They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices. 

https://morningtick.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Lenovo-Yoga-C940-laptop-launched-with-10nm-Intel-Ice-Lake-processor.png

It's their "Yoga C940" that comes all sorts of point pricing crap like Dolby Vision, 4K, some "bitch ass" graphics card, 16G of memory, 2TB SSD and a outdated i7 processor.

Reviews look okay and for the money can't find anything better. But I'm guessing it will fall apart by this time next year if COVID doesn't kill me first.

Every one comes with a little bit of Chinese government spyware. Go with any other brand.

I think this model is made in North Carolina.

Don't buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo

Lenovo Group Limited, often shortened to Lenovo (/lɛˈnoʊvoʊ/ leh-NOH-voh), is a Chinese multinational technology company that is headquartered in Beijing.[4] The company designs, develops, manufactures, and sells personal computers, tablet computers, smartphones, workstations, servers, electronic storage devices, IT management software, and smart televisions. Lenovo is the world's largest personal computer vendor by unit sales, as of March 2019.

I have a Lenovo Chromebook.

Great little laptop.

It's when you put Windows in them that they become crap.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

Lenovo Group Limited, often shortened to Lenovo (/lɛˈnoʊvoʊ/ leh-NOH-voh), is a Chinese multinational technology company that is headquartered in Beijing.[4] The company designs, develops, manufactures, and sells personal computers, tablet computers, smartphones, workstations, servers, electronic storage devices, IT management software, and smart televisions. Lenovo is the world's largest personal computer vendor by unit sales, as of March 2019.

Work is actually paying for it. They want something they can resell at the end of the year and they are really frowning on HP and Apple products. I myself will never buy another Apple product ever. As far as spyware in the BIOS every manufacturer has that. I've worked with Lenovo's before and found them to be more reliable than any Apple crap I've ever owned. I have not used my iMac Pro in months because its such overpriced garbage.

But this one is Chinese. That's the issue. We should be boycotting all Chinese products, to send a message to the government over their handling of the coronavirus outbreak and their attempts to use trade sanctions to prevent a proper enquiry.

There are lots of different brands.

If it's for work, why can't you just ask the IT people for advice?

Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base.

What's your point Greg?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 9:32am:

If it's for work, why can't you just ask the IT people for advice?

You assume my workplace has IT support? More like "here's a budget of $1,300 buy something we can resell at the end of the year."

Doesn't sound very sensible. Secondhand laptops are worthless.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

What's your point Greg?

Every manufacture has spyware. Every manufacture has proprietary contacts with Chinese factories who produce Chinese parts for every computer out there.


Even the crap Apples assembles in Texuuss is originally produced in China.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 9:46am:

Doesn't sound very sensible. Secondhand laptops are worthless.

Apparently not to them.

Marla wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 9:40am: What's your point Greg? Every manufacture has spyware. Every manufacture has proprietary contacts with Chinese factories who produce Chinese parts for every computer out there. Even the crap Apples assembles in Texuuss is originally produced in China.

Lenovo is Chinese owned.

Get one of these

https://www.metabox.com.au/

Every now and then they have super sales that make them really cheap

Also aussie assembled

Spot

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

It's when you put Windows in them that they become crap.

True story

Spot

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 10:12am:

Lenovo is Chinese owned.

Chinese owned or Chinese made it's basically the same thing.

Lenovo started by buying the IBM Thinkpad when it was by far the most robust laptop on the market.

They were always butt ugly and tended to be slow-ish but unbreakable. (or close to it).

The chineese ones are not in the same class but likely as good as HP.

Been using HP's the last decade and they are getting more and more disappointing, I suspect still in front of Dell and the cheepies.

Like most things you can get a lot better but it won't be cheap.

Good Luck.

Marla wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 10:12am: Lenovo is Chinese owned. Chinese owned or Chinese made it's basically the same thing.

No it isn't. It affects where the profits go.

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:16am:

Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 10:37am: freediver wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 10:12am: Lenovo is Chinese owned. Chinese owned or Chinese made it's basically the same thing. No it isn't. It affects where the profits go.

Foreign companies and workers paying taxes off-shore has it's value. Let's not forget the exploitation that it causes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

I have a Lenovo Chromebook. Great little laptop. It's when you put Windows in them that they become crap.

I have owned multiple Chromebooks made by various manufacturers and they all had one thing in common: everyone of them ended up in the rubbish bin. When the last one started to die I bought a MacBook Air and haven't looked back. No more disposable devices for me.

AiA wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 8:59am: I have a Lenovo Chromebook. Great little laptop. It's when you put Windows in them that they become crap. I have owned multiple Chromebooks made by various manufacturers and they all had one thing in common: everyone of them ended up in the rubbish bin. When the last one started to die I bought a MacBook Air and haven't looked back. No more disposable devices for me.

I have had a macbook air for 10 years. still runs. Crashes a lot (since the beginning) but its basically useless. Thats why its lasted so long.

the metabox is great though.

Spot

Marla wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 4:05am:

They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.

I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place.

However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 8:43am:

Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now.

And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 8:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products?

That's probably one of the reasons he is doing it Greg. Do try to keep up.

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 9:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:45am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products? That's probably one of the reasons he is doing it Greg. Do try to keep up.

He hasn't answered yet.

Let's see what he has to say.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 9:37am:

Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base.

What's your point Greg?

Are you going to let Marla speak for you?

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 9:37am: Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base. What's your point Greg?

Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base.

Lenovo is Chinese. Used to be IBM branded.

I like Asus myself.

I reckon HP are crap.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 10:21am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 9:37am: Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base. What's your point Greg? Lenovo assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant. The Chinese company opened this facility in 2012 for faster shipping to its US consumer base.

I generally assume your posts are pointless. Just thought I'd give you the opportunity to say something.

Marla wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 4:05am:

They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  https://morningtick.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Lenovo-Yoga-C940-laptop-launched-with-10nm-Intel-Ice-Lake-processor.png It's their "Yoga C940" that comes all sorts of point pricing crap like Dolby Vision, 4K, some "bitch ass" graphics card, 16G of memory, 2TB SSD and a outdated i7 processor. Reviews look okay and for the money can't find anything better. But I'm guessing it will fall apart by this time next year if COVID doesn't kill me first.

Got a new job.................. :)

Laptops....how quaint.

Tablet for on the go and a nice powerful tower for home.

Gordon wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 12:17pm:

Laptops....how quaint. Tablet for on the go and a nice powerful tower for home.

Tower      ;D   Lol

Welcome to 1996

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 12:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:17pm: Laptops....how quaint. Tablet for on the go and a nice powerful tower for home. Tower      ;D   Lol Welcome to 1996

nah .. i use a tower at home. Just had a new one built for me. Far more reliable than any laptop. My old tower was 12 years old before it died.

My laptop is a 2 years old ACER and I'm ready to throw it away. Useless.

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:18pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:17pm: Laptops....how quaint. Tablet for on the go and a nice powerful tower for home. Tower      ;D   Lol Welcome to 1996 nah .. i use a tower at home. Just had a new one built for me. Far more reliable than any laptop. My old tower was 12 years old before it died. My laptop is a 2 years old ACER and I'm ready to throw it away. Useless.

Yeah i built my tower for 900 bucks about 4 years ago. Still going strong.

Spot

John Smith wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:18pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 12:17pm: Laptops....how quaint. Tablet for on the go and a nice powerful tower for home. Tower      ;D   Lol Welcome to 1996 nah .. i use a tower at home. Just had a new one built for me. Far more reliable than any laptop. My old tower was 12 years old before it died. My laptop is a 2 years old ACER and I'm ready to throw it away. Useless.

For home office use, nothing beats a good old tower. Fast, reliable, up-gradable and cheaply repairable = less e-waste.

I have two towers in my home office.

I used to do a lot of design and video editing (and still do some) so a desktop is unbeatable. It never goes online so it's still as clean and fast as the day it was built. When I upgrade the editing PC it gets demoted to general use

Also, I've used the same guy to build my computers for about 15 years and last time one had a fault, a blown power supply, he didn't even charge labour, just swapped it out and it cost less than $100 bucks and ready in an hour.

Everything I do with my tablet hits the cloud as soon as I get home and is there waiting for my on my PC.

Lol, luddites.

I do most of my music listening thru the PC with a high end sound card.

Good luck doing that on a notebook.

I'm shutting down a lot of my online activity and connects.
I'm keeping things tight with minimal interaction.

Why?

Gordon wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 5:07pm:

I do most of my music listening thru the PC with a high end sound card. Good luck doing that on a notebook.

Lol  ;D

You really have no idea.

The sound on my Chromebook leaves you for dead.

In your dreams.

https://www.techspot.com/products/sound-cards/asus-xonar-essence-stx-2-71-pcie.102610/

Connected to a Musicalfidelity amp and a pair of Thiel 1.7s

LOL Chromebook.

In addition to my MacBook, I own two Mac Minis and have never been disappointed. I don't have an iPhone however - they just aren't worth the money to me.

AiA wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 9:08pm:

In addition to my MacBook, I own two Mac Minis and have never been disappointed. I don't have an iPhone however - they just aren't worth the money to me.

They make a nice music server.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 8:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products?

My boycott is motivated by the Chinese boycott of Australian products.

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 9:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:45am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products? That's probably one of the reasons he is doing it Greg. Do try to keep up.

I need to read further on these forums before I respond. But, yes, the boycott of Australian products by the Chinese is the ONLY reason I will boycott Chinese products.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 10:11am:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 9:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:45am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products? That's probably one of the reasons he is doing it Greg. Do try to keep up. He hasn't answered yet. Let's see what he has to say.

I make the same mistake twice. Maybe there will be a third.

But, surely, you would draw your own conclusions that I would counter boycott something simply because of the unfair boycott my countrymen receive. I did not purchase a Lenovo laptop simply without being satisfied reviewing the product in store before purchase. Had this pandemic hysteria happened threeeee years earlier, followed by the Chinese ultranationalism and racism against Australia(ns), I would probably not have purchased the Lenovo.

Made up my mind and decided to go with this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61M2ZBdv1%2BL._AC_SY355_.jpg

Yep, a Micro$oft Surface Pro-7 capitalist piece of crap.


Reviews and specs looks good and I have the option of buying it back at the end of the year at a fraction of the price.


Glad that crisis is over with.

They're the fan favourite in socialist Cuba.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2020 at 6:25am:

freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 9:22am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:45am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:43am: Marla wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 4:05am: They any friggin' good? Thinking about getting this one. I'm done with Apple, Dell and HP horsepucky devices.  I got one years ago for $500 from some computer dealer that I would not purchase from again. So far, the computer laptop has been good for watching international regional versions of dvds. Otherwise, I wish I had not bought a laptop in the first place. However, Lenovo is part of the brands that originate from China. Perhaps try to boycott that product, for now. And you're okay with China boycotting Australian products? That's probably one of the reasons he is doing it Greg. Do try to keep up. I need to read further on these forums before I respond. But, yes, the boycott of Australian products by the Chinese is the ONLY reason I will boycott Chinese products.

I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:27am:

I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action.

Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. Boycotting Chinese products for one reason or the other. The Chinese might act like vampires. But their lack of exports will hurt them.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. Boycotting Chinese products for one reason or the other. The Chinese might act like vampires. But their lack of exports will hurt them.

They don't appear to be suffering too much.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing.

You're doing the same thing they're doing though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 10:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. Boycotting Chinese products for one reason or the other. The Chinese might act like vampires. But their lack of exports will hurt them. They don't appear to be suffering too much.

Probably because they can still make a lot of money off of slave labour and poor working conditions that the low-wage Chinese are forced to endure.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 11:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. You're doing the same thing they're doing though.

If it was not for the fact that the Chinese banned meat imports from Australian meat holdings that had mislabeled the beef exports, my town would be doing it tough. The fact is, the Chinese unleashed a virus on the world without clamping down on those who were suffering the virus in China. We could have avoided the lockdown if the Chinese acted responsibly. And we would not be suffering a downturn of Chinese imports from Australia if the Chinese authorities did not act like spoiled brats who can't take criticism.

The fact that I don't personally suffer from the Chinese boycott, it does not mean that I cannot act with altruism supporting those that have suffered. I can rethink my purchases a bit more in future about where the product has come from.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 1:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:02am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. You're doing the same thing they're doing though. If it was not for the fact that the Chinese banned meat imports from Australian meat holdings that had mislabeled the beef exports, my town would be doing it tough. The fact is, the Chinese unleashed a virus on the world without clamping down on those who were suffering the virus in China. We could have avoided the lockdown if the Chinese acted responsibly. And we would not be suffering a downturn of Chinese imports from Australia if the Chinese authorities did not act like spoiled brats who can't take criticism. The fact that I don't personally suffer from the Chinese boycott, it does not mean that I cannot act with altruism supporting those that have suffered. I can rethink my purchases a bit more in future about where the product has come from.

As long as they're not Chinese, you mean?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 11:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. You're doing the same thing they're doing though.

How is it the same?

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 5:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 11:02am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 10:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: I'm sure China is suffering badly as a result of your heroic (in)action. Yeah, me and every other person aware of what China is doing. You're doing the same thing they're doing though. How is it the same?

He's boycotting products from a particular country.

Thus, it's exactly the same.

The same as what Greg? There must be two things for them to be the same.

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 7:20pm:

The same as what Greg? There must be two things for them to be the same.

I worry about you sometimes.

I think you are wrong. I think you know you are wrong. I think that is what you are avoiding saying what you think is the same. You cannot identify what it is you think is the same because the act of describing it alone will highlight how it is different.

Lets see if I have this right.

Some Australians are boycotting Chinese products because they're a despotic totalitarian regime who are currently holding 1.5 million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in concentration camps, killing Falun Gong and selling their organs, started a pandemic then manipulated the WHO and lied about it allowing the entire world to become infected, and China is boycotting Australian products because we simply asked for an investigation into the source of the pandemic.

These to things are the same? OhhhKey....

Gordon wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:22pm:

because they're a despotic totalitarian regime who are currently holding 1.5 million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in concentration camps, killing Falun Gong and selling their organs, started a pandemic then manipulated the WHO and lied about it allowing the entire world to become infected,

i don't think any of that entered FD's mind when he suggested boycotting chinese products :D :D

it was tit for tat ... but good of you to pretend otherwise

Gordon wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:22pm:

Lets see if I have this right. Some Australians are boycotting Chinese products because they're a despotic totalitarian regime who are currently holding 1.5 million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in concentration camps, killing Falun Gong and selling their organs, started a pandemic then manipulated the WHO and lied about it allowing the entire world to become infected, and China is boycotting Australian products because we simply asked for an investigation into the source of the pandemic. These to things are the same? OhhhKey....

You said it more than I could. I was just making a point about not liking China's boycott and defamation of Australia.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

I have a Lenovo Chromebook. Great little laptop. It's when you put Windows in them that they become crap.

Are Chromebooks the notebook of choice for people who have an obsession with child rape?

if you are lucky enough to use a high power big memory Windows 10 or Ubuntu LINUX PC with multiple disks with a screen two A4 pages wide you would not ever want to bother with a laptop or Iphone.