There is no Yarts board so I start this here, under what comes closest to the Yarts. This is the 'what are you looking at' thread....


I spent a few days on the South Coast earlier this week and was thinking of the difficulty of painting seascapes well. Of course everyone does it in seaside towns, the shops and holiday rentals are full of them but they are mostly simple or kitchy or ofherwise unsuccessful. Seascapes, like sunsets and sunrises, are irresistable but very hard to paint well.

Turner's seascapes are famous and wonderful but one of my favourites is by one of my favourite painters, Courbet, The Seaside at Palavas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seaside_at_Palavas#/media/File%3AGustave_Courbet_-_Le_bord_de_mer_%C3%A0_Palavas_(1854).jpg


Readers are invited to nominate their favourite seascape paintings - or indeed paintings on any other subject.

i nominate Friedrich's 'Wanderer above the sea of fog' before anyone else.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2020 at 12:41pm:

i nominate Friedrich's 'Wanderer above the sea of fog' before anyone else.

That's  the one on the cover of the Penguin Nietzsche Reader.

Frank wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2020 at 12:04pm:

There is no Yarts board so I start this here, under what comes closest to the Yarts. This is the 'what are you looking at' thread.... I spent a few days on the South Coast earlier this week and was thinking of the difficulty of painting seascapes well. Of course everyone does it in seaside towns, the shops and holiday rentals are full of them but they are mostly simple or kitchy or ofherwise unsuccessful. Seascapes, like sunsets and sunrises, are irresistable but very hard to paint well. Turner's seascapes are famous and wonderful but one of my favourites is by one of my favourite painters, Courbet, The Seaside at Palavas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seaside_at_Palavas#/media/File%3AGustave_Courbet_-_Le_bord_de_mer_%C3%A0_Palavas_(1854).jpg Readers are invited to nominate their favourite seascape paintings - or indeed paintings on any other subject.

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thats beautiful frank yet so simple   I do a bit of painting  ..have a loooooong way to go....but it can be very rewarding  however the sea is really hard...or any water for that matter   most ocean painting are done using photos   I do have a seascape  its not bad but not that great either...lol...

Winslow Homers   the herring net is gorgeous I think.

Turner had a way with history seeing his work at the National Gallery was a treat,

cods wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2020 at 6:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 12:04pm: There is no Yarts board so I start this here, under what comes closest to the Yarts. This is the 'what are you looking at' thread.... I spent a few days on the South Coast earlier this week and was thinking of the difficulty of painting seascapes well. Of course everyone does it in seaside towns, the shops and holiday rentals are full of them but they are mostly simple or kitchy or ofherwise unsuccessful. Seascapes, like sunsets and sunrises, are irresistable but very hard to paint well. Turner's seascapes are famous and wonderful but one of my favourites is by one of my favourite painters, Courbet, The Seaside at Palavas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seaside_at_Palavas#/media/File%3AGustave_Courbet_-_Le_bord_de_mer_%C3%A0_Palavas_(1854).jpg Readers are invited to nominate their favourite seascape paintings - or indeed paintings on any other subject. \ thats beautiful frank yet so simple   I do a bit of painting  ..have a loooooong way to go....but it can be very rewarding  however the sea is really hard...or any water for that matter   most ocean painting are done using photos   I do have a seascape  its not bad but not that great either...lol... Winslow Homers   the herring net is gorgeous I think. Turner had a way with history seeing his work at the National Gallery was a treat,

That is a wonderful painting, the herring net.
As with Courbet and the others, having a human element in the painting might be what makes a seascape great. It illustrates the scale of difference between us and the sea.

But then you look at Arthur Streeton's an Impression from the Deep and in Australia you instantly get it.
http://z5p8x8m2.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Arthur-Streeton-An-Impression-from-the-Deep-1889-AGSA.jpg

Frank wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2020 at 12:04pm:

There is no Yarts board so I start this here, under what comes closest to the Yarts. This is the 'what are you looking at' thread.... I spent a few days on the South Coast earlier this week and was thinking of the difficulty of painting seascapes well. Of course everyone does it in seaside towns, the shops and holiday rentals are full of them but they are mostly simple or kitchy or ofherwise unsuccessful. Seascapes, like sunsets and sunrises, are irresistable but very hard to paint well. Turner's seascapes are famous and wonderful but one of my favourites is by one of my favourite painters, Courbet, The Seaside at Palavas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seaside_at_Palavas#/media/File%3AGustave_Courbet_-_Le_bord_de_mer_%C3%A0_Palavas_(1854).jpg Readers are invited to nominate their favourite seascape paintings - or indeed paintings on any other subject.

Thanks, 'Turners' are great paintings.
I love art


http://art-vangogh.com/image/Saint%20Remy%20(1889-90)/20%20Olive%20Grove.jpg

https://mydailyartdisplay.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/ivan-aivazovsky-part-2-the-master-of-seascapes/

Here's a nice harmonious Sydney of early colonists and aboriginals just doing their thing... until one Free Settler with the American Right to have a gun, broke the silence with one odd angry shot.

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Can images be inserted here from the desktop or must they be held somewhere out on the web? Think I just answered my own question.
The attached work by Carrivagio has me in two minds. On one level it’s a brilliant portrait but knowing the artist was prone to pedophilia sours my appreciation.

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I like the Dunk Island school, especially Noel Wood's work.

https://i.postimg.cc/fyLNN5Lf/Noel-Wood-Seascape.jpg

I think i will always prefer Renaissance and classical style paintings,
to the impressionist style.

Though i do like Monet's paintings.



I had a youth hosteling tour [with a friend] through Italy/Europe in 1970's.  [mainly Italy]

We went to every gallery and museum we came across.

The art galleries completely spoiled me for the beauty and detail in many of the Renaissance and classical paintings on display.



What a fabulous time we had.

We [i personally] won't see those days again.

Sharing interest in the Tropical North with the Dunk Island school, here is one by the great Ray Crooke of a scene at TI.

https://i.postimg.cc/d1yFxjqx/TI-Ray-Crooke.png

How about Tom Roberts, an Australian artist.

https://www.artnet.com/WebServices/images/ll00010lldjToGFgaeECfDrCWvaHBOcaJ8C/tom-roberts-coastal-landscape.jpg

https://www.artistsfootsteps.com/images/Roberts_sherbrookeforest.jpg

https://www.thecultureconcept.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Tom-Roberts-Rams-1.jpg

A lot of 'old' works. Is current Australian Art so bad, we prefer to focus on the past - like Europe does? Or that we focus on the abstract and meaningless American style of Art that is like a Comic Book of a wonder woman and her younger female love - created by 'their' male lover.

Let's make an effort to discover modern great Australian Art.
Please, no 'celebrity' ego-promoting Archibald works. *yawn

This is Leonard Nimoy ....In Search Of.  :D

Here's an Aboriginalised styled modern Australian Artwork.
Note how Aboriginal traditional style has transformed into modernism and with non-aboriginal styles of influence.

The Modern style of this has made Australian Art somewhat 'Reptillian' in its nature - the Dot Styles have evolved a reptillian skin-like appearance.

Thoughts?

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Jasin wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 10:54am:

A lot of 'old' works. Is current Australian Art so bad, we prefer to focus on the past - like Europe does? Or that we focus on the abstract and meaningless American style of Art that is like a Comic Book of a wonder woman and her younger female love - created by 'their' male lover. Let's make an effort to discover modern great Australian Art. Please, no 'celebrity' ego-promoting Archibald works. *yawn This is Leonard Nimoy ....In Search Of.  :D

This attitude to the era of art, not the contemporary art it promotes, is a cliche in itself.

True. There is a lot of cliche and cliche in itself. That's where the Art world is at the moment. Australia needs to introduce a 'new' Art beyond the cliche.

Here's a better example of the Reptillian-skin style of Aboriginal Art.

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Otto Dix was a German veteran of WW1. His subjects were often grim memories, but he was also versatile, working in fine portraiture, landscape, cubism, and caricature.

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TP8Wpp/Otto-Dix-003.png

Jasin wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 10:54am:

A lot of 'old' works. Is current Australian Art so bad, we prefer to focus on the past - like Europe does? Or that we focus on the abstract and meaningless American style of Art that is like a Comic Book of a wonder woman and her younger female love - created by 'their' male lover. Let's make an effort to discover modern great Australian Art. Please, no 'celebrity' ego-promoting Archibald works. *yawn

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https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/feb/28/lost-caravaggio-rejected-by-the-louvre-may-be-worth-100m

https://www.thecollector.com/8-intriguing-facts-to-know-about-caravaggio/

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https://bluethumb.com.au/blog/artists/10-best-emerging-landscape-artists-2020/

First encounter direct with this landscape by Sue Bannister had me wanting to walk into it.
Few landscapes have that effect upon me.

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One of my favourite portraits is by Angelica Kauffmann, suggested by some to be of herself.

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This subject really does need its own board. "like" is not an adequate way of describing pictures I appreciate. I accept or reject a painting on whether it strikes me as work of art. There is a ton of stuff around that is only created because someone thought they could manufacture a sense of inspiration. You cannot. I tend to be drawn to pictures where the viewer has to do some of the work.

https://i.postimg.cc/QNBW7k6W/modern-in-1900.jpg

Paul Gauguin

https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/L48oRN8-hPK6ggY3Iypw19I7Nt4=/960x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/GettyImages-153049593-56e7230e5f9b5854a9f95d25.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 5:39pm:

This subject really does need its own board. "like" is not an adequate way of describing pictures I appreciate. I accept or reject a painting on whether it strikes me as work of art. There is a ton of stuff around that is only created because someone thought they could manufacture a sense of inspiration. You cannot. I tend to be drawn to pictures where the viewer has to do some of the work.

Own board ? Yes, but good luck trying to get one installed.

Strikes you as ‘a work of art’. Which leaves me wanting to know what your definitions of ’strikes’ and ‘work of art’ are.
I have no idea what you mean by “  . . . . . only created because someone thought they could manufacture a sense of inspiration. You cannot” Why can’t an artist inspire? I’m missing something here.

Maybe this will end up with one of those tedious discussions about what is the purpose of art.  As if there ever could be a single purpose.
Myself, I paint simply as a form of therapy with absolutely no intention of inspiring anyone or expecting them to ‘work’ at understanding anything I produce.Often I don’t understand the things I create myself no matter how hard I ‘work’.
If my output is buried with me big deal. Anyhow, why should art have any single, simple purpose? It’s an idea I can’t get my head around. Possibly we can claim there are some purposes art shouldn’t aim at such as propaganda but where do we draw the line? (pun intended! :o ) A large percentage of religious art is a form of propaganda but does that mean we shouldn’t be able to enjoy it even if we don’t accept the dogma behind it?
This brings me to the question of skill. Today we witness large amounts of minimalist art demonstrating a total lack of technical skill. In some instances the lack of skill in abstract paintings produced over the last fifty years or so means they are literally self-destructing. Oh well, we can just call them an ‘installation view’ and leave it at that.

Anyone want to argue if Andy Warhol's soup cans are art?

At the risk of pushing this thread off topic can we consider areas such as architecture can be categorised as art? Frank Lloyd-Wright’s ‘Falling Water’ comes to mind as a profound an instantaneously affecting and inspiring instance not requiring any ‘work’ on my part to fall in love with it.

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Ugly modernist concrete slabs (that is ALL modernists ever did) over natural waterfall.

Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting."

issuevoter wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:40am:

Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting."

whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we dont all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...

cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:47am:

whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we don't all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...

I don’t particularly care if talentless crap is put on display in a gallery. I might regard it as a form of artistic democracy gone mad but it’s no skin off my nose. I do however object to local gov’t authorities etc using my tax money to subsidise this stuff and put it out on public display. In my village there are a number of outdoor seats covered in mosaic etc I consider not only talentless but downright ugly. Why should my tax money be spent this way? OK, let the ‘artists’ try and sell their ‘wonderfull’ creations on the open market but please don’t force me to support crap.
Allowing everyone to have ’their creative moment in the sun’ may sound like a good idea but please don’t force me to pay for something I consider a pile of junk.

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2020 at 8:33pm:

Ugly modernist concrete slabs (that is ALL modernists ever did) over natural waterfall.

Well, to vary that old saying “Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder”
You may however be interested to know you’re aesthetic judgement of Falling Water is very much in the minority.
Not so with minimalist crap such as Corbusier’s boxes.
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Maybe this is an appropriate time to raise a few issues.
1. We need to be aware that (more so than with today’s printed reproductions) images of art works as displayed on the web can exhibit huge differences in colouration, focus and definition. Not a good idea to judge them from any digital medium of uncertain veracity.
2. Even reproductions of artworks in expensive printed publications can lead you astray. I was unimpressed by all of Brett Whitely’s work thinking it cartoonish. Dragged along to an exhibition in Sydney I was utterly blown away by his fluid technique and emotional power.
3. Will we ever agree about a definition of something as subjective as ‘beauty’? OK, relatively objective judgements can be arrived at on technique and drawing skill etc but beyond that we’re in very subjective territory.

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cods wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:47am:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:40am: Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting." whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we dont all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes...

No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.

Going back to Frank's OP and seascapes. I am not laying down the law, but here's my take, and it applies to painting in general.

Seascape 001 is what I would call an "Illustration." Good technique and a lot of work, but stiff and demanding of the viewer.

https://i.postimg.cc/zDj9RnRr/Seascape-001.jpg

Seascape 002 is not my favourite painting in the whole world, OK? But it does allow the viewer to do some of the work, and by doing so, it provides a more personal experience.

https://i.postimg.cc/sXJ07rxc/Seascape-002.png

issuevoter wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.

Art can be therapy (even though many viewing such productions believe there’s nothing artistic about them). Art as a form of sermonising. Art produced for commercial gain (Andy Whorehole?). Art as - - the list could go on. Who however decides what is or isn’t ‘art’? When subjectivity is the main consideration even little Susie’s finger painting scribbles are proudly mounted on the family fridge as demonstrating her ‘artistic flair’ 
My view is there’s no harm in encouraging the talentless to dabble in painting or whatever so long as we don’t bullshit them into believing they could make a living out of their doodles. But then again look at some of Picasso’s late period doodles?
It’s a very weird market out there, especially if the artist attends the right cocktail parties.

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If you are going to talk about Art, the first thing you have to do is drop the humility. It just another cliche.

I would like to run for an Art Board Modship with a slant towards political Art (as there are many forms of Art, like the type involved in Music - where once again, the 'Visual' meets the 'Sound' of Singing as well as Talking).

I would highlight the need to understand the difference between Pro-Political Art and Anti-Political Art as well. I think it would be useful to acknowledge.

I would also like to include a Cosmic-Art interpretation of the universe (not necessarily needing to be based on 'scientific' interpretation) among other genres.

I  would Topical European, Asian, North American and other's ART styles culturally. The difference is useful to see and this is why Historic European places with much Art display for Tourists use 'American' abstract Art to make it look even more sophisticated and grandeuristic. Placing such an American form of Art in a room of prestigious historical Art creates another form of seeing things.

But is European Art stuck in the past? The Golden Eras of the likes of St Petersburg, the Gothic, the Renaissance, etc.
America stuck in the youthful 'Disney' like innocence of abstract and simple.

I've always commented on a Moslem woman's love for guys like Ned Kelly.  ;)

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Could be an interesting area to explore but it’s not one that gives me much joy in analysing. There’s also the problem of deciding what is, or isn’t ‘political art’. Some would claim images from a vast range are political but hey, if you want to be the moderator of such things you’re welcome.

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But is it art?

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A 'Flag' is a Political/Art merge.

Here's something very Australian.

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issuevoter wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:49am:

cods wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:47am: issuevoter wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:40am: Inspiration. We have a local Art Society that has a permanent gallery with around 100 paintings. None of them show any talent. What they seem to say is, "I need a hobby, I think I'll try painting." whats wrong with that????....would you seriously be interested if every one followed the masters???......it would be like everyone driving the same car.......we dont all like the same thing....as it should be....one mans meat is another mans poison as the saying goes... No, Cods. You don't understand. They are not just being different. I don't want them to follow masters or anyone else. I am pointing out that these people of the local society have no talent and are uninspired. Their work is awkward as something from aged-care art class.

That's what most British and Americans think of Australian Politics.  ;D

Every Industry, despite its power - has a population of poor and talentless humble beginnings.

Jasin wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 11:17am:

But is European Art stuck in the past? The Golden Eras of the likes of St Petersburg, the Gothic, the Renaissance, etc. America stuck in the youthful 'Disney' like innocence of abstract and simple.

Stuck in the past? You can look at it like that. I don't. I think we have arrived at a point in History where Art and Music cannot help being derivative. And anyway, it doesn't matter. A creative person will do what they are driven to do, whatever it is. The worst thing they could do is fixate on being original.

Here’s one for all you hetro males who dream about ‘converting’ dykes to the ‘real thing’. To my eyes it’s very badly constructed in that these two dont’ exactly look comfortable.

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Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity.

I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.

I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin

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Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:13pm: Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity. I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain.

It's not 'so called'.

You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:51pm:

I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin

I just knew it was going to be a rugged, outdoors type.

Paul Klienschmidt. German 1930s

https://i.postimg.cc/fb7J8s4k/Paul-Klienschmidt.jpg

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

Yes.

Deviants do not demand a lot from us.

Deviants just want to be accepted [by everyone who is not a deviant], as normal.

Next, they'll be demanding that sex with babies should be accepted as normal.

Or, that killing people who look at them sideways, should be accepted as normal.

Q.
What is NOT normal, i ask you !


Deep Thought.        HHGTTG

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Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 7:51pm:

I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin

Thanks

An opinion is 'art' too.

Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:58pm:

Q. What is NOT normal, i ask you !

If we [society] allow absolutely everything [any kind of behaviour], then any kind of behaviour,
becomes 'normal' behaviour.

Is that, what a tolerant society is ?

Is such a society, what we should all aspire to ?



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A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION......


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
- Thomas Mann


"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
- Charles J. Chaput


"And what is good, Phaedrus?
And what is not good?
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
- Plato

William Dobell did some interesting work in PNG. Great texture and style.

https://i.postimg.cc/k51kZYxd/New-Guinea-Dobell.jpg

Frank wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 7:49pm: Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:13pm: Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity. I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain. It's not 'so called'. You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched.

Your response hints at some kind of traumatic sexual experience during childhood. Any form of such assault I condemn.If that’s not the reason for your extreme irrationality and hatred towards those your regard as deviant I can only suggest you seek therapy.
As to so called deviance itself I’m tempted to describe a long list of clients requirements as related to me by a lady friend who has owned and worked in a number of brothels in Melbourne and Sydney.
I’ll simply ask you where the borderline between your idea of ‘deviance' and ’normality’ is.
Would you describe her client, a Federal Supreme Court judge as deviant? He paid big money to stand naked in the bath masturbating whilst being slapped with raw tripe.
Had to bring his own tripe too.
Now lets look at another setup you’d regard as ‘deviant’. I have two close gay friends who are married and have two sons. The biological mother is in constant contact with the boys who are both thriving socially and academically. In case you feel the need to label their sexual behaviour as deviant you may wish to take into account neither of these men do or ever has practiced anal intercourse. Not that I’m necessarily against such having indulged on occasion myself. Too much detail for you petal?
And if you do want to label gay males as deviant for indulging in anal sex have a look at the high percentage of such acts portrayed on net porn with women on the receiving end. Considering women have no prostate gland to be stimulated so must simply grin and bear it. Excuse all the detail but it’s time somebody shoved reality in your intolerant face.

If you feel the need to continue this discussion can we move it to a more appropriate section of the forum?

issuevoter wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:52pm:

Paul Klienschmidt. German 1930s https://i.postimg.cc/fb7J8s4k/Paul-Klienschmidt.jpg

Impressive but a bit creepy. But then again all ‘great’ art doesn’t have to be so called ‘beautiful’.

Yadda wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 10:58pm:

What is NOT normal, i ask you ![/b]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/normal

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

......................  Had to bring his own tripe too.  .......

Had to bring his OWN tripe !!!!

Thanks for adding that detail    :) :)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:36am:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 8:51am: ......................  Had to bring his own tripe too.  ....... Had to bring his OWN tripe !!!! Thanks for adding that detail    :) :)

Since learning of the learned gentleman’s preferences I have wondered if he purchased his tripe from the same butcher and what that butcher thought of his weekly order.
Me, I can’t even stand the smell of the stuff cooking let alone being  - - - - - -

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:51am:

Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 8:29pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 7:49pm: Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 6:13pm: Look at Courbet's L'Origine du monde and be ashamed of your perversity. I'm well acquainted with Courbet’s L’Origine du Monde and see no reason to be ashamed of my so called perversity. In fact I can see no connection between it and my so called ‘perversity’. Do explain. It's not 'so called'. You are a deviant. Don't pretend otherwise. You deviants did best when you KNEW you were deviants. You all went bad when you started to claim to be normal. Then you ruined everything you touched. Your response hints at some kind of traumatic sexual experience during childhood. Any form of such assault I condemn.If that’s not the reason for your extreme irrationality and hatred towards those your regard as deviant I can only suggest you seek therapy. As to so called deviance itself I’m tempted to describe a long list of clients requirements as related to me by a lady friend who has owned and worked in a number of brothels in Melbourne and Sydney. I’ll simply ask you where the borderline between your idea of ‘deviance' and ’normality’ is. Would you describe her client, a Federal Supreme Court judge as deviant? He paid big money to stand naked in the bath masturbating whilst being slapped with raw tripe. Had to bring his own tripe too. Now lets look at another setup you’d regard as ‘deviant’. I have two close gay friends who are married and have two sons. The biological mother is in constant contact with the boys who are both thriving socially and academically. In case you feel the need to label their sexual behaviour as deviant you may wish to take into account neither of these men do or ever has practiced anal intercourse. Not that I’m necessarily against such having indulged on occasion myself. Too much detail for you petal? And if you do want to label gay males as deviant for indulging in anal sex have a look at the high percentage of such acts portrayed on net porn with women on the receiving end. Consider women have no prostate gland to be stimulated so must simply grin and bear it. Excuse all the detail but it’s time somebody shoved reality in your intolerant face.

Taking this to another thread under philosophy.


https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg

"A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes

I’ve lived in Eaglemont where the ‘Eaglemont School' produced any number of wonderful landscapes and even though it was a built up area in the 1990’s I could still work out where this painting was produced due to being able to site the mountains in the distance.

Arther Streeton’s ‘ Golden Summer, Eaglemont’ is at the top of my list of images produced by this group.

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Frank wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:45am:

https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg "A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes

Perhaps, but Courbet had the advantage of the evolution of painting by a couple of centuries. Silly comparison.

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 29^th, 2020 at 8:31pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 29th, 2020 at 7:51pm: I remember vividly enountering this as a child in a Melbourne gallery and realising for the first time the emotional power of such images. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_McCubbin I just knew it was going to be a rugged, outdoors type.

Has your foetid imagination taken you any further?

Sometimes a painting, without being world shatteringly brilliant, can have the power to induce profound emotions. This image for me captures the essence of outback isolation and loneliness. Not a place or state I ever want to be in.
Think this one is by Russell Drysdale - correct me if I’m wrong.

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Contemporary Australian. R. Forlani

https://i.postimg.cc/8zR8gg2M/R-Forlani.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 1:13pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:45am: https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg "A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes Perhaps, but Courbet had the advantage of the evolution of painting by a couple of centuries. Silly comparison.

There is no 'evolution' in paintig. Silly notion.

Frank wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 9:45am:

https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg "A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes

But did he become a vegetarian?

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 2:04pm:

Sometimes a painting, without being world shatteringly brilliant, can have the power to induce profound emotions. This image for me captures the essence of outback isolation and loneliness. Not a place or state I ever want to be in. Think this one is by Russell Drysdale - correct me if I’m wrong.

That is a great painting.

I have been very far out west. It has that sense.
I  love it

issuevoter wrote on Dec 30^th, 2020 at 8:20pm:

Contemporary Australian. R. Forlani https://i.postimg.cc/8zR8gg2M/R-Forlani.jpg

What a Brave Artist

https://artloversaustralia.com.au/shop/

Frank wrote on Dec 31^st, 2020 at 9:54pm:

issuevoter wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 1:13pm: Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:45am: https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg "A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes Perhaps, but Courbet had the advantage of the evolution of painting by a couple of centuries. Silly comparison. There is no 'evolution' in paintig. Silly notion.

Primary school response.

There's a lot of this kind of painting around today, where the draughtsmanship has old-school accuracy, and the colour palette is hyper-primary. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand the choices.

https://i.postimg.cc/TY9rv54T/S-Fisher.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 8:18am:

There's a lot of this kind of painting around today, where the draughtsmanship has old-school accuracy, and the colour palette is hyper-primary. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand the choices. https://i.postimg.cc/TY9rv54T/S-Fisher.jpg

The artist could be colour blind or trying to express their first impression of such a landscape when they  encountered it. The worst reason for this coloration could be to make the work sell.
‘Fashion’ in the fine arts could be the simple explanation. On the other hand an experience I had in a friend’s commercial gallery might explain things.
I’d always regarded my art as no more than for my own relaxation and therapy refusing to sell any even to friends. My gallery owner friend invited me to an opening he was putting on suggesting I’d actually enjoy the experience and change my mind about putting on an exhibition of my own stuff. I coped with the cheap wine, crappy food etc but when I overheard a couple discussing a particular painting I departed determined to never get involved in the commercial side of the art world.
Here’s a brief précis of the conversation I witnessed.
Him “Darling, I really like this one and it would fit perfectly over the sideboard in the dining room”
Her “No way would that look good against the orange leather on the dining chairs”
Him “But darling, I’m sure if we ask the artist he’ll do a version for us with lots of orange’
If any of you think this is a modern phenomena familiarity with the Vatican’s history of patronage and demands of artists would change your mind.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 10:04am:

...............   I’d always regarded my art as no more than for my own relaxation and therapy ...........

I've done only a few paintings. Will do more.
For me it is emotional expression, a release.

The greatest Australian Artist (and designer) that I know of is an American by chance. Burley-Griffith who was part of the greatest Artistic eras (Art Deco) which is still 'visually' more pure than any other decade and its cacophony of styles fighting it out.

The intelligent designs and visual angle Griffith bought to the concept of a 'City' is awesome.

I like Artists who 'Dream Big'.
More so than the likes of a painter on a 1m squared canvas.

The people of the World are waiting for a Dream Big (as big as a 'nation' ;)) Artist.
Not some 'old' historic artist or some meaningless abstract kiddie art.
The people of the World want a Game Changer.

The majority of Australian Artists follow the Gov-General to European style Art or the PM to American/Disney style Art.
Or Media Art - which is all about Archibald 'celebritiness'.

Dream Big when it comes to Art in Australia.
;)

Jasin wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 4:59pm:

The greatest Australian Artist (and designer) that I know of is an American by chance. Burley-Griffith who was part of the greatest Artistic eras (Art Deco) which is still 'visually' more pure than any other decade and its cacophony of styles fighting it out. The intelligent designs and visual angle Griffith bought to the concept of a 'City' is awesome. I like Artists who 'Dream Big'. More so than the likes of a painter on a 1m squared canvas. The people of the World are waiting for a Dream Big (as big as a 'nation' ;)) Artist. Not some 'old' historic artist or some meaningless abstract kiddie art. The people of the World want a Game Changer. The majority of Australian Artists follow the Gov-General to European style Art or the PM to American/Disney style Art. Or Media Art - which is all about Archibald 'celebritiness'. Dream Big when it comes to Art in Australia. ;)

Sorry, I cannot agree with you. For one thing, I don't believe in one great artist as you do. As for the "people of the world" (your words) I don't believe they are waiting for anything. They, We, just stumble along through the centuries pushed this way and that by events. And most of them don't give a sh!t about art, artists or "big ideas.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 8:18am:

There's a lot of this kind of painting around today, where the draughtsmanship has old-school accuracy, and the colour palette is hyper-primary. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand the choices. https://i.postimg.cc/TY9rv54T/S-Fisher.jpg

Outback Ken Done.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 7:53am:

Frank wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 9:54pm: issuevoter wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 1:13pm: Frank wrote on Dec 30th, 2020 at 9:45am: https://www.gustave-courbet.com/images/paintings/the-trout.jpg "A Gustave Courbet portrait of a trout has more death in it than Rubens could get in a whole Crucifixion." Robert Hughes Perhaps, but Courbet had the advantage of the evolution of painting by a couple of centuries. Silly comparison. There is no 'evolution' in painting. Silly notion. Primary school response.

One you cannot refute because you are pre-primary school.

Art is not accumulative, like Science. Any art that is referential of earlier art is derivative. It may be illuminating or felicitous but those are not the main purposes of art.

Kafka said this about books but it stands for art generally.


“We need books that affect us like a disaster, that grieve us deeply, like the death of someone we loved more than ourselves, like a suicide. A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us. That is my belief.”

A lot of nice ones here not all my cup of tea but have to respect the eye of others. I was always fond of Monet among others.


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0gUAAOSwsLtVfQKf/s-l1600.jpg

Willy Pogany was a famous Hungarian illustrator in the Art Nouveau period.

https://i.postimg.cc/htQgMzZ4/Pogany-001.jpg

They say that Turner painted with light. Many of his pieces are unbelievable.


https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/7/4/5/0/2/webimg/277053661_o.jpg

I’m surprised nobody has included an etching in this thread but maybe using the term ‘painting’ excludes such works?
A shame because some of the bitch sessions - - er - -  threads on this forum descend into remind me of Gustav Dore’s “Michael finds Discord presiding over an election in the monastery."

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 10:23pm:

Willy Pogany was a famous Hungarian illustrator in the Art Nouveau period. https://i.postimg.cc/htQgMzZ4/Pogany-001.jpg

Thanks for posting this. I’m impressed by what I’ve found of Pogany on the web. Art is so endless we need more than a few lifetimes to take in even a part of what’s been produced.
Do I detect the influence of Aubrey Beardsley?

issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 5:54pm:

Sorry, I cannot agree with you. For one thing, I don't believe in one great artist as you do. As for the "people of the world" (your words) I don't believe they are waiting for anything. They, We, just stumble along through the centuries pushed this way and that by events. And most of them don't give a sh!t about art, artists or "big ideas.[/size]

True, but some of them are unknowingly influenced by them, especially by religious art.

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2021 at 8:18am:

There's a lot of this kind of painting around today, where the draughtsmanship has old-school accuracy, and the colour palette is hyper-primary. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand the choices. https://i.postimg.cc/TY9rv54T/S-Fisher.jpg

For me I only have to like it. The same pure landscape would likely have been boring.

Some of Thomas Baines' paintings in Northern Australia remind me of the way the Hudson River school depicted the vastness of the American landscape, when such views were unfamiliar to Western eyes.

https://i.postimg.cc/GhcqyCcr/Baines-01.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/RCTT9DwY/Baines-02.jpg

There’s more than ‘vastness’ being portrayed in those paintings.

I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism.  I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 8:30am:

I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism.  I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by

I think it is a mistake to interpret a meaning for such works, or for that matter to pass judgement on them. The only question I ask myself is, "Would I hang it on my wall?" I some cases, I would. As I have said before, the works that interest me the most are the ones where the viewer is allowed to do some of the work, which has been the case, thank God, since the Impressionists.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 9:18am:

I think it is a mistake to interpret a meaning for such works, or for that matter to pass judgement on them. The only question I ask myself is, "Would I hang it on my wall?" I some cases, I would. As I have said before, the works that interest me the most are the ones where the viewer is allowed to do some of the work, which has been the case, thank God, since the Impressionists.[/size]

What is this ‘work’ you refer to?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 9:18am: I think it is a mistake to interpret a meaning for such works, or for that matter to pass judgement on them. The only question I ask myself is, "Would I hang it on my wall?" I some cases, I would. As I have said before, the works that interest me the most are the ones where the viewer is allowed to do some of the work, which has been the case, thank God, since the Impressionists.[/size] What is this ‘work’ you refer to?

What you are citing as Abstract Expressionism, but "what's in a name?"

Citing?No, I'm not ‘citing’ the work as anything. Others, more familiar with the arcane game of academic fine arts classification, include that work in the category along with thousands of others.
Me, I’d be happier if this lot were classified as ’Informal Messiness School’ or similar.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 8:30am:

I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism.  I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott.

nah, I don't like that one.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-22.4088859,141.4814828,3a,75y,235.15h,99.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1soaDjtjcfhybfaJhmWATZcw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DoaDjtjcfhybfaJhmWATZcw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D143.96008%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664

This is my Australian Art.
I am headed there.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 8:06pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 8:30am: I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism.  I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott. nah, I don't like that one.

Too red for me but she has some that I like. One of the best female impressionists of her time.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 8:36pm:

Too red for me but she has some that I like. One of the best female impressionists of her time.

Impressionist? Is that a joke?
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This thread is interesting for reasons I hadn’t expected when it started. It’s telling us a lot about the minds of those posting here, often without them knowing it.
Take for instance the little scenario below.
i was presented with a complete set of Arthur Mees Encyclopaedia before I even attended kindergarten, filled with copius numbers of illustrations, many of ‘great’ works of art. One particular image had a profound effect upon my view of our species, a view I’m still prone to. To learn at an early age that adults could behave this way was burnt into my mind never to leave me. Some would say it made me a cynic, I claim it made me a realist.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4^th, 2021 at 8:02pm:

Citing?No, I'm not ‘citing’ the work as anything. Others, more familiar with the arcane game of academic fine arts classification, include that work in the category along with thousands of others. Me, I’d be happier if this lot were classified as ’Informal Messiness School’ or similar.

"I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism. I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott."

You are citing Mary Abbott as an Abstract Expressionist. What game are you playing by denying it? Or are you just fond of being contrary?

issuevoter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 8:02pm: Citing?No, I'm not ‘citing’ the work as anything. Others, more familiar with the arcane game of academic fine arts classification, include that work in the category along with thousands of others. Me, I’d be happier if this lot were classified as ’Informal Messiness School’ or similar. "I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism. I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott." You are citing Mary Abbott as an Abstract Expressionist. What game are you playing by denying it? Or are you just fond of being contrary?

Possibly I didn’t express myself clearly enough to get my point through your thick, pointlessly argumentative head? I did not invent the classification ‘Abstract Expressionist’ nor did I apply it to that example. Academic art critics et al did. If you’d noticed i went on to say "I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint” you may have grasped my point. I’m tired of these absurd nit picking discussions.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 9:06pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 5th, 2021 at 8:51pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 8:02pm: Citing?No, I'm not ‘citing’ the work as anything. Others, more familiar with the arcane game of academic fine arts classification, include that work in the category along with thousands of others. Me, I’d be happier if this lot were classified as ’Informal Messiness School’ or similar. "I have to lay my cards on the table when is comes to Abstract Expressionism. I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint". My cynical side tells me works such as these retain their value simply due to the number of cocktail parties the artist attends, the impossibility of forging them and the pretentious drivel art critics, by some miracle, manage to write about them. This one is by Mary Abbott." You are citing Mary Abbott as an Abstract Expressionist. What game are you playing by denying it? Or are you just fond of being contrary? Possibly I didn’t express myself clearly enough to get my point through your thick, pointlessly argumentative head? I did not invent the classification ‘Abstract Expressionist’ nor did I apply it to that example. Academic art critics et al did. If you’d noticed i went on to say "I’m more often than not unable to deduce what the hell is being expressed other than “OOh! I do love playing with paint” you may have grasped my point. I’m tired of these absurd nit picking discussions.

Stop being silly, this is about Art.

I find Ahn Do somewhat hit and miss. This is one of his better ones.

https://i.postimg.cc/8CsgV3pw/Ahn-Do-portrait.jpg

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 5:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 8:36pm: Too red for me but she has some that I like. One of the best female impressionists of her time. Impressionist? Is that a joke? _____________________________________________________________- This thread is interesting for reasons I hadn’t expected when it started. It’s telling us a lot about the minds of those posting here, often without them knowing it. Take for instance the little scenario below. i was presented with a complete set of Arthur Mees Encyclopaedia before I even attended kindergarten, filled with copius numbers of illustrations, many of ‘great’ works of art. One particular image had a profound effect upon my view of our species, a view I’m still prone to. To learn at an early age that adults could behave this way was burnt into my mind never to leave me. Some would say it made me a cynic, I claim it made me a realist.

Amazing art.
I have never seen this before.

The subject matter, the gestures, lighting, tapestry of her dress, postures............

Mambo

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It_is_the_Light  :D

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Cool.

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breath

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art against violence

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Mural Painting is a growing form of Art in Australia.
The 'Dream Big' theme is popular and my area has had a number of recent inclusions. Expect more around the country.

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And speaking of murals. The native rock art, like much primitive work, has a compelling, almost visceral, quality.

https://i.postimg.cc/4dYQLsQv/Kimberley-mural.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

I find Ahn Do somewhat hit and miss. This is one of his better ones. https://i.postimg.cc/8CsgV3pw/Ahn-Do-portrait.jpg

His recent work is far less hit and miss. Previously many of his portraits gave the impression he’d attacked the canvas in a fit with a palette knife. Of late, for reasons he hasn’t told us, his technique has been far more refined and less painterly.

I find the the way his portrait program is produced very irritating. A lot of effort is put into hiding how exactly he produces those images. It’s as if he’s told the producers he doesn’t want any of his ’technical secrets’ given away. We see more of him scooping up paint than how he actually applies it in relation to the entire image. The trick of sending the subject away so as Ahn can ‘Just finish it off’ has us totally in the dark as to what his does at that stage.
Decent enough bloke but useless as a teacher.

Which leads to the contentious question, what is or isn’t ‘ART’ ? Any image produced by anyone? Only some?
What about images produced by nobody? Well nobody unless you’re of a thelogical bent.

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ART is 'visual' and 'visualisation' comes in many ways.

Art & Writing are both 'visual' - they are the 'eyes'.
The Nose, Ears (Hearing), the Voice (Speaking, Singing), Touching, Tasting (Cooking Industry) and more - all belong to other Industries.

I think you'll get the picture now.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 6:59am:

And speaking of murals. The native rock art, like much primitive work, has a compelling, almost visceral, quality. https://i.postimg.cc/4dYQLsQv/Kimberley-mural.jpg

I do love 'ancient' Human Art. To stand and gaze upon an Artistic expression from so long ago that represented us Humans in the most rawest and truest of our natures to carry us down through the ages, is amazing.
To say "We are here and we now understand the meaning of 'time' as these pictures will carry us down through the ages like a footprint to follow" etc.

I know people seek 'experiences' in this day an age.
But to gaze upon what these people must have experienced to some degree so so long ago when Humanity was indeed 'alone' in the world...

When I gaze upon Rock Art, it doesn't matter if it was Neanderthalic, Aboriginal, Bornean, Xhoi-Sanic - they are all  ancient, raw, original and in the moment.

Camp by a known Cave Art spot (with permission of course and a $fee) and just stay around there for awhile. After a week - alone with the Art, the pictures soon become alive and as the rest of the world fades away in your outback isolation - you can just 'barely' feel the transportation back in time to when those paintings were done and see the world then, as they did... 'pure' and uncorrupted. It's moments like that - that recharges oneself to deal with the modern world and all of its over-complicated stupidity and 'weakness'.

Jasin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 2:29am:

art against violence

Bravo !

Wonderful

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 1:43pm:

Which leads to the contentious question, what is or isn’t ‘ART’ ? Any image produced by anyone? Only some? What about images produced by nobody? Well nobody unless you’re of a thelogical bent.

Quote:

......  what is or isn’t ‘ART’ ?          ....

hhmmmm

Art can be anything that is created?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 6^th, 2021 at 7:58am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 5th, 2021 at 9:16pm: I find Ahn Do somewhat hit and miss. This is one of his better ones. https://i.postimg.cc/8CsgV3pw/Ahn-Do-portrait.jpg His recent work is far less hit and miss. Previously many of his portraits gave the impression he’d attacked the canvas in a fit with a palette knife. Of late, for reasons he hasn’t told us, his technique has been far more refined and less painterly. I find the the way his portrait program is produced very irritating. A lot of effort is put into hiding how exactly he produces those images. It’s as if he’s told the producers he doesn’t want any of his ’technical secrets’ given away. We see more of him scooping up paint than how he actually applies it in relation to the entire image. The trick of sending the subject away so as Ahn can ‘Just finish it off’ has us totally in the dark as to what his does at that stage. Decent enough bloke but useless as a teacher.

Anh isn't on TV to teach Art. He's a quasi-Art/Entertainer and more 'Celebrity' himself via dealing with Celebrities, etc. He's a TV dude who also does Art. He is very good at getting to the colour of a person's life and the shape of who they are. The 'experience' Anh offers to people through Art could almost be psychological and spiritual for their participation. Anh proves that 'just painting the picture' is not enough - story adds value to the experience.

There is another Art Program (Nude painting) that presents a teaching aspect. Being a former Nude Model for Artists myself, I found it very educational for would be Artists of portraiture.

I can think of at least two ways to appreciate a painting. The first is to just look at it, and let it conjure up whatever in the mind. Picasso's Woman in Red Armchair may not seem all that special today, but I just love the way it confounded people, when it first appeared. It is also important to put the composition in context, and that is where a deepening understanding of history and sociology is helpful, and that perspective needs to be a lifelong quest. What the painting means to the individual, and what it was a reaction to, are far more important than the spurious notion of artistic meaning.

https://i.postimg.cc/J0rRYD66/picasso-001.jpg

Interesting Issuevoter.
So what then is your take on that Picasso Picture then?
I'm not familiar with that one of Picasso's.

My take on Picasso's Red Chair? I would have to refer you to my post #88 which I will add here to save looking for it. I said:

"I think it is a mistake to interpret a meaning for such works, or for that matter to pass judgement on them. The only question I ask myself is, "Would I hang it on my wall?" "

In this case, the answer is yes, and I expect I would see it differently on any given day.

A small selection, rich with beauty, color and femininity!

https://i.imgur.com/mO57hce.jpg

La Grande Odalisque by 1814 by Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres

https://i.imgur.com/MBiL0GU.jpg

Delhi Beauty

https://i.imgur.com/a0ffpN7.png

Mughal Woman

https://i.imgur.com/iaNx7i5.png

Mughal Woman 2

https://i.imgur.com/QRYxlcv.jpg

The Bodhisattva Quan Yin. The Buddhist embodiment of Compassion, Mercy and Love.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 12:59pm:

My take on Picasso's Red Chair? I would have to refer you to my post #88 which I will add here to save looking for it. I said: "I think it is a mistake to interpret a meaning for such works, or for that matter to pass judgement on them. The only question I ask myself is, "Would I hang it on my wall?" " In this case, the answer is yes, and I expect I would see it differently on any given day.

She does look like a shapely woman, the more I look at it.

Hi Oktema. That's the picture that inspired me in High School to ask my female Art Teacher if I could paint her 'nude'. It almost came to pass, but in the end, we both thought better of it as 'it would' have caused a lot of trouble in the School Educational realm, although it wouldn't have in an official Art environment. You brought back sweet mamm... er, memories.

Love this thread!

I have done a lot of painting and haven’t done so for a few years and wanted to feel inspired again to get back into it.

When we went cruising, I always went to the art auction... for the free glass of champagne which lured me in there...  :)

But I love to see all these budding new artists and their incredible works!

One painting I looked at effected me... I tried to stifle my tears....
by Jim Warren - All dogs go to heaven.

https://i.imgur.com/8HczoYs.jpg

I had put up some amazing art pictures in the Travel forum in the cruise thread last year, on all different decks, at stairwells and hallways, amazing art.
I guess I learnt a lot about modern art on cruise ships and art auctions, sipping champagne!

Oh, and I actually won a piece of art at a draw!
Hey, I just sat there throughout the whole episode and only a handful left at the end... yipeee... it paid off... winner me :)

Our own Norman Lindsey was a  true "Renaissance Man," with talents and abilities in Art, writing, woodworking, sculpture, and architectural design. Here is a portrait of his favourite model. She was Rita Lee. Mother Spanish, father Chinese. Lindsey did many drawings and paintings of her during the 1930s and 40s.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSFSWvC4/Rita-Lee.jpg

Isaac Maimon - tea time... love the colours

https://i.imgur.com/TEYG0H2.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 10:44pm:

Our own Norman Lindsey was a  true "Renaissance Man," with talents and abilities in Art, writing, woodworking, sculpture, and architectural design. Here is a portrait of his favourite model. She was Rita Lee. Mother Spanish, father Chinese. Lindsey did many drawings and paintings of her during the 1930s and 40s. https://i.postimg.cc/YSFSWvC4/Rita-Lee.jpg

Great capture of soulful expression in her eyes

That's a popular painting there Lols.
I love the intergration of dogs and clouds.
Looks like the world's best off-leash area.

...well done on your win.  8-)


Norman Lindsey was good aye.

Very bright and colourful 'Tea Time'.

Here’s a link to Art and artists for Park West Gallery.

https://www.parkwestgallery.com/browse-artwork/?gclid=CjwKCAiA_9r_BRBZEiwAHZ_v14nXmD_AlIs3vIJrnm54zC8BHrngA9KruRyt17cuJSo4m6o4jXx5mRoCwcEQAvD_BwE

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Very bright and colourful 'Tea Time'.

Yes, cheery. I have bought coffee cups with matching coasters similar to that colourful “tea time ladies” painting.
Have I ever put up my ballerina? I used monotone pastel chalk.
Also I have some “unfinished” others, one I particularly liked was a girl playing piano, using monotone pastel chalk, on art paper that feels like sandpaper.... very different art feeling.

Sophia wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 10:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 10:54pm: Very bright and colourful 'Tea Time'. Yes, cheery. I have bought coffee cups with matching coasters similar to that colourful “tea time ladies” painting.

Almost reminds me of that purplish/goldy Thai Silk stuff.

Anyone remember these?
Sadly the factory out beyond Seven Hills in Sydney closed up a few decades back. But I enjoyed them for what they were. Bit hard on the fingers a bit after a time.

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OMG yes! Hobbytex!
I still have a tin ful of them somewhere in my midst of artsy stuff!
Probably all dried up by now!
I used to see the kids their Wincheeters or t-shirts and do art on them that they related to at their age.

Sophia wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:04pm:

OMG yes! Hobbytex! I still have a tin ful of them somewhere in my midst of artsy stuff! Probably all dried up by now!

NO WAYYYYY!!!!
Collectors item now. I should search my oldies house to see if they still have em too. I think they keep.

I enjoyed the blending aspect of them on that material they use.

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:06pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:04pm: OMG yes! Hobbytex! I still have a tin ful of them somewhere in my midst of artsy stuff! Probably all dried up by now! NO WAYYYYY!!!! Collectors item now. I should search my oldies house to see if they still have em too. I think they keep.

Yes! I’m a collector (actually more of a hoarder!)
And I say to my daughter that makes her laugh whenever she discovers something odd or old “oh...that’s a collectable ya know!”

Sophia wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:10pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:06pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:04pm: OMG yes! Hobbytex! I still have a tin ful of them somewhere in my midst of artsy stuff! Probably all dried up by now! NO WAYYYYY!!!! Collectors item now. I should search my oldies house to see if they still have em too. I think they keep. Yes! I’m a collector (actually more of a hoarder!) And I say to my daughter that makes her laugh whenever she discovers something odd or old “oh...that’s a collectable ya know!”

;D
Just don't go squalor too.  ;D

My first favourite exhibition was by Sister Rosemary Crumlin (Parramatta) called Beyond Belief. It really blew me away, when I saw it in Melbourne at the Vic Nat Gallery.

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Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:13pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:10pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:06pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 11:04pm: OMG yes! Hobbytex! I still have a tin ful of them somewhere in my midst of artsy stuff! Probably all dried up by now! NO WAYYYYY!!!! Collectors item now. I should search my oldies house to see if they still have em too. I think they keep. Yes! I’m a collector (actually more of a hoarder!) And I say to my daughter that makes her laugh whenever she discovers something odd or old “oh...that’s a collectable ya know!” ;D Just don't go squalor too.  ;D

Defo not!
Everything in good Nic!
My home... clean enough to be healthy, dirty enough to be happy.
We actually made a lot of beautiful arty Christmas cards that are “pop ups”
I always create fun at little outings with paper ... showing how to make a mini origami Xmas tree... it seems people feel happy and relaxed with something arty to do. Creating your own stuff.

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

My first favourite exhibition was by Sister Rosemary Crumlin (Parramatta) called Beyond Belief. It really blew me away, when I saw it in Melbourne at the Vic Nat Gallery.

That’s fantastic! Very modern religion.

That's good Lols.
I won't go into detail, but I destroyed 20 years of all my art out in the Riverina (fire), but I just consider it '1st Draft' now.

I am deeply inspired by Burley-Griffith and probably why I found myself in Melbourne for 7 years and Leeton much later.
I also 'originated' at the age of 16 the design concept of turning upper Parramatta River into a Gondola/Venice boardwalks, etc. The Council said I was visionary. But nothing much happened after that. About 5 years ago the council there seemed to have re-invigorated my concept idea as on the News, Architects and designers have drummed up a potential for it to happen one day.

I do want to get into this form of art, but more on canvas than body/fashion. I think it is also another very Australian form of art that is growing exceptionally well. Always reminds me of a night dive underwater.

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hmm... yes. It is late, no its early - 1am in the morning. Rise and Shine again Lols!  :D

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:59pm:

hmm... yes. It is late, no its early - 1am in the morning. Rise and Shine again Lols!  :D

Haha yes JaSin ... good morning!
I’m not usually an early riser as I’m a night owl...but occasionally a rare morning or so I’m awake wide eyed and bushy tailed... so this morning is that rarity  ;D

Jasin wrote on Jan 7^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

I do want to get into this form of art, but more on canvas than body/fashion. I think it is also another very Australian form of art that is growing exceptionally well. Always reminds me of a night dive underwater.

That reminds me of techno type art.
Was thinking, what type art I like... I don’t have any type..I  could look at something and it can make me “feel” .... or make me go “wow” or... make me go “yuk”.... but always a reaction... which is what art is supposed to do.

I might dig out something “unfinished” ... put it up in here so I can try to be inspired to complete it... has anyone else have incomplete works?

Afternoon to you Lols.
Yes this genre of Art is very popular and as a profession to organise and set up - it's a growing business.

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No, I would not hang this one on my wall, but it is sociologically important in comprehending pre-pill Western culture. It is not merely prudish or moralistic.



https://i.postimg.cc/g0J7ngjj/awakening-conscience-1853.jpg

Yes, the Corbet is delicious especially the colour of the water which isn’t often captured as well. However, he should have known not to mix too much turpentine(?) with the oil. Maybe the canvas wasn’t primed properly? The resulting cracks are disturbing.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 10^th, 2021 at 10:18pm:

No, I would not hang this one on my wall, but it is sociologically important in comprehending pre-pill Western culture. It is not merely prudish or moralistic. https://i.postimg.cc/g0J7ngjj/awakening-conscience-1853.jpg

Always had me pondering if she’s deciding ‘Will I be forward and sit on it?’ or ‘Cicily warned me Cedric’s member was massive. Do I dare?’

And what is he thinking? I’ll leave that to others to ponder.

The more I think about the influence of art on my early childhood the more I realise I was not only inspired by images but at times traumatised in a way that’s lasted a lifetime. My earliest negative views about human nature were formed from reactions to images I stumbled across in my 12 volume encyclopaedia.(most of you are too young to remember these) Instance the one below which gave me nightmares for years.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 11^th, 2021 at 1:00pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 10:18pm: No, I would not hang this one on my wall, but it is sociologically important in comprehending pre-pill Western culture. It is not merely prudish or moralistic. https://i.postimg.cc/g0J7ngjj/awakening-conscience-1853.jpg Always had me pondering if she’s deciding ‘Will I be forward and sit on it?’ or ‘Cicily warned me Cedric’s member was massive. Do I dare?’ And what is he thinking? I’ll leave that to others to ponder.

He's saying, "Ya gotta pay your dues, if ya wanna play the blues!"

issuevoter wrote on Jan 11^th, 2021 at 5:04pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 1:00pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 10th, 2021 at 10:18pm: No, I would not hang this one on my wall, but it is sociologically important in comprehending pre-pill Western culture. It is not merely prudish or moralistic. https://i.postimg.cc/g0J7ngjj/awakening-conscience-1853.jpg Always had me pondering if she’s deciding ‘Will I be forward and sit on it?’ or ‘Cicily warned me Cedric’s member was massive. Do I dare?’ And what is he thinking? I’ll leave that to others to ponder. He's saying, "Ya gotta pay your dues, if ya wanna play the blues!"

The blues hadn’t reached Europe by that time, he’s more likely saying something like ‘If you want to play a polka it's expected you be poked my dear'

Colonials were given the name “diggers” by the British, because many of them came to Australia to do just that. Here is Hobson's Bay at the Height of the Gold Rush. When the diggers arrived in the fastest sailing ships ever built.



https://i.postimg.cc/YC9814pX/Hobson-s-Bay-Gold-Rush.png

Being reminded of early Australian lanscapes has me remembering a dismissive judgement I made of early Tasmanian scenes. Until I moved to Tasmania, and experienced for myself the light in autumn, I took images such as the one below (Mount Olympus, Lake St Clair, Tasmania, the source of the Derwent, 1875 WC Piguenit) to be over romanticised. No, the light in autumn and spring here really is ‘romantic’.

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This thread has triggered a lot of memories of paintings I became aware of at a very early age and the effect they had. The scene below (Gustave Courbet's The Artist's Studio, 1854-55) puzzled me, especially the old man on the right staring at the models buns. The weirdly ambiguous background is almost dreamlike and to  this day still makes no sense unless it’s an attempt at illustrating the artist’s sub-conscious. Must read up on it..

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

This thread has triggered a lot of memories of paintings I became aware of at a very early age and the effect they had. The scene below (Gustave Courbet's The Artist's Studio, 1854-55) puzzled me, especially the old man on the right staring at the models buns. The weirdly ambiguous background is almost dreamlike and to  this day still makes no sense unless it’s an attempt at illustrating the artist’s sub-conscious. Must read up on it..

They are all people from Courbet's life. Baudelaire is reading on the far right.

I started this thread with a Courbet painting. He was prolific across genres. Along with Klee, my personal favourite.

http://www.paul-klee.org/Angelus%20Novus%20Paul%20Klee.jpg

ANGELUS NOVUS

"His face is turned toward the past. Where we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage upon wreckage and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violence that the angel can no longer close them. The storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back his turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. The storm is what we call progress." WB.

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2021 at 7:41am:

They are all people from Courbet's life. Baudelaire is reading on the far right.

Thanks ,but I was hoping someone could identify the old bugger on the right oggling the models buns. Strange were the fine arts can take one’s curiosity.

As to Klee I’m conflicted. I find some of his work fun but others make me feel I should be standing on my head to view them (see below)
Reminds me of an evening spent viewing high definition slides of Roger Kemps work. Every so often his wife would chime in  ‘Darling, you’ve got it upside down’.
Him ‘It doesn’t matter’. 

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It's Champfleury,  among the first to recognise Courber's talent. Here's a clise-up.
https://www.wikiart.org/en/gustave-courbet/portrait-of-champfleury-1855

A photo of him.
https://xn--rpubliquedeslettres-bzb.fr/champfleury-9782824901152.php

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2021 at 9:20am:

It's Champfleury,  among the first to recognise Courber's talent. Here's a clise-up. https://www.wikiart.org/en/gustave-courbet/portrait-of-champfleury-1855 A photo of him. https://xn--rpubliquedeslettres-bzb.fr/champfleury-9782824901152.php

Thanks for the links but they don’t answer my suspicion that Courbet was simply suggesting Chamfleury was in some way a voyeur.

I find Paul Klee's work interesting, but I don't spend a lot of time on his 2 dimensional geometries. This one is not so much like patchwork.

https://i.postimg.cc/13PKWjK7/shepherd-1929-paul-klee.jpg

issuevoter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

I find Paul Klee's work interesting, but I don't spend a lot of time on his 2 dimensional geometries. This one is not so much like patchwork. https://i.postimg.cc/13PKWjK7/shepherd-1929-paul-klee.jpg

This is one of those works where the actual process of creating it and the fun it gave the artist is on full display. 

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 13^th, 2021 at 8:03pm:

This thread has triggered a lot of memories of paintings I became aware of at a very early age and the effect they had. The scene below (Gustave Courbet's The Artist's Studio, 1854-55) puzzled me, especially the old man on the right staring at the models buns. The weirdly ambiguous background is almost dreamlike and to  this day still makes no sense unless it’s an attempt at illustrating the artist’s sub-conscious. Must read up on it..

I remember seeing this painting being discussed some time ago and so many questions about the subjects!
Puzzling it is!

Sophia wrote on Jan 14^th, 2021 at 10:24pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 8:03pm: This thread has triggered a lot of memories of paintings I became aware of at a very early age and the effect they had. The scene below (Gustave Courbet's The Artist's Studio, 1854-55) puzzled me, especially the old man on the right staring at the models buns. The weirdly ambiguous background is almost dreamlike and to  this day still makes no sense unless it’s an attempt at illustrating the artist’s sub-conscious. Must read up on it.. I remember seeing this painting being discussed some time ago and so many questions about the subjects! Puzzling it is!

Er..... ummmm........ the title of the painting offers some very large clues:"The Painter's Studio: A Real Allegory Summing Up Seven Years of My Life as an Artist from 1848 to 1855"


Allegory: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/a/allegory

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 14th, 2021 at 10:24pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 13th, 2021 at 8:03pm: This thread has triggered a lot of memories of paintings I became aware of at a very early age and the effect they had. The scene below (Gustave Courbet's The Artist's Studio, 1854-55) puzzled me, especially the old man on the right staring at the models buns. The weirdly ambiguous background is almost dreamlike and to  this day still makes no sense unless it’s an attempt at illustrating the artist’s sub-conscious. Must read up on it.. I remember seeing this painting being discussed some time ago and so many questions about the subjects! Puzzling it is! Er..... ummmm........ the title of the painting offers some very large clues:"The Painter's Studio: A Real Allegory Summing Up Seven Years of My Life as an Artist from 1848 to 1855" Allegory: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/a/allegory

Oh well, that explains it all then!
Some paintings tell a thousand words...but this one...like, where's the dips, entres , drinks...all them people, and one nude.
And the artist is painting a landscape of some sort...

issuevoter wrote on Jan 11^th, 2021 at 5:23pm:

Colonials were given the name “diggers” by the British, because many of them came to Australia to do just that. Here is Hobson's Bay at the Height of the Gold Rush. When the diggers arrived in the fastest sailing ships ever built. https://i.postimg.cc/YC9814pX/Hobson-s-Bay-Gold-Rush.png

Just love these type of paintings with the tall ships and masts.

In Ancestry, I actually traced back to the 1500's for a elder cousin's husband....the tall ships from England to America.

When I see these paintings, this is what it must have been like.

Fascinating to trace back into the past, the history of ships that sailed from one country to another.

Sophia wrote on Jan 15^th, 2021 at 11:48pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 5:23pm: Colonials were given the name “diggers” by the British, because many of them came to Australia to do just that. Here is Hobson's Bay at the Height of the Gold Rush. When the diggers arrived in the fastest sailing ships ever built. https://i.postimg.cc/YC9814pX/Hobson-s-Bay-Gold-Rush.png Just love these type of paintings with the tall ships and masts. In Ancestry, I actually traced back to the 1500's for a elder cousin's husband....the tall ships from England to America. When I see these paintings, this is what it must have been like. Fascinating to trace back into the past, the history of ships that sailed from one country to another.

Lois, I am glad you are interested in ships. I don't mean this in a critical way, but you should know that the term "Tall Ship," was not used during the era. They were sailing ships and square riggers. "Tall Ship," is a poetic allusion, created by John Masefield in the poem Sea Fever. It got popularised in the 1960s with the advent of the Tall Ships Race for sail training vessels.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2021 at 8:51am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 15th, 2021 at 11:48pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 5:23pm: Colonials were given the name “diggers” by the British, because many of them came to Australia to do just that. Here is Hobson's Bay at the Height of the Gold Rush. When the diggers arrived in the fastest sailing ships ever built. https://i.postimg.cc/YC9814pX/Hobson-s-Bay-Gold-Rush.png Just love these type of paintings with the tall ships and masts. In Ancestry, I actually traced back to the 1500's for a elder cousin's husband....the tall ships from England to America. When I see these paintings, this is what it must have been like. Fascinating to trace back into the past, the history of ships that sailed from one country to another. Lois, I am glad you are interested in ships. I don't mean this in a critical way, but you should know that the term "Tall Ship," was not used during the era. They were sailing ships and square riggers. "Tall Ship," is a poetic allusion, created by John Masefield in the poem Sea Fever. It got popularised in the 1960s with the advent of the Tall Ships Race for sail training vessels.

So tall ships was a short order.  :)
Learn something new all the time from old paintings, after all!

I had sailed on an old vessel with them sails and steering wheel, the sea became so rough... I was standing at back, and the captain says “conditions can change, and change quick!”  :-?
All I saw was front of vessel wildly bouncing from side to side
Yet at back, was very steady
Must look for my old film photos to see name of that ship.

A while ago I mentioned Roger Kemp in passing. His ‘abstractions’ are anything but yet when he first appeared on the commercial art scene in Melbourne he was almost universally rejected. At the time anyone who lurched towards the modern was rejected by most galleries. I’ve taken some time to return to his work finding it far more dynamic than I remember it. There’s a dynamism and movement in most of his compositions (which to my eye) take them beyond mere abstractions.
I suggest he’s yet another Australian artist still undervalued today.

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Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 5:32pm:

Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste.

Are you sure that’s what he’s alluding to? I’m not but sadly he’s departed the planet so I can’t ask him. However I do recall him once telling us at an exhibition of his work “My Symbols are intended to suggest how modern man was scientifically, intellectually and spiritually evolving into a higher entity.” or words to that effect.
Here’s another of his works friends of mine owned for some years. I always felt I could ‘Go walking in it’
This discussion has posed more questions than I have answers for even though I spoke with Kemp about his work so I’ve ordered this little tome to fill in the gaps.
https://www.thenile.com.au/books/david-hurlston/roger-kemp-visionary-modernist/9781925432695?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqqbV8dei7gIVlYdLBR17xwVoEAQYASABEgLNBvD_BwE

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 5:32pm:

Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste.

I can’t imagine what a subtle image of the Crucifixion would involve. Since early childhood I’ve found images of Christ on the cross deeply disturbing.  I still find the theology underlying images of a deity torturing his son (who is actually part of himself ) disturbing. I’ve probably said too much about all this on other sections of the forum so will resist sermonising.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 6:59pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:32pm: Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste. Are you sure that’s what he’s alluding to?

Yes, I am quite sure.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 8:58pm:

Yes, I am quite sure.

"For a specific example of Kemp’s mature work, we may take his winning entry in the 1968 Blake Prize entitled The Cross.  This is not just a cruciform design representing the cross of Calvary, which would give the painting a ready if shallow intelligibility.  It must be understood more profoundly in terms of the interplay of the symbols of his pictorial language.  It is an opening to a metaphysical, not a literally religious, meaning.  The cross, he said in a 1975 ABC interview, draws each person back to their own centre… We have lost our centre.  The cross is to bring us back.  People are alienated today.  The central cross is a point of balance, of reference.  The cross stands for rebirth.  The human figure of his earlier work remains embedded in his cruciform shapes.  Thus Kemp took up Gleeson’s metaphor: All the crosses in my paintings are like figures, like ballet choreography starting to move with the music.  They break and then come together" (The Australian, 9 September 1978).

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 18^th, 2021 at 1:29pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 8:58pm: Yes, I am quite sure. "For a specific example of Kemp’s mature work, we may take his winning entry in the 1968 Blake Prize entitled The Cross.  This is not just a cruciform design representing the cross of Calvary, which would give the painting a ready if shallow intelligibility.  It must be understood more profoundly in terms of the interplay of the symbols of his pictorial language.  It is an opening to a metaphysical, not a literally religious, meaning.  The cross, he said in a 1975 ABC interview, draws each person back to their own centre… We have lost our centre.  The cross is to bring us back.  People are alienated today.  The central cross is a point of balance, of reference.  The cross stands for rebirth.  The human figure of his earlier work remains embedded in his cruciform shapes.  Thus Kemp took up Gleeson’s metaphor: All the crosses in my paintings are like figures, like ballet choreography starting to move with the music.  They break and then come together" (The Australian, 9 September 1978).

This is a long-winded way for Kemp to admit the crucifixion is deep in his psyche. He needs to paint flowers and lighten up.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2021 at 7:27pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:32pm: Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste. I can’t imagine what a subtle image of the Crucifixion would involve. Since early childhood I’ve found images of Christ on the cross deeply disturbing.  I still find the theology underlying images of a deity torturing his son (who is actually part of himself ) disturbing. I’ve probably said too much about all this on other sections of the forum so will resist sermonising.

You're confused to your Christian theocracy. God didn't torture His Son. Mankind tortured and murdered His Son. The God-Deity did this so that Mankind could recognise the Evil in the heart of Man.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 19^th, 2021 at 11:04pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 7:27pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:32pm: Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste. I can’t imagine what a subtle image of the Crucifixion would involve. Since early childhood I’ve found images of Christ on the cross deeply disturbing.  I still find the theology underlying images of a deity torturing his son (who is actually part of himself ) disturbing. I’ve probably said too much about all this on other sections of the forum so will resist sermonising. You're confused to your Christian theocracy. God didn't torture His Son. Mankind tortured and murdered His Son. The God-Deity did this so that Mankind could recognise the Evil in the heart of Man.

Bollocks

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 19^th, 2021 at 11:04pm:

You're confused to your Christian theocracy. God didn't torture His Son. Mankind tortured and murdered His Son. The God-Deity did this so that Mankind could recognise the Evil in the heart of Man.

Biblical apologetics is a pathetic, third rate discipline and you’re not very good at it.
Possibly you should meditate upon God’s omniscience and it’s implications in the light of ‘him’ knowing where the creation of our species would end. You might also gain some understanding of the theological ‘mysteries’ by pondering where the creation of ’the evil in the heart of man’ came from. And don’t bother trying to pull that old trick of God having granted humankind free will. In the light of God’s omniscience the sadistic nature of that supposed being is fully illustrated in granting free will.You may also wish to digest the contradiction between Psalm 62 V 11 and Psalm 62 V 12.
If none of that works for you continue on your mission supported by the consolation of Romans Ch 10. V 15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bALwhh7H7Co

issuevoter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2021 at 9:43pm:

This is a long-winded way for Kemp to admit the crucifixion is deep in his psyche. He needs to paint flowers and lighten up.

I’m sure he’d be delighted to follow your artistic recommendations. Unfortunately he departed the planet on 14th September 1987

issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 4:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:04pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 7:27pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 17th, 2021 at 5:32pm: Kemp's allusion to Crucifixion is just a bit too blatant for my taste. I can’t imagine what a subtle image of the Crucifixion would involve. Since early childhood I’ve found images of Christ on the cross deeply disturbing.  I still find the theology underlying images of a deity torturing his son (who is actually part of himself ) disturbing. I’ve probably said too much about all this on other sections of the forum so will resist sermonising. You're confused to your Christian theocracy. God didn't torture His Son. Mankind tortured and murdered His Son. The God-Deity did this so that Mankind could recognise the Evil in the heart of Man. Bollocks

Never mind.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 20^th, 2021 at 7:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 19th, 2021 at 11:04pm: You're confused to your Christian theocracy. God didn't torture His Son. Mankind tortured and murdered His Son. The God-Deity did this so that Mankind could recognise the Evil in the heart of Man. Biblical apologetics is a pathetic, third rate discipline and you’re not very good at it. Possibly you should meditate upon God’s omniscience and it’s implications in the light of ‘him’ knowing where the creation of our species would end. You might also gain some understanding of the theological ‘mysteries’ by pondering where the creation of ’the evil in the heart of man’ came from. And don’t bother trying to pull that old trick of God having granted humankind free will. In the light of God’s omniscience the sadistic nature of that supposed being is fully illustrated in granting free will.You may also wish to digest the contradiction between Psalm 62 V 11 and Psalm 62 V 12. If none of that works for you continue on your mission supported by the consolation of Romans Ch 10. V 15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bALwhh7H7Co

I'm not apologising for the Bible. I'm an existentialist.

Neferti wrote on Dec 26^th, 2020 at 9:26am:

How about Tom Roberts, an Australian artist. https://www.artnet.com/WebServices/images/ll00010lldjToGFgaeECfDrCWvaHBOcaJ8C/tom-roberts-coastal-landscape.jpg

I adore his work but at times it’s hard for me to be objective about many of his seaside views as I grew up on or near them. Makes me homesick at times.

There are more than a few paintings I’m fascinated by without being able to explain my attraction to them. I suspect my reaction in this case is more to do with me reading my life experience into this portrait rather than anything the artist intended.
  Portrait of a Carthusian ( 1446 ) by Petrus Christus manages to convince (delude?) me I know/knew this man. 

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Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time
by Eric Karpeles (Editor)
4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews
A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke.


With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2021 at 10:21pm:

Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel.

Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined.

they probably write wine labels too.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 4:26am:

Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:21pm: Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel. Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined. they probably write wine labels too.

Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Artist’s portraits of other artists have always fascinated me. Sometimes they’re more honest about their subject than usual.
This one is for sale at the moment. Any rich forum members with exquisite taste  (like mine) can grab a bargain.https://www.paintinghere.com/painting/louise_breslau_the_sculptor_jean_carries_in_his_atelier_19783.html

Louise Breslau: The Sculptor Jean Carries in his Atelier.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 7:15am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 4:26am: Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:21pm: Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel. Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined. they probably write wine labels too. Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’?

Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels.

Groucho Marx-  whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions?  Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic?
You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 7:15am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 4:26am: Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:21pm: Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel. Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined. they probably write wine labels too. Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’? Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels. Groucho Marx-  whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions?  Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic? You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

This is what I meant by creative wine labels


Quote:

........... 1. …this texturally silken, supremely elegant effort transparently and kaleidoscopically combines moss, wet stone, gentian, buddleia, coriander, pepper, piquant yet rich nut oils and a saline clam broth savor that milks the salivary glands. But besides this impressive array of non-fruity components, white peach and lemon deliver abundant primary juiciness and animating tang, rendering the finish as invigorating and refreshing as it is vibrant, mouthwatering and dynamically complex….       ...............

https://www.undergroundwineletter.com/2018/03/2017-stupid-wine-description-winners/

I'ld buy the wine for the label - I don't like wine but admire such ........... 'artistry'.

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:29pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 7:15am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 4:26am: Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:21pm: Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel. Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined. they probably write wine labels too. Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’? Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels. Groucho Marx-  whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions?  Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic? You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it.

I get tired of the pointless antagonism forums of this kind appear to specialise in.
As to reading ’things I don’t know about’ my fervent hope is I never run out of things to read I don’t know about .
Although i confess to not thoroughly having read all of Proust I am familiar with his  In Search of Lost Time and his Les plaisirs et les jours . However,  these left me wondering how he could be so closeted as to fight a duel with a man who accused him of being gay.
As you suggest, I’m fully qualified to ask stupid questions so I still want to know what it means to be a ‘Proustian’.

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Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 8:29pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 7:15am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 4:26am: Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 10:21pm: Paintings in Proust: A Visual Companion to In Search of Lost Time by Eric Karpeles (Editor) 4.34  ·   Rating details ·  749 ratings  ·  58 reviews A la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust is one of the most profoundly visual works in Western literature. Not only are there frequent references to specific works of art, but certain characters are also evoked by comparison to particular paintings. Bloch’s appearance as a boy is likened to the portrait of Mehmet II by Gentile Bellini; Odette de Crécy strikes Swann by her resemblance to a figure in a Botticelli fresco. Even the lesser figure of a certain Mme. Blattin becomes the subject of Proustian mischief by being described as “exactly the portrait of Savonarola by Fra Bartolomeo.” Eric Karpeles has identified and located the many paintings to which Proust makes reference and sets them alongside the relevant text from the novel; in other cases, where only a painter’s name is mentioned to indicate a certain style or appearance, Karpeles has chosen a representative work to illustrate the impression that Proust sought to evoke. With some 200 paintings beautifully reproduced in full color and texts drawn from the Moncrieff/Kilmartin/Enright translation, as well as concise commentaries on the evolving narrative, this book is an essential addition to the libraries of Proustians everywhere. The book also includes an authoritative introduction and a comprehensive index of artists and paintings mentioned in the novel. Whoever wrote that is more creative than all those painters combined. they probably write wine labels too. Has me wondering what qualifications does one require to be termed a ‘Proustian’? Sprint, good to see that your literary horizons go all the way out to wine labels. Groucho Marx-  whoever said anything about requirements for being a Proustian? What are the qualifications/ requirements for asking such stupid questions?  Mebbe reading things you don't know about would be a start. Am I too didactic? You mentioned the trope of recignising people in paintings. I gave you a reference to a book about it. I get tired of the pointless antagonism forums of this kind appear to specialise in. As to reading ’things I don’t know about’ my fervent hope is I never run out of things to read I don’t know about . Although i confess to not thoroughly having read all of Proust I am familiar with his  In Search of Lost Time and his Les plaisirs et les jours . However,  these left me wondering how he could be so closeted as to fight a duel with a man who accused him of being gay. As you suggest, I’m fully qualified to ask stupid questions so I still want to know what it means to be a ‘Proustian’.

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2021 at 9:31pm:

Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more.

Proustian
/ˈpruːstɪən/
adjective
adjective: Proustian
relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory.

So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 9:31pm: Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more. Proustian /ˈpruːstɪən/ adjective adjective: Proustian relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory. So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’?

Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested).

I can't  provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't  read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about.

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2021 at 8:51pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27th, 2021 at 8:49am: Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 9:31pm: Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more. Proustian /ˈpruːstɪən/ adjective adjective: Proustian relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory. So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’? Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested). I can't  provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't  read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about.

I gave up reading both Freud and Proust a long time ago. As far as I’m concerned neither of them could think their way out of a wet, brown paper bag.
As to ‘unlettered’ why haven’t you listed your qualifications? Maybe, like so many degrees of the last several decades, especially those in the ‘arts' they aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on?

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On ABC TV last night was a documentary about Sidney Nolan.
I must say I’m not a big fan of his style... yet until recent, one of his paintings fetched a record $5mil... highest in Australian art industry... until this one recently fetched an even higher figure... mainly because the hefty buyers premium bs at auctions pushing up the value.
I’m not sure I’m a fan of this type of painting style either!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-26/brett-whiteley-auction-sets-new-record-henris-armchair/12925342

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 28^th, 2021 at 9:32am:

Frank wrote on Jan 27th, 2021 at 8:51pm: Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 27th, 2021 at 8:49am: Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2021 at 9:31pm: Er... look it up, bozo, and wonder no more. Proustian /ˈpruːstɪən/ adjective adjective: Proustian relating to or characteristic of the French writer Marcel Proust or his works, particularly with reference to the recovery of the lost past and the stimulation of unconscious memory. So, how do we distinguish this from ‘Freudian’? Too late for you, pal, you will never know. (Not that you are REALLY interested). I can't  provide a royal road to the unlettered because there isn't one. If you haven't  read Proust or Freud but ask for the difference between them then you are either an innocent 14 year old, or you are, well, you - an old man who can't find his way around ideas after a lifetime of not really reading what you are now pretending to be asking about. I gave up reading both Freud and Proust a long time ago. As far as I’m concerned neither of them could think their way out of a wet, brown paper bag.

I think it was more like they gave up on you, pal. It wouldn't have been hard for them, seeing that you are a cloth-eared nincompoop who talks in  clichés and mixed metaphors.


Proust has many brilliant passages on art and music. One of the best known ones is Bergotte's dying meditation on Vermeer's View of Delft and its little patch of yellow wall.
https://thebookbindersdaughter.com/2019/10/14/the-little-patch-of-yellow-wall-proust-on-memory-regret-and-death/

https://bookbindersdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/512px-vermeer-view-of-delft.jpg

I have a Kevin Best limited print “The favourite spot” in a large frame.
I’m trying to find it online, I find those types of paintings peaceful to look at. A feeling of isolation amongst the gum trees, a creek, and quiet.
All all I find online was this one that’s similar

https://images.app.goo.gl/o7K16dE9Srd6L8q4A

See the Streeton exhibition at the AGNSW. Stupendous.

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Frank wrote on Jan 30^th, 2021 at 5:55pm:

See the Streeton exhibition at the AGNSW. Stupendous.

I am too far away, unfortunately.

Also, the example offers the viewer the opportunity to use their own intuition. To me, this is great art.

Pete Beard on the Unsung Heroes of Illustration is a fabulous series of videos on Youtube. I have seen some of the these works, but this exhaustive series provides the opportunity to see many rare images. His video on Arthur Rackham is a fitting place to start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTD0csU14Qs

An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene...

https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 12:01pm:

An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/

;D :D ;D
Thanks for the laff.

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 12:59pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:01pm: An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/ ;D :D ;D Thanks for the laff.

Instead of trolling, explain what’s so funny.
BTW.... apart from one post from Nerfeti, I’m the only female coming into this art conversation...seems a male dominated subject otherwise?
But you laugh with ridicule at that link I put up about female artists?

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 12:01pm:

An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/

Yes, it has been.

Good to see womens art too

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 1:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:59pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:01pm: An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/ ;D :D ;D Thanks for the laff. Instead of trolling, explain what’s so funny. BTW.... apart from one post from Nerfeti, I’m the only female coming into this art conversation...seems a male dominated subject otherwise? But you laugh with ridicule at that link I put up about female artists?

As one of the gender that often does have that 'trolling like' attitude, I apologise.

Sorry.

It is not all of us, but it is far too many of us.

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 1:33pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:59pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:01pm: An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/ ;D :D ;D Thanks for the laff. Instead of trolling, explain what’s so funny. BTW.... apart from one post from Nerfeti, I’m the only female coming into this art conversation...seems a male dominated subject otherwise? But you laugh with ridicule at that link I put up about female artists?

Some  - Kaylene, Patricia  - are ludicrous. Jeff Koons without access to the New York market.

'Shaking up' here means outlandish.
The only two of merit, in my view, are the photographers but there is nothing particularly 'female' about their output (I expect they would not want to be seen as 'mere' woman artists..  The website itself is called 'design files', the first two on the list being designers.

I think its a publicity  puff piece. Substitute any other group for 'women' in the title, "7 Women Shaking Up The Australian Art Scene" and you will see.
It's diversity mongering, not about art but victim groups. If they had '7 Artists Shaking Up The Australian Art Scene' they would have gone to great pains to make it as 'diverse' as possible because in art, as elsewhere, 'diversity' is now the only merit. So the 'women' in the title us just the designated diversity group for the piece. You'd never have a piece about '7 men' unless you wanted howls out iutrage and shrieking - yet there are, naturally, 7 men you could select for such a puff piece.

Not to mention that these women are not actually shaking up anything.

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 12:01pm:

An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/

I know of no law preventing women from painting. Art is not "dominated" by men, even if they have been more productive statistically. Statements like yours provide excuses for people who don't make things. You might as well ask yourself why Rock and Roll lead guitarists are predominantly male?

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 5:55pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:01pm: An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/ I know of no law preventing women from painting. Art is not "dominated" by men, even if they have been more productive statistically. Statements like yours provide excuses for people who don't make things. You might as well ask yourself why Rock and Roll lead guitarists are predominantly male?

It’s just the nature of it from long ago isn’t it?
But changes are happening as more females since them says, are now allowed to drink in hotels, can take on apprentice jobs, can go into parliament etc etc
Like I said, life in the past had been male orientated ....
just the nature of the way things were.

Sophia wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 6:07pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 5:55pm: Sophia wrote on Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:01pm: An interesting article... since art has been a male dominated scene... https://thedesignfiles.net/2019/01/women-trailblazing-australian-art-scene/ I know of no law preventing women from painting. Art is not "dominated" by men, even if they have been more productive statistically. Statements like yours provide excuses for people who don't make things. You might as well ask yourself why Rock and Roll lead guitarists are predominantly male? It’s just the nature of it from long ago isn’t it? But changes are happening as more females since them says, are now allowed to drink in hotels, can take on apprentice jobs, can go into parliament etc etc Like I said, life in the past had been male orientated .... just the nature of the way things were.

yes.

https://d7hftxdivxxvm.cloudfront.net/?resize_to=width&src=https%3A%2F%2Fartsy-media-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com%2FlI9D3Qdx-VmuTl9WE-g36g%252FSelf-portrait_with_Bernardino_Campi_by_Sofonisba_Anguissola.jpg

Really like her.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Vig%C3%A9e_Le_Brun

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 6:22pm:

Really like her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Vig%C3%A9e_Le_Brun

Thanks Frank, I had just tried to post a painting of that kind

Really like her.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Vig%C3%A9e_Le_Brun

Rosaleen Norton, the witch of King's Cross, didn't give a "flying" phuque about male domination of the Art world.



https://i.postimg.cc/8kJH7B0x/Rosaleen-Norton-01.jpg

It’s the subject of art historical legend and an acclaimed Hollywood film. Its image sells more postcards than any other painting at the National Gallery in London, its home.

Now Vincent van Gogh’s Sunflowers — one of the world’s most famous and rarely-travelled paintings — is here in Australia for the first time. Created in 1888, Sunflowers is the glowing centrepiece of an exhibition that opens to the public at the National Gallery of Australia in Canberra on March 5.

Titled Botticelli to Van Gogh: Masterpieces from the National Gallery, London, the display is beyond rare — it’s the first time the Trafalgar Square gallery has ever sent a major selection of its artworks overseas. The show was seen in Japan before coming to Australia, its only other destination.

“We are effectively presenting a mini National Gallery,” said the London gallery’s director Gabriele Finaldi.

The list of 61 paintings in the exhibition includes Rembrandt’s Self Portrait at the Age of 34, Vermeer’s A Young Woman Seated at a Virginal, and works by Uccello, Tintoretto, Van Dyck and many othe

They are 61 works that really define art history,” NGA director Nick Mitzevich said.

Arguably the strongest star wattage will shine from Sunflowers, painted as part of a series when Van Gogh was decorating his home in Arles in the south of France in eager preparation for a visit by Paul Gauguin.

When the two artists fell out some weeks after Gauguin’s arrival, Van Gogh’s distress led him to sever part of his own ear. The episode features in Lust For Life, the 1956 film starring Kirk Douglas.

Teams from the National Gallery of Australia and the National Gallery, London were on video calls for hours yesterday as both parties collaborated on hanging the pictures. It was done with military precision.

Mitzevich said life-size copies of all the works, including frames, were stuck to the gallery walls as placeholders. As each masterwork was carefully removed from its travelling crate, its placeholder was torn away so the real thing could be installed.

“It’s very carefully orchestrated,” Mitzevich said.

“The crates are moved into the space to minimise the movement of the works. London is on Zoom, supervising every step.”

The NGA completely renovated galleries for the exhibition, replacing a roof, laying new floors and installing new lighting system

We wanted to be able to show these works to their best advantage,” Mitzevich said

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/van-goghs-sunflowers-on-show-at-national-gallery-of-australia/news-story/d4526af03dad8868f51dc48b0e2fdf93

issuevoter wrote on Feb 4^th, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Rosaleen Norton, the witch of King's Cross, didn't give a "flying" phuque about male domination of the Art world. https://i.postimg.cc/8kJH7B0x/Rosaleen-Norton-01.jpg

By the look of it. Had a issue with 'White Male' domination in the Art world.  ;)

issuevoter wrote on Feb 4^th, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Rosaleen Norton, the witch of King's Cross, didn't give a "flying" phuque about male domination of the Art world. https://i.postimg.cc/8kJH7B0x/Rosaleen-Norton-01.jpg

You have been listening to the ABC....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-05/rosaleen-norton-witch-of-kings-cross-groundbreaking-bohemian/13121738

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2021 at 6:37pm:

Really like her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_Vig%C3%A9e_Le_Brun

yes, very nice

La Vérité, par Jules Joseph Lefebvre


The naked truth, Paris, 1870.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 4^th, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Rosaleen Norton, the witch of King's Cross, didn't give a "flying" phuque about male domination of the Art world. https://i.postimg.cc/8kJH7B0x/Rosaleen-Norton-01.jpg

Ah, dear Rosie.  A long time ago when I knew her she was living in a basement apartment. A ‘gentleman’ made the mistake of pissing into her ground level window. Rosie with lightening speed caught the stream in a vase, went outside addressing the perpetrator “ I believe this is yours sir” and threw it over him.

As to Rosie (we never called her Rosaleen back then) not giving a flying bugger about male domination it’s true. There’s a long list of things Rosie didn’t give a bugger about including the frightening condition of her teeth.

Perfect pitch for colour

https://mobile.twitter.com/marcscheff/status/1523093395358781441

Thomas Aquinas the Tank Engine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FejzqdkUoAA9Cuv?.jpg