soren.  Real help.  Call the men in their white coats with their butterfly nets...   ::)

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 12:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 5:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::) I gave you the evidence, Bbwian, with the link to the DHA report on immigration levels and categories. Publicly available information. 2020-21 Migration program planning levels Stream and Category      2020-21 Skill stream Employer Sponsored      22,000 Skilled Independent      6,500 Regional      11,200 ​State/Territory Nominated      11,200 Business Innovation & Investment program      13,500 Global Talent  15,000 Distinguished Talent  200 Skill Total      79,600 Family Stream Partner      72,300 Parent      4,500 Other Family      500 Family Total      77,300 Special Eligibility      100 Child (estimate; not subject to a ceiling)      3,000 Total      160,000 https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels

Still more skilled migrants than unskilled ones, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 1:58pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 5:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::) I gave you the evidence, Bbwian, with the link to the DHA report on immigration levels and categories. Publicly available information. 2020-21 Migration program planning levels Stream and Category      2020-21 Skill stream Employer Sponsored      22,000 Skilled Independent      6,500 Regional      11,200 ​State/Territory Nominated      11,200 Business Innovation & Investment program      13,500 Global Talent  15,000 Distinguished Talent  200 Skill Total      79,600 Family Stream Partner      72,300 Parent      4,500 Other Family      500 Family Total      77,300 Special Eligibility      100 Child (estimate; not subject to a ceiling)      3,000 Total      160,000 https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels Still more skilled migrants than unskilled ones, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Barely.

If I gave you a drink of half milk, half piss, you'd say it's still more milk, tsk, tsk - and drink it, wouldn't you, with eyes rolling.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 11:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam. And how likely are you to be "beheaded", Soren?  Realistically, for a change.  One in a hundred?  One in a thousand?  One in ten thousand?  One in a million?   Lets seem something other than ad huminen argument from you for a change...   ::) What was Samuel Paty's chance? You talk as if beheadings on Western streets were like lightning, not conscious acts by the sons of Mohammed. So, all Muslims have a scimitar hidden in their turbans?

You can't tell which one's do and which ones don't until the ones that do whip it out.

Islam is a conquering, not a quietist creed. It wants to dominate wherever it is. Once it has the numbers, it doesn't take an accommodating backward step, it presses its claims relentlessly. It is also coercive and cruel and closed-minded.

Islam is a blight on Muslim countries and doubly a blight on Western countries. It has brought no benefit to Muslims countries and has degraded Western ones.

I have been asking you the question for years and you have been scuttling away from it every time:

What benefit has Islam brought to any Western liberal democratic country?i

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 5:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:58pm: Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 5:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::) I gave you the evidence, Bbwian, with the link to the DHA report on immigration levels and categories. Publicly available information. 2020-21 Migration program planning levels Stream and Category      2020-21 Skill stream Employer Sponsored      22,000 Skilled Independent      6,500 Regional      11,200 ​State/Territory Nominated      11,200 Business Innovation & Investment program      13,500 Global Talent  15,000 Distinguished Talent  200 Skill Total      79,600 Family Stream Partner      72,300 Parent      4,500 Other Family      500 Family Total      77,300 Special Eligibility      100 Child (estimate; not subject to a ceiling)      3,000 Total      160,000 https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels Still more skilled migrants than unskilled ones, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Barely. If I gave you a drink of half milk, half piss, you'd say it's still more milk, tsk, tsk - and drink it, wouldn't you, with eyes rolling.

I know you'd prefer for the drink to be all piss, Soren.  It's how you roll.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Muslims in Bangladesh rioting over Macron and Muhammad cartoons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdYMGqoYEzc&list=PLPGifL5wOEZydk_jWkTypSemBrESBAnv7

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 5:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:57pm: Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 11:44am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Frank wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Some Muslims do.  Most Muslims don't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Can't tell them apart until they behead you.  That's the long and the short of it, confused, waffling little agitator for sharia Islam. And how likely are you to be "beheaded", Soren?  Realistically, for a change.  One in a hundred?  One in a thousand?  One in ten thousand?  One in a million?   Lets seem something other than ad huminen argument from you for a change...   ::) What was Samuel Paty's chance? You talk as if beheadings on Western streets were like lightning, not conscious acts by the sons of Mohammed. So, all Muslims have a scimitar hidden in their turbans?  You can't tell which one's do and which ones don't until the ones that do whip it out.

You really do have a strange idea about what can be hidden in a Turban, Soren.  Really strange.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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Islam is a conquering, not a quietist creed. It wants to dominate wherever it is. Once it has the numbers, it doesn't take an accommodating backward step, it presses its claims relentlessly. It is also coercive and cruel and closed-minded.

Yeah, sure.  Just like Christianity in that regard, hey?  Christianity seeks to change everywhere into a Christian nation.  Just have a look at Africa and South America. Montezuma and Atahualpa can tell you all about it.  Oh, wait, they are dead, killed by the Christian Conquistadors.   ::) ::)


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Islam is a blight on Muslim countries and doubly a blight on Western countries. It has brought no benefit to Muslims countries and has degraded Western ones.

You have evidence of that, Soren?  I have plenty of evidence of Christians committing Genocide in Latin America, in the Balkans, in Africa, in Asia, in Australia.  Seems Christianity is equally guilty IMO...   ::)

Meanwhile the facts are:

1/. People who commit human rights atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ. Christ himself said he did not know them, they are not Christians.

2/. muslims who commit human rights atrocities are 100% obeying the teachings of muhammad. muhammad urged and praised their deeds, they are muslims.

moses wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Meanwhile the facts are: 1/. People who commit human rights atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ. Christ himself said he did not know them, they are not Christians.

Funny, Moses, I can't think of a single Christian church that has excommunicated a single Christian because of their atrocities.  You know, the people who committed conquest, genocide, Terrorism, theft, murder, massacre, etc.?   Perhaps you're afraid it might happen to you, after all you endlessly enjoy persecuting Muslims simply for being, well, Muslims.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Oh gee pardon me, so sorry, decrying the evils of islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, which cause and motivate human rights atrocities on a daily scale around the globe, is persecuting muslims?

Muslims need to change their culture.

Why should the West take them in and try to tame them, we don't like head lopping stabbing in the neck blowing up or running over people culture while their Grand Mufters do nothing.

We take in people from Muslim countries that hate us, our politicians think a few people getting stabbed in the neck for religious reasons is the price we need to pay for non discriminatory multiculturalism.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 1:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson Generally, I agree however I don't portray myself as a patriot, except when I'm talking to a troll like yourself, Hammer.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Whatevs, Rimmer.

moses wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 8:55pm:

Oh gee pardon me, so sorry, decrying the evils of islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, which cause and motivate human rights atrocities on a daily scale around the globe, is persecuting muslims?

And yet you deny the blatant history of Christianity it the exact same atrocities that it has committed to further it's own conquest of the world.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

The candles have burned low and the flowers are wilting as we await the next teacher to have his head cut off by the Muslim faith.

We don't want them here.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson Generally, I agree however I don't portray myself as a patriot, except when I'm talking to a troll like yourself, Hammer.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Whatevs, Rimmer.

Sure thing, Birdman...   ::)

Johnnie wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 10:56pm:

The candles have burned low and the flowers are wilting as we await the next teacher to have his head cut off by the Muslim faith. We don't want them here.

Who are they?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 10:56pm: The candles have burned low and the flowers are wilting as we await the next teacher to have his head cut off by the Muslim faith. We don't want them here. Who are they?   ::)

The Muslims that's who. The crazy religion is spawning an alarming amount of head removers and alike.

It's not up to the West to deal with them, just keep them out.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 11:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 10:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson Generally, I agree however I don't portray myself as a patriot, except when I'm talking to a troll like yourself, Hammer.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Whatevs, Rimmer. Sure thing, Birdman...   ::)

Thanks, but I don't play the saxophone.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 11:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 11:04pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 10:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 8:42pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2020 at 7:08pm: Stop hiding behind faux patriotism. Playing army games in the Duke of Edinburgh doesn't make you more Australian, champ. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Still trolling, I see, Hammer.  What a shame, hey, I can prove my patriotism and you can't.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Samuel Johnson Generally, I agree however I don't portray myself as a patriot, except when I'm talking to a troll like yourself, Hammer.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Whatevs, Rimmer. Sure thing, Birdman...   ::) Thanks, but I don't play the saxophone.

You have a bird brain, named Pete, though...   ::) ::)

O.K, Arn. I mean Big Man. I mean Ace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkn6R4tUzl0

Spelling out what needs to be done.  Only  Islamists and their enablers could disagree with anything she said.

Declaration of the Rights of Man - 1789
Articles:

10. No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law.

11. The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law.


https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/rightsof.asp

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2020 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 5:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 1:58pm: Frank wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Frank wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 5:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:02pm: Immigrants are, despite what you appear to believe, chosen because of their skills or circumstances and are then invited to come into Australia.  If those skills or circumstances are not what they claim, they are then rejected.  Time you caught up with the realities of how Immigration works downunder.   Immigrants are not chosen at random.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Well, up to a point, bbwian. Half are skilled - the other half are non-assessed 'family' -wives in burqas who will never work and kids who dob teachers in to their grusome uncles. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223/yawning-face_1f971.png Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Really?  You have evidence of this, Soren?  Why haven't you presented it to the Immigration officials or the Police?  You really don't have any evidence, do you.  It is just your Islamophobia talking again.  Tsk, tsk.  Seek help, Soren.  Please.  Before it is too late.   ::) ::) I gave you the evidence, Bbwian, with the link to the DHA report on immigration levels and categories. Publicly available information. 2020-21 Migration program planning levels Stream and Category      2020-21 Skill stream Employer Sponsored      22,000 Skilled Independent      6,500 Regional      11,200 ​State/Territory Nominated      11,200 Business Innovation & Investment program      13,500 Global Talent  15,000 Distinguished Talent  200 Skill Total      79,600 Family Stream Partner      72,300 Parent      4,500 Other Family      500 Family Total      77,300 Special Eligibility      100 Child (estimate; not subject to a ceiling)      3,000 Total      160,000 https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels Still more skilled migrants than unskilled ones, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Barely. If I gave you a drink of half milk, half piss, you'd say it's still more milk, tsk, tsk - and drink it, wouldn't you, with eyes rolling. I know you'd prefer for the drink to be all piss, Soren.  It's how you roll.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

We are talking about your drink, Bbwian, don't try to feebly switch.

Anyways, What benefit has Islam brought to any Western liberal democratic country?

You have forgotten to say.

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And yet you deny the blatant history of Christianity it the exact same atrocities that it has committed to further it's own conquest of the world.  Tsk, tsk.

You conveniently forgot to be honest again snakemouth.

Everybody who has committed an atrocity against mankind has deliberately disobeyed the teachings of Christ, Jesus is the absolute authority on what constitutes Christianity.

Christ warned that many men would give their own commands as the doctrine of Christianity, He specifically stated that He does not recognize these workers of iniquity.

The reason you are dishonest with us is that you are apologizing for and supporting islamic human rights atrocities against the non believers.

Christ also warned that there would be liars who would deliberately lie in order to hate and persecute Christians.

So once again Christians can take heart from the fact that your lies are the living proof of the predictions in the Christian ism.

moses wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 3:52pm:

Quote: And yet you deny the blatant history of Christianity it the exact same atrocities that it has committed to further it's own conquest of the world.  Tsk, tsk. You conveniently forgot to be honest again snakemouth. Everybody who has committed an atrocity against mankind has deliberately disobeyed the teachings of Christ, Jesus is the absolute authority on what constitutes Christianity.

Who cares, Moses?  They didn't disobey what the Churches said Christ said...   ::) ::)

Churches are not the supreme authority on Christianity snakemouth, there are many churches who give their own commands as the doctrine of Christianity.

The ultimate authority on the criteria for Christianity is, the teachings of Christ, nothing else.

If you deviate from the Words Of Christ, you are not a Christian.

Frank wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkn6R4tUzl0 Spelling out what needs to be done.  Only  Islamists and their enablers could disagree with anything she said. Declaration of the Rights of Man - 1789 Articles: 10. No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law. 11. The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/rightsof.asp

Frank,

Good find.

Declaration of the Rights of Man - 1789
Approved by the National Assembly of France, August 26, 1789
Articles:    10 & 11

Appropriate to the argument;      It is a FALSE PROPOSITION and a LIE, to argue that there is a moral equivalence between ISLAMIC societal/moral values [on the one side],
and JUDEO-CHRISTIAN societal/moral values [on the other side].




http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516682325/54#54

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1556492091/0#0

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601281379/6#6

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565051771/33#33

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 3:58pm:

moses wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 3:52pm: Quote: And yet you deny the blatant history of Christianity it the exact same atrocities that it has committed to further it's own conquest of the world.  Tsk, tsk. You conveniently forgot to be honest again snakemouth. Everybody who has committed an atrocity against mankind has deliberately disobeyed the teachings of Christ, Jesus is the absolute authority on what constitutes Christianity. Who cares, Moses?  They didn't disobey what the Churches said Christ said...   ::) ::)

What would you like me to call you, Rim-meur?

AUSTRALIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 7: All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 16: 2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

Article 17: 1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
            2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

islam is the polar opposite of all of the above articles.

islam specifically teaches its adherents to commit human rights atrocities against the non believer.

islam declares that non muslims are dhimmis who are second class citizens who are to be discriminated against at every level.

islam has child marriage, a child lacks the maturity and intellect to be able to give consent for marriage.

islam denies non muslims the right to own buildings for their non muslim purposes.

islam denies non muslims the right to freedom of thought, religion, beliefs etc. under pain of death.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?

Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous.

You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating.


Right wing violence has nothing to do with the vast majority of peaceful right wingers?
Mass shooters have nothing to do with the vast majority of peaceful gun owners?
Violent unionists have nothing to do with the vast majority of peaceful unionists who think the same but do not DO the same?
ETC? Ideology has nothing to do with how you act and speak in the world? as long as you are a Muslim? Really??


You excuse only Islam. Even when they behead people, drive trucks into crowds, rape and intimidate.

Bertie wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous.

What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way?

Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::)


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You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating.

Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 8:04pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

If Brevik and Tarrant can be linked to right wingers and conservatives - then why can't all Muslims be liked to the head-choppers for Allah?  They believe the same thing.
As always, you haven't thought about this, Bbwian.

Brian reserves his spineless apologetics for Islam alone.

Frank wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 8:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:04pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) If Brevik and Tarrant can be linked to right wingers and conservatives - then why can't all Muslims be liked to the head-choppers for Allah?  They believe the same thing. As always, you haven't thought about this, Bbwian.

Au contraire, Soren.  It is you who has failed to think about this.  You refuse to accept responsibility for what Tarrant and Brievik did, despite being from the same side of politics yet you demand that all Muslims must bear responsibility for what Islamists do.  Seems a trifle unfair to me, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  When you accept responsibility for the likes of Tarrant and Brievik, come to talk to me about Muslims and Islamists...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

Au contraire, Soren. It is you who has failed to think about this. You refuse to accept responsibility for what Tarrant and Brievik did, despite being from the same side of politics yet you demand that all Muslims must bear responsibility for what Islamists do. Seems a trifle unfair to me, Soren.  Tsk, tsk. When you accept responsibility for the likes of Tarrant and Brievik, come to talk to me about Muslims and Islamists...  ::) ::)

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15

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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!! Shock horror!!!! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....moslems! Fancy having the gall to associate moslems,     .......with,      .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] ! Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. WWW search.... Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim "There is no god except for Allah alone;    and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

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ISLAM does NOT approve any of these Koran verses.

Nothing to do with ISLAM.

/sarc off


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 8:04pm:

Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::)

You are not honest about this. Everyone is aware that there is Islamic jihad, that Muslims kill innocent Westerners for triflings.
Westerners are trying to accommodate Muslims but it is never enough, Muslims demand more and more special treatment in Western  countries that take them in. Muslim refugees kill the people who took them in.

I am not aware of any Christian refugees in Muslim countries beheading their Muslim hosts.  But it happens the other way round every other day.  Yet you try to tell us that it's an even thing with no real difference.

You are not honest. You are simply not genuine. You are lying for some strange reason.
Why are lying?

Bertie wrote on Oct 30^th, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:04pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) You are not honest about this. Everyone is aware that there is Islamic jihad, that Muslims kill innocent Westerners for triflings. Westerners are trying to accommodate Muslims but it is never enough, Muslims demand more and more special treatment in Western  countries that take them in. Muslim refugees kill the people who took them in. I am not aware of any Christian refugees in Muslim countries beheading their Muslim hosts.  But it happens the other way round every other day.  Yet you try to tell us that it's an even thing with no real difference. You are not honest. You are simply not genuine. You are lying for some strange reason. Why are lying?

Brian has his own forum nobody goes there so he comes here to troll and feed his internet addiction.

Bertie wrote on Oct 30^th, 2020 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:04pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) You are not honest about this. Everyone is aware that there is Islamic jihad, that Muslims kill innocent Westerners for triflings.

Au contraire, Agatha, I am being far more honest that you and your fellow Islamophobes.  I learnt the lessons about persecution that the Holocaust taught, that you choose to ignore - you cannot apply blanket persecution and claim you were provoked into it.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)


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Westerners are trying to accommodate Muslims but it is never enough, Muslims demand more and more special treatment in Western  countries that take them in. Muslim refugees kill the people who took them in.

Some do, most don't, Agatha.  Until you can work out the differences between an Islamist and a Muslim, it looks like you're pretty well fooked.

Why are lying?  Why do you choose to persecute innocent people who have committed no crime?  They are just believers in a different religion, nothing more.  You have no personal experience of ordinary, everyday, peaceful, moderate, law-abiding Muslims.  Agatha you are hardly a judge on them.  Run along, now.  Go down the nearest Mosque and meet a few...   ::) ::)

Islamist killers work on West’s weaknesses

Despite the horrific murder of three people at the Notre Dame Basilica in Nice on Thursday and the beheading in France last week of history teacher Samuel Paty, many in the West remain too weak to name that enemy. The enemy is Islamist extremism. And, like Australians, the French must never accept this evil. Australian soldiers resting eternally on French soil did not sacrifice their lives to end one tyranny only to have another replace it. To recast a Winston Churchill phrase, the malice of the wicked must not be reinforced by the weakness of the woke.

And the weakness of the West is fertile ground. There have even been protests in Paris supporting those on trial for their connection to the slaughter of the Charlie Hebdo staff. They are also linked to an attack on a Jewish shop, killing four people. The 2015 Charlie Hebdo massacre was a call to arms and set off a terrorist killing spree across Europe and Britain. Yet many of those who spoke against Islamist violence were labelled Islamophobic.

The clever al-Qa’ida strategist Abu Musab al-Suri (real name Mustafa Setmariam Nasar) who in 2005 was arrested in Quetta, Pakistan, wrote a 1600-page book, The Call for Global Islamic Resistance. Demonstrating his appreciation of the West’s weaknesses, al-Suri described a changed strategy that is now playing out playing out on our streets. Al-Suri may not know their names, but his disciples swim in the warm waters of the West until such a moment that they become activated. It is a decentralised network in which every participant’s centre of gravity is metaphysical. They are not given instructions, but they know them.

We are the enemy. Their footsoldiers in this undeclared war are out to eliminate the “grey zone” within Western society where no one can remain neutral. Al-Qa’ida and ISIS understand that the moral asymmetric weakness of the West’s democratic principles allows them to drive Muslims and non­-Muslims into polarising positions. And they identified and cultivated a sympathetic voice among Western institutions, media, academia and civil society. That’s what good insurgents do.


Our freedoms, laws and human rights are being exploited to attack us. Then those freedoms are used to defend the same terrorists. It is what US military strategist William Lind describes as fourth-generational warfare. If only we acquiesced to their nonviolent demands, the terrorism would stop. France, the epitome of freedom and liberty, is the antithesis of this psychopathic movement.

Today’s Islamists are applying lessons from Sun Tzu’s The Art of War. As Sun advised, seize that which your adversary holds dear or values most highly, then they will conform to your desires. In the case of Islamic extremists, their nonviolent sympathisers can jump on board, further spreading the infiltrator’s narrative, shutting down dissension from within. Instead, Macron should be supported. Whether in Australia or France, there must never be a social contract with barbarians.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/islamist-killers-work-on-wests-weaknesses/news-story/c77f8885d2235421c7a6b2cdc53da110

KoLo
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2020 at 11:08pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:04pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) If Brevik and Tarrant can be linked to right wingers and conservatives - then why can't all Muslims be liked to the head-choppers for Allah?  They believe the same thing. As always, you haven't thought about this, Bbwian. Au contraire, Soren.  It is you who has failed to think about this.  You refuse to accept responsibility for what Tarrant and Brievik did, despite being from the same side of politics yet you demand that all Muslims must bear responsibility for what Islamists do.  Seems a trifle unfair to me, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  When you accept responsibility for the likes of Tarrant and Brievik, come to talk to me about Muslims and Islamists...  ::) ::)

You expect me to take responsibility for brevik and tarrant - but i mustn't  expect muslims to take responsibility for jihadists?

Your spineless double standards have always been glaring, bbwian.

Anyway,  what benefit has Islam brought to any Western liberal democratic country?  You keep forgetting to tell us.

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 12:00pm:

KoLo Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 11:08pm: Frank wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:04pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:47pm: Bertie wrote on Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:40pm: Every Islamic extremist attack over the past five years has been shocking and disturbing. In France alone, around 250 people have been massacred by radical Islamists since 2015. But there is something especially horrific about the premeditated targeting of a teacher for doing his job – that is, encouraging his pupils to think critically. Parents of his pupils say he was a kind, enthusiastic teacher who always encouraged children to think about issues in depth. Sophie Vénétitay of the SNES-FSU teachers’ union was right to say that he was murdered for doing what good teachers are meant to do – ‘teach critical thought’. This attack targeted one man, but its aim was to terrorise an entire republic; to send a dire, Middle Ages-style warning to public servants that they will put themselves in danger if they dare, in the terrorist’s own words, to ‘belittle Muhammad’. Again, it is in your own words, "one terrorist".  Is it fair to target all Muslims because of what, "one terrorist" has done, Agatha?  Really?  Really.  What do all Muslims share with that 'one terrorist' of every day?  Islam. That common link must be addressed. For you to insist that Islam, that single thing that binds all Islamic terrorists to all other Muslims, is the ONE thing that must not be invertered and dealt with is collaborationist and traitorous. What does Breivik the Norwegian Terrorist share with all Right Wingers, Agatha?  What about Brenton Harrison Tarrant?  Belief in Right wing policies.  Belief in that Xenophobia works.  Should we treat all Right Wingers the same way? Then we have Christian Terrorists like Mark Anthony Conditt, he liked to blow up churches.  Funny that, should all Christians be judged the way he was? ::) Quote: You would never say anything remotely similar when looking at violence and political agitation by ANY other group. To your mind, ONLY Muslims can and do separate their ideology from their actions. Everyone else acts in accordance with them, except Muslims.  You cannot possibly believe what you are advocating. Christians often refuse to admit that Christian Terrorists exist.  Moses, does.  However, the evidence suggests otherwise.  Time you realised that everything you accuse Muslims of, Christians have done and continue to do.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) If Brevik and Tarrant can be linked to right wingers and conservatives - then why can't all Muslims be liked to the head-choppers for Allah?  They believe the same thing. As always, you haven't thought about this, Bbwian. Au contraire, Soren.  It is you who has failed to think about this.  You refuse to accept responsibility for what Tarrant and Brievik did, despite being from the same side of politics yet you demand that all Muslims must bear responsibility for what Islamists do.  Seems a trifle unfair to me, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  When you accept responsibility for the likes of Tarrant and Brievik, come to talk to me about Muslims and Islamists...  ::) ::) You expect me to take responsibility for brevik and tarrant - but i mustn't  expect muslims to take responsibility for jihadists?

No, you have (as per usual) arse about, Soren.  You take responsibility for Breivik and Tarrant and then the Muslims might take responsibility for the Islamists.  As we know you won't, the Muslims are quite safe.  You'll run a million miles with your tail between your legs.  Tsk, tsk.  Anything to avoid responsibility for what you have wrought.   ::) ::)

So all white Westerners are responsible for brevik and tarrant.

How do you explain pre-brevik, pre-tarrant islamic jihadi murders of Westerners, Bbwian? Satanic Verses? If only we didnt publish books? No cartoons, not in Denmark, not in France? Would that stop Islamic jihad murders?


You really ARE a spineless agent of evil barbarism. You probably realise it yourself, after it being pointed out to you  all these years by a wide range of people.

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 12:44pm:

So all white Westerners are responsible for brevik and tarrant.

If all Muslims are responsible for Islamist Terrorism, you must be responsible for Breivik and Tarrant and all the other Western Terrorists...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 1:42pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:44pm: So all white Westerners are responsible for brevik and tarrant. If all Muslims are responsible for Islamist Terrorism, you must be responsible for Breivik and Tarrant and all the other Western Terrorists...   ::) ::)

How do you explain pre-brevik, pre-tarrant islamic jihadi murders of Westerners, Bbwian? Satanic Verses? If only we didnt publish books? No cartoons, not in Denmark, not in France? Would that stop Islamic jihad?

The qur'an is the cause and motivation for the depraved behaviour of muslims.

The muslims who commit the human rights atrocities can and do quote the qur'an as their cause and motivation.

All muslims revere the qur'an as being the infallible and unchangeable words of allah.

If you revere a cause you automatically revere the engendered atrocities.

Until the muslims decide to denounce and purge all the evil verses in the qur'an, which cause and motivate islamic human rights atrocities, all muslims are guilty of supporting the beheadings etc., perpetrated by fundamentalist muslims as they follow the evil teachings of the qur'an.

All muslims are guilty, until they reform islam and the qur'an.

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 2:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 1:42pm: Frank wrote on Oct 31st, 2020 at 12:44pm: So all white Westerners are responsible for brevik and tarrant. If all Muslims are responsible for Islamist Terrorism, you must be responsible for Breivik and Tarrant and all the other Western Terrorists...   ::) ::) How do you explain pre-brevik, pre-tarrant islamic jihadi murders of Westerners, Bbwian? Satanic Verses? If only we didnt publish books? No cartoons, not in Denmark, not in France? Would that stop Islamic jihad?

You must take responsibility for Breivik and Tarrant and all the other Western Terrorists, Soren...   ::) ::)

The Bible is the cause and motivation for the depraved behaviour of Christians.

The Christians who commit the human rights atrocities can and do quote the Bible as their cause and motivation.

All Christians revere the Bible as being the infallible and unchangeable words of Yahweh.

If you revere a cause you automatically revere the engendered atrocities.

Until the Christians decide to denounce and purge all the evil verses in the Bible, which cause and motivate Christian human rights atrocities, all Christians are guilty of supporting the Genocides etc., perpetrated by fundamentalist Christians as they follow the evil teachings of the Bible.

All Christians are guilty, until they reform Christianity and the Bible. ::) ::)

So much groveling by the apologists for islamic atrocities.

The deeds of the law were renounced by the Bible it'self over 2020 years ago: Deuteronomy 12:8 12:9 - Luke 16:16 Rom 3:20 Rom 3:28  Gal 2:16 Gal 3:11.

The law is superseded by the coming of the Messiah for Christians.

Right now 2020 the global problem is islamic fundamentalism caused by muslims following the teachings of muhammad to the letter.

muslims are the global problem, not Jews Christians Hindus Buddhists etc..

Why are the sick leftards groveling before islam, trying to excuse a death cult and its' adherents, for all the depraved atrocities muslims are committing as they follow the qur'an to the letter?

Why the lying smokescreens for degenerate muslim behaviour?

How sick in the head are lunatic leftards?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 2:36pm:

The Bible is the cause and motivation for the depraved behaviour of Christians. The Christians who commit the human rights atrocities can and do quote the Bible as their cause and motivation. All Christians revere the Bible as being the infallible and unchangeable words of Yahweh. If you revere a cause you automatically revere the engendered atrocities. Until the Christians decide to denounce and purge all the evil verses in the Bible, which cause and motivate Christian human rights atrocities, all Christians are guilty of supporting the Genocides etc., perpetrated by fundamentalist Christians as they follow the evil teachings of the Bible. All Christians are guilty, until they reform Christianity and the Bible. ::) ::)

Oh look. All you have to do to "catch" Brian telling a lie is hit the quote button.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2020 at 2:36pm:

The Bible is the cause and motivation for the depraved behaviour of Christians. The Christians who commit the human rights atrocities can and do quote the Bible as their cause and motivation. All Christians revere the Bible as being the infallible and unchangeable words of Yahweh. If you revere a cause you automatically revere the engendered atrocities. Until the Christians decide to denounce and purge all the evil verses in the Bible, which cause and motivate Christian human rights atrocities, all Christians are guilty of supporting the Genocides etc., perpetrated by fundamentalist Christians as they follow the evil teachings of the Bible. All Christians are guilty, until they reform Christianity and the Bible. ::) ::)

Give us the Christian equivalents, old gruesome evil-enabler:

Qur’an 8:12
Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslim’s should behead them.

8:39
Fight the unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme.

8:60
Make war against enemies of Allah.

9:29
Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians.

47:4
Behead and slaughter the unbelievers, take others captive.

5:17
Christians – believers in divinity of Christ – are unbelievers

2:91
Fight and kill unbelievers until religion is Allah’s.

The barbarians are protesting AGAINST the French IN London for the French not liking French teachers and church goers being beheaded by barbaric sons of Mohammed.

https://twitter.com/beesnguns/status/1322166686607462406/photo/1


And then Muslims wonder if they will ever be accepted in the West???!!!!!


Will the Muslims EVER accept that they are in the West and the West doesn't want sharia and a Musulman caliphate??

Er.... no.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, more Islamophobia.  Really?   ::) ::)

French citizens face threat 'everywhere' in the world, warns foreign minister
France's top diplomat Jean-Yves Le Drian warned of worldwide threats against French nationals following two brutal terror attacks. Meanwhile, President Emmanuel Macron held a crisis meeting with top ministers.

The French government has instructed its embassies across the world to tighten security in the wake of recent attacks in Nice and Paris, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Friday.

Le Drian also urged French citizens to be vigilant and warned that they face a security risk "everywhere" as outrage in the Islamic world simmers after President Emmanuel Macron defended the publication of cartoons that depicted the Prophet Muhammad. There have been calls in some countries for a boycott of French goods.

https://www.dw.com/en/french-citizens-face-threat-everywhere-in-the-world-warns-foreign-minister/a-55453970

A Western country standing up for its own values after it is brutally attacked by Islam = Muslims are the victims again.

Not submitting to Islam's demand = 'islamophobia'.

Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 11:45am:

Not submitting to Islam's demand = 'islamophobia'.

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No, it does not, Soren as well you know.  "Islamopobia" is attacking Islam or Muslims universally and unnecessarily because you fear them.  Time you grew up and faced the music of your own hatred.  It is an exact mirror image of what you oppose.  Islamists hate Christianity and the West just like you hate Islam and Muslims.  You'd be perfectly happy if you only faced Islamists but you don't so you demonise the Muslims and their religion in order to justify your persecution of them.  Rather like the Nazis did to the Jews.  You are the new Nazis, just as the Islamists are...  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 11:45am:

A Western country standing up for its own values after it is brutally attacked by Islam = Muslims are the victims again. Not submitting to Islam's demand = 'islamophobia'.

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August 4, 2005       Australian Islamic leader defends jihad "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said. "The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-08-04/australian-islamic-leader-defends-jihad/2073808


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frank,

As far as i can see, Emmanuel Macron has not taken    any action    yet, to protect the French social principles of Liberte, Egalite, and Fraternite, from those who are seeking to impose ISLAMIC values, in France !

And like all quibbling [or is that quisling] pollies, Macron has only publicly acknowledged that the enemy of France, are those 'awful' 'ISLAMIC extremists'.



Waiting for the day, for Macron to publicly acknowledge, that mainstream ISLAMIC teachings and doctrines are unacceptable in France.

But, he won't do it.

Ever.



'recant' is a French origin word isn't it, Frank ?

What about 'surrender' ?

What about 'appeasement' ?




"WWII French small arms for sale, never fired in combat and only dropped once."
contact; Commander in chief - Emmanuel Macron



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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2

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MY ARGUMENT; 1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM. 2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law. And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran.....should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
- CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, July 1998



And.....the aim of ISLAM in France, isn't for moslems, to enjoy equality with their French hosts !!



n.b.
The ISLAMIC texts below ARE NOT SOURCED FROM 'ISLAMIC extremists'.

The ISLAMIC texts below are sourced from mainstream ISLAM's 'most holy' and authoritative text, the inerrant Koran.

Dictionary;
inerrant = = incapable of being wrong.


And the mainstream ISLAMIC precepts sourced from within the inerrant Koran, encourage hatred and violence against 'disbelievers'.




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4