You see how Australia missed out on the EV revolution and now we are just a footnote in the history of making clunkers and a museum sideshow :(


Quote:

Xpeng is finally shipping the P7, China’s Tesla Model 3 rival The Xpeng P7 is cheaper and has a longer range than Tesla’s most affordable electric vehicle Xpeng has been fending off accusations that it stole autonomous driving tech from Tesla Tesla is best known as the leading electric vehicle maker worldwide. But it’s also seen enormous success in China, selling more new energy vehicles than any other company in China last month. Now a local challenger has a new vehicle taking on the Tesla Model 3, and it bests the American company’s cars on both price and range. Chinese EV startup Xpeng announced on Sunday that it’s started nationwide deliveries of its newest P7 sports sedan, which starts at a price of 229,900 yuan (US$32,470) after subsidies. The Tesla Model 3 starts at 271,550 yuan (US$38,350) after subsidies. The P7 also boasts a longer driving range on a single charge. Xpeng says the P7 can reach 706 kilometers, compared with 668 kilometers for the Model 3. While Xpeng is just one of many local Tesla wannabes trying to corner the EV market, it has a more bitter rivalry with Tesla than other competitors. Tesla has previously accused the company of procuring trade secrets, which the company denies. Outside just vehicles, the Guangzhou-based automaker might be hoping its sales and services network will help give it a boost. The company says it has 190 stores across 57 cities in China. Nevertheless, dethroning Tesla could be an uphill battle. The Model 3 has proven popular in China, where Tesla started producing the car at its Shanghai Gigafactory at the end of last year. In May, the Palo Alto, California-based company beat out all its rivals in China by selling 11,095 vehicles, according to the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA). Another area in which Xpeng hopes to rival Tesla is self-driving cars. The P7 comes with Xpeng’s XPILOT 3.0 autonomous driving architecture. But autonomous driving was at the heart of Tesla’s complaints against Chinese EV maker. Last year, Tesla accused its former employee Cao Guangzhi of stealing trade secrets and bringing them to Xpeng. Apple made a similar accusation about its own former employee Zhang Xiaolang. While Cao was placed on leave during the investigation, Zhang wound up being fired after criminal charges were filed against him in the US. Cao admitted that he uploaded Tesla’s Autopilot-related source code to his own drive, but he denied that the files contained trade secrets or that he handed them over to Tesla’s Chinese rival. Xpeng said it had nothing to do with the incident. In the latest chapter of the companies’ ongoing legal battle, a federal judge in California ruled at the beginning of June that Xpeng needs to produce the source code for its autonomous driving tech and log files that Tesla requested. Legal challenges aside, Xpeng is racing ahead with plans for an initial public offering in the US, according to reports published earlier this month. The company declined to comment on the matter. Xpeng said it raised US$400 million in new financing last year, with IDG Capital, Xiaomi and South China Morning Post owner Alibaba among its biggest backers.

https://www.scmp.com/abacus/tech/article/3091000/xpeng-finally-shipping-p7-chinas-tesla-model-3-rival

And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete.

lee wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete.

Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:19pm:

lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:32pm: And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete. Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ?

The US does have cheaper electricity and minimum wage is around $7 per hour in some states.

I wouldn't buy a Tesla and I certainly wouldn't buy this Chinese shitbox.

The Great Wall of electric cars :D :D

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:21pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:32pm: And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete. Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ? The US does have cheaper electricity and minimum wage is around $7 per hour in some states. I wouldn't buy a Tesla and I certainly wouldn't buy this Chinese shitbox.

Who cares what you would buy.

There are only so many Holdens you can buy from the museum :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:19pm:

Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ?

The USA manages an average 15 MILLION car sales a year. That is economies of scale. All different brands etc but still part of that economies of scale.

Australia about 78,500 cars a year?

Just 1% of 15 million is 150,000. 1% of 78.5k is only 785.

Tesla doesn't build the entire car. It has niche businesses providing pieces same as in Australia.

Get it?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:21pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:32pm: And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete. Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ? The US does have cheaper electricity and minimum wage is around $7 per hour in some states. I wouldn't buy a Tesla and I certainly wouldn't buy this Chinese shitbox. Who cares what you would buy. There are only so many Holdens you can buy from the museum :D LOL

I have been offered just over $100K for my SS Torana which is 10X what I paid for it.

Teslas will be worthless junk when they run out of warranty nobody will be restoring a Tesla  40 years from now.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:39pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:21pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:19pm: lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:32pm: And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete. Nor did Tesla in the US when it started off building premium electric cars. What's your excuse now ? The US does have cheaper electricity and minimum wage is around $7 per hour in some states. I wouldn't buy a Tesla and I certainly wouldn't buy this Chinese shitbox. Who cares what you would buy. There are only so many Holdens you can buy from the museum :D LOL I have been offered just over $100K for my SS Torana which is 10X what I paid for it. Teslas will be worthless junk when they run out of warranty nobody will be restoring a Tesla  40 years from now.

They won't need to restore it because with an aluminium chassis it will still be as good as new in 40 years time unlike your rust bucket Torana which probably had no zinc coating and is full of bondi to fill up the rust holes :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 7:23pm:

They won't need to restore it because with an aluminium chassis it will still be as good as new in 40 years time unlike your rust bucket Torana which probably had no zinc coating and is full of bondi to fill up the rust holes

So the batteries will last forever?

The motors?;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 7:23pm: They won't need to restore it because with an aluminium chassis it will still be as good as new in 40 years time unlike your rust bucket Torana which probably had no zinc coating and is full of bondi to fill up the rust holes So the batteries will last forever? The motors?;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Certainly last longer than a clunker ;)

Chinese electric cars are actually a stealth way for China to smuggle military weapons to a country, then when the electronic signal is given, the cars will self drive to a central location and form themselves into......

---

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 8:33pm:

Certainly last longer than a clunker

Do you have the stats for that? ;)

lee wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

And Australia doesn't have the cheap workforce, the cheap electricity OR economies of scale to compete.

Or corporate spies like the Chinese do working in these companies to send IP back home.

lee wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 10:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 8:33pm: Certainly last longer than a clunker Do you have the stats for that? ;)

Yes the stats are shown in these videos ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_i4ihsJ1w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2CaWaKjS1Y

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:26am:

Yes the stats are shown in these videos

Sorry petal the batteries don't last forever. Next you'll be telling us it is a you beaut, perpetual motion time machine. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Estimates put it at 5-7 years for LiFePO4. These have been touted as Tesla replacements. NCA batteries use Cobalt, which is not nice. ;)

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 1:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:26am: Yes the stats are shown in these videos Sorry petal the batteries don't last forever. Next you'll be telling us it is a you beaut, perpetual motion time machine. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Estimates put it at 5-7 years for LiFePO4. These have been touted as Tesla replacements. NCA batteries use Cobalt, which is not nice. ;)

The old 5 to 7 year figure is wheeled out once again :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 1:13pm:

The old 5 to 7 year figure is wheeled out once again

So you can't debunk it? How sad. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"Super B lithium iron phosphate batteries live up to 5000 cycles at 80 percent depth of discharge, without decreasing in performance."

https://www.super-b.com/en/lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries/benefits-lithium-batteries

Sure doesn't sound like forever.

"LiFePO4 life expectancy is approximately 5-7 years."

https://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/lithium-battery-overview.html

From 2019 - Not so old then.

Unless of course "forever" has a new socially acceptable definition. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 1:38pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 1:13pm: The old 5 to 7 year figure is wheeled out once again So you can't debunk it? How sad. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Super B lithium iron phosphate batteries live up to 5000 cycles at 80 percent depth of discharge, without decreasing in performance." https://www.super-b.com/en/lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries/benefits-lithium-batteries Sure doesn't sound like forever. "LiFePO4 life expectancy is approximately 5-7 years." https://www.batterystuff.com/kb/articles/battery-articles/lithium-battery-overview.html From 2019 - Not so old then. Unless of course "forever" has a new socially acceptable definition. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I just provided you with videos which contain REAL WORLD DRIVING  stats but you just want to keep hanging off this 5-7 year failure myth which has nothing to do with real world driving as though it's some sort of built in time limit  !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 1:44pm:

I just provided you with videos which contain REAL WORLD DRIVING  stats but you just want to keep hanging off this 5-7 year failure myth which has nothing to do with real world driving as though it's some sort of built in time limit  !!

Those youtubes are paid advertorials petal.

You can always put up a rebuttal that is not sourced from St Elon. ;)

Perhaps you can even find a site not linked to him that says LiFePO4 batteries last "forever".