So who is the best Premier going around during this Crises where the States now have to be more 'independent' in their ways and take more responsibility?

I'm thinking Andrews is last on the list with Anna of QLD first in 'toughness'.

QLD
SA
WA
NT
Tas
NSW
Vic

thats not what the experts are saying....

they claim they are drunk with power...

and I tend to agree.... arrogant beyond words....

you do realise Qld is not self sufficient dont you>they rely very much on GST thats  produced by other States

and while the feds are propping up business with handouts why wouldnt she be enjoying herself..


they have turned into little Emperors..they are not working for ALL AUSTRALIANS>... >:( >:(

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there

you would be the only Vic that thinks hes great mate,,.


good luck with that..btw his MISTAKES HAVE BEEN HUGE. and will cost this country a motza.

Are we taking all time?

If so I vote for Bob Carr on looks alone

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Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there

Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:35am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

having seen the filthy conditions of the hotels  he put people in   for 14 days..  :-/ :-/ :-/ seriously,they were/are a health hazard on their own..and this is the gateway to the rest of the world......god help us.

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:28am:

Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.

You're the only person I know in Victoria
who is happy about Daniel Andrews.
The buck stops with him -
the quarantine was stuffed up when he could
have had ADF help which he refused.
We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures.

I ask in the name of God that he goes -
resigns - gets out.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:32am:

you would be the only Vic that thinks hes great mate,,. good luck with that..btw his MISTAKES HAVE BEEN HUGE. and will cost this country a motza.

Really?   Dan's approval rating and respect for the way he has handled this is through the roof in Victoria.  Your problem is that you believe Murdoch and everything he writes.  Even what is left of the Liberal Party here can't fault him or suggest anyway of doing things better - all they can do is carp on about in the weeds stuff and make fools of themselves.    There have been mistakes made everywhere by both sides of politics but never forget, the mistake that has and will cost this country a motza is the Federal and NSW Liberal Governments who let the Ruby Princess into Sydney with all those infected passengers on board.    Tell me why Morrison wont allow his Government Ministers or Public Servants to speak in public about it?

Andrews is doing just fine, we have the Federal Libs and Murdoch blowing in and out like blowflies looking for something to scavange, but most of what they find is low key and needs that special touch of journalism to make it worthwhile to buy their papers.     You know you are dealing with idiots when the Health Minister Greg Hunt, does not even know how to put a face mask on properly

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:35am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass.

No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best.   I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said.  Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers

I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances.

Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues,

anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results

NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands.

The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:44am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:35am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass. No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best.   I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said.  Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers

he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE.

he learnt nothing...as the Premier  he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle...

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:41am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out.

To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances. Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues, anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands. The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW

so if you dont hold Dan the man for the State of Vic   who do you hold responsible???

seriously red LUCK should not come into it.

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister

funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:44am: Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:35am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass. No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best.   I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said.  Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE. he learnt nothing...as the Premier  he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle...

Yes, and he acted, just like every other state.  Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing.  The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender.   That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking.    It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:51am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:49am: I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances. Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues, anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands. The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW so if you dont hold Dan the man for the State of Vic   who do you hold responsible??? seriously red LUCK should not come into it.

I will wait the RC outcome cods rather than follow stupid forum posters opinions.

Are you screaming for Gladys Big nose to resign over ruby Princess as well cods?

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot.

That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them.

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:49am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:44am: Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:35am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass. No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best.   I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said.  Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE. he learnt nothing...as the Premier  he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle... Yes, and he acted, just like every other state.  Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing.  The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender.   That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking.    It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment

all I know is   the minster in charge of the hiring is an ex union man   and he picked the company because they were members of his preferred union.....at least on paper.....as we know the call went out for anyone to apply for the job.. even students got put on with half an hours training....thats on record...

someone has since said the security business needs a complete overhaul   as its running wild right now....

how long did this fiasco gone on for before they realised what was going on????????...

seems to me the horse had bolted...

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot. That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them.

Yeah cods dont let the truth get in the way of your good story!

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:54am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot.

Hear hear Dame Cods,
Dan must resign.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

all I know is   the minster in charge of the hiring is an ex union man   and he picked the company because they were members of his preferred union.

Of course you can prove that not just another of your stories cods!

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot. That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them.

read some facts vic

A grim-sounding Daniel Andrews concedes the “unacceptable” breakdown in infection control that occurred in Victoria’s quarantine hotels. That’s why he’s established a judicial inquiry to investigate what went wrong, he insists. But his absolute focus now, he argues, must be dealing with the challenges those breaches have created.


A drive-through testing station in the Melbourne lockdown suburb of Fawkner. Justin Mcmanus

Yet rather than learning from its failure, the Andrews government seems curiously resistant to using one of the most obvious resources immediately available to help address it – the Australian Defence Force. It won’t just be Victorians wondering why. The government’s answers are hardly persuasive.

Despite the standing offer from the Morrison government to provide many hundreds more military personnel, for example, the Andrews government is instead advertising for extra parole and prison officers to help upgrade its botched management of quarantine hotels.

According to the state’s Police Minister Lisa Neville, using Corrections Victoria staff to oversee quarantine efforts is most appropriate because it’s their “bread and butter” work in terms of detaining people while also managing health and safety issues.

The corrections officers will receive more training for the hotel environment, she assured a 3AW Melbourne radio audience on Wednesday. Yet the rejected ADF personnel are trained, ready and available. Instead, the new ADF arrivals will be restricted to clinical testing duties and limited to 200 only of the additional 800 Commonwealth personnel agreed on this week to assist Victoria cope with the spike .

That’s even though Andrews' government was happy last week to announce its acceptance of the Morrison government’s offer of more than 1000 military, including many for quarantine duty after virus outbreaks due to hotel security failures became so obvious. Internal ructions and resistance from the Victorian police minister led to an embarrassing withdrawal of that announcement the same day, scaled back to a few hundred with no role in quarantine.





[url][https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/victoria-s-resistance-doesn-t-bear-comparison-20200701-p55846/url]


no thats not murdoch.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am: cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:49am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:44am: Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:35am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  I also think Gladys has done a good job with NSW - Her and Andrews appear to have put politics aside and are dealing with the interstate issues well, and with common sense.  Qld,not too sure about - but I think a little less politics and some common sense between QLD AND NSW would not go astray.   SA appear to be just about off the rails with common sense thrown out the window, with WA following a reasonable and logical path.       Tassie you would think would be well protected but have gone a bit overboard I think locking the state down until December.   In a state where tourism is the majority earner, I would have thought flexibility in decision making would have been a higher consideration - come January, they will really feel the loss of tourist dollars there.      NT seem to be coping as only the NT can - they still have crocodile stories on the front cover of the NT News.  Not sure about the ACT, dont really hear a lot from there Sounds like Dan could stomp kittens to death live on TV and you'd still give him a pass. No, I just acknowledge he is doing his best.   I notice Gladys has made the same mistakes that Andrews has made, yet nothing said.  Remember also, it wasn't Andrews that let the Ruby Princess dock with all those infected passengers he had about two months notice regarding the fiasco of the Ruby Princess.....shows how much he learnt from others mistakes....... you can call the cruise ship into account all you like.... but to me that makes IT WORSE..that was is a HUGE LEARNING CURVE. he learnt nothing...as the Premier  he is head of everything and so far everything has been a debacle... Yes, and he acted, just like every other state.  Then we got hit by the second wave which other states are now experiencing.  The biggest debacle to date has been the hotel quarantine fiascco, where he hired a company to provide those services which was on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTTENDER LIST and as such he could expend money without having to public tender.   That company, whgich the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT also used was found lacking.    It still doesn't explain why the root cause of the problem, the Ruby Princess, was allowed to dock and Morrison refuses to allow his Ministers or Public Servants to comment all I know is   the minster in charge of the hiring is an ex union man   and he picked the company because they were members of his preferred union.....at least on paper.....as we know the call went out for anyone to apply for the job.. even students got put on with half an hours training....thats on record... someone has since said the security business needs a complete overhaul   as its running wild right now.... how long did this fiasco gone on for before they realised what was going on????????... seems to me the horse had bolted...

And this of course is a major problem that has been around ever since the concept of "outsourcing" started in the late 80s, when Government jobs where tendered out.   We saw the rapid rise of Companies like SERCO, TRANSFIELD, P@O/DMS and a host of others who tendered for provision of government services against very badly written and expressed tender documents.     The rise of these companies was made against reduction of government employees who used to do those jobs and we have ended up in situations like today where the services delivered are sub standard and governments are too scared to take those companies to court - they just pay them more money!    I have seen this happen time and time again.      The problem is, these companies get on Government preferred tender lists and as such, when a government body needs a particular service, they dont need to go to full tender to get those services

It doesn't matter for what reason a Minister picks a company to provide services, if they are on the list he can use them, and that goes for all sides of politics

I think cods should front the Royal commission as she is obviously the expert on what happened.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:58am: cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot. That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them. read some facts vic A grim-sounding Daniel Andrews concedes the “unacceptable” breakdown in infection control that occurred in Victoria’s quarantine hotels. That’s why he’s established a judicial inquiry to investigate what went wrong, he insists. But his absolute focus now, he argues, must be dealing with the challenges those breaches have created. A drive-through testing station in the Melbourne lockdown suburb of Fawkner. Justin Mcmanus Yet rather than learning from its failure, the Andrews government seems curiously resistant to using one of the most obvious resources immediately available to help address it – the Australian Defence Force. It won’t just be Victorians wondering why. The government’s answers are hardly persuasive. Despite the standing offer from the Morrison government to provide many hundreds more military personnel, for example, the Andrews government is instead advertising for extra parole and prison officers to help upgrade its botched management of quarantine hotels. According to the state’s Police Minister Lisa Neville, using Corrections Victoria staff to oversee quarantine efforts is most appropriate because it’s their “bread and butter” work in terms of detaining people while also managing health and safety issues. The corrections officers will receive more training for the hotel environment, she assured a 3AW Melbourne radio audience on Wednesday. Yet the rejected ADF personnel are trained, ready and available. Instead, the new ADF arrivals will be restricted to clinical testing duties and limited to 200 only of the additional 800 Commonwealth personnel agreed on this week to assist Victoria cope with the spike . That’s even though Andrews' government was happy last week to announce its acceptance of the Morrison government’s offer of more than 1000 military, including many for quarantine duty after virus outbreaks due to hotel security failures became so obvious. Internal ructions and resistance from the Victorian police minister led to an embarrassing withdrawal of that announcement the same day, scaled back to a few hundred with no role in quarantine. [url][https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/victoria-s-resistance-doesn-t-bear-comparison-20200701-p55846/url] no thats not murdoch.

Mr Andrews' office was working on a statement late on Tuesday to clarify that the Premier's comments to the inquiry were based "on his understanding" and the decisions about ADF were made without reference to any member of the Victorian cabinet.

The Premier also clarified comments at his daily press conference that Emergency Services Commissioner Andrew Crisp ordered 1000 ADF troops via an "open request model" and that they were not ordered by anyone in his government. That request was later withdrawn, and a new request for around 300 ADF troops was later made.

"You would need to speak to the person who made that request because it was not made by anybody in a position of authority within the Victorian government," he told the inquiry. "When he appears before you, you can speak to him about it."

Quizzed at the press conference Mr Andrews said: "[Mr Crisp] is not a member of Parliament, he is not a member of the government. He is a statutory officer."



https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/andrews-under-pressure-over

From the same source.

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:10am:

I think cods should front the Royal commission as she is obviously the expert on what happened.

I think there is a lot of misinformation, coverup at all levels of government and just plain panic going on.   Most of the COVID deaths in Victoria are in Nursing Homes which are a FEDERAL responsibility and it has been extremely obvious that. Greg Hunt is way out of his depth to the point where Andrews has taken over the running of those homes because the Federal Government had no plan to deal with this - even though common sense would dictate that such establishments are constantly under threat of quick spreading medical events purely because of their occupants and the close proximity of residents couple with their age and in most cases frail condition.   

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:09am:

And this of course is a major problem that has been around ever since the concept of "outsourcing" started in the late 80s, when Government jobs where tendered out.   We saw the rapid rise of Companies like SERCO, TRANSFIELD, P@O/DMS and a host of others who tendered for provision of government services against very badly written and expressed tender documents.     The rise of these companies was made against reduction of government employees who used to do those jobs and we have ended up in situations like today where the services delivered are sub standard and governments are too scared to take those companies to court - they just pay them more money!    I have seen this happen time and time again.      The problem is, these companies get on Government preferred tender lists and as such, when a government body needs a particular service, they dont need to go to full tender to get those services It doesn't matter for what reason a Minister picks a company to provide services, if they are on the list he can use them, and that goes for all sides of politics

Exactly, Vic.

Here's an article I was just reading yesterday.


The spread of coronavirus in Australia is not the fault of individuals but a result of neoliberalism
-Richard Denniss

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/20/the-spread-of-coronavirus-is-not-the-fault-of-individuals-but-a-result-of-neoliberalism


Quote:

Neoliberalism is spreading coronavirus faster than any “reckless teenager” ever could. Privatised guards at quarantine hotels, private aged care centres that put profits ahead of staffing levels, and the fact that those in charge neglected to have their health professionals appropriately evaluate the risk of the Ruby Princess, are the major causes of Covid-19 transmissions and deaths in Australia. Put simply, if Australia relied on a well-paid, well-trained and well-resourced public sector to protect us then there might have been no shutdown in Victoria, no restrictions on interstate travel and no forecast of double-digit unemployment. For decades, advocates of the outsourcing and privatisation of public services have boasted of the cost savings of doing so. Today, we are counting the cost. We will be counting it for years to come.

I totally agree.

But, back to the topic of best Premier - well, as I'm living in Perth I'd have to say of course that our own Mark McGowan has done a great job handling the COVID-19 crisis so far.

Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic.

Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup.


Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms.

Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hotel-three-days-after-positive-test-20200820-p55nmg.html

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:37am:

Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic. Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup. Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms. Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street". https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hotel-three-days-after-positive-test-20200820-p55nmg.html

The HUGE numbers in Victoria are a direct result of infections in Nursing Homes - which are Morrison's  and the Coalition's balliwick.    Take them out of the equation and the Covid infection rate in Vic s falling.    I fully accept mistakes have been made - all states and territories have made them - but the restrictions put in place by Andrews are having a positive effect, we just need the Federal Government to do it's job in Vic AND NSW with respect to aged care facilities.

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:58am:

cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:54am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:50am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:41am: Vic wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:28am: Being Victorian, and under very tough restrictions at the moment, I am more than happy with the way Andrews has handled this.   Sure, mistakes have been made but he is not alone there and the fact that NZ had over 100 days virus free before getting hit again shows how dangerous this virus is.  You're the only person I know in Victoria who is happy about Daniel Andrews. The buck stops with him - the quarantine was stuffed up when he could have had ADF help which he refused. We are now in 2nd much worse lockdown due to his appalling failures. I ask in the name of God that he goes - resigns - gets out. To be replaced by whom?     I suggest you also look up the ADF help supposedly offered and refused, that has been found to be somewhat lacking in it's veracity.    When you understand the full process of the ADF being offered to work outside the terms of the Defence White Paper, you will know that a Minister can't just stand on the podium and "send in the troops".    It is a far more involved process than the actions of an ill informed and inexperienced Minister funny that didnt stop NSW from using the ADF at every opportunity....Morrison offered Andrews the ADF twice.....they were on standby   and both times he refused them..... he mate had already lined up security     the untrained lot. That is not correct.   Andrews actually ASKED for, and got, ADF support in Victoria, not the other way around.  You are too blinkered by Murdoch.    The Security used were also on an APPROVED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT tender list.   Even Morrison used them.

(#1) Checking the mine to see if it's safe for the canaries.

(#2) Not tho' the soldier knew - someone had blundered....

Best premier? The Tasmanian premier

He's using his common sense, and I'll bet Tasmanians treat their elderly in age care with far more respect than mainlanders treat theirs 

Vic wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 10:46am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 10:37am: Mistakes have been made all around but in they were made early in the pandemic. Nothing compares to the fuster cluck Dan Andrews presided over with the running of the hotels and the HUGE numbers in Vic are a reflection of the size of the stuffup. Victoria's Health Department allowed hotel quarantine guests infected with coronavirus to leave as soon as three days after a positive test if they were not displaying symptoms. Michael Tait, a nurse who worked for the program at the Crown Metropol hotel, said in his submission to Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry on Thursday that "it seemed like the department did not care if COVID-19 patients just left the hotel and walked into the street". https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/quarantine-guests-allowed-to-leave-hotel-three-days-after-positive-test-20200820-p55nmg.html The HUGE numbers in Victoria are a direct result of infections in Nursing Homes - which are Morrison's  and the Coalition's balliwick.    Take them out of the equation and the Covid infection rate in Vic s falling.    I fully accept mistakes have been made - all states and territories have made them - but the restrictions put in place by Andrews are having a positive effect, we just need the Federal Government to do it's job in Vic AND NSW with respect to aged care facilities.

The huge number of cases in Vic are because the quarantine hotels were a complete and utter joke.

The high death toll in aged homes is because that's what happens everywhere in the world that has large unknown case loads, and regardless of who funds age care, Vic Health could have moved infected patients to hospitals.

The ADF issue is actually a bit of a furphy because the real reason the hotels stuffed up is because they didn't use Vic Police.

I told this story before and I'll tell you again, just to you get the point.

For work I visited the private residence section of a Q hotel in Sydney RIGHT in the middle of he lockdown.

There was a Sgt and a constable at the front door on the street. They got my details and took me to the ground floor lift and radioed up to the security contractor who met me on the podium level where I changed lifts for the residential section. The security was totally buttoned down, and you can read about the horror stories in the Victorian hotels on the ABC, not just the Murdoch press as you claim.

You can't just say yeah mistakes have been made everywhere but the mistakes in Victoria have been monumental in proportion to everywhere else.

You also need to judge the performance for the premier by the scale of the problem the had to deal with.

Tasmania, WA, SA and NT have done well but look at the size of their cities and the very few amount of returned travelers.

NSW had the most returned travelers followed by Vic.

Going by that, NSW has by a long way done the best.

Hey Vic, here's some more evil Murdoch bias reporting about poor Dan Dan Covid Man.

Health officials lost track of returned travellers staying in Melbourne's hotel quarantine scheme and threats of suicide were dismissed, according to a nurse giving evidence at an inquiry into the botched program.

Meanwhile, a Melbourne lawyer who stayed at the Rydges Hotel has revealed images showing the filthy room he and his family were asked to stay in, which included discarded gloves on the floor, scraps of food and a blood-stained doona.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/victorian-covid19-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-hears-from-nurse/12577184

NSW. Largest city, largest population, most returned travelers.

NSW has recorded just one new coronavirus case today, from more than 32,000 tests. The case is a close contact of an existing case and had been in isolation.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victorian-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-continues-as-border-discussions-intensify-between-states-australian-death-toll-stands-at-463-20200820-p55nqr.html

Dan has been a very good premier generally.

Police, hospitals, nurses, schools, railway crossing removals .... etc.

By far the best premier Victoria has seen for decades.  8-)

Had a lot of bad luck regarding the second wave outbreak but has taken responsibility for it all and has just completed the 50th press conference on the COVID-19 situation (or is it 51 now?) where he clearly covers all the issues and takes every single question until there are no further questions each day.

That takes a lot of guts.

He might be crucified over the second wave, and that will be Victoria's loss.  :(

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:30pm:

Dan has been a very good premier generally. Police, hospitals, nurses, schools, railway crossing removals .... etc. By far the best premier Victoria has seen for decades.  8-) Had a lot of bad luck regarding the second wave outbreak but has taken responsibility for it all and has just completed the 50th press conference on the COVID-19 situation (or is it 51 now?) where he clearly covers all the issues and takes every single question until there are no further questions each day. That takes a lot of guts. He might be crucified over the second wave, and that will be Victoria's loss.  :(

Stuff him -
we've already been in a previous hurtful lockdown and the result
was that we ended up in a second far worse lockdown.
Dan will not be forgiven.

There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:48pm:

There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best

Yes, they can ....

Dan Andrews is a good premier.

:)

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:51pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm: There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best Yes, they can .... Dan Andrews is a good premier. :)

He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier

Speaking of State premiers and borders ...

What price to cross over?

https://i.imgur.com/FNAHgGm.jpg

;D

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:19pm:

Hey Vic, here's some more evil Murdoch bias reporting about poor Dan Dan Covid Man. Health officials lost track of returned travellers staying in Melbourne's hotel quarantine scheme and threats of suicide were dismissed, according to a nurse giving evidence at an inquiry into the botched program. Meanwhile, a Melbourne lawyer who stayed at the Rydges Hotel has revealed images showing the filthy room he and his family were asked to stay in, which included discarded gloves on the floor, scraps of food and a blood-stained doona. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/victorian-covid19-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-hears-from-nurse/12577184

I have always said that mistakes have been made Gordon.  I am sure if I scratched around I could find all sorts of horror stories regarding the handling of this whole thing in other states and territories to put on display .     I can only be objective about the state that I live in, and that I can actually see and hear what is happening - and all evidence to date is that Andrews is doing the best he can with what he has got.   As far as other states and territories, it is all subjective and third party information because i am not there on the spot.    The original posting for this topic asked - who was the best Premier and if you read me response, I nominated Andrews because I see the evidence virtually first hand, my second choice was Gladys - this is a subjective analysis because I don't live in NSW, BUT I have seen and heard enough to lead me to believe she is also doing a good job.   

When NSW first took in hundreds of people to Hotel accommodation there were also complaints of dirty rooms, terrible meals etc - the same has happened here.        As I also wrote, the main form of ongoing and virulent transmission of COVID in Victoria is in aged care homes - and that is a FEDERAL responsibility that they were and still are, ill prepared for to the extent that Andrews has had to take 3 of them over.  If you were to take the age care places out of the equation, our infection rate is reported to have fallen.

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:23pm:

NSW. Largest city, largest population, most returned travelers. NSW has recorded just one new coronavirus case today, from more than 32,000 tests. The case is a close contact of an existing case and had been in isolation. https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victorian-hotel-quarantine-inquiry-continues-as-border-discussions-intensify-between-states-australian-death-toll-stands-at-463-20200820-p55nqr.html

assessment Cases
This week 25
Last week 77
Change trending_down 52
group Known source
18
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trending_down 54
search Unknown source
7
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Tests
118,743
154,356
trending_down 35,613

You may have had only 1 today, but you had 25 for the week from a starting point a couple of weeks ago of zero!    So what has changed to allow that to happen?    

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm: There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best Yes, they can .... Dan Andrews is a good premier. :) He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier

Dan somehow has control over the media.
They never report Sudanese home invasions anymore.
I only find out about it from overseas websites
or a few Australian obscure websites.
If they do report anything -
they just say men or youths did a home invasion or car jacking.

As the Don says - it's fake news folks.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 3:45pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:58pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm: There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best Yes, they can .... Dan Andrews is a good premier. :) He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier Dan somehow has control over the media. They never report Sudanese home invasions anymore. I only find out about it from overseas websites or a few Australian obscure websites. If they do report anything - they just say men or youths did a home invasion or car jacking. As the Don says - it's fake news folks.

well he doesnt want to depress you bobby  .. shows how kind he is...

I am disappointed some do not expect more from their elected members..

if this is good enough for them... well all I can say is good luck Victorians.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 3:45pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:58pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:51pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 12:48pm: There's been a number of African darkie home invasions and robberies during this covid outbreak. No one can say Dan Andrews is a good premier, and he's certainly not the best Yes, they can .... Dan Andrews is a good premier. :) He doesn't do anything about the darkies - that's not good leadership, he's a rotten premier Dan somehow has control over the media. They never report Sudanese home invasions anymore. I only find out about it from overseas websites or a few Australian obscure websites. If they do report anything - they just say men or youths did a home invasion or car jacking. As the Don says - it's fake news folks.

You are kidding right?
The Murdoch media hates Dan Andrews
They haven't had a good word to say about him since he became premier in 2014.
Despite that he has won 2 elections

I've been waiting for the bondi turd to put up all the news articles about the NSW hotels where the guards were found found to have covid like he's done for every article he could find about Vic ........ I'm sure he'll get to it soon

or perhaps he's waiting for the NSW cop in the foyer to set the story straight first? :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 4:44pm:

I've been waiting for the bondi turd to put up all the news articles about the NSW hotels where the guards were found found to have covid like he's done for every article he could find about Vic ........ I'm sure he'll get to it soon or perhaps he's waiting for the NSW cop in the foyer to set the story straight first? :D

why dont you put them up..... ::) ::)

I would be interested in seeing them if they are as filthy as the Victorian ones.

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 4:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 4:44pm: I've been waiting for the bondi turd to put up all the news articles about the NSW hotels where the guards were found found to have covid like he's done for every article he could find about Vic ........ I'm sure he'll get to it soon or perhaps he's waiting for the NSW cop in the foyer to set the story straight first? :D why dont you put them up..... ::) ::) I would be interested in seeing them if they are as filthy as the Victorian ones.

Yeah the Dapto Dunce  probably got a point but can you remind me is NSW in stage 4 lockdown?    ;) : ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 4:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 4:44pm: I've been waiting for the bondi turd to put up all the news articles about the NSW hotels where the guards were found found to have covid like he's done for every article he could find about Vic ........ I'm sure he'll get to it soon or perhaps he's waiting for the NSW cop in the foyer to set the story straight first? :D why dont you put them up..... ::) ::) I would be interested in seeing them if they are as filthy as the Victorian ones.

no need, gordy will got to it shortly ... just wait

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 5:08pm:

cods wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 4:49pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 4:44pm: I've been waiting for the bondi turd to put up all the news articles about the NSW hotels where the guards were found found to have covid like he's done for every article he could find about Vic ........ I'm sure he'll get to it soon or perhaps he's waiting for the NSW cop in the foyer to set the story straight first? :D why dont you put them up..... ::) ::) I would be interested in seeing them if they are as filthy as the Victorian ones. Yeah the Dapto Dunce  probably got a point but can you remind me is NSW in stage 4 lockdown?    ;) : ;D ;D ;D

nice deflection there turdie Mcdunce

John's trying to tell us NSW has the same systematic failures as Vic. Yet....

NSW has recorded one new COVID-19 case on Friday among more than 32,500 people tested in the latest 24-hour reporting period.

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 5:15pm:

John's trying to tell us NSW has the same systematic failures as Vic. Yet.... NSW has recorded one new COVID-19 case on Friday among more than 32,500 people tested in the latest 24-hour reporting period.

hes always hoping     he looks like the grim reaper    crash and burn.....is what he hopes for this country.....as long as it doesnt affect him of course..

can you hear the whinging if he was locked up for 6 weeks.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gordon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 5:15pm:

John's trying to tell us NSW has the same systematic failures as Vic. Yet....

no, I'm trying to tell you that Turdie McDunce is an idiot

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 6:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 5:15pm: John's trying to tell us NSW has the same systematic failures as Vic. Yet.... no, I'm trying to tell you that Turdie McDunce is an idiot

Is that your poor attempt to imitate Peccary's Turd McTurdface nickname.
You're a poor copy aren't you Smith Chips, more air than chips in the packet.

Nice way for you to come back to the forum - opening salvos with personal insults to other members?

Arnhem Land, Cape York and Riverina are looking into the possibility of enforcing their own Lock Down level of measures - for various reasons like the possibility of a 3rd and worse Wave. It seems to get worse, each Wave. No natural immunity?

Do White Blood Cells and Proteins help 'lock-down' the Virus, to preserve a person's life?

Power to the People!

There all crap!!!

WTF does this have to do with Federal Politics???

:-? :-? :-?

NONE!  Philperth and I agree 100%.

So do I Philperth.
But is there a Major Board with STATE Politics?
No.
So where do I bloody put the bugger of a thing? >:( :D

Hell, where would I put the Topic of Provincials becoming more independent?

And it's They're not There :D

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 7:42am:

So who is the best Premier going around during this Crises where the States now have to be more 'independent' in their ways and take more responsibility? I'm thinking Andrews is last on the list with Anna of QLD first in 'toughness'. QLD SA WA NT Tas NSW Vic

If we go by their respective approval ratings the WA Premier has to be up there.

Admittedly these results are a couple months old but not much has change in the WA public perception of Mark McGowan

His approval rating sat at a staggering 89% of the WA population.

When it comes to direct handling of the COVID-19 pandemic the number is even more astounding, with 94 per cent believing Mr McGowan has handled the crisis well.

An ABC survey delivered a similar result, with 91 per cent of people approving Mr McGowan's handling of coronavirus - again the best result in the country.

It is not just the polling in Mr McGowan's favour either. Social media continues to lavish the Premier with compliments

At this rate if WA is able to secure the AFL grand final it’s possible McGowan will lead the first political party to win an election with 100% of the vote :D

The WA public consistently approves of McGowan’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic and overwhelming support the hard border.

I wonder how he'll go against QLD'r Clive Palmer - who's gonna steal the WA money and take it back to QLD? Anna will be chuffed.

Clover Moore should be Premier of NSW.
Like Kennett should of VIC.

That would be an Honour: First Premier Elected Back.

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 11:48pm:

I wonder how he'll go against QLD'r Clive Palmer - who's gonna steal the WA money and take it back to QLD? Anna will be chuffed. Clover Moore should be Premier of NSW. Like Kennett should of VIC. That would be an Honour: First Premier Elected Back.

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Liv Nynn Clover - as The Mayor

Gladys Hecklenjecklean - as the State President

Otto Wayzters-Bace - as the Head of the Construction Law Bureau

Howie Skimoff - as Boss of the Developers Union


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[quote author=JaSin link=1597959721/61#61 date=1598017695]I wonder how he'll go against QLD'r Clive Palmer - who's gonna steal the WA money and take it back to QLD? Anna will be chuffed.

Clover Moore should be Premier of NSW.
Like Kennett should of VIC.



I think I should have a go..doesnt seem to hard a job   all you need to do is to be able to duck and weave..

then give the crowd the BIG FINGER I can do all that..

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 10:37am:

Jasin wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 11:48pm: I wonder how he'll go against QLD'r Clive Palmer - who's gonna steal the WA money and take it back to QLD? Anna will be chuffed. Clover Moore should be Premier of NSW. Like Kennett should of VIC. That would be an Honour: First Premier Elected Back. DARK CITY Vampen Rennaissance starring Liv Nynn Clover - as The Mayor Gladys Hecklenjecklean - as the State President Otto Wayzters-Bace - as the Head of the Construction Law Bureau Howie Skimoff - as Boss of the Developers Union A No Balls/Heart of Darkness Production This week's episode:-  The Blood Red Precinct/Gutters of Blood/ Sydney Saturday Night

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philperth2010 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 8:20pm:

There all crap!!! WTF does this have to do with Federal Politics??? :-? :-? :-?

Only ScoMo saves us!

I don't know who is best or worst.

I do know that Mrs Alphabet from NSW would not be in the top 6.

They have all done about the same on Corona Virus the main difference is down to luck IMO. Really tough to blame Andrews.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 10:36pm:

I don't know who is best or worst. I do know that Mrs Alphabet from NSW would not be in the top 6. They have all done about the same on Corona Virus the main difference is down to luck IMO. Really tough to blame Andrews.

There is one difference, other states chose the armed forces to guard those in quarantine, Dan chose an Indigenous security firm that hired untrained, young, poor, ethnics that thought with their dicks.

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances. Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues,

There have been many breaches of hotel quarantine outside Victoria. They just don't make the news because most of the perpetrators happened to be uninfected.


Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands. The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW

If other states looked after their own diseased travellers instead of dumping them into Victoria and NSW for these largest states to deal with, the numerous breaches of hotel quarantine that have happened in other states would have been more consequential.

Victoria should close its borders to non-Victorians. The other states should deal with their own.

Shows who the better States are though.

Setanta wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 10:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22nd, 2020 at 10:36pm: I don't know who is best or worst. I do know that Mrs Alphabet from NSW would not be in the top 6. They have all done about the same on Corona Virus the main difference is down to luck IMO. Really tough to blame Andrews. There is one difference, other states chose the armed forces to guard those in quarantine, Dan chose an Indigenous security firm that hired untrained, young, poor, ethnics that thought with their dicks.

yeah right ... that's why NSW is now finding cases of covid in it's hotel security staff ...

ohh, and that security firm of 'untrained, young, poor  ethnics who think with their dicks' is on the federal govts. list of approved security firms for govt. work and they have previously been used by Dutton

Bam wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 11:04pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:49am: I am with Vic on this, I think Andrews is doing the best he can under the circumstances. Sure there was a stuff up in the original quarantine, but WA used private contractors to oversight quarantine in the beginning with no real issues, There have been many breaches of hotel quarantine outside Victoria. They just don't make the news because most of the perpetrators happened to be uninfected. Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 21st, 2020 at 9:49am: anyway a RC is looking into that so lets wait on the results NSW seems to be going alright atm but all hell could break loose and we could end up with another Victoria on our hands. The other premiers are just lucky they havent had so many Covids largely due to most of the overseas returnees landing in Vic/NSW If other states looked after their own diseased travellers instead of dumping them into Victoria and NSW for these largest states to deal with, the numerous breaches of hotel quarantine that have happened in other states would have been more consequential. Victoria should close its borders to non-Victorians. The other states should deal with their own.

All infected people should be sent to Victoria: a Concentration Camp for the Covids.

Setanta wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2020 at 10:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22nd, 2020 at 10:36pm: I don't know who is best or worst. I do know that Mrs Alphabet from NSW would not be in the top 6. They have all done about the same on Corona Virus the main difference is down to luck IMO. Really tough to blame Andrews. There is one difference, other states chose the armed forces to guard those in quarantine, Dan chose an Indigenous security firm that hired untrained, young, poor, ethnics that thought with their dicks.

Usual Suspects, eh?

Clover NoMore is a useless warped Greeny.

Jasin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2020 at 12:37am:

Shows who the better States are though.

Sometimes I think you are smart ?