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The Australian Bureau of Meteorology deleted what was long regarded as the hottest day ever recorded in Australia – Bourke’s 125°F (51.7°C) on the 3rd January 1909. This record* was deleted, falsely claiming that this was likely some sort of ‘observational error’, as no other official weather stations recorded high temperatures on that day.

However, Craig Kelly MP has visited the Australian National Archive at Chester Hill in western Sydney to view very old meteorological observation books. It has taken Mr Kelly MP some months to track down this historical evidence. Through access to the archived book for the weather station at Brewarrina, which is the nearest official weather station to Bourke, it can now be confirmed that a temperature of 50.6°C (123°F) was recorded at Brewarrina for Sunday 3rd January 1909. This totally contradicts claims from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology that only Bourke recorded an extraordinarily hot temperature on that day.

Just today, Friday 10th July 2020, Mr Kelly MP obtained access to this record for Brewarrina, the closest official weather station to the official weather station at Bourke.

He has photographed the relevant page from the observations book, and it shows 123°F was recorded at 9am on the morning of Monday 4th January 1909 – published here for the first time. This was the highest temperature in the previous 24 hours and corroborates what must now be recognised as the hottest day ever recorded in Australia of 51.7°C (125°F) degrees at Bourke on the afternoon of Sunday 3rd January 1909.

Not only has Mr Kelly MP tracked-down the meteorological observations book for Brewarrina, but over the last week he has also uncovered that 51.1°C (124°F) was recorded at White Cliffs for Wednesday 11th January 1939. This is the second hottest ever!

The evidence, a photograph from the relevant page of the White Cliff’s meteorological observations book, is published here for the first time.

If we are to be honest to our history, then the record hot day at Bourke of 51.7°C (125°F) must be re-instated, and further the very hot 50.6°C (123°F) recorded for Brewarrina on the same day must be entered into the official databases.

Also, the temperature of 51.1°C (124°F) recorded at White Cliffs on 12th January 1939 must be recognised as the second hottest ever.

For these temperatures to be denied by the Bureau because they occurred in the past, before catastrophic human-caused global warming is thought to have come into effect, is absurd.

This temperature (125°F/51.7°C on the 3rd January 1909) was recorded at an official Bureau weather station and using a mercury thermometer in a Stevenson screen. Hotter temperatures were recorded in 1896 but the mercury thermometers were not in Stevenson screens, which is considered the standard for housing recording equipment.

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2020/07/hottest-day-ever-in-australia-confirmed-bourke-51-7c-3rd-january-1909/

I agree Lee.

Seems the ABM is on the AGW gravy train.

lee wrote on Jul 11^th, 2020 at 2:34pm:

it can now be confirmed that a temperature of 50.6°C (123°F) was recorded at Brewarrina for Sunday 3rd January 1909. This totally contradicts claims from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology that only Bourke recorded an extraordinarily hot temperature on that day.

So why does it show 4th January 1909 for Brewarrina?
And did the Brewarrina station have a Stevenson screen in 1909?
Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

So why does it show 4th January 1909 for Brewarrina?

A typo. Build a bridge. BoM are the ones saying there was no hottest temperature there. Or don't you wish to comment on that?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

And did the Brewarrina station have a Stevenson screen in 1909?

You find out. But I would expect that seeing as they were installing Stevenson Screens it wouldn't have been a one-off. ;)

"A 1.7 degree cooling trend over a century is now a mild warming trend, and the site high of 51.7 degrees in 1909 was simply disregarded despite a similar temperature the same day at nearby Brewarrina, and despite both being recorded in standard equipment."

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/jennifer-marohasys-top-ten-hits-on-bom-homogenisation

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?

You have heard of minimum and maximum thermometers petal? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 1:19pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

So why does it show 4th January 1909 for Brewarrina?

A typo. Build a bridge. BoM are the ones saying there was no hottest temperature there. Or don't you wish to comment on that?

A typo? This was hand written.
So they couldn't even get the date right but you want to believe that the temperature reading can be relied upon.
You sure do have different standards of evidence for your own posts.

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 1:19pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

And did the Brewarrina station have a Stevenson screen in 1909?

You find out. But I would expect that seeing as they were installing Stevenson Screens it wouldn't have been a one-off. ;)

So you don't know. White flag accepted.

lee wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 1:19pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 11:18am:

Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?

You have heard of minimum and maximum thermometers petal? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You evaded a simple question. Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?
It's a simple question.

It's also interesting that you are quite happy to rely on a weather station 100km away when it suits you
Yet you don't rely on sea surface temperature measurements just a few metres above coral.
Yet you reject the BOM temperature maps due to not having weather stations every square metre
Once again, the standard of evidence is so much lower on your own posts than what you expect from others.

Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

A typo? This was hand written.

The original report was. The typed response was not. Poor petal. So confused. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

So they couldn't even get the date right but you want to believe that the temperature reading can be relied upon.
You sure do have different standards of evidence for your own posts.

Poor petal shows he has no inkling of what he is talking about. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

So you don't know. White flag accepted.

Poor petal. Can't read the other posts which show Brewarrina had a Stevenson Screen.
Unless you can't believe " despite both being recorded in standard equipment." IN - the Stevenson screen. ::)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

It's also interesting that you are quite happy to rely on a weather station 100km away when it suits you

Nope. You have got it wrong again. BoM believes that is ok, just like they do for Marble Bar. They believe a move of a few metres is bad but use other stations from hundreds of kilometres away. If you are going to lie - why bother responding? hat's how BoM does its "homogenisation". ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

Once again, the standard of evidence is so much lower on your own posts than what you expect from others.

It is the same standard, I am not responsible for your lack of understanding.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 5:25pm:

Why are there no other readings taken for Bourke on 3rd of January 1909?

Because with a minimum and a maximum thermometer it is only necessary to read once/day. Because the minimum temperature stays the same all day or until reset. The maximum temperature likewise. Exactly the same as Brewarrina.

Perhaps you shouldn't comment until such time as you have some idea about what you post. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just wow lee, do you actually believe the stuff that you post?
You can't even explain why there are no 9pm or 3pm readings for the 3/1 yet there are for every other day.
And what is with the recording for the 2nd? Originally read 112 they changed it to 125 then back to 112. It's a complete mess.

Your hypocrisy is legendary but this takes the cake.
Any modern temperature record you dismiss if there is a road within 2km of the recording station.
Yet you want us to believe that this reading from 1909 is accurate despite it being a complete dogs breakfast.

Like I always say. You have one standard of evidence for others and a MUCH lower standard of evidence for yourself
lee you have no credibility

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

You can't even explain why there are no 9pm or 3pm readings for the 3/1 yet there are for every other day.

Poor petal

For Brewarrina the picture shows 2 readings per day for most days except the Sunday. Wherever did you get the 9PM and 3PM from? The 125 was for Bourke. And that is because it was amended on a new line. ::)

"The Meteorological Observations Book for Bourke for January 1909 records 125°C for 3rd January. Photograph taken on 26th June in 2014 at the Chester Hill archive by Jennifer Marohasy."

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

And what is with the recording for the 2nd? Originally read 112 they changed it to 125 then back to 112. It's a complete mess.

Yes it is. That's what happens when things are done daily. Seeing it is a picure of the record - do you mean he knew it was going to be deleted after the year 2000? ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

Any modern temperature record you dismiss if there is a road within 2km of the recording station.

No petal within 30 metres as per WMO standards.

Edit: "Sensor located at more than 30m from significant heat sources or
reflective surfaces (buildings, roads, concrete surfaces, car parks, unnatural
exposed ground areas, etc.). This also includes expanses of water even if
only seasonal."
https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/IMOP/SitingClassif/Canada/Siting%20Classification%20System7%20-%20Sep%202012.pdf

Australia uses WMO standards.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

et you want us to believe that this reading from 1909 is accurate despite it being a complete dogs breakfast.

You would have to come up with a reason why not petal.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 13^th, 2020 at 7:18am:

Like I always say. You have one standard of evidence for others and a MUCH lower standard of evidence for yourself
lee you have no credibility

poor petal. Laying claims and can't even back them up. Such a numpty. If I have said these things. surely even someone of your limited capability would be able to find them. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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