The big BLM protests were on June 6. It typically takes about 5 days or more for an infected person to show symptoms. This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 to yesterday:

4
5
5
2
9
9
5
12
18

Could be - where are the epicentres?

A li'l ol' coronavirus on the front porch never hurt nobody..

BLM protesters spread Covid to Aboriginal communities and wipes them out.

Irony much?

Yes but probably about 15% to the extent of the governors opening states prematurely.

We will know in a a few weeks how badly but the numbers we are seeing today are due to te states opening too soon and too quickly.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

Yes but probably about 15% to the extent of the governors opening states prematurely. We will know in a a few weeks how badly but the numbers we are seeing today are due to te states opening too soon and too quickly.

You mean Premiers? What states are have opened their borders? None of the states that closed them have opened them yet have they? So which Premiers would you like to blame rather than the mass gatherings?


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Victoria, the Australian Capital Territory and New South Wales never closed their borders when the coronavirus took hold from mid-March, beyond the standard non-essential travel bans. However, other states and territories took swift action. The Northern Territory, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania all implemented border closures in March and April. But finally, some states are beginning to consider interstate visitors. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/06/13/borders/

These 2 were posted an hour apart.

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New York the largest outbreak of any city in the world no problems with BLM protest.

If it's no problem in NY why is it a problem anywhere else?

hi Baron.

this is because the mainstream media is "ideologically possessed"

its a religion.

they dont question the logic anymore then the pope questions the logic of a virgin birth or ISIS question the logic of eating pork.

and pointing it out to the media will have zero effect.

you are dealing with people who are possessed.

as Carl Jung said

"people dont have ideas, ideas have people"

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:

The big BLM protests were on June 6. It typically takes about 5 days or more for an infected person to show symptoms. This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 to yesterday: 4 5 5 2 9 9 5 12 18

that is very depressing.

All the good work 98 % of Australia did now is in peril.

Sprint

Turn that frown upside down

This was always going to happen my friend
we are talking about a virus 4 times as contagious as influenza
We are talking about a virus which has no vaccine
And probably even when we get a vaccine it will be fairly ineffective

Now considering we have had an influenza outbreak every year for the last 150 years

What are the odds that we can eliminate covid and never have it come back

It's 4 x as contagious
Literally half the people who have it have no symptoms so there is no way are preventing them spreading it
And we will probably have a very very ordinary vaccine

Accepting those facts
Which I think you must
means you have to accept the very real possibility but literally half the population are going to get it

Now there is a small case to be made for waiting for a vaccine
So that these numbers are lessened somewhat

But they are only going to be lessened somewhat
literally tens of millions of Australians are going to catch this
They are probably going to be catching it every winter for decades

and anyone who thinks that Australia can remain in shut down for decades
Whilst America England Europe and Asia just get on with economic growth

We will be back to the days of Sydney cove
You will have citizens at rosehill trying to grow vegetables
To feed the starving masses

You are a sprint cyclist
So I imagine you have a fantastic lung capacity
You should power through covid
In a fortnight
And then it's back to normal awesomeness for you

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 9:17pm:

New York the largest outbreak of any city in the world no problems with BLM protest. If it's no problem in NY why is it a problem anywhere else?

I have a problem with it ...... the whole premise is based on a lie.

As it is in Australia.

Are you saying the measures taken in reaction to COV19 shouldn't have happened?

All these idiot protesters have certainly wound the clock back & made it look like a waste of the majorities time & efforts.......

especially for our frontline workers... Doctors, Nurses, hospital staff, Ambos, Police, etc.

See if the borders are opened if the daily number of cases starts to lift even higher.

Of course these protests will spread & increase the cases of COV19. They already have.

Australia’s Grand and Glorious Prime Minister, Scotty from Marketing, has been on the radio slamming anyone who attended the Black Lives Matter protests.
He’s saying no one there cared about social distancing (and by extension their fellow Australians). He’s saying everyone there was just there for themselves, with no concern for the 432 Indigenous deaths in custody that have occurred since 1991.

In light of Scott Morrison’s comments, I thought I might just highlight a few instances where the Prime Minister was less than careful about social distancing measures, and less than careful about the lives of Australians he pretends to be so “concerned” for. Here they are;

1. On the weekend Coronavirus first erupted in Australia, Scott Morrison let a 5000 person Christian fundamentalist conference go ahead. He did this against the direct advice of health officials, and the decision was most likely driven by his extremist religious beliefs. Scott Morrison didn’t care about social distancing then.

2. On the same exact weekend around two months back, Scott Morrison also let rugby league matches go ahead. Hundreds of thousands attended. Scott Morrison let these massive events go ahead against the direct advice of health officials, with this decision coming from no apparent or obvious place. Scott Morrison didn’t care about social distancing then either.

3. Scott Morrison pressured premiers across Australia to return schools early, around one month ago. This was against the direct advice of health officials and teachers unions. Since the return of schooling across Australia, there has been no directive to socially distance in schools (not that you can enforce such a directive anyway). Kids have been tackling each other, in frequent close contact, and spreading germs. Scott Morrison wasn’t that concerned about social distancing at that stage either.

4. On the exact same day of the protests, the North Shore Markets were hosted in Sydney. These markets saw thousands of people moving around in close proximity, with no face masks and no social distancing. Our caring Prime Minister couldn’t care less about that.

5. Bars and clubs were open across Sydney on the weekend of the protests. Social distancing directives were barely obeyed in many bars and clubs, but Scott Morrison made no mention of this. He still didn’t care.

6. The Sydney CBD Westfield was open on the day of the protests. Thousands of people were there, and none of them were social distancing. Scott Morrison has avoided criticism of anyone shopping at the Sydney Westfield on that day: Scott likes shoppers, as a marketing man is inclined to, so he didn’t care about that either.

7. The only large group of people not wearing facemasks at the protests were the police. For some reason or another, Scott Morrison has refused to criticise them. Scott Morrison dosen’t care if police don’t take correct sanitary measures.

Now, not to be cynical, but is it possible Scott Morrison’s “moral outrage” (which he expressed on the radio today) is somewhat fake? Is it possible the Prime Minister is pretending to be “morally concerned” when he realistically dosen’t care less? Call it what you want and call people who protested what you want, but I can’t really take Scott Morrison’s “moral concern” that seriously. And I don’t think any other young Australians should either.

It will be a cold day in Hell before I take a moral lecture from the man who holidayed in Hawaii when his country burned.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:16am:

Australia’s Grand and Glorious Prime Minister, Scotty from Marketing, has been on the radio slamming anyone who attended the Black Lives Matter protests. He’s saying no one there cared about social distancing (and by extension their fellow Australians). He’s saying everyone there was just there for themselves, with no concern for the 432 Indigenous deaths in custody that have occurred since 1991. In light of Scott Morrison’s comments, I thought I might just highlight a few instances where the Prime Minister was less than careful about social distancing measures, and less than careful about the lives of Australians he pretends to be so “concerned” for. Here they are; 1. On the weekend Coronavirus first erupted in Australia, Scott Morrison let a 5000 person Christian fundamentalist conference go ahead. He did this against the direct advice of health officials, and the decision was most likely driven by his extremist religious beliefs. Scott Morrison didn’t care about social distancing then. 2. On the same exact weekend around two months back, Scott Morrison also let rugby league matches go ahead. Hundreds of thousands attended. Scott Morrison let these massive events go ahead against the direct advice of health officials, with this decision coming from no apparent or obvious place. Scott Morrison didn’t care about social distancing then either. 3. Scott Morrison pressured premiers across Australia to return schools early, around one month ago. This was against the direct advice of health officials and teachers unions. Since the return of schooling across Australia, there has been no directive to socially distance in schools (not that you can enforce such a directive anyway). Kids have been tackling each other, in frequent close contact, and spreading germs. Scott Morrison wasn’t that concerned about social distancing at that stage either. 4. On the exact same day of the protests, the North Shore Markets were hosted in Sydney. These markets saw thousands of people moving around in close proximity, with no face masks and no social distancing. Our caring Prime Minister couldn’t care less about that. 5. Bars and clubs were open across Sydney on the weekend of the protests. Social distancing directives were barely obeyed in many bars and clubs, but Scott Morrison made no mention of this. He still didn’t care. 6. The Sydney CBD Westfield was open on the day of the protests. Thousands of people were there, and none of them were social distancing. Scott Morrison has avoided criticism of anyone shopping at the Sydney Westfield on that day: Scott likes shoppers, as a marketing man is inclined to, so he didn’t care about that either. 7. The only large group of people not wearing facemasks at the protests were the police. For some reason or another, Scott Morrison has refused to criticise them. Scott Morrison dosen’t care if police don’t take correct sanitary measures. Now, not to be cynical, but is it possible Scott Morrison’s “moral outrage” (which he expressed on the radio today) is somewhat fake? Is it possible the Prime Minister is pretending to be “morally concerned” when he realistically dosen’t care less? Call it what you want and call people who protested what you want, but I can’t really take Scott Morrison’s “moral concern” that seriously. And I don’t think any other young Australians should either. It will be a cold day in Hell before I take a moral lecture from the man who holidayed in Hawaii when his country burned.

 
Well who gives a farque whether you do or not ....

the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard.

All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended.

The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics.

And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters.

Seems the same cap fits you.

Apparently the first protestor to test positive just had a second test and he's neg.

Gnads wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 1:39pm:

Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you.

BLM protestors turned a Black armed robber into an angel of light:

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/346/003/small/bb985ab720a3471f.jpg


And then they proceeded to spread a deadly virus
without any thought for those who could die from it.

Is this the End Times?

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:

The big BLM protests were on June 6. It typically takes about 5 days or more for an infected person to show symptoms. This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 to yesterday: 4 5 5 2 9 9 5 12 18

There is no evidence for it.
Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests

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Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests

How many?

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

Quote:

Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you.

Police acting like a law unto themselves that ends with lives lost is not a lie, its why people are protesting.

Notwithstanding the fact police are murdering all races including unarmed women who called the police.

Clearly the police system particularly in the US is broken.

Trump will be holding big rallies and has pushed for Churches to open with crowds,  memorial day free to open with crowds yet its only the BLM that gets the heavy criticism from the RW ...what does that tell you...democracy and freedom is one sided in their opinion and minds.. ::)

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:14pm:

Quote: Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. Police acting like a law unto themselves that ends with lives lost is not a lie, its why people are protesting. Notwithstanding the fact police are murdering all races including unarmed women who called the police. Clearly the police system particularly in the US is broken. Trump will be holding big rallies and has pushed for Churches to open with crowds,  memorial day free to open with crowds yet its only the BLM that gets the heavy criticism from the RW ...what does that tell you...democracy and freedom is one sided in their opinion and minds.. ::)

Really? Why is it called BLM then and not ALM?
Why are people being fired from their jobs for saying ALM?
Why are people attacked for saying ALM?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 1:39pm:   Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. BLM protestors turned a Black armed robber into an angel of light: https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/346/003/small/bb985ab720a3471f.jpg And then they proceeded to spread a deadly virus without any thought for those who could die from it. Is this the End Times?

Yeah Bobby, he was an absolute thug and criminal, lied his way to gain entry into a home of a pregnant woman, and held a gun to her pregnant stomach. The times he had been in and out of jail hey?
How does anyone think how that woman would feel knowing what terror she went through to see this k u n t be immortalised as angelic??
Utter BS
Oh, and  I found this ...

https://i.imgur.com/BWHLShq.jpg

60,000 rampaging boongs 10 days ago had no effect on the China virus so its time to start pumping that jet fuel.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:11pm: The big BLM protests were on June 6. It typically takes about 5 days or more for an infected person to show symptoms. This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 to yesterday: 4 5 5 2 9 9 5 12 18 There is no evidence for it. Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests

Yes looking at the US experience it takes longer for the numbers to come through than you have suggested while I could make some guesses as to why I do not know. My expectation is that we may see some cases from this in 2 or 3 weeks. It tends to substantially entrench itself before cases start to show. Likely because so many of the cases can be mild.

I think the case increase we see here most likely is from the opening up process with people going to work, school and use of public transport etc which kicked off a couple of weeks earlier.

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

In Australia we haven't really seen this one yet ?

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 10:59pm:

60,000 rampaging boongs 10 days ago had no effect on the China virus so its time to start pumping that jet fuel.

Give it time.... I thought the Boong communities overseas were under-reported on deaths etc....

OUR Boongs now - we can guarantee the figures are there and they don't die in custody any more on average than anyone else.... since they die more in the community on average, it must be the good prison food.

Well the BLM rioters have ended the lockdown. That's the only thing I thank them for.

As for facemasks, when it comes to stopping a virus they are useless as a chainlink fence in stopping a swarm of mosquitos.

By the way, it's getting dark here and there's thunder and lightning outside. And there's a tree outside, too. It reminds me of that scene in Poltergeist.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:14pm:

Quote: Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. Police acting like a law unto themselves that ends with lives lost is not a lie, its why people are protesting. Notwithstanding the fact police are murdering all races including unarmed women who called the police. Clearly the police system particularly in the US is broken. Trump will be holding big rallies and has pushed for Churches to open with crowds,  memorial day free to open with crowds yet its only the BLM that gets the heavy criticism from the RW ...what does that tell you...democracy and freedom is one sided in their opinion and minds.. ::)

Yes it is a lie.

Clearly it is the communities that are more broken? Decades of poor political policies chasing votes & then not delivering. The destruction of the family unit, fatherless children, 94% of all homicide is black on black.....

the stats prove BLM is a lie. The name is racist itself.

The BLM protests & the rioting, looting, assaults & murders of black police officers & business owners were all before the regulations were lifted.

BLM, ANITFA & the leftist/liberals/democrats supporting this nonsense are as far from representing freedom & democracy as you can get ...neo-Faciscists - cultural marxists....

all hell bent on tearing down western culture & democracy via violence & anarchy.

Statistics prove it's all bullshyte but nongs like you & all of them need to have hearing tests ... because you won't hear, won't have a bar of the truth because it does not fit the agenda & mind set.
   

Bobby. wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 1:39pm:   Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. BLM protestors turned a Black armed robber into an angel of light: https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/346/003/small/bb985ab720a3471f.jpg And then they proceeded to spread a deadly virus without any thought for those who could die from it. Is this the End Times?

Taking a religious slant ... as that ridiculous mural has ...... then the wings should be as black as he is...... because when he went to be judged at the gates he would have been cast down below.

Setanta wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Quote: Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. Police acting like a law unto themselves that ends with lives lost is not a lie, its why people are protesting. Notwithstanding the fact police are murdering all races including unarmed women who called the police. Clearly the police system particularly in the US is broken. Trump will be holding big rallies and has pushed for Churches to open with crowds,  memorial day free to open with crowds yet its only the BLM that gets the heavy criticism from the RW ...what does that tell you...democracy and freedom is one sided in their opinion and minds.. ::) Really? Why is it called BLM then and not ALM? Why are people being fired from their jobs for saying ALM? Why are people attacked for saying ALM?

Exactly....it doesn't fit their warped narrative.

these sick/thick leftist arseholes go by one theory ... their way or the highway.

Gordon wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

BLM protesters spread Covid to Aboriginal communities and wipes them out. Irony much?

I could probably safely say that the national 102 coronavirus deaths could end up as 202 deaths in the next month, if safety measures have not taken place in aboriginal communities.

We have received notification that a person from Woorabinda (an alcohol free community in CQ) has been purchasing hundreds of dollars worth of alcohol to onsell to the community at marked up prices. The guy was caught by police through a tip-off. But, the fact remains that the man had not been isolated in Woorabinda, where the community were not allowed outsiders to come into town.

If a Black Lives Only Matter protester came back from Melbourne and went to live in Woorabinda (or any other aboriginal community), then it is quite possible to see a cluster of very sick people dying off by the dozens over the weeks. I can imagine tents being erected with medical staff having to deal with demanding patients and racists thinking that it is another genocide being perpetrated against their mob.

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

Memes have been appearing with calls for the reopening of concerts and festivals. However, they are to be renamed "protests" with live music, food and drinks.

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests How many?

Apparently 15 out of the 21 new cases.

The rest were linked to known clusters and through routine testing.
Give it time, it's still brewing to get going, only been less than 2 weeks since their big street party.

Remember, it can take up to 3-4 weeks whilst still being able to infect others in that meantime.

Tic.....tic......tic.....

Gnads wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 7:14am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 9:08pm: Pedro Curevo wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Quote: Well who gives a farque whether you do or not .... the BLM protests should have been stomped on & stomped on hard. All those who made sacrifices & worked on the frontlines have been treated with contempt by the morons who attended. The BLM movement is based on a leftist lie & runs on a premise that is hugely contrary to the statistics. And all the businesses & sporting associations supporting it & taking the knee for a criminal thug like George Floyd are just virtue signalling morons like the BLM protesters. Seems the same cap fits you. Police acting like a law unto themselves that ends with lives lost is not a lie, its why people are protesting. Notwithstanding the fact police are murdering all races including unarmed women who called the police. Clearly the police system particularly in the US is broken. Trump will be holding big rallies and has pushed for Churches to open with crowds,  memorial day free to open with crowds yet its only the BLM that gets the heavy criticism from the RW ...what does that tell you...democracy and freedom is one sided in their opinion and minds.. ::) Really? Why is it called BLM then and not ALM? Why are people being fired from their jobs for saying ALM? Why are people attacked for saying ALM? Exactly....it doesn't fit their warped narrative. these sick/thick leftist arseholes go by one theory ... their way or the highway.

you have to understand that identity politics is a religion .

you cant use logic.

it will make NO IMPACT.

arguing that the radical left should accept "all lives matter"
is like arguing that hindus should eat cows, muslims and jews should eat pork and catholics should eat fish in lent.

you will just do your head in.

accept that they are a religion, not a political movement and move on.

they use the same terminology as fundam,entalist religion.

woke =  born again
white priveledge = original sin
heretics must be burnt at the stake
mobs must hunt for blasphemers on the internet.

thats what "all lives matter "is

its BLASPHEMY

Sophia wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 3:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Quote: Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests How many? Apparently 15 out of the 21 new cases. The rest were linked to known clusters and through routine testing. Give it time, it's still brewing to get going, only been less than 2 weeks since their big street party. Remember, it can take up to 3-4 weeks whilst still being able to infect others in that meantime. Tic.....tic......tic.....

What 21 cases? The figure I got from google show up to 18 new cases in one day.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 5:28pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 3:40pm: freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 7:29pm: Quote: Most of the cases involve returned overseas travelers or clusters that had nothing to do with the protests How many? Apparently 15 out of the 21 new cases. The rest were linked to known clusters and through routine testing. Give it time, it's still brewing to get going, only been less than 2 weeks since their big street party. Remember, it can take up to 3-4 weeks whilst still being able to infect others in that meantime. Tic.....tic......tic..... What 21 cases? The figure I got from google show up to 18 new cases in one day.

Here is a screen shot I took of latest news I had today.
And in news tonight, showing how our health minister is very nervous about the ones that were community transmissions.
Like I said, waiting for a time bomb?

https://i.imgur.com/3Cw2tQ1.png

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic.

It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors.

I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

'.........  the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors  ............ '

Yes, enclosed environments that trap virus and humans together.

eg, cruise ships, subway trains, buses, planes.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:20pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm: Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter '.........  the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors  ............ ' Yes, enclosed environments that trap virus and humans together. eg, cruise ships, subway trains, buses, planes.

You are not implying that the BLM folks should not have travelled locked up together to attend these mass gatherings without social distancing are you Sprint? That's not very PC.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:20pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm: Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter '.........  the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors  ............ ' Yes, enclosed environments that trap virus and humans together. eg, cruise ships, subway trains, buses, planes.

The Sydney protest continued on inside Central station video showed indoors when police used pepper spray.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 6:00pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter

Would you? Have you not heard of all those that come down with the flu or Norovirus from attending Agricultural Shows?

The Brissy Ekka, Sydney Royal Show, Adelaide...etc nearly every state capital & most regional towns & cities have an Agricultural Show....

most are in the winter months & are havens for flu transmission & the dreaded vomiting & diarrhea(Norovirus).

Lucky they were all canned too. 

The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks.

3 more BLM have the pox. One was infectious at work.

This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 (day of the BLM protests) to yesterday:

4
5
5
2
9
9
5
12
18
15
12
23

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:

This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 (day of the BLM protests) to yesterday: 4 5 5 2 9 9 5 12 18 15 12 23

In NSW we have had 4 cases with unknown source in the last week.

20 cases in the last week from overseas travellers in quarantine, 2 in the last 24 hours.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx

I think the mandatory quarantine for overseas travellers will have to remain for quite some time.

Gordon wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 9:04pm:

3 more BLM have the pox. One was infectious at work.

I read somewhere that a dozen had it from one march .. oh, well... :-?

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks.

Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended.

In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building.

The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion.

None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders.

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 7:31am:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:57pm: The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks. Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended. In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building. The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion. None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders.

No doubt a few STDs also.

freediver wrote on Jun 19^th, 2020 at 6:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 19th, 2020 at 7:31am: freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2020 at 6:57pm: The bar is usually enclosed at the ag shows. Even if it is just canvas. Also the chooks. Arrrrrrhm ... no not here and certainly not in many of the country Ag shows I've attended. In the state capital they have .....we have a reasonably big show complex here ..... the bar is a large circular building that can be approached from about 280 degrees ... it has a designated open air drinking area with a couple of small open marquees surrounding the building. The only thing enclosed is the Pavilion & as you said the Chook & bird pavilion. None the less Ag shows are great flu & green apple splatters spreaders. No doubt a few STDs also.

I haven't worried about that sort of outdoor activity for about 47 years.

Setanta wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm: Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face.

That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors.

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters.
I guess the stats speak for themselves

Quote:

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters. I guess the stats speak for themselves

Where do you get this from?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:56am:

Quote: It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters. I guess the stats speak for themselves Where do you get this from?

Daily updates

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-update

How do you know that only Victoria had an increase in cases?

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 12:54pm:

How do you know that only Victoria had an increase in cases?

This will help explain it. Overseas travellers are still returning even late in the game because of limited or unavailable flights, and they all come into Melbourne and Sydney only,  even though many of these passengers live interstate.
These returned travellers are put into accommodation for 14 days isolation requirement. Then if clear, go back to their home state and need to do another 14 days isolation there.
Those that are infected stay in Melbourne/Sydney for further treatment/isolation etc.
Hence why high number of cases in Victoria and NSW only.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/why-is-victoria-experiencing-an-increase-in-cases/12366884

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:05pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm: Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face. That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors. It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters. I guess the stats speak for themselves

And what are "known clusters" & their ability to spread the virus further?

And were any of the protesters within cooey of anyone from "known clusters"?
When you give 2 options of where the cases belong ... then the outcome isn't cut & dry as to reducing restrictions.

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 6:02pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20th, 2020 at 11:31am: Setanta wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 8:05pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 17th, 2020 at 6:00pm: Johnnie wrote on Jun 16th, 2020 at 8:12pm: It seems as though tens of thousands of people can get together in the streets with some masks and nothing happens, it would be better to go masks than lock down in the next pandemic. It would be interesting to know how likely it is to catch a virus while moving around outdoors. I would say that the vast majority of virus transmission happens indoors. That's why the peak flu season is winter Why are you making excuses for this Barny? You've been on the right side of infection mitigation right up until the protests. Is being PC more important than infection control? I might have to go and look at some of Bojack's posts to see if he's done the same about face. That's right, I have been on the right side of mitigation, but even before the BLM protests I was critical of beaches being closed and National Parks being closed. Viruses are not spread by people moving around outdoors. It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria. All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters. I guess the stats speak for themselves And what are "known clusters" & their ability to spread the virus further? And were any of the protesters within cooey of anyone from "known clusters"? When you give 2 options of where the cases belong ... then the outcome isn't cut & dry as to reducing restrictions.

Restrictions reimposed in VIC, today saw the biggest outbreak worldwide, protests seem ok though.

yes but noone gives a flying----

Agnes wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 2:25am:

yes but noone gives a flying----

That's right ... as long as they're doing what they want.... farque everyone else.

27 new cases yesterday. 25 of them in VIC. Wikipedia gives a breakdown of new cases by state:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Australia

You need to click on "show" beside "Cumulative confirmed cases by state, territory & nationally", which is just above the daily number of new cases for the whole country.

This gives the same info for other countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data

Total new cases since June 6 by state:
NSW: 34
VIC: 136
QLD: 5
WA: 5
SA: 0
TAS: 0
ACT: 1
NT: 0

There is a clear increase in the rate of infections since June 6 in NSW and VIC - the only states with enough virus getting round to give a clear indication of increase or decrease. There is plot similar to the google one of new cases by day for each state.

The total number of active cases across the country is trending up since June 14.

The page also lists active clusters. The last new case from a known cluster in the table is June 17.

There is also a table with a breakdown by source of infection, however it is not separated by date. About 2/3 of total cases are from overseas, which is a good sign.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victorias-sudden-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-could-result-in-localised-lockdowns-c-1113679


Quote:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has flagged the possibility of a return to square one of coronavirus restrictions - but only for areas worst hit by COVID-19. The state on Saturday recorded 25 new cases in only 24 hours, the highest daily rise in more than two months. Of those, all but one are believed to be acquired within the community. He says if the restrictions aren’t followed to a tee, draconian lockdown measures for local government areas with the highest rates of community transmission could be reintroduced. As of now, those areas are Hume with 17 cases of community transmission, Brimbank with 10 and Casey with seven. Of Victoria’s new cases, 14 are linked to known clusters, six were identified through routine testing, four are under investigation and one was in a recently returned traveller in hotel quarantine.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

It's now been 2 weeks since the protests and the only state to have had an increase in cases is Victoria.

Incorrect.


The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 20^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

All of them have been linked to returned overseas travelers and known clusters. I guess the stats speak for themselves

Also incorrect. The overseas thing does not seem to be significant for the recent cases. No idea where you got the 'known clusters' claim from.

Gotta feel sorry for the Aboriginals.
The Negroes who have ventured far and wide around the world, are gonna sell the Abos out as the 'Black Sacrifice' that they all empower themselves from.

Jasin wrote on Jun 21^st, 2020 at 9:52am:

Gotta feel sorry for the Aboriginals. The Negroes who have ventured far and wide around the world, are gonna sell the Abos out as the 'Black Sacrifice' that they all empower themselves from.

::) There's been ample sorry.

Gnads wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 9:52am: Gotta feel sorry for the Aboriginals. The Negroes who have ventured far and wide around the world, are gonna sell the Abos out as the 'Black Sacrifice' that they all empower themselves from. ::) There's been ample sorry.

In retrospect, Rudd showing the belly was not a good thing in the long run... just inspired them to demand more and more.  Should've learned that from the 'feminists'.. give 'em an inch and they take an entire state... and every other -ist learned from them how it's done.

Appeasement hasn't worked yet and never will... sometimes the field of freedom must be fertilised with blood... sad but true - while we of the West spent hundreds of years becoming more 'civilised', lesser cultures view this as weakness (and showing the belly) and thus take advantage at every opportunity.

Time to cut the ties to mother's apron and make them make their own way as equals... sink or swim on your own merits and devices... if you prefer to substance it up and wind up in prison repeatedly - your choice - choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about.

  Even now the North American Yankees are on the hunt for evil racist Confederate Rednecks against Blacks.
Soon they will hold Australia accountable for the Slavery and Genocide of Blacks (not Aboriginal, but 'blacks') as the American Civil War takes on an INTERNATIONAL stage.  ;)

Sing with the Angels: "Looks like it's coming down on me. Down on me."                

Politics will always 'culturalise' the Yellows and 'racialise' the Blacks.


Only ART will save your Australian skins from the depressions of the Black Dog on your society  :P

I'm not sorry for nuffink

I didn't do it and my ancestors were not here to do it.

But I have paid through the nose so these terminally and genetically lazy deadbeats can live off me.

So I expect a THANKS for my years of supporting them

But I know I'll never get it

Because they are all too drunk, drugged or high on petrol fumes to know what's going on.

Quote:

did the protestors spread the virus?

Looks like the answer is NO


Quote:

Tweeting this week, Liberal senator Sarah Henderson said:  "Daniel Andrews blames law abiding Victorian families for doing the wrong thing rather than 10,000 illegal protesters?" Some of Senator Henderson's Liberal Party colleagues, including Matthew Guy, Georgie Crozier and Tim Smith, as well as Evan Mulholland of the Institute of Public Affairs, tweeted similar criticisms, while headlines have also declared that the "upsurge in COVID cases [is] linked to Melbourne Black Lives Matter protests". But these assertions contradict the guidance of officials of the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services, who continue to report that the current burst of cases does not stem from the rally. They have said that while one protester "may have been infectious at the rally", two others who have since tested positive for COVID-19 were not infectious at the rally, nor is there evidence they contracted the virus at the rally. Rather, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, has linked the increase in cases to family gatherings, citing family spread as the "main cause" of 120 cases in the week to June 22. People have not followed our advice around physical distancing, hygiene and limiting the number of people you invite into your home," he said in a statement. Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nick Coatsworth, also dismissed claims the spike could be linked to the protests, telling reporters that "there is no evidence that there has been chains of community transmission that we are aware of through the Black Lives Matter protests". According to official Australian Government advice, "most people who are infected will develop symptoms within 14 days of infection". It has been 20 days since the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronacheck-victoria-black-lives-matter-protests-family-spike/12391628


FD will be so disappointed :D

Gnads wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 9:52am: Gotta feel sorry for the Aboriginals. The Negroes who have ventured far and wide around the world, are gonna sell the Abos out as the 'Black Sacrifice' that they all empower themselves from. ::) There's been ample sorry.

*swish*

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:27am:

In retrospect, Rudd showing the belly was not a good thing in the long run... just inspired them to demand more and more.  Should've learned that from the 'feminists'.. give 'em an inch and they take an entire state... and every other -ist learned from them how it's done. Appeasement hasn't worked yet and never will... sometimes the field of freedom must be fertilised with blood... sad but true - while we of the West spent hundreds of years becoming more 'civilised', lesser cultures view this as weakness (and showing the belly) and thus take advantage at every opportunity. Time to cut the ties to mother's apron and make them make their own way as equals... sink or swim on your own merits and devices... if you prefer to substance it up and wind up in prison repeatedly - your choice - choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about.

I can see where some aborigines are going with their claims involving Black Lives Matter. They are concerned that they are going to be an endangered racial group on this continent. It is their last hurrah to make a name for themselves in marking history as defenders of their own race.

And as much as I would like to see indigenous people make their own way in the world and endure the hard life that the rest of Australians have to do, we might have crossed the point where reconciliation can take place in Australia -- at least for a while. It seems that the majority of Australians are making allowances and giving privileges towards indigenous people for the sake of not wanting to look like outsiders/colonisers.

The indigenous people know that they have Australians (of non-aboriginal ethnicity) by the testicles since the 1970s. Aborigines can play that "poor bugger me" attitude and try and get as much international support as they can among recently decolonised nearby regional countries. I can only imagine that the Chinese might be in talks to fund some kind of unrest among the indigenous extremists in Australia.

It would take a real global shift back in favour of the Western nations (and the United States) before we can see our western ideals be reinstated as the best cultural background to emulate. Aboriginal cultures and customs can be continued by the adherents. Aboriginal cultures and customs can be recorded to print, audio, and video media. But, the aboriginal culture really has no values that can be helpful to the modern Australian society. Indigenous people should join the rest of Australian for a common cause rather than get in the way.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2020 at 8:27am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:20am: Jasin wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 9:52am: Gotta feel sorry for the Aboriginals. The Negroes who have ventured far and wide around the world, are gonna sell the Abos out as the 'Black Sacrifice' that they all empower themselves from. ::) There's been ample sorry. In retrospect, Rudd showing the belly was not a good thing in the long run... just inspired them to demand more and more.  Should've learned that from the 'feminists'.. give 'em an inch and they take an entire state... and every other -ist learned from them how it's done. Appeasement hasn't worked yet and never will... sometimes the field of freedom must be fertilised with blood... sad but true - while we of the West spent hundreds of years becoming more 'civilised', lesser cultures view this as weakness (and showing the belly) and thus take advantage at every opportunity. Time to cut the ties to mother's apron and make them make their own way as equals... sink or swim on your own merits and devices... if you prefer to substance it up and wind up in prison repeatedly - your choice - choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about.

Have you seen the ad for the BLM special coming on with Oprah Winfrey & all the other black virtue signalling celebrity millionaires(wonder how that came about with all the oppression ::) ) .... anways .... there's a byte of a black Minister saying - " that what ever comes of this, "we"(blacks) should remember not to ask for too little".

What's that supposed to mean ... more reparations? 

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 10:44am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 23rd, 2020 at 8:27am: In retrospect, Rudd showing the belly was not a good thing in the long run... just inspired them to demand more and more.  Should've learned that from the 'feminists'.. give 'em an inch and they take an entire state... and every other -ist learned from them how it's done. Appeasement hasn't worked yet and never will... sometimes the field of freedom must be fertilised with blood... sad but true - while we of the West spent hundreds of years becoming more 'civilised', lesser cultures view this as weakness (and showing the belly) and thus take advantage at every opportunity. Time to cut the ties to mother's apron and make them make their own way as equals... sink or swim on your own merits and devices... if you prefer to substance it up and wind up in prison repeatedly - your choice - choice-mobile, son - that's what it's all about. I can see where some aborigines are going with their claims involving Black Lives Matter. They are concerned that they are going to be an endangered racial group on this continent. It is their last hurrah to make a name for themselves in marking history as defenders of their own race. And as much as I would like to see indigenous people make their own way in the world and endure the hard life that the rest of Australians have to do, we might have crossed the point where reconciliation can take place in Australia -- at least for a while. It seems that the majority of Australians are making allowances and giving privileges towards indigenous people for the sake of not wanting to look like outsiders/colonisers. The indigenous people know that they have Australians (of non-aboriginal ethnicity) by the testicles since the 1970s. Aborigines can play that "poor bugger me" attitude and try and get as much international support as they can among recently decolonised nearby regional countries. I can only imagine that the Chinese might be in talks to fund some kind of unrest among the indigenous extremists in Australia. It would take a real global shift back in favour of the Western nations (and the United States) before we can see our western ideals be reinstated as the best cultural background to emulate. Aboriginal cultures and customs can be continued by the adherents. Aboriginal cultures and customs can be recorded to print, audio, and video media. But, the aboriginal culture really has no values that can be helpful to the modern Australian society. Indigenous people should join the rest of Australian for a common cause rather than get in the way.

Well they had better stop marrying/partnering & having children outside their race don't you think?

You do realise that there has been a huge increase in the population of Aboriginals, TIs & those who identify as such in the past 20 years?

Endangered my eye ....

1999 pop. was 418,800

2020 pop. 798,365

Nearly doubled in 20 years.  ::)

Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

Well they had better stop marrying/partnering & having children outside their race don't you think? You do realise that there has been a huge increase in the population of Aboriginals, TIs & those who identify as such in the past 20 years? Endangered my eye .... 1999 pop. was 418,800 2020 pop. 798,365 Nearly doubled in 20 years.  ::)

Probably because people can claim to be aboriginal if they have aboriginal ancestry that goes back 5 or 6 generations. They might look like a bronze Eurasian. But if their great-grandmother was aboriginal, they can consider themselves aborigine.

It is no surprise then that having an average 3 children per aboriginal family (biracial or not), their numbers will grow. Some people who did not claim to be aboriginal in 1999 are probably considering themselves aboriginal now, through advanced DNA tracing. That just adds to the numbers.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 2:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 11:02am: Well they had better stop marrying/partnering & having children outside their race don't you think? You do realise that there has been a huge increase in the population of Aboriginals, TIs & those who identify as such in the past 20 years? Endangered my eye .... 1999 pop. was 418,800 2020 pop. 798,365 Nearly doubled in 20 years.  ::) Probably because people can claim to be aboriginal if they have aboriginal ancestry that goes back 5 or 6 generations. They might look like a bronze Eurasian. But if their great-grandmother was aboriginal, they can consider themselves aborigine. It is no surprise then that having an average 3 children per aboriginal family (biracial or not), their numbers will grow. Some people who did not claim to be aboriginal in 1999 are probably considering themselves aboriginal now, through advanced DNA tracing. That just adds to the numbers.

Not double in 20 years ... that aint 3 per family.

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 9:51am:

Quote: did the protestors spread the virus? Looks like the answer is NO [quote]Tweeting this week, Liberal senator Sarah Henderson said:  "Daniel Andrews blames law abiding Victorian families for doing the wrong thing rather than 10,000 illegal protesters?" Some of Senator Henderson's Liberal Party colleagues, including Matthew Guy, Georgie Crozier and Tim Smith, as well as Evan Mulholland of the Institute of Public Affairs, tweeted similar criticisms, while headlines have also declared that the "upsurge in COVID cases [is] linked to Melbourne Black Lives Matter protests". But these assertions contradict the guidance of officials of the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services, who continue to report that the current burst of cases does not stem from the rally. They have said that while one protester "may have been infectious at the rally", two others who have since tested positive for COVID-19 were not infectious at the rally, nor is there evidence they contracted the virus at the rally. Rather, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, has linked the increase in cases to family gatherings, citing family spread as the "main cause" of 120 cases in the week to June 22. People have not followed our advice around physical distancing, hygiene and limiting the number of people you invite into your home," he said in a statement. Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nick Coatsworth, also dismissed claims the spike could be linked to the protests, telling reporters that "there is no evidence that there has been chains of community transmission that we are aware of through the Black Lives Matter protests". According to official Australian Government advice, "most people who are infected will develop symptoms within 14 days of infection". It has been 20 days since the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronacheck-victoria-black-lives-matter-protests-family-spike/12391628


FD will be so disappointed :D[/quote]

Disappointed that they are still preventing people from going fishing and other benign outdoor activities, despite the rally. All those beach bans were obviously a waste of time.

37 new cases yesterday. We haven't had that many since April 19.

Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk.
Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again.
Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions.

"They have said that while one protester "may have been infectious at the rally", two others who have since tested positive for COVID-19 were not infectious at the rally, "

So - errrrr - when WERE they infectious?  Dare one ask?

This - Poppets - is called Spin......  :-?

Jasin wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 8:27pm:

Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk. Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again. Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions.

As if they haven't had enough sh1t thrown at them in recent months...   ::)  ::)  ::)

I'd like to know - as per my right wing ex for whom I am carer - why it is that there are people STILL being tested after a holiday OFFSHORE and being found to be the source of extended contagions?????

"just returned from a cruise"... "just returned from blah-blah"..

What are these people?  Secret Boat People?

DUH - 14 people who returned to Victoria from holidays tested positive and spread the beast... DUH????

Whoa, Dudes and Dudesses - did they pick it up on a trip to New South Wales .. or was it South Australia?    :-?

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 8:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 9:51am: Quote: did the protestors spread the virus? Looks like the answer is NO [quote]Tweeting this week, Liberal senator Sarah Henderson said:  "Daniel Andrews blames law abiding Victorian families for doing the wrong thing rather than 10,000 illegal protesters?" Some of Senator Henderson's Liberal Party colleagues, including Matthew Guy, Georgie Crozier and Tim Smith, as well as Evan Mulholland of the Institute of Public Affairs, tweeted similar criticisms, while headlines have also declared that the "upsurge in COVID cases [is] linked to Melbourne Black Lives Matter protests". But these assertions contradict the guidance of officials of the Victorian Department of Health and Human Services, who continue to report that the current burst of cases does not stem from the rally. They have said that while one protester "may have been infectious at the rally", two others who have since tested positive for COVID-19 were not infectious at the rally, nor is there evidence they contracted the virus at the rally. Rather, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, has linked the increase in cases to family gatherings, citing family spread as the "main cause" of 120 cases in the week to June 22. People have not followed our advice around physical distancing, hygiene and limiting the number of people you invite into your home," he said in a statement. Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nick Coatsworth, also dismissed claims the spike could be linked to the protests, telling reporters that "there is no evidence that there has been chains of community transmission that we are aware of through the Black Lives Matter protests". According to official Australian Government advice, "most people who are infected will develop symptoms within 14 days of infection". It has been 20 days since the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronacheck-victoria-black-lives-matter-protests-family-spike/12391628 FD will be so disappointed :D

Disappointed that they are still preventing people from going fishing and other benign outdoor activities, despite the rally. All those beach bans were obviously a waste of time.

37 new cases yesterday. We haven't had that many since April 19.[/quote]

Where are they doing that? Certainly not in QLD.

A few days after the protest, they closed a big pier to fishing in Victoria.


Quote:

Australia's Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Nick Coatsworth, also dismissed claims the spike could be linked to the protests, telling reporters that "there is no evidence that there has been chains of community transmission that we are aware of through the Black Lives Matter protests".

No evidence of things they do not know?

Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 6:29pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 2:07pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 11:02am: Well they had better stop marrying/partnering & having children outside their race don't you think? You do realise that there has been a huge increase in the population of Aboriginals, TIs & those who identify as such in the past 20 years? Endangered my eye .... 1999 pop. was 418,800 2020 pop. 798,365 Nearly doubled in 20 years.  ::) Probably because people can claim to be aboriginal if they have aboriginal ancestry that goes back 5 or 6 generations. They might look like a bronze Eurasian. But if their great-grandmother was aboriginal, they can consider themselves aborigine. It is no surprise then that having an average 3 children per aboriginal family (biracial or not), their numbers will grow. Some people who did not claim to be aboriginal in 1999 are probably considering themselves aboriginal now, through advanced DNA tracing. That just adds to the numbers. Not double in 20 years ... that aint 3 per family.

You can double a population inside 20 years. Lowered death rates and a decent birth rate would double the population of a racial group. And the few that did not identify as aboriginal in the 1996 census would likely have put aboriginal as an ancestry in 2016 census. It can happen.

Jasin wrote on Jun 26^th, 2020 at 8:27pm:

Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk. Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again. Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions.

I have just awoken to news that the grocery stores have reintroduced buying restrictions for toilet paper again. Panic buying has set in with shelves looking empty. Ahh Rockhampton. You need to keep up with the southern states. That includes acting like idiots.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2020 at 9:29am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 8:27pm: Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk. Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again. Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions. I have just awoken to news that the grocery stores have reintroduced buying restrictions for toilet paper again. Panic buying has set in with shelves looking empty. Ahh Rockhampton. You need to keep up with the southern states. That includes acting like idiots.

So much for my plan to get back to my normal method of buying in bulk through a wholesaler.

That won't be available again as well.  >:(

I also blame the supermarkets for allowing it to get going again......

trolleys full of toilet paper should have been turned around, told to put it back or leave the store.

We'll end up with permanent restrictions on items if this keeps up.

Gnads wrote on Jun 27^th, 2020 at 10:10am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 9:29am: Jasin wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 8:27pm: Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk. Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again. Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions. I have just awoken to news that the grocery stores have reintroduced buying restrictions for toilet paper again. Panic buying has set in with shelves looking empty. Ahh Rockhampton. You need to keep up with the southern states. That includes acting like idiots. So much for my plan to get back to my normal method of buying in bulk through a wholesaler. That won't be available again as well.  >:( I also blame the supermarkets for allowing it to get going again...... trolleys full of toilet paper should have been turned around, told to put it back or leave the store. We'll end up with permanent restrictions on items if this keeps up.

That’s not what I have seen, there are notices up specifically instructing one packet toilet roll per customer.
So they are not letting it get away again, they have learn well from before.
But then again, that’s in Victoria, why would there be panic buying up in Queensland when only one case covid infected appeared overnight?

I’m sure you can do the bulk buying Gnads, find out rather than assuming.
Let us know how it goes.

In the meantime, this bothers me....but what bothers me more, there is this debate, whether returned travellers should be tested for covid or not.... say what???? :o And then this spike overnight....41 cases in Botchtoria Victoria  :o

https://apple.news/A734NmCNdQeKknozTS_J0Kw

Just noticed some more shops having put up their Virus Shields and implemented strict measures again.
Hopefully it doesn't get worse, as Victorians are a welcome influx during holidays - which makes a big difference to the region. These school holidays will again be a fizzer for Tourism here - but it's been like that since the holidays.

Sophia wrote on Jun 27^th, 2020 at 3:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 10:10am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 9:29am: Jasin wrote on Jun 26th, 2020 at 8:27pm: Bermagui Locals fuming at the Vic Tourists buying out Woolworth's stocks in bulk. Bega Woolworth's lacking Toilet Paper again. Eden-Monaro SuperMarkets return to restrictions. I have just awoken to news that the grocery stores have reintroduced buying restrictions for toilet paper again. Panic buying has set in with shelves looking empty. Ahh Rockhampton. You need to keep up with the southern states. That includes acting like idiots. So much for my plan to get back to my normal method of buying in bulk through a wholesaler. That won't be available again as well.  >:( I also blame the supermarkets for allowing it to get going again...... trolleys full of toilet paper should have been turned around, told to put it back or leave the store. We'll end up with permanent restrictions on items if this keeps up. That’s not what I have seen, there are notices up specifically instructing one packet toilet roll per customer. So they are not letting it get away again, they have learn well from before. But then again, that’s in Victoria, why would there be panic buying up in Queensland when only one case covid infected appeared overnight? I’m sure you can do the bulk buying Gnads, find out rather than assuming. Let us know how it goes. In the meantime, this bothers me....but what bothers me more, there is this debate, whether returned travellers should be tested for covid or not.... say what???? :o And then this spike overnight....41 cases in Botchtoria Victoria  :o https://apple.news/A734NmCNdQeKknozTS_J0Kw

Then why are toilet roll areas in supermarkets in Vic & NSW empty again?

Are those on here reporting a scarcity again
fibbing?

There have been less cases in QLD than in NSW & Vic from the outset ......

but the panic buying went through QLD just like it did everywhere else.

The world is full of stupid people ...no?

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Then why are toilet roll areas in supermarkets in Vic & NSW empty again? Are those on here reporting a scarcity again fibbing? There have been less cases in QLD than in NSW & Vic from the outset ...... but the panic buying went through QLD just like it did everywhere else. The world is full of stupid people ...no?

Oh you have to be kidding 🤭😂
Yes, rarely I like agreeing with you Gnads 🤨 coz I love giving you stick, so read my signature below, to my agreeing with you re: the world full of stupid people ....never been more apt eh 😏

46 new cases yesterday. That's 10% of our maximum ever daily count. I think we are in the second wave, and this time it is all local community transmission.

Sophia wrote on Jun 27^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Quote: Then why are toilet roll areas in supermarkets in Vic & NSW empty again? Are those on here reporting a scarcity again fibbing? There have been less cases in QLD than in NSW & Vic from the outset ...... but the panic buying went through QLD just like it did everywhere else. The world is full of stupid people ...no? Oh you have to be kidding 🤭😂 Yes, rarely I like agreeing with you Gnads 🤨 coz I love giving you stick, so read my signature below, to my agreeing with you re: the world full of stupid people ....never been more apt eh 😏

Yeah  ;D When are you changing your rego plates?

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Gnads wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 9:43am:

Sophia wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 6:14pm: Quote: Then why are toilet roll areas in supermarkets in Vic & NSW empty again? Are those on here reporting a scarcity again fibbing? There have been less cases in QLD than in NSW & Vic from the outset ...... but the panic buying went through QLD just like it did everywhere else. The world is full of stupid people ...no? Oh you have to be kidding 🤭😂 Yes, rarely I like agreeing with you Gnads 🤨 coz I love giving you stick, so read my signature below, to my agreeing with you re: the world full of stupid people ....never been more apt eh 😏 Yeah  ;D When are you changing your rego plates?

Maybe long due past the date now, I wish I left Victoria long ago, it’s turned to shyte. I’m not proud.
Queensland Sunshine State on my rego plate would be ideal now!

The protesters had no idea if they would spread the virus and kill people, nobody did and they didn't care.

Johnnie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 2:42pm:

The protesters had no idea if they would spread the virus and kill people, nobody did and they didn't care.

I am not actually concerned about a bunch of BLM protesters getting the virus. I am getting concerned that if they do the right thing, 14 days self-isolation won't be long enough to settle them down. I actually would not care if they go back to aboriginal communities and then they go quiet for a long time that police and advocates have to go check on them.

Jasin wrote on Jun 27^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:

Just noticed some more shops having put up their Virus Shields and implemented strict measures again. Hopefully it doesn't get worse, as Victorians are a welcome influx during holidays - which makes a big difference to the region. These school holidays will again be a fizzer for Tourism here - but it's been like that since the holidays.

We have not taken ours down since we had them up in April. Barely anyone is practicing social distancing, except on escalators. I still shower up to 4 times a day. I have upped my vitamin C intake. And I have taken to putting green tea bags in my water canister to help lower my blood sugar levels.

I think all of the out of towners who have come back with the virus have either up and left and/or been cured of the virus. But, we are not taking any chances.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 8:07pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 3:13pm: Just noticed some more shops having put up their Virus Shields and implemented strict measures again. Hopefully it doesn't get worse, as Victorians are a welcome influx during holidays - which makes a big difference to the region. These school holidays will again be a fizzer for Tourism here - but it's been like that since the holidays. We have not taken ours down since we had them up in April. Barely anyone is practicing social distancing, except on escalators. I still shower up to 4 times a day. I have upped my vitamin C intake. And I have taken to putting green tea bags in my water canister to help lower my blood sugar levels. I think all of the out of towners who have come back with the virus have either up and left and/or been cured of the virus. But, we are not taking any chances.

Go the Multi-Vitamins. Cover all bases. But only take one a day, never more - or you can do some overload on your organs. Men lack Zinc, like women lack Iron, so Oysters are good for you - just a 6-pak a week.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 8:15pm:

Go the Multi-Vitamins. Cover all bases. But only take one a day, never more - or you can do some overload on your organs. Men lack Zinc, like women lack Iron, so Oysters are good for you - just a 6-pak a week.  ;)

Australian men lack iodine because of the lack of iodine in Australian soils. Zinc is only deficient for a few men. I have an oversupply of vitamins in my cupboard that I will only buy a few items for next year.

I buy calcium and vitamin D tablets for the winter months. I get fish oil and glucosamine tablets to keep my joints functioning well. I have vitamin C tables that I have yet to get through this year. Every other tablets that I use has been for optional betterment of health. I have found that if I stick to drinking black or green tea and taking my diabetes medication, that is enough to keep me healthy.

But, if I get a cold sometime (which I figure might be soon), I will be getting through my lime juice and aspro clear to get rid of the sickness as soon as possible.

Wow look at these new infections in US of A 🤭

Could this surge be in a timely fashion of Covid infections from those street gatherings/protests/looting etc? Coincidentally? I don’t think so but...
Whoa 😮 over 40,000 !!! A day mind you!
And here in Victoria we have 40 ish .... seems weird in comparison but.... if we don’t knock it on the head....it will grow exponentially.

https://i.imgur.com/Tbm5vLS.jpg

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 28^th, 2020 at 9:43pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 8:15pm: Go the Multi-Vitamins. Cover all bases. But only take one a day, never more - or you can do some overload on your organs. Men lack Zinc, like women lack Iron, so Oysters are good for you - just a 6-pak a week.  ;) Australian men lack iodine because of the lack of iodine in Australian soils. Zinc is only deficient for a few men. I have an oversupply of vitamins in my cupboard that I will only buy a few items for next year. I buy calcium and vitamin D tablets for the winter months. I get fish oil and glucosamine tablets to keep my joints functioning well. I have vitamin C tables that I have yet to get through this year. Every other tablets that I use has been for optional betterment of health. I have found that if I stick to drinking black or green tea and taking my diabetes medication, that is enough to keep me healthy. But, if I get a cold sometime (which I figure might be soon), I will be getting through my lime juice and aspro clear to get rid of the sickness as soon as possible.

You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack.

Unless you have a medical condition that drains essentials from your system & creates a deficiency you shouldn't need or use them.

It's best diagnosed by a doctor after blood tests.

The body excretes most of what you take & all it does is make your piss change colour whilst you're making some bastard rich.

As well as prescription drugs have you ever stopped to think what all this does to our river & marine environments through the outfalls of our sewerage treatment works?

Plus all the fluoride in public water supplies.

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:23pm:

You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack.

I think I conceded that amount in my last post. Next year, I won't be buying nearly half the stuff I bought earlier this year. Just the medication. The doctor just tells me to up my vitamin D intake. Perhaps that would be the only once a year supplement I do from here onwards.

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:23pm:

The body excretes most of what you take & all it does is make your piss change colour whilst you're making some bastard rich.

Sadly, this is true.

I said it before and I will say it again. I cannot believe that the USA is so pathetic that it would let themselves get so infected by a virus. And the death toll just makes them look so third world.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:40pm:

I said it before and I will say it again. I cannot believe that the USA is so pathetic that it would let themselves get so infected by a virus. And the death toll just makes them look so third world.

It's extraordinary that Trump is allowed to remain in the White House.

He's killing thousands of Americans and nobody seems to have the power to do anything about it.

They need to flush the turd on November 3rd.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:46pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:40pm: I said it before and I will say it again. I cannot believe that the USA is so pathetic that it would let themselves get so infected by a virus. And the death toll just makes them look so third world. It's extraordinary that Trump is allowed to remain in the White House. He's killing thousands of Americans and nobody seems to have the power to do anything about it. They need to flush the turd on November 3rd.

The last federal elections consisted of two narcissists. It came down to whoever was the more entertaining. Because of the superiority complex of Americans, the voters had to vote in someone that they could make a mockery of a president without the mockery getting tiresome too soon. Hilary's speeches would have vexated the public long before the mockeries got passed their used by date. Trump just makes the general public feel at ease with his mindlessness.

Joe Biden could probably change things up with his own delusional talking. But I would settle for Mike Pence taking the top job.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:40pm: I said it before and I will say it again. I cannot believe that the USA is so pathetic that it would let themselves get so infected by a virus. And the death toll just makes them look so third world. It's extraordinary that Trump is allowed to remain in the White House. He's killing thousands of Americans and nobody seems to have the power to do anything about it. They need to flush the turd on November 3rd. The last federal elections consisted of two narcissists. It came down to whoever was the more entertaining. Because of the superiority complex of Americans, the voters had to vote in someone that they could make a mockery of a president without the mockery getting tiresome too soon. Hilary's speeches would have vexated the public long before the mockeries got passed their used by date. Trump just makes the general public feel at ease with his mindlessness. Joe Biden could probably change things up with his own delusional talking. But I would settle for Mike Pence taking the top job.

The voters chose Hillary though.

Trump was chosen by the electoral college.

Mike Pence would be every bit as bad as Trump, if not worse.

I've come around to Biden - he might actually be exactly what the country needs.

We'll just have to see who his VP is - he'll announce his decision in the next few weeks.

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 12:23pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 9:43pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 8:15pm: Go the Multi-Vitamins. Cover all bases. But only take one a day, never more - or you can do some overload on your organs. Men lack Zinc, like women lack Iron, so Oysters are good for you - just a 6-pak a week.  ;) Australian men lack iodine because of the lack of iodine in Australian soils. Zinc is only deficient for a few men. I have an oversupply of vitamins in my cupboard that I will only buy a few items for next year. I buy calcium and vitamin D tablets for the winter months. I get fish oil and glucosamine tablets to keep my joints functioning well. I have vitamin C tables that I have yet to get through this year. Every other tablets that I use has been for optional betterment of health. I have found that if I stick to drinking black or green tea and taking my diabetes medication, that is enough to keep me healthy. But, if I get a cold sometime (which I figure might be soon), I will be getting through my lime juice and aspro clear to get rid of the sickness as soon as possible. You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Unless you have a medical condition that drains essentials from your system & creates a deficiency you shouldn't need or use them. It's best diagnosed by a doctor after blood tests. The body excretes most of what you take & all it does is make your piss change colour whilst you're making some bastard rich. As well as prescription drugs have you ever stopped to think what all this does to our river & marine environments through the outfalls of our sewerage treatment works? Plus all the fluoride in public water supplies.

I have been taking multi vitamins zinc and fish oil for over 20yrs, not for any condition but as a type of insurance policy. I never get sick but i never did.

There are a lot of trace elements vitamins and minerals in multi vitamin tablets and unless you are eating right all the time you will be lacking.

Zink and fish oil can do no harm, fish oil has proven to be a winner for a lot of things

Fish chips a multi and a six pack for dinner tonight.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 1:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 1:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:46pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:40pm: I said it before and I will say it again. I cannot believe that the USA is so pathetic that it would let themselves get so infected by a virus. And the death toll just makes them look so third world. It's extraordinary that Trump is allowed to remain in the White House. He's killing thousands of Americans and nobody seems to have the power to do anything about it. They need to flush the turd on November 3rd. The last federal elections consisted of two narcissists. It came down to whoever was the more entertaining. Because of the superiority complex of Americans, the voters had to vote in someone that they could make a mockery of a president without the mockery getting tiresome too soon. Hilary's speeches would have vexated the public long before the mockeries got passed their used by date. Trump just makes the general public feel at ease with his mindlessness. Joe Biden could probably change things up with his own delusional talking. But I would settle for Mike Pence taking the top job. The voters chose Hillary though. Trump was chosen by the electoral college. Mike Pence would be every bit as bad as Trump, if not worse. I've come around to Biden - he might actually be exactly what the country needs. We'll just have to see who his VP is - he'll announce his decision in the next few weeks.

Biden has dementia or a few roos loose in the top paddock.

He's 77 yrs old & is a sleezy old hands man on the young things ..... & you crap on about Trump.  ::)

Hilary lost get over it.

She would have been a disaster ...... only positive had she won would have been for her .......it would have been easier for her  to make sure anyone who had anything on her disappeared.

Benghazi! 

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You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack.

Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins.

Johnnie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

I have been taking multi vitamins zinc and fish oil for over 20yrs, not for any condition but as a type of insurance policy. I never get sick but i never did. There are a lot of trace elements vitamins and minerals in multi vitamin tablets and unless you are eating right all the time you will be lacking. Zink and fish oil can do no harm, fish oil has proven to be a winner for a lot of things Fish chips a multi and a six pack for dinner tonight.

I don't know what it is lately, but I have been getting tired more often after eating. I know that it has to do with the insulin production in my body. But, these have been worse lately than before. I know I have not done right by my body with the recent increase in alcohol. But, I think I have triggered an oversupply of insulin production in my body from simply not spacing my drinking sessions.

I have not a multivitamin supply for some time. I just stick to vitamins that my doctor says needs to be replenished artificially. I have found that the vitamin D tablets have helped with energy and muscle growth. I did start retaking these vitamin D tablets with a calcium combination. However, I think I have provoked some restart of my bone spurs that I had last year.

I use green tea bags that I put in my water canister when I go to work. On a brief rehydration break, I find that I feel a bit more energised from the cold green tea. Water does help. But green tea seems to improve my energy levels with the caffeine.

Recent weeks have seen me experience either mild cold sores, or some mosquito bite pimples. I have been drained of energy to some extent. I was going to go for a walk tonight. But I feel like just turning in to bed and sleeping 10 hours. Either I catch a cold and get over it for the year. Or I have to improve my mosquito zapper range.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 2:27am:

Johnnie wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 4:28pm: I have been taking multi vitamins zinc and fish oil for over 20yrs, not for any condition but as a type of insurance policy. I never get sick but i never did. There are a lot of trace elements vitamins and minerals in multi vitamin tablets and unless you are eating right all the time you will be lacking. Zink and fish oil can do no harm, fish oil has proven to be a winner for a lot of things Fish chips a multi and a six pack for dinner tonight. I don't know what it is lately, but I have been getting tired more often after eating. I know that it has to do with the insulin production in my body. But, these have been worse lately than before. I know I have not done right by my body with the recent increase in alcohol. But, I think I have triggered an oversupply of insulin production in my body from simply not spacing my drinking sessions. I have not a multivitamin supply for some time. I just stick to vitamins that my doctor says needs to be replenished artificially. I have found that the vitamin D tablets have helped with energy and muscle growth. I did start retaking these vitamin D tablets with a calcium combination. However, I think I have provoked some restart of my bone spurs that I had last year. I use green tea bags that I put in my water canister when I go to work. On a brief rehydration break, I find that I feel a bit more energised from the cold green tea. Water does help. But green tea seems to improve my energy levels with the caffeine. Recent weeks have seen me experience either mild cold sores, or some mosquito bite pimples. I have been drained of energy to some extent. I was going to go for a walk tonight. But I feel like just turning in to bed and sleeping 10 hours. Either I catch a cold and get over it for the year. Or I have to improve my mosquito zapper range.

Get tested ;D

Mosquitoes this weather? None down here.

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 8:58pm:

Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins.

Unless you're on some weird diet you should get everything you need from what you eat ....

excesses of any one particular thing should be avoided.

Check the content labels & see what is in cereals - processed & unprocessed, vegetables the same, meats, cheeses, fruits, breads.....

it's all there.

Unless you are lacking because of a certain medical condition or disease...........

you are wasting your money.

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 7:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm: Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins. Unless you're on some weird diet you should get everything you need from what you eat .... excesses of any one particular thing should be avoided. Check the content labels & see what is in cereals - processed & unprocessed, vegetables the same, meats, cheeses, fruits, breads..... it's all there. Unless you are lacking because of a certain medical condition or disease........... you are wasting your money.

Yep, the vitamin industry is pretty much a scam.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 8:41am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:49am: freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm: Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins. Unless you're on some weird diet you should get everything you need from what you eat .... excesses of any one particular thing should be avoided. Check the content labels & see what is in cereals - processed & unprocessed, vegetables the same, meats, cheeses, fruits, breads..... it's all there. Unless you are lacking because of a certain medical condition or disease........... you are wasting your money. Yep, the vitamin industry is pretty much a scam.

Yes and no. I'm lost in the quote bubble but whoever said "excess of calories, not excess of vitamins" was on the money.

This is, however, quite rare and a good doctor will pick it up without a blood test. Hell, most times, your mum can.

Even then mostly, it's better to increase a vitamin loading food or drink than to pop a pill but sometimes , a pill i what is required.

I'd love to say we get all we need in our diets but so many diets are just junk. It's actually quite alarming how malnourished we are, as a country. Not as far behind the US as we would like to think.

mothra wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 8:48am:

Even then mostly, it's better to increase a vitamin loading food or drink than to pop a pill but sometimes , a pill i what is required.

Sometimes, sure.

If you're sick and rundown, go for it.

But the advertising that suggests healthy people should take them daily for "everyday health" is just nonsense.

https://drpricesvitamins.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/a/daily-vites-packet-only_1.png

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 9:14am:

mothra wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 8:48am: Even then mostly, it's better to increase a vitamin loading food or drink than to pop a pill but sometimes , a pill i what is required. Sometimes, sure. If you're sick and rundown, go for it. But the advertising that suggests healthy people should take them daily for "everyday health" is just nonsense. https://drpricesvitamins.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/a/daily-vites-packet-only_1.png

Agreed. Multivitamins are particularly odious.

Eat yer carrots and greens and spuds... (aaargh).. I yam what I yam...

https://media3.giphy.com/media/90PPv7eqekhrO/giphy.gif

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2020 at 8:58pm:

Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins.

Agree.
Excess of empty calories at that.
BTW, minerals are lacking/depleted in soil,  hence minerals are lacking in our diet.
I recall they used to do a vitamin count on a fruit basket periodically in the 90s, and comparing it with previous fruit and veges tested.
It showed how vitamin C , for instance, was becoming depleted in the fruit.

What’s our fruit and veges like with vitamin count of late?

I had a blood test from Doc, and found I was low in vitamin D which isn’t all surprising since I live in a state that’s cold for 9 months of the year, so vitamin D was recommended I take from the Doctor.

When I was pregnant, by 5 months I became pale looking, and very tired.
Obstetrician did blood test to find I was very low in iron and prescribed iron tablets, then did a further blood test and found the iron had risen, which meant I didn’t feel as tired.

There’s 2 of my own examples why vitamins are not a scam or nonsense.

And I find out, people with cancer, are severely lacking vitamin C.... either the lack of vitamin C is a contributing factor that could lead to cancer, or the cancer causes a depletion off vitamin C within the body.

Not forgetting how sailors in the olde days of tall sailing ships suffered and died from scurvy, only to find later that Vitamin C ...cured scurvy. 👍

Sophia wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

I had a blood test from Doc, and found I was low in vitamin D which isn’t all surprising since I live in a state that’s cold for 9 months of the year, so vitamin D was recommended I take from the Doctor.

Everyone I know who has a had a blood test recently, were told they are low in vitamin D - me included.

Sophia wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm: Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins. Agree. Excess of empty calories at that. BTW, minerals are lacking/depleted in soil,  hence minerals are lacking in our diet. I recall they used to do a vitamin count on a fruit basket periodically in the 90s, and comparing it with previous fruit and veges tested. It showed how vitamin C , for instance, was becoming depleted in the fruit. What’s our fruit and veges like with vitamin count of late? I had a blood test from Doc, and found I was low in vitamin D which isn’t all surprising since I live in a state that’s cold for 9 months of the year, so vitamin D was recommended I take from the Doctor. When I was pregnant, by 5 months I became pale looking, and very tired. Obstetrician did blood test to find I was very low in iron and prescribed iron tablets, then did a further blood test and found the iron had risen, which meant I didn’t feel as tired. There’s 2 of my own examples why vitamins are not a scam or nonsense. And I find out, people with cancer, are severely lacking vitamin C.... either the lack of vitamin C is a contributing factor that could lead to cancer, or the cancer causes a depletion off vitamin C within the body. Not forgetting how sailors in the olde days of tall sailing ships suffered and died from scurvy, only to find later that Vitamin C ...cured scurvy. 👍

I believe a part of the Captain Cook story was that he made a point of stopping at Tahiti to take on limes... (yum - limes!) .. I think the idea of the tale was that such things were not generally accepted in the Royal Nay-veh, but Captain Cook, being of peasant stock*, had better ideas.

* and like the Gineral Hisself, good ol' Robert E, he never owned a slave let alone a Niqqer...

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 6:47am:

Get tested ;D Mosquitoes this weather? None down here.

I donate blood every 3 months. They do a screening of my blood. I would not be surprised if they test for further diseases.

Mosquitos around here get desperate for any type of wet weather, during this time of year. Whenever the rain comes around during the dry season, the mosquitos make sure to go on a biting spree. I even have home-made bifenthrin candles burning under the house to make sure that mosquitos don't come around. I think it probably also kills off the hibernating larvae, too.

Gnads wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 7:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 8:58pm: Quote: You're wasting you money on vitamins .... we lead lives of excess not lack. Excess of calories. Not necessarily excess of vitamins. Unless you're on some weird diet you should get everything you need from what you eat .... excesses of any one particular thing should be avoided. Check the content labels & see what is in cereals - processed & unprocessed, vegetables the same, meats, cheeses, fruits, breads..... it's all there. Unless you are lacking because of a certain medical condition or disease........... you are wasting your money.

Does big macs count as a wierd diet?

Seriously though, a lot of the engineering that has gone into modern crops has left them with fewer vitamins per calorie. On top of that we are less likely to eat the bitter herb type stuff that we used to scrape by on.

Sophia wrote on Jun 30^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

There’s 2 of my own examples why vitamins are not a scam or nonsense. And I find out, people with cancer, are severely lacking vitamin C.... either the lack of vitamin C is a contributing factor that could lead to cancer, or the cancer causes a depletion off vitamin C within the body. Not forgetting how sailors in the olde days of tall sailing ships suffered and died from scurvy, only to find later that Vitamin C ...cured scurvy. 👍

But they are 2 very extreme examples
The average person doesn't need vitamin supliments
They are a scam

Of course the BLM protestors spread this Kung Flu.

WTF does the government mean by under investigation or a result of routine testing?

There were 4 confirmed cases from BLM idiots this virus has a R Nought of 5-6 so those 4 infected 20-24 people then those 24 each went on to infect another 5-6 people which puts numbers over 100.

Only a leftist idiot would deny these BLM idiots didn't spread this virus.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 1^st, 2020 at 6:30pm:

Sophia wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 10:17am: There’s 2 of my own examples why vitamins are not a scam or nonsense. And I find out, people with cancer, are severely lacking vitamin C.... either the lack of vitamin C is a contributing factor that could lead to cancer, or the cancer causes a depletion off vitamin C within the body. Not forgetting how sailors in the olde days of tall sailing ships suffered and died from scurvy, only to find later that Vitamin C ...cured scurvy. 👍 But they are 2 very extreme examples The average person doesn't need vitamin supliments They are a scam

You kind of chopped up my post in half to quote.
I’m an average person, I put up an example about being low in iron etc. in the first part.

Okay, let’s look at magnesium, helps with reducing muscle cramps for starters.

We just need to look at what symptoms one experiences due to certain vitamin/mineral deficiency.
And deficiency can happen depending on food we usually eat, maybe much the same of some types food, and not enough variety of most foods across the board or pyramid food chart.

Too many burgers and fries and coke or sugary foods isn’t doing any favours for ones body.
High blood sugar for instance could well be the onset to diabetes type 2.
Why is it on the rise?

What causes that? A lot of wrong foods,l?  Too much sugar is in everything now.

Key facts. The number of people with diabetes has risen from 108 million in 1980 to 422 million in 2014. The global prevalence of diabetes* among adults over 18 years of age has risen from 4.7% in 1980 to 8.5% in 2014 (1). Diabetes prevalence has been rising more rapidly in middle- and low-income countries.Oct 30, 2018

Do we drink enough plain water throughout the day? Exercise much?

It’s just too easy to have an unbalanced diet, and what lacks are certain vitamins that can be supplemented. Some women need more calcium, hence taking supplements to slow osteoporosis may help.

My daughter did some work at Ian Gawler foundation where cancer patients went and were educated about foods.
She worked in the kitchen,  fresh fruits and vegetables, fruit smoothies, all to nourish/detox the body. Boosting the immune.
Meditation was part of it too.
It’s hoped many make those dietary changes for good after they leave.
Yes food is supposed to have it all but many of us do have a bit of imbalance and supplementation can help.

Without googling, how many know what foods have mid to high range of vitamin b17?       ii

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 12:27am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 1st, 2020 at 6:30pm: Sophia wrote on Jun 30th, 2020 at 10:17am: There’s 2 of my own examples why vitamins are not a scam or nonsense. And I find out, people with cancer, are severely lacking vitamin C.... either the lack of vitamin C is a contributing factor that could lead to cancer, or the cancer causes a depletion off vitamin C within the body. Not forgetting how sailors in the olde days of tall sailing ships suffered and died from scurvy, only to find later that Vitamin C ...cured scurvy. 👍 But they are 2 very extreme examples The average person doesn't need vitamin supliments They are a scam You kind of chopped up my post in half to quote. I’m an average person, I put up an example about being low in iron etc. in the first part. Okay, let’s look at magnesium, helps with reducing muscle cramps for starters. We just need to look at what symptoms one experiences due to certain vitamin/mineral deficiency. And deficiency can happen depending on food we usually eat, maybe much the same of some types food, and not enough variety of most foods across the board or pyramid food chart. Too many burgers and fries and coke or sugary foods isn’t doing any favours for ones body. High blood sugar for instance could well be the onset to diabetes type 2. Why is it on the rise? What causes that? A lot of wrong foods,l?  Too much sugar is in everything now. Key facts. The number of people with diabetes has risen from 108 million in 1980 to 422 million in 2014. The global prevalence of diabetes* among adults over 18 years of age has risen from 4.7% in 1980 to 8.5% in 2014 (1). Diabetes prevalence has been rising more rapidly in middle- and low-income countries.Oct 30, 2018 Do we drink enough plain water throughout the day? Exercise much? It’s just too easy to have an unbalanced diet, and what lacks are certain vitamins that can be supplemented. Some women need more calcium, hence taking supplements to slow osteoporosis may help. My daughter did some work at Ian Gawler foundation where cancer patients went and were educated about foods. She worked in the kitchen,  fresh fruits and vegetables, fruit smoothies, all to nourish/detox the body. Boosting the immune. Meditation was part of it too. It’s hoped many make those dietary changes for good after they leave. Yes food is supposed to have it all but many of us do have a bit of imbalance and supplementation can help. Without googling, how many know what foods have mid to high range of vitamin b17?

Lols you're quoting examples of medical conditions either caused by disease or adverse conditions or both.

Normal well people do not require vitamin supplements.

I won't be believing some vitamin entrepreneur/snake oil salesman/corporation over the medical profession.

It's all about private equity companies cashing in on our gullibility & making mega dollars.

Unless recommended by a doctor after blood test results & examination I won't buy them.   

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If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh?

Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. And the fact a 4-6 year medical course only covers vitamins in a paltry 45 mins during that whole course is definitely not studying it properly.

Prevention is better than cure.
In this case, I will stay on my course of vitamins AND minerals, and I have avoided prescriptions.

No answer to my question about vitamin B17?
And it’s benefits?
Ask your medical doctor, he won’t know either.

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:02am:

If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma.

Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday.

Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D.

Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too.

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:02am:

If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. And the fact a 4-6 year medical course only covers vitamins in a paltry 45 mins during that whole course is definitely not studying it properly. Prevention is better than cure. In this case, I will stay on my course of vitamins AND minerals, and I have avoided prescriptions. No answer to my question about vitamin B17? And it’s benefits? Ask your medical doctor, he won’t know either.

hi lols... my doctor never recommends vitamins either when ever I have suggested them    but then she discovered my Vit D levels were low... a fact as you get older...so she immediately put me on Vit D tablets  which apparently work when the rest dont... ::) ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:08am:

Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too.

r u taking them greg??

I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right..

cods wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:08am: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too. r u taking them greg?? I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right..

I'm told I have low Vitamin D levels, but I don't experience any of the symptoms associated with that.

My doctor wants me to take Vitamin D, and I'm considering it.

She also wants me to take a statin, but I've told her that will never happen (again).

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:08am:

Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too.

Yes I know, I mentioned earlier as my own case about being prescribed vitamin D by doctor, and it is very surprising because to me it’s an admission on the journey to getting a medical foot in the door to the world of vitamins and our humanly ways of lacking due to our faulty diet/living.
I was incredibly surprised when this new thing with doctors cane about in recent times. Never did it before, except for Iron supplements.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:15am:

cods wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:10am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:08am: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too. r u taking them greg?? I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right.. I'm told I have low Vitamin D levels, but I don't experience any of the symptoms associated with that. My doctor wants me to take Vitamin D, and I'm considering it. She also wants me to take a statin, but I've told her that will never happen (again).

I dont recall having any  symptoms   I have blood tests all the time for EVERYTHING>...lol...they wont have to preserve me when I fall of the branch..

if they are recommended I suggest you take them...buy them in the chemist..although I believe the generic are just the same....I cant be bothered shopping for them..statin is that for cholesterol ..

again it depends on your age and fitness...if you are doing other things to help your body   well I guess its ok...

my grandsons boss 47 had a massive stroke whilst driving his car  as luck would have it he had arrived home and was coming to a stop in his driveway...otherwise he would be dead...he has been in hospital ever since...ina coma for a few weeks..now out of coma but half his memory had gone  he cannot remember his family of today....only his previous family first wife and kids...how awful is that? he also has to learn to walk again  not sure about speech but guess thats the same... grandson is still not allowed to go in and see him yet...   I dont think anyone expects him to return to work......his new family I think two kids also live in a house provided by the company he works for......soooooo.....they are facing an ordeal...

men really need to take a good look at themselves when it comes to health...if something doesnt agree with you there is always an alternative  but you have to talk about it.

cods wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:08am: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too. r u taking them greg?? I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right..

Hi Cods, I watched an interview with Margaret Fulton (some may know she has an empire of cook books published in parallel with Women’s weekly cook books) she only passed last year, age 95.

She showed the 2-3 vitamins she took daily, and being a food/nutritionist cook expert, she would know something about what our foods may lack.
She being a cook and taking supplements, had said she never had prescriptions.
And the proof she lived to 95 yrs is good enough for me to follow a good example.
I have a friend, my age, who had always ran to the white coats, so much prescription she is on. I recall a stretch of anti biotics for 9 months!
Her teeth looked bad, and....she could hardly walk, years of prescription and said her knees are bone on bone now.
I know, some people are hypochondriacs 🤨
It pains me to see her my age and hobbling like a 100 year old.

Now another friend much younger than me, with painful joints, hobbling also, had now gone on a recommended diet to eliminate sugar, carbs etc.
Very strict and.... she is able to walk with less pain now.

Point is, will she go back to her old ways or make this permanent change for the better for life?

Habits are hard broken aren’t they?
Unhealthy foods, smoking, alcoholic drinkers, cannabis users, etc
Humans are creatures of habits.

cods wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:15am: cods wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:10am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:08am: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too. r u taking them greg?? I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right.. I'm told I have low Vitamin D levels, but I don't experience any of the symptoms associated with that. My doctor wants me to take Vitamin D, and I'm considering it. She also wants me to take a statin, but I've told her that will never happen (again). I dont recall having any  symptoms   I have blood tests all the time for EVERYTHING>...lol...they wont have to preserve me when I fall of the branch.. if they are recommended I suggest you take them...buy them in the chemist..although I believe the generic are just the same....I cant be bothered shopping for them..statin is that for cholesterol .. again it depends on your age and fitness...if you are doing other things to help your body   well I guess its ok... my grandsons boss 47 had a massive stroke whilst driving his car  as luck would have it he had arrived home and was coming to a stop in his driveway...otherwise he would be dead...he has been in hospital ever since...ina coma for a few weeks..now out of coma but half his memory had gone  he cannot remember his family of today....only his previous family first wife and kids...how awful is that? he also has to learn to walk again  not sure about speech but guess thats the same... grandson is still not allowed to go in and see him yet...   I dont think anyone expects him to return to work......his new family I think two kids also live in a house provided by the company he works for......soooooo.....they are facing an ordeal... men really need to take a good look at themselves when it comes to health...if something doesnt agree with you there is always an alternative  but you have to talk about it.

Yes, statins are for cholesterol.

The most (over)prescribed drugs in the world.

Meant to say, if doctors prescribe vitamin B, which one as there are various vitamin B and for different symptoms.

There are numbers after the letter B.

As for statins you mentioned, Greg, I would love to know what your experience or knowledge is about it. I’ve heard much of it, and read that if one had a stroke in life, should never take statins. I challenged doctors on this, and they say it’s supposed to avoid strokes, yet my mum who was doing so well had her prescription changed from 3 medications to 6 medications, with a different cholesterol statin medicine, ended up with a huge stroke, half paralysed, unable to talk drink or eat, 8 days later r.i.p. mum 😢

Another time they changed her medication, it gave her pains in the chest, headaches and dizziness.
I can’t remember the name of it now, but I checked it out online, and was banned in the USA, with class action law suites. This cholesterol medication caused premature death. Big issue about statins here.
So I told her to stop taking it and go back to old medication.
She said it cost her $120 and was a new one from the USA.
I was stunned at the campaign for it.
She did stop taking it and her pain and dizziness stopped.

We must have an approach to look into everything we are going to put into our humanly bodies and it’s probable effects.
Your body tells you, we need to listen to it more.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:56am:

cods wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:15am: cods wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:10am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:08am: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. Not sure about the rest of the country, but here in Perth GPs are prescribing Vitamin D everyday. Everyone I know who has had a blood test done recently has been told by their doctor to start taking Vitamin D. Vitamin B is widely prescribed by doctors too. r u taking them greg?? I asked my doctor what good do they do  and she said its for the brain....lololol...so one of us must be doing it right.. I'm told I have low Vitamin D levels, but I don't experience any of the symptoms associated with that. My doctor wants me to take Vitamin D, and I'm considering it. She also wants me to take a statin, but I've told her that will never happen (again). I dont recall having any  symptoms   I have blood tests all the time for EVERYTHING>...lol...they wont have to preserve me when I fall of the branch.. if they are recommended I suggest you take them...buy them in the chemist..although I believe the generic are just the same....I cant be bothered shopping for them..statin is that for cholesterol .. again it depends on your age and fitness...if you are doing other things to help your body   well I guess its ok... my grandsons boss 47 had a massive stroke whilst driving his car  as luck would have it he had arrived home and was coming to a stop in his driveway...otherwise he would be dead...he has been in hospital ever since...ina coma for a few weeks..now out of coma but half his memory had gone  he cannot remember his family of today....only his previous family first wife and kids...how awful is that? he also has to learn to walk again  not sure about speech but guess thats the same... grandson is still not allowed to go in and see him yet...   I dont think anyone expects him to return to work......his new family I think two kids also live in a house provided by the company he works for......soooooo.....they are facing an ordeal... men really need to take a good look at themselves when it comes to health...if something doesnt agree with you there is always an alternative  but you have to talk about it. Yes, statins are for cholesterol. The most (over)prescribed drugs in the world.

And hence, going back to what I wrote to Gnads to help him see how the big pharmaceutical company makes huge money out of that over prescribing.

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 11:02am:

If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. And the fact a 4-6 year medical course only covers vitamins in a paltry 45 mins during that whole course is definitely not studying it properly. Prevention is better than cure. In this case, I will stay on my course of vitamins AND minerals, and I have avoided prescriptions. No answer to my question about vitamin B17? And it’s benefits? Ask your medical doctor, he won’t know either.

Have a look at the pie chart

Pharmaceutical companies own the vitamin companies

so it is linked to big Pharma.... i.e. Bayer, Pfizer

Even Amway is still in there ... & we know they are crooks.

you didn't dig deep enough. :P

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 12:02pm:

Meant to say, if doctors prescribe vitamin B, which one as there are various vitamin B and for different symptoms. There are numbers after the letter B. As for statins you mentioned, Greg, I would love to know what your experience or knowledge is about it. I’ve heard much of it, and read that if one had a stroke in life, should never take statins. I challenged doctors on this, and they say it’s supposed to avoid strokes, yet my mum who was doing so well had her prescription changed from 3 medications to 6 medications, with a different cholesterol statin medicine, ended up with a huge stroke, half paralysed, unable to talk drink or eat, 8 days later r.i.p. Another time they changed her medication, it gave her pains in the chest, headaches and dizziness. I can’t remember the name of it now, but I checked it out online, and was banned in the USA, with class action law suites. This cholesterol medication caused premature death. Big issue about statins here. So I told her to stop taking it and go back to old medication. She said it cost her $120 and was a new one from the USA. I was stunned at the campaign for it. She did stop taking it and her pain and dizziness stopped. We must have an approach to look into everything we are going to put into our humanly bodies and it’s probable effects. Your body tells you, we need to listen to it more.

I have no medical training whatsoever, and this is only my personal opinion, but I would never take a statin again.

The side effects were horrible - aches and pains, tiredness, cramps, diarrhea, blurred vision, etc.

And, they did very little in the way of lowering my cholesterol.

I ended up getting a coronary calcium score done, which turned out to be zero (the best score you can get).

When I went for a second opinion I was told that it's madness for someone with such a low coronary calcium score to be taking statins.

Doctors love to push them though, as they get kickbacks from the drug companies.

HOWEVER, for some people they can be beneficial, so don't do anything based on my opinion.

Seek professional advice, and then get a 2nd and 3rd opinion.

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 12:09pm:

Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. And the fact a 4-6 year medical course only covers vitamins in a paltry 45 mins during that whole course is definitely not studying it properly. Prevention is better than cure. In this case, I will stay on my course of vitamins AND minerals, and I have avoided prescriptions. No answer to my question about vitamin B17? And it’s benefits? Ask your medical doctor, he won’t know either. Have a look at the pie chart Pharmaceutical companies own the vitamin companies so it is linked to big Pharma.... i.e. Bayer, Pfizer Even Amway is still in there ... & we know they are crooks. you didn't dig deep enough. :P

Yet never allow doctors to prescribe that range? Except for vitamin D and holding onto those companies for further allowable proscriptions, or to hold a monopoly on people for money again.
It’s a case of big fish eat little fish, and buying out those particular vitamin companies. For what reason you think?
I never buy any vitamins from those companies, thank goodness.
What I purchase is something a big pharmaceutical company in the USA went to buy out for $1billion to shelve this product.
But these scientists didn’t accept it.
So that’s how the pharmaceutical companies do their dirty work behind the scenes. Did you know that? Monopolising control, who knows what they will do once they have holdings on all the vitamin companies? Start to disappear off shelves?
Bet they would do that with garlic too!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 12:15pm:

Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 12:02pm: Meant to say, if doctors prescribe vitamin B, which one as there are various vitamin B and for different symptoms. There are numbers after the letter B. As for statins you mentioned, Greg, I would love to know what your experience or knowledge is about it. I’ve heard much of it, and read that if one had a stroke in life, should never take statins. I challenged doctors on this, and they say it’s supposed to avoid strokes, yet my mum who was doing so well had her prescription changed from 3 medications to 6 medications, with a different cholesterol statin medicine, ended up with a huge stroke, half paralysed, unable to talk drink or eat, 8 days later r.i.p. Another time they changed her medication, it gave her pains in the chest, headaches and dizziness. I can’t remember the name of it now, but I checked it out online, and was banned in the USA, with class action law suites. This cholesterol medication caused premature death. Big issue about statins here. So I told her to stop taking it and go back to old medication. She said it cost her $120 and was a new one from the USA. I was stunned at the campaign for it. She did stop taking it and her pain and dizziness stopped. We must have an approach to look into everything we are going to put into our humanly bodies and it’s probable effects. Your body tells you, we need to listen to it more. I have no medical training whatsoever, and this is only my personal opinion, but I would never take a statin again. The side effects were horrible - aches and pains, tiredness, cramps, diarrhea, blurred vision, etc. And, they did very little in the way of lowering my cholesterol. I ended up getting a coronary calcium score done, which turned out to be zero (the best score you can get). When I went for a second opinion I was told that it's madness for someone with such a low coronary calcium score to be taking statins. Doctors love to push them though, as they get kickbacks from the drug companies. HOWEVER, for some people they can be beneficial, so don't do anything based on my opinion. Seek professional advice, and then get a 2nd and 3rd opinion.

Thank you and well said.

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 12:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 12:09pm: Sophia wrote on Jul 2nd, 2020 at 11:02am: If it’s a vitamin company making money that bothers you, then what the pharmaceutical company make should really bother you eh? Making money from over prescriptions and let’s face it, doctors are not allowed to recommend vitamins, because it’s not linked to the big pharma. And the fact a 4-6 year medical course only covers vitamins in a paltry 45 mins during that whole course is definitely not studying it properly. Prevention is better than cure. In this case, I will stay on my course of vitamins AND minerals, and I have avoided prescriptions. No answer to my question about vitamin B17? And it’s benefits? Ask your medical doctor, he won’t know either. Have a look at the pie chart Pharmaceutical companies own the vitamin companies so it is linked to big Pharma.... i.e. Bayer, Pfizer Even Amway is still in there ... & we know they are crooks. you didn't dig deep enough. :P Yet never allow doctors to prescribe that range? Except for vitamin D and holding onto those companies for further allowable proscriptions, or to hold a monopoly on people for money again. It’s a case of big fish eat little fish, and buying out those particular vitamin companies. For what reason you think? I never buy any vitamins from those companies, thank goodness. What I purchase is something a big pharmaceutical company in the USA went to buy out for $1billion to shelve this product. But these scientists didn’t accept it. So that’s how the pharmaceutical companies do their dirty work behind the scenes. Did you know that? Monopolising control, who knows what they will do once they have holdings on all the vitamin companies? Start to disappear off shelves? Bet they would do that with garlic too!

Yes I know..... that's what Newscorp have done with all the regional papers.

They can't touch garlic it's a bulb vegetable food.

Farmers in Europe have to keep buying bags of seed from big Companies which genetically modify the seed not to 'reproduce' for a next crop. Each harvest, the Farmers have to buy new bags of Seed at high cost.
Trade Wars? It's businesses ripping off businesses out there. Nations ripping off Nations.

300 new cases on Friday. I see a lot of people denying that the protestors spread the virus. They are the same people denying that Victoria is in a second wave, which forced them to come up with a new term - surge. And they are also saying they are having trouble keeping track of all the contact tracing. I have not seen anything to suggest they would even know if the protest was the source. All the new cases must have come from somewhere. It doesn't just spontaneously appear at a family gathering.


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Farmers in Europe have to keep buying bags of seed from big Companies which genetically modify the seed not to 'reproduce' for a next crop. Each harvest, the Farmers have to buy new bags of Seed at high cost.

They don't have to. They choose to.


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So that’s how the pharmaceutical companies do their dirty work behind the scenes. Did you know that? Monopolising control, who knows what they will do once they have holdings on all the vitamin companies? Start to disappear off shelves?

It's generally the make-up companies, not the pharmaceuticals companies. They tend to lean in one direction or the other.


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Doctors love to push them though, as they get kickbacks from the drug companies.

I don't think they are allowed to. The best they can get is free drug samples and a junket.

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 7:46am:

300 new cases on Friday. I see a lot of people denying that the protestors spread the virus. They are the same people denying that Victoria is in a second wave, which forced them to come up with a new term - surge. And they are also saying they are having trouble keeping track of all the contact tracing. I have not seen anything to suggest they would even know if the protest was the source. All the new cases must have come from somewhere. It doesn't just spontaneously appear at a family gathering.

The onus of proof is on you
Do you have any evidence that the virus was spread at the rally?
Your hypocrisy is also noted that you defended beach goers but you blame protesters, you can't have it both ways
We already know that the source of the Melbourne outbreak was the security guards

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The onus of proof is on you

Why?

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 12:32pm:

Quote: The onus of proof is on you Why?

Because you are the one making the claim that the protesters spread the virus.

Can you quote me?

Yes they spread it only an idiot would deny it.

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yes.

It has been admitted 3 of the selfloathers illegally gathering in melbourne had it.

3 months wasted because the SJWs just had to think what happened on the other side of the world was more important than keeping fellow Australians safe.

Setanta wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 7:49pm:

3 months wasted because the SJWs just had to think what happened on the other side of the world was more important than keeping fellow Australians safe.

From what I've seen it's got more to do with security guards dining and screwing people they're supposed to be guarding than BLM protestors

You mean from what you have been told, right? By the politicians who allowed the protest and then told us Victoria was not in a second wave?

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2020 at 8:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 7:49pm: 3 months wasted because the SJWs just had to think what happened on the other side of the world was more important than keeping fellow Australians safe. From what I've seen it's got more to do with security guards dining and screwing people they're supposed to be guarding than BLM protestors

I doubt the guards screwed as many as the BLM protestors did.

Quarantine started 28th march in Vic the numbers dropped for 10 weeks which includes the more than 100 cases from Cedar Meats before an explosion of numbers 2 weeks after BLM protests.

Since the BLM idiots include people who weren't killed by police we can say this is what they're protesting about.

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This outbreak happened 14 days after muslims all got together to 'celebrate'  the end of ramadan

There we have it.... hence the investigations in place. Just a matter of time to connect where, how and when.
Still more investigations underway.


Black Lives Matter rally linked to public housing towers outbreak

https://apple.news/AE1dmyzloESQL-xfsQp9wBqqA

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 14^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 8:18pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 7:49pm: 3 months wasted because the SJWs just had to think what happened on the other side of the world was more important than keeping fellow Australians safe. From what I've seen it's got more to do with security guards dining and screwing people they're supposed to be guarding than BLM protestors I doubt the guards screwed as many as the BLM protestors did. Quarantine started 28th march in Vic the numbers dropped for 10 weeks which includes the more than 100 cases from Cedar Meats before an explosion of numbers 2 weeks after BLM protests. Since the BLM idiots include people who weren't killed by police we can say this is what they're protesting about.

No thats not what they are protesting about. What they are protesting is blacks killed by police

Spot

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 14^th, 2020 at 10:20pm:

This outbreak happened 14 days after muslims all got together to 'celebrate'  the end of ramadan

What did you do to celebrate, Sprint?

I'm curious.

Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD just over a month ago, and the cluster of at least 242 cases in public housing towers in the city’s inner northwest.

More stupidity from the fake news in the US.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:

More stupidity from the fake news in the US.

I guess you have the evidence to show this is fake? Or is it just the vibe

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Victorian health officials have refuted claims there is a link between the Black Lives Matter protest and a coronavirus outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers. The Australian reported on Tuesday authorities that two people who attended the protests more than a month ago were part of the cluster. However, in a statement to 7NEWS.com.au, the Department of Health and Human Services said there was no evidence linking the two. “We are aware of six confirmed cases who attended the Black Lives Matter protest. Currently there is no evidence to suggest they acquired the virus from the protest,” a spokesperson said. https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

So it's only the right wing media that is reporting a "link" and I suspect that "link" is just clickbait for their target demographic

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2020 at 6:11pm:

The big BLM protests were on June 6. It typically takes about 5 days or more for an infected person to show symptoms. This is the daily number of new cases in Australia from June 6 to yesterday: 4 5 5 2 9 9 5 12 18

1. outdoor gatherings are generally accepted as being low-risk for spreading the virus (and besides the participants did make some attempt to adhere to social distancing)

2. its pretty much confirmed by now that the spread was caused by incompetent security guards breaking quarantine rules at quarantine centres.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2020 at 11:56am:

Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD just over a month ago, and the cluster of at least 242 cases in public housing towers in the city’s inner northwest.

The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag:


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Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers. Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below:


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The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date.

https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-outbreak/4057225/

So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection.

This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can.

But it's very important for all the white sychophants to get together to protest about a fake issue.

Less blacks than whites die in custody.
More blacks die by their own hands or their own people and by whites.
The only persecution blacks have in Australia is when they are asked to actually ....WORK
Which is the same thing as asking a white person to murder their family.

After much research,
I find that the darker the skin, the more predisposed to Lazyness.
No matter what country you look in, the blacks generally represent, as a percentage of their population, abnormally high unemployment.
Additionally, this is usually coupled with a high propensity to crime, do say is violence,  violent behaviour and stupidity.

Pick any country and prove otherwise?

You can't.

Adversely, whites are more likely to be employed
Have a considerably lower, by percentage of population, Unemployment.

Whites also have more legally o trained money, homes and property.
All EARNED through hard work and sensible spending.

This is known as WHITE PREVILEDGE  .

Blacks have a lazy gene
Whites generally don't have that gene, unless mixed with black.

Simple.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 11:56am: Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD just over a month ago, and the cluster of at least 242 cases in public housing towers in the city’s inner northwest. The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag: Quote: Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers. Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports. So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below: [quote]The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date.

https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-outbreak/4057225/

So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection.

This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can. [/quote]
Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

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Valkie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 12:52pm:

But it's very important for all the white sychophants to get together to protest about a fake issue. Less blacks than whites die in custody. More blacks die by their own hands or their own people and by whites. The only persecution blacks have in Australia is when they are asked to actually ....WORK Which is the same thing as asking a white person to murder their family. After much research, I find that the darker the skin, the more predisposed to Lazyness. No matter what country you look in, the blacks generally represent, as a percentage of their population, abnormally high unemployment. Additionally, this is usually coupled with a high propensity to crime, do say is violence,  violent behaviour and stupidity. Pick any country and prove otherwise? You can't. Adversely, whites are more likely to be employed Have a considerably lower, by percentage of population, Unemployment. Whites also have more legally o trained money, homes and property. All EARNED through hard work and sensible spending. This is known as WHITE PREVILEDGE  . Blacks have a lazy gene Whites generally don't have that gene, unless mixed with black. Simple.

But what about Tiger Woods and Obama?

Mixing genes with black and white made stronger, smarter progeny.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 1:08pm:

Valkie wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 12:52pm: But it's very important for all the white sychophants to get together to protest about a fake issue. Less blacks than whites die in custody. More blacks die by their own hands or their own people and by whites. The only persecution blacks have in Australia is when they are asked to actually ....WORK Which is the same thing as asking a white person to murder their family. After much research, I find that the darker the skin, the more predisposed to Lazyness. No matter what country you look in, the blacks generally represent, as a percentage of their population, abnormally high unemployment. Additionally, this is usually coupled with a high propensity to crime, do say is violence,  violent behaviour and stupidity. Pick any country and prove otherwise? You can't. Adversely, whites are more likely to be employed Have a considerably lower, by percentage of population, Unemployment. Whites also have more legally o trained money, homes and property. All EARNED through hard work and sensible spending. This is known as WHITE PREVILEDGE  . Blacks have a lazy gene Whites generally don't have that gene, unless mixed with black. Simple. But what about Tiger Woods and Obama? Mixing genes with black and white made stronger, smarter progeny.

Yes, but there is still that lazy gene.

What politician ever did a hard day's WORK?

Tiger woods, playing golf, that's relaxation to a white.

Most American black rich are usually sports people, good at running, from running from crimes.

But again, very few had done any real work.

In the 47 years I have worked, I have seen perhaps a handful of black workers.
Of them a small percentage would actually last a few months or a year or two.

Yep black gene, lazy

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Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

and no doubt security guards literally sleeping with infected patients and taking them out to restaurants has nuffin to do with nuffin right?

Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.

;D ;D ;D ;D


won't that make his day :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 11:56am: Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD just over a month ago, and the cluster of at least 242 cases in public housing towers in the city’s inner northwest. The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag: Quote: Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers. Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports. So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below: [quote]The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date.

https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-outbreak/4057225/

So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection.

This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can. [/quote]

They have been closing beaches for months, even when people stay well clear of each other. But now we suddenly need evidence that outdoor gatherings can spread the virus?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Quote: Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. and no doubt security guards literally sleeping with infected patients and taking them out to restaurants has nuffin to do with nuffin right? Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.

None of those cut price 'security guards' were white Europeans - no Danes, English, Americans, Canadians, Swedes, Germans.

Thirdy worldy Arabs, Islanders, Pakis - people who could not get anything better because they have no language and no skills.  Make a mental note as you walk around shopping centres, banks, etc where security guards are employed. No whites. Anywhere.  Same with the airport security screeners - since 9/11 they have become ALL Arabs or other NESB tinted. you NEVER see a dinky-di Australian at security except in regional airports. In Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane etc - all bearded Arabs and other foreigners.


Come on, do your victim impersonation, as you always do.  Australia took Muslims in just to make them victims. And Muslims keep wanting to come because they don;t know nuffin'.  Go on, that's your schtik.


You are as incoherent as Paki, Bwian and all the other 'professors of diversity'.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 5:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:37am: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2020 at 11:56am: Victorian health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD just over a month ago, and the cluster of at least 242 cases in public housing towers in the city’s inner northwest. The Smear-stralian is obviously pay-walled, but this from another Murdoch rag: Quote: Two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne's public housing towers. Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports. So this is what they mean by "link" - which is clarified a few paragraphs below: [quote]The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state's largest cluster to date. https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/black-lives-matter-rally-linked-to-towers-outbreak/4057225/ So by "link", all they mean is that at least 2 people (out of 10 thousand) who attended the protest were infected at the time - but with no evidence whatsoever that attending the protest caused more spreading of the infection. This is the modus operandi of the Murdoch propaganda - to highlight something ambiguous that they know can and will be misconstrued in a particular way - and de-emphasise the actual truth as much as they can.

They have been closing beaches for months, even when people stay well clear of each other. But now we suddenly need evidence that outdoor gatherings can spread the virus?[/quote]

Your logic does not follow FD.

Keeping in mind we are not arguing whether or not the protest (or going to the beach) was a good idea.

What logic is that Gandalf? What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy? They actually closed a pier to fishing in Victoria a few days after the protest, citing failure to follow social distancing guidelines as justification. As with all the beach closures, the articles about it included photos of people clearly maintaining their distance from each other, pretty much the opposite of the protestors. This was followed shortly after by reassurances that the protestors did not spread the virus, without any explanation of how they came to that conclusion, followed shortly after by reassurances that Victoria was not having a second wave.

We are not having a second wave, it’s a frigging tsunami!

If after this weekend the daily figures and deaths don’t improve, say hello to stage four and goodbye to what little freedom we had with stage three!!

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 1:29pm:

Quote: Yeah, large gatherings during a pandemic have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. and no doubt security guards literally sleeping with infected patients and taking them out to restaurants has nuffin to do with nuffin right? Don't worry frank, it may well emerge that the negligent security guards were black or muslim or BLM activists - then it will be safe for you to focus your rage on that.

Emerge??

It's evident.  Since airport checks have been introduced because of Muslim terrorism, almost all the people checking you at airports are... er... bearded and hijabi Muslims.

it's ludicrous.


The sons of Mohammed have been saying that COVID affects only the infidels because they don't pee like Mohammed said. So they have been ignoring all that 'inglis'  colonial guff about social distancing and have gathered, instead, for large Eid celebrations.

NESBy efnic ijits with extra religious chip/stupidity = 'Muslim communities'.  Even Dr Rifi is despairing. (Largely because he does speak English and when you do, the stupidity of the 'efnic community' is startling.)


"Dr Rifi believes some linguistically diverse communities in Sydney are missing out on crucial health messaging, ­social-distancing instructions and updates on the COVID-19 health guidelines."

And of course it's the governments' responsibility to get through to the thick, NESBy numbskulls. THEY have zero responsibility to actually learn the language and to fit in. No - it's the wacist, Islamophobic Australian society's responsibility to hold down the Musselmans, open their thick skulls and pour reason into them.

There is simply NUFFIN' you can expect from Muslims who came here. Assimilate? Integrate? Nooooo!!!!!  It's everyone else's responsibility to get you fvkers see reason (something you have resisted for 1400 years and will certainly not start now). i

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2020 at 7:36pm:

Since airport checks have been introduced because of Muslim terrorism, almost all the people checking you at airports are... er... bearded and hijabi Muslims. it's ludicrous.

more bullsh1t.  Do you see muslims in your sleep to?

I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus. But nothing about them spreading it among 40,000. How many protesters had the virus 2 weeks later from the protests?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 8:57am:

I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus. But nothing about them spreading it among 40,000. How many protesters had the virus 2 weeks later from the protests?

Thats because groups of people moving around in the outdoors don't spread viruses
freediver accepted this when he argued passionately that beach goers aren't spreading the virus. For some reason he has completely changed his position when it comes to the BLM protests.

For the record, I supported freediver in his argument that beach goers weren't spreading the virus

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For some reason he has completely changed his position

No I haven't. You are just telling different lies about what I said.


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I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus.

The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8525221/Health-officials-confirm-six-Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-Melbourne-tested-positive-COVID-19.html

At least six protesters who attended a recent Black Lives Matter rally in Melbourne have since tested positive to coronavirus, health officials have confirmed. 

But the department has refuted claims the June 6 protest is linked to an outbreak cluster in Melbourne's public housing towers, which has contributed to a second wave of new infections.

The Department of Health and Human Services previously said four people who attended the 10,000-strong rally last month had tested positive. 

The department has since clarified the figure after it was revealed two protesters were part of the public housing tower cluster where at least 242 cases have been recorded.

And that is just the ones they are aware of. There is a very long list of 'unknown' sources, and I think even the BLM protestors are smart enough to figure out it is a bad look for the movement if they admit to going after testing positive.

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 7:17pm:

What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy?

Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy. The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus. Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any, and no, finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence.

So by all means, point out the hypocricy and the stupidity of having outdoor gatherings - I'll be there cheering you on. But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 11:07am:

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm: What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy? Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy. The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus. Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any, and no, finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence. So by all means, point out the hypocricy and the stupidity of having outdoor gatherings - I'll be there cheering you on. But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.

These marches were the BIGGEST outdoor gatherings in recent months.

All other gatherings of much smaller numbers are attracting fines and a stern talking-to. People are told to keep at least 1.5 away from each other, etc. What IS the point of these restrictions if ten thousand people on the street for BLM has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin'. Coz the woke media said so and the Murdoch Press didn't go along wiv that - that's seems a really strong point in your mind. Coz being a BLM protester is a magic vaccine. Just like you can't get infected if you are a Muslim at a massive Eid celebration.

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 1:42pm:

The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave.

;D ;D ;D ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 11:07am:

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:17pm: What is the issue with me pointing out this hypocrisy? Nothing. Its just not what this thread started out as. You orginally seemed to want to somehow prove that the protests spread the virus, not point out any hypocricy.

I believe it started out as a question.


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The problem of course is that there is no actual evidence that the protests spread the virus.

The government controls the evidence. There is no transparency in what they do with it. The government has a clear vested interest in misrepresenting it - for example in claiming that there is no second wave, when there clearly is, and also they do not want to blame the second wave on an event they condoned, against all common sense.


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Not even the best efforts of Murdoch propaganda could find any

I posted some here. Not sure if it made it into the murdock press, but I expect they all reported the same thing.


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finding two infected people who attended the protest and dishonestly trumpeting this as a "link" to the spread, is not evidence.

Only two eh?


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But I was responding specifically to the clear insinuation in the OP plus the blatant dishonesty of News Ltd which someone brought up to try and "prove" that the protest spread the virus.

What blatant dishonesty?

Victoria Police’s decision not to issue fines to 10,000 people who attended the June 6 Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne’s CBD may have been unlawful, according to legal advice prepared by leading workplace relations QC Stuart Wood.
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“For Victoria Police to … make a general policy decision not to enforce the directions against a certain group of people at a certain time is to effectively refuse to give the assistance requested (to enforce public health directions under the act),” Mr Wood found.

“To simply decide not to enforce the directions against any protester had the practical consequence that (unlike every other Victorian everywhere else in the state), the directions did not apply to those people.”

IPA research fellow Morgan Begg called for the terms of reference of Victoria‘s judicial inquiry into the bungling of its hotel quarantine system to be broadened to include the police and Andrews government’s handling of the protest.
“The legal advice notes the potentially unlawful decision may even expose Victoria Police — and therefore the state’s taxpayers — to civil claims that will add to the enormous cost of the government’s inept pandemic response,” Mr Begg said.
“Thousands of protesters were allowed to take to the streets in an environment in which all other Victorians lived under the strict rules against public gatherings of more than 20 people.
“The state government’s response to the protest highlighted the mismanagement and arbitrary decision-making that has characterised the entire pandemic response.”

On the day of the protest there were 71 known active cases of coronavirus in Victoria, 14 of which had at that stage been linked to breaches in hotel quarantine, and the majority of which were in quarantined overseas travellers.

On Tuesday, Victoria‘s tally of known active cases reached 3147.

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 5:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 1:42pm: The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave. ;D ;D ;D ;D

While the department says only one of the six was likely to have been infectious at the protest and there is “no evidence to suggest” any of them acquired the virus there, it has also refused to say whether a source of acquisition has been identified for the cases or explain why the possibility they caught it at the protest has been ruled out.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 19^th, 2020 at 10:46am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 8:57am: I have not heard of any sources stating that the current virus spread was sourced from the protesters in BLM. I have heard that 2 or 3 protesters had the virus. But nothing about them spreading it among 40,000. How many protesters had the virus 2 weeks later from the protests? Thats because groups of people moving around in the outdoors don't spread viruses freediver accepted this when he argued passionately that beach goers aren't spreading the virus. For some reason he has completely changed his position when it comes to the BLM protests. For the record, I supported freediver in his argument that beach goers weren't spreading the virus

You seem to be missing freediver's point of view about the differences between going to the beach and walking among other protesters. Perhaps it is because I only see beaches of Yeppoon and Emu Park that I don't consider beaches to be overcrowded. But you are in closer contact with people who are protesting the same thing you are doing, that becomes the problem. Protesters are usually in close contact because it gives the idea of "strength in numbers" to improve their message's impact. That is why protests during a pandemic is considered a bad idea.

Of course the BLM idiots spread the Kung Flu only idiots would deny it.

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Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2020 at 6:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2020 at 5:06pm: freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 1:42pm: The Victorian government is trying to keep people in the dark on this, because they did nothing to stop the protest, instead focusing on preventing people going fishing and reassuring everyone there is no second wave. ;D ;D ;D ;D While the department says only one of the six was likely to have been infectious at the protest and there is “no evidence to suggest” any of them acquired the virus there, it has also refused to say whether a source of acquisition has been identified for the cases or explain why the possibility they caught it at the protest has been ruled out.

;D ;D ;D ;D

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Thank you Gino, we see you.

It's pretty damn obvious that the Black Lies Morons rally was an incubator for CV.

But the grubberment and their lapdog, the media will never admit it.

Mass protests by "always" ever vocal and worthless groups are an ideal way to spread disease.

Disease of the mind as well as the body.

A logarithmic decline in IQ is noted at these rally.

The higher the number, the lower the collective IQ.

I believe that any attending the Black Lies Morons rally

Should be immediately incarcerated in secure facility, fed their staple diet of KFC and Pizza.

And left for 4 weeks to ensure the virus is dead.
This is started again every time a new case is found, so it could be a very long incarceration indeed.

There will be little or no impact on industry (except the abbo industry of course)

And the crime rate will drop drastically.

Oh, and as it's self inflicted, no treatment for any who get the virus.